>Those who see the nationalist populism of Mr. Trump as a

>>139235764
Please archive it
https://unvis.it/www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/opinion/campaign-stops/trumpism-and-clintonismare-the-future.html

Stupid people were so desperate they voted in a reality TV show star

>>139236801
Will the Kardashianpfs be next?

>>139236801
despirit for giggles desubakasenpai

>>139236801

He was the only option

>>139235764
>center-left synthesis shared by Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

They just can't stop lying.

>>139237662
Y u say dat?

>>139235764
Clintonism?

Don't you mean your bog standard Satanic, Moloch worshipping, Child sacrificing Globalism?

Why do people think adding an 'ism' to the end of something makes it a thing? rhetotical question people are fucking stupid

>>139235764
nytimes is delusional if they think 2016 wasn't the loud and obvious death of centrism. clinton put the final nail in the coffin of her own politics

they're too busy sucking her ass to pay attention to reality. they learned nothing from 2016, because they are incapable of learning

>>139239284
They give good arguments for it. Her "centrism" is the negation of her husband's

Bump. Are you happy pol?

>NY Times

Gas yourself.

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>>139240357
lol, you are actually defending Clinton's corporate dick sucking? Classic ancap

Bill and Hillary are exactly the same politically, that is they are open to be bought by the highest bidder. They represent neoliberalism, international finance, and globalist corporations who are free to lobby and bribe public officials to their hearts' content, so the "open border, pro outsourcing" libertarian crowd should love them.

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>>139238451
Because he knows basic politics and you don't

>>139242607
The political compass is a meme and its makers are a bunch of commies who think every party is far-right. Check their graph on germany faggot
>>139242497
>defending
Is this the american education I hear so much about?
And let me guess, you commented without even reading the article, didnt you?

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>>139242607
>clinton is as right wing as republicans
>labor is right wing
>conservatives are more right than republicans

Who the fuck made this shit?

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>>139242844
>The political compass is a meme

Only to highschool students who don't understand it

I'm commenting on your retarded assertion that Hillary "negates" anyything of Bill's"

You must not know much about Bill Clinton. He was the open border corporate globalist you wanted.


>>139243063
How is any of it wrong?

>This realignment within the Democratic Party requires Hillary Clinton to distance herself from many of the policies of her husband’s administration and to adopt policies favored by her party’s core constituencies. On issues from criminal justice to immigration enforcement, that is precisely what she has done. Even if she had not been challenged by Mr. Sanders, she probably would have done this anyway, because with the departure of the Reagan Democrats, the Democratic coalition has shifted to the left.

>What, then, explains the appeal of Bernie Sanders? Part of the explanation, no doubt, is that, as she herself acknowledges, Mrs. Clinton is less charismatic a candidate than Barack Obama or her husband was, despite their similar policies and backers. Part of it is simply generational. Remember, many young people were as enthusiastic about Mr. Obama in 2008 as their counterparts are about Mr. Sanders today.

>But on the social and racial issues that are important to today’s Democratic base, it is Mr. Sanders, not Mrs. Clinton, who has had to modify his message. At the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Sanders the democratic socialist focused in the manner of a single issue candidate almost exclusively on themes of class, inequality and political corruption. But because he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, he has had to put greater emphasis on other issues, including racial disparity in policing and sentencing and the environment and immigration.

>Having told Ezra Klein of Vox last July that open borders is “a Koch brothers proposal” that “would make everybody in America poorer,” Mr. Sanders recently criticized Mrs. Clinton for opposing drivers’ licenses for illegal immigrants in 2007. Mrs. Clinton, for her part, told a crowd in Henderson, Nev., in February: “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?”

>>139243284
Read the fucking article before commenting you sperg
>>139243392
>The centrality of identity politics, rather than progressive economics, to the contemporary Democratic Party is nothing new. In 1982, the Democratic National Committee recognized seven official caucuses: women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, gays, liberals and business/professionals. Thirty-four years later, this is the base of the Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton. The pro-Sanders left objects to the solicitude of the Democratic Party for Wall Street and Silicon Valley, the sources of much of its funding. But it is safe to assume that most progressives, when confronted with conservative candidates, will prefer incremental, finance-friendly Clintonism over the right-wing alternative. Moreover, the ability or even willingness of Mr. Sanders to help down-ballot or state candidates is doubtful. The next generation of Democrats are figures like Julian and Joaquin Castro and Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, who are much more in the mold of the Clintons and Mr. Obama than of the maverick outsider Bernie Sanders.

>Most important of all, it would be a serious mistake to assume that the growing sympathy of many of today’s millennials for the concept of democratic socialism as embodied by Mr. Sanders will translate into a social democratic America in the 2030s or 2050s. Half a century ago, as the Age of Aquarius gave way to the Age of Reagan, many of the hippies of the ’60s became, in effect, the yuppies of the ’80s — still socially liberal, but with new concerns about government spending, now that they were paying taxes and mortgages.

>For all of these reasons, it is likely that the future of the Democrats will be Clintonism — Hillary Clintonism, that is, a slightly more progressive version of neoliberalism freed of the strategic concessions to white working-class voters associated with Bill Clintonism

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>>139235764
>trying to brand the new progressive movement as clintonism
fucking lol they really want to believe she isn't a careless monster and is some great politician.

>>139243392
Oh look the managed to not mention anything about economics, banking, corporate graft, globalism, neoliberalism, etc and instead focused on identity politics

Wow you sure proved me wrong

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>>139235764
>Mr. Trump as an aberration in a party that will soon return to free-market, limited government orthodoxy

Pls explain to me how Trump isn't free-market, limited government orthodoxy

>>139243284
Please explain to me how a left-wing party is somehow on the right side of the scale.

Not only that, but how the hell is Hillary right-wing? She was going on about open boarders and wanting more immigrants into the US.

>>139243828
Clinton denied Bills social policies. Exactly what I said. But you flaming faggot was already sperging out about unrelated shit before reading the fucking article and "refuting" your imagination. KYS

>>139243569
>The pro-Sanders left objects to the solicitude of the Democratic Party for Wall Street and Silicon Valley, the sources of much of its funding

Yes that is the reason the Democrats have consistently lost ground, they have become the meek puppets of international corporate global power.

> But it is safe to assume that most progressives, when confronted with conservative candidates, will prefer incremental, finance-friendly Clintonism over the right-wing alternative

So in other words "we understand your concern, but fuck off lol"

That is why the Democrat Party and Clintonism are doomed without identity politics They have nothing else.

>>139243954
Because these socialist spergs think anyone who is not a socialist is far-right. Why Pat Buchanan and Joseph DeMaistre aren't lefists in this reductionist retardation is the question.
And notice also the "Drumpf is literally hitler" part of the graph
>>139243870
He is not for limited government in principle, and the author is a new deal type democrat who probably thinks free-market and free-trade are synonimous, thus Trump disliking Nafta makes him "anti free-market"

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>>139243954
>he was going on about open boarders and wanting more immigrants into the US.

So did Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, the US Chamber of Commerce, and just about the entire GOP aside from Trump.

Rubio was one of the key senators who tried to pass an amnesty bill along with McCain and he was seen as the most likely candidate behind Jeb to win. The Republicans are the "right wing" in America, but so are the Democrats.

>>139244034

>Bills social policies

The Clintons don't have policies they have lobbyists, PACS, NGOs, banks, corporations, etc who pay for them to have policies

>>139244454
>He is not for limited government in principle,

HURRR IT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM

>In the Republican Party, the inherited program shared by much of the conservative movement and the party’s donors, with its emphasis on free trade and large-scale immigration, and cuts in entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, is a relic of the late 20th century, when the country-club wing of the party was much more important than the country-and-western wing. The anger and sense of betrayal of the newly dominant white working class in the Republican Party makes perfect sense.


>Donald Trump has mounted and ridden the horse of conservative populism, but it was already out of the barn. Before Mr. Trump, similar populist themes were sounded by Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum and Patrick Buchanan. For a while, the strength of the religious right allowed elite Republicans to trade tax cuts for the rich for support for banning abortion and gay marriage. But as religious conservatism declines, a kind of European-style national populism is rising, for which protectionism and immigration restriction are central issues, not peripheral concerns.

>Long before Mr. Trump threw his hat into the ring in 2015, the economic libertarians who are overrepresented in the donor class and Republican think tanks and magazines were losing to the populists. Opposition to illegal immigration went from being a fringe issue associated with Patrick Buchanan in the 1990s to a central test of whether one was a “true conservative” or a Republican in Name Only. In 2007 and again in 2013, the opposition of populist Republicans thwarted so-called comprehensive immigration reform in Congress.

>Similarly, opposition from their own voters forced the Republicans who controlled both houses of Congress to squelch George W. Bush’s proposed partial privatization of Social Security. The Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, enacted in 2003, had the support of aging white Republican voters even as it appalled and infuriated free-marketers and deficit hawks on the right.

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>>139244594
you are literally retarded, there is no frontier anymore, there will be no more "growing middle class", fucking delusional burgers why do you think the feds are printing money like crazy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9RrIMw5cuM Face it, the american dream is no more

>>139245021
>Whatever becomes of his bid for the presidency, Mr. Trump exposed the gap between what orthodox conservative Republicans offer and what today’s dominant Republican voters actually want — middle-class entitlements plus crackdowns on illegal immigrants, Muslims, foreign trade rivals and free-riding allies. Other candidates less flawed than Mr. Trump and more acceptable to the Republican establishment, like Ted Cruz, are likely to bring Republican policy positions and Republican voter preferences more closely into alignment, by moving somewhat to the left on middle-class entitlements and somewhat to the right on immigration and trade.

>it is probably only a matter of time before the conflict between elite libertarianism and the populism of the voters in the Republican Party is resolved more or less in favor of the voters, by a new orthodoxy that moves left on entitlements and right on immigration, while eschewing Mr. Trump’s inflammatory approach.

So pol, are yoy happy with these new dynamics of american politics?

>>139244800
Wow more american education

>>139235764
Pretty much, nationalist populism will be the new way of the Republican party while the Dems will descend further into corporatism, all the while milking the dumbass Bernouts for money. "Match me!" lol

>>139243613
>some great politician
the Democrats handed her power over and over again after her husband left office, hoping she could find something she was good at, she failed at every step of the way. She's one of the worst politicians of all time but she has the right last name and connections so the Democratic Party is her bitch.

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>>139245200
>So pol, are yoy happy with these new dynamics of american politics?
It's impossible, They can't give an inch on open borders libertarians because the migrants will vote left and it will kill the party.

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>>139244454
>Ancap even shilling for NAFTA

Is there any depths to which you "people" won't sink?

Also I love that you're defending an NYT article it really goes to show just who the ancaps side with.

>>139245021
>>In the Republican Party, the inherited program shared by much of the conservative movement and the party’s donors, with its emphasis on free trade and large-scale immigration,

When neocons took over the party in the 1980s under "muh Reagan" this happened. Prior to the late 1970s we still had presidents with good nationalist policies like Nixon and Eisenhower.

>kind of European-style national populism is rising, for which protectionism and immigration restriction are central issues, not peripheral concerns.

And thank god for that

>Long before Mr. Trump threw his hat into the ring in 2015, the economic libertarians who are overrepresented in the donor class and Republican think tanks and magazines were losing to the populists.

Because neoliberalism is the ideology of the financial parasite

>The Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, enacted in 2003, had the support of aging white Republican voters even as it appalled and infuriated free-marketers and deficit hawks on the right.

And it was Obama that mandated every American by a corporate product or be fined. So in reality it's the Democrats who are far more efficient at handing the country over to corporate power and not the other way around.

>>139245182
Growth has nothing to do with a frontier and everything to do with economic policy.

Germany had an amazing economy from the 1950s-60s despite losing shitloads of land.

>>139245641
>shilling for NAFTA
Are you literally retarded? Can't you read a fucking opinion piece analysing american politics and think about wheter it's true to reality or not instead of sperging out because Bernie lost? Is it hard to understand analysis and prescription are not the same?

>>139245606
Hispanics have always supported oligarchy in all its forms ever since they had a "choice" in the matter with the fall of the Spanish Empire.

They're never going to become libertarian and there's nothing in their history to suggest otherwise.

>>139245182
It's the power structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWl8jq4zLI

>>139245763
yeah, with the ridiculous amounts of dollars they got from you. What I was trying to say was that being working class won't be a temporary thing anymore, the chances for upward mobility will decrease etc...

>>139245606
The article says the opposite tho, that they'll move away from the libertarian position here

>>139245955
As long as you admit NAFTA and TPP are shit I don't care

>>139246287
>being working class won't be a temporary thing anymore, the chances for upward mobility will decrease etc..

But you have to explain why

Consumer debt, debt bubbles, mass immigration, outsourcing, austerity, etc have all led to the destruction of the middle class and it's all, ultimately caused by international finance that is perfectly happy to ruin a country if it makes them money in teh short term

>>139246877
The american dream was based on the existence of a frontier, there is no more frontier ergo no more american dream. ofc there will be growth in the future but at a negligible rate. there is no more room to expand. everything the feds are doing is to delayed the inevitable.

>>139246778
Well, then the article is right
If the Republicans are going to be the party of the middle class they need to make sure the middle class is the majority of the country....It won't be when you have an unlimited stream of underclass people walking across the border

>>139247267
>Population density of 24
>No room to expand

Speak for yourself Europe

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>Clintonism
You mean like stealing Haitian children from their parents by hiding as a "better future" organization then selling them to pedophiles for large sums of money?

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>>139247267
>there is no more room to expand

>>139247425
>idiot thinks I was talking about population

I was talking about shit buried in the ground like gold, silver, , minerals etc.... that haven't been exploited yet that would provide an economic boom without large investments

>>139235764

Looks like someone has a shitty dream!

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>>139247267
No, it wasn't

The most productive parts of America were the industrialized eastern parts. Those were the areas that manufactured all the weapons, tanks, planes, supplies, etc that was sent to the USSR and British Empire to fight Germany.

As a reward those areas then became destitute after the factories were moved to China in the 1970s and all the industry was looted and sold for scrap consumed by corporate raiders.

>>139247835
Industrial production is the source of wealth not raw materials.

Industry in America has been destroyed because we have a system of financial parasitism destroying our economy, not because we are running out of rocks to dig out of the ground.

>>139247835
>>139247835
>that haven't been exploited yet
You're ridiculous, we have an abundance that hasn't been exploited, we dropped some regulations and that sector is booming again

>>139248257
there is such a thing as market saturation

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>>139236801

You're the one who said he wouldn't win and laughed and pointed at upright primates.

Who is the real dumb fuck?

>>139248392
The article addresses that
>a kind of European-style national populism is rising, for which protectionism and immigration restriction are central issues, not peripheral concerns.

>>139235764
>clinton
>progressive
she basically mitt romney with a vagina

>>139248342
but it's not like you can just go out there and dig. only big corporations can compete

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>>139248392
Yes

In America's case it is saturated in consumer debt, low wages, and ever increasing prices especially of real estate, education, healthcare, etc all while taxes increase.

If anything outsourcing has made that problem far worse as it lowers the wages of American workers in order so a few international corporate CEOs can make a quick dollar.

The one thing America isn't saturated in is an increasing living standard o higher wages and it's all thanks to outsourcing, mass immigration, financial deregulation etc.

>>139248731
Yeah you can
and people just going out a digging is actually a large industry and it makes for good reality TV too

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>>139247835

>>139249409
sure, everyone has a rocket in their backyard.

I wish they would cut foreign aid already and start building proper rockets

>>139249524
>everyone has a rocket in their backyard.
you don't/?

>>139249148
which show?

>>139251643
Gold Rush
Yukon gold

There are a few more on the history and discovery channel

>>139252012
>yukon

That's Canada

>>139235764

Old news from 2016

>>139252407
its even more valid now

>>139252196
The show is really entertaining though
so is gold rush

>>139238451
They are right of centre economically but corporatist, and Hillary isn't progressive in the slightest but pretends to be so that dumb liberal women would vote for her

>>139252586
Is Trump really a populist though? That seems like a meme to me, it's not like he advocates the silver standard and debt jubilees which were the cornerstone of populism in the past.

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>>139243284
How can Obama receive contribution from Universities and the US Gov?

>>139257124
for the elites he is

the times change