told you leftists. your own monster is coming back to bite y

cleetus have you mowed the lawn yet today?

>ACTUALLY looking out for your interest
you cant even look out for your own self interest if you vote for a billionaire who has absolutely zero incentive to help the working class out

>>139320078
typical. nothing to say about what is happening though, right? just "hurrr durrrrr ur white and from the south, so i don't like and am gonna call you names".

ok. but your political ideology is being censored now too, in ways different but just as bad as ours. don't you recognize the importance of freedom of speech now? do you understand you're at the mercy of the most powerful corporation and singular political entity in the world? and they've decided that you're just as guilty of "wrongthink" as we are?

you don't have any rational point here, huh? google isn't your friend kid. you better start looking to hold them just as accountable as we are. you better start supporting sites like stormer and stormfront, because it's exactly as we told you when they took them down. IF THEY CAN DO IT TO US, THEY CAN, AND WILL, DO IT TO YOU

>>139319782
>us big bad evil conservatives try to tell you that corporate america isn't your friend and you just call us "nazis" for it.
replace "corporate america" with "fucking vile jews demonz!!!!" and you might have your answer

>>139319782
SO leftypol is basically silent here on this other than for one guy to say "hurr durrrr fuck u cleetus" to me? wow. you people truly are incorrigible and driven by nothing other than blind hatred for your own (white) people.

>>139320218
>just "hurrr durrrrr ur white and from the south, so i don't like and am gonna call you names".


just a stones throw away from

just "hurrr durrrrr ur black and from a city, so i don't like and am gonna call you names".

boo hoo

>>139320603
wow, holy fucking "not an argument".
you're the second guy to respond now, and you don't have any points or anything reasonable to say about this? these people just decided to censor your political views. do you not understand now when the conservatives you hate so badly tell you that you're just acting as a "useful idiot" to these big corporations? and that they don't really give a shit about you or your ideology? do you understand? or do you just wanna keep saying "hurrr durrr, cleetus and nazis".

basically you're only proving to me that you're really just driven by blind hate to white america. and as long as you get to hate and call us names and physically hurt us, you're fine with whatever else happens.

>>139319782
>>139319782
There is almost as much idiotic drivel coming from the left as from the echo-chambers of the right.

The internet is failing us, by enabling the stupid and ignorant to surround themselves only with further stupidity and ignorance. The right is better at exploiting it than the left, but both do it. and it needs to stop.

This is a responsible corporate entity making an ethical decision.

Someone always makes decisions about what information you receive, if it is not experienced first-hand.

You have to decide who to trust to do that. I know that you believe that having all possible sources available to you allows you to think that you therefore decide, yourself, which too trust.

But that's not how human brains function. All that does is drown out the accurate beneath waves of the waves of the eye-catching and the loud.

It's why /pol/ has so many retards able to believe in conspiracy theories because "I saw an infographic!" Because it was easy to digest and eye-catching, and accurate information is more complex, longer, and harder to learn. And that's why it's a good idea to stop the bumper-sticker people from being allowed to purvey themselves as journalists.

We need more regulations on information--not fewer.

And yes: it's easy to scream "but that's a slippery slope!" And it is. But slippery slope arguments are fallacious. Yes: too much of something is bad. None of it at all is, too.

>>139320603
they're basically the same thing

>>139320769
it's amazing how you can learn about something like this and still resort to the same old gaslighting, goalpost moving, and conversational misdirection tactics that libtards always resort to. like it's amazing that you can see this and say anything other than "wow, you're right. we do need to protect our rights to political discourse from big business". it's just truly amazing.

leftpol proving how irrational and full of vicious hate it is here

>>139320879
its basically instinct for these faggots now

they woudn't know how to deal with an unfortunate revelation if their lives depended on it?

>>139320650
>>139320934

>SO leftypol is basically silent here on this other than for one guy to say "hurr durrrr fuck u cleetus" to me? wow. you people truly are incorrigible and driven by nothing other than blind hatred for your own (white) people.

>why aren't the people I want to respond to my thread talking to me?
>It must be an intentional slight and therefore it proves that I am right about my conspiracy theories!

Your position is beyond inane. Few people are interested in you. That says nothing about anything except that you're not interesting to them.

Stop being a pathetic attention whore.

>>139320820
>This is a responsible corporate entity making an ethical decision.
ethical decision? are you fucking serious? they're censoring opinions and beliefs that aren't in their best interests. it's exactly as conservatives have been trying to tell libtards and lefties for years now, and especially recently.

if you sit by and let them censor us, and give up your rights to freedom of speech, and free discourse, and the free dissemination of information, it will only be a matter of time before they come for you too.

you all should have been smart enough to see the con. to see that they had to use ONE side of the political spectrum to set their precedent, because if they attacked both at once it would have been too much of a PR issue, and legislation would have been passed.

but no. you've always got to be empty, vacant morons who are fueled by nothing but hatred for others.

>>139320820
>our censorship is benevolent, what do you have too fear?
What's happening is necessary for a free net to be made.

>>139320934
they aren't from /leftypol/, shortbus
there's a type of mong that thinks it is an erudite technocrat that hate liberalism

>>139321046
>Your position is beyond inane.
my position? what position. it's googles position. it's somethign that happens to you.

what do you think is gonna happen to "lefties and socialists" once there are no more conservatives around to cry about free speech, huh?

you really think google is going to let your socialist ideas float around on the internet? hahahah no, they've pretty much just proven that behind the scenes they are fully married to capitalism, just like every CORPORATION is, you moron. god, i don't understand how you people could be THAT stupid. to fall for a con THAT plainly obvious. thinking that CORPORATIONS would ever support communism or socialism. fucking retards.why don't you just wake up and get with it? start being decent humans. if that's even in you.

>>139321177
Yes, I am serious.

>they're censoring opinions and beliefs that aren't in their best interests.
No, they aren't. They are redirecting website traffic over their search engine. Denying someone access to your stage doesn't deny them the ability to put on a show.

This is not censorship. You people need to get a grip. You are making idiotic, false analogies. No one is being prevented from speaking.

>>139321332
Slipper slope arguments are fallacious.

Calling private web-hosts controlling their private software and databases censorship is a false analogy.

Try making a logical argument?

>>139321333
wow this is an enormous level of gaslighting.

no. let me explain it to you. socialism is not good for corporations, do you understand? corporations are a natural enemy of socialism. get it? they aren't "with you", they're just using you to attack the political right right now, because we're advocating for a lot of "rights" they don't want us to have. once we're gone, you're next. i just showed you the fucking PROOF and you are here making excuses for them. my god. you are wrong bro. you are 100% wrong. you are looking at the evidnece and proof of your wrongness and still denying it, making excuses, like some fucking religious zealot. it's just proof that this is in fact a religion to you. this is what happens when people believe in nothing. they create religions out of their political beliefs. fucking nice.

>>139319782
Hmm, Jacobin and DSA are both big with Chapo Trap House, too. And CTH receives positive review from these mainstream sources and is the highest earning podcast (while having a fraction of the listeners of some others). Almost like it's all astroturf. Hmm really activates my almond.

>>139321500
Your mindless ranting is senseless.

Slippery slopes are fallacies. False analogies are fallacies.

You are illogical. Your arguments are invalid.

>>139321421
>Slipper slope arguments are fallacious.
really? how so? oh right, they aren't. it's actually a factually fallacious argument that they're fallacious.
and this isn't a "slippery slope" you moron, it's happening right in front of your face. you just saw the proof. you're still denying it because you don't want to admit you've been wrong about something. fuck you will doom us all, truly. but at least you won't be any less doomed than the rest of us for your moron thinking.

>>139321620
A slippery slope fallacy is committed when you present the argument that one step along a path necessarily results in all possible future steps along the same path.

It is the argument that you are making.

And it is fallacious.

>>139321569
slippery slopes are not fallacies. i don't know where you're getting that or why you would say such a thing. slippery slopes are very real, 100% demonstrably true things. tell jews in your hated nazi germany that slippery slopes weren't a thing when germany slowly stripped them of their rights.

or all of the victims of communism in your beloved stalinist russia. or in maos china. to say "slippery slopes arent a thing" is a historically and politically ignorant thing to say. it's an empty platitude and a provably incorrect one.

you're seeing evidence of your own ideology under attack and just blatantly denying it because you love google and corporate america. fucking sad and sick.

>>139321724
>A slippery slope fallacy is committed blah blah blah blah
yeah a slipper slope is not a fallacy, factually, i don't know why you keep saying this. it's not a real thing you're saying. it's just a leftist meme. it means nothing.

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>>139319782
Shut it down

>>139321569
Slippery slope is not a fallacy. It's a meme fallacy, but not a real logical fallacy.

>>139321724
It's not a slippery slope argument though... You're mischaracterizing it.

He's arguing that googles interests are against you, and that they will act in favor of their interests over yours.

You obviously don't understand what a slippery slope fallacy actually is.

>>139321724
>>139321796
honestly it's not even a "slippery slope" like the action is already happening. the bad thing is already happening to you and this big company has signalled its intentions, privately, that it stands against you and your ideology. and you're sitting here whining "muh slippery slope" and shit? like seriously wtf? how you can even you people be THIS fucking stupid?

>>139321747
>slippery slopes are not fallacies. i don't know where you're getting that or why you would say such a thing. slippery slopes are very real,
Incorrect. The slippery slope fallacy you are relying on is called a continuum fallacy.

It is possible to invoke a slippery slope that is not fallacious.

What you have argued for, however, is.

You have stated: "X thing was censored. Therefore Y thing will necessarily be censored in the same way."

That is a continuum fallacy.

Your argument is fallacious.

>>139321857
Incorrect. It is not necessarily a fallacies. Once you say "doing X thing along a spectrum results in doing Y thing along that spectrum," however, it is a fallacy.

>>139321527
Horseshoe theory confirmed?

Our views are pretty much the same on Israel and Syria

>>139321857
>Slippery slope is not a fallacy.

Yes it is. The problem is that dinguses on the internet don't know what form the fallacy takes.

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>>139319782
>us big bad evil conservatives try to tell you that corporate america isn't your friend and you just call us "nazis" for it.

You're fucking joking. The left has been trying for decades to warn the right that corporations aren't to be trusted. It's been the right letting them get away with anything they want, in the name of muh free market.

i have to say there is some next level antifa bizarreness in this thread. they are all here defending google and defending the people who are fucking actively censoring them and trying to subvert their political ideology. lmfao like wtf is this shit? this is a totally new quirk of leftist psychology i knew nothing about. never expected it. is it stockholm syndrome? do you all just really love power and powerful institutions that much that you can't shit on precious google, which is one of the most powerful institutions of them all?

>>139321046
Start arguing any time

>>139321916
>You have stated: "X thing was censored. Therefore Y thing will necessarily be censored in the same way."
no you idiot, did you even read the fucking post from assange? it's not even X thing that was censored. it's already Y thing that was censored lmfao. wtf are you talking about you fucking mouthbreathing retard?

and no. no matter how many times you say it "slippery slope" is not a logical fallacy. period. it's not. i don't care if its on the 4chan front page. it isn't. it's a leftwing meme to say it is but no leftwing meme is true. leftwing memes starve people and cause genocide. they aren't based in anything real or true or decent or noble.

>>139321877
The only real fallacies are formal fallacies. Slippery slope is an informal fallacy, which are not even real fallacies. Every informal fallacy can be used in a good argument. But idiots from reddit read some "guide to internet fallacies" post on /r/buttplug and think these informal meme fallacies are real.

>>139321916
>Once you say "doing X thing along a spectrum results in doing Y thing along that spectrum," however, it is a fallacy.
False.

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>>139322016
Because people advocating mainstream American values held before Jews replaced WASP elites are literally Hitler

i love how leftists are so stupid they find a fancy word or phrase like "slippery slope fallacy, hurr durrr" and as long as its said by an academic it becomes gospel to them.

no faggot, when you have people who are ideologically opposed to you and they signal their intention to supress your speech and your politics you're a fucking "slippery slope" to losing everything you have. period. it's going to happen, lmfao. it's not a "fallacy", you're just a fucking empty-headed-retard

>>139321421
No, calling private censorship censorship is not a false analogy. Moreover given the market power of Google, its intentionally rigging the page rank of establishment media sources to harm competitors is an abuse of its power, which is the entire point of doing it.
Moreover there is no crying about the slippery slope of censorship being an informal fallacy, as there is substantial evidence of even the mistaken belief of something being censored ("yelling fire in a crowded theatre") being used to justify further regulation of speech.

Neck yourself, corproratist bootlicker.

>>139321948
I think it's more that they are all funded from the same sources.

>>139321980
Informal fallacies aren't real fallacies

>>139322008
>in the name of muh free market
yea, """conservatives""" like mccain

corporations are state created entities retard

>>139319782

Jewish publications in other words

>>139321421
You do know censorship is a real word beyond shit to do with the constitution, right?

>>139321421
honestly reading the responses on this thread has convinced me leftists really don't stand for or believe in anything. they simply digest orders, values and opinions from their social elites and unthinkingly and militantly carry them out. they're worker bee drones. totally brainless. totally willing to defend their masters unto the death.

you're looking at the 100% physical proof that google wants to destroy your political ideology and everything you believe in, and all you want to do is defend google and try to paint this as a "slippery slope thing" (when slippery slope is not a "logical fallacy" in any way to begin with)?

it's fucking insane. it's way beyond the pale dude. this is fucked up.

>>139321916
the continuum fallacy is the idea that "red" doesn't exist because you can't pinpoint the exact point on the color spectrum orange becomes red

(i.e., the leftist argument against race)

if you're going to shout FALLACY FALLACY like a stunted high school debate nerd then at least get them right.

we predicted this would lead to orwellian censorship of the internet. we were right. there's no projection beyond this stage necessary. you don't have room to debate. we. told. you. so. end of

>>139322016
Leftists and jews will dismiss censorship from /theircorporations/ as being the lesser evil.

>>139322419
>You do know censorship is a real word beyond shit to do with the constitution, right?
Good to see someone on /pol/ mention this. Too often, conservatives let liberals get away with their shitty "free speech isn't' freedom from consequences" argument.

good thread on the topic:
http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/8551-liberalism-and-free-speech/

>>139322419
they don't understand that. all they understand are words and letters and bureaucracy. they're simply minded fools and the concept you're talking about is too abstract and requires too much thinking.

leftists operate in a way where they need to be TOLD something bluntly and blatantly, in an authoritative fashion by a person in authority, otherwise they don't believe it. they can't think on thier own or arrive at conclusions on their own, and they can't deal in abstract concepts like that.

>>139322310
More likely leftists who actually somewhat understand the power structures and aren't just braindead anti-flag fans who believe squatting in dilapidated building and smoking meth is "fighting capitalism." There are a handful of leftists who have an idea of what is going on. Mostly Stalinists and some other so-called "anti-revisionists," but they are greatly overshadow by the dipshit left.

>>139320820
>accurate information is more complex, longer, and harder to learn.

So is brainwashing. Which takes years.

>>139319782

HAHA! Goooood shit! That'll keep'em quiet for a minute.

HEY! If you're part of "the left", don't worry too much about it. The pendulum is gonna stop swinging altogether soon.

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>>139322552
it's the appeal to the law argument.
when this happens ask them the civil rights act was unimportant in 1962 because it wasn't law yet. ask them if slavery was ok because it was legal. then watch them do more mental gymnastics and change the subject / strawman you the way they always do. they're literally fucking lowly animals and at the end of the day they seriously CANNOT think for themselves.

>>139320879

You are arguing with a Google employee.

>>139320218
>unironically refers to people as "kid"

Neck yourself.

>>139322815
could be, but he has the stench of genuine leftist upon him. and his thinking is the same as how they think. they aren't ever going to see something like this and realize "wow, google is not my friend". they're in love with their hip, trendy, anti-american powerful social entities. they'll go marching to the death for people they perceive as socially above them because it's in their nature. they're collectivists, ergo communist. they aren't individuals and can't think individually. that's what you're seeing in this thread. that's why you see them all defending google. or denying that it's happening. or just getting angry and calling me "cleetus" and stupid bullshit.

>>139322890
yeah but no logical or rational arguments about the subject matter we're discussing here, right? kid?

>>139321230
A fallacious argument doesn't mean the conclusion itself is wrong

nothing. leftypol has nothign to say other than to defend google and tell me im "cleetus" and inbred and a nazi. lmfao. this has been really rich. thanks . i think i'm going to go to bed. you can all be happy and content that you've actually made me lose a shred of hope in humanity that i didn't even know i had. i thought it was 100% gone, but it turned out there was a bit of hope left and you killed it tonight. i know this will only make you feel happier, and not sad or depressed, as it should, but it's the truth, so you should know

>>139319782

Is /leftypol/ always such shit at arguing? No wonder they stay on their own board. Five pages of ad hom and circular sophistry a five year old could deconstruct so far.


I'm throwing in on this, leftists can burn in hell but you could use a libertarian to referee I guess.

>they are all here defending google and defending the people who are fucking actively censoring them and trying to subvert their political ideology

To be fair, Google is probably the most leftist company that's ever existed and also been successful to such a powerful degree.

Since tech companies themselves are of a highly libertarian streak they have been careful with the power of censorship so far but it looks like that's changing as they disavow the federal government more and more. Fake news and cloudflare started an avalanche of technocracy moving farther toward the ruling class.

I'm ok with technocracy as long as they stay married to meritocracy but lefty scum is destroying that.

This shit that they all parrot (and they didn't even come up with it themselves but XKCD did and that shitty cartoon about a door) is garbage.

It's garbage because there is no distinction between censorship when a company owns all the stages or a government.

Who cares if the boot on your neck has an eagle or a rainbow faggot Google Doodle? Gibson's future is almost here. We'll see Google or someone hire an armed militia soon to keep them safe from anti-fags and scary neo nazis as the cops stand by doing nothing.

>>139322249
>Informal fallacies aren't real fallacies
Well, I don't agree with this.

Informal fallacies are real and refer to real errors in reasoning that lead to real false conclusions.

>>139322977
The dedication of your stupidity is suspicious.

>>139323171
i didn't think it was possible for something to happen to actually lower my opinion of leftists. but seeing that they can watch their own ideologies be censored and still defend their precious google has really made me lose whatever .00000001% of respect i previously had for them. amazing. goodnight everyone.

>>139323029
Google editing algorithms to censor shit is cunty, but calling people kid is cringy.

>>139323255
Sorry anon, if it makes you feel any better I thought the information was interesting even though I'm not a leftist myself.

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>>139320078
>cleetus have you mowed the lawn yet today?
t. not hateful in the slightest and morally superior to you bigots!

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>>139324056
He just really enjoys debating issues.

>>139320078
>>139320603
>>139320769
>>139320820
>>139321046
>>139321230
>>139321333
>>139321421
>>139321569
>>139321916


Google shills on high alert.

>>139319782
It's the status quo centre-left neoliberals that have created this monster, I can guarentee you that the majority of radical left socialists do not support googles or mainstream media.


This is why liberals get the bullet too.

>>139324778
The irony being that if you did get your socialist revolution, and if by some miracle the lowest form of filth that composed it, the weakest and most mentally defunct that composes YOU somehow succeeded, you'd get the bullet first from the people who came out on top from the movement.

>>139322008
We're fighting the very same people you're talking about. They are as much of a tumor on society as establishment leftists, as well as the SJWs.