>Feudalism = failed >Democracy = failed >Monarchism

Anonymous image board run government.

>>139355858
Globalism :^)

NatSoc again

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Monarchy never failed.

It's often an overlooked fact that thanks to the World Wars, the Jews were able to destroy the monarchies of Europe.

It's literally the most natural system because there will ALWAYS be aristocratic families vying for power. Before, with the king, that power was permanently safe.

Now, it's a competitive free market to see who can manipulate the masses the most and dumb them down so a new king can be elected behind the scenes.

We need to stop this dumb productivism, we lose so muche time were we could do more important thing.

>>139355858
Juche

>>139355858
>We need a new system guys

No.

Christian theocracy works.

>>139356035
/thread

This thread is going to piss off a lot of people.... prepare for a shitstorm..

monarchies fail, monarchism doesnt

>>139356191
state sponsored religion is an important redpill

>>139355858
White-ism
Killing all non-white will bring peace to this earth.

Anarchy has never been tried.

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>>139355858
>Communsim = failed
O really :^)

just b urself-ism

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What we need is for Richard M Nixon to return and rule the Anglo world once more

>>139355858
Well natsoc in itself didnt fail ,ot was other forces killing it because they didnt like it it didnt fall by itself like the other systems

>>139355858
Darwinism is next

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>>139355858
>Feudalism = failed
umm...no...think again sweetie...

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>>139355858
>>Feudalism = failed
>>Democracy = failed
>>Monarchism = failed
>>Fascism = failed
>>NatSoc = failed
>>Communsim = failed
>>Capitalism = failed
>>Neoliberalism = failed

Alienism, we do what the aliens asked us to do. Which is stop wars and love one another.

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>>139355858
sage

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>>139355858
>Capitalism = failed

>>139356297
Hey burger, you can come here, i can recreate USSR for you.

>>139355858
technocracy plox

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>>139356297
this is one of my gripes against National Socialism

Nazi Germany only existed for 11 years. The USSR pretty much had a massive turn around in terms of actual quality and progress, which is why some still see Stalin favorably.

However, after that little 'boom', the test of time was put upon the USSR and we actually saw the holes in the bottom of the boat.

If the USSR only lasted 11 years like Nazi Germany, I PROMISE you that it would be worshiped as fervently as Natsocs worship Nazi Germany

>>139356286
Anarchist is the moment bewteen the fall of a state et the new one, so it has been tried.

And it is disgusting.

>>139355858
White homogeneous society works that is why it is banned.

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>>139356404
It has.

>>139355858
Maybe every system is doomed to fail not because of the system but because the species designing the system is inherently flawed. Somehow human beings can't assemble a productive society that is good for all and lasts for an extended period of time. It always follows a framework of creation>implementation>productivity>contentment>discontentment>disintegration

History verifies my claim, we're doomed to repeat the cycle despite the ideology..

>>139355858
Half of the things you listed didn't fail, though.

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>>139355858
>monarchy failed

>>139356389
Wayne, you need to develop a cult of personality before you do anything major.

Have a little novelty you're known for that stands out. Get really buff and competitive in powerlifting or something and it'll make you more interesting at face value.

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>>139355858
Natsoc but purge the leftists first

>>139355858
NatSoc wouldn't have failed if it wasnt the dumb westeners.

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>>139356414
>Hohols
>Recreating a superpower

>>139355982
It will fail when "gas the kikes" gets quads.

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the only thing left to try is a star trek style society. we will have warp drive with a decade so we will need to be setup by then as a one world government. i think justin trudeau is the ideal person to lead us

>>139355858
Some of them actually never failed. Also you need to see how each system ended. Some collapsed because of themselves others ended because the whole world truned against them.

>>139355858
>monarchism
>even coming close to failing

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>>139355858
Feudalism and Monarchy is bad because you're stuck with the Aristocrat or King you get, odds are they're inbred and paranoid fucks.

Democracy is bad because there's too many useful idiots.

Fascism and NatSoc dictates too much about what you should be doing in your free time.

Communism never worked and neoliberalism is what leads to that system of mass starvation.

Capitalism is okay until lobbyists start controlling the government, then it becomes a monopoly of few ruling over the majority.


What we need is a "democracy" where only people deemed worthy of contributing to society vote. None of this everyone is equal bullshit. There is absolutely no reason that someone with no interest in politics should vote once every 4 years because all they hear on TV is that the other side is literally Hitler.

Kinda sick of that system.

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>>139356404

>>139355858
Meritocracy. Every man starts with no more than the other.

>>139355858
also fascism is a very new ideology that hasent been tried much

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>>139356701
Monarchism failed in Russia

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>>139355858
Socialism with Chinese Characteristics
Socialist Market Economics

What you're going to find is that the system is a meme. It's a fucking facade, a charade, a story we tell people to keep them lulled into complacency.

Our governments aren't ruled by systems, or laws, they are ruled by people. Power blocs of business, intellectual, and political interests; the elite class. This is the way things are, this is the way things have always been.

It doesn't matter what system you have. What matters is WHO is in charge, and what ideas they have in their heads. Your system should be designed to get the right people in positions of power, good, moral, fair people. It could be monarchy, or democracy, or whatever. As long as it works to put the right sort of people at the top of the social and political hierarchy.

>>139356023
Has NatSoc ever been tried more than once? The results were pretty good at first weren't they? If it wasn't for that nasty war and the whole genocide thing perhaps it would have continued to be successful? We should try it again.

>>139355858
>Capitalism
>failed
Fuck off faggot

>>139356751
>Feudalism and Monarchy is bad because you're stuck with the Aristocrat or King you get, odds are they're inbred and paranoid fucks.

Here's the thing you need to understand.

At least you know who is ruling you and who is always immediately accountable.

Behind the scenes of any country ever made there are secret societies, noble families, and scary cult-like groups all vying for a monopoly of power. Having a permanent position, like king, prevents any of them from secretly getting into power because the royal family is in itself a noble family/secret society.

Not to mention it's important to have a life long career. Imagine if a college grad only worked his job for 4 years and that was it. Do you think he'd be very good at it?

He needs to get experience that comes with a life time of building a legacy. Term limits are memes.

>>139355858
Hmmmm, all of mankind's attempts to rule over other men have failed.

What's the lesson here?

>>139356751
basically 1776 laws

>>139355858
>Fascism
>Failed
Hol' up, when did this happen
I was not aware of this

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>>139355858
Counter-semitism. I am a counter-semite.

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Monarchy didn't fail, m8. It's still the very best way to run an empire. After the bomb, it's what we'll all go back to for stability, too.

>>139355858
Democracy worked great for hundreds of years, we just have too many idiots are able to vote now. I suggest we have some type of democratic socialism. Screw the tax cuts we give to billion dollar companies and put that money towards healthcare and food programs. Get rid of Corn subsidies so we stop killing our own with High Fructose Corn Syrup. HFCS is one of the major killers and raises healthcare costs for all of us. The increase in the price of junk food will reduce demand for it. Also, make it illegal to buy junk food with food stamps. Make it so food stamps can only be used to buy whole foods that you have to prepare yourself.

IDGAFISM-short for I Don't Give A Fuck ism.

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>>139355858
barbarianism

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>>139356966
It literally has

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>>139355858
>Fascism = failed
>NatSoc = failed
they didn't fail, they were brought down by a zergrush organised by the jews because they were too succesful

>>139356297
>>139356489
Socialism = no guns
So fuck off.

>>139355858
Oligarchical republic - Republic of Venice
lasted over 500 years, never failed, destroyed by Napoleon - best government that ever existed

Too much capitalisme totally killed the democracy, Trump was a good surprise but he will do nothing about that, and after him same circus.

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>>139357124
?

>>139357124
I'm the 2nd guy you replied to

re-read muh post. I'm talking bad against National Socialism. I think it would be a modern day North Korea. The USSR had a boom, but existed beyond 11 years and we saw beyond the fancy advertising.

Nazi Germany only lasted 11 years so it looks like the same "progress" the USSR made.

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>>139357124
>Socialism = no guns
yeah perhaps in cucked marxism socialist

in national socialism everyone gets a gun for free and children get trained how to use and clean them in the Hitlerjugend

>>139357124
I have no problem with socialism, and even less with weaponized people.

>>139355858
NatSoc didn't fail it was destroyed by outside overwhelming force

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>>139357104
>It didn't fail per se
>It just got smashed by better systems
Hmm

>>139357312
>Natsoc pic is everyone working as brothers with no ruling entity because they're all equals

so fucking dumb.

>>139356764
Which objective parameters were used to make the chart? oh, 0.

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>>139357351
It's all thanks to Capitalist countries faggot

>>139356297
hmmm how come this doesn't happen in all capitalist society's but al the ones that were communist?

>>139357097
>What's wrong with that? The rich are making everything cheaper anyways.

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>>139355858
" Technocracy " coupled with Democracy

LOOK IT UP

Thank you OP for not being a faggot.

>>139357334
Nope. It had to forge money to stay afloat. Left to its own devices (ie no WW2) it would have collapsed before seeing out a decade. It borrowed too much, and centrally planned too much. It had an undeniably amazing effect at motivating the nation, but needed to loosen back into capitalism after three years or so. Turnips are a poor substitute for potatoes.

>>139356014
That's the plan

>>139356935
China

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>>139356389
LOVE THE TENTACLE !

>>139355858
Monarchy never failed, it just lost popularity

>Capitalism = failed
>Standing in a grocery store with loads of food thanks to capitalism

Top kek.

>>139357351
>smashed
please, if you didn't gang up on NatSoc from 3 sides with 4 superpowers at the same time it would have never been defeated.
NatSoc and fascism don't collapse on themselves they need to be destroyed

>>139357485
leeches and parasites will not be tolerated, the advancement of our Volk is the number 1 priority

also
>they're all equals
start reading about fascism burgerbro, fascism implies a national order that is important to uphold: the smartest need to go to university, women should take care of the household,...

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>>139357053
Not wrong... Kingdoms will return .

"I do not know what weapons will be used in WW3 but in WW4 , it will be sticks and stones"

>>139355858
>NatSoc

Was soaring extremely successfuly until the jealousy of banker controlled England forced war on them.

Was truly not given a chance.

>>139356035
>this

Kids play follow the leader and not follow the continental congress and house of representatives for a reason.

It makes sense to put the capable person in the country in charge...

>>139355858
Monarchy never failed, it more just faded into obscurity in favor of the new systems, which actually failed. Maybe it's time we go back.

>>139356893
By this token, one problem you can identify with modern capitalism is that it works to put the most economically successful people at the top of the social and political hierarchy.

But the problem here is, the most economically successful people aren't always the best to rule. In fact, they might be absolutely monstrous psychopathic lunatics. They might be from a totally alien culture that is hostile to your people and their interests. For example, the USA has foreign governments openly lobbying for legislation. The Saudis are buying huge stakes in major media organizations to sway the political debate, and of course you know about our friends from Israel steering US foreign policy to their own benefit

Monarchy has a problem, because although the rulers are born and bred for their task, educated in the traditions, culture, and philosophy of their people, they often become disconnected from the populace at large. The king will have no connection to a peasant, will not care about his wellbeing, in fact will probably just engage in drunken sex parties while his nation dies away. He didn't have to climb the ladder of achievement to get where he is, he was born into it.

This is part of the benefit of elections. You're able to put people in power that actually identify with the populace. Maybe they rose to prominence through the military, or from humble beginnings. They are not part of the elite cabal.

Of course, the problem with elections is that people are fucking stupid. So in my mind, this is a question about how to set up a voting system that excludes the stupids. I would favor a form of limited franchise democracy, where people have to pass some sort of muster in order to be allowed a vote. Some people's votes will count for more than others. Perhaps something like the system in Starship Troopers

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>>139357740
Dis

>>139357660
If the Russians made the effort to build a fake chimney, why didn't they attach it to the building?

>>139355858
>Capitalism = failed
>USA.PNG
Lol

>>139356297
>steals assloads of German ideas and intellectuals.
>pretends it's theirs.
Typical

>>139357502
>>139357874
Nazis picked their fights one by one. 90% of nazi casualties were on the Eastern front. Millions of lives were lost fighting the Nazis and you pieces of shit disrespect their effort.

>>139356638
Gas the kikes

>>139357905
It was given a chance. It worked very well in the short time it existed in the 1930s.
Extremely well, actually.

>>139355858
A true Theocracy.

>>139357838
The nipple is very erect and strong

>>139355858
Small regional governments with grassroots democracy on all issues to engage citizens. This can be done by getting people to vote using their cell phones. All regional governments will be united by a small central government akin to advisory boards not bureaucracies that prescribe fair resource use and protection against other nations.

The central government will have few voices to move policy through easier thus avoid political BS. Also, their terms will be short enough and can be impeached any time to prevent power grabs.

Free market capitalism is used for economic growth, but caps are placed to prevent monopolies and wealth gaps.

I think this system is centralized enough to unite all governments, but not a huge bureaucracy that can crush constituents. It has the benefits of capitalism including economies of scale, but it doesn't let the 0.01% hog all the value created by workers.

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>>139358079
They became Soviet citizens thus they were Soviet contributions :^)

>>139356297
ya if you kill 10 million off there's going to be no unemployment for a while

>>139355858
>we need a new system
Based Centrism

>>139355858
NatSoc did pretty good until your grandpa decided to join the commies.

If we did go back to monarchies, how would they look? I can't really see the average person these days being too receptive to the pomp that comes along with monarchies. Maybe in Europe they would work but I can't see New Worlders accepting a King wearing robes and a crown.

>>139356297
>Be totalitarian dictatorship
>Fudge numbers for propaganda
>"Hahaha we are greatest capitalism has failed!
>Government collapses
>New government posts actual numbers re: poverty, unemployment, GDP
>"L..looks like capitalism ruined everything instantly guys!"

>>139355858
We need a government that heavily relies on public referendums to get shit done.
Other than that I would like zero government or a morally superior authoritarian government.

>>139358263
>Soviet citizens
They literally weren't you ignorant larping faggot.

>>139355858

They dont fails, simply society and ideas change, and the old systems cant keep up because they were born in a specific times and in a specific situation.

That, or simply they get destroyed by another system, who was stronger in that moment

>>139357659
Typical jew

>>139355858
REPUblianism

>>139355858
How about using the one that makes sense for a given time period, instead of being egotistical cunts.

>>139356986

So you know who's fucking you in the ass, and then what?

French revolution?

Maybe the Russian type followed by 70 years of communism?

The longer the monarchy lasts, the more unstable and inbred it becomes. Kings try to consolidate power and wealth by interbreeding with siblings and cousins.

Furthermore, if you get a King who starts ruling at 20 for whatever reason, he's gonna be bad news. Likewise, you can also have a king die at 90, and have his 70 year old son take over who's only experience is wining and dining with the aristocrats.

Monarchy is shit.

But yes, you're right, term limits are a meme.

>>139357660
Well you don't burn them where you gas them you fucking moron. If you built a chimney atop a gas chamber it would be quite counter-productive now wouldn't it?

>>139357988
>It makes sense to put the capable person in the country in charge...
That's kind of the thing about monarchy though, it's not always the capable person
Sometimes it's the grandson of the capable person

>>139358588
What about some form of elective monarchy, then?

>>139356035

monarchy began failing during the colonial era when empires were stretched too thin to manage their possessions

the only real monarchies left are places like north korea

>>139355858
An oligarchy with a democratic republic facade

>>139355858
We need a return to Monarchism, which is objectively the best and most tried-and-true system.

The problem with democracy is that constantly voting for your government every few years results in a higher weighting being given to short-term benefits at the expensive of long-term benefits. Whereas in a Monarchy, the long-term benefits are more important, because you don't need to worry about constantly seeking election and promising short-term things to people. Things like the runaway debt and welfare system are because of democracy. You can argue that it''s only because of shitskins, but the shitskins only exacerbate the problem; the problem itself would still be there even if it were just whites.

Democracy is crumbling at the seams, and it's only been around for less than 230 years in America and less than 100 years in most European nations. It's nothing more than a blip on the radar when you look at the grand scheme of things. It doesn't work. Monarchies, on the other hand, have stably existed for hundreds or even thousands of years.

>>139358769
lol we already got that

>>139355858
The only actual failures in your list are Democracy, communism, and neoliberalism. Monarchism has a proven track record so you really don't have any right to shit on it. Constitutional or elective Monarchy is good

>>139358054
Do you guys know what chimneys are for?

>>139358702

I would like a Elective Monarchy limited to the members of the royal house

A king will always make sure his private property will prosper, but the people would make sure that the best of the family at that time became the new king

>>139355858
Islamic fundamentalism.

>>139356555
>Three mile island
It's almost like there was similar incident, except in commie country and with actual containment breach. Just can't remember a name.

>>139355858
>>Capitalism = failed
>>Neoliberalism = failed
What!?

>>139355858

>we
>guys

its you that failed, worthless tubby neet

>>139356764
Inequality isn't an issue. Capitalist countries have the best living standards for the average citizen.

>>139355858
Natsoc.
It didnt failed. It allowed a few to stand against the whole world.

Hail victory \o

>>139358917
It seems to be attached to some underground complex. Could be the heating, or the jew oven, [spoiler]or probably both[/spoiler]

>>139355858
Republicanism.

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>>139358858
:^)

>>139355858
>>Fascism = failed
>>NatSoc = failed
>OP = normie

>>139358099
>Millions of lives were lost fighting the Nazis and you pieces of shit disrespect their effort.
effort of doing what? fighting for zionism and globalism? destroying nationalism and white Europe?

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>>139358716

Like the type where only the aristocrats vote, and they're just as inbred and paranoid as the kings?

No, there has to be some sort of merit system, where only people who contribute to society and understand the bureaucracy get to dictate how it should be run.

Lay off the CK2.

;)

>>139358917
Direct soot and smoke up out of the building so it doesn't flood the room

>>139355858
>Be awash in food options from around the world at even the most basic bitch grocery store
>Capitalism has failed

How do you even remember to breathe?

>>139355858
Anarcho-nazism

>>139355858
i dont see socialism on that list.

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>>139356297
Wtf i love propaganda now.

>>139358922
Its not so good when enemy can bribe ppl or even future king. Only constitutional monarchy.

>>139359038
It should be a system where your voting power can go up and down. Your vote at 65 might be worth much more than your vote at 25

>>139358962
>Inequality isn't an issue.
It is if the core of your ideology is envy and/or its avoidance (or equality as the envious say).

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>>139358424
All the wealth left Eastern Europe leaving millions in perpetual poverty and unemployment. There is a reason why they want communism back

>>139358472
Yes they were :^)

>>139359038

The problem is demagogues will always found a way to convince normies that they should have a voce in the vote, and this will allow them to take power.

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>>139356297

>>139356489
The whole world attacked one nation. Thats why it lasted 11 years.
Too dangerous for the elites.
The ultimate redpill should be destroyed.

>>139356853
So you mean corporativism. China is olso very nationalistic. They're natsoc

>>139355858
we need the image board to be the leader.

>>139359038
How about fuck off with the condescending remarks and reddit spacing. I was simply pointing out that not all monarchical systems are hereditary.

By the way, I don't even video games, let alone autism simulators.

>>139359037
USSR was against Zionism and opposed the globalist capitalist agenda. The USSR also fight to protect the certain extermination of millions of Europeans by the Nazis. Ex-Soviet countries are more homogeneous than western european capitalist countries.

>>139355858
National Socialism never failed. It was set back: the entire world had to turn up and wage war against a National Socialist country that was able to stand its ground on its own.

Star Trek post-scarcity utopia.

>>139359156

This is a pretty good idea DESU, just as long as it cannot be manipulated through inheritance wealth.

Perhaps a "family vote" where the weight is dependent on how much your family contributes. Marriage then would technically have some meaning again in society.

>>139359289
^^ This guy has a point. 4chan mob rule it is!

>>139356853
That's just a very lightly more libertarian fascism without using the names.

>>139355858
Fascism is pretty good when there is no resistance, or when you kill the resistance.

>>139356764
Somebody find porky-less original and add forth line: same as third, but five times shorter and labeled 'Actual communist distribution'

>>139359356
>how much your family contributes
In what respect? I hope you don't say economically, because in that case your country will be ruled by jews

>>139359289

i came

>>139355858
>This failed and thas failed so we need new one.

Disgusting.
You never go to the end of one thing and you would eternally fail.

>>139358958
t. Alberto Barbosa

>>139359356
We basically used to have that. Back when only white men with land could vote, it effectively meant that it was 1 family = 1 vote. And I'd extend that to only white land-owning men with a wife and children.

I'm in favor of monarchy though. But that's how voting could work for the elected branches of the government in a constitutional monarchy

>>139355858
KEK hasent been tried yet. YET

>>139355858
I dont like perverse people that see a dick or vagina in everything they see.

>>139357905
Boi socialism is a terrible system. look at Venezuela.

>>139357485
Not equals.
Brothers.
Does your family is equal in terms of virtues and strenghs ?
No.nut you support it.and you are right to do so.
Natsoc is the family of families.

Plutocratism = ????

>>139359626
even if they have hard nipples?

>>139359325

The USSR was the zionists

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>>139355858
Here's an idea - why don't we replace all human leadership with superior AIs? After all, objective AIs are way superior to subjective humans who are slaves to their emotions and desires. An AI would stay as objective as possible.
Would you not agree, fellow humans?

>>139355858
>Fascism = failed
>NatSoc = failed

These were among the most successful ideologies to have sprung up in recent memory, what ruined it was a giant fucking war.

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>>139359037
>>139359325
Also, the Nazis were the original Zionists. They wanted to create a Jewish ethno-state. Hitler took money from jewish bankers and had many Jews fighting in his diverse army. Hitler ruined nationalism for everyone.

>>139359325

That was national-Bolschevikism, Globalists doctors eliminated Stalin the very moment they could, as he ressurected Russian nationalism

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>>139356023
THIS

>>139355858
I thought fascism worked? and capitalism somewhat works. And i dont think democracy was ever tried.

>>139355982
Kind of stupid but it would cut out a lot of the bullshit in politics.

>>139358962
I'm not a communist, but that's simply not true. Sure, on PAPER we have the best living conditions, but really think about it. Think about how everyone is shackled in debt and living paycheck to paycheck out of shoebox apartments and are still trying to pay off all the money they needed to spend to get a degree for any job other than mcdonalds, and how all these costs are making it so fucking expensive that people aren't even having goddamn children. Like hell we're ACTUALLY better off. Just because we have smartphones and porn doesn't mean we're doing well.

>>139355858
Ummm... real communism has never been tried. Nice try though, sweetie.

>>139356035
>Monarchy never failed
monarchy always failed
you can't prove me wrong

>>139357243
>*until I'm in power, then you can trust me, fellow class struggler ;)

>>139359231
Create a system of merit.

There is no reason why a do nothing welfare nigger should be equal to a small business owner while a monopoly business shouldn't have as much say as 100 small business owners.

There needs to be balance that puts the middle class first because that's how a society moves forward.

>>139359299

You're hurt because I have a point and your dream of the peasant mob electing you king can't move forward.

>>139355858
>NatSoc = failed
not by natsocs fault tho

>>139358504
No serious, what's wrong with that? The poor are better off than they have ever been before. If some folks happen to become trillionaires, so fucking what?

>>139359734
She's in the produce area. It's cold in that area. Find Jesus, and stop thinking everything is sexual.

>>139355858

Is she going to fuck that?

also how has capitalism failed?

>>139355858
MIMO controller up your ass will fix it.

>>139359813
>USSR
>Russian Nationalism

topkek, no. This is the same guy who did massive population transfers and purposefully mixed the different ethnic groups together to BLANDA UPP and destroy any sense of nationalism in the people.

>>139357686
Paper money is meme.
It had no value but the one you give .
Your whole post crumbles.
Sorry.

>>139359743
Without the USSR the Israelis would have established Greater Israel by now. This is why Israelis fear the Soviet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Anti-Zionism

If Uncle Adolf won he probably would have established Israel himself probably in the the pale settlement in Eastern Europe after killing all the white people.

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>>139355858
>feudalism
>failed

>>139359874
That's a dumb thing to say. It's like saying "medicine always fails" because eventually you're going to die of something, whether you die at age 10 or age 100.

Monarchy has a very good track record.

>>139356935
NatSoc is just a more politely defined set of stipulations for managing the exact same system as the traditionalist societies that basically every empire on Earth were built by.
It's basically traditionalism-LITE
Might as well go the full measure at that point

>>139359466

Has to be economically, gold is the weight of contribution.

Can't be by level of education, colleges are a joke that only serve to indoctrinate idiots to be left wing parasites.

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>>139359430
8 hours in ms paint 3d.

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>>139355858
Goergism is the only real way forward

>>139359890
No, I'm "hurt" because I don't like arrogant patronisers who like to jerk themselves off by misrepresenting what others say to make them look dumb and themselves smart.

>>139359587

Fuck monarchy. Let's go back to land-owning men voting. Seems like the system worked back then.

>>139355858
Constitutional Republic never fails.
Prove me wrong.
Protip you can't.

>>139355858

If communists had their way we'd still be hunter gatherers. All of those systems succeeded because they led to the development of better systems. Look how far we've come. All thanks to those systems.

>this thread

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

>>139359975
Mostly as a reverse brain drain. USSR pulled the brightest people from all the republics into Moscow for education and experience. After which they would go back to their home republic and improve their homeland themselves. Compared to what the US does which is permanently pull the best from every nation relegating them to stagnation.

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>>139356297

Each and every single one of those points can be refuted.

Also:

>muh free education

You mean indoctrination to perpetuate the state.

>>139359399
Thats why we kill it.
First step of survival is to submot/destroy your enemies.

All systems do that.

Thx for this elementary school level post.

>>139356014
Judaism

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>>139356639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyiWkWcR86I

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>>139355858
Is it Hoppe time?

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>>139359843
>sum ppl r depressed :(((((
>derefore we shud trample individual rites an establish gommunism!! :^)))))
KILL yourself in the next 30 minutes, PLEASE.

>>139360162

Well I don't like monarchs ruling over me because they won the birthplace lottery.

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>>139355858

Fucking gringo, why are you mixing political systems and economic systems?

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>>139355858
Time for Georgepills

>Georgeism reconciles common land rights with private tenure, free markets and modern capitalism.

>Those who got the upper hand by securing land tenures would support public services, so wages and commerce and capital formation could go untaxed.

>To pay the taxes, landowners would have to use the land by hiring workers (or selling to owner-operators and owner-residents). This would raise demand for labor; labor, through consumption, would raise demand for final products.

>To pay the workers, landowners would have to produce and sell goods, hereby raising supply and precluding inflation. Needed capital would come to their aid by virtue of its being untaxed. Thus, George would cut the Gordian knot of modern dilemma-bound economics by raising demand, raising supply, raising incentives, improving equity, freeing up the market, supporting government, fostering capital formation, and paying public debts, all in one simple stroke.

>George's proposal enables us to lower taxes on labor without raising taxes on capital. Indeed, it lets us lower taxes on both labor and capital at once, and without reducing public revenues.

>>139355858
Enlightened tyranny.

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>>139360364
> Georgist tax policy reconciles equity and efficiency. Taxing land is progressive because the ownership of land is so highly concentrated among the most wealthy,'8 and because the tax may not be shifted. It is efficient because it is neutral among rival land-use options: the tax is fixed, regardless of land use. This is one favourable point on which many modern economists actually agree, although they keep struggling against it
> Georgist tax policy contains urban sprawl, and its heavy associated costs, without overriding market decisions or consumer preferences, simply by making the market work better. land values are the product of demand for location; they are marked by continuity in space. That shows quite simply that people demand compact settlement and centrality. A well-oiled land market will give it to them.

> Georgist tax policy creates jobs without inflation, and without deficits. "Fiscal stimulus," in the shallow modern usage, is a euphemism for running deficits, often with funny money. George's proposed land tax might be called, rather, "true fiscal stimulus". It stimulates demand for labor by promoting employment; it precludes inflation as the labor produces goods to match the new demand. It precludes deficits because it raises revenue. That is its peculiar reconciliatory genius: it stimulates private work and investment in the very process of raising revenue. It is the only tax of any serious revenue potential that does not bear down on and suppress production and exchange. As I have noted, George's fiscal policy takes two problems and composes them into one solution.

>>139359135

The whole continuous growth thing is legitimate, but you need to look at the reasons why.

Western capitalist countries grew much faster during their boom periods, but also had economic corrections in the form of recessions every 8-10 years(or less), which seems to be a inherent flaw of the capitalist model. The Soviet Union on the other hand had slower total growth (due to inefficiency), but didn't have recessions (until the last couple of years, that could possibly be described as a recession in terms of the economy's low output). Not to mention the Soviet Union was in the habit of taking money and resources away from it's satellite states.

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>>139360449
> George's land tax lets a polity attract people and capital en masse, without diluting its resource base. This is by virtue of synergy, the ultimate rationale for Chamber-of-Commerce boosterism. Urban economists like William Alonso have illustrated the power of such synergy by showing that bigger cities have more land value per head than smaller ones. (Land value is the resource base of a city.) Urbanists like Jane Jacobs and Holly Whyte have written on the intimate details of how this works on the streets. Julian Simon (The Ultimate Resource) philosophizes on the power of creative thought generated when people associate freely and closely in large numbers. Henry George made the same points in 1879

>Georgist policies encourage the conservation of ecology and environment while also making jobs, by abating sprawl. It is a matter of focusing human activity on the good lands, thus meeting demands there and relieving the pressure to invade lands that are now wild and marginal for human needs. Sprawl in the urban environment is the kind most publicized, but there is analogous sprawl in agriculture, forestry, mining, recreation and other land uses and industries.
>Georgist policies strengthen public revenues while in the same process promoting economy in government. Anti-governmentalists often identify any tax policy with public extravagance. Georgist tax policy, on the contrary, saves public funds in many ways. By facilitating the creation of jobs it lowers welfare costs, unemployment compensation, doles, aid to families with dependent children and all that. It lowers jail and police costs, and all the enormous private expenditures, precautions, and deprivations now taken to guard against theft and other crime. Idle hands are not just wasted, they steal and destroy

>>139355858

NATSOC
AND CAPITALISM WILL NEVER FAIL
ALL HAIL THE WHITE GODRACE

>>139360357
Fair enough m8, sorry for being a bit aggressive

>>139355858
Corporatism...Oh wait, that's already been tried when people confuse that with Capitalism

>>139359985
Countries still have to pay for infrastructure construction. Arguably a big country like Germany could have rebuilt itself in stages, sure. But the Nazis went for loans and money forgery to short cut to glory.

Plus the central planning fucked the economy. They over-produced motor fuel instead of heating fuel as a direct result, and shivered all winter as a result. The classic example is the turnips, though.

>>139359874
I mean, you might as well just say civilization has always failed, if you assume the end is the failure.
"Kinsmen die and cattle die, and so must one die oneself. But there is one thing I know which never dies, and that is the fame of a dead man's deeds."

White Nationalism [race war] edition

>>139359975

Before Stalin, Russians were in fact the most discriminated etnicity in URSS (the only one to not have a etnic communist party section, and the central one in Moscow was controlled by Jews).

He noticed the madness of persecute the biggest etnicity of the Union, and in the 30's ordered the propaganda to unite Russian nationalism with Communism to obtain their loyalty.

Probably was a temporary moves, to make sure Russians would fight to the death to defend their "motherland", but he and his successors kept it after the war as a men of interal order during the cold war

>>139360084
>Monarchy has a very good track record.
Succession crises, court intrigue, noble squabbles, familial disputes becoming international affairs and of course arbitrary representation (king of country A, ruling over country B, has never been to country B).

Americans who support monarchism are traitors, through and through, loyalist scum never seem to die. It's like begging to be enslaved, I'd rather be free than be a subject to some uppity nonce in a palace.

>>139355858
Democracy hasn't failed

>>139360541
It's all good man, this is all just banter among friends in a safe space anyway.

>>139360192
You're not seeing the issue here. The problem with democracy in general is that it emphasizes short-term gain over long-term gain. Eventually, a democratic system will fail because of this. Limiting suffrage as I outlined would help slow down the process, but it would still happen.

Think about it like this: Our government, as originally intended, worked! ... for about 70 years until the civil war occurred, power became massively centralized, and the right to vote was extended to all adult men. And since then, it's gotten worse with more and more centralization, expansion, and further and further toward universal suffrage and the problem we now see today. Just saying "I want to go back to when this system worked well" is a bit of a fallacy, because that system eventually led to the current system in a relatively short time. It's like how communists will tell you that communism worked great in Revolutionary Catalonia, even thought that only lasted like 2 years before totally falling apart. They'll say "well why don't we just go back to how that was" even though that sort of system will only last a short time, and WILL inherently crumble under its weight soon enough. Same problem with democracy, just delayed.

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>>139355858
This is the ideal form of govt.
Prove me wrong

>>139355858
>>Capitalism = failed

M8 I'm thriving

>>139355982
>digits decide next law

>>139360650
>men

*mean

>>139358809
Constitutionality restrained Monarchy with inalienable natural rights.

>>139360345
>anyone who doesn't hold muh NAP over everything else is a FUGGEN GOMMUNIST!!!

You lolbergs are all the same.

>>139360584
No.
They do not need to pay.
Money is nothing.
They need workers. They need materials.
Period. Some paper is irrelevant.
You burgers are such retarded kiked morons....

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>>139360809
What you are taught as "capitalism" results in inequality and inefficiency because it lacks a theory to manage common resources. It doesn't even recognize that there is such a thing as common resources. Georgism corrects this flaw by not only recognizing common resources like land, minerals, water, fish stocks as such, but adds that by managing these resources with user fees, you can get rid of all other taxation and remove impediments to economic development. So under Georgism, regular folk are mostly taxed in proportion to the value of any land they may possess. The vast majority of people would pay a lot less than they currently pay in income, payroll and consumption taxes, but absentee landlords would pay a lot more, and the mortgage business of banks would be an order of magnitude smaller, because land taxes cancel the benefits of homeownership as an investment. The system also discourages the inefficient use of land, controlling sprawl and inefficient farming practices. Housing and transportation costs would be greatly reduced, thus allowing for a greater equality of opportunity.

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>>139355858
Wait a moment, I see something

When did monarchy fail?

>>139355858
Monarchism hasn't really failed, it's just not really popular like it once was

>>139355858
Why is holding vegetables a thing? Congrats. You found the lo bok. Do you even know what to do with it other than referencing your braless top?

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>>139355858
magnifying

>>139355858
>not using a combined system of feudalism and capitalism based on gifts
just expand the serfs into factory jobs

>>139355858
>NatSoc = failed

kike faggot

>>139355858
What is the difference between capitalism and neoliberalism?

New here please enlighten me or give good /pol/ approved links

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>>139355858
I'm starting to make something out

>>139356241
Exactly>>139357144
Dutch republic was also successful too

>>139356638
>"gas the kikes"
gas the kikes

>>139355858
only communism failed, the overs were ended by foreign force

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>>139355858
Yes yes, nearIy there

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I call it slaveism you see we get everyone that isn't white to work for white people in order for white people to not have to work and enjoy living.

It might be tough to implement at first but god willing it would bring us the most prosperity considering the other bs in this thread.

>>139361057
i think I see it too anon

>>139360658
This mindset right here is the problem with democracy. It lets idiots like you THINK that they are actually in charge. You should look around you and see damn well how we're not in charge of our country at all, and that democracy is just a release valve to trick people into thinking they have a say, in order to keep us docile and complacent.

You're a goddamn moron if you honestly think wars of succession were worse off or more frequent than the bullshit we now experience in the modern era. Our system is rotten to the core. Democracy is just soft communism.

>>139360774
So you allocate central authority to smaller regional governments to prevent power consolidation. I agree with limits on voting. For me, it would be a competency test. I do support short terms however to prevent lifelong politicians. To prevent short term interests dominating long term just to get votes, require all political appointees to serve only 1 term.

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>>139355858
Platonic Republic

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>>139355858
aImost got it

>>139356035
Exactly what I say minus the jews part

>>139360921
>>139361007
I remember that thread

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>>139355858

>>139356555
That's the problem, it wasn't left alone.

>>139360898
I've always considered this a possibly ideal form of taxation, but do you believe that those who pay no taxes should have a right to vote, or do we return to land ownership being the requirement for voting rights under such a system?

>>139358922
The kingdom is the property of the crown, not the King

>>139360844
Exactly. I'm for a constitutional monarchy with an armed-to-the-teeth population. The people still choose their leaders, even in a non-democratic setting. People should have guns and be able to rise up if their government goes to shit. This is true regardless of voting or not.

>>139361233
good spotting

sage

>>139361037

Neoliberalism is a cultural system, in service of the economic system Capitalism

Capitalism change his cultural ideas according to the economy necessity of the moment.

they supported colonialism and nationalism when were good for profit, and rejected them the moment they found something who was better for make money and mantain control of the population.

>>139360890
They need purpose and food.
They need things no amount of money .
They need will. Tools .

But you anglos are so fucked up that you forgot reality.
Your paper is just paper.
And you are an idiot.

Private law bitches!

Privatize the oceans, the sky, and outer fuckin' space!

>>139355858
Objectivism

>>139355858
>>Capitalism = failed
Um... no.
The western world is doing perfectly well on Capitalism.

The only issue is jews trying to turn it into Socialism

>>139361156
Point to where in my post I defended democracy. You can't, because you high on a vindictive trip, though you only managed to shrug off my comments by stating that what exists now is worse, when all that I explained is that the alternative you're rallying behind has its own distinct failings, one of which our country specifically revolted against. Your IQ is at least a standard deviation lower than you've convinced yourself it is.

>>139361246
I wish you weren't irrelevant little fucks and that a company like DuPont would dump C8 in your inbred town pond

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>>139355858
There is soon coming a day when God shall step back into the game.

Humans have proven they cannot be rulers of themselves.

>>139355858
>NatSoc = failed
ummm I don't think so sweetie

>>139355858

BTW someone archive this thread please, it's pretty good and ispiring for a /pol/ discussion.

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Losing zerg wars against the world doens't make Monarchism and Fascism failed systems.

>>139361166
>So you allocate central authority to smaller regional governments to prevent power consolidation.
So... how things were before the civil war? Look how that turned out. The federal gov't made a power grab.

> For me, it would be a competency test. I do support short terms however to prevent lifelong politicians. To prevent short term interests dominating long term just to get votes, require all political appointees to serve only 1 term.
You have this all wrong. Short elected terms LEAD TO short term goals, because no one has any incentive to bother thinking long term. Hence, once again, the debt and welfare pyramid schemes we current have in our democratic society. The longer the political terms, the longer the time horizon of the government. I support monarchy because the monarch has a vested interest in long-term stability of the country, extended not just throughout his life, but the life of his dynasty as well.

>>139361341
Who will enforce property rights?
>>139361318
It's not a cultural system. The tld;dr of neoliberalism is free trade, open borders and minimal state interference. There are many shades of capitalism.

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>>139358099

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>>139361462
>The western world is doing perfectly well on Capitalism.
Lmao, the Western world is on the verge of collapse

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>>139355858
EUREKA
THERE IT IS
>sage
Fuck off to >>>/hist/ mate, Natsoc didn't fail, it was the most successful movement ideology of the 20th century. It took the whole world to make them stop winning.

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>>139361257
The idea is that Nature is god bounty to all men therefor the paying of a land tax is not to the government but to the all the people who inhabit the nation; so i see no reason why the landless shouldn't be able to vote. However under this sort of "free land" system many more people would be afforded the opportunity to own land so maybe a compromise could be struck with people in your mode of thinking.

a little more detail about state vs common land in pic related

National Corporatism/Neo-Aristocracy

A system of government strongly influenced and supported by corporations which are loyal to, and strongly support, the nation their based in and that nation's ideals. In deep contrast to globalism.

>>139361637
>the western world is going to collapse
Because of people like you, commie.
Pushing for muslims to come here, all the fucking time.

That's because of you it collapses

>>139361642
>the most successful movement ideology of the 20th century
>Barely lasted 11 years
>Responsible for millions of deaths
Top kek

>>139361485
>I'd rather be free than be a subject to some uppity nonce in a palace.
What did you mean by this?

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>>139361745
That's not me that's cultural capitalism. Porky wants to import cheaper labor. They also want to destroy culture to create one mixed culture-less consumerist wage slaving blob

>>139361728
>national corporatism
That's literally fascism, m8. Read Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism.

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>>139361637
>the Western world is on the verge of collapse
-t. Karl Marx in 1850

You keep saying it and saying it, and I'm starting to think it's some kind of carnival psychic technique like cold reading -- you think if you keep "predicting" it, chances are you'll eventually be right.

>>139361776
>Responsible for millions of deaths
top kek indeed, laffypol

>>139361903
When will you leftypol faggots realize that porky is the jews?

>>139361903
marxism*
Fixed it for you

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>>139361903
>leftypol memes
into the trash it goes

>>139355858
Democracy hasn't failed, it's the most common type of government on earth.

Capitalism hasn't failed, it's practically the only economic system in use.

Catholic free market economy.

>>139361903

do you fags ever admit that porky is a jew

>>139361937
To be fair, the western world IS on the verge of collapse. But it's this self-fulfilling prophecy where where the marxist kikes want marxism to be real, so they purposefully do everything they can to economically and socially/culturally destroy western society, so that they can implement their gommunism.

>>139361728
>International corporations loyal to a nation
Kek good luck with that

>>139361827
Subjects, by legal definition, are not independent humans, they're property of the crown.

>>139362124
Of course not. They just say something like "le jew is a spook" or whatever.

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>>139361903
>Porky wants to import cheaper labor.
Yes, (((Porky))) does want that.

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>>139362102
Hmmmmm

>>139362145
You said you want to be "free". What system would that be?

>>139361508
SMT?

>>139355858
Direct Democracy 2.0 NOW !!!!

Every system fails given enough time, retard.

>>139362228
Not monarchism.

>>139356297
>comes only of the price of 100 million+ dead people

gee i wonder why it failed

>>139355858
A daddy mommy system

>>139362253
Not the caliphate, Abdullah. Inshallah!

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>>139362253
This is true.

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>>139355858
National-anarchism

>>139361610
Whoever you pay to enforce property rights.

If you can't trust people or read contracts, you're on your own, but public institutions can only result in centralized, unaccountable barbarism. Only the statist cults say otherwise.

>>139362253
or more precisely, the flaws of every system grow with time until they are too large to not crash it.

>>139362302
You didn't answer my question. Your critique is that monarchism doesn't offer freedom. You also say you are not arguing for democracy. So what system are you arguing for?

>>139355858
>Capitalism = failed
Uhm sweetie

>>139355858
it's not the system. it's people. we're just pretentious apes, when all is said and done.

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>>139355858
>feudalism = WORKED
>democracy = WORKED
>monarchism = WORKED
>Fascism = WORKED
>NATSOC = WORKED
>Communism = WORKED
>Capitalism = WORKED
>Neoliberalism = WORKING

Just because a system doesn't bring about pic related doesn't mean it failed

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>>139361974
>>139362124
Porky can literally be anyone. In fact during the 19th century porky was typically anglo.

>>139361976
Marxism is an economic viewpoint you dolt. Communists aren't even in control of society, rich capitalists are.

>>139361937
Communism saved lives. Also, for most of the world, capitalism has failed horrendously. The only reason we are still going is because of the momentum from the US profiteering from WW2. The US has already regressed to developing nation statues. We're a trash dump right now.

>>139362369
Yeah, they just get fucked by growing european powers.

>>139356297
>End Famine

What is Russian famine of 1921–22?

What is Holodomor? You don't get to erase that because it happened during WW2, it was not caused by the war but by Stalin himself, documenting it in their own "Black book of Communism" It was retaliation for subsistence farming that lead to greater crop output that communist crops and thus a small rebellion of sorts. So he sent troops to steal their food and seed and keep them in their homes at gunpoint. Stalin force starved millions of people that were walking distance to food.

>End sex inequality
Literally every leader, scientist, and university grad was male. Bullshit.

This list must be trolling, that's all the opposite of true. You're an idiot.