If Latinos originially came from Asia, why is their IQ so much

>>139190347
>Latinos
Indios you Mestizo halfbreed.

>>139190347

1. There is a huge span of time separating the two groups.

2. Your entire premise (average Asian IQ is high) is completely flawed.

>>139190347
the only high iq is japan

>korea
have u seen per-occupation Korea?
africa tier

>china self explanitory

>>139190347

the are descended from paleo asians. The neo mongoloids are a newer breed.

>>139190347
Proto-Mongoloids =/= Mongoloids, but the main reason for lower average IQs is probably that the majority of Amerindians remained hunter-gatherers until they were colonized. The Aztecs, Maya, and Inca are a small % of the overall native western hemisphere gene pool. Also, those civilization were relatively recent (2nd millenium AD), and prior to that were tribal hunter gatherers too.

Basically, Amerindians made the leap to agriculture much later than other races, and as a result didn't have enough time to be shaped by the selection pressures that select for higher IQ genes that come along with complex agricultural societies.

>>139190347
nope hispanics are leftover Atlanteans fuck off with your elitist shill caste

>>139190347

Asians have a very ancient test-taking tradition that involves lots of studying and cheating to do good on tests, but not much else. That's why Asians score high on IQ TESTS.

Highest-tier of Asians are probably the Mongols

>>139190347
There is also evidence of polynesians landing on south america. So you can add that to your complications.

>>139190347
We're being told that IQ of populations can change really fast, and I'm inclined to believe it. They either didn't evolve it yet when the two groups separated, or the indians lost it later.

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>>139190724
Weirdly enough I do see it.

>>139190808
Theres evidence of a lot of things, and a lot of different people coming to the Americas, honestly we'll never know for sure what happened.

>>139190347
OP just started US history class.

>>139190783
Asians have a higher General Intelligence Factor (g). IQ tests are one metric that correlates to g. Asians also score higher on visual reaction speed tests, which correlate to g as well. You can't train to improve neurological response time. You can train for specific kinds of IQ tests, and improve your score a bit. You cannot actually change g factor. IQ is the easiest way to estimate g, but the best way is to do multiple kinds of evaluations.

>>139190347
Indios are Sundadonts; their closest relatives are the Jomon and the jungle gooks of Indochina.

>>139190857
I envy them to be honest, I wish we could return to such a simpler time, without all this danger we are certainly in. It's funny how much you change as you grow older, I remember when I was a child I watch The Village. I remember saying why would people want to live like that, now I'd jump at the chance of joining them.

>>139190887
my ancestor :)

>>139191135
Yes your ancestors were savages who cut the hearts out of still living people to appease their retarded rain and sun gods, just a few relatively short generations ago. Congratulations.

probably because our education is a lot worse

>>139191032
explain

Asians being smart is a meme. There are billions of them, so naturally there is a significant population that fit in the upper 5% of people in the intelligence bell curve. In addition, naturalized asians abroad are a bad indication. Immigration takes cunning and aspiration, whereas the average Tojo would be content with wagecuckery and certainty.

Asians are mindless drones used to authoritative rulers.

>>139191232
Yeah that was 500 years ago around the same time europeans were killing women at the stake for being "witches" because they were doing "Gods" work. Theirs examples in every ethnic group of savagery.

>>139191479
first topic of college US history is the origins of native americans

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>>139191232
to be honest sounds better than cutting 1 million babies out of their mothers wombs and murdering for stupid reasons.
And you burgers do this every single year. Who are the savages now?

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>>139191129

>>139190347
Most Asia is shit.
Makes sense

is there any evidence that spics are intrinsecally dumb like niggers? they are basically half asian half european, if intelligence is inherited mainly through genetics it makes absolutely no sense they are dumber, or it either is due to literacy rates, or IQ is not a reliable tool to measure intelligence

>>139190347
The East Asians only have high IQ in Asia

Latinos are a mix of african slaves and colonizing whites, spanisch and portugese mostly. They have only little admixture of old indigenous blood except some more isolated regions.

>>139191232
That's your Southern neighbors, Incans froze people and mummified them when they believed their gods to be displeased.
>>139191600
In America's defense those are mainly niggers.

>>139191969
intrinsically* still very impressive for a bean nigger

>>139191066
Can you source these claims anon

>>139190711
this is the correct answer

>>139190857
>We're being told that IQ of populations can change really fast, and I'm inclined to believe it.

Correct. Same as demographic change. If If a population has 3 children instead of 2, the population size would over double once the grandkids are born (in 2 generations). IQ would follow the same pattern. If the bottom 25% of people didnt mate or got out reproduced then IQ average would increase by close to 1 standard deviation. So IQ can increase or decrease rapidly.

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>>139190347
They're siberians.

>>139190347
>latinos

t. burger

>>139190469
This.

/thread.

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>>139190347
eskimos are part of the land bridge
south americans evolved from monkeys. skipped apes.
north americans are where eskimos and south americans interbred.

>>139191969
>is there any evidence that spics are intrinsecally dumb like niggers? they are basically half asian half european, if intelligence is inherited mainly through genetics it makes absolutely no sense they are dumber, or it either is due to literacy rates, or IQ is not a reliable tool to measure intelligence

Spics are no where close to nigger level. Not even close. But sadly it does seem that the majority are below white or middle eastern level judging by admission to top tier universities.

>>139190347
They evolved separately for a very long time in very different environments and cultures.

Also, the Americas weren't settled by a single people coming from Asia but by many different tribes in a long timeline. There are big genetic differences between the natives of North America and the ones in the Amazon rainforest.

>>139190711
>2nd millenium AD
u wot

>>139191969
US Latinos score basically the same as niggers on their standardized testing, SAT, ACT scores; US Latinos take more welfare than niggers (but this is simply due to much bigger families), and commit slightly less crime.
But US Latinos are not all Latinos, of course. They're basically the worst of Mexico and Central America, mixed with Puerto Rican's and cubans

>>139190347
Because they bred with niggers.

>>139190347
The south/central Americans built huge empires, pyramids, and monuments until the Spanish came. The interbreeding with Spaniards seemed to degrade them.

>>139190347
They came here 15,000 (some scientists say as early as 20,000) years ago which means had hundreds of generation evolve in a completely different continent than east asians

Genetic isolation meant they pretty much stayed in the same state as paleolithic asians until modern times

>>139190347
living in warm climates => food is readily available => no need for complex thinking => high IQ genes are not selected for

>>139193529
>The south/central Americans built huge empires, pyramids, and monuments until the Spanish came. The interbreeding with Spaniards seemed to degrade them.

Who did the Spanish breed with? It's quite possible the Spanish killed the more educated, higher IQ people and mated with the lower IQ ones. Or its possible most of the Spanish themselves were lower cast of Europeans who had below avg IQs.

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>>139191592
I have a book for you to read

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>>139193340
this. incan and aztec elite had more astronomical and mathematical knowledge than europeans,,, but this shit doesn't count very much when you face biological and gunpowder warfare.

Pizarro is know to have wrote a letter to the king of Spain in which he described Tenochtitlan as being bigger and wealthier than Rome itself was in its prime time. And the fucking city was built in the middle of a lake, in an artificial island.

>>139193721
There is no way Tenochtitlan had 1,000,000+ people

>>139193721
>had more astronomical and mathematical knowledge than european
Hue, pls. pls. just don't

>>139193818
>>139193841

spaniards are know to lie dou, a lot... hey this thing is actually written. with royal seals and shit

Asians aren't actually that smart.

If they were, then Asia wouldn't be a shithole.

>>139193289
2nd millennium AD: 1000-1999

The migration you are referring to happened 10s of thousands of years before China was even a county.

No human on earth had an alphabet at this time.

>>139193683
>>139193529
Hardly.

Spain at the time had build marvel cathedrals, universities and could travel oceans like no one else with their maritime technology. They also dominated the European battlefields with their military innovations. Hardly a nation of low IQ brutes.

Also, it is easily debunked by doing a modern comparision, Spain today has an average IQ at the level of the rest of Western Europe while all Latin American countries score below them.

>>139193721
He was exaggerating. Tenochtitlan was founded in 1325 and was only five square miles.

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>>139191129
Oh would you fuck off you would've been scalped and skullfucked by those Native American savages

>>139194034
well... you do need a little marketing for your future enterprises huh?

>>139193965
Korea isn't a shithole. Neither is Japan. China is modernizing now. They are already ahead of both Africa and South America in terms of industrialization. Sure the west had a 1st mover advantage because of the Industrial Revolution but that doesn't mean Asians are dumb.

>>139190347
Because heat makes people stupid.

>>139193924
They probably exaggerated a lot to get more leverage from the Spanish Crown to finance their enterprise.

>>139194025
>Spain at the time had build marvel cathedrals, universities and could travel oceans like no one else with their maritime technology.

Do you think the majority of Conquistadors where highly educated architectures or scholars? It's highly likely that Spain didn't send their best to America.

>>139194100
Asians see completely soul-less to me, like ants part of a system.
Whites have personality, so do mestizo and even niggers, but Asians, they seem dead in the soul

>>139193721
Then why the fuck couldn't they have invented boats and gunpowder first and colonized Europe? Why the fuck couldn't they even invent THE WHEEL?

Don't be ridiculous, they were probably at the level of ancient Egyptians - decently smart, but still got btfo by Greeks and Romans. Europeans were at least 3-4 levels ahead in the game.

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>>139194091
>>139194136

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>>139193683
Disease does not discrimate based on IQ. For the earlier part of the conquest the aristocracy of Spain's allies were granted nobility by the Crown for their service. Most of the "conquistadors" were third or second sons of minor Spanish nobility or veterans of the Italian Wars.

>>139191585
kek
tru tho

>>139194091
>go home, rest on your laurels having discovered some disease-ridden clay full of hostile wogs
>stay there, kill the wogs, hunt for gold, slay some red pussy, and charge your expenses to the state
would do the same desu

>>139191585
>implying some women aren't witches

Chinks cheat on tests
Only certain class of Chinks even take the tests
Ditto with loopoos
High IQ scores may be inflated.

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>>139194045
Why are you putting words in my mouth? Reread what I typed because your implying everything you just typed. Jumping to conclusions because why?

>>139193818
It did. You have no idea how highly populated South America was

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>>139190347
People who evolved in tropical environments with plentiful resources have lower IQ's. They are more R selected

People who evolved in colder climates with harsh winters have higher IQ's, they are more K-selected.

The Americas are incredibly lush with resources of every kind. In comparison, the European winter will kill you if you aren't prepared for it.

>>139191585
Human beings are fucking retarded in general. Europeans just happen to be a bit smarter than native Americans.

>>139191585
>killing women at the stake for being "witches" because they were doing "Gods" work.
literally nothing wrong with that

>>139194209

Soul is inversely correlated with intelligence. The dumbest people in society, nigger rapers, have the most soul and personality.

The objective data is that Asians are dominating in highly rigerous fields of engineering and business at top tier universities. If you look at the demographics today, especially in silicon valley, it's clear that they will be the new Jews 40 years from now, i.e. dominate upper-class race.

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>>139194229
They didn't have the luxury of being exposed to Mesopotamian or Levantine technology.

>>139194204
People like Cortés or Pizarro had a good education (by the time) and were cunning, diplomatic and out-smarted their enemies on every move, maybe some of their soldiers were brutish idiots, yes but who knows, the average Aztec wasn't probably more smart.

Also, Cortés had a literal black guy among his troops in México, not a slave, but an equal, a christian African soldier.

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>>139194229
da naive native theory... dey dindu needed it and shit

althought gunpowder isn't properly an european invention... yeah... natives here were'nt so advanced as people like to paint.

>>139194346
its was like having a viking life after the viking age.... and shit was approved by both crown and church! no one would think twice, my firend.

>>139191129
why don't you?

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HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS

>>139190347
Caucasians have been around for millions of years compared to sub species. We have had several world floods, meteors etc throughout our history and the white man has survived every time and rebuilt. We are the oldest human race on Earth. Do not believe your history books, or (((archaeologists))). Both Mars and Earth was seeded with life. White men had to leave Mars do to a World Wide catastrophic event. These survivors from Mars are what we know as the Solutreans. The other races such as Asians, and brown people are due to these "Mars people" breeding with them. This is also where the Mayan stories, Egyptian, Asian stories etc came from about men with white beards and blue eyes

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>>139194834
COME FROM THIS

>>139193721
You vastly underestimate Renascence Europe's astronomical knowledge, but you would be right to say both were somewhat on par.

Sadly it's not too useful a skillset unless you plan on using eclipses to terrify tribals.

>>139194461
Why would you post that pic then, there's not a single jungle or tropical region there (maybe only Florida). The darker spots are arid or semi-arid which are very deprived of resources and it is a very harsh environment with droughts, wildfires, diseases and such.

>>139194461
>>139194132

Really makes you think...

>>139194845

(citation needed)

>>139190506
>2. Your entire premise (average Asian IQ is high) is completely flawed.
Why?

>>139194834
He looks Asian, can pass for southeast Asian easily. With a haircut.

>>139190347
A significant portion of IQ is compromised by a poor upbringing. There is a reason hics are comparaclble to niggers in the IQ department.

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>>139190887
Hyborian Age Real

>>139194433
It wasn't. In 1500 the entire Western Hemisphere probably had about a quarter the population of Europe.

>>139194967
Not him but IQ as a concept of measuring genetic effect on intellegence is flawed from the get go.

>>139194982
The nose, and facial structure just look Caucasian though. The only Asian thing on Native American faces are the eyes and cheek bones

>>139190347
Because they came over when asians were still dumb. They only got smart later and those that went to the americas did not.

>>139195078
But why

>>139191232
Because vikings were such civilized, armonious people.

>>139194645
To be straight, there just isn't a community that I could think of in the modern era that is completely isolated, I remember Sam Harris talking about going to visit the Buddhist monks in his youth or something like that, seems like a good idea. But I am honestly looking for something with the culture of the pre industrial world maybe a little farther back around 1500. I would create such a society with there where individuals willing to join me.

>>139194956
read up on Solutreans, old stories about Gods from the sky. Blue eyed people from the clouds. Then research some of Graham Hancock's work. Mar's destruction also. Put two and two together.

>>139190347
american education...

natives came from asia, latinos are the mix of natives and spaniards mostly, but also africans (slavery) and asians (chinese mostly).

>>139190347
>>139190724
>Latinos
Latin based, Southern Europe, Italy/Spain/Greece

>Hispanic
Spanish based, Spain

Come on idiots, it's in the fucking name of their origin.

I have Alaskan Native blood in me giving me squinty eyes and a flat face. I don't consider myself "Latino" or "Hispanic."

>>139195158

so offer me a link to read, inb4
>look it up yourself
no, if you make a claim like that be prepared to provide material for someone

Because Mesoamerica wasn't as harsh a climate as northern China, so it wasn't just the smartest people who could survive in winter

>>139194940
Learn about r/K selection theory.

When your greatest enemy is the winter, you need to have the ability to plan ahead, and form communal networks, strong families....etc. in order to survive. You also need to be intelligent enough to manage a farm, herd livestock, participate in a rudimentary economy.

When your greatest enemy is predators and disease, you will pursue a prey mating strategy. That is, shit out as many children as humanly possible in the hopes that a few will survive. You aren't lacking resources, you can just pick them off the fruit trees, or hunt down some of the plentiful wildlife all around you. There is no selection pressure for intelligence, or communal networking. Instead, you get more of a tribal warlike culture obsessed with sex and breeding

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>>139194433
Only to be so easily pwned by fucking bacteria
That shit must have been AIDS and cancer combined for them

>>139194956
also, white people's chemistry and body clock, muscle density is more suited for a smaller planet, and gravity like Mars. There is a reason we are different from other races and it has nothing to do with neanderthal dna.

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>>139194898
i know my quote of renaissance research, i was being a little sarcastic.

natives here did better han africans... anything beyond that is leftist romanticizing of the "original" inhabitants of the continent.

they had sweet monuments dou... i can't deny.

>>139190347
Usually winter is a decisive factor when it comes to developed countries. Usually winter attack the problem from many angles, if you country have winter you need to plan ahead, save food, have a special diet high in calories, build an temperature isolated house and so on. If you are not able to overcome all of this you simply die. On the other hand if you live in south-america, you just need to extend your hand and grab a mango.

I am from south america by the way.

>>139191232
incas arent known for that, thats aztecs

>>139195119
>But why
Because IQ is more determined by the first 4 years of your life experiences than your race. Asians are not "smarter" because they're asian, it's because they are from the beginning immersed in a culture that demands perfection.
Blacks for example that are adopted by whites demonstrate significantly higher IQs than ghetto blacks.

>>139195097
They have Mongoloid skulls.

>>139195013
Fuck that's a beautiful description.

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>>139195342
>muh muscle density
Whites are the best power lifters in the world. Whites completely dominate swimming.

The only thing whites aren't as good at is running.

>>139195241
Here is something I googled quick.

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@coloured-content/conspiratorial-discussion-panel-are-white-people-from-another-planet

look into graham hancocks work. also read the CIA's Mar's documents they released about remote viewing. Then look into what happened to life on mars. I can not just give you a bunch of links as I do not have them on hand. I gave you the info i could

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OF THE SOLDIERS

The people of this land are well made,
rather tall than short. They are swarthy
as leopards, of good manners and gestures,
for the greater part very skillful, robust, and
tireless, and at the same time the most
moderate men known.

>>139190724
You've got your lost continents all fucked up, anon. Spics are refugees from Mu/Lemuria, not Atlantis.

>>139195424
>Blacks for example that are adopted by whites demonstrate significantly higher IQs than ghetto blacks.
They're still incredibly stupid compared to whites raised by whites.

>>139195424
This.
There is a genetic intelligence gao between races, but it's miniscule. The vast majority of the difference is more nurture-based in origin.

>>139195529
because we are built for Mar's gravity and environment. Like I said, we did not originate on Earth.

>>139194859
Thats a modern asian, indians would look more like paleo-asians specifically from north japanese islands

>>139195424
No they don't dumbass adopted black kids have been shown to still retain the iq gap fuck off with your weak shilling

>>139195373
The Tupi?

Or do you mean the more civilized Andean and Mesoamerican cultures?

>>139195568
That's actually not true.
Trust me man, I fucking hate niggers, but in the same environment from birth it's a negligable difference.

>>139195320
Yeah apparently 90 percent of the population was wiped out due to unexposed diseases carried over from the old world, otherwise historians say that the aboriginals would've out numbered the colonials and would've been able to fend off the invasion.

>>139193340
the things that you have to read from americans, jesus christ

>>139193683
i doubt the spanish bred with the lower caste, they would take the higher caste so they could kept diplomacy going. Otoh, they had to have lots of alliances with smaller chiefs (which rebelled against their overlords), so its possible they took the higher caste of these smaller chiefs, which would probably be just medium class on a macro view.

>>139195554
Atlantis is in Morocco.
http://asalas.org/papers/Huebner_Atlantis_Circumstantial_Evidence_full.pdf

>>139195568
Not really. There's still a gap, but it doesn't come into play because of how society is structured.
For example, a black adopted into a rich white family will by all odds outperform and end up with a higher income than whites raides in a lower tax bracket.
>b-but whites born in the same bracket would outperform
Probably? But at that level who cares? The dud is still a millionaire.

>>139195548
Explorers always say shit like that to get more funding, painting the locals as wealthy and strong to make good workers/slaves

>>139195675
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Ignore the naysaying and Jewey names of the researchers who critique the work.

>>139195681
>otherwise historians say that the aboriginals would've out numbered the colonials and would've been able to fend off the invasion.
You're underestimating how spanish conquistadors used divide and conquer among different tribes and peoples to subdue them
They were always outnumbered

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>>139195424

>>139195860
I've read the study. It doesn't account for adopted from birth, which is 90% of what matters

>>139195675
15-20 points difference in IQ, more than one standard deviation, according to the Minnesota study.

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>>139195831
Wrong race is still a better indicator of intelligence than wealth

>>139195860
>age 7
Anon i want to believe but that's WAAAAY too muvh time unacounted for

>>139195831
They're still retard-level.

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>>139195473

Read Robert E Howard
He wrote it.

>>139195966
Sure it does.

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>>139195072

>>139196050
>They're still retard-level.
Literally wrong.
Thanks for making me look like a dumb liberal shill, but like he said it's negligable

It's all my fault.
I should not supposed to separate the americas.

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>>139193721
UMA DELICIA

>>139196088
Once you're out of the sensory motor stage, your IQ is mostly set.

>>139194484
>literally nothing wrong with that
There's a reason why puritans are a dead sect in Christianity. Puritans believed that whether you go to Heaven or Hell is already decided at birth. You could follow all the Bible's teachings and do nuffin but still you're going to hell

>>139194461
Peru is desertic on the coast, mountainous (cold) by the middle, and jungle on the rest. Incas lived on the mountains mostly, and avoided the jungle.

they just were isolated from the tech of the rotw

>>139196043
Niggers don't even develop self-awareness until age 7, incidentally.

>>139196066
I do, an unsung hero of fantasy (in his time that is).

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>>139190347
that's where you're wrong kiddo, we're one of the smartest nations on earth, top #11 (even tho being too small and irrelevant to make a difference)

>oh damn i forgot WE KILLED ALL THE NATIVES in a move that has made us look like literally Hitler

maybe it has something to do with it? WHO KNOWS

>>139196139
Based on what exactly?

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>>139190506
Asian parents beat their kids if they skip math homework. Spic parents beat their kids if they act white

>>139195591

that doesn't make sense, mars has a far lighter gravity than earth, if that was true we would struggle immensely to be the best powerlifters and swimmers on earth

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>>139195831
Minnesota adoption study

>>139196139
And yet each race's IQ's still plateaued at similar levels adjusted for by later environment.

Unless you're saying white trash are better parents than 70's Niggers.

>>139195228
do people call you those?, would call you eskimo, even if you arent

>>139195673
The Tupi and the rest of natives which dwelled south america were one of the least advanced societies of human history... i think they are ahead only of australian abos.. we kinda tend to disconsider them when talking about new world natives

>>139195847
It was written by an anonymous rank and file soldier to serve as a contrast to the accounts written by Cortez and Bernal Diaz.

>>139190347
>If Latinos originially came from Asia, why is their IQ so much lower than Asians?
Because we were mixed with literally retard Spaniard criminals (I'm not saying Spaniards are retarded, but the ones sending to conquer America were criminals and retarded).

If you look at prehispanic civilizations, you could see there were tons of development (Different from the European or Asian one, but still development), Mayans used Zero, had a pretty accurate calendar, had a HUUUUUGE knowledge of Astronomy. Aztecs had a water system and sewage system, they had knowledge of acoustic and a developed social system based on skills, also great knowledge in farming (They even developed farming upon water, and build their entire city upon a lake).

After Spaniards arrive, they burned all civilization achievments (Because religion forced them to), and tried to erase all of it, then it has been 400 years of mixed people (Mexicans), fighting each other, and gettting power.

>>139196108
85-90 IQ is embarrassingly stupid.

>>139196144
I don't care about Puritans, public execution of heretics is good for any society.

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>>139195831

Thanks for pointing out that blacks don't know how to raise their own children.

Blacks should all have their kids taken away by social services to be raised by white families.

It's like Sotomayor says, "black women are the worst stewards of children."

>>139195911
Yeah but if they weren't killed off by disease then its a totally different situation, logic says that they would all just team up together, then who knows what would've happened, Spain being in the economic mess at the time would've seen the colonization as unneeded. Or maybe not and would've kept trying? Turning it into a pre-Vietnam style situation, we'll never know, but what we do is that the playing field would've been changed drastically.
>before someone says "logic"
>implying they use logic

>>139194100
Japan and South Korea are only tolerable because of 70 years of American occupation.

>>139196415
>blacks should be raised by white families
That's exactly what every white man needs, to raise a black man's son
lmao

>>139191969
Because mixing races leads to outbreeding depression through mendalian inheritance

>>139196447
They don't use logic, they think that part of the problem is our tendency towards "phallogocentrism", (male logic centered)
Being a male and using logic is just you "using your position of power to speak with unearned privileged authority"

In other words the left is full retard when you get down to the brass tacks of it

>>139196544
The liberals would be more than happy to have them.

Personal testimony from a black women who got taken away by social services.

Black Women are they the worst stewards of children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifk8CyX0B0E

>>139196222
the hell you talking about, colonials were super racist and pro white, in fact if you were born in spain you were superior to colonials, this is less marked but still persists, with euros being looked up and blacks down (not enough that a black will always fail in life/euro white always win, but they have to be hard workers)

>>139190347
>Be Spain
>Send an army of pirates and criminal mercenaries to conquer the new world
>Your army of brutes murders all the aristocrats, intellectuals, scientists and poets of the indigenous tribes
> Left with all the masses of uneducated peasants of the savage warriors who you could not subdue (but the amnerindian intellectuals knew how to control)
>Your pirates and criminal mercenaries start breeding with uneducated peasants and uncivilized tribes they made alliances with
>Amerindian nobility says fuck it and leaves Mexico and move to Spain
>Left with the children of low iq Spanish criminals and brutes and indian peasants
>hurr durr why spics so dumb
As always white people are to blame

>>139196350
That's what I thought, guess you meant the civilized natives in America not the natives from Brazil in your prior post.

>>139196978
>>Amerindian nobility says fuck it and leaves Mexico and move to Spain

lol, no. they're were pretty much killed or bought into submission.

>>139190857
>>139192974
So the Mayans had writing and complex societies, and the Spaniards were European, and the Mexicans are basically the descendants of the Mayans and Spaniards.
And you're telling me that somehow they got stupid in the 500 years since the Conquistadors?
How the fuck is that supposed to have happened?

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Just an FYI
Disease wiped out most of the Indians in north and south America before they even saw a white man.

Who knows how that played out according to IQ
Lots of ways for a killing disease to segregate those who die and those who live by IQ.
and yes even by killing high IQ over low IQ.
Being more social and therefore more prone to communicable disease could be one example.
Another is elites were supposed to protect the plebs against such wrath from the gods. So the plebs killed their smarter elites.
Remember Montezuma was just seizing power over Mexico after a plague swept those in power away to their graves and sacrificing the favored sons and daughters of his vassal states to appease the gods when Cortez showed up.

>>139196447
>>139195911
>>139195681
You guys act like Spain just came in and took over in a few days and closed the book. Mexico itself took 60 years to be conquered and even till this day the Mayan people are still fighting back the invasion of their lands

>>139196978
Except the majority of the soldiers were disinherited hidalgos or veteran professional soldiers. How else will you have the arms and equipment, not to mention the training to conduct war?

>>139190347
white genes fucked them up

>>139195424
No. Blacks raised by whites have a higher a IQ than other blacks, but still not higher than Arabs, whites, Asians, or Jews

>>139195675
Incorrect. The IQ persists because it's is, in fact, genetic.

>>139197154
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo

>>139196978
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_nobility#Indigenous_nobility
Actually not at all, even the Aztec royal family is still alive and a very active Noble family (although white now).

>>139196888
I don't know how it works in Peru, but in Mexico for brownies and lower social classes, acting like whites is something bad (Kinda hypocritical because that's what they want to achieve, their ultimate goal), so acting like a "fresa" or "mirrey" (White rich young people) is mocked and ridiculed, if people use "white" make up, they usually get laughed for looking like an "empanada", same for brown people getting their hair blonde, blonde girls are usually seen as "güeras desabridas", etc...

Like I said it's somethign complicated, and probably it's something very Mexican.

>>139194967
because only a small group of asians have high IQ. Mainly Nippon, Korea, and certain parts of China. The majority of China is literal nigger tier.

>>139190347
The Mayans were legit but everyone else got mixed to hell and back.

>>139196978
I'm happy some American understand it. The Latin American conquest was not a peaceful transition like the one in USA.

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>>139196978
>Be Spain
>Send an army of minor nobles and peasants to conquer the new world
>Your army gets almost eaten and brutally murdered on multiple occasions
>Left with masses of cannibalistic savages that you must civilize
>Your army breeds with some of the population, evidently not many since they're all still brown
>Amerindian nobility completely submits, adopts spanish names, religion and titles, and rules under the governers
>Left with low iq subjects
>Spics dumb as always
Fucking white people

>>139196826
I'm not even talking about leftists like lol I don't know where or why your going with this, completely relevant to what I'm talking about.

>>139197154
The Tlaxcalans enjoyed favorable treatment for being under the Spanish and the Otomi were granted and and nobility for their service under arms. Hell, even Moctezuma's descendants live in Spain as nobility to this day.

>>139190347
what is diverging evolution
what is mediterranean culture

>>139197389
>Actually not at all, even the Aztec royal family is still alive and a very active Noble family (although white now).
In Mexico that is.

>>139197154
Most of the indians joined the Spaniards willingly after being completely destroyed in battle while outnumbering the Spaniards 20:1

>>139190724
Atlanteans migrated everywhere

>>139197325

There are no genes for intelligence.

None have ever been found.

Intelligence is epigenetic or congenital.

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>>139197389
Yeah that is what I said, the nobility left to Spain and left Mexico with all the dumb peasants. Surprisingly they have retained some amerindian features. Unless the Spaniards truly are not white.

Pic related Juan José Marcilla de Teruel-Moctezuma y Valcárcel

>>139197414
Here white people have been memed as "pitucos", the equivalent of snobs.
Are you refering to that kind of white attitude?

>>139197527
Cortez was almost wiped out by Xicotencatl the Younger and wouldn't have gotten anywhere without his indigenous allies.

>>139197372
>>139197634
yeah... the portuguese brought some of ours to their land too.... fact is... they were like the black duke from Russia.... fucking pets to the metropolitans. An object of interest and demonstration of reach by their king.

The other 99% of nobility died from disease and lead.

>>139197763
cuz they hated eacother more than they hated the new enemy.. yeah.

>>139197826
Wasn't Xicotencatl a Tlascalan? I don't think Cortes had indigenous help against them.

>>139193965
read a history book you ignorant fuck

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>>139197886
> 99% of nobility died from disease and lead.

They intermarried with Spanish nobility. The Conquistadoeres didn't have much firearms. Their crossbowmen were more effective. Not too mention they suffered more than 50% casualty rate.

>>139197414
is this since forever? Peru had a case of that, but only during the "native revolution" (not a revolution, but a time where they took power, pretty much just like blacks did with obama and they wanted payback, they did their revenge, tensions dropped a bit, country went to shit a couple decades later making racial issues second fiddle to not dying, and that was it)

Trying to look euro was also looked down during the communist phase, among the anti-imperialists at least.

It might be that you just are stuck at that phase, or that you live in a mostly native circle. I lived in a 50/50 setup AFTER the racial issues and there was nothing worthy of mention.

>>139197886
Not eachother, Mexicans specifically.

>>139198174
well... you don't make bolts with wooden heads

>>139197505
The lowest IQ in Asia is 90. Ireland is 90. Most Chinese are poor but they are still higher IQ than you are.

>>139198024
He was a faction among the Tlaxcallan confederation. A rival lord interceded just as Xicotencatl was about to deliver the coup de grace to Corez. He sent a small army to safeguard Cortez and enlisted him as an ally.

>>139194461

>Sunlight duration
What the fuck?
How come those lines in the US follow no mountain shadows, cloud overcast climate differences or latitude?

How the fuck are they even measuring sunlight duration?!?!

>>139190347
French+Moor=Spanish
Spanish+Indigenous American Indians = Latinos

>>139197527
There is not proof that the Aztecs or any other tribes the Spaniards fought against were cannibals bruh.
The point if retarded spaniards had an effect on the low iq as well

>>139198447
He allied with the lords of Tlascala to fight the Mexicans. You made it sound like he had indigenous help when fighting the Tlascalans which isn't true.

>>139198188
Yeah probably, Malitzin (Or "Malinche") was one of the first natives to marry an Spaniard, since then their kids has been called "Hijos de la Chingada" and her called "La Chingada" (Chingada literally means a native girl fucked/raped by a white dude) and it's probably the worst offense, insult and profanity to anyone. This has been since Colonial times.

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>>139198609
You mean Celtic+Ibererian+Punic+Italic+Germanic=Spanish.

>>139190347

Why are Africans unable to develop a decent society?

Even the poorly developed latino/hispanic peoples show the same POTENTIAL as whites, even if not having reached it. So why are Africans unable to do this?

>>139198174
>nobility
No
They were Spanish soldiery and Spanish sailors.
They only became a sort of nobility after they took over Mexico and were given lands gold and Indian slaves for their service.

>>139198644
Bernal Diaz claims so in "The Conquest of New Spain"

>>139198686
Except he had Totonac allies when fighting the Tlaxcala.

>>139197814
Nah he meant that poor brown Mexicans get mocked when they try and act like the rich white kids of the Mexican upper class.
But Mexicans also have meme for rich white snobs like you guys. We call them fresas, juniors or mirreyes

>>139196538
Wut
Japan and Korea started degenerating due to American occupation.

>>139199055
You have to go back Pablo

>>139197793
>the nobility left to Spain
Not for many, many generations. Most left after Independence (being robber barons). Or again after Franco died and when the Spanish royals returned.

>>139196224
>that doesn't make sense, mars has a far lighter gravity than earth
Currently it does, but that's because it's core slowed down or some shit. Which is also why it doesn't have a magnetosphere protecting it from radiation. Mars at once point had a much more active core, which means the planet had more gravity.

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Dominican here.
We have almost no native blood. We're mostly mulattos, yet we're the most master race of all Latinos. (Check the stats on our economic growth for a decade now)

The point is, Latinos are not a monolith. That's racist. Also, I.Q is not proper way to measure the intelligence of people nor is it logical to conclude that whatever I.Q measure is innate. (Due to the cultural element) The only time genes have an effect on intelligence is when it's a negative, I.E detrimental, there's no gene that makes people more capable into "smarts"or intelligence.

Of course, pol/fags wouldn't understand because they don't read or even think things through before they comment.

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>>139198830
>believing religious people
The same guy claimed The Virgin appeared to a native guy and the Virgin was brown, and she gave him a magic cloak printed magically.

So do you belive that part too?

>>139198961
He had some guides and chiefs with him, not a sizeable band of "allies"

>>139199288
Dominicans are all niggers

>>139199212
>Mars at once point had a much more active core, which means the planet had more gravity.
wut?

>>139199422
He's right tho.

>>139199325
I'll believe a zealous Spaniard over a brown, cannibalistic, aryan worshipping nonaryan any day.

>>139199422
White version of we wuz space kangs.

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>>139198828
Cortez, Pizzaro and many of the leadership came from minor nobility. Besides Spanish soldier wasn't common peasants but decently paid professional soldiers, The Spanish legions weren't a rabble of militia but a standing army of salaried men groomed by hidalgo officers.

>>139199373
You think he was foraging for food to supply an expedition of that size?

>>139198764
nice, learned something new, native unity is not THAT strong here, so long as they are happy with their lives they are a bit more tolerant, must be the warrior blood on your side

>>139199325
Newton was religious
You believe in gravity?
Also in the 1400s was anyone Indian or Spaniard not religious?

Also religious? He had faith like everyone but he was just a soldier. Have you read his book? Do you even know who the fuck Bernal Diaz even is?

>>139199608
Conquistadors were literally impoverished nobles and criminals.whowere given an opportunity to serve the crown.

not quite related but good hymn nonetheless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAMkb6QgyMs

>>139197414
I can't say I've ever experienced this myself but I wasn't raised in Mexico.
I was brought up on the idea that Whites were more haughty so I should be especially curteous around one but there was never any animosity.

>>139199509
No, just no.

Gravity has everything to do with mass and distance and absolutely nothing to do with inner core activity. The mass is conserved.

They're descendant of the siberian savage mongs that crossed the land bridge, It's not like the grandpa of a reserve Indian is a modern high IQ Jap. That being said, the Incans and Aztects were high cultures in their own right Couldn't hold a candle to european technology though.

>>139198830
>claims
That is not proof. The cannibal meme comes from because Aztecs used "I am going to kill you and eat you" as an insult. It was just saying you are basically an animal, you are not human so I might as well eat you. It did not mean they were actually ate people. It was the prehispanic equavilant of "I am going to fuck you in the ass bitch" or "Suck my balls". It does not mean you actually fuck dudes or have guys perform oral sex on you, it's an insult telling someone they are not a man, or they are basically a female or a sissy. Years from now, historians are going to say "Americans were gay as fuck, they went around their balls sucked by their enemies" each time they read some an anon tell another anon he is going to make him suck his dick.
Basically what happened with the Aztecs and the cannibal shit was this
>Battle breaks out in Mexico city while Cortez was out
>Spanish soldiers barricade themselves inside a temple
>Aztecs surround the temple and start mocking them Spaniards, calling them cowards and telling them they are going to eat them
>"OMG bro you hear that! Theese savages are going to eat us!"
Again in Mesoamerica telling someone you were going to kill and eat them was calling them an uncivilized animal, which was a huge insult in that region. This was the land of poetry, the sciences and civilization, comparing someone to an animal was a big insult. You cant really take the Spanish propaganda to serous either way, they tried everything to justify their treatment of the indians, they even claimed the Aztecs practiced homosexuality when, homosexuality was penalized by death in the Aztec empire. So saying someone "claimed" is not proof enough

>>139199608
>Cortez, Pizzaro and many of the leadership came from minor nobility. Besides Spanish soldier wasn't common peasants but decently paid professional soldiers

I thought that a lot of Cortez's men on his first journey were prisoners given parole in exchange for joining the mission.

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>>139199810
Most of them were veterans of the Italian Wars. They had nothing to do after kicking French ass in Italy and were led by students of El Gran Capitan.

>>139195424
IQ is 50-80% heritable

>>139199909
Either way, Mars faced a (near) extinction event that made it what it is today. It's former inhabitants now live underground.

>>139191066
You can train to improve your neurological response time by not getting drunk the day of the test. Pro tip.

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>>139194229
When you live in the mountains the wheel isnt a big help desu but they did have it as you can see in the toy in the image they just didnt have many uses for it.

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>>139199718
He made deals to get food yea, but he did a lot of foraging. Only after the Tlascalans join Cortes and he has 500 Spaniards and 20000+ Indians under his command does he have regular shipments of food and some reinforcements from Cuba and Tlascala, mainly.
>>139199942
Diaz, one of the actual fucking conquistadores, not some dumbshit who starts talking about things after everyone is dead, makes claims. He also recounts in details the ways in which Mexicans tore out hearts, ate the limbs, and gave the rest to animals. This man is somehow wrong because you seem to think so

>>139199810
If you read Bernal Diaz even the Nobility among them were criminals
Fuckin Cortez was ordered back multiple times and was not even supposed to be in Mexico fighting Indians!!

>>139200201
>wheel isnt a big help
They had (and you still do) incredibly flat roads leading throughout the Incan empire, the better argument would be that a lack of applicable beasts of burden existed, but even then people are a suitable replacement.

Also millstones, essentially wheels and would've been a huge and (seemingly obvious) benefit to their maize economy.

>>139199942
There's no proof of anything in history. But even cucked historians nowadays think that the Aztecs probably did practice ritualised cannibalism.

They didn't do it because they were hungry though. For instance during the final siege of Tenochtitlian the Aztecs never resorted to mas cannibalism even though they were dying like flies. It was a religious thing, and the scantly evidence we have does suggest that it happened sometimes.

>>139200415
Cortez went against Velasquez the governor of Cuba but he was not a criminal in the eyes of the crown.

But yeah a lot of them were criminals.

>>139200094
Do you have any supporting evidence?

>>139195785
>i doubt the spanish bred with the lower caste,
They'd rape anyone.

>>139200206
>Diaz, one of the actual fucking conquistadores
So the same guys who created all the anti amerindian propaganda to justify genocide, rape and enslavement?

Face it bro, if it was true there would be accounts of it on the indian side. But no amerindian texts, not even from enemy tribes describes cannibalism by the Aztecs. You are talking about mesoamerican tribes who are not only alive today, but their languages are still spoke, their literature is there present, and so are the remains of their civilizations and none point that cannibalism was present. The only thing we have to go by is a spanish soldier claiming his enemies were monsters.
I mean find me nahuatl text or even Aztec paintings that suggest cannibalism. I believe there is only one painting that kinda seems like they are eating some dude but that it is. So much nahuatl poetry, history and literature written down and none of them talk about eating dudes

>>139200652
NO dummy they're all underground and also invisible and they only whisper to each other really quietly.

>>139196066
Yeah and his poetry is underrated too.

>>139200089
You'll never be able to prove that in a objective way.

>>139191585
Well, clearly they didn't do it enough

>>139200652
I saw it on Sci after the solar eclipse but sorry no I don't have any links at the moment. For now you'll have to be satisfied with remote view data

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4T4CA84j0

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>>139200440
The roads were not very flat and consisted mostly of narrow winding paths through the mountains, while on some stretches wheels would have made sense for a long trip it was far easier to carry them on animals like llamas rather than using a cart and for agriculture they werent used either due to the terrace farming they used but they did have the concept.

>>139200562
Maybe, but what I am saying is that most of the "Aztecs were cannibals" is straight up propaganda. Like you said there is very few evidence that suggests that this was true, a few paintings show me rituals where it seems like maybe they are eating some guys or maybe not. But this guy >>139200206 wants us to believe Spanish propaganda telling us Aztecs went around eating everyone and chowing down hearts just for fun. Like you said take away the Spanish accounts that made up shit from sodomy to cannibalism and you have almost nothing to suggest that cannibalism did happen. Again with so much nahuatls texts and literature the Aztecs wrote, you would think they would of mentioned it somewhere in there

>>139190347
>IQ so much lower than Asians
Source?

>>139200770
>Trust me, Mexican filth living in the US whitey. I have your best interests in mind. Also, PAY REPARATIONS YOU FUCKIN RAPIST.
I don't expect you to keep written records you subhuman. You keep men in cages, fatten em up, and then eat the fuckers. Why? Face it bro, it's in your nature

real native americans cant grow a mustache

Approximate time each race spent in harsh "ice-age" environments or in regions where the seasons drastically changed.

North/East Asians 40,000-60,000 years
Europeans 40,000 years
South Asians 30,000 years
Native Americans 20,000 years
Blacks/Australoids 0 years

The top of the list had more natural selection, i.e. the people that were smart enough to plan for winter or survive in it year round were the ones who passed down their genes.

This is why the races who spent time in the cold have small penises. Large penis gene carriers had their dicks frostbitten off. So only people with small penises were able to pass down their DNA in these groups. The Greeks made their marble statues have small penises because they knew the fact that having a large penis meant that you were an inferior barbarian..

>>139201062
I'm sorry but something that someone simply imagines in their own mind can not be called data.

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>>139200770

>Doesn't know what archaeology is.

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>>139200770
There's not a lot of Nahuatl written down before wholesale suppression of un-european Aztec practices though.

In any case I think no-one except Bernal Diaz said that cannibalism was a part of daily life, just a particular kind of religious ceremony.

>>139201152
Ok I agree with this. I'm not trying to shit central american civlisation at all btw. I actually think they're really under-appreciated.

>>139194229
>Why the fuck couldn't they even invent THE WHEEL?
hurr durr muh wheel!!
Why do whites boys always bring this shit up? There was no fucking domestic animals for that shit dumb fuck. You wanted the Aztecs to ride around in carriages pulled by deer like fucking Santa Claus?
I guess if maybe they traveled to the great plains, somehow managed to domesticate bison while there, then travel back to mesoamerica with their new pets. Then creating the wheel would of been something of value. But do you see how fucking ridiculous this whole shit sounds? Can bison even be domesticated in a way that they can become farm and work animals? Read a fucking book dude

>>139201500
it's holographic data downloaded to your subconscious.

>>139201510
not native

>>139198375
Ireland has an average IQ of 90 because everyone intelligent has emigrated for the last 200- odd years. It's dysgenics at work.

>>139201522
and where does archaeology suggest cannibalism?

>>139190347
They came from Spain.

>>139195591
we wuz martians n shiet

>>139201639
I'm English but I'm pretty sure this is Anglo lies.

>>139201599
Oh, see when I was young we called that imagination.

>>139201752

WE

>>139201549
A religious ceremony that happened almost everyday in Mexico, yea.

>>139201755
Than how come Average Irish IQ in the US is higher than 90?

>>139201876
I dont think anyone in the US is full Irish unless their parents are recent immigrants

>>139197201
wait i thought it was small pox blankets?
what was the plague?
was it the Black Death?

>>139201876
Because the average IQ in Ireland is also higher than 90. It's just that most people use Lynn who had flawed methodology.

>>139201849
according to who?

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>>139200770
>and none point that cannibalism was present.
>none
M-13 disagrees with you

>>139202055
The men who were there.

>>139201571
they probably can, but over a long period of time (original cows/bulls were not as they currently are), the spanish would have arrived first probably

>>139202344
you are still going to run with that Spanish propaganda? kek

>>139196372
> they burned all civilization achievments (Because religion forced them to)
I think it had more to do with it being easier to rule a dumb population with no cultural identity, history, or central leadership...oh fuck.

>>139202376
Even then, bison was nowhere near the Aztecs

Mexicans are proof that Indians fucked buffalo.

>>139200770
not every savage was accused of cannibalism.

>>139201097
Fair points, still though wheels (and the resulting pulleys) still seem like they'd have worked out fantastically for them.

>>139201695
Sacrificial dais with blood gutters.
As described by the Spanish being used to collect blood to drink in ceremony and as found today in Indian ruins.

>>139197414
>mfw there are brayans and kevins all over the place
>go elsewhere and there's shit tons of mirreyes and pochos that got depirted and are petulant and nnoying as fuck
jesus christ, just make it fucking stop, i can't deal with this shit anymore, their faggotry was kind of funny at first, but now it is unbearable.

>>139197519
>American conquest of the west
>Peaceful
Nah, we just didn't do as much raping as the Spanish.

>>139203051
US just expelled them and didn't mix, while spanish literally conquered them, changed their language and religion

>>139201571
>domisticate bisons
from what i've heared, those things can not be domesticated

Somewhere along the lines there is truth to this. Growing up in Alaska I've noticed the contrast between Eskimos and other Alaskan natives. Eskimos (Inuit, Inupiaq, & Yupik) look asiatic compared to the Tlingit, Haida, and Tsimshian natives that migrated down the coast throughout Southeast Alaska. The former look like Pacific Islanders and probably whoever they themselves descended from. See for yourselves, there's Alaskan AND Siberian Yupiks. Despite the term "Alaskan" for the south-coastal natives, they're nonetheless relatively closer to the indigenous people of coastal British Columbia or the Pacific Northwest in the lower-48 than any Alaskan or Canadian Eskimo

>>139203176
Same could be said of Aurochs, it's a gradual progression from tamed to domesticated.

And tame Bison definitely exist.

>>139203128
They just culturally enrich the americans with half arab iberic culture.

>>139203219
The *latter

>>139199942
Lad, wtf are you on about? It's well established that the Aztecs practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice. It's absolutely cut and dried (no pun intended). Archaeological evidence of this abounds. Physical evidence. And it's like it's a slur on them or anything - no-one thinks they were the only people doing that - cultures from all over the world have had similar practices.

>>139203219

The *latter

>>139203436
>not like it's a slur

>>139190711
>the majority of Amerindians remained hunter-gatherers until they were colonized.
>The Aztecs, Maya, and Inca are a small % of the overall native western hemisphere gene pool.
Can't be assed to read the whole thread, but you couldn't be more wrong. Sedentary agriculturalists significantly outnumbered hunter-gatherers.

As far as the "Aztecs, Maya and Inca" go, even though they're the only groups you've heard of, there were other large, developed civilizations and even empires in the Americas. Even still, the population of the Inca Empire alone was several times larger than the population of the entire United States at the time of contact.

You're right, though, that one of the main reasons the Americas lagged behind Europe & Asia is that they developed agriculture much later.

>>139194461
>its alway sunny in the Roman Empire

IQ across a population can increase relatively quickly if the environment is right

https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence/#composition-of-iq-gains

>>139195591
I would not deny your statement but would like to correct - It wasn't Mars but the Waterworld of which the Mars was a moon.
There is a reason that "Whites" have been the centre of animosity and demonizing.
There is a reason that they are betrayed all the time.
They have been fucked before by the Cosmic Versailles as the Versailles did to Germany. Versailles wasn't the first "treaty" to subjugate and subvert Europe. There is a precedence which are still recorded in stone tablets of the library of Asshurbanipal.

I don't come from asia. Rofl

>>139203128
>while spanish literally conquered them, changed their language and religion
The fuck do you think reservations were? We literally did the same thing. They just weren't as useful as slaves as black Africans so we killed them in droves and herded the survivors into camps in the middle of nowhere where we forced them to take Christian names and convert.

>>139203778
WE

>>139204016
You're right Ali Sheikh Mohammad al bin Muhammad. I shouldn't have used, "we." Let me retroactively change it to, "colonists and the subsequent United States government that followed."

>>139204016
WUZ

>>139190347
Latinos are actually the smartest race (being the Wasian masterrace)
They are just way too smart, so that they intentionally tank their scores on IQ tests so we won't figure it out.

>>139190347
>a lower caste
literally a meme
gtfo you ita shit-tier scum slob

>>139198609
Spaniards are not fucking moors. Get to morocco and then Spain, you'll see the difference.

>>139193976
Actually its 1001-2000

>>139201807
Learn how to do it. Then you wouldn't be saying that.