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Why some extremely orthodox Jews hate Israel? What's up

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Why some extremely orthodox Jews hate Israel?
What's up with that, what's the trick here?
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Bumping for answer
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>>138896102

It's not a trick.

They are extremely Jewy but they aren't Synagogue of Satan. They think that only God can allow the Jews to return to Israel and that until that happens they are banished from Israel because of their past transgressions.

Very Orthodox, conservative and refusing to assimilate. But they aren't zionists.
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Because they think Israel shouldn't have been established before the Messiah came.
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>>138897577

/pol/ is an interesting place for leaks and political discussion, but they will never understand how much jewish infighting there really is because they aren't able to see them that way.
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>trying to use empathy to understand kayak thought pattern
>fail because jews are inherently sociopathic and constantly engaging in subversive actions
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So what will happen in the West bank In years to come /pol/?
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>>138896102

The trick is that they are jewing other jews. Basically jews hating jews.
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>>138897577
So, before 6 BC.
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>>138898110
Follow along in your playbook. We're in Ezekiel 37 now, and the battle of Ezekiel 38 is shaping up!
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>>138896102
They don't want someone else giving them their own country, they want to just take over other peoples
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>>138896102

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
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>>138898292

No these Jews are still Jews so they think the messiah hasn't arrived yet.
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>>138896102
Because there are two rough ideas in jewish religion

The first is that they need to stick to what´s actually written, which quite literally says "No, Jews are not allowed a nation, God says so and will punish them for trying. Only the messiah may establish one"

The other says "We have to do everything in our power to fuck up the world so the messiah shows up and gives us our goyim slaves and our own nation. Which includes founding our own nation and funding everything degenerate under the sun"

There is a bit more subtlity to it, but that's the gist of it
The two sides also hate eachother for obvious reasons
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>>138896102

They take the Torah as literal fact at face value, and the passages which state no Jewish army, nor state are allowed to exist is meaningful to them.

True Torah Jews. Great outlet for factual information about Jews and Zionism.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TorahJews
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>>138896102
when has Jew logic ever made sense?
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>One end of the Jew spectrum believes the magic sky wizard will bequeath them the entire rock
>while the other end uses Talmudic dogma to attain world supremacy through the love of money

either way homegoys; you lose
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>>138898001
Saved.
And im sorry my ancestors failed on the gypsies too Bogdan
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>>138898468
If you sit at a bus stop while your bus comes, stops, and moves on, did the bus come?
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>>138899139

Dude I'm not arguing for them I'm just telling you what they believe.
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>>138899446
I know. I just love the analogy.
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A New City, a New Temple Next then? So expansion of the Jewish state?
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>>138899678
Yup. Greater Israel Project.
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>>138897415
they're the smarter Jews who haven't fallen for the antichrists trick. The only problem with these ones is their abuse of welfare.
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>>138899866
You sound schizo.
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>>138899866

>abuse of welfare

They are still Jews after all.
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>>138898241
Henry Ford was just controlled opposition though. He was a 33rd degree freemason. Broke my heart when I looked into it tbqh
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>>138896102
Ask lubavitch
>>138897577
The only jew i've read that's right.
What's was'nt clear of the word PROMISED, israel?
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>>138897415
No. They simply expect their false messiah from a different way than Zionist do. They are still the Synagogue of Satan.
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>>138897577
This guy knows what's up, they are also heavily anti-zionist.
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>>138896102
>What's up with that, what's the trick here?
They want to remain in the shadows, hiding and conniving and profiting on the backs of the goyim. Israel brings their devious behavior right out into the open.
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Zionists are the Synagogue of Satan, they were intrinsic to the "holohoax" and were the ones who ran the concentration camps. Their purpose was to exterminate as many Orthodox Jews and Christians as possible under the guise of the SS. Hardcore Orthodox Jews know this and do what they can to oppose them today.
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>>138900153
They got their promised land, fucked up, and lost it.
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>>138900416
Yeah, the victims are the perpetrators, the perps are the victims, black is white, and up is down.
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>>138896102
>what's the trick here?
does it even matter, just kill them and you make sure no more tricks are planned
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>>138897795
>but they will never understand how much jewish infighting there really is because they aren't able to see them that way.
That's just the general human condition, burger. We just disagree on how to deal with it.
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>>138896102
we might spare their infants when the time comes, but they are still jews
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>>138899678
Genuinely asking: On what basis do non messianic Jews reject Jesus, Do they say he was a Hoax, just another preacher or what?
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>>138896102
Kikes, by necessity, strive to lead both sides of every social conflict to make sure their interests are protected.
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>>138900717
You're lucky to be in a country that God is not going to completely fuck up soon.
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>>138900746
Mostly on the basis that none of the Kingdom Age prophecies came true 2000 years ago.

Notwithstanding that they murdered the messiah and rejected the kingdom.

Nor do they understand that Jesus, the Messiah, is still alive, and still doing the things of the Messiah, including bringing in the Kingdom Age with all of its attendant prophecies.
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>>138900256

That's just theologically wrong.

The Synagogue of Satan are the elitist Rothschild-type groups who pretend to be Jews and worship Lucifer.

These Jews have the wrong beliefs and are wrong about a lot of things, but that doesn't make them the Synagogue of Satan since they genuinely worship God in accordance with the Old Testament.
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>>138900961
Good joke, but god does not need to fuck us, jordan was never an independent country, its just a buffer zone for israel, we are cucked more than sweden and germany combined, full of palestinian shits, and our government is corrupted so much that the anti corruption organizations are corrupted, our kings suck jew cock
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>>138901149
It's everyone following the gospel of satan, who has satan for their spiritual father.

So, everyone that is lost, and everyone that is not a born again Christian.
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>>138901204
Yeah, but you got Petra, and Petra is important to God.
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>>138901441
who gives a shit about petra bro

its just a bunch of carved stones and a salty lake, thats all we have

our cuisine is lamb boiled in fucking milk
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>>138896102
Because despite what /pol wants you to believe it is not Jews that are behind the globalist agenda but the descendants of the Saturnite Death Cult, which incorporates European nobility, buisnessmen, bankers and yes of course many are "Jews" but only as a cover. Jews are not the problem, fractional reserve banking and the evil globalists behind it jews or not. Satanists are part of this globalism but they are not in charge of it, the Saturnite Death Cult indoctrinated the European nobility in the middle ages and used christianity as a framework that these people would understand and inducted them into some of the rituals they practice but never told them the real reason they do them - which is to do with their worship of Saturn.

Those orthodox Jews are following the commandments from god they believe actually happened, which say that the Jewish people must be exiles from their Homeland until the messiah of judaism appears.
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>>138897577
This.

Basically, jews were fighting each other and shit, and God was like "yo moshes and davids, you just keep fighting n that ain't cool yo, so I'mma kill you all cuz I shud of never created u in da first place!"

Then joos be like "yo dawg plz be cool, we wuz ur chicken n shit, don't dat braseph", and den God be like "k bitches, I'mma destroy yo Temple and exile u from Israel, and u gonna be livin among white men and learn peace from them, and u ain't gonna form communities n isolate urself n shit, nor rebel against dem, u gotta actually try to integrate urself n adopt their culture, and u'll only come back in here once u got learnt to leave in peace between ur selves, n them day messiah will drop by and take u homies to Israel, n u not gonna come back on ur own or I'll slap ur bitches ass so fucking hard u gonna cry for a century".

And then jews returned to Israel, the Holocaust happened, and many orthodox jews perceive it as divine punition. Just like many other events were jews got hit HARD are perceived as as many other divine punitions. No one hates a jew more than another jew.
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Cheer up Jordanbro. Queen Rania seems nice....
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They're not zionists.
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>>138896102
because israel makes them look bad. while some christians blindly defend israel some jews see israel as a bully who hides behind americas millitiary and attacks every one around them knowing most wont fight back
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>>138901883
In the old testament god is called "the master of armies".
And he's not a god of peace.
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So... who should we hate? Orthodox Jews living abroad? Zionists (Jewish nationalists that supports the re-establishment of Israel)? Faithless kikes living abroad? All of them? Or is there more Jews to hate and I am not aware of them?
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>>138900717
You exist because we allow it. You will submit when we demand it.
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>>138901632
It's an underground bunker for the Jews to flee to.
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>>138902232
If I remember correctly, they were actually kicked out of Israel by Nabuchodonosaur 3, at least that's the real story that started the myth, and that jews transliterated as "God". So yeah, he had armies alright.
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>>138902491
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>>138902489
Orthos abroad are harmless. (does not apply here)
Zionism won in May 1948 and is therefore obsolete.
Faithless self-loathing globalist kikes are your target.
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>>138902232
The Lord of Hosts, the Commander of the Heavenly Hosts, Jesus has a bunch of titles. But one of them indeed is Prince of Peace.
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>>138902489
No man. As far as it is up to you, to the extent that you can, be at peace with all men.
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>>138902668
thanks, accept this Lucky Jew as a reward
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>>138902664
And look how well it turned out for Poland. Against Jews, you lose.
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>>138902668
Zionism actually won in 1967, one Jubilee ago.
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>>138896102
Kikes play both sides. always
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>>138901204
ISIS is gonna butcher and rape you all. Then we'll nuke them and take over your country.
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'Controlled opposition'

They're nothing - no influence.
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>>138902835
Israel was established in 1948.
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>>138902963
Sad when Jews don't know who their friends are, out of sheer paranoia.
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>>138903107
And Jerusalem was taken in 1967.
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>>138902626
I SUSPECT that they changed the world "most Disgusting people to god" with Elected people
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>>138896102
Idk, but I do know if you stand around them long enough, you're likely to lose.
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>>138902810
We are 99.7% white (asians are the largest minority), we do not accept muslims, our society hates shitskins, muslims, jews, gypsies and more. Lately your PM told us to do everything in our power to oppose immigration. You do not plant to create another Judeopolonia, do you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeopolonia
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>>138903134
No one in the arab world is our "friend".

There will only be peace with arabs when they give israel jordan, syria, lebanon, egypt and iraq and go back to their homeland which is saudi arabis.

They have been colonising places for too long.
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>>138898349
Finally! Someone besides me points this out!
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>>138903159
>Until 1948, the primary goals of Zionism were the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles, and liberation of Jews from the antisemitic discrimination and persecution that they experienced during their diaspora. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism continues primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and to address threats to its continued existence and security.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The liberation of Jerusalem is not relevant. Also I take it you haven't been there recently, there are hordes of goatfuckers.
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>>138903326
For a country that has been invaded throughout the majority of its history, you sure got a lot of guts.
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>>138896102
they feel scammed because they don't want israhell only they want the whole world
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>>138903394
you guys jumped the gun and started making the Holy land before God said it was okay. Thats why Jesus said you guys were the synagogue of satan.
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>>138903335
You don't exist.
Your "state" culture was created by another Jew, a psychologist that had the role of "create the jew personality in israel".
It's strange, is'nt it?
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>>138903335
Make friends with Jordan, Jew. You need them.
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>>138903372
Can you imagine going through life without reading the manual? Watching the play without a program? What are these people thinking?
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>>138903394
I understand your point.

Jerusalem is important.

The rest of Israel, not so much.
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>>138896102
Simple anon. Not all Jews are bad people. Not all Israelis are bad people. But 100% of Israels are bad countries.
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>>138896102
a lot of orthodox jews living in israel hate israel because israel doesn't wanna fund their retarded parasitic lifestyles. they think because they follow the jew scriptures closer, they're closer to god, and therefore deserving of much more state welfare for it. secular jews, who the government is composed of, are tired of their shit and don't wanna give them any money.
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>>138903496
We had the largest Jewish minority in the world for over 600 years. Never, ever, again. We still do have a lot of globalist kikes with changed surnames and they are a pure evil.
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>>138903675
Considering 1/3 of our people was slaughtered, we kinda didn't ask God.

>>138903811
>Jerusalem is important.
For whom? A bunch of religious fanatics?

Though I still think that fucking golden zit should've been converted to a synagogue on 11th of June, 1967.

>The rest of Israel, not so much.
Tel Aviv is much more important than Jerusalem nowadays, shekels considering.
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>>138899995
At the heart of the charges is the allegation that they all, in one way or another, failed to report or otherwise concealed significant income that would have made them ineligible for the assistance programs in which they enrolled. In total, state and federal prosecutors have said the families collected more than $2.4 million in benefits.

The Ocean County Prosecutor's Office identified those charged Wednesday as Eliezer, 33, and Elkie, 31, Sorotzkin; Samuel, 45, and Esther, 44, Serhofer; Yisroel, 37, and Rachel, 34, Merkin; Jerome Menchel, 33, and Mottel Friedman, 30; Tzvi, 35, and Estee, 34, Braun; and Moshe, 30, and Nechama, 27, Hirschmann.
all orthodox jews
all millionaires
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>>138896102
That's an American flag they are burning, anon.
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>>138903993
>Considering 1/3 of our people was slaughtered, we kinda didn't ask God.

Like usual.
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>>138896102
Theyre so orthodox they get redpilled. Remember, a small minority of jews arent zionists
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>>138903984
You can gas him.

Poland:
GDP per capita
Increase$29,300 (PPP, 2017 est.)

Israel:
GDP per capita
$39,125 (nominal; 2017)
$36,378 (PPP; 2017)[1]

And that's considering we have 1/5 of your people. Tell me getting rid of your Jews was a good thing.
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>>138897415
>They are extremely Jewy but they aren't Synagogue of Satan
hol up son
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>>138903993
For the Temple, to God, and for the future. The throne of David is there. The ark of the covenant will be there.
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>>138899995
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/28/new-jersey-arrests-welfare-fraud-investigation/435144001/
just type
>new york millionaire welfare fraud
dont even have to type jewish.
because they all are
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>>138904261
It's very funny to see a jew jewing.
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>>138903719
They need us way more than we need them. We supply them with water and without us they'd be conquered by jihadists long ago.

They are a bunch of stupid ungrateful sandniggers. A traitor lefty made "peace" with their king, while their population wants us dead
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>>138903993
>our people
fuck of shem

your corrupted books have no mention of japheth and our generations, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??????
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>>138904470
Things change.
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>>138904427
>the Temple
You mean those that got destroyed? Nah.

>David
Oh who cares m8, we won this turf in war of survival.

>>138904465
I like this merchant.

>>138904470
Oslo was a mistake.

>>138904497
Because only Shem was important to the Bible.
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>>138903993
>muh 6 gorrillion!
thats not going to fly here bud.
sorry
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>>138904497
they jelly
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>>138904618
No, the one that will be rebuilt soon.

Are you sure you're in Israel?
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>>138904261
>implying that only shekels matter
>implying that you do not milk USA like crazy
>implying Germany doesn't pay you billions of euro-shekels

http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/us-israel-military-aid/
>The U.S. Just Agreed to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid

fucking $38 billion
luckily we are outjewing you thanks to the holohaux industry, you leave a lot of shekels in Poland
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>>138904639
Remember the 6 trillion.

>>138904723
>No, the one that will be rebuilt soon.
Not gonna happen. Orthos declared a divine presence on the Temple mount a long long time ago.

(Though it'd be funny as hell just to see goatfucker butthurt)

>>138904784
>$38 billion
Chump change. Stop whining, we do not need this. We need a puppet state in the UN to veto their resolutions.
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>>138904618
Have you noticed that jews never talk about jews with goyms?
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>>138904618
yeah, in satan's version you 666 low vibe cuck
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>>138904923
Why would we discuss our internals with a bunch of goyim who can't even be bothered to learn the language of their overlords?

>>138904978
Someone's asspained at getting circumsized :^)
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>>138904618
http://biblehub.com/daniel/9-26.htm
bye bitch

So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
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>>138905104
I can insult you in a lot of ways, also biblical.
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Why Israel is taking a soft approach to the rise of more extreme right-wing politics, but still funds lefty NGO abroad?

I love Israel, I think it's beautiful, and by seeing their lands on youtube, I feel a deep intoxicating religious invasion over my body. Why can't you be the good guys, so I can take your side?
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>>138904898
They crafted a $100,000,000 solid gold menorah.

I'd say they were pretty serious.

Look up The Temple Institute.
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>>138896102

I don't know but here's two rabbis playing pink floyd in israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D97gP-1zyqQ
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Orthodox Jews from my understanding believe they cannot return to Israel until a temple appears from the sky.

They are against Zionism and believe it is heretical. Remember... The banker "jews" aren't really jews they may have a common ancestral makeup but they use it as a tool.

The jews don't own shit... people pretending to be jews do.
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>>138905218
The troubles of Jacob are a bitch. Would make for an outstanding movie tho
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>>138905248
They actually sound pretty good
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>>138905104
Larping faggot
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>>138904618
there are 6M Jews in Israel

38*10^9/(6*10^3)=6,33*10^3

this is the difference between Israeli PPP and Polish PPP
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>>138905218
Daniel is referring to the 2nd Temple you fucking idiot.
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They are redpilled and don't want to be associated with Israel's evil
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>>138905342
pardon, 6*10^6
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>>138905384
The prophecy stopped at 69 weeks.

There's one more week (7 years) to go.
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>>138897795
There's plenty, and it's pretty obvious
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>>138905438
Haven't you learned the lesson from history that God will not let anyone kill all the Jews?
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>>138896102

Because they are anti-Zionism. They think Jewry has been turned into a vicious form of nationalism, giving no credence to the religion itself. They think many Jews have fallen away from the religious teachings and now look at Jewry as being only about nationality and tribe to many. Not the teachings. Not the religion.
So they are not too fond of Israel, or especially the Israeli flag which many claim is not Jewish.
Not that I trust them. Because I don't.
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>>138898528
Who is on each side? Major known players?
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>>138905506
Stop taking that book at face value.
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>>138905603
It's deeper than that. Infinitely deeper.
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>>138905575
>God will not let anyone kill all the Jews
you can always try
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>>138905603
You HAVE to give that book a face value, or your existence is a fake.
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>>138905652
It's full of shit. Stop pretending there's deeper meaning when it's a bunch of stories invented by heat-stricken mud people.
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>>138905673
Then you also have not learned the lesson of what happens to the people who try.
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>>138896102
They see Israel for what it is - a big Jewish trick that's being played on the Jews by the Jews.
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>>138905735
That prophecy, Daniel's 70 week prophecy, predicted the time span between Artaxerxes' proclamation that the temple could be rebuilt, and Palm Sunday, Nisan 10, 32 AD, to the day.

483 years, to the day.
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>>138896102
This is like being confused because antifa and alt right hate each other.

Not all white people think the same.
Not all jews hate white people.
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>>138905313

I know it's a really good performance lol
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Women don't exist
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>>138905438
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>>138905830
Hindsight is a hell of a drug.
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>>138905104
go suck a lilith fart, saturnian skunk boy
japheth will inherit the earth and you will be our fuel on mars for eternity

>>138905384
wrong
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>>138896102
They browsed /pol/ for too long
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>>138896102

they see it as a politization and corruption of their religious beliefs. not all, but some, of these same jewish groups also dont like the idea of a defacto jewish army existing or like the idea of them attacking palestinians just because of their non violence views.

I know everyone here makes jews into boogeymen, but they are more than just one type of them.
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>>138905967
Can't touch foresight.
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>>138906021
ahahahahah
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>>138898349
welp, guess the Rothschilds are god--as they literally bought Israel from the British.
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>>138900771
true, like the US civil war. The Southern Generals Lee and Pike were 33rd degree freemasons. Pike was a jew born in Boston and was a Southern General, wtf??? Every war is lead by Jews to murder Goy.
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>>138896102
It's called takiya
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>>138906172
Wise people align themselves with what God is doing.

Foolish people rebel against God and attempt to stop what God is doing.
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>>138906213
Pike is the only interesting character in that Confederacy; his foresight is amazing.
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>>138905594
Orthodox jews are the ones who don't want this shit

Soros and the globalists are on the side that fucks everything up, knowingly
They know it's fucking up society, and thats the entire point. Once everything is fucked the messiah will come to set everything right. So the logic is- Don't wait for it to get fucked naturally, just piss all over everything
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>>138906430
When life imitates art
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So, are these anti Zionists Hasidic jews, or sephardic, or askenazi or what? Or is it a mix? What type of jew is the ultra orthodox type?
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>>138906743
There is a lot of that
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>>138906370
Southern General Albert Pike was a fucking jew (born in boston) 33rd degree freemason that was a plant by the North that had goy murdered. So was Robert E Lee.
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>>138907112
The ones that won't serve in the military and live like the Amish.
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Heres a jew in London burning his passport:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIrmrdGIFtI
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>>138907228
Who made some astonishing future statements.
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>>138907236
Do they have a name? Like hasidic or something?
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>>138896102
They interpret the Torah differently. Zionist Jews believe that they have to rule many nations, move to Israel and lend to the goyim and all this stuff for the Messiah to come.
These anti-Zionist guys believe that all they have to do for the Messiah to come is for all the Jews to keep the Torah and the Messiah will come and bring them Israel and rule many nations and lend to the goyim and be the masters of the world.
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>>138896102
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=me4FqdrmVBs
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Freemasonry is Judaism for goy.

Pike and Lee were jew masons.

Pike, Lee masonic jew temple lodges #313 #413 #162 #237 #376 #33 #333 #1169 #303
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>>138903984
A Pole told me about this guy, turned out he went in blackface to a nationalist rally while recording to show how raycis they are, but nothing happend to him except members of his own group calling him a racist for dressing like a nog.
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>>138896102
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>>138896102
Because they know the truth that the country falsely called "Israel" isn't a Jewish utopia but a globalist, anti-Jewish military colony.
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Freemason cops murdered captain morgan, see free pdf
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>>138905750

The people who try get flooded with immigrants.
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>>138907406
I usually see them referred to as ultra orthodox.
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>>138897415
>banished from Israel
Why were they banished and what transgressions took place?
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>>138896102
Daily reminder that the Star of David it's actually from Solomon, a seal that he used to control demons and it's only on the flag because it was a demand to form Israel
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>>138905438
thats 600,000
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>>138907112
/ourkikes/
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>>138900036
Why are you so convinced that international Jewry and the Freemasons are not at cross-purposes? I never understood the connection myself, the only "logic" behind it is "hurr durr muh Kabbalah", not realizing mystical Judaism is extremely far removed from pseudo-secular globalist Zionism
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>>138896102
Don't care. Don't wanna know. They all must go.
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>>138906309
>Wise people align themselves with what God is doing.
Those with a child's understanding of 'God' talk about God that way. You talk about God the way stupid hippies talk about their astrology shit.
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>>138909753
>Daily reminder that the Star of David it's actually from Solomon
It's a hexagram, fairly simple geometric shape, the Jews no more invented it than Christians invented the cross.
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>>138903335
Ill be your friend if you join my discord
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