Why do so many white folk believe that Jesus came back to America?

Why do so many people believe in Jesus at all?

>>139411806
Book of Mormon is a complete hoax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1sO5vJfNWs

>>139412061
If you argue specifics, they just tell you to not take it so literally. But they still follow the rules.

Really activates my almonds.

>>139412146
>entirety of abrahamic religions are a complete hoax

FTFY

Mormons are an insult to door-to-door salesmen.

White people believe in many stupid things
Jesus
Human rights
Equality

I care more about behaviors than beliefs. And Mormons are nice, hard-working people, who don't commit crime. More than I can say about the average miscellaneous shitskin in this god-forsaken land.

>>139412146
lmao this fuckin schizo whiteboi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Dk91TLmgw

He sounds like he's on so many antipsychotics he can't string a sentence together.

>>139412277
The difference is that the Bible (both OT and NT) have some historical credibility to them, i.e. archaeology backs up shit written about in the Book of Kings. The BoM has nothing backing it up. There were no horses, sheep, goats, elephants, barley, wheat, chariots, or complex writing system in North America before Columbus.

>>139412380
Word. Outside of any literal proof of a religion, the best thing you can do is judge it by their members. Mormons are hands down the best/nicest/most honest religious/non-religious people you'll ever meet.

>>139412755
>no horses before Columbus
that's new to me

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Why do Athiests always sperg out when religion is mentioned?

>>139412755
Right and the glaring historical inaccuracies (the entire book of exodus, for example) are just kind of things we gloss over and are OK with.

What level of inaccuracy is OK for a religion? I mean it is the word of god, after all.

>>139412961
It's against their religion.

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>>139412961
didnt come here for this

>>139412961
>mole
4/10 would not bang

>>139412961
Why do white people call others spergs for not believing Jesus came to America?

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>>139411806
Coz Murica is the chosen land, obviously.

>>139412845
It's accurate. The arrival of horses in America actually generate some interesting social changes for various Native American tribes that don't mean shit anymore.

>>139412146
That could have been a 30 second video.
>The Book of Mormon claims there are all these animals, plants, and writing in America when there weren't at the time. Every battle mentioned in the Bible has archaeological evidence. Not a single battle in the Book of Mormon has any evidence.

Mormons produce homogeneous, high IQ, high moral, white communities.

they can believe whatever the fuck they want, as long as they keep poping out white babies by the dozen.

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>>139411806
Those retards Mormons actually believe that some fucking guy found golden plates with written ancient wisdom or some shit and that God lead him to them. You have to be complete idiot to buy that shit.

>>139411806
Mormons are retarded cultists

only (((mormons))) believe that

they are a cult that is failing

>>139412380

this is huge really. if you grew up around Mormons they aren't all chipper and hard working mind you, and they cam give off a cult like outsider mindset when talking with those outside of their faith, but it could be worse.


and really, if you can believe Jesus turned water into wine then why couldn't he pop over to the americas?

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>>139412755
Dr. Seuss books have some level of historic credibility too. I mean Mulberry Street is an actual street in Springfield, Massachusetts. That's the street it's named for. So the elephant-drawn band in the book must be real too.

>>139413571
morons fucking suck and will be the downfall of america, along with their jewish pals
>homogeneous
uhh no
you get 2 white brides and 2 fat samoan/spic brides
that is not homogeneous

>high iq
if the average white is 110, morons are 100-105

>high moral
leelelelelelelel that is like saying jews are moral and stand for something lelelelelel

>white communities
have you seen all the trash the moron globalists like mitt are importing? it is just to fill mitt's bank account with trash labor and mormie tithe money
morons fucking suck and will be the downfall of america, along with their jewish pals

>>139413059

What historical inaccuracies are you talking about?

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>>139411806

>>139411806
john smith dumbshit

>>139412146
drink 2 beers and start reading it

it's fucking h i l a r i o u s

then you remember there are actually a lot of retarded whites that believe it, or something. and that is fucking s a d

>>139415050
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-major-historical-errors-in-the-Bible

You've never even googled this before.

>>139415269

I'm clicking any links. Use your words.

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>tfw Mormons are the only hope for the white race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

>>139411806
> back
Was Jesus originally from America and came back? What do you mean by "back"?

Yes, it's an America-centric religion. The Garden of Eden was in Missouri, according to them. If we're going to pick arbitrary holy lands, just about any spot in North America is going to be better than Jerusalem or fucking Mecca.

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>>139411806

Mormonism is literally a masonic plot.

>>139412290
real salesman don't need a moron mafia strolling our neighborhoods to intimidate people into a sale on a front porch...

i fucking hate morons. such a waste of life they are.

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>>139415385
Oy vey! Look at that terrible display of white supremacy, bigotry, and toxic masculinity!

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Ex Mormon here.
I wish I could forget what I learned about their creepy cult temple rituals and go back to being part of a friendly peaceful white community. But nooooooo my mother had to go digging and take all our names off the list.

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>>139415050
here are thousands of inconsistencies in a user-friendly, visual format. i fully expect you to completely ignore this source that blows you the fuck out

http://bibviz.com/

>>139415331
the reply box does not support enough characters to list the thousands of documented inconsistencies in the bible.

see:
>>139415717

>>139415616
What would you estimate the value of the Mormon underwear industry to be?

Is it true that Mitt Romney's first allegiance would be to the LDS church, above all else?

>>139413556
He likes to ramble. I think he said in an old video on his previous channel that he has some kind of depression and/or a brain tumor.

>>139411806
What i dont get about mormonism is that their prophet joseph smith is named about Joseph. When has their been a prophet that had the same name as another prophet?

>>139415331
>readily available information beyond the threshold of this link is too much for me to handle, instead I should expect this person to distillate the information for my retarded white brain with calcified pineal gland to understand

how about
>no evidence of a global flood, the entire noah's ark arc
>no jewish slaves in egypt (c'mon faggot)
>many claims of miracles and divine happenings not backed up by any other sources (matthew 27:52)

I can keep going but you'll just say that that doesn't count or it's a technicality, or that it's not meant to be taken literally.

>>139415578
Damn. Imagine fucking the president's daughter. That would be lewd.

>>139412380
>who don't commit crime
LMA0000000

here is just the tip of the iceberg
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/02/Former-FBI-agent-testifies-of-bureaus-alleged-Mormon-Mafia/1171497073600/

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-10-13/news/8502140449_1_fbi-agent-soviet-counterintelligence-squad-mormon

fuck morons out here

seriously fuck you evan and all you cuckkboii faggots sitting in a basement in sandy, utah reading this. you all work and serve the devil.

run away

fuck morons

>>139416094
if he dismisses my link out-of-hand then into the filter he goes since he's either a troll of implacable skeptic

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>>139411806

>>139415717

I already said I'm not clicking any links because I'm interested in actually talking about them. I could just give a few links or suggest a few books that systematically addresses these supposed errors and contradictions but that wouldn't be interesting and it's not conducive to conversation.

>>139416094

I've been studying the bible for the past year, so I'm aware of these supposed errors. The point is I can't talk to a website. Are you actually interested in hearing how some of these errors can be reconciled?

>>139413059
I never said the Bible was entirely legit, only that some of the things mentioned it in can be backed up by history, others can't.

>>139412380
>>139412826
>nice hardworking people.
The whole niceness thing is just an act to get you to join the religion easier.
>t. ex mormon

>>139412826
to your face. to your exterior.

you must not know much about how they operate as soon as you turn your back.

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>>139413816

C U L T I N D O C T R I N A T I O N

It can happen TO YOU!

>>139411806
>narcissistic
>we were made in the image of god
Narcissism is quite central in cucktrianity.

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>>139411806
>go to hotel
>take Bible out of nightstand
>it's written in American

I remember when I was a teenager I was walking my dog and some Mormons stopped me to talk about their book. Weird people to say the least. They told me they were Americans on mission in my area of Canada. They let me keep their book, and I never knew what to do with it. Also, yes they were white.

>>139416279
>I've been studying talking points that go around the subject of biblical literalism because it suits my fancy

How about you start by giving some reasons you don't believe in, say, Noah's ark?

>>139411806
I don't know but America needs to sort them the fuck out. I moved to a new area recently, didn't realise I am now living 10 minutes walk away from a huge Mormon church. They're fucking nuts, they're constantly coming and knocking on my door, always stood around town trying to pass out their dumb leaflets. America, sort them out, I've had enough of this shit.

>>139411806
How is that narcissistic? Jesus Christ will go to whoever He will. It's not up to us.

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>>139416279
>I already said I'm not clicking any links
implacable skeptic. provides 0 sources when confronted with evidence against his claim and refuses to even look at said evidence. filtered.

>>139414626
>why couldn't he pop over to the americas?
oh shutttt uppppp man

book of moron is pure fake garbage- it isn't even up for debate because the debate would be a waste of time

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>>139415717
Nice circular arguments.

Christian: miracles occurred in history, therefore Christianity is true.

Atheist: miracles can't occur.

Christian: no shit, that's why they're miracles

Atheist: see, you're all dummy dums!

>>139415385
all the men are fluffballs with iqs lower than your average white

>yaaa dudee banging your sister wifes brothers daughter n shittttt yaaa mannn

>>139416872
>not being a pseudo jew is reddit
???
you traitorous "muh this world is not important" faggots will get the bullet too.

>>139416324
>>139416341
I'd rather have a bunch of fake nice interactions than have to deal with authentic assholes.

>>139416569

Well I don't know if it's true or not, at the very least it's written in a way to suggest an epic narrative or myth that is playing up to local legend. We are not limited to saying that every story in the bible is either literal history or poetic fictions. They could instead be nonliteral accounts of actual historical events. Think about how a parent might explain to his child that babies "come from a seed daddies give to mommys that grow inside the mommys tummy." That's a true explanation, but it shouldn't be taken literally since it was accomodated for a childs level of understanding. Likewise, the stories in genesis are true but consist of nonliteral language that comes down (or condescends) to the level of understanding found in the audience that first heard these stories.

We shouldn't assume the author of Genesis was asserting that a worldwide flood took place. Modern readers may interpret passages in Genesis that describe water covering "the earth" as meaning the entire planet was inundated. But a resident of ancient Mesopotamia may have only understood "the earth" to mean "the land" or the region he knew. In fact, the Hebrew word for "earth" in this passage, eretz, can also mean "land," as in Genesis 41:57, where it says that "all the eretz came to Egypt to buy grain" when a famine struck the region. Of course, this doesn't mean that everyone on the planet went to Egypt to buy grain, just those people who inhabited the region the author was referring to went there.

>>139415385
this is honestly gross

it's like they don't know how to raise a family themselves so they let mitt fuck their wives for them

then give all their money to mitt

creepy shit

like...

most patriarchs have a photo with them in the middle like the hatfield clan 1897 photo. that was a real family

this moron shit is disgusting weird inbred incest shit and looks staged and fake, like their beliefs

>>139415616
>creepy cult temple rituals
Go on...

>>139412061
>Kekistan flag
Fuck off

>>139416569
>>139417330

The Author of Genesis may also have used popular storytelling devices found in other flood narratives in order to show how the God of the Israelites was superior to pagan deities. For example, in the Epic of Gilgamesh the gods are afraid of the flood and flee to higher ground, but in Genesis God is in complete control of the disaster and is unaffected by it.

The Epic of Gilgamesh also seems to have been derived from an even older story called the Epic of Atrahasis. In this story, a pantheon of gods flood the earth because human beings had become too huberous and noisy. The author of the Genesis account may even have been purposefully subverting this anti-life attitude in his own narrative in which God commands that Adam and Eve "be fruitful and multiple." God's decision to send the flood in judgment of sin instead of as a population control measure would be a further subversion of this theme.

>>139415017
>if the average white is 110
you wish faggot. the only "white" ethnic group with an iq that high is jews

>>139415556
ya the (((seal))) shit is pure masonic ripoff

joseph smith was an jailed con man though so of course he would create a fake religion for retards in order to bang his friends' daughters' preteen pussy behind a barn

>>139417330
>well I don't know if it's true or not

ladies and gentlemen you're typical schizophrenic cracker.

How have you come to distinguish these fanciful stories from what you consider to be actual events that happened? You are allowed to have an opinion on this.

>>139416216
It's about averages fuckwad. Of course there are going to be a few mormon crime groups out there.

Now compare the amount of crime in mormonland to the amount of crime in chimpland.

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>>139417051
>miracles are true because miracles are true

>>139412755
>There were no horses, sheep, goats, elephants, barley, wheat, chariots, or complex writing system in North America before Columbus.
u cant prove a negative, fuckn tard
i believe theyre are but if they are not, how you know??? answer: you cant.

read the book, and be amazed. unlikw other "holy texts", this one was NEVER TRANSLATED and was written firstly in english. people diss it left n right but you give it a good hard read with an open mind, youll get chills down your spine and recieve the spirit of heavenly father.
i will pray for you

>>139411806
All religions are this way. They are all based on the idea that The Creator has somehow chosen them as special

>>139417667

Uh... well I'll just explain why again

They could instead be nonliteral accounts of actual historical events. Think about how a parent might explain to his child that babies "come from a seed daddies give to mommys that grow inside the mommys tummy." That's a true explanation, but it shouldn't be taken literally since it was accomodated for a childs level of understanding. Likewise, the stories in genesis are true but consist of nonliteral language that comes down (or condescends) to the level of understanding found in the audience that first heard these stories.

>>139415616
Current Mormon here.

I have been through the Temple many times. I doubt you have been. The Temple services are practical - there's nothing creepy about any of it. It is not Masonic. And the lists... yes, that's what happens when people request to leave the Church, but it's not a "Temple list" their names are removed from.

I doubt you were ever Mormon.

>>139417782
No. LDS apologists have the task of proving their holy book true, we don't.

Find me any evidence that any of the flora and fauna mentioned in the BoM existed in pre-Columbian North America.

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Mormons are bro-tier, fuck off faggots. Those Jehovas Witness motherfuckers on the other hand...

>>139417791
Right, now at what point did you are mental illness dictate that "the noah's ark story might be an allegory" to "I actually believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross to absolve me of sin"

Unless of course, you aren't a christian and are just a person who has curiosity about the bible and its stories from an academic perspective, in which case I don't really care for your opinion.

>>139412380
They have a lot of white children too. I'd have no problem with Mormons if they didn't have the biggest retards like Mitt Romney and Egg McMuffin representing them.

>>139417793
>It is not Masonic
BoM plagiarizes from (((kabbalist))) texts via Freemasonry. Even the idea that everyone gets their own planet is a rip-off of a teaching found in the Zohar which states the tzaddikim (righteous ones) all get dominion over other worlds.

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>>139411806
Because, the hope that black will return to Africa, no longer exists

I don't care what they believe.
Every single Mormon I've ever met was nice and had a solid family. They're the perfect neighbors.

>>139416269
Old Testament = Dragon Ball
Bible = Dragon Ball Z
Quran = Dragon Ball GT
Book of Mormon = Dragon Ball Super

>>139418017

This may sound condescending but I'm really not trying to be. Are you aware that the bible contains a variety of books written by a variety of different people for a variety of purposes? The is a library of books. Some of them are epic narratives, some are poetic fictions, some are biographies, and so on. It doesn't follow that because one book of a library is fictional or has fictional elements that every book of the library is fiction. Like any piece of literature, we can examine the genre of a particular scriptural passage and see what kind of message it communicates. When we do that, we find that categorizing Jesus' life or his resurrection as "helpful fictions" does not make sense of the biblical data.

For example the story of Job teaches patience and the story of Jonah teaches obedience, but a fictional story of Jesus dying and coming back to glorious, immortal life would not teach people anything. The nonexistence of Job or Jonah doesn't make these stories any less valuable, but if Christ did not rise then there's no point in being a Christian.

>>139411806
Who gives a shit ? The worst thing these fuckers will do is knock on your door and leave when you ask them to.

>>139415050
He's specifically referring to Exodus, where (((modern historians))) claim the Jews never got expelled from Egypt. Sounds like a bunch of Jews trying to spin one of their dindu nuffin narratives they pull every time they're kicked out.

>>139418548
I am aware. You've dodged the question. Why believe one fanciful story but not another? The story of the resurrection of christ (the single most important aspect of the entire religion) sounds just as stupid and fanciful as the flood, yet it seems to be given a free pass by billions as "yeah no way it was completely made up."

>>139417282
That just makes you a pussy. Enjoy your phonies I guess

>>139417782
You are a retard. Mormonism is demonstratably a fraud. Whatever happened to your papyrus? Especially after we deciphered the Rosetta Stone.

Better yet, where's the gold plates faggot? How come nobody ever saw them?

>>139416571
>I don't know but America needs to sort them the fuck out.

you'll be glad to know they've been plotting against america since the cult's inception about 150 years ago

aren't they just peachy keen gee golly gosh swell!!!?

not

>>139412580
Yeah he's obviously a sketchy guy.

>>139418017
Dude quit being such a faggot. That guy is trying to have a conversation with you. You could probably learn something from him.

>>139411806
Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum

>>139411806
Some burgers unironically believe in Scientology and think they can control matter after spending 60 billion trillion shekels. The psychology behind these kind of things is complex and doesn't give most of the answers. Most of the "belief's" come from socioeconomic benefits they give the person, pure and simple.

>>139412061
Because he existed. Most evidence points to his, at the very least, existence. Now, you can easily dispute the supernatural part of things, but he was indeed a historical figure.

>>139411806
X-tians are stupid, you should of figured this out by now. They are just leeches on society.

>>139417503
>jews
>white

shutttt upppp faggot

you must be in the wrong thread

jews are dumb and inbred like morons, yes they are more intelligent than morons...no they aren't as intelligent as real white men.

suckkittt

>>139411806
why do so many people hate white people and western civilization?

>>139413252
Most white people aren't mormon, jackass.

>>139418873

There's actually a strong historical case to be made for the resurrection. The guarded tomb being found empty, the discovery by women, the post resurrection appearance by hundreds of people, including Christianities biggest persecutor Paul. These are all things that virtually every historian agrees actually happened and I believe the Christian thesis has the greatest explanatory power for these events.

>>139417739
there are more than just a few moron crime groups, fuckwad

your church is the main one.

but you wouldn't know that, fuckwad.

if beating niggers in a crime comparison is the best argument you have, well, you might be a fucking retarded moron

thanks for refuting anything i posted re: the LA FBI moron mafia

it is still around today, supervised by jews and they hire mexis for diversity now

>ama, faggot

>>139412146
Could you post anything more schizophrenic and boring?

God is great,
Beer is good,
Mormons are crazy.

>>139415616
Spill the beans fag. Especially becaise MIDF is here in the form of this guy >>139417793

>>139418873
>Why believe one fanciful story but not another?
Because the Bible is made up of many different books. For example, something like the book of Samson could be more readily discerned as myth, while something like Kings is written more as a history book. Likewise, the New Testament varies between historical accounts of the life of Jesus like the Gospels, as well as letters from Jesus' followers to various churches, and even some crazy shit like Revelation which is supposedly a vision received by John son of Zebedee.

So this is how you can take one story as more or less fanciful than another. Because the Bible isn't one book. It's a collection of over 70 books from different time periods written by different people for different reasons.

>>139417793
lelelelelel your church founders were (((freemasons))) and being the con man dipshits they were they just put some (((freemason))) shieeeet into the new fraud scam religion. how the fuck do you not know that? lmao

have you given your daughter's pussy to mitt yet?

>>139417782

But the Book of Mormon WAS translated by the Prophet Joseph Smith, as stated right in the BoM's own introduction. It was originally inscribed onto metal plates in a strange language, and Joseph Smith used magical stones to translate and then dictate it into English.

A few weeks ago, I had a talk with some Mormon missionaries and then attended a few Mormon services and even a baptism, and read a bit of the BoM that they generously gave me. That South Park episode about Mormons is pretty spot on.

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>>139417782
>Never translated
>Literally claimed to be translated from the language of the nephites by Joseph Smith.
You were clearly manipulated into your conversion. Study up more on actual church doctrine before you try to defend it here. For starters, look up mormon works on "The Restoration"

The only book the mormon's have that claims to be originally in English is the "Doctrine and Covenants", which was written by their modern prophets. (Most of it was originally called the book of commandments, but it's the same thing)

None of this is anti-mormon propoganda. This is what the church actually teaches.

This is what happens when you allow unorganized protestant religions to spring up. The Anglicans for being excommunicated at least had the right idea of kicking out the crazies.

>>139412826
Mormons are a cult. They lovebomb outsiders to lure them in, then get steadily more psychologically twisted as people fall into their control. The entire memeplex breeds sick systems - and it breeds humans, too. Mormons are cattle to an idea that destroys them as people.

>>139418029
but that is the point

that is literally the top of the pyramid for them

that is mormie bro tier

through all the nepotism and bs, that is the best they can muster

they are so fucking pathetic. they feel it in their bones and it is expressed on the spacey retard look they present on their faces

If you're already dumb enough to think god exists to begin with then thinking jesus came to america isnt much of a stretch.

>>139419437
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_body_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoon_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_body_hypothesis


>there is actually a strong historical case to be made for the resurrection

Seems like a lot of historians would disagree with you there.
>hurr durr not gonna click them links

the long and short of it is that there is little consensus with what happened, even among christians.

>>139417208
>the religion that's responsible for the preservation of ancient Greek and Roman knowledge is traitorous
You forgot to make your le ebin flying spaghetti monster joke, Edge Boy.

>>139418607
>answering the door for two scared moron boys and the 4 moron elders watching them like creepy hawks from the street

lelelelelel how new are you mormie fag?

>>139420115

Yes I'm aware of alternative explanations. I don't think they work. Remember when I told you that I'm not clicking any links. If you want to talk to me you have to use your own words. I would like to explain why they don't work but I can't do that if you're going to gish gallop.

>>139419998
I don't know that I agree with that assessment. I was pretty deep into mormonism and it never really got psychologically twisted. Rather, it got too open-ended, with everyone having their own interpretations of various details, and a sort of hierarchy.

I didn't see any connection between being more closely associated with the mormons and being more twisted. Nowhere near the levels you see that behavior in catholicism or masonry.

>>139420115
Just because some nerds made up hypotheses and posted them on Wikipedia doesn't mean there isn't consensus on what happened especially among Christians. You have a serious case of confirmation bias and you're unwilling to open your mind to possibilities.

>>139418607
if you knock on my door you better bring me my fucking pizza you god damn moron

>>139416872
please fuck off back to your weeb containment board (they're the ones under "japanese culture").

>>139419897
1 question for you. you ever read it?
[i didnt think so.)

>>139420400
>around 40,000 different types of christianity
>"some nerds on wikipedia" doesn't mean there's no consensus on what happened among christians

Next you're gonna tell me why your particular denomination is the correct way to god and how the others are wrong, right?

>>139420343
>I don't think they work
Why does your particular belief work while these others can't? (please explain, I really wanna hear this one.)

>>139419647
i'm pretty good at bashin' morons

>>139420739
I have read it over 10 times, actually. I was mormon for over 20 years.

>>139420810

Be specific in what hypothesis you're referring to. It's unfair to ask me to address all of them at once.

>>139420908
you only need to read it once and look back at it from time to time. you read anything too much, you get sick of it.
this explains why you stopped being LDS.

albert einstein once said "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again". just some food for thought. -T

>>139420739
Book of Abraham dude. If joe smith faked that shit, then it is likely that he faked the Book of Mormon.

It's right in front of you. Plain as day.

>>139420908
http://millennialmormonism.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-is-church-so-boring.html

found this with a search

>>139421034
I'm actually not even sure what you do believe (I believe you referred to it as "the christian thesis")

Please explain why you think that one's right.

>>139420315
>the religion that's responsible for the preservation of ancient Greek and Roman knowledge is traitorous
you forgot to mention the destruction of it, stupid jew.

>>139421323
explain

>>139420810
>Next you're gonna tell me why your particular denomination is the correct way to god and how the others are wrong, right?
No, all of the denominations are wrong in some way. We're talking about events that happened two millennia ago, a time when information wasn't recorded so well. Not to mention that most of the Old Testament was passed down as oral history, so who knows how much it changed before it was written down. It's impossible to know exactly what happened back then, but we can approximate.

>>139411806
>mormons
Nobody takes those adulterers seriously.

>>139411806
Daily reminder that Mormons are thwblast best hope of the western white man

>>139421271
You are a fucking moron. You know nothing of church doctrine.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2005/08/a-testimony-vibrant-and-true?lang=eng
>Without reservation I promise you that if each of you will observe this simple program, regardless of how many times you previously may have read the Book of Mormon, there will come into your lives and into your homes an added measure of the Spirit of the Lord, a strengthened resolution to walk in obedience to His commandments, and a stronger testimony of the living reality of the Son of God.
This was the prophet of the church at the time (died a few years ago)

>>139421271
>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/the-power-of-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng
>If you are not reading the Book of Mormon each day, please do so.
This is the current LDS prophet

>>139421457
Joseph smith bought some papyrus from a literal mummy sideshow and "interpreted" it and said it was written by Abraham. Problem is, egyptologists deciphered hieroglyphics decades later thanks to the Rosetta Stone and, oh shit, the book of Abraham is actually a mundane funerary text. Joseph Smith was posthumously caught in a huge lie.

It is not what he said it was. The question is, why would he fake that if he actually took the word of god from an angel?

>because he didn't.

>>139421417

The "Christian thesis" is the idea that Christ actually resurrected as described in the gospels. I've already explained why I believe its true but I'll repeat myself. The guarded tomb being found empty, the discovery by women, the post resurrection appearance to hundreds of people, especially Paul. These are all things that virtually every historian agrees actually happened and I believe the gospel account of events reconciles with the known historical data, which makes me confident that it's actually true because the alternative explanations for these events are not compelling.

>>139421420
>monks in European monasteries write copies of books by Greek and Roman philosophers, poets, mathematicians, and scientists
>the concept of the university is born out of Christian churches
Either you slept through Humanities, or you're underage. Which is it?

>>139421928
>and I believe the gospel account of events reconciles best with the known historical data

fixed

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>>139418437
does that mean Goku is Jehova?

>>139421593
way to lose your cool and call me an ad hominum. if you studied arguements, youd know it is an admonition of defeat.

Nor is this true, nobody at LDS ever told me to read it time and time again.
he was old as heck to, reading it 10 times in a lifetime isnt so bad but if you are what, 20, maybe 30? thats like once a year or more often.
you mistook what this guy said and took it to an extreme. thats like me telling you to guzzle some water and you drink so much your organs cant handle it and you die.

>>139418437
Hasa diga eebowai, man.

>>139411806
Why do so many Jews believe that God chose them specifically as his people?

Why do so many Muslims believe that God chose an Arab as his prophet?

>>139421928
>tomb found empty, some people say they saw jesus
So you don't think it's possible someone took the body out of the tomb?

>>139421457
>>139421773
To follow on, I'm not trying to shit on you for your faith. I was raised catholic and still have a sentimental attachment and respect for my former church as an institution and general force for goodness in the world. I think the same can be said for the LDS church generally. Mormons are usually pretty decent people, but you really need to look hard at the provenance of your scriptures if you are going to be vigorously defending them on the internet.

>>139422095
I just quoted two generations of the leaders of your church, which your doctrine claims is the ultimate authority on earth for what you believe.

Thomas S Monson is the current leader of the entire Mormon church. Before him, it was Gordon B. Hinckley. Both of them want you to read the book of mormon every single day, regardless of how many times you have read it in the past.

I don't see how this is so complicated for you to understand. You are literally ignoring the authority figure you claim to support.

>>139422233
1. Jews are told they're God's chosen people in their holy book.
2. Muslims are told that Jesus was a prophet and Mohammed was the last prophet in their holy book.
3. Stop reddit-spacing, you faggot.

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>>139419500
How about beating 90% of the states then?

>>139422415
well just need to agree to disagree then.

>>139422623
Lets be real. That's more a function of race than religion.

>>139422269

No I don't, and the reason why is because it was guarded, so Jesus followers couldn't get to it. And even if they did somehow steal the body it wouldn't explain why they would devote their lives to a lie and be matyrd for that lie.

I don't think there is any good reason to believe the Jews or Romans stole the body because they would have known it would work against their interest, which is why it was guarded to begin with. The Romans were quelling a resurrection and the Jews were suppressing what they though were a heretical group, and they knew about the prophecy of resurrection. They were hoping to show the world Jesus' body after three days so they could put an end to this C Christian insurrection.

>>139422732
>The Romans were quelling a resurrection

Fuck my typing is awful today. I meant to say that the the Romans were quelling an insurrection

>>139422669
Have fun continuing to be a shame to your family and friends as a social mormon. You are literally the bottom of the totem pole in their structure, essentially on spiritual welfare. The only way you can go lower is by being a non-believer.

>>139422600
>nobody is allowed to use a space between their sentences ever again because Reddit

>>139417793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM

BTW I love being able to study the book of Mormon with sister missionaries every week

>>139422875
i hold my religious beliefs highly and are #1 in my life, and im pretty active and respected, so you're 100% wrong.
Keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself.

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>>139422684
This. Whenever something is brought up about the Bible Belt being shit, people conveniently forget that's the highest concentration of black people.

>>139422900
If you can write one good argument that those two questions had to have that much delimitation between them, I'll take it back.

>>139417948
I saw niggers and mixed couples in a jehovah witness church

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>>139423238
>ignorant
That's rich coming from the one who doesn't even understand the basics of the religion he believes.

If you cared at all about your religion, you would actually listen to your leadership when they tell you to:
>Study
>Stop masturbating

>>139423238
>arguing with hostile implacable skeptics
>not responding in defense of the book of Abraham

1-800-COMEONNOW.png

I was all on board lads...
Non-degenerate people
Traditional family orientated Wife
My future was looking good.

Then yesterday I got my lesson on 'Titheing'
As a Mormon you have to give 1/10th of your earnings to the church plus fast donations.

Fuck that noise man. I've got my baptism interview tommorow. I'm gunna throw it on purpose.

>>139417051
>Miracles cant occur but they totally did because a book says so despite the fact that no "miracle" has happened in the modern age when most people believe in the scientific method and corroborated sources/preponderance of evidence.

>really gets the ol noggin fired up

>>139421271
weak bait

>>139424419
This is the mormon version of state tax if you live in Utah. They use the money for relatively transparent purposes, such as:
>Disaster prep
>Building construction and maintenance
>Work-based social welfare (you have to do volunteer hours to cash in)
>Preaching subsidy
>Boy scouts, ward activities, etc.
It's lower than most state taxes considering the benefits involved.

>>139423238
weakest Mormon defense I have ever seen. Wet tissue puts up more resistance.

>>139424934
or... OR... you could just literally not be a Mormon and invest your own money or build your own disaster shelter and not have to buy Joesph Smith (TM) Mormon Rated (TM) (R) Disaster Proofing

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I love how feminine and non degenerate sister missionaries are,how often do you meet cute 20yo virgin girls

>be me,high on pot coming back from the store for beer
>see 2 cute girls we make eye contact so I smile and they smile back
>bring them in my backyard and have a 1hour talk about how degenerate the world is
>they give me there number and since then I have been meting with them every week for 2 months

>>139424934
Yep they told me that.
And the Bishop said if I am in need, he can use some of the fast donation to help me (Or anyone else in the church who is struggling).
And I was considering it like it was a subscription to a dating service of exclusive traditional women.
But as you can probably tell I'm not 100% into the faith as it is. And it really pissed me off that I wasn't told this before I got deeper involved.
Although I understand the use of it, It makes it scream of being a scam.

where did all these christfags come from, take me back to 08' please

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>>139415385
me on the right

>>139425342
All I'm trying to say is that from the perspective of a believer it's not a bad deal.

The mormons will even let you buy their disaster gear as a nonmember, and they make good stuff at relatively competitive prices.

>>139425456
They're running a business. Honestly, they're pretty up-front about it. They tell you before you make any major commitments.

>>139417373
The structure is there, you're just not seeing it, likely because you're not used to seeing mormon family photos.

The head of household goes in the center, with his wife. The older children stand next to their parents in the rear, grouped by family.

The youngest kids go wherever you can put them for convenient photos, because they have to go somewhere and the parents only have so many arms.

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>>139425456
they want you to know has little has possible and then use peer pressure to get you to conform

>they think that they can achieve god hood in the celestial kingdom(afterlife)
>that there current church president is a living prophet(he has revelations from god)
>that the Lamanites and Nephites really existed even when there is no proof from all the archaeology digs that BYU did
>in denial about the link between free masonry and the temple rituals
>at least since I have gotten to know the sister missionaries I have quit pron,weed and drinking and I must keep bettering myself if I want a tradcon wife

>>139411806
>implying America isn't babylon

>>139426355
>They hide any of these things

>Current prophet receives revelations from god
This is literally the first topic they cover for converts. It's the whole point behind "the restoration", which missionaries are *required* to cover first.
>Godhood in the celestial kingdom
This is only ~tier 3 convert stuff. You will learn about it either by asking or by attending classes that they host weekly, which are open to the public. This is advertised, not hidden.
>Lamanites and Nephites really existed
Yes, they claim to believe what is in their holy books. There are archeological digs that claim to support the doctrine from BYU as well as some that do not.
>Masonry link denial
The actual doctrine acknowledges the link, but yes they do hide this. The hand-wave explanation is "other churches have some important things, but not all of them, and they no longer have the priesthood so it's powerless for everyone but us"
This is taught to children by the age of 8, usually with the analogy of a broken mirror.

>>139426294
I don't get it man. If you had any self awareness and actually devoted more than 1/2 of a neuron to thinking about the origins of your "religion," I don't see how you wouldn't immediately recoil in horror. I get that family and community ties are strong and there's strong incentive to ignore the craziness for the support system that the church brings... but you guys are the laughing stock of every other organized religion.

In the hierarchy of absolute nutso theories, Joesph Smith receiving the gospel in his peculiar little was is straight at the top.

>>139427156
You seem to misunderstand me. I am an ex-mormon.

>>139427370
How is everyone in the church not a neurotic wreck? Or is everyone just good at concealing it.

>>139427553
Are you saying everyone else isn't? I was a neurotic wreck when I was a member, and I still am, but I see the same madness in at least 90% of the people around me, even outside mormon country.

>>139411806
Watch and learn. Its science and destiny OP.

https://youtu.be/6UfFMayNaEI

>>139419897
It was never translated. It was written from the voice of God in the king's English. The markings on the plates were superfluous and meant nothing. The urim and thummin were a direct conduit from God to Joseph Smith's mouth to Oliver Cowdry's pen.

>>139427701
I hope you enjoy outer darkness. I know I'll enjoy sending you there.

>>139427701
I mostly see neuroticism coming from the religious, I figure its just an attempt to combat the endless mental onslaught of having to suspend your concept of reality for promises of something better. Plus, while religious people seem to be calmed by the prospect of an afterlife, it seems to me the constant ritualization of death does the opposite in a subtle manner - everyone in attendance actually becomes hyper aware of their own mortality.

As for everyone else, I wouldn't call it neuroticism but more mania, due mostly to the constant demands of a capitalist culture and the value system inherent within.

>>139417475
Nope...Moses corrected all the other flood myths. Just because he wrote it later doesn't mean the earlier versions were true.

>>139428274
>>139428396


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>>139428448

Geologists have discovered that melting glaciers near the black sea could have caused the collapse of giant ice dams about seven thousand years ago. Such an event would have triggered sudden, massive flooding across a wide area, which would have served as the basis for all the flood accounts in the region. Similar accounts of a massive flood in the Ancient Near East should serve to corroborate the Genesis account, not contradict it.

>>139428396
Book of Abraham you smug retard.

Mormonism is all a fraud. It's literally some con artist cucking retards in the 19th century that somehow became an actual church.

>>139428274
I can see the argument, but if that's the case, then why do the translations of the book of mormon not contain the same versions of the sermon on the mount as the JST translations of the new testament?

>3 Ne. 13:25
>...Therefore I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

>Matthew 6:25 (KJV unaltered)
>Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Note these two are identical, one Smith-certified, one not. However, Matthew 6:25 has a JST.

>Matthew 6:25 (JST)
>And, again, I say unto you, go ye into the world, and care not for the world; for the world will hate you, and will persecute you, and will turn you out of their synagogues.

If it was a direct stream from God, why did God send the mistranslated passage down the tube?

>>139428396
If you think I qualify for outer darkness you need to study up. I'm headed for the telestial at worst, but most likely the terrestrial kingdom. Outer darkness requires quite a bit more work. Even Hitler will go to the Telestial kingdom.

>>139428399
I'm not going to attempt to break down the levels of neuroticism vs mania in the general populace, if that's all right with you.

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>>139411806
I live in Independence, MO, which is basically Mormon Mecca. The temple where Joseph Smith is supposed to return to Earth is a few blocks from where I live, also across from the Brigham-Young estate. Lone coalburners pushing turdlers in strollers and meth labs surround the place. Thinking of a change in venue before too long.

>>139412326
hahaha, are u serious?, u are white?

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>>139428751
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are the chads of Christianity

>>139428913
You didn't have your endowments? Then you weren't ever a real mormon - you were just a weed that shriveled amongst the wheat.

>>139411806
because america is israel, not in a kike sense. we are gods chosen people. this is gods country. this it the final redpill

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>>139411806
Take the Theodemocracy pill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemocracy

>>139429660
They're apostates. Light up the stake for those fags.

>>139411806
Pretty sure Joseph Smith was just trying to get laid

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>>139430499
If the LDS had more men like Joseph Smith,Brigham Young,Nephi and Moroni then it would be the stronghold of American white nationalism and anti communism

>>139429917
I did have my endowments, actually.

My American family are Mormons
absolute nut jobs the lot of them
they visited us one time and they didn't drink tea

>>139412380
This. I never thought I would see the day when fucking Mormons would be less degenerate than the wider society around them

>>139431755
Yes, mormons don't drink the liquid anglo.

They will, however, drink "herbal tea", a definition I always found lacking, as all tea I know of is made from some herb or other. Black tea is out for sure, though.

>>139424419
that it mitt's slush fund for his criminal white collar activity, and for taking your wife out on dates- all while telling you to take a fat samoan bride that they will pay for!!!!

don't be a moron cuckboi

>>139424934
>relatively transparent purposes
lmao0o0o0o0

even you know it's a scam but just gotta keep up appearances for da gentiles!!!

>mailorder samoan bride human trafficking
>white collar human trafficking
morons love open borders for a reason

fucking morons

>>139430447
rollin

>>139425456
you mean you aren't down for buying into a cult that wants to fuck your future preteen daughter behind your back?

and when you find out about it you better be ok with it or they will...gasp....ex-comm or shun you!!!

all because you didn't like them fucking gangbanging your preteen daughter!

can you believe that shit!

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>>139432347
You do realize Mitt Romney has virtually no position within the church, right? Here's a breakdown:

>Teenage priesthood
>Adult priesthood
>Bishop (one congregation)
>Stake President (local groups of congregatons) <--------Mitt is here
>General Authority
>The upper level of GAs (there are two groups)
>Quorum of the 12
>First Presidency

He has to go through 4 levels of bureaucracy to get anything done church-wide.

>>139432543
I'd love some sources on that. If it's true, I am n a decent position to investigate it. That said, I'm 75% sure you're just bullshitting.

Lol buncha edgelords in here

Mormonism is the truest faith because it's foundation is ask God if the book of Mormon is true

God either answers or he doesn't. Other Christian try to bully with the Bible like low key Muslims.

Buncha faggots, go read the book and ask if it's true

These faggots here won't tell you ole Joe was right about slavery, civil war, race wars, secret societies, dead sea scrolls, actual non Jewish archealogy, etc.

We we're the major religion against war with Hitler. We are against communists

Quote by Joseph Smith

Peace be still, bury the hatchet and the sword, the sound of war is dreadful in my ear. [But] any man who will not fight for his wife and children is a coward and a bastard.

I guess I'll be fighting with the Nazis against phony Christians and Communists next time

Whats with this gangbanging daughters crap? Did the founder fuck someone's daughter?

>>139432938
>Just pray and he'll tell you!
My biggest complaint with this method is the high incidence of false positives.

>>139433248
There's a lot of complicated history. Believers will say "people are imperfect" if they acknowledge them. Many don't know.

Most of the more involved bits have been trimmed from the canon. Things like verifying your virginity before marriage in the temple.

>>139433272
Reality is perception. Color isn't real to a blind man till he can see. Till then he takes things on faith we take for granted.

When I die and meet God, I want to know he answered me. Not a paid pastor, family tradition, or opinion of my own.

So if God exists and loves us, why wouldn't he answer?

Even Joseph thought methodists were right till he asked cuz his mom was one.

>>139435269
God will tell you like he told Peter when he asked for a testimony of Christ.

If you really only man, it's like Christ said. The blind leading the blind and they both fall in the ditch.

>>139436038
*If you really on only man

>>139436096
Rely

>>139432938
cesletter.com

Wake up.

>>139419161
ok, show me evidence that he existed that doesn't come from a story book.

Mormons do more to protect the future of the white race than most of the fgts posting in this thread will ever do.
I don't care if it's a cult or not they as a group are by far the most superior of anyone at promoting 1950s white culture and manners.
So until you neckbeards start making 6 figures and have 7 white kids who don't behave like assholes don't be shitting on a group of people that is quite literally superior to you

>>139433272
Welcome to the world of faith dummy, thats kind of the point.

ok so do we have any record of what happen in america after christ died ............. if we do let me know cause it is possible..........if God exists and the bible is true than God can do anything he wants and coming to america is not in the relm of impossibility.......... christ came back after dying..... why not come to america..... or aferica..... or asia......anywhere he is fucking GOD!!!

>>139425374
use your real flag, evan

besides, what a waste when you just are going to cheat on her with a fat samoan

you people are garbage humans btw

>>139425374
i feel sorry for moron females

>>139438778
> use your real flag
> using the exact same meme-flag
ironic retard is ironic, and retarded.

>>139411806
Who the fuck are you talking about?

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>>139436380
Listen up faggots.

I was born in the church, did the foreign mission, married the QT mormon waifu in the temple, have 3 kids and there was also some lingering unanswered questions. My uncles went mental from this, Not me. I'm getting out.

The red pill:
http://cesletter.com/Letter-to-a-CES-Director.pdf

The blue pill:
“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.”

– President J. Reuben Clark
Stay in wonderland a little longer...

Red Pill yourselves Brethren.

>>139426355
nice pic of moron slave cattle vagina

it sucks moron girls are the ones that know the least about everything

truly feel sorry for moron females, moreso than the poor young shunned morons who have their sisters fucked out by older elder bishops and shieett

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>>139439138
You should stop typing like a nigger talks.
It's not conducive to your shit posting. Construct an argument or stfu. Whatever you do, Linger more you 24 post faggotron.

>>139431428
take off that flag fag

instead moronism is a hotbed of anti-americanism and globalist jew puppets

even protestants look down on them in horror
that is all you need to know about moronism

>>139432122
sort of like
"don't gamble, drink, or smoke.........but lets hire our own to run vegas casinos!!!!"

if you want to know why vegas is a shithole, it's because morons teamed up with jews and pushed out the classier group of people that ran vegas. morons used vegas to fuck little girls in the desert for like, 60 years. then those guido fuckers built a gorgeous city in the middle of the desert. then morons and jews got jelly and called the fbi. then the town went to shit because they love importing mexicans.

morons are fraud shysters that are founded on shit

Never met a bad mormon.. Doesnt mean they didnt exist.. Google brigham young

>>139432803
>ou do realize Mitt Romney has virtually no position within the church, right?

LOOOOOOOLL

i don't give a fuck what you post about your (((leadership)))

i shook his hand in 2012 and know what you guys are. he is your king. and i knew he was a fucking loser. a wide eyed, lost, and scared idiot. that was the best you have and you all bow down to him. still. your (((elders))) take orders from him. you guys are a fucking inbred slush fund scam operation.

>>139432803
i'll take my un mormon eyes and ears over your cucked out moron illogical ideals

besides, you being a moron aren't told the truth about a n y t h i n g

but it's cute that you think you know

tell your elders they are going to be investigated for moron mafia shiet in sb, ca

>>139433248
ye he was banging out his friends' 12 year old daughters behind a barn in nauvoo, il

then when the men found out, they gave up their wives too

morons are fucking cucked out milquetoast losers

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>>139440270
Did a Mormon rape you? Did one of those QT Mormon girls not give you the attention you seek out even here on /pol
Why are you so petty after this many posts?

You really should work on facts and evidence rather than conjecture, bias and opinions.

>>139420106
This.

Why is everyone so keen to adopt Jewish ideas whilst not being from the exclusive, 'favored by god' bloodline themselves?

I don't get what the advantage is to a non-jew in adopting essentially a jewish tradition.

>>139437437
you sound like a jew that hides your nepotism

you are paid and nepotized to be a cattle for mitt's slush fund, and shut the fuck up when he bangs your mom, sister, and aunt

you don't have 7 white babies, you have several samoan or tongan brown babies

mitt has several mexican wives he keeps in a shelter in northern mexico

it's close to san diego where he also spends time and keeps another wife on a chain somewhere

morons are founded on anti-americanism and are plotting against the usa today

so shut the fuck up

>>139439669
shut the fuck up little dork boy

lassiter will do whatever he wants to you faggot tulls

your ms withersteens want me but your (((elders))) won't let her leave the plantation


now go fuck a fat nigger samoan you fucking bitch

>>139440978
you add nothing, bitch

morons are nothing. you are nothing.
morons can't touch me dude. that is what sucks for your ms withersteens. you can't rape me because i'm not a 12 year old moron girl.

now get off my ranch you fucking little bitch

go fuck your fat brown samoan

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>>139411806
Don't make fun of mormons. They are retarded, it's not nice to make fun of retarded people.

>>139440978
>s-s-ssstopp itttt s-s-stoppp speaking about my fraud c-c-ult!!!

llooooll

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>>139440978
So was this the second coming of Jesus?

>>139415243
theres always one cancerous catlick for every thread

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>>139441663
>>139441933
You're literally a Mushbrain.
No facts, no argument, just a lame little internet neet. You've added zero value to a possibly enlightening discussion for others to learn from.

I'm amazed your this lit up about mormons who are statistically law abiding and high tax paying citizens.

You're in your moms trashy mobile home shit posting to no end. Some life you're living... not really merrily down the stream though... End it now.

>>139419500
I mean, most latinos are catholic and that entire part of the world is littered with crime.

>>139420089
every time you post...its just so cringey

Face it, you only hate mormons because you arent included in their nepotism. Exactly the same way /pol/ views shitskins. You are nothing but shitskins to mormons, and this is why you hate them

>>139439922
Actual conversation I had with southern baptists where I live.
me:"I think christians need to stand up for our rights more. If someone loves jesus christ, they should be allowed to express that."
them:"you're not a real christians"

that was the whole conversation, I have never thus mentioned religious freedom to a protestant

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>>139443254
Funny though, America is a nation for any religious belief protected by the constitution.
Yet if you're not a Christian you might as well be burned at the stake... and the torch bearer Will just say "You're not a real Christian" while they claim to be Christian themselves.

>>139419500

lol I'm an atheist you retard.