why do men today quickly resort to MGTOW instead of lifting weights

>>138766713
Why is the yogurt fluorescent fucking purple?

>>138766713
Women are gross.

>>138766713
why do roasties roast themselves and then complain when men don't want their roast

>>138766777
it turns cis frogs into gay frogs

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>>138766713
It's easier to sit on your ass and bitch.

>>138766713
Women aren't worth it anymore.

>>138766777
have you never had purple yogurt?
also, checked

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>>138766713
>why do men today quickly resort to MGTOW instead of lifting weights and acknowledging their confidence problem so they can improve themselves and flirt with women and live a healthy life?
Why risk half your assets just to marry a used up whore?

>>138766928
>not taking care of yourself
>not worth it

>>138766713
why do women rail against impossible beauty standards? It's all just a distraction, and a justification. It simplifies the world into something they can understand.

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>>138766713
tbqf i'm not the greatest looking but i've always held a steady girl around since I was 16. Not even in shape. Confidence is key, however. MGTOW is for betas. Reproduce for your race.

>>138767024
>being healthy requires that I marry a used up whore
women aren't the only reason to keep yourself fit anon

>>138766806
>faggot

I already lift though, and I'm confident to the point of arrogance.

Most women simply don't have enough to offer.

>>138766713
>flirt with women and live a healthy life
Why would I want to do any of that that?

>>138766713
>A rock in the middle of nowhere is irrelevant
>I'll lift weights so I can flip over the rock
>Oh no there was nothing worth my time under the rock

>>138766713
MGTOW is just a reaction to the shifting economics of male-female life partnership

Bitches be trippin over "pussy power", wanting having their cake and eating it too. The State support of women in divorce, modern feminist movement, and anti-sexism have created a deal that is highly disadvantageous to men.

A male solution to this problem is to pull out of the contract completely. ie. MGTOW. If women can't find enough quality men, they will be forced to renegotiate their worth to men.

MGTOW is no different than SLUT WALK

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>>138766713
Women are the vaginal Jew.

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>>138766713
women not worth it

>>138766713
Because we're lazy

>>138766928

>implying women are the only reason to get in shape

How are you going to carry yourself during the next American race war?

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Because it's a ton of work for very little reward. Sure, I could lift, make tons of money, and lure some 7/10 into my clutches. But the second she gets bored, she can just up and leave and take everything. She'll probably have had 18 other dicks in her before mine. She'll probably try to raise my kids to be Leftist mules.

It's all so troublesome for nothing in return. I'll just stay inside, play vidya, and fap til the race war.

>>138766713
no hymen no diamond

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>>138767333
Checked

>>138766713
MGTOW is about self improvement.

It´s being the person you love and not the person some random roastie likes.

I´m improving myself more than ever, i just don´t give a fuck about what roasties think of me.

Suprise, they even like me more since i like myself.

>>138766713
>lifting to gain confidence so you can flirt with women
sounds kinda gay desu senpai

>>138766713
>why do men today quickly resort to MGTOW instead of lifting weights and acknowledging their confidence problem so they can improve themselves and flirt with women and live a healthy life?

Because during the course of history, actually becoming your best so that you yourself will get the best (woman), it always had the prospect of offspring. A reward that will further your legacy, keep your race and nation healthy and to create a family that will continue your name.

Today, this no longer leads towards a legacy but towards short term gratification in terms of meaningless sex, something you basically could get by applying your own hand. The only reason there are still men out there playing this game, where women can basically chose as they please, because they still have this drive in them to be better than others. Thanks to social stigmata, men fucking lots of women is seen as an achievement when in reality it might be one of the most useless things you could do with your time of the prospect of children is not there.

MGTOW are still retards though. The ideal would be to strive to become the best you can be while at the same time take the torch of short term gratification out of the womens hands and reject their whorish behaviors. When Chad rejects easy pussy he would get for superficial reasons then women will be forced to adapt in order to get their gratification. This adaption will then improve society as a whole where men again dictate social norms.

>>138766713
You're retarded if you think MGTOW is about virgin betas who cant get pussy.

It's the opposite in fact, it's about men who have been redpilled and exposed to the decadent, hedonistic and degenerate culture modern women subscribe to, so instead of giving in for the sake of getting pussy they make their own rules and play their own game.
Yes, there ARE decent, traditional, non degenerate women, but they are the exception and not the norm, but as a whole the current modern age woman has too much bullshit to make them worth pursuing

>>138766713
Because women are the problem.

>>138766713

>be me
>sexually molested by a woman when I was 6 yo multiple times
>nobody gave a shit
>10 years old
>mother abandons family
>raised by based dad
>16 years old
>first girlfriend
>dated for a month
>was just using me to make some other dude jealous
>18 years old
>second girlfriend
>went out with me precisely until a better option came along
>be 22
>dating a recently divorced woman with 3 children
>turns out she was also dating a bunch of other dudes
>picks the dude who is willing to immediately start paying her rent, then immediately gets pregnant with 4th kid, claims "birth control doesn't work 100% of the time"

Gee I dunno why I just can't seem to trust anything with a vagina these days...

I'd be gay if I didn't find other dudes penises so disgusting.

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>>138766848
I DON'T WANT THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FREAKING FROGS GAY!

>>138767551
This. It sounds like something a clueless woman or faggot would write. Getting laid in current year is frighteningly easy because women are so loose. You don't even have to be in shape what so ever. All that you need to do is go to the bar and by one of the neighborhood bicycles a drink.

>>138766713

I put in my 15 years of hard marital labor. Had two kids and had to raise them alone when she got hooked on pain pills and ran off.

My kids are grown and on their own now. I'm on vacation. And it's fucking awesome.

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>>138767129
>>138766713

So lets look at the elite echelon of MGTOW, the so called philosophers all on youtube are high IQ, high income earner, some married multiple times, some in open relationships.

All of them are not abstinent which is trad-cuck #1 bullshit, and all of them preach self preservation against the rent seeking communist, collectivist corruption of women. But still the trad-cuck white knight angers easily

>you should live your life selfishly in a way that aligns to virtue, a woman is an immoral, unethical, materialistic subhuman and sexual deviant with neither the power of restraint of foresight
>a woman leeches the man, and the man becomes subservient to the woman, along with his resources in order to reproduce
>A man encompasses in his totality his disposability towards women and society as a beta male provider

Trad-cucks say:

>Its wrong to want to live a full fulling life as a man, shunning anything that would degrade it, including the obvious virtueless matriarchal/gynocentric society of present.

White knights, trad-cucks, socialist nationalism communist trash:

KILL YOUR FUCKING SELVES

>>138767716
great blog desu

>>138766713
why fuck i need to work for some wet holes?

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>>138767758

The peace sign is the upside down pagan rune of life, essentially a death cult symbol of the NWO. Also the estrogen mimickers are turning male frogs into females, so you know hippy, do us all a favor and

>KYS

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>>138767333
correct

>>138767716
i can somehow relate to this.

also been abused and shit on by women my whole life.

The problem is you are usually attracted to those who mistreated you because it´s what you know. Maybe look for partners with your brain, not with your dick or heart, as dumb as it sounds.

>>138767263

underrated

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>>138766713
>flirt with women
>live a healthy life

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>>138766713
Undatable women do the same thing.
They're just male spinsters really.

>>138766713
Lifting weights and developing your confidence doesn't improve your odds in divorce court.

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>>138766713
>facial structure fucked? just lift, brah
>confidence shattered during formative years or born with autism? just be Chad, brah
If your results with women naturally skew toward incel you should take it as a sure sign that you will always be genetic trash, effort or no effort.

>>138767652
What kind of fucking standards are you trying to apply?
All people worth a shit are the exception and not the norm.
MGTOW is for guys who are too fucking lazy to go find them or lack any redeeming qualities to attract the quality ones to them.

What, you don't think the quality of males hasn't deteriorated too?
Like attracts like you fucking genetic dead ends.

>>138769311
>>138769455
also check 'em faggots

Men don't like taking bad deals. When men start to understand women and the system they see a bad deal.

Why become a slave to a woman when all they offer is casual sex? May as well have casual sex with whatever chick takes your fancy than stick with the same, slowly decaying bitchy woman.

It's simple economics.

>>138769311
That´s not true, i am high status in a lot of my circles and reject women very often.

I am mgtow, because i won´t accept a relationship which is not based on equality.

If a women want´s me to approach her, invite her to dinner and so on, i´m out.

Also most women are extremely boring to me because i am high IQ and too autistic to see fun in socialising at all.

It might help some of them to deal with their core problem, putting women on a pedestal. Weight lifting doesn't help with this, if you don't change your outlook on women in the same time.

>>138768943
kek this. jews anti-shill mgtow because they don't want to lose revenue from their divide and conquer culture

>>138766713
because women aren't worth the effort
it's like shitty pizza, you only eat it if it's free

>>138766931
Is purple yogurt normal up there?

>>138769830
> too autistic

Maybe you just don't notice when women are flirting with you? They often approach men in a more subtle way.

>>138766713
I rencetly read won clausewitz´s"on war" and was surprised to find this remark, almost mentioned casually

>war is benefitial for the nation
>it instils national pride in men, keeps them from being effeminate and degenerate (word he actually used)
>if there is no war, at least rigorous military training should be employed

its easy to see how on point this is if you look at that poll asking whether people would fight for their country. Mandatory conscription countries have manyfold higher percentage over countries with purely professional armies

The fact that MGTOW is their first alternative points to the fact it's about the state of modern women, not their ability to get women (which I'm sure is generally lacking, but still).

>>138769646
Yep. People seem to think that MGTOWs are stuck as permavirgins, when sex is easier than ever to get. If worse comes to worse and you just need to have your dick in a wet hole for a bit you can pay some guy's future (or possibly current) wife for her escort services.

>>138769830
gay men probably wouldn't fuck you either, so why even bother taking on a title?
you'll never know for sure unless you're approached by women who don't need you at all, but want you instead.

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>>138766713
Yes goyim, work hard in pour your money and your best years in women, because they are totally not entitled cunts and they deserve it.

>>138770445
I guess I miss a lot of stuff, yes, but i still don´t really find women interesting. Most of the time the only thing i like about them is their bodies, and i´m too honest to pretent otherwise.

Autism is really an obstacle when i´m out, women dance at me, get touchy and i just hate getting touched by strangers, but i´m not looking for casual stuff anyways.
>>138771001
I also get hit on often by gay guys, but as long as i´m not in love with one i won´t bother to do anything sexual, and in the end of the day, when i settle, i will settle with a women anyways, so why should i waste time.

>>138766713
I lift and acknowledge my problems but still hate women
Problem is simple, anon: women base their reading of your personality off what you look like. Why do you think some women exclusively like niggers? They see "black man" and that becomes his personality as far as they're concerned.
If Justin Beiber and Christiano Ronaldo came out tomorrow and said "fuck Mexicans and Muslims also I love feet" every young woman in the USA would vote far right and get a pedicure

Stop that
Just come to HUELAND and fuck as many women as you can

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>>138769830
>real women are independent, have jobs and don't need you to pay for their shit
>real women are willing to be your submissive house pet and totally dependent on you
>MGTOW because neither will fuck me
Pick one and only one.

>>138767082
Never understood why people do this
If you had a steady gf from 16 you wouldn't be on 4chan unless you were 17 in which case enjoy your ban

>>138771980
>implying there are women who really want to have equality and not privileges of both roles.

>>138771431
I'm not rich or a self-proclaimed intellectual and I didn't settle.
Maybe it's the autism famalam.

>>138767758
>water
It's yogurt, you mong. Cant you fucking see that?

>>138767025
>>138767129
>>138767255
>>138771483
op confirmed just trying to set up strawman arguments

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>>138772101
I'm with one right now.

>>138766713

Because playing the victim is easier than taking responsibility.

>>138768943
Still would be your fault for being a shot judge of character.

>>138772290
congratulations you found a unicorn, have fun getting cheated on, divorce raped, and thrown into prison for false rape allegations.

>>138771693
>this
Thats what I plan on doing for a while

>>138772403
Puerto Rico would know.

>>138766777
Anon, this is forest fruit flavor.

>>138766713
why do women expect to be allowed to whore around and get married when they are late 20s - 30?

who the fuck thinks any guy should get married when the life expectancy of a marriage is so short?

who wants to pay child support?

>>138772423
We don't need to cheat, if the relationship goes bad we part ways. Nor are common-law spouses expected to pay alimony here, and we feel no need for a legal marriage.

>>138766713
Women aren't worth it.

>>138766713
Because buff rich guys get fucked harder than normal guys?

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>>138766713
Because feminism has become institutional and has infiltrated popular culture. You can't dodge that without moving to the woods, becoming completedly self sufficient and throwing away tv and the internet.

Women have held onto all the privileges they had while they didn't have equal rights and yet they now have not only equal rights but more than equal rights. The whole symbiosis has been disrupted.

Relations between men and women have been pretty simple up till recently: The man pays for the woman's existence, the woman provides access to sex, access to reproduction and child rearing. Today the relation is: The man can't pay for women anymore because they have polluted the work environment so thoroughly with their presence and by voting for third worlders to pour into the country, and yet is still expected to pay while the woman doesn't have to provide access to sex or reproduction and child rearing, often behaving like sluts, putting off having kids and often viewing it as a burdon.

They want all the positive aspects of being male combined with all the positive aspects of being female and want to dump all the negative aspects of being male and female onto men while using sex as a way of toying with men.

Lifting weights is irrelevant. It's not about fucking women, it's about the general symbiosis between the sexes. It's been completely and totally thrown off balance.

>>138766713
>flirt with women
who the fuck does that? I know only couple of people who "pick up chicks", and they are all miserable, sad, empty shells of people, who deep down know that love comes from random occurencies, not by tryharding and forcing yourself on random females.

guys i know who are happy and in relationships were never players, they were average guys, some of them were losers, but they met a girl at some random party or at a boring lecture at uni, they clicked, and thats it.

>>138773852
This.
Fucking autists lack the social skills to initiate the random encounters that lead to meaningful adult relationships.

>>138772277
Why would you waste a solid get on such a garbage post

>>138767652
Said the beta virgin

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>>138766713

>> acknowledging the inordinately rediculous time it takes in the gym to get minimal gains
>> not to mention the money and time wasted, on gym membership, supplements, protein powder, lean meat and healthy vegetables
>> odds are most women wont give a fuck anyway unless your tall and have perfectly symmetrical asthetics
>> assuming they wont be cheating behind your back with the first better looking guy that comes along

OP is a massive faggot

>>138772046

>muh only losers post on 4chan fallacy

With the amount of traffic this website (and board) gets daily, that is impossible. This site, allowing for anonymous and thus bluntly honest discourse, satisfies an intellectual niche that scratches an itch for many people, especially those who hold opinions discouraged by mainstream society.

4chan, as a means of communication, is like a digitized amalgamation of public and private group discussion forms: it's like a giant restroom with vulgar scrawlings covering the walls, only some of the stalls are hosting scenes of legitimate discourse. Open one and you see blue collar workers arguing on their lunch breaks. Open another onto a smoky table of gentlemen having a rational debate over drinks. Or, open others and you find a man shitting straight onto the floor.

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Lifting is great but once you've made it physically and look great, you realize that women who now look at you are just shallow cunts.

Life is not easy.

Because confidence is a meme, if you are an ugly manlet no amount of lifting will fix it. It's all about freaking luck and genetics.

>>138769525
The opinions of a leaf matters not. A female leaf opinion is even more worthless.

>>138774499
Nice get
Except, you brainless faggot, nobody gives a fuck about your real life personal successes and any oldfags recognize you as an attention starved, feminine loser. Nobody should believe your boasting unless they are a mainstream subreddit tier faggot
Here is your upvote now kindly fuck off and lurk a LOT moar

>>138766713
More PUA than MGTOW, personally. Nevertheless, I have little use for women beyond sex. And honestly, as a fit Gen X who has my shit together, the fishing is too easy.

I lift weights but it's impossible to get girls if you have no friends, except if you're a Chad who can get success online

>>138766713
why do these threads get so many replies?

this is not politics

>>138775227
Ok, get us /demographics/ then

>>138766713
because i don't care about them in the first place. nor do i care about or buy the racial or cultural rhetorc that is gospel here, this stuff about needing to "save the white race" or "the west" or whatever. i simply don't care.

>>138775138
I has benis,
I'm just ashamed to share a gender with you cucks.

>>138775227
>gender relations are not politics
Kys

Fuck. The only difference between MGTOWs and radical feminists is the feminists eventually stop menstruating.

>>138766713
do 4 500mg test e cycles and proper PCT and you wont have any issues

>>138772741
Just do not go to Hell de Janigger or some famous place. There are some really nice places not so known

Also, just by being an anglo you will fuck so many women. Of course, all for free. But remember that prostitution is legal here too

Now excuse me because I will fuck an amateur whore for 20 bucks now. No joking

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Today I will remind them

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>>138766713
Because the culture of personal sacrifice is pretty much dead. No one has the patience and humility to work hard for a better tomorrow. Throwing a fit is easier.

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>>138775191
you are a dick

>>138766713
I don't know anon why do you think
>real woman: a shitload of problems

>sex robot: low cost and on demand
>blowjobs

>>138766713
>become mgtow
>start lifting
>become swole
>realize i enjoy the single life

relationships arent for everyone. i find more enjoyment in my own activities/hobbies than spending even 60 seconds with a woman.

>meet a girl, smart, funny, cool
>date, fuck
>fast forward 6-12 months
>she starts to get bitchy/whiny/emotional/clingy
>realize her smarts are just the bare minimum, just for show
>realize she uses the same jokes since 6y/ago
>realize that she invests barley any time on hobbies, it's all for show
>realize the workout's she does are useless shitty dance moves that do nothing for the waistline
>you start do drift away and she dumps you for someone who would give her money when you wouldn't
>repeat

>hurr durr reproduce for the race

most marriages end in divorce for a reason
i like to keep myself fit and looking good, i like to spend on myself, for myself.

>>138766713
> "Women are more trouble than they're worth and objectively a shit thing to buy in to in the long-term"
> yeh but did you try lifting and being alpha? Then you can fuck them!

Fucking them isn't the problem. Any MGTOW sympathies I have are the antimarital ideas. Marrying is a shit deal for a dude at this point. "Until death do us part" is a fucking empty statement and only lasts until the woman has maximized the benefits she gets from divorce and feels emotionally neglected by the bloke working twelve hours a day to keep her in a nice house.