Can someone give me a history lesson on healthcare in the States?

>>138661092

because pharma has the most powerful lobbyists in the land.

>>138661092
Twist and tuck but suck all the air out first.

Nixon signed away price and profit controls. The rest of the history is dems and reps saying "oh, we're gonna fix this! weeeee're gonna fix this! Any time now!"

>>138661092
who the fuck uses a bread box. just tuck the bag in you niggas

>>138661209
What, with your mouth?

>Hey uhhh this medicine costs this much.

>Wait the government actually paid the full amount? HAHAHAH

>Actually it costs this much now

>Holy fuck how long can we keep this up

rinse and repeat

>using a picture more interesting than the topic of the thread
You deserve what's going to happen here.

Twist tie. Fuck all y'all.

>>138661299
>american bread doesnt come with an air pump

ha Ha HA

>>138661266
So what you're saying is that before all this hospitals and pharma had to price things accordingly?

>>138661092
Suck all of the bread out with my mouth and place the bread standing up cut side down under the lamp above the stove. Dunno why my bread goes moldy so quick.

>>138661092
monopoly, forced care, gubmint pays half of all healthcare costs

truly feel sorry for the honest hard working individual who has to buy his own health "insurance"

>>138661431
I don't know the exact details, but medical expenses skyrocketed after profit controls were abolished. Healthcare went from just another industry to one of the most profitable in the country.

>>138661166

probably about 30% of the problem, for real

>>138661769

profitable for shareholders of certain corporations that knew how to extract profit

physicians don't make that much necessarily, by comparison, but the physician-"owning" corporations do

>>138661092
never knew i was neutral evil

>>138661344
this

>>138661092
Americans are dumb and think they're getting the best

>>138661092
Why would anyone just not reuse the bag clip?

>>138662301
We absolutely get the best if you have enough money.

>>138662373
>We absolutely get the best
>if
exactly

Anybody else chaotic neutral?

>>138661092

I always knew I was Chaotic Evil

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>>138662301
You do get the best if you can pay. The USA has the best cancer outcomes.

>>138661092
it's all about insurance companies running amok. Most goods/services are bought and sold at whatever the market will pay for them. Insurance companies have been allowed to collude with hospitals and manufacturers to jack up prices to obscene levels. And to fix this problem (with Obamacare) this practice was forced upon all of us by the mandate, while not bitch-slapping the insurance and health care industries anywhere near as hard as it should've.

>>138661299
Depends if it's my own bread or a straw if I'm sharing but I only ever resort to that if it comes with a faulty pump.

The could cut it a fair bit just by putting caps on punitive damages. Their doctors and hospitals have to pay ludicrous amounts for malpractice insurance.

(Punitive damages, not just compensation. The doctor fucks up and you need $200k in further medical? Compensation. The doctor fucks up and you ask for $200k plus $3million to teach that bastard a lesson? Punitive damages).

>>138661092
>None of them leaves the first slice of bread with one-sided crust to take in all of the air
I demand a do-over on this here meme.

>>138662599
No I'm not meat brains

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>>138661092
I work for a company that is both the biggest healthcare insurance provider in my region and also just so happens to own all the hospitals in my half of the state.

You take a guess why the prices are so high. It's amazing how they even get away with this, and it's because of some loop hole of them having separate non-profit/for profit divisions control certain employees or some bullshit like that.

>>138661092
wheres the "wire" option? the bread bags come tied with a plastic wire and you use keep using the damn thing it came with

>>138663541
Everyone touches the first slice. Gross.

>>138662741

lots of price caps were introduced in obamacare and more people in the pools will reduce premiums. at least you want more regulation instead of ancap libertardianism.

>>138662553
Feels good man

>>138663623
You forgot to change your proxy back, spammer.

>>138661092
It's an inelastic commodity with a controlled supply and therefore needs a consumer advocate and regulation.

Basically because they can.

>>138661092
Two reasons:

Good goy version:
>Drugs are astronomically expensive to develop
>Investments are very tenuous, so getting investment $$ is tricky
>To encourage investment, successes are highly rewarded by legal and political mechanisms

Oy vey edition:
>Medicare/Ocare/nationalized HC can't bargain for shit
>Get run over (maybe intentionally) by investment firms/hospitals
>Since the middle class takes the brunt of the damage, the people calling the shots feel none of it

It's a big scam.

Say they charge you 80k half of which insurance pays.

Well it really only costed 2k to do.

The insurance pays 1.8k

And they say you owe 40k which they will take as profit or write off as a "loss" to avoid taxes.

So they charge you 40k for a 200 dollar bill and get a win win.

Either you pay and they win. Or you don't pay and they win.

>>138661092
bitches used to take care of everyone, then men decided they could make money doing it, so they did

then medicine got really intense for awhile, then the government said ok, listen, can you not disembowel people, this isn't curing them, so they made regulations

then the crazy people got out of the asylums, then obama changed everything (for the worse) and now nobody can fix it because it's impossible to fix perfection

>>138664442
In what world does your health insurance max OOP hit 40k?

I get what you're saying but nobody w health insurance should ever owe 40k in one year

>>138661344
Same with education.

The FAFSA, which stands for Faggot Ass Faggot Shit Ass Dumb Nigger Loan, is a system perfect for creating debt-saddled slaves.
Virtually anybody can apply and get approved because it's suuuuper important to ensure "access to education" since we ALL KNOW you can simply go to skoo to become more intelligent. "Access to education" is the pathetic phrase peddled by those who believe this.

The school is immediately paid by the government. The student is obligated to the government, not the school.
The government will approve huge loans because
>you might be poor now but once you get a degree you will get a really great job!
The school has almost no incentive to keep prices reasonable because the government will approve anything. It's not sophisticated enough to know what is reasonable.
Students and their parents are naïve enough to believe the same dumb leftist shit about education that the gubbermint does.

I was lucky enough to only get one year deep so I paid it off quickly. What is the average now for a year, $25,000?

>>138661092
>why is usa healthcare so shit-tier

neoliberal traitors
healthcare should not be a private for-profit industry, but a sector of govt services for all citizens
zero need for insurance companies
everybody gouging and nobody giving a fuck
all should be AT COST
and the costs should all be REGULATED
>a fucking leaf
your healthcare is also filled with gouging sleazeballs who have zero concern for ethics just like usa

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>>138661092
It's expensive because of insurance companies and no competition. Anything with guaranteed payments is going to shoot up in price, because it's, well, guaranteed. So hospitals jew the insurance companies as best they can, who in turn jew the consumers. With Obongocare, they have to give coverage, so if a boogie2988 joins and needs healthcare, they need to increase the fees for everybody else. This happens with stuff even in other countries, where you get stuff like retarded officials agreeing to pay 10x the price of basic items just because they're basically fucking retarded and don't care about taxpayer money.

Bag clip master race, pic related.

>>138661092
Because unlike Canadian fuccbois we actually give a damn about our patients.

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This.

>>138662553
Anything else is for plebs.

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>>138661092
>hurr i want to post this bait image but i'll get banned, so lets just do one generic "tell me about healthcare" sentence
nigger if you want to post bread memes. man the fuck up, and post them the right way. nigger an't a real /pol/ack unless he gets banned 3 times a month, minimums

>>138661092
Someone start a thread about ops pic.

Also just tuck that shit under nigga

>>138666292
No I am interested. Was having a talk about this with some of my buddies and I thought asking a bunch of Americans would be the best course of action

0/10 no mention of chargemaster, you guys need to read up on it.

>>138664156
I'm on my phone hopped from wifi to LTE so i got two IDs

>>138661092
The only thing worse than a bread box here is leaving the bag open.
Bread boxes are fucking shit and don't actually seal.
Twisting/tying/clipping is all superior.
Unless your bread box has a fucking gasket on it and some kind of clamp it's just as shit as tucking. Enjoy having stale bread.

>>138661092
Jews

>>138661299
I throw mine on the floor and use the vacuum cleaner

>>138661092
Drugs, niggers, fat people, government and (((greed))).

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>>138667132
Chargemaster being the list of goods and services a hospital offers at an exorbitant rate in order for insurance companies to (((negotiate))) to get a better (((deal))) right.

>I can give your insurance company a 40% off deal for your diazepam
>that's awesome
>that'll be $120 for the bottle then to you insurer.inc
>what?

>>138661166
Pharmacy makes up about 10% of healthcare costs. Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about.

no international competition, can only buy medicine made within US

Very unhealthy lifestyles / consumerists

Congress bought and paid for by Pharma lobbyists.

People don't know the price of treatment until after it is rendered, so you basically can't really shop for treatment, only insurance.

Insurance companies are jews.

Uninsured people use hospitals as primary care providers and don't pay their bills.

>>138661092
What does it mean if I re-use the bag clip AND twist and tuck simultaneously? Do I revert to True Neutral?

>>138662923
>>138661366
are you memeing or you seriosly have pumps for bread wtf

>>138662071
hospitals and health systems rarely do well financially as organizations but their leadership get paid exorbitantly

>>138661092
Fuck.
It's more expensive because the government is involved. Before that, healthcare PACs didn't exist. Now, health care wants the government to change things, so the have to donate to politicians who influence votes in congress.
The one who pays is the end user.

would you rather pay a hefty bill for the best healthcare you can get or get shitty third world healthcare that you pay with hefty taxes

too many poor people. they dont pay nearly enough taxes despite being more likely to go to the hospital. countries where socialism works have a population highly educated and receive a good salary. and white. in the u.s. it is the opposite. some states can pull it off. but the country as a whole can not

>>138661092
with bread or soft bags, tying a knot.
With hard bags, twist and buck+rubberband

am i the only one who puts their bread in the fridge

>>138668920
There are many nationalized healthcare systems that offer better quality and better cost than the US system.

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>>138661092
Also breadbox + knot is the only answer to the pic

>>138665352
its like indentured servitude

>>138668999
fuck off socialist

>>138661092
good things cost money idiot

why is a ferrari expensive?

>>138668939
>have a population highly educated and receive a good salary


That's because their education costs them 0. In the US, you have to get a house loan in order to get the same amount of education.

>>138661299
The only proper way is to stomp the bread bag flat

>>138669100
Healthcare is one of the few things that should be socialized

Mainly because capitalism / free market principles do not apply to medicine.

You will always seek the best quality care regardless of cost.

How appealing does budget healthcare sound?

>>138664156
Hurr durr look at me I'm a bot

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>>138661092
If you cansider that to be bread then the day of the rake can't come soon enough you filthy leaf.

>>138668982
I use >>138665809 for the bread that is out, then put it in a bread box. I also put bread in the freezer, maybe six slices per bag, with tied knots. Don't have space to put it in the fridge, but it's not a bad idea actually.

>>138661092
Simply put, exploitability

Doctors, medicine and the like will always be held in high esteem, they're saving lives. But come on, it's a niche market and demand far exceeds supply. Which way do you think the price will go?

Find a pharma/medical device/doctor or hospital that doesn't hinge their prices/wages on negotiated deals with insurance companies betting with another persons money, and I'll show you medicine savior and a stupid businessman simultaneously.

>>138664156
>>138669695
Oh wait no I'm not

>>138669233
its too late for the u.s. there is no way in hell spics would maintain a 1st world standard

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Insurance pools only work when each member pays in proportion to their actual risk.
Because needing to use the insurance is supposedly random, the people who don't need to use it pay for the people who do.
But it's fair because nobody knows who is going to need it and who won't.

Unless you're an Ameriblart.
For many Americans, they are so fat and disgusting it's virtually guaranteed that they will need expensive healthcare procedures in their lives.
You would think that we would just require these people to pay their share. For example, if you said to your car insurance company "oh yeah I'm definitely going to get into a catastrophic wreck in the next 5 years because I drive like a fucking moron" you can expect to pay in the value of your car or more within 5 years.
Not for health insurance though.
It's racist if you make people who choose to be fat, unhealthy sacks of shit pay more.
So everyone who actually cares about their body and their life has to subsidize everyone who doesn't.

Insurance is pointless when your risk factor is 100%. It's a system designed for participants with relatively low risk but high uncertainty, so that they can invest money in other things and not keep it around "just in case."

Anyway, most niggers in this country consider BEING PROVIDED health care a human right. It's like thinking the 2nd amendment means the government has to provide you a weapon.

I wish all of the fat and unhealthy people would just fucking die.

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>>138661092
Does america not have twist ties or something?

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The expiration date is on the clip, why would i get rid of it and tuck it or use a rubber band?

>>138661209
>>138661278
if you arent reusing the bag clip you are an autist

>>138669434
>Healthcare is one of the few things that should be socialized
The entire system, or no part at all. it will not work with this half-assed system we have now. All or nothing is the only way it will work.

>>138670074
exactly. people think insurers have magic wands. insurers need a salary to put in good effort into their jobs. they cant do that if they go bankrupt within the first month. and spoiled bitches in the u.s. also want quality healthcare. and of course this means they want the very best man for the job, who will expect a nice salary. i know leftists are stupid enough to leave it up to some buzz word spewing hippie to do the job. but obviously thatll fail

>>138670420
why are there two prices on it?

>>138661092
When you have a system where the government takes money from it's citizens to pay for the healthcare of others the people providing the healthcare will charge more because they know the government doesn't care nearly as much how much they pay for the same care as someone would if they were paying for it themselves. Add to this the problem that malpractice suits are so easy to start and win even with almost no proof of actual malpractice and the fact that the pharmaceuticals industry enjoys the strongest patent protections of any industry in the US and you have a recipe for corruption and greed. The odd thing is the entire reason the pharmaceuticals industry has all the patent protections they have is because the Democrats gave it to them. Let this sink in. Big pharma does NOT have those patent protections outside of the US. Big Pharma has to compete with other companies that produce the same medicines at a fraction of the cost that Big Pharma sells those same medicines to Americans in the US. Democrats are the ones that game them those protections and they are also the ones that are keeping us from importing medicines from places like Canada where the cost is tremendously lower than in the US.

>>138668519

It's all connected you dipshit.

>>138661266
Correct but you failed to mention the Democrats gave him the power to do it thinking he wouldn't do anything with it and they would get control and use those powers themselves. Nixon actually did it to call their bluff and make them sorry for even attempting it because he showed that price and wage controls don't work.

>>138661092
I do the twist and tuck

CMON BABY NOW
TWIST AND TUCK
CMON TWIST A LITTLE CLOSER NOW
AND LET ME GIVE YOU A FUCK

>>138670343
Do you have bag clips like this one >>138665809 ? I think IKEA should have them if not. They're very useful.

>>138670420
>Not having the expiration date on the package
What kind of third-world country do you live in?

>>138670420
I always eat bread weeks past the date all taste the same when it's toasted

>>138671675
do you buy a couple loafs and store them in the freezer or do you buy fresh?

>>138671442
I've never seen a bag clip like that but we do have ikea so it's possible I just never cared to look
twist ties are more convenient because they aren't bulku

daves killer bread is the best bread. good seed is goat

>>138672093
>twist ties are more convenient because they aren't bulku
http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/90339172/ AUD$1.99 for 30 apparently. Worth getting if you ever drop in there, although I wouldn't recommend going there just for that. Some IKEA stuff is "eh" quality, the furniture is alright but no more. It's your cheap starting furniture, does the job. Some stuff are really good deals though, like glassware and other things like those clips.

They're a bit more bulky, but they take a lot less effort to snap open and probably close it better in most cases.

>>138661092
Under private your paying directly to the Jews.
Under public your paying for every non-white and degenerate who steps foot in your country.
Maintaining private healthcare is easy way to keep us burgers under the "muh 'free market'" trance.

>>138672867
I'm well familiar with ikea, just not the bag clips

>>138661092
Chaotic neutral. I Never Really Thought About THIS BUT I MUST NOT Be alone. Do these actually fit their types? I always considered myself more chaotic good.

>>138662091
I hate your kind so much. Twist it you fuck

>>138674248
>Not half-twisting, clipping it and putting it in a bread box
I thought this was /pol/, not /mentally crippled/

Because in an industry where its pay up or die, you can charge what you want.

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>>138661092
Supply and demand. Not enough doctors thanks to the AMA controlling the med school admissions process (this lack of supply is evident in US doctors earning 300%-400% more than their counterparts in the rest of the industrialized world) as well as many Americans being terrifically unhealthy (thanks to our diets and sedentary lifestyles stoking demand.)

Leave the bag open, bread is made of wheat, like any plant it needs fresh air or it will go moldy.

>>138662091
Neutral Evil squad. It works a little different because we eat actual bread here and the bags are different. But same principle.

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>>138661092
>there are people right now on /pol/ who consider this bread

>>138675251
It's not so much a lack of doctors. The cost of diagnostic machines even get passed off onto patients. Go to a clinic and get a CT with a basic machine, or a hospital with a top of the line can do anything model. The hospital CT bill will be 100 times more for the exact same scan because they pass off the cost of the machine.

If you knot it you should just kys.

>>138661092
Ive done lawful neutral/evil and true/chaotic neutral.

Im the masterrace.

>>138661092
Insurance is mandatory so why not charge fuck all prices