Catholic fag here... is it possible to be an active member of

>>138959554
Yes, but that means you're cucking yourself.

Yeah, it's called being a 'bad' Catholic. Most Catholics do it to a greater or lesser extent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism

https://www.youtube.com/user/ChurchMilitantTV


Join the resistance pal

>>138959554
You will find that many catholics dislike the pope, at least in Europe. The vatican's immigration ministry for example supports our far right party and claims that Benedict is the true pope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJqVJ4w_wF8

>>138959554
she's like an uglier version of stephen fry in drag

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>>138959554
Only if you regularly attend clown mass

This website is run by Mel Gibson's 90 year old father of all people. He is an ardent proponent of sedevacantism, he has written a few books on the subject.

http://www.huttongibson.com/

>>138959654
Explain

>>138959976
What's to explain? Supporting a degenerate institution while knowing it's wrong is plain cuckoldry.

For me, I could stand the Pope's degeneracy, and I could even try to ignore the child abuse. The straw that broke the camel's back was when the Pope last year replaced the leader of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, also known as the Knights Hospitallier. The faggot bitch Pope essentially ended the sovereignty of a thousand year old ley order that has never answered to the Vatican, thus destroying the last of the ley orders. Now who will defend the faith?

>>138959908
Do you attend church

>>138959554

Currently going through the steps of getting married, Lad. Nearly every priest I've heard in Barcelona "Jesus would want us to have more refugees, if they commit violence remember we must forgive, we must turn the other cheek". Not exactly Deus Vult.

I held out huge hope for Benedict the 16th. Francis is not European, and has been brought up with an anti-colonial mindset. Even though I feel ill when I say it, he has completely allowed his bias to take over. It genuinely pains me.

I'm even looked into Orthodoxy, but for now will remain cucked.

>>138959554
Read upon arianism and its eventual defeat. Find a traditional parish and help it grow. People are seriously misunderstanding the nature and authority of the papacy.

what are your concerns about the pope?

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>>138959554

>>138960047
Do you attend a church

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Is that gabe newel what the fuck man

>>138960071
I too have been tempted to dip my toes into the Orthodoxy waters. FUCKING POPE.

>>138960119
He is changing the path of the Catholic Church towards a globalist agenda advocating refugees and acceptance of faggotry

>>138960119
He is too left wing for many Catholics which tend to be more right wing, at least here in Italy

>>138960069
only on easter, rarely otherwise

>>138959554
You can be critical of the Pope but you should still respect him due to the office he holds.

>>138960119
He's a communist faggot.

>>138960129
Fuck off nigger you probably have never attended services at any church you piece of shit

>>138959554
Yes. The pope is a human like the rest of us. He is not God and can be wrong on many things, even matters related to Faith and Morals EXCEPT when such matters are spoken of in ex cathedra.
Don't let man's weakness be what pulls you away from Christ's Church.

>>138960119
Also he tends to ignore agreements that are almost a century old between Italy and the vatican

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipa2Vpl7Mhc

TAKE THE VORTEX PILL

>>138960071

Seems logical for the Christians to want to help refugees

When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)

He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. (Deuteronomy 10:18-19)

Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt. (Exodus 23:9)

No stranger had to spend the night in the street, for my door was always open to the traveler (Job, discussing his devotion to God) (Job 31:32)

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>>138960294
true

he's a LITERAL communist

>>138960322
My mother tells me to concern myself with it and to concentrate on the teachings of god but it is hard for me to not have some pretty discouraging thoughts when they offer prayers for him during mass

>>138959554
Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism

>>138960320
>Needed religion to teach you how to lead a good life because you're too fucking basic to figure it out

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>>138960322
Also he is super fucking creepy

>>138960071
>>138960241

The Church is guided by God, not the pope, stay strong. The church has lasted for two thousand years - it will weather this storm.

>>138960471
>not praying that God inspires Divine Wisdom in our leader
If anything, we should be doing it more often with how things are turning out.

>>138960510
This isn't an anti religion thread take your atheist bull shit somewhere else you faggot

>>138960531
>>138960071
>>138960241
Just remember that throughout history the Church has survived worse Popes (even one selling the Vatican off) and the Church is still here today.

>>138960577
I guess I never thought of it that way to be honest

>>138960415
>0415 ▶
> >>138960071 (You)
> I agree

When someone needs help, they should get it.
But it isn't help when we are being erased, and they are economic migrants.

Christ said "the poor will always be with us". We need to help them develop, in their own countries as much as possible. We need to support our own poor people get off the streets. We need to focus much more on what we, as Catholics are capable of doing ourselves.

The notion that we have to give everything we have, and and everything we have to the migrants is as fanatical as any crusade.

>>138960588
You don't sound very Christian to me. Kiss some more nigger feet and come back when you've learned some humility.

>>138960415
Except of course, thery're not really refugees.
Open your eyes anon and look at the photos / videos.

>>138960531
But with the way the world is going could future popes be any better?

>>138959554
Well thank God for that

>>138959554
Even Dante Alighieri did that.
The Catholic Church is an istitution, with many great people, but that is plagued with priest, cardinals and pope that have degenerate the faith or that don't believe at all.

>>138960651
Christians talk down to atheists all day everyday since forever, wtf are you on about?

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>>138959554
>Catholic fag here... is it possible to be an active member of the church while ignoring the degeneracy of our current pope?

When people talk about church leaders affecting how they view Catholicism I find St. Augustine very helpful. He was in a debate with a man who thought only the morally excellent could be priests. Augustine's response, quickly paraphrased, is that it is the the grace administered during the sacraments and the authority of the doctrinal teaching does not come from the moral excellence of man, but from God.

You have mixed up priorities to deny a 2000 year old institution and its worldview because of its current leaders.

>>138960658
I use the statement ironically because I'm completely aware of the situation. That's why I'm so conflicted

>>138960737
Thank you for that modern Mary image, it is beautiful.

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Catholics need to accept Orthodox teachings and stop flying wherever the wind blows them off to

>>138960737
>Just remember that throughout history the Church has survived worse Popes (even one selling the Vatican off) and the Church is still here today.


This is what I tell myself. I am not there for a particular priest. I am there for my belief, and that of my family for more the millenia in our faith.

>>138960730
A "perfect" church wouldn't let any of us be members of it.

>>138960651
We are having a discussion about white man topics take yout degenerate ass somewhere else

>>138959894
>>138959554
Dailly reminder that despite generations of kike propaganda even swedes still primarily date within their own race.

>>138960869
I just feel uninspired about being apart of a religion whose leader I don't agree with. Think about how engaged in the church were when someone like Pope John was leading the church. We need someone like that again to revive people's beliefs

>>138959554
Why do you need to belong to a church? Surely you don't unironically think that the Pope is in direct contact with Yahweh?

>>138960874
I will, but your >>138960737 babby jesus looks like a downie

>>138961001
Honestly i don't believe any one man has any more of a connection with god more than another but it's a tradition I adhere to as is explained in the Bible

>>138961056
You're really edgy and cool

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>>138960651
"you don't know jesus, WE know jesus, we tell YOU who jesus is"

>>138959554
Eww cunt

>>138961168
Hey that's my sister :/

>>138959554
Can someone give me statistics about fags I need them

>>138961230
Like how many dicks they suck?

>>138960841
While not an exact comparison, think of it as being a nationalist while having a shitty president.

>>138960247
>He is changing the path of the Catholic Church towards a globalist agenda

The Catholic church is globalist by its very nature. White nations and nationalism are literally the result of globalist, universalist aspirations by church and crown being rejected in favour of popular self determination.

The Papacy is in fact the longest existing globalisation agency on the planet. Global domination and homogenization of doctrine is the G O A L of the organisation.

Get your terms right.

>>138959554
90% of Catholics are secretly hoping our next pope is a Robert Sarah-tier conservative. The other 10% are vocal about it. Sarah would work so well, he's smart, experienced, African (immune to 90% of criticism) and compares those who support abortion with Nazis. With him in charge the church would be an unstoppable force for good.

>>138961364
no, you are very mistaken

Christianity is about spreading the teachings of Christ globally, not merging Christianity with some globalist agenda

the world needs to accept Christ, not Christ the world

>>138960998
Saint John Paul the Great was a great leader. We were fortunate to have such a person shepherd us in our lifetime. But, as with all things, we'll have some winners and some stinkers.
We can take comfort in the fact that God will always provide for His Church. His grace administered to us through the Sacraments of the Holy Mass and Confession can keep us afloat through any tribulations of this world.

>>138961334
Pretty good comparison acrually

>>138960415
>foreigner
>traveler
GUEST, the meaning of foreigner in your land means somebody who is different and is passing through. A refugee is an outsider who's claiming a part of your land. In any other century mass-immigration like what we're experiencing would be considered aggressive colonisation.

>>138961334
Pretty good comparison actually

>>138959940
>autographed version of book
>only available as free download

What did he mean by this?

>>138960672
We have to have faith.

>>138961461
My thoughts exactly. He was right in stating is a globalized religion but what I meant was more about the church spreading ideas of economic and cultural globalization

Does it say anywhere in the holy Bible, that Jesus promoted praying in private, or promoted studying and practicing your faith by yourself?
Some anon told me months ago about this but I'm not sure, I only recently begun studying the Bible.

>>138961630
Yes we do brother

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>>138959554
Just go for the right one
Society of Saint Pius X

>>138961678
I mean praying in private and having a relationship with god is key but attending mass is also something instructed in the Bible

>>138959554
>"catholic"
>"our people"
You're either a catholic or you're worshipping at the altar of your own blood.

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I'm not a christian myself but Pope Francis has left a good impression on me.

Chomsky discusses liberation theology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDmEI-8GUV4

Pope Benedict seemed like the weird one

>>138961678
Matthew 6:6
But then theres Matthew 18:20

I think the main take away is spend time in prayer. The methodology need not be as important as actually doing it.

>>138961752
I'm a pope Benedict fan. Can't go
Wrong with someone who was a former member of the Hitler youth

>>138961757
Where does it say that one must attend mass?

>>138961273
ya thanks

>>138961874
I cannot quote the Bible like some anons. I'm just saying traditionally Sunday is a day set aside for mass. so I'm not saying you're wrong it's just what I'm used to that's all

>>138961663
well yes, when we're talking about globalism, we're talking about the current marxist globalist agenda

they want either atheism or this goofy new "world religion" where "all worship the same god but with different names"

>>138961943
Like a zillion ?

No. I haven't went to a Catholic church since I found out the entire Vatican is a pedophile guild over a decade ago... And so many priests are pedophiles that you have to suspect they all are. I don't understand the mental gymnastics on how you can consider yourself even Christian when you're just worried about one pope when the degenerate truth of the entire church is common knowledge now...

>>138962013
I'm gonna say more atheism. I see it promotes everywhere. As a cool smart way of thinking. That being religious is for ass backwards rednecks who can't get with "the times"

>>138961834
Yes thank you and agreed!

The first one seems to imply that one must pray and keep it between them and the Lord.
The second one seems to imply God is within and amongst a group of people starting from two or three who gather in his name.

The bible is really based!

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>>138961415
It'd be excellent but you know full well /pol/ would hate the man and Catholicism for being African.

>>138961364
>The Catholic church is globalist by its very nature.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/globalism

"The operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."

The pope isn't the leader of a state outside the Vatican so there is no operation or planning of foreign policy. Now if you say that the church referencing the common good and calling for it everywhere (in varying degrees and respects) is being globalist then anyone holding objective moral values that transcend nation could be considered globalist, which no one would claim. The Catholic Church is, by its nature, not globalist.

>White nations and nationalism are literally the result of globalist, universalist aspirations by church and crown being rejected in favour of popular self determination.

This begs the question.

>>138961999
No problem anon, thank you for helping me anyway.
Also nice trips.

>>138959554
Join the SSPX. They're uncucked and reject the Vatican II heresy.

>>138962136
Every religion has a problem with that. Whenever there is someone in charge with close contact with children there's always going to be some sick fuck to take advantage of it. I believe the Jewish media just makes a point to publicly it more than other religions because of their grudge against the church

>>138962259
Do SSPX even control any churches and cathedrals? why don't they rejoin Constantinople?

>>138962226
Religion is so complicated I just try and keep it basic. I feel like it's the one thing in this world that should be simple but it sometimes isnt>>138962353

>>138961364
Nationalism is proto globalism in a way, it homogenizes local regions into one

>>138962353
I'm not part of it but if I felt inclined to get into Christianity I would join them. I believe they are supported by various factions in the Church but not officially. Only people really into Catholic politics know about them so they aren't that big, I found out about them on accident.

>>138962408
It's relative of course, in some ways it's simple, in other ways one can make/find it complex.
Your post makes me remember the proverb:
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Perhaps it's not the dish that we should follow solely, but also make dishes of our own with the ingredients given, like the bible and such.

But communicating and sharing with others is also important, and I don't know all answers either, but I do believe that the journey towards the answer is of similair importance as the answer in itself.

Orthodoxy was smarter in general since we made our religious hierarchy more decentralized meaning that almost every Orthodox country has its own national church. Of course all the churches are united but each church is also responsible for the defense of the interests and safety of its flock. That happens because the spiritual leadership comes from the people of the country. If anyone of you is interested on becoming an Orthodox, you are more than welcome to join us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q8i0CYs-CM

>>138959554
Yes. You just ignore what the heretic says and live according to the old Catholic ways. Before (((subversion))). The Catholic ways of hating the non-believers and heretics. The Catholic ways of traditionalism and willingness to (literally) fight evil which is anything/anyone that goes against traditional/old Catholic doctrine.

>>138963334
Calling the standing Pope a heretic, as a Catholic, is literal heresy. We believe that it is impossible for the Vicar of Christ to incorrectly speak ex cathedra. Don't conflate Francis's comments or even personal theological opinions as Church Doctrine.

>>138960513
is that his lair where is that place

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>>138963334

>The Catholic ways of hating the non-believers and heretics

Whatever happened to love thy neighbour?
Seems to me the pope has the right idea.

Jesus was radical but nonviolent, often waxed poetic about loving those different from ourselves (good Samaritan parable etc...)

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>>138959554
>catholic

>>138960104
This.
The church is all of us, not just the Pope. Stay united.

>>138960322
>ex cathedra
>he can be wrong, except when he isn't
>the pope is totally inspired by god, but sometimes he isn't
How terribly of christians. Whenever he says something you don't like, all you have to do is pretend he was speaking in his own name.

>>138959554

No. If you ignore your Pope, what are you are Catholic for? Join another denomination.

>>138965085

Catholic Church has had way more degenerate popes than this little spic.

The Church is still bigger than the pope.

>>138964899
Nigger when he speaks ex cathedra he explicitly defines it as such. There is nevera shred of ambiguity about it. There have been a total of two instances within the past century of this happening. Honestly a nine year old can grasp this better than half of you people.

>>138959554
>Catholic fag here... is it possible to be an active member of the church while ignoring the degeneracy of our current pope?
No
This pope IS there because God wants it. He was elected by his peers because of who he is. Unless you follow his word, you are simply not Catholic.

>>138959554
that's called a "protestant"

>cucktolic
http://www.neonnettle.com/news/2573-catholic-archbishop-i-d-rather-go-to-prison-than-report-child-abuse-to-police-

>>138959554
You're one hell of a missionary. Just by seeing your thumbnail I already thought "Jesus!"

>>138964058
Well you're twisting the words of the Bible to suit yourself.

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If you are a Catholic reading this thread, maybe it is time to investigate Orthodoxy? I used to be a Traditionalist Catholic. I didn't look too deeply into Eastern Orthodoxy because I was so immersed in Catholic apologetics when I experienced my religious reawakening that I was willing to except the glib Catholic talking point that Orthodoxy can't be 'truly universal' because it is organised as a series of national churches.

But what you find in Catholicism is that you have to keep creating increasingly complex mental gymnastics to reconcile your beliefs with all the heresy and corruption you see in the Vatican and by the Catholic bishops.

Once you accept Orthodoxy, it becomes obvious that you don't need some crazy sedevacantist conspiracy theory to explain everything that is happening: the Catholic Church is just an imposter and it sold out a very long time ago to the world.

>>138961874

Ten Commandments, my dude. Keep holy the Sabbath. In Christian tradition, that's Sunday, and includes mass.

>>138959554

Wow! fat and ugly. Should keep a paper bag over head while being in public places.

PotatoNigger here, I just wish Catholics were radical. Abortion factory? Burn it. Gay marriage? Burn it. Less bend over and take it more Jesus in the temple

>>138966783
or the church is twisting them. go read the bible and see for yourself you cuck.

>>138961834

I think the first part of Matthew 6 is less a prescription to pray privately and more an admonition to not make a public display of piety. Praying in public places is acceptable so long as you are not doing it because you want to be seen praying by others.

>>138969306

In other words, Jesus doesn't want you to virtue signal.

>>138969288
I read the New Jerusalem Bible not some quack bible.

Orthodox church

>>138959821
Benedict is the true Pope. He was forced out and replaced by a satanic kike.

>>138959554
>>138969441

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>>138968831

The problem is that Catholicism emphasises authority at the expense of orthodoxy, which makes Catholics too obedient and passive. So you are expected to just sit there and take it when you have bishops holding conferences with LGBT activists and academics who support abortion. Catholics need to get up off their asses and cause some mayhem. You cannot tolerate homosexual orgies taking place in the Vatican. Burn it down.

Although I am Orthodox now, I agree with about 99 percent of Catholic moral teachings and I am very grateful for Pope Paul IV publishing "Humanae Vitae" condemning artificial contraception. This was an important watershed in the culture war.

The current pope made me leave the church. He's such a weak cuckold and I pray daily he will not be made a martyr by the tide of shitskins he has encouraged to defile his country

>>138966936
>Catholic talking point that Orthodoxy can't be 'truly universal' because it is organised as a series of national churches.
i always hate when they bring that up because it doesn't make any sense, the catholic church also has so called "national churches", see "eastern catholic"

if their argument is the fact that orthodoxy has no strong central authority( a pope) then they need to look into christianity before the schism and see that that's how the church has always been organized

the power of the pope is something that grew gradually after the fall of the western empire

>>138973551

And instead of keeping everybody in line the Papacy has been a vehicle for chaos, e.g., Pope John XXIII initiating the Vatican II Council.

>>138959554
>black cock only
Clearly this is a health warning

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>>138959554
Nope. Your own canon law means that the act of disagreeing with the pope over doctrine makes you a heretic. Also, since Vatican II, all matters relating to social justice are ipso facto held to be matters of doctrine.

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>>138959554
Yes, it's called being a real Catholic.

http://www.fsspx.org/

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>>138959554
Time to become Mormon OP.
'What you are, I was. What I am, you will be.'

>>138959760

>church militant tv
>sedevacantist

Voris hates sedes.
All traditionalists hate sedes.

They deny the doctrine of the unbroken line of Popes that was outlined at the first Vatican council.

They aren't Catholic. They are a group of people who reject Christs living Church and hold on to dead things. Just like proddies