CHRISTIAN THREAD

>>139373759
Fuck off Buzznigger you traitorous Malaysian faggot

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>>139373759
Why are you so obsessed with what other people do with their time?

>jew on a stick

>>139373662
Judging from what I've seen, in my opinion barely any are really Orthodox. They just say they are because they think the Orthodox aesthetic is cool.

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>>139374006
We want them to be saved. You don't honestly want to be punished for your sins for all eternity?

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>>139373759
Why does the bible present a flawed creation story
>inb4 it's a metaphor
explain this metaphor to me

>>139374215
What do you think is flawed about it, and to what are you comparing it?

>>139374036
Non-Christians on /pol/ think Orthodoxy looks "cool" because it has the Babylonian aesthetics and the name "orthodox". They still don't care about the Bible...

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>>139374207
What did I do? I have never killed nor stolen, and I try to stay out of other people's business generally

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>>139373759
Hello again party people

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>tfw you've been saved
It's like i'm always comfy deep down inside. Come, everything will be forgiven. The lord loves you.

>>139374006
Simple.

We want more people like us in heaven for eternity.

>>139373759
get fucked mike, we dont care

>>139373759
give me proof that god exists.....

>>139374361
It claims that plants were created before the sun (plants need light for photosynthesis, also, the sun is older than the earth, which means the plants must have been floating around in space)
It also doesn't get the chronological order of evolution right. It claims that birds existed before land animals

>>139373759
We?

how does one become a christian.

>>139374429
Have you ever hated anyone?
Wished anyone was dead?
Called anyone a fool?
Prejudiced against anyone?

All of those violate Thou Shalt Not Murder

Have you given to God what belongs to God?

that violates Thou Shalt Not Steal

So far, you're a murderer and a thief. Shall we go for fornicator and blasphemous adulterer as well?

>>139374438
I posed a series of questions to you in the other thread. Feel free to respond here.

>>139374429
If you've committed a single sin, it's as you've broken all of God's laws. The Bible says that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". But because God loves us, he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins.

When Christ was crucified, it was as if he carried the sins of the whole world in his own body. The only thing we need to do is accept Christ as our Lord and savior, then our sins will be on His record. So when you meet God when you die, you'll have a clean record.

Why is Christianity more valid than much older religions?

>>139374595
Free will and morality.

>>139373759
Just reminding all you crappy trolls that there are indeed no proofs that any god ever existed, so all your beliefs (just like mine) are just beliefs, nothing more.

>>139374705
I don't have it up anymore. Are you the baitfag from the other thread? If not please feel free to restate them.

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>>139374632
Yes, we, the large anon community on /pol/ who are in fact believing Christians but you didn't realize that we are because we don't autistically screech on and on about it like atheists.

>>139374611
What did God create first? (Light)
What is God? (Light)
Who put light into the sun? (God).

When was the sun made? Day Four
When was the earth made? Day Two

So yes, the earth is older than the sun, by two days.

When were birds created? Day 5
When were the land animals made? Day 6

So yes, birds existed an entire day before land animals.

And your "evidence" that any of this is incorrect is, what, again? The "wisdom of men"?

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>>139373759

If God isn't real then why don't the people in Australia fall off the Earth? Checkmate, atheists.

>>139374611
What? The sun was created before. Read Genesis:

>1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

>3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

>9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

>11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

>>139374635
one confesses with the mouth, that is to say out loud, that Jesus is Lord, and believes in one's heart that God raised Him from the dead. Do this, and you will be saved. Romans 10

>>139374635
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, believe that he died on the cross for your sins, that he was buried, and rose again from the dead.

That's it.

>>139375037
Evidence:
>the existence of the universe
>free will

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Islam is a truth.

Satan couldn't have been an angel because angels are made of light and thus can't disobey God. Satan was a jinn, made of fire.

Jesus (pbuh) can't be God, the holy trinity is debunked by the Bible.

>>139374817
I can be moral without god,

if god is omni-scient/benevolent'/potent/present and has predicted our every move we dont have free will, but i do since I dont believe in god

>>139375050
I asked how you knew God did nothing for the innocent dead; how you knew the innocent dead were not in heaven living with God in perfect bliss; how you knew the innocent dead even had memories of their lives here on earth, and of course I know that you have no way of knowing any of those things.

And yet you made declarative statements about them, almost as though you believe your opinion is the same as the Word of God.

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>>139374656
>hated anyone
>called anyone a fool
>violates thou shall not murder

Huh?

>>139375220
Angels take human form.

Satan told Mohammad he was Gabriel. The father of lies, lied to Mohammad.

>>139375251
Foreknowledge and free will are not mutually exclusive, as they are independent of each other.

>>139375119
Right. Jesus takes our place as the guilty in God's courtroom on the last day because outside of Him there is absolutely NOTHING we can do to redeem ourselves. We aren't saved because we stop swearing or lying or smoking AND the blood of Jesus. No, we are saved because of the blood of Jesus ALONE.

>>139375251
>I can be moral without god,

Then you must be God, for only God is good (moral).

>>139375314
It's part of the rage the pharisees had towards Jesus. They thought, as all men thought, that unless they murder someone, they are innocent under the Law re murder.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

All sin begins in the heart.

>>139375434
But without evil there could be no good so it must be good to be evil sometimes

>>139375562
There was nothing but Good, nothing but God, prior to God creating the angels.

And when God confines all evil into the lake of fire, there will again be nothing but Good.

Dualism is fail.

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>>139375251
>if god is omni-scient/benevolent'/potent/present and has predicted our every move we dont have free will

Yes, we do, because God gave us free will. Just because he knows the outcome of his creation doesn't mean he caused that outcome. God can do anything, and God gave us free will.

If I record a baseball game on TV, and we watch it the next day, I didn't cause the game to play out the way it did just because I have pre-knowledge of the game. I just know the outcome because I've seen it play out. I didn't cause it.

God exists outside space and time, and he knows everything. So obviously he can jump on the timeline and see what's going to happen. How do you think Jesus predicted things and how do you think Revelation came about?!

>>139375065
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

"Let there be light" cannot refer to the sun because according to the bible the sun was created on the fourth day.
So light existed before the sources of light? Either way, a permament source of light is necessary for plants to exist.
>>139375053
>the bible is right because the bible says so
Food for thought: Isn't it the wisdom of men with which we determine that a holy scripture or a religion is truthful?

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>>139374656
>>139374730

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>>139373759
I'm all for deus vult because it will kill niggers, but don't think I'm kneeling down and wasting my time for a church that tries to "save" them and let's illegals take refuge under them. Christianity is cucked and lacks modern day morals for a healthy, open and friendly society without fundementalist religious niggers.

You can debate me all you want, but there is no point in living a life cucked under some cross, when you can be all that and a better human being without believing in ooga-booga kike-cross-section desert scribbles. Christianity is weak and only ammo they have is "hell this" and "sin that" and scare-tactic bullshit.

>>139375253
So you ARE the baitfag, gotcha.

>>139375220
religion is an old wives tale with the belief of a scary all powerful man living in the sky, its fucking terrible, Religion is stupid but by far Islam is the worst

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>>139375363
>Angels take human form

Yeah according to Christcucks everything takes human form. When did Lucifer takes human form? Never. Get the fuck out

So Satan taught Muhammad the same things prescribed by Christianity or Judaism? You don't make any sense

Oh and by the way, Jesus (pbuh) was tempted by Satan in the desert, so your god can basically be tempted by Satan. Interesting. Fuck outta here

>>139375251
Morality doesn't save you. Our idea of morality is totally corrupted from the start.
Let me make this very clear: you will NOT stand before a HOLY God on the last day in your own morality or your own self-righteousness.

>>139375631
>Food for thought: Isn't it the wisdom of men with which we determine that a holy scripture or a religion is truthful?

No, it is by the indwelling presence and instruction of the Holy Spirit of God.

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>>139375562

>>139375660
Yes, because I said there are some wonderful Jewish people in the world.

Maybe get out of your house and meet some, in person.

>>139375220
>t.sunni pedophile / shia zoroastrian

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>>139375537
That sounds incredibly authoritarian in nature. All I am getting from this is that this god person is a bit of a fucking tyrant

>>139375706
When lucifer tempted Jesus in the wilderness, for one.

>>139375706
>So Satan taught Muhammad the same things prescribed by Christianity

Christianity: Jesus is God, was crucified, died, and rose again from the dead.

Islam: Jesus is not God, was not crucified, did not die, and therefore did not have to rise from the dead.

Pretty sure most people can tell those are not only different, but opposite and mutually exclusive.

>>139375415
Well isn't that convenient

>>139375727
How do you know it's the holy spirit guiding you and not something else?

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>>139373759
Hey guys, we have a /christian/ imageboard and discord. All Christian denominations that follow the Nicene Creed are welcome. Links are in pic related, God bless!

>>139375834
1- Christ "suffered" from the temptation as the NT says, for 40 days and 40 nights.

2- Christ had "evil desires" in him.

3- Christ felt spiritually weak that Angels had to come down to "attend him", because he was getting weaker and weaker, spiritually from satan's temptation.

4- Christ was between satan and GOD Almighty for 40 days and 40 nights.

5- Christ coveted the kingdoms of the world, and coveted turning them into satanic world such as open pornography, alcoholism, drugs, violence, theft, prostitution and all of the sins that one can think of.

6- The Bible says GOD Almighty can not be tempted by anyone! Yet, Christ was tempted for 40 days and 40 nights, and the temptation got very bad too for him.


Your non-monotheistic cult is blasphemy

>>139375631
He created the day and the night first... the definition of day and night is literally light and darkness. Stop being silly.

>Food for thought: Isn't it the wisdom of men with which we determine that a holy scripture or a religion is truthful?
No, the Bible says that holy man of God were moved by the Holy Ghost as they spake. The Bible was written by God.

>>139375833
He absolutely is. He is the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords, and will not share His glory with anyone or anything. And as I mentioned before, He will rule with world with a rod of iron to break the nations.

Now ask yourself this.

What would you give to be able to go into His throne room, climb up on His throne, hug Him, and tell Him that you love Him?

>>139375776
I treat kikes everyday, the only worse scum on this earth is niggers.

>>139375833
kinda sounds like this christian(totally not jewish lol) god wants you to be his subservient bitch.

raelli maeks u thunk hmmmm

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I really wish I could believe in God. I believe in the morality of Christianity, and I wish I could be a Christian. It would be so comforting to have the community of the church, the understanding that you won't cease to exist when you die. I can't though. No matter what I do I can't just "turn on" faith like a switch. I just don't have it.

>>139375954
God is capable of making Himself known, and by not doing anything contrary to His Word, or His name, or His character, or His nature.

>>139373759
How long have you been sucking jesus cock?

>>139376074
desu I don't have a problem with Christianity I just despise Islam

>>139375919
What in terms of practices? Why didn't Satan taught Muhammad that pre-marital sex must be encourage, why did he taught him to be circumcised by Jesus. Why is Islam's theology similar to Judaism's theology?

>>139376074
what sort of coward mentality is that, disgusting.

>>139376048
Jesus was tempted by the devil.

At no point was Jesus tempted to give in to those temptations. Nor was He spiritually weak; He was dying of hunger and thirst, hence the angels ministered to Him and kept Him alive. They were obviously on hand the entire time.

Jesus is God, not between man and God, and Jesus did not want the broken sinful and cursed world the devil offered Him.

He has better plans for this place than that. And they include the devil, his demons, and his human allies in an eternal lake of fire.

>>139374656
>literal thoughtcrime

>>139376068
The only thing this implies is that the bible is contradicting itself. How can there be day and night before there was a sun?
>No, the Bible says that holy man of God were moved by the Holy Ghost as they spake. The Bible was written by God
How do you know they were guided by the Holy Ghost?

>>139376095
I feel sorry for the people in your care, as you do not seem to care about people.

>>139373759
>We will debate you.
ffs, no. I'd rather be beheaded than arguing with a christfag in <current_year>.

>>139376113
Which is why you have to humble yourself and ask God for assistance, because these are supernatural matters that require supernatural assistance.

Judaism, Christianity, Islam = Axis Of Evil.

Evil is live backwards, and the Axis Of Evil is to live backwards.

Jewish Filth is just that: Backwards.

>>139376342
I care for people, not vermin.

>>139376113
What do you mean? Faith always comes with some doubt. That's the point of faith. Salvation is by faith, which means that we need to believe. If we didn't how to believe ... that would be pretty easy, wouldn't it?

But we all have doubts, that's part of being human.

>>139376241
Because most of the good things in the quran were taken out of the bible. Also other sources, like the gnostic texts, infancy gospels, etc. A massive bit of plagiarism.

>>139376276
>Jesus was tempted by the devil.

So you admit that your god can be tempted by Satan?
And it doesn't bother you to worship a Jew, a great one, as God almighty? Damn son

>>139376124
If you someone used advanced technology or drugs to manipulate your mind they could make you believe anything they want too.

>>139376257
You could not stand on your own two feet before the Almighty.

I have the honor of calling Him Abba, Father.

What kind of coward are you, to not appropriate this for yourself?

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>>139376241
Mohammed was a literal pedophile who molested and raped a 9 year old. I don't care what universe you live in, that's an abomination. That's a sick perversion.

If you don't know the story of Mohammed, this is what happened: one time when he was out traveling, Mohammed stopped by and rested in a cave. While he was inside the cave, an "angel from heaven" named Gabriel (how convenient to name him after one of the few angels in the Bible that's actually named) flew in, grabbed him by the throat and spit in his face, "TEACH THIS UNTO THE MASSES AND DO IT NOW!!!"

Mohammed got scared and started doing it. Throughout the rest of his life, Mohammed kept being visited by the "angel" who told him to do various things, for example, raid the trade caravans that went to Mecca and murder the travelers along the road. Mohammed had previously been banished from Mecca for trying to start a violent cult.

After Mohammed gained a large following, he taught a handful of people about his visions, and told them to write it down, which they did. After Mohammed died, they all started fighting about who should compile the "collected Quran" into a single book. They eventually created a version of the Quran, but kept on fighting, and eventually someone named Uthman (who never knew Mohammed) burned all surviving copies of the Quran and wrote a new one -- that all Muslims use today.

Meanwhile the Bible teaches that NO OTHER GOSPEL, not even if it is preached by an "ANGEL FROM HEAVEN" is true.

It's generally understood that Mohammed met Satan in the cave, or he just made the whole thing up.

desu

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>>139376074
Why would I love somebody who's damned thousands of clueless pre-Christianity innocents to hell?
I would honestly rather burn than kiss up to somebody like that

>>139376295
Yes, and known before the creation of the world. So, forethoughtcrime.

>>139376348
then go perish, you piece of shit.
as atheist your life is worthless anyway and nothing awaits you beyond that.

>>139376326
Because God is light.

Because God divides the night and the day.

Because God can tell time without a sun.

So can someone help me with these questions? I would appreciate it, thank you.

What makes Christianity more valid than other, much older religions, such as Zoroastrianism?

Why do European churches ignore the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilee, and the Book of Giants? All of these are accepted as canon by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and the Coptic church, but Occidental Christians do not include these books in their Bible.

Why is God characterized as masculine?

Why do European Christian churches ignore the Greek Septuagint?

How can you be sure the teachings of the Bible you read is in fact the original Bible, given all the revisions, omissions by the ecumenical council and various individuals?

>>139376545
Read the very next sentence.

The devil tempted Jesus, and at no point was Jesus ever tempted to give in to those temptations.

>>139376587
>Mohammed was a literal pedophile who molested and raped a 9 year old.

Only sunnis believe that, and even their sources are contradictory, not to mention that the hadith were written 200 years after his death

give demonstrable and testable evidence for the existence of specifically the christian god without using anecdotal evidence, using the bible to prove itself or breaking a logical fallacy.

>>139376563
I am actually protected from such things.

>>139376673
Then why even create a sun?

>>139376637
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>139376618
People damn themselves to hell.

If you love them, try to get them to change their minds.

>>139376490
>Because most of the good things in the quran were taken out of the bible

Always the same bullshit, "muh plagiarism". The jewish and christian tribes in the Arabian peninsula didn't have the Bible at Muhammad's time. But sure, an illiterate merchant was going to plagiarize the Bible bc muh Satan.

EVEN if, just like christianity, Islam teaches that Jesus (as) is going to be the one who defeats Satan.
Satan is basically doing everything to uncover his plans then? You're dense. Get over it.

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>>139376640
>He thinks his beliefs shape reality.
Enjoy your afterlife, anon. Hope you have a good time.

>>139376587
Mohammed was a fucking creep, you're right

>>139376326
>The only thing this implies is that the bible is contradicting itself.
The Bible has no contradictions. Are you serious? It says he made the "lights" in the firmament, which means the stars in the universe. The light existed before that, the Bible is clear that light existed before that. He created the sun for us to divide day from night. Just read your Bible. Goodness gracious.

>How do you know they were guided by the Holy Ghost?
Because the Bible says it can not be destroyed.

>>139375095
Do I have to believe it?

>>139376618
Well if you follow the vision of hell laid out by Virgil, the virtuous pagans were in hell but not truly suffering. Just kind of bummed. I think Christians believe that the virtuous pagans/ pre Christians were saved by Christ's sacrifice though.

>>139376587

She wasn't 9, you just fell for a fabricated hadith that contradicts Islamic dates, coming back from a senile man.

But hey, even if he did, why does it bother you? I mean the Bible says that Isaac married Rebecca when she was 3 so what's your problem?

Just leave the "Satan" thing out, it's the most dense thing I've ever heard, at least says that it is falsehood.

>>139376739
>Only sunnis believe that
No, I don't. And many of us don't. It's fabricated Hisham ibn Urwa.

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>>139373759
Why are you ok with worshipping YHWH? It's a god that created us for the sole purpose of having inferior beings witness him. If it wasn't for the Serpent you wouldn't even have a proper soul.

What are the benefits of accepting Christ? And I don't mean in afterlife. Is it better than living your life as an atheist in any way?

>>139376859
The Quran says it is the confirmation of the Torah. Unfortunately it contradicts almost everything in the Torah, so it cannot possibly be the Word of God. Not to mention how warped and perverted it is.

Well fuck, Jesus was basically tempted by Satan in the NT but christcucks don't have any doubts about the "Jesus is God" thing?

Wow, denial level over 9000

>>139376583
guess what, i stood up.
you have the mental capacity of a dicksucker, call your jewlord daddy all you want.
>What kind of coward are you, to not appropriate this for yourself?
are you legit retarded? you wouldn't know what bravery means if it hit you in the head.
you want me to submit to a foreign religion, how fucking jewish can one be and not realize it?

>>139377007
>16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17

Here it is written, brown on pink, on the fourth day he made the sun, the stars and the moon

>Just read your Bible.

I will buy one in due time

>Because the Bible says it can not be destroyed.

But isn't that circular reasoning?

Hello i literally cannot stop thinking about sucking dicks. And even that is if I can tear myself away from my dildos.
What do?

>>139376739
it doesnt matter who believes it, the fact is is that he did it. he fucked a 9 yr old

>>139376674
Because Jesus really is God, and really did rise from the dead. Zoroastrianism is just a persian who read the tanakh, the Jewish scriptures as they were, in the Babylonian captivity, and believed them. And started his own Judaism/pagan fire god cult.

Enoch was not written by Enoch, Jubilees was written after 400 BC when God stopped talking to the Hebrews, and Giants is a gnostic work. None of them were inspired by God. They may be interesting, but they are not scripture.

Because Jesus called God His Father, and because Jesus is a man.

Maybe they're trying to minimize the prophecies of Daniel, like the Jews do. It's hard to trivialize Daniel when his prophecies are so right on the mark, and translated more than a century prior to their fulfillment.

I can be sure it's close, like 99.5% close, and I can be sure the Holy Spirit in me will never lead me astray. There are thousands, no, tens of thousands of manuscripts, and letters, and writings, that can all be textually criticized back to the original autographs, which themselves are inerrant.

>>139376739
So nothing about Mohammad or his life is credible.

>>139377199
>Unfortunately it contradicts almost everything in the Torah
Absolutely not, especially in terms of teachings and theology.
The only ones contradicting the Torah's teachings are Christians, justifying it with "muh OT" "muh old laws" even though Jesus said that the Law of Moses IS NOT abrogated.
>h-he said until h-he fulfills the prophecy
But he didn't, since fulfilling the prophecy include the establishment of the kingdom of God

Christcucks worship a dead jew and a jew God.
The Norse pantheon and the Greek/Roman pantheon are parrallels. Same with the Slavic Gods, Vedic Gods and the Celtic Gods.
Thor = Zeus = Perun = Indra
Indo european religion is best religion for Whites, as it is exlusive to Europeans!

>>139377081
Almost all hadith are pure fabrication. It is better to reject them all

>>139377081
No Muslim denies that Mohammed married a 6 year old and raped her at 9. The Quran even contains verses about how to divorce pre-pubescent children. It's fucked up.

The Bible says to take a woman who has passed the flower of her age. Pedophilia is an Islamic practice. Not God's word.

>>139376794
To convert energy from counterspace and enable life on planet earth.

The Father could not stay here and light us up; to see Him is to die. Looking at His glory through the sun is enough to blind.

>>139377196
Yes, when you live in Christ you feel like a better person, and God will bless your life.

>>139376811
Your sins were known to God before He made the world.

And He chose to love you, and to die on a cross to forgive them, and, if you want, accept you into His family.

>>139377269
He didn't give in though, since He is God. You can be tempted, but you don't have to give in.

>>139376859
Mohammad wrote nothing.

>>139377435
KEK.
Doesn't ring a bell?

>>139377013
God reads the hearts of men.

You can believe it, because it is true.

Ask the Holy Spirit for help; He will help you.

>>139376074
>sends you to a place where you endure a varying level of suffering, given no clear purpose or understanding of anything
>gives you rulebook he made knowingly impossible to follow as punishment for the sins of your great x 900000 grandparent, making sure to give you natural desires and thoughts that contradict the rules and ensure you get sent to eternal torture
>expects you not only to love him but to worship him, be willing to sacrifice your children and family for him
>basically become the ultimate cuck

>>139373759
>atheists welcome to accept Christ. We will debate you.

ok

prove god exists, the burden of proof is on you

>>139377334
>Here it is written
Yes, I am very familiar that God created the sun and the moon to GOVERN the light and the dark. Are you dense?

>But isn't that circular reasoning?
Of course it's circular, all religious beliefs are circular. That's why it's called FAITH.

>>139377441
Ancient Greeks accepted Christianity because it made more sense philosophically
Only the plebs were Polytheists, the philosophers and the Ancient Greek priests were Monotheist who based their faith on the Uknown God (who in turn is the Christian God)
Stop being a fucking retard, and stop appropriating my culture wh*tey

>>139377379
No it's not, these so called historical accounts were written 200 years after his death. Just because someone believes it, doesn't make it true. You are picking one account out of several contradictory ones from an unreliable sources from religious fanatics
>>139377435
Nothing but the few things that are written about it in the Quran

>>139377454
True. And Islam would be better off practiced by Quranists than practiced with the hadith.

>>139377497
I do, and the other Muslim in this thread does too so what?
And the pedophile thing, seriously? I've heard that shit so many times, are you going ot display every shitty misconceptions like that?

Also, Jesus was still tempted by Satan, but you sitll thinks he is God?

>>139377081
>Isaac married Rebecca when she was 3

chapter and verse please

>>139377148
The devil, the serpent, is a liar, a thief, and a murderer.

>>139377269
Being tempted is not sin.

The devil tempted Jesus does not mean that Jesus was tempted to give in to what the devil was offering.

Tempted, without being tempted.

>>139377302
You haven't seen Him yet. Have patience.

>>139377588
so god made man flawed knowing he'd sin regardless of the fact he is more than willing to send anyone who does sin into a pit of fire

>>139377617
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>God can be tempted by satan but don't have to give in

The only fact that your God can be tempted by Satan is already a big proof that he can't be God. Come on man don't be silly, we're talking about Satan's temptation, you reduce your god as a human by giving to him the ability to be tempted by Satan? It's full blasphemy

>>139373759
christ-chan is a qt

>>139373759
Why do white people blindy follow Jew-us Christ from Sand-Niggeria?

>>139377497
>No Muslim denies that Mohammed married a 6 year old and raped her at 9
Many sunnis believe it
>The Quran even contains verses about how to divorce pre-pubescent children.
this is false

>>139377697
If you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him.

>>139373759
I am an atheist

>>139377704
The universe God made proves the existence of God.

God is a title; that title means "Creator".

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Real Christian, aka Catholic, checking in. Probably too late, but fuck it.

>>139377847
"Hey, I'm gonna give you free will. You can either choose to be with me or not"

*chooses not to*

"WHY'D YOU THROW ME DOWN HERE?!"

>>139377903
Galileans were considered non-Jews by all Jews

>>139377823
>Being tempted is not sin.

AND LMAO? SO WHAT?
To you God, the msot Perfect, the Eternal can be TEMPTED by Satan? But it's ok as long as he doesn't sin? Are you fucking crazy?

How can you trust a god who can be tempted by pure evil?
Your God is clearly not the Abrahamic one.

>>139377437
>Absolutely not, especially in terms of teachings and theology.
Yes, it does. It says divorce is fine, it says you can marry children, it says polygamy is fine. Meanwhile, the Bible says that NO OTHER GOSPEL THAN THE ONE TAUGHT BY CHRIST'S APOSTLES IS THE TRUE GOSPEL. NOT EVEN IF AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN TEACH ANOTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU! He is a liar.

Of course the laws of the Torah still apply today. The only laws that don't apply are the ones that Christ explicitly abolished, such as the Sabbath, filth foods, holidays, etc. Only fools believe that the Old Law is completely done away with. Silliness. Stop using straw man arguments.

>>139377722
I wouldn't even go that far.

>>139377697
a) Heaven and Hell are actually the same place.
b) The Bible isn't a rulebook, it's a history compendum.
c) Sodomy and pornography aren't natural desires by any possible sane measure of things.

Try again.

>>139378013
>aka Catholic
Good one

>>139377847
No, God made man "good". To God's standards.

>>139378013
>Real Christian, aka Catholic

>Filtered

>>139378018
Which is why the place of Jesus' birth, Bethlehem, is more important than where He grew up or where He began His ministry.

>>139377557
That sounds quite neutral to me. I'm sorry if I sound too materialistic, because I am, but how can a blessing help me? Will it get me a promotion at work if I pray, is it some kind of "meme magic" where you start believing that random events are sent to you by the Gods or is it something touchable? How does it work?

>>139378072
I know, it is a good religion, isn't it.

I'm also open to Lutherans, Orthodox, and (((Judaism))) as being legitimate religions. Among others, but those are the only ones specifically.

>>139374611
>i am the light
>>139374749
The Bible has no equal, but what about hindu/paganism makes you put it on a pedestal ?
>>139374595
Existence
>>139375050
>children sometimes die therefore no God
let's ignore every miracle of this creation and focus on death?

>>139378018
But Jew-us Chrysler wasn't a Galilean

>>139378026
Yes, satan can tempt Jesus.

Satan: Here, Jesus, have a bite of this sin cake.
Jesus: No.

At no point was Jesus tempted to take a bite of the sin cake.

If you don't get this, I'm going to have to get crayons and MS Paint and draw stick figures.

>>139377718
>Yes, I am very familiar that God created the sun and the moon to GOVERN the light and the dark. Are you dense?
Are you suggesting that they are not actually the sources of light? Let us stay civil please
Proverbs 12:18
"There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing."

>>139378048
>a) Heaven and Hell are actually the same place.

>>139378034
No it doesn't. God in the Torah is purely monotheistic, purely Unitarian, just like in Islam (the tawhid)

So to you, you can trust Jews (no /pol/ jewing meme intended) writing a gospel but you can't trust Gabriel giving God's word to a man?

So how do you trust the fact that Gabriel talked to Mary (as)?

>>139377959
What? Hey let me ask you a question, and please answer this honestly- deep down is your devotion to God and worship of him because of hownmuch you love him- or do you love him because of how much you're afraid of him, and of death

>>139377724
>Jesus was still tempted by Satan
Keep lying, liar. Mohammed admitted that he thought the "angel" was Satan. He even wanted to kill himself by throwing himself off a rock. At one point, Mohammed even walked back some revelations, claiming it was actually Satan speaking to him.

Turn to Christ and you will see eternity in heaven. Even if your wicked religion was real, you would never see heaven because there is no way you could ever follow the laws in that wicked book to the last letter. You don't have a savior, you're going to hell!

>>139378088
how do i obtain a mental gymnasium like yours
why would God give man free will to sin and deem it as 'good' standard when he'll ree for all eternity if you use even an ounce of it

>>139378273
The moon clearly is not a source of light.

The sun, less clearly, is also not a source of light.

>>139378287
Elohim.

A plural word to describe the One God.

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>>139374656
This is a fool, do not listen to fools.
>What did I do? I have never killed nor stolen, and I try to stay out of other people's business generally

You need to accept Jesus into your heart, and then do your best to live you life as he, you will fail, you will never succeed, that's ok- he died for our sins, we wants us to accept him as our savior and be humble and ask forgiveness. Start their my friend. Also, want a sweet life hack? listen to the Bible on adiobook (or read it) for 15 min a day. It will improve your life 10 fold, and essentially, make you {sort yourself out} in a great healthy way.

>>139378228
>Arabic "education"

>>139374036
In case any of you wonders, you know someone is a born-Orthodox Christian with Orthodox ancestry if he comes from following countries:
Serbia
Romania
Bulgaria
Greece
Macedonia (but not all since it has a lot of Albanians and they are Muslim)
Russia
Belarus
Ukraine

>>139378216
>also, the sun is older than the earth, which means the plants must have been floating around in space

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>>139378379
>The sun is not a source of light
>being this dense
>which, ironically, is why the sun creates light

>>139378000
actually we dont know how the universe started, planck time is the farthest we can look back. Even if we somehow found out a being created the universe, how would we even know its specifically the christian god, and not any of the other 4000 gods created by humans?

>>139377892
Well, Jesus did incarnate as a man, but since He has a dual nature(100% human, 100% God) He didn't give into the temptations.

>>139378316
Oh, wow, as you probably guessed, those things are all tangled up.

Devotion to God? I don't know that I would lay claim to that. It implies some sort of ability to me that I probably don't have.

How can I not love the man who saved my life?

>>139374207
>Using fear to attract people towards christianity

What a fuckin snake. Here is a real argument

>Is a man most noble when sacrificing for his loved ones? If so, is a man not noble when sacrificing his worldly pleasures for his highest love- his creator?

>>139378258
>Yes, satan can tempt Jesus.

So Satan can tempt God to you?

Satan: Here, Jesus, have a bit of this sin cake
Jesus: I really want to, but no I won't.

The "I really want to" part fucks all things up. Sorry mate.

When you are TEMPTED, you're feeling TEMPTATION.
God (swt) can NOT feel any temptation from the evil.

>>139378205
When you trust in Christ, the Holy Spirit will indwell you, and God will literally be with you all the time. You will feel the blessing of God on your life, and you will become a better person. Sometimes God will bless you with particular things that you would not otherwise have seen. But ultimately, eternal life is the greatest gift.

>>139378511
This 100%

When I became Catholic that was the hardest for me to grasp. Just like communion, where it's both fully bread and wine and fully Jesus, Jesus himself was fully human and fully God.

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lol, Christ cucks...

>>139378338
God made mankind "Good" in God's standards. That included agency.

Same with angels. And both men and angels used their agency to cease being good, and to become evil.

God, knowing this from before creation, obviously weighed the costs and benefits of going forward with the creation, found the benefits outweighed the costs, and proceeded.

Your one job is to be a benefit to God, and not a cost.

>>139376113
Right now i"m in a place where I consider myself a fellow traveler with the faith for pretty much what you just described. I believe in the morality and I have more in common with the faithful than with those who aren't.

I'm a lot kinder toward the idea of faith and religion than I once was. There's shit I've thought about that makes me think about something being bigger than us. I don't know if the God we believe Him to be is the God He really is or whatever, but I feel like there's something.

Right now I guess I'm an optimistic agnostic. I dunno where I'll be down the line.

>>139378405
It's called the majestic plural and it's often used for worldly authorities as well
>>139378379
Pretty sure the sun is a source of light. Where does the sun's light actually come from according to you?

>>139378478
True, but by the same token if someone not from one of those countries claims they're Orthodox (or more often than not, claims that Orthodox is the "best" because they know they're not actually Orthodox), then they're probably full of shit.

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>>139373759
I'am an atheist but I've lost my trust in secularism, it degrades the society and destroys the social order. What do?

>>139378273
Are you suggesting light did not exist on the earth before the sun was created, even though the Bible says so? God chose to make the sun the governor of light for man's sake.

>>139378435
Maybe highlight and read all my posts, and then re-read the one you tagged.

>>139378599
But he was both human and God. So therefore, He could.

Islam is stupid because in Islam it says “if there are brothers and sisters, the male will have twice the share of the female” [an-Nisa’ 4:176] a woman's worth is half of a mans............ according to islam

>>139378337
>Keep lying, liar

So your Bible is a lie? I mean the fact that Jesus was tempted by Satan is in your Bible mate, not my Quran.
The killing self thing isn't even part of the hadith and is daeef as hell and Muhammad could make the difference from Satan's whispers and a Godly revelation.

Jesus is not your savior, he wasn't God, he was a prophet of God, don't justiry yourself or try to attract me with beautiful words. A savior cannot be a savior if evil can win over him.

>>139378479
The plants were created on the earth, and God is light.

I think you keep missing that point.

God is light.

And the first thing God created is light.

>>139378671
based christians letting in based muslims!

>>139378506
Aye, you think the sun is a big fire ball in the sky.

It's actually a converter. Less obvious, I know.

>>139378671
Oh, wow, I didn't know the Pope's word was equal to God's word.

Oh wait, it isn't except when he's giving mass.

Shut the fuck up, you know nothing.

>>139378287
>God in the Torah is purely monotheistic
"And God said, Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26).

God is a trinity in the Torah.

>>139378673
how can mankind be 'good' to gods standard if we can rape, genocide, run amok, kill, slaughter and do whatever we want thanks to the free will he imparted onto us
if anything we're broken

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>>139376674
>What makes Christianity more valid than other, much older religions, such as Zoroastrianism?

It's consistency with reality. I'm not sure what else to say here.

>Why do European churches ignore the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilee, and the Book of Giants? All of these are accepted as canon by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and the Coptic church, but Occidental Christians do not include these books in their Bible.

Akin to the Orthodox, they have churches that came about using books before the Biblical canon was officially established and they like to keep how they were and the rest of their denomination accommodates them despite supporting the council that decided the canon.

>Why is God characterized as masculine?

It's a way of understanding God's role to us. It's a masculine, fatherly one.

>Why do European Christian churches ignore the Greek Septuagint?

They don't.

>How can you be sure the teachings of the Bible you read is in fact the original Bible, given all the revisions, omissions by the ecumenical council and various individuals?

For different denominations, this answer would be different. As a Catholic what is considered canon is declared by the church's authority - the same authority from God by which the canon is written.

>>139377704
Sure.

First part of the three part post is here.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131772047/#131776144

Format is:

>overview of theistic concepts
>proof itself
>closing comments and response to common criticisms

>>139378599
Jesus, not God. Jesus is a human and has human desires. However, as the incarnation of God, Jesus has total self-control over his desires and does not partake.

>>139378509
Because the one true God would prove Himself to be the one true God.

>>139377401
Thank you for the answer, you seem to be the only one here capable of civility.

I have issue with some of you answers, however.

1. You say that Jesus is God, but from what I understand this was first definitively stated by the Council of Nicea, several centuries after the death of Christ. Older Christian sects, such as the Arian, firmly believe that since Christ was created by God he was subordinate to him. Christ himself never claimed divinity in the Bible, only that he was the son of God. You seem sure that Christ is God. This does not seem to me to be something one can be so sure of, as whether Christ is divine or not comes down to a shouting match between two groups of mortal men, neither of which can concisely prove their point without resorting to interpretation of text.

2. I don't see how you can be so sure of the authorship of the Book of Enoch, given it's age and the scant documentation surrounding it. If you can concisely demonstrate the invalidity of the Book's alleged authorship, I would appreciate it.

3. Yeah I guess that makes sense. It still seems odd to me to attribute gender to a omnipotent and ecumenical divine force.

Thank you! I myself am not a Christian, but a Jain. Still, I greatly enjoy theological research.

Islam is also fucking stupid and backward because it's permitted to hit one's wife. “As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

>>139375706
>Oh and by the way, Jesus (pbuh) was tempted by Satan in the desert, so your god can basically be tempted by Satan. Interesting. Fuck outta here

Jesus was a man, with the limitations of man, living in the flesh of a world of sin. No.Shit.Satan.Tried.To.Derail.Him.

No offense man, but you need to read the bible before you go quoting out of context insanity.

>>139378762
>But he was both human and God. So therefore, He could.

Lmao, are you aware of what you're posting mate?
Do you realize that now by saying this you're contradicting the Holy Trinity?

>He was both human and God so therefore He could be tempted by Satan
Astaghfirullah. Pure blasphemy. So what? Your God is still divided in three and has a human part. So that means that a part of God can be tempted by Satan. Wow

>>139378460
Wait, fairy-tales are education now?

>>139378810
>Believing in the Quran
>putting some dude above God himself (aka Jesus)
>people unironically believe this shit

>>139378876
It's converting what into what? Energy into light. Therefore, creating light.

Ya cunt.

>>139378562
It's the truth... I wouldn't use that when sou-winning.

>>139375719
So God cares more about what we think of him than about what sort of people we are, what actions we take and how we choose to live our life? One can be an evil heartless bastard his whole life but become a Christian on his deathbed and he will make it into heaven, yet one who is a kind and merciful person all his life, but is not a Christian will go to hell? Where is the justice there? Where is the fairness? Where is the mercy? If your religion is true, then God must care more about his own ego than about any of us .

>>139378739
>even though the Bible says so?
And this is where we begin to disagree. You cannot expect to convince someone in a debate using circular reasoning. Do you at least have any proof apart ffrom the bible that proves that the sun is not the source of light?
>there is no way you could ever follow the laws in that wicked book to the last letter.
how so?

>>139378890
>"And God said, Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26).

Where the fuck does that mean "ayyyy I'm divided in three man"?
Numbers 13:19 "God is not a man"

>>139378671
this is why I respect muzzies more than Chr*stians

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>>139378717
Read books and listen to views that also reject secularism. We can provide such books.

>>139377903
Because they are weak.The Abrahamic religions promise easy to get and very nice rewards.

But there are alternatives, we have Asa-chan if someone start drawing pictures of her.

>>139378228
oh shit do the refugees in sweden now have access to internet?

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>>139373759
nice spook faggots

>>139378283
I'm grossly simplifying, but I can make an analogy to explain. A place without stupefying drugs, pornography and sodomy would be hell to you but heaven to a sane person.

Heaven is a place (or, rather, state) of being in unity with God. Atheists, Muslims and other satan worshippers cannot bear unity with God and will flee to a godless place. A godless place is Hell by another name.

>>139379151
Belief in spooks is a spook, faggot.

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>>139378898
>consitency with reality
>christianity

>>139378969
>Jesus was a man, with the limitations of man

But he was God at the same time brother, right?

>>139379006
>Believing that God is man that can be tempted by Satan
>Aka being tempted by pure evil
>people unironically believe this shit

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>>139376048
>Your non-monotheistic cult is blasphemy

You confuse the times god came to earth in the form of a human in the OT and Jesus(God limiting himself to the weaknesses of man), massive fucking difference.

>>139378898
>It's consistency with reality

Can you elaborate on this cryptic statement? I am not sure what you mean by this.

>>139378810
>the fact that Jesus was tempted by Satan is in your Bible mate
Nope, not anywhere. Why are you lying to our faces?

>he was a prophet of God
Jesus was the son of God. He was God manifested in the flesh. That's what the Bible says. Anyway, the Quran is just ripping random doctrine from the Bible to appease Christians. Like how you believe in the virgin birth but not original sin, lol. It's actually hilarious to just pick stuff from the Quran, because it teaches so many absurd things. No wonder Mohammed lived such a wicked life.

>>139378995
I should specify, he was both the Son and Human.

I mean, it's in the Bible.

>>139379151
spooks hold societies together

>>139379137
>books
what books?

I can think of 10 reasons why Islam should be seen as the evilest despicable creation...Islam is terrible

>>139379281
Congratulations, you went full mental gymnastics.

It was in the NT that Jesus was tempted by Satan, don't hmu with OT bullshit man.

>>139375363
Why would God let Satan do this? If he is all powerful then he could have destroyed Satan already, why would he just stand by and watch as millions of his people are deceived? It doesn't seem like he really cares all that much.

>>139378934
>Jain
didnt know these still existed

>>139375640
>be a Christ denying jew
>but i hate jews
>>139375706
>Jesus pbuh
This is blasphemy. God deserves glorification, not your fake pity. You do not pray to God, you pray to idols in mecca and molloc. You disgust me, you are not of the seed of Abraham, but of satan.
>>139375822
Shia and Sunni both stand condemned before God. Accept Christ son.
>>139375954
The Holy Spirit is a gift to his sons. You've never know God or prayed to him once, you pray to a false idol like the jew you are.

>>139378619
I don't really get it and don't understand the concept of holy spirit and being blessed, I mean if I wanted to become a better person, I'd join a gym or go to language lessons and didn't ask God. I'm probably hopelessly atheist. But thank you for your answers.

>>139378921
"Zeus can prove to himself that he exists."

Does that statement mean Zeus exists? lol

might wanna read through the fallacies on the pinned thread of /pol/ before making more arguments

>>139379227
Okay, well, at least Jesus isn't a pedophile warlord who preached death and destruction.

It's perfectly fine for him to have beat his 6 year old wife Aisha.

Oh, sorry, he only consumated the marriage when she was nine. What a guy!

The most Jesus killed was some tree, and he didn't even fuck anyone. Especially not kids.

>>139379303
>I should specify, he was both the Son and Human.
So what? The Son is a part of God, and he walked on Earth as a human to you so...

>>139379417
Sure, this is what the pagans told to every abrahamic prophet about their monotheism.

>>139379450
People are only deceived when they want to be deceived. Demons are weak creatures, weaker than any man when in his healthy state.

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>MFW considering becoming a Unitarian

>>139379072
>You cannot expect to convince someone in a debate using circular reasoning.
That's why religion is called "faith".

>Do you at least have any proof apart ffrom the bible that proves that the sun is not the source of light?
Yes. Light exists outside of the sun. All light does not come from the sun. Light is something completely different. The fact that God made the sun the governor of light for mankind's sake and to divide night from day in cycles, is something completely different. The Bible is clear that light existed before God made the sun the governor of day. Goodness gracious

>how so?
Because all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

>>139379146
Money to Internet is included in social warefare here in Sweden, one cannot live without it. Not even refugees.

>>139379145
>Because they are weak.
Yet we conquered almost all of mankind, including your little pagan cults?

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Sorry Christfag, but Christianity is illusory, it's a necessary illusion for the sake of traditionalist culture/white identity in service of nationalism, but that's it. You need only be a cultural Christian. When it comes to actual theology, I'm afraid that there's too many contradictions, paradoxes and blatant discrepancies that no intelligent person would fall for.

Sorry, but get your head out of your ass, use Christianity for it's cultural/political strengths instead of wasting your time bible bashing.

>>139374207
That makes me want to cum in her hair.

>>139373759
> Debate

Don't throw pearls to the pods, op.

>>139379482
>This is blasphemy. God deserves glorification, not your fake pity. You do not pray to God, you pray to idols in mecca and molloc. You disgust me, you are not of the seed of Abraham, but of satan.

God deserves to be God and not a Jewish prophet who was tempted by Satan.

you're the one committing blasphemy here by saying that God can be tempted by pure evil aka Satan.
And Muhammad destroyed the idols in Makkah because of Abrahamic monotheism.
You're the one who's not worshipping the Abrahamic God. and you let your anger speaks over your rationality.

>>139379558
and what? , I still have reasons

>>139379450
>If he is all powerful then he could have destroyed Satan already, why would he just stand by and watch as millions of his people are deceived? It doesn't seem like he really cares all that much.
HE told you exactly what to do and how to act to get out of this kerfluffle easy-peazy. You refuse and blame HIM when all goes to shit.

>>139379482
>you pray to idols
Hey, we are not the ones building statues of the God we worship, also, I condemn touching the black stone, I think it is an invention
>like the jew you are
Hey, the Tanakh is part of your Bible not my Quran

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>>139373759
>being atheist in 2017
Even if you dont believe in them literally, the pagan gods and what they represent are desirable to emulate and cherish. Raise things like courage and bravery, honor and loyalty, strength and self reliance up as your gods.

Wotan will save us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzEG3DLWcvU

Christians BTFO

>>139379812
Man they are crazy, the even justify the fact that their god (Jesus pbuh) can be tempted by Satan by saying that as long as he doesn't fall for the sin, it's ok even if he was under temptation.

>>139379558
Okay, so you're accusing me of blaspheming, when you're the one claiming that not only Jesus is NOT the Son, but that he was therefore lying about it, since he did kind of say that he was.

Either he was lying and we shouldn't worship him AT ALL (muslims say he was a prophet, although it makes sense considering they follow Muhammad who was one of the most prolific liars of his time), or he wasn't lying and therefore Muhammad is a liar (which he is anyway), and you shouldn't be a Muslim.

No matter how you slice it, Islam is a false religion.

>>139379629
That's the equivalent of throwing a handful of flour into a puddle and calling it "bread".

>>139376113
>>139378695
I felt the same way for a long time, then something just sort of changed for me one day. Just give it time, I think if you're at least open to God, he has a way of getting through to you before you die in some way or other.

>>139379647
outside of religion, is faith a reliable method of determining whether something is true?

>>139379961
A friend tells me I gotta just talk to God and that I can do it anywhere. If I ever do, I'm going to go to a church. When I need to talk to someone, I go to THEM.

>>139379916
I wouldn't even say crazy. People generally don't like to change their opinions unfortunately.

>>139377018
Fanfiction - even Old fanfiction - has no place in canon.

>>139373759
So what the fuck do I do if I believe in God, but choose not to be Bible-believing other than as a source of good morals because I read too much textual analysis of Bible in college to believe it's the word of God over lots of men's words about God?

>>139379462
We were here before the sons of Abraham and we shall remain long after.

>>139379728
> who was tempted by Satan.

Show me that in the Bible, coward.

>>139379927
>jesus wasn't a liar
>hey ill finger point and call muhammad the liar
>if jesus isn't a liar, that makes muhammad a double liar!

>check mate, muslims!

Fuck Islam, but holy shit your argumentation is awful.

>>139379961
The Holy part of Jesus wasn't tempted whatsoever, and that's why Jesus didn't fall for Satan's tricks. The human part was. Jesus experienced the inner struggle humans face constantly. I don't see what's wrong with that.

It's like claiming Jesus couldn't have felt pain on the cross since he was also God. Yeah, but he was still human at the same time.

>>139373759
Do you believe in every story of the Bible, including the Old Testament, word for word?

>>139376048
You should reread it, because thats not what it says. Christ is blameless.
>>139376074
Christ is King, these fools will bend the knee.
>>139376113
You lack humility. The next time your atheistic depression has you in pieces, ask for his help in prayer, even if you think it not answered. Atheist pride causes your spiritual blindness

>>139379971
In some cases, yes. For example, the Bible is the ultimate authority on everything, so when examining reality, reality will always conform with what the Bible says.

>>139380153
So Jesus had an unholy part?

>>139379927
So now you're twisting my words and comforting yourself by saying that submitting to the abrahamic God is falsehood bc you don't want to face the fact that your God can be tempted by Satan in your own book

I don't say Jesus was lying, Jesus was truthful, but Jesus wasn't God, end of story. God cannot be tempted by pure evil.

Jesus was born, Jesus walked on earth, Jesus ate, breathe, was tempted by evil but faced it and won over it because of his prophethood.

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>>139380202
Just cross-examine other historical texts and find out for yourself, boyo

just think no burqas, and all the pretty faces of Muslim women we could see.

>>139376460
Spotted the Confederate; still not impressed, kid.

>>139380294
His bepis. The bepis is unholy.

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>>139379205
Come at me.

>>139379292
Divine Conservation - the core argument that brings about western theistic thought - is true. That through a life of self-giving and willing the good of the other without self-interest we come into virtue and strength is entirely true. Stuff of the sort. General arguments for the validity of Christianity flow like this but are very large arguments:

>defense for cosmology
>defense for validity of historic claims
>argument for likelihood of cosmology matching the historic claims to ultimately claim that supernatural claims are valid
>via deduction this would affirm revelation
>defense of further criticisms

>>139373759
is faith a matter of knowledge or belief

>>139380148
Here's what I'm saying.

Muhammad, many times in the Quran, tricked villagers into accepting Islam and therefore his rule. It happened several times, mostly at the beginning. That's deception and deception is a form of lying. So, no matter what, Muhammad is a liar.

They say Jesus is a prophet and they view him like we view the Saints. What my point is, is that they say Muhammad isn't a liar, but no matter what, he has to be. There's two possible scenarios. If they're right, Jesus was a liar, and therefore Muhammad shouldn't have said Jesus was a prophet, since Jesus was blaspheming against God, knowingly. If we're right, Muhammad is a liar anyway.

So no matter what scenario you go with, Muhammad is a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkyDVbxi-gk

why does God let this happen to innocent children

>>139380259
>2000 year old book
>ultimate authotiry on everything
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>139380078
At this point I think they're just not ready to admit that there's a big problem within their theology. They don't want to go out of their comfort zone

>>139380141
Mate it's in the NT when Jesus was in the desert, look it up yourself baka. That's your book.

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>>139380344

>>139380153
Stop engaging them on false premises. These are people who literally worship a human being who raped a 9 year old girl and murdered travelers. Don't expect them to understand logic or truth, they're following Satan...

>>139380430
God's word doesn't stop being God's word just because 2000 years passes by.

>>139378479
He created the heavens and light. If you defame and lie upon God's word, try being sincere or tricky like the common poo

>>139380411
>Muhammad, many times in the Quran, tricked villagers into accepting Islam and therefore his rule.

Verse number?

>>139378599
>Jesus: I really want to, but no I won't.

Things that never happened.

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Why would I bother debating? For more that just the reason of 'nothing matters on the internet' too. Here look at the formula

>Person one asks question
>You reply 'muh mofuggin bible blip blop bang bang nigga its worda god nigga das right god done did wrote dat dere book yessuh your agruement be invalid son bix nood.'
>Nothing changes

>>139380433
>Mate it's in the NT when Jesus was in the desert,
You're not gonna show it to me because it's not there, you're a lying devil worshiper who loves pedophilia. Sick.

>>139378665
Pagan nonsense.

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God save the State!


-----
1 God bless our native land!
Firm may she ever stand,
Through storm and night;
When the wild tempests rave,
Ruler of wind and wave,
Do Thou our country save
By Thy great might.

2 For her our prayers shall rise
To God, above the skies;
On Him we wait;
Thou Who art ever nigh,
Guarding with watchful eye,
To Thee aloud we cry,
God save the State.

>>139380446
>These are people who literally worship a human being who raped a 9 year old girl and murdered travelers

But we don't even worship Muhammad and he didn't rape a 9 year old girl?
Why aren't you confident with your faith? You know something isn't right mate, just be honest with yourself

>>139379692
>Counts apes in africa as a part of mankind
>Muhammad, if you say jesus i will give you this banana
>We conquered

For every strong person there are several weak. Christianity attract the weak thats all.

I want to take Christ-Chan as my lovely wife

>>139378702
Claim: God in the OT is singular.

Fact: God in the OT is Elohim, the plural of Eloha, yet used in a singular sense.

>>139380153
yeah I agree. I think god has a way of exposing himself to every individual person in their own way. its up to us to make a choice about loving him or not. when god manifested as jesus, it was kind of like entering into his own creation. pretty amazing

>>139380552
>Things that never happened.
The entire bible in one sentence.

>>139380259
>Thinking the Bible is superior to the Angas

Anon...I...

>>139380294
He had a human part. In saying "Holy", I meant the Son part of the Trinity. It's just awkward to say that.

>>139380300
Jesus said he was the son of God though, or at least implied it. He certainly didn't correct anyone when they said that He was.

He wasn't a prophet, he was the son of God, and you view Muhammad higher than you view God. That's just the truth.

You can't hurt God. Yet He suffered on the cross. How is this possible.

My point is, while on Earth, Jesus experienced what humans experience, including temptation. That's an integral struggle that humans face.

>>139378702
Counterspace aka the third heaven.

Keep thinking the sun is a yellow ball of fire, pleb.

>>139380411
"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me." -- Jesus Christ, Luke 19:27.

I guess Christ was better, he didn't need to trick people to following him when he could just threaten them lmao.

>>139378717
Repent, and be saved.

>>139380552
>Jesus: tempted,
>definition of tempted : under temptation.
>Jesus was under Satan's temptation, even if he resisted

God doesn't need to "resist" Satan. God isn't affected by Satan.

>>139380570
>you're a lying devil worshiper who loves pedophilia. Sick.
Name calling is a sign of the weakness of your faith

>>139378882
>except when he's giving mass.

And not even then.

>>139380411
>If they're right, Jesus was a liar
Only if we assume that the modern bible stayed unchanged

>>139379728
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4%3A1-11
Not tempted, but rather, offered to make a deal.
He refused, by the way.

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atheists will soon see the day of the rope. your godlessness has regressed humanity to its tribal days, where sex means nothing and male child rearing is non-existant. we need the church to push these social ideals in order to maintain our modern society. without them we will see it all collapse, starting with any semblance of families.

>>139378892
Because we ceased being good, being filled with the Holy Spirit of God, the Breath of Life, when Adam sinned. And died.

We're made in their fallen, sinful and dead image.

Becoming a Christian is undoing that.

>>139380507
do you actually believe the Earth was created in 7 days?
where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the Word of God?
and if it does, then how does that prove that it is the Word of God?

>>139378898
>Jesus, not God.

Do I really need to keep calling this guy a pagan?

>>139380591
No, he didn't rape her, he just dicked her after marrying and beating her. Sorry.

>>139380644
Exactly what I'm saying. They're acting as if it's a bad thing, but humans experience temptation all the time. God himself wasn't tempted. Jesus was, and by that I mean, since Jesus was fully human, Jesus was able to experience everything humans could experience. He just so happened to also be God.

>>139380591
>But we don't even worship Muhammad
Oh, yes you do.

>he didn't rape a 9 year old girl
He raped his "wife" Aisha at 9 years old.

>Why aren't you confident with your faith?
The Bible is the infallible Word of God. Every single letter is truth. That's why everything in the Bible will conform with morality and reality. Being a tricky snake won't get you anywhere in life. God will not be mocked.

>>139380259
How is that so? The bible makes many claims which does not conform with reality at all. For example, how can a snake talk?

>>139379971
>outside of religion, is faith a reliable method of determining whether something is true?
Yes, literally everything rational in our lives must be based on some base axioms that are accepted on faith.

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>>139380413
>no replies


REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>139380718
jesus was god and man, not just god