>Average student debt is $30,000 >Job market dwindling

>>138648476
>is there a future for gen y and z?
No, why should they be afforded or guaranteed any future if they didnt fight for it?

>>138648703
You mean like the Boomers?

Have you tried KYS?

>>138648899
>The boomers
>what is vietnam
>what is iraq
>first women to go to work
>first men to deal with women gaining power
There is soo much shit the boomers went through that you have no idea about. Im gen x, my parents had me when they were young. I know their struggles.

>>138649272
>what is Vietnam
What are draft dodgers not to mention the majority of them protested the war by forming the hippie movement which was the beginning of the downfall for America
The Iraq war was mostly fought by Millenials and Gen Xers and of course Afghanistan War which is still going on today
>Muh struggles
Yeah the struggle of graduating HS, getting a well paying manufacturing job, buying a house and car at 22 while knowing there's a huge pot of gold of pension on the otherside of the rainbow. Most Millenials don't have any of those luxuries

Boomers took what the WW2 generation fought for and ruined it like they did with future generations

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>>138648476
I'd hire for job experience and work ethic way before hiring for education.

>t.human resources officer

>>138649876
>What are draft dodgers not to mention the majority of them protested the war by forming the hippie movement which was the beginning of the downfall for America
Draft dogers, what all 15 of them? Bill clinton? The downfall did start with the boomers tho.
The Iraq war was mostly fought by Millenials and Gen Xers and of course Afghanistan War which is still going on today
My apologies, I meant the gulf war
>Yeah the struggle of graduating HS, getting a well paying manufacturing job, buying a house and car at 22 while knowing there's a huge pot of gold of pension on the otherside of the rainbow. Most Millenials don't have any of those luxuries
They did start off with plenty of opportunities, however, by the fall of the Soviet Union, shit got much darker. Manufacturing left the USA in the mid to late 90's.
>Boomers took what the WW2 generation fought for and ruined it like they did with future generations
I agree, however, to believe that boomers coasted through 1970-2008 is to be naive.

>>138650701
The Vietnam and Gulf wars were not essential to America's stability. Had it not been for WW2 America would've never gotten out of their economic depression or became a superpower country. They fought to plant seeds of prosperity for future generations

NAFTA, 9/11 and the recession were the final nails in the coffin. Gen X at least had some prosperity in the 80s and 90s but now Millenials only have a fraction of that. The social security scheme is a Ponzi scheme that only works for the old investors while the ones paying in it now will not see much return

>>138648476
It's never been a better time to be a NEET. Vidya and anime galore. Fuck the American rat race. Still, I love hearing arguments about how a 2017 house and wife are worth it, even if I've never been remotely convinced.

I might, however, make $3000 at some mcjob to finance a trip to Thailand. Beyond that, the paltry money I would get for giving up 8 hours of vidya and anime every day offers very little compared to the NEET life.

>>138651575
>Vietnam was part of an ongoing effort to contain communism.
>The gulf war was the Bush family's response to shit talking by saddam hussain. The Bush family is an oil family, oil recognizes oil. When Kuwait was invaded by hussian and KSA was threatened, they called on the US for assistance. Because we had an oil crisis in the early seventies, we wanted to make sure we didnt revisit such an event any time soon. So we intervened. So it was part Bush family, part oil interest.
As for the the boomers lives, really, life wasnt dramatically better than gen x or the following gens.
My real problem with the boomers is the earliest boomers were arrogant as fuck and failed to recognize real threats when they seen them. The japanese shouldve never defeated us economically the way they did between the mid 80 through the late 90s.

I was born in mid 80's but think about the shit Gen Z is having to come to terms with.

>college is a leftist scam to get tens of thousands of dollars in debt for if you even get past affermitive action at all.
>decent jobs are few and far between even with college.
>rent is fucking obscene so you live paycheck to paycheck and can't save a fucking dime
>trying to be a man and have a relationship and maybe children but all the jews convinced the girls you know to be total whores or burners.
>due to no prospects any which way, hard drugs become popular
>grow up totally disconnected from everything because of social media

I'm not jealous at all of gen Z. They're fucked and going to just be pumped with SSRI for they're entire lives.

>>138652330
>Vietnam was part of an ongoing effort to contain communism.
We also lost that war

>As for the the boomers lives, really, life wasnt dramatically better than gen x or the following gens.
It honestly was . The U.S was prosperous until the late 70s but even after the recession the economy massively improved. The 08 recession had no cure and it's still being felt today

>>138651939
how do I become a neet, anon? How do i milk as much off the system as possible??

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>19
>Sophomore in college at large state school
>3.8 GPA in Electrical Engineering major
>No student loan debt
>Car paid off
>Long-term GF
>Scholarships/Grants over-covering the cost of my tuition so I get paid to go to school

How am I doing, goys?

>>138653163
Disability. Go to a therapist every few weeks so they can document your mental illness. It also helps if you work a few hundred temp jobs but never make it past the first day since you sperg out.

>>138648476
>Go to college
>Get a good degree
>Pay off your student debt within a couple years in exchange for a lifetime of good job opportunities

Why is this such a hard concept for students? No shit you're gonna have crippling debt when you waste your time on gender studies and race ethics degrees, retard.

>>138651939
Thank you for leaving the gene pool you useless mongrel

>>138653788
What? I'd more than double my NEETbux after just 3 kids. I'm totally going to have kids for the extra income.

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Read it and weep: what boomers inherited

>>138648703
this. its only a good thing if the feminist tranny faggot sjw equal cucks die.

>>138653347
Make that baby, son. You'll just put it off further and further. I'm in my early 30's trying to have one now. I fucking regret so much that I'm going to miss out on so much of their life in my prime years but I can't take it back. Time sneaks up and 10 years ago feels like 2 years ago.

Do it now.

>>138653537
My biology degree sure didn't get me a lifetime of good job opportunities. Just shitty temp jobd

>>138648476
>that flag
neoliberalism was fine before the clintons ruined it

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>>138648476
https://twitter.com/TrumInTheNorth/status/899793901724336130

>>138653347
it only gets harder

>>138654729
>fell for the STEM meme

the only shit that is actually job/money worthy is the TE

t. pure math student

>>138657319
Fret not. The NEET life is more comfy than I ever thought it could be, which is surprising, as others told me that being NEET is the worst thing that could happen. Now I only trust myself to define what happiness and fulfillment mean to me.

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>>138649272

>>138650343
>having work experience without expensive degree

>>138661072
I read that as
>having work experience without work experience

>>138654619
Everything is 10 times lower. What's the problem?

>>138653537
My engineering degree has landed me at a Costco. Go fuck yourself you ignorant sack of goat shit.

>>138649272
>First women to go to work

And they're all miserable.

>first men to deal with women gaining power

First men who had to deal with single mothers taking their children and raising them next to Jimbo who beat their sons and molested their daughters.

>>138662656
aaahahahahah daym that sucks bro, sorry had to laugh, yea we need another revolution/purge

>>138652974
They'll be good soldiers if we can put a gun in their hands and a direction to point them.

>>138662656
that's what you get for believing we live in meritocracy you retard

>>138653537
>pay off your student debt within a couple years in exchange for a lifetime of good job opportunities

The stock market is currently being held up by a tech speculation bubble.

You may not have noticed but the inner workings of Google are being exposed. All it takes is one massive whistleblower exposing all of the Silicon Valley corruption and the entire market is going to crash again.

I give it a few more weeks.

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>joined CAF as officer
>goes to civilian university
>education payed for in full
>all benefits like dental free all over the world
>guaranteed career after university
>studying political science
>78% average in high school
>making almost $2000/month sitting on my ass
>finished high school 2 months ago

how am I doing?

>>138654619
I rage every time

>>138654619
>New house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>$12,550<<<<<<<<<<<<<

FUCK BOOMERS HOLY SHIT

>>138662656
move out of bumfuck nowhere to a real city you fucking coward

>>138664331
Shouldn't you be on BMOQ

Currently an infy o in the reserves but will probably leave soon

>>138665424
BMOQ mod 1 ended the other day. still have mod 2 next summer

>>138665047
That's about 97k after inflation, but you'd be able to live in a 99%+ white area too.. and on an adjusted 50k/yr income...

>>138653537
>Pay off your student debt within a couple years in exchange for a lifetime of good job opportunities

Yeah except there fucking aren't any. It's all a fucking sea of not being diverse enough or needing a job to get experience except that job also requires experience.

>>138665821
>That's about 97k after inflation
AGAIN

FUCK BOOMERS

HOLY SHIT.

>>138665821
>That's about 97k after inflation.

Lol let's put in some rent control laws in, what could possibly go wrong?

Hey sonny, why haven't you bought a house yet.

Fuck me.

>>138648476
Anon it's all for the greater good. We have to kill at least 2/3 of the population by the end of the century.

The real money is to be made online, not working for some asshole. It's never been easier than it is now to start your own business since you can do it online.

>>138648476
Yeah its called being lawyer or doctor, stupid boy!

^read this in Asian voice!

>>138648476
>Average student debt is $30,000
>Job market dwindling due to automation and oversaturation of college degrees
Gonna be so fun to watch all these (((educated))) people suffer.

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>>138652330
>Vietnam to contain communism
It was to pick up a mess that belonged to French surrenderfags. And it failed anyway. Vietnam is communist. What's worse, over-spending on Vietnam is why we left the gold standard for worthless, constantly devaluing reserve notes. And now, in order to prop this worthless paper up, it's backed by crude oil. Enter: oil wars. And under Boomer mismanagement, we didn't even get the fucking oil.

>communism
You could better say that Reagan defeated it. He was born before WWI. Fact remains, most boomers haven't done shit except consume and perpetuate a dead, neoliberal order. And in the meantime, they gave America cultural Marxism, and mostly complained about the wrong government officials (e.g. all the Commies and Commie sympathizers in gov that used Vietnam as a way to kill off conservatives, without sending themselves to die).

>>138654660
why? what. that's a retarded opinion.

Why have a kid in your prime years? So you can give up your hobbies and free time to some flesh jew that needs your financial, moral, physical support for the next 18-22 years? fuuuuuck that

>>138667998
Instead you can choose to raise an autismo baby for the rest of your life.

>>138668383
Yeah and then they'll make for more fodder for this Pakistani rope making forum

>>138668739
You would know.

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>>138667998
So you can preserve our people, you fuckwit

>>138653347
watch your GF, watch her very closely, soon you'll be at the age where all of her friends are out riding the cock carousel and she will be getting bored at home. if you don't lift start immediately, and start becoming more masculine in every way possible. otherwise you're doing great, keep your discipline and you'll be fine in life. as the other anon said it does get harder, but there is opportunity for you to get better

>>138654619
>tuition to Harvard
>Less than 1/3rd of an average salary
Just fuck my shit up

>>138650343
Instead you hire niggers and faggots who create more work for everyone else. HR people are the lowest form of life in the corporate world. Burn in hell.

>>138669711
>brown nipples

Ewwww

>>138649272
>what is vietnam
Pointless.
>what is iraq
Pointless.
>first women to go to work
Greatest Generation.
>first men to deal with women gaining power
Thanks, that's done so much good for the world.

>>138649272
>first women to go to work
>first men to deal with women gaining power

>implying either of those are good.

>>138670432
That's what he's saying

>>138670202

That's what happens during pregnancy, ya blockhead.

Is there any one here in the corporate world or finance?

>>138648476
Move to idaho

If you have an in demand degree and don't have a good job chances are its your fault. You probably thought you were golden with a good GPA and a piece of paper saying you completed the courses. In reality almost anyone can do that shit with modern university standards, and whats even worse is that most jobs don't even 'really' require that wealth of knowledge. Like 95% of jobs can be done with a week of onsite training save the hardcore STEM professions. The smart people instead focused on networking and internships. Suck up to the right people in the right industries and you can talk your way into a job instead of relying on something that is quickly becoming the new baseline. Getting a degree doesn't mean you can do the job. They also want social people who can work in groups, engage in marketing, and hold presentations in all fields. The reason Chad Thundercock has a better job is because he knew the secret all along. Almost no job is actually hard technically.

>>138648476
Once Gen Z kills all the leftists, salaries will skyrocket.

>>138648476
Idk but I work full time barely cracking 25k a year pretax. I'm moving out of a 2br house that I rent for 500 and moving in with my 89 year old maw maw for health reasons. Waiting for my job to be unionized hopefully by the first quarter of next year

>>138667998
It's actually really fun raising kids if you do it right and teach them respect from an early age. Had kid at 24 and she is not a shit head. It's actually pretty easy, hardest part is playing for day care when they're real young.

>>138648476
>>Job market dwindling due to automation and oversaturation of college degrees

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2016-07-21/top-college-majors-for-finding-full-time-work

As long as you choose some sort of STEM related degree, then you are A-OK friendo

>>138672556
With a list of hidden requirements that long, the youth labor nonparticipation rate should be no surprise to you. People don't take the fact that the meritocracy they were raised on is a big fat lie with a smile and open arms. We just go NEET indefinitely.

>>138673236
Depends on the STEM degree.

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>>138648476
>gen Y and Z
nigger I am Z and I have more money from a stable job than I don't know what to do with.

>>138673236
Please link an entry level job application for biology

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>>138670202

>>138673239
By the time you find out you would still have time to change course and adapt. Who gets through university without catching on to what people are after? Go to one job fair or internship and it'll open your eyes. Plus another major issue is that nobody is willing to move for a job even when they're young.

>>138673434
how old are you? gen z is like 1995 to 2010. 22 is pretty young to have a well-paying, stable job.

>>138673348
True, but STEM as a whole is pretty good for getting a career. As long as someone is good with math and easily trained on the job, they have an advantage.

Gen Y and Z don't need as much money

>free music with torrents

>free movies with torrents

>don't need a TV now you have iPads and laptops

>>138673435
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/411273965?trkInfo=searchKeywordString%3AEntry%2BLevel%2BBiology%2CsearchLocationString%3A%252C%2B%2Cvertical%3Ajobs%2CpageNum%3A1%2Cposition%3A8%2CMSRPsearchId%3Aa07a85c5-be7a-44b7-b967-e985c0d9f896&refId=a07a85c5-be7a-44b7-b967-e985c0d9f896&trk=jobs_jserp_job_listing_text

>>138672720
t.boomer.

>>138657319
>TE
>not so fast ChemE, MechE, ElectricalE, BioE

It's literally just T, with T software related E's

Of course, tech is going to get massacred by EVERYONE trying to become programmers, a skill you can learn in your mother's basement in your underwear

>>138648476
There's barely a future for Gen X at this point...

>>138659778
where do you live? how'd you get a house

>>138648476

Anyone that likes free market capitalism and bought bitcoin/crypto is loving life.

Good time to be alive imo.

>>138662656
Clearly this is the fault have having human rights and a """"leftist'""" government.

>>138648476
Odd how the kike AMA union has kept healthcare costs up and the kike zoning/how has kept housing up.

How odd inventory has been kept off the market using QE money to prevent young white men a nest to raise a family?

The Romans did this to you before, are going to rebel?

>>138674249
You won't get anything handed to you anon. If you want it, you have to take it.

Has STEM become the new boogeyman?

>>138648476
Buy bitcoin and sit back.The wealth transfer will come to you.

>>138673435
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/429366954?trkInfo=searchKeywordString%3AEntry%2BLevel%2BBiology%2CsearchLocationString%3A%252C%2B%2Cvertical%3Ajobs%2CpageNum%3A1%2Cposition%3A9%2CMSRPsearchId%3Aa1f57048-4363-4c06-9785-33fcc821541d&refId=a1f57048-4363-4c06-9785-33fcc821541d&trk=jobs_jserp_job_listing_text

>>138672556
I had a shit GPA and didn't really bother networking. Still make $58K/yr...

>>138673435
I have a Biology degree too, I regret getting it.

Only get shitty lab jobs that don't pay very well. Wondering what to do to make more money or not work as much.

>>138674665
STEM was never real, it was a bamboozle pushed by professors that needed to be professors(and admins) while doing the research they were actually hired to do with that sweet welfare-queen grant money

>>138674428
i spent about $20 on 300 buttcoins years and years ago because it was an in-joke on a forum i visited to buy them and then i tossed that pc well before buttcoin became worth any money god DAMN IT

>>138662656
>>138662656
>>138662656

If you have that degree and are working at costco you need to stop blaming the universe and look at yourself. The problem is YOU.

Get a better personality, learn how to network, learn how show someone that hires people that YOU can produce more value than you consume, that's it. Stop being a faggot and go out in the real world and get a job that fits your degree faggot. Do that or stop bitching about it.

>>138674936
58k a year is like the new poverty line in most states.

>>138674665
Its the boogyman for lazy people who think ALL college degrees are a waste of time.

>>138648476
>job market dwindling
only for jobs they think they deserve. If you want to work, there is a job for you.

>Right wing governments constantly spend money on war and building huge armies and leaving the free market open
>Not a single far left government actually exists in the world. even in the nordic countries socalism isnt a thing.
>Bernie sanders wasnt even a real socialist but a market socialist.
>America spending TRILLIONS of dollars under GOP presidents on wars in the middle east
>Trillions of dollars in bale outs
>No single payer health care system
>lobbyists and big oil
>conservatives hold the highest potions of power even under obama

>Its the leftists fault the world is like this.

If you feel insignificant then you are not an expert or worthy of your field.

Stop blaming automation & AI for your laziness and be better.

Machines have been supposedly better in my field for over a decade and I can still wreck them.

Stop blaming shit.

You sound like a victimized nigger.

>>138675015
>>138675015
>>138675015

Are you calling them buttcoins as a semijoke or are you still unaware that crypto is going to literally change the world and potentially cause ww3. I wish the ww3 thing was a joke but I have had this conversation with very powerful people.

>>138674954
Go into environmental consulting if you don't mind the outdoors or contaminated sites...

>>138674954
Yea, although biology is STEM, its pretty low tier without academic qualifications above a bachelor's degree.

Nursing is probably a better field of study than just "biology."

>>138675277
how new dot ru

>>138648476
>automation killing jobs
RETARD ALERT. 300 years ago in the US about 90% of jobs were agriculture, but now it only makes up 2%. What happened? Automation. Does America have more or less jobs than then? Vastly more. "b-but muh new jobs don't get created when old ones get destroyed." Wrong again. One thing is certain though, your parents made a mistake

>>138675704

???

I've live at home and worked the same family job for 11 years. No college, no nothing really. Just saving every penny the entire time. I won't even say how much I have..Well, I'm so much better off than everyone my age that went to college.

>>138675049
>network
>be personable
>be intelligent
>have advanced degree
>have work experience
>and MAYBE we'll consider giving you a decent life, goy

>>138675446
Even with my kinesiology degree at least I can get a quick job with a small cert for personal training, PE teacher, athletic trainer.

Of course the good jobs are behind the graduate school paywall. We both have good chances at med school.

>>138675446
It's only low tier because of perspectives. The average bio student is light years ahead of the rest of the pack. They really are the only students as a whole doing college correctly, because they all want to be doctors.

Requirements:
>maintain high gpa
>do research
>be active in student groups / be tutors
>work/internships
>volunteer positions
>shadowing

And that's just to have less than a 1/10 chance of being interviewed, not even accepted.

Most degrees just require that you pass the fucking class to be "good", only med school hopefuls go through the grinder

>>138675304
That sounds like a good idea, actually. Where did you hear of that?

>>138675446
I know nurses make good money, but fuck being a nurse. I considered working in a hospital lab but they require further qualification, you handle urine and feces, and the pay is basically the same.

>>138665820
Rip, civie u means infinite bmoq until grad. Cause for summer training they have nothing better to do than send you back to bmoq. So have fun. You going to be so good at morning pt and cleaning barracks.

>>138675195
The problem is that the bar is constantly being raised despite there not being a need for it for most existing jobs. More and more youth are being told they have to go to college to be successful. That they have to go to graduate school and even pursue a PhD. Eventually college will become the new high school, but the requirements and curriculum will become as weak as that of high schools. Meanwhile people are forced to pay an ever increasing amount for this nigh mandatory process (or so they're told).

>>138675277
The McDonald's cashier is not a "very powerful person" even if they wouldn't let you buy a happy meal with your nerd coins

>>138676090
I just got a BS in Biology. I did not plan on going to med school so I didn't do any of that extra curricular shit.

I sort of want to be a medical examiner or a coroner. I'm going to look into that and the environmental thing, could be pretty cool.

>>138675963

No one is going to GIVE you a decent life faggot. You have to EARN it. Everyone walks into an interview "gimme gimme gimme gimme". What you are really trying to do is boil it down to this "I will generate money for your company, with my skillset I will produce more than the other 10 guys that came in here today."

The anon in question already has the hard part done with the engineering degree. He just needs to stop being a faggot and go to some meetups or meet people in the field. He has no social capital or capabilities it seems.

Dude there's more companies hiring than ever in my area.

Every day I drive to work I pass by at least one new sign for some manufacturing facility/whatever. The place I'm working at is hiring new people like crazy.

>>138676216

Should I send you .1 ETH from one of my accounts so you can cry.

>>138648476
illegals seem to be doing pretty well, why is that exactly? I'm not supporting them so don't take that wrong, but I'd truly like to know why so many citizens are becoming drug addicts while people who can't even speak English are flourishing. Have people just lost hope? Is the support for mestizo scum to come in and outbreed us that much greater? I still dunno why it's nearly a year into trump's presidency and nothing has been done about welfare for non-citizens.

>>138676599
You're quite incorrect. Your employer literally GIVES you a decent life in exchange for work, faggot. Obviously you have to be given the chance to show that you're capable of doing the work. You're clearly a redditing, civic nationalist, "muh bootstraps", /r/the_donald mega faggot with shit IQ and reading comprehension, otherwise you would ahve understand that the argument is that THINGS DON'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THESE HOOPS FOR A CHANCE TO PROVE YOURSELF, DUMBASS.

>>138676090
Also, at least for my program, you hit every hard class you can think of

>entire calc series
>entire stats series
>entire physics series
>entire gen chem series
>entire o-chem series
>entire biochem series

And the rest of the coursework is shit like
>genomics
>molecular biology
>cellular biology
>developmental biology
>microbiology
>anatomy
>histology
>physiology
>evolution

Mathfags get to be mathfags, engyfags get to be engyfags, biofags have to do every kind of fag there is and then be poor forever.

>>138677015

Because the illegals come here to work instead of complain that life isnt fair.

The people who are already here are entitled faggots that would complain about rain if it was gold falling from the sky near them.

>>138677070
Why not? Nearly all job positions have hundreds of people competing for it. Why should they hire you over the others just because you claim you're hot shit and are the best person for the job? Everyone who walked in the door probably said that. They can't hire you just because you want it and say you can do it. They need proof and thats where experience, networking, and interning come into play.

farm.

Youtube Curtis Stone. Or Justin Rhodes. Its not hard.

>>138675997
Certs are the key factor. I'm a MechE student. If I don't pass the FE exam at some point, I'm pretty much stuck at entry level with any firm I join unless I become an entrepreneur.

>>138676090
Engineers have the same basic requirements, employers just aren't as stringent. Jobs don't just fall into engineers laps either. I basically need 4 out of 6 of those requirements, interships/work experience and good gpa being mandatory if you don't want to be dead end.

>>138677164
So what are you going to be with your Bio degree? A doctor?

>>138677070

Life isnt fair, get over it faggot. Either you earn the job or you don't. How come so many other people in this country can "jump through the hoops durrrrrr!!1!1"

Also, I think the trump administration is horrible for the country but then again I think both political parties are nuts. I definitely dont run around complaining about life "not being fair waah" get over it and get to work.

>>138677853
>Nearly all job positions have hundreds of people competing for it.
>HURRR I CAN'T FIGURE THE PROBLEM OUT ON MY OWN PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO MY RETARDED BRAIN HURR DURR

>>138677937
I knew a lot of engineer students, they definitely do not need even half of that, basically all they need is internships, which every major needs. Engyfags definitely are not required to shadow, volunteer, tutor, or be in clubs. GPA barely matters as well, the most successful guy I know had a two point something in CS and is making six figures at Amazon

>>138677971
Tried and failed. Trying again while working literal poverty wages in a research lab doing high level shit

>>138678211
What point are you even trying to make? Talk normally.

>>138678135
No one said anything about life being you retarded mongrel. My life is fine but anyone with a brain can see that there are huge problems in the economy and the hiring and education process in general. You're not being unique or insightful by inserting yourself into this thread with your dumbass platitudes, now get lost.

>>138674097
>Tailor a CV and apply
>automated reply
>We regret to inform you that the Nissan Motor Corporation is currently seeking applicants with a more diverse background in our mission....
Fuck this gay earth. This shit should be illegal against white males. Every application I send makes me a more content NEET. Fuck the American rat race.

>>138674929
>3+ years experience minimum
"entry level"

>>138677070
>>138677070
>>138677070

Also, if you're employer is "GIVING" you anything you are doing it wrong. Your network should be extensive enough that your boss is battling just for the privilege to have you on board. It should be you doing him/her/the company a favor for not taking more money with the riskier company so that you can stay loyal to them.

If your situation does not resemble the above scenario then you need to go network or stop crying.

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>>138654619
Yeah, Boomers fucked the economy. Particularly the housing market. I don't begrudge them anything else, but they're really ruining everything having to do with housing, and then they have the fucking nerve to complain when Millenials and Gen Z are living in apartments rather than buying their overpriced homes.

>>138674421
Parents

>>138670038
Fucking this. HR and Marketing people are just one giant circle jerk. Fucking worthless.

>>138677164
>engyfags get to be engyfags
>>entire calc series, Linear algebra and ODE
>>entire stats series
>>entire physics series
>>entire gen chem series

And the rest of the coursework is shit like
>solid mechanics
>fluid mechanics
>material sciences
>programming
>circuit analysis
>thermo 1-2, heat transfer and transfer phenomena
>machine and systems design

At least you generally only have to study one machine and don't do a lot of design work.

>>138678689

You are an ant crying on an anonymous image board. I've got news for you, you are not contributing either. The education process is fucked but I can tell by the way you are crying that your beef is with "hiring". Lrn2 network faggot.

>>138678656
Damn are the attempts expensive? Why did it fail?

What do you do in the research lab, and what does it pay?

I work in a probiotics lab making $20/hour. It's grunt work though, super easy basic stuff.

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>"How did he get in here? He's supposed to be outside with those few people."

>"Where are the protesters? I think it's too warm with their little masks and helmets and clubs."

>"Don't worry, it's only a single voice. And not a very powerful one."

BAHAHAHA how will antifa protestors ever recover?

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>138648703
>No, why should they be afforded or guaranteed any future if they didnt fight for it?

this. every other generation other then these 2 went out and fought for their rights.
the difference is millenials are fighting for the wrong things, they fight for more government than any other generation.
i honestly can't believe how fucked my generation is

>>138678955
>tfw marketing

We literally go from company to company sucking dry resources like locusts.

I'm amazed we aren't a dead career yet with the advent of the internet.

>>138678871
Will housing prices deflate when these old fucks finally die?

>>138679262

They are fucked, ancaps etc etc should be fine though. Where are you gonna go when the envious butthut nazis/communists decide to tear each other to pieces?

>>138678745

If you are putting in applications you are retarded.

>>138679203
Attempts are incredibly expensive, entrance exam is $450, then to apply it's $250 for each school.

For example, my main target school takes ~100 students, and gets over 5k applicants per cycle.

I do a lot, but I've been focusing on programming because it's a solid alternate career and I took a bunch of CS courses. Otherwise, I spend my time doing animal surgery, electrophysiological experiments, hypothesis testing, training students etc.

>>138679262
They fight for more government because they rely on the government due to their situation. They see no short term relief for their situation and thus end up seeking government aid rather than planning for the long term. Not to say they haven't been dealt a bad hand, but its been greatly exaggerated.

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>>138648476
Your argument can basically be distilled into

>inflation is theft
>foreign speculation is reckless profiteering
>speculating on future pension returns and blowing the money on current day gibs is theft
>outsourcing of all jobs has lowered wages
>fractional banking w/high interest rates is raping my country

Guess (((who))) is responsible for all this shit?

>>138673734
I agree that the top 1%, the ones who do everything right like networking, internships, publications, awards, shadowing and the works, will do well. The problem is that the vast majority are "good enough." By not giving the "good enough" graduates jobs, you're setting a lot of people up to be jaded and voluntarily not participating in the labor force, like the situation with our youth now.

>>138679045
Depends on the engineering, most definitely don't take full chem series or stats series. And the rest of that is just math dude, it's a one trick pony, but if you're that insecure whatever, but engineers aren't doctors(and sure as fuck aren't qualified to be) for a reason

>>138678745
entry level in the united states always says 2 to even 5 years experience. Even if it doesn't say preferred, its just a preference. if you did well as a student and got the right certs, then its not a requirement.

>>138648476
just declare bankruptcy

>>138679795

You should get into blockchain development. There is a major shortage right now and we are paying insane amounts currently. Also, the layers around the epicenter are not that many since it is a very new industry. If you go to a meetup or a conference you are going to be about 1 or 2 intros away from meeting CEOs/founders/CTOs/VCs etc etc

>>138679182
Im self employed you retarded faggot. And ya im crying because you're literally beneath me. I have an IQ of 140 but I had to waste 4 years of my life getting a math degree to prove it because of the retarded Griggs vs duke supreme court ruling (of which I am sure you are unaware). But to your feeble brain apparently anyone who cries is only doing so because they can't find work. I barely work at all and I make all my money through securities. How does it feel to slave day in and day out so that mr. noseberg can drive a porsche, little civic nationalist faggot?

>>138679812
yes i understand their position, but its not coming from an honest place.
all of those millenials have high end phones, cars and college degrees. so basically they are complaining about cost of living when they take up a shit-ton of loans to begin with.
what wrong about downsizing your lifestyle and work a simple job?

>>138679781
Don't worry senpai. I'm too cozy to regularly apply for jobs at this point. I'm a NEET. I just owe it to the person I ask for a job application to at least spend 10 minutes on a customized application.

>>138679961
The good enough people aren't trying hard enough and putting themselves out there. It takes sacrifices including moving away from home, taking lesser jobs, and spending extra time often unpaid working on building your skills and connections.

>>138680304
Great advice, thank you. I'm really lucky because I live in Seattle, so if I really want to give up on my medfag dreams and pursue tech, I'm in the right place.

I have a decent github portfolio right now, mostly Java and Python, focused heavily on computational bio stuff, so lots of numpy, pandas, scikit, machine learning algos

I just REALLY want to be a surgeon and cut fuckers with a scalpel for big money

>>138680434
Because millennials were told by their parents and grandparents that they have to get a college degree or they will be a failure in life. By the time they found out it had been an exaggeration, it was too late.

>>138680414

Lmao I'm crypto rich faggot and I'm not a civic nationalist. I believe in merit 100%, I dont care if someone is black/mexican/asian/whateverthefuck.

Look at you crying over someone driving a porsche though, and your boast about a 140IQ and you use that intellect to cry like a little bitch about someone driving a nice car. My god you are a bigger faggot than I thought, and I already thought you were a massive faggot.

What else are you going to cry about? Does the noseberg have a nice house tooooo? Awwwwwww poor babeeeee you pooor thing, you deserve it toooooo. Its not fairsywairsyyyy.............

>>138653347
>posting on pol

Doing great there

>>138680838
that's why i stopped listening to old people. most boomers lived a humble lives and now they reject that idea. only 7% of them got college degrees

>>138680762

Go for it man, you sound like you are on the right track with the right mindset, the world is yours. You even have a backup plan which is sick. (I dont think you are gonna need it though lol)

Not like this faggot over here crying about people with nice cars. >>138680414

>>138677853
The red pill on job listings is that it only represents 10% if that of the real job market. The vast majority of hiring is done through networking, as employers don't want to take the risks of employing a stranger so always take somebody on recommendation instead of a virtual unknown.

Of those 10% ads, maybe 3% are fake ads, posted as requirements for H1B compliance. They have no intention of hiring anybody, just need to have them up all the time so they can claim "Waaah! Nobody is qualified we need to import foreign workers!" such as Faceberg with their like hundred job listings that are never filled or even changed. To get into Faceberg they always recruit on campus, or poach somebody from a diff company. Same with Netflix, ect.

Finally the remainder of those jobs are either bait and switch, so a recruiter faking you out and offering a shit position once they bait you, or a bot that simply filters your resume looking for certain indicators, and like 10,000 people apply to every job (post one and find out yourself) so good luck.

btw if anybody here is a NEET, and they want free school (and they are American) then you can attend LambdaSchool virtually F/T during the day and to pay them back after they "assist" you in getting a job in the industry they take a 3% cut of your wages for awhile. It's much better than the other way around, where you borrow money, and then are paying it forever because of Jewish interest rates theiving. https://lambdaschool.com/courses#cs

>>138680041
You're right, it depends on the engineering. I'm a senior MechE student and it is not "just math dude." We have to know a little more than the basics of most other engineering fields and everything that has to do with energy being moved. Then, comes design work, material knowledge and have a quality amount of programming knowledge.

If being an engineer is a one trick pony, then what is a doctor? You guys are basically good chemists who study the human body like a machine.

>>138654619

>pay off your home in less than 4 years.
God dammit these guys had it good.

>>138680434
There's nothing wrong with it and you can live a nice lifestyle with little money if you have no constant consumerist expenses.
But we're a planet of indoctrinated consumers who keep on buying and buying.
I think that the raw and rampant consumerism exist mainly because people are trying to plug that empty hole inside themselves with stuff.
They identify with businesses and products, because they don't have identity of their own.
They buy things so they can become "popular" online and get those delicious thumbs up from others.
I believe it's a lack of direction,hobbies,purpose and future that causes this.
There's only the moment for young people and the only momentary joy comes from going to the store and buying the latest iPhone.

This is why I think that people who drop out of the society and go full NEET or self employed are the most sensible people around.
They do whatever they themselves want to do and don't get into that "maximize profit and consume!" lifestyle.

>>138675167
>any of those people
>right-wing

wew laddie, got a new one here.

>>138681377
Spoken like the utterly average individual that you are. Wtf is crypto rich? Jesus Christ.

>>138681912

This guy^^^ good+smart guy.

>be me
>supposed to be doing calc I homework
>get comfy and browse pol instead
>conveniently find this job/economyfag thread
>read almost every reply just to procrastinate homework
>get super blackpilled and not want to do homework even more now
>ofug.gif

is there ANY, and i mean ANY reason to even try anymore under the current American economy, anons? Things are looking super fucked and even if a good portion of us try-harded, Im fairly confident what we have is still unsustainable, especially given all the niggers of every race we have to subsidize with welfare. please anons give me a reason but no cheezy, motivational, economically short-sighted buzzphrases lol only actual arguments about why I should even try or why we are not fucked at least.

>>138681912
Correctly 17% salary jewing for 2 years on gross income, but claim only if you make over $65k/yr otherwise no charge. Obv you would go over the fine print but if you're doing nothing all day there ya go.

>>138682320
Be a finance major, join a frat, and be at an ivy league university

Easy peasy

>>138682098

Yea, my IQ is probably average, what about it? Your cry like a little bitch level is in the 99th percentile as well

Cryptorich = I've been in bitcoin since 2011 (thanks to 4chan) do the math.

I visit every now and then to see if there are any smart devs or anons lurking around.

>>138682320
Depends what your goals in life are. Some people like to seek knowledge and reach lofty goals just for the sake of it. If you're okay with an average or meager quality of life then no you don't need to be an educational tryhard by any means. Of course funding the things you like to do in life is strictly limited by your job so if you like doing expensive things you better man up and smarten up.

>>138649272
>first women to go to work
>women
>work
Why are you listing these as accomplishments? Women are more miserable than ever because they've been subverted into a thought process where they think working like a man gives them empowerment when there is no higher empowerment than being a mother. Even Communist knew this, for fuck's sake.

>>138682320
You learn Calc to expand your mind, not for money or a job. You're also forgetting eventually when Trump arrests the entire DNC and has nightly show trials on Breitbart TV sometime in the future, the jobs market will explode especially in any kind of biotech industry like programming CRISPR algorithms.

>>138682459
thats what alot of my friends are actually doing lol but none of them have the almonds to make it far I think, im going for engy but im tempted to go to finance. What kind of job would be best after getting that degree? My friends rich ass uncle is a hedge fund manager and he makes a fortune, but i hear you dont get to that point for a really long time after making connections and shit. Also im not a ppl person so id prefer to just crunch numbers bts if u catch my meme

>>138680530
Unless there is a rigid set in stone list of requirements, the good enough people will always be told that they're not trying hard enough and putting themselves out there enough when they find themselves unemployed. Until they break the top 1%. Knowing that and how the NEET live has never been better, the choice is obvious.

Hi people of 4chan. Boomer here and first day on 4chan can you guys tell me how to post images on here thanks

>>138682687
Thanks for acknowledging that you're a literal retard when compared to me (more than 2 standard deviations below me). Grats on getting lucky with your bitcoins, although it does seem hypocritical to come into this thread whining about people who wont network when it seems like you've done shit all to earn your wealth. The people here have a right to complain.

You can leave now.

>>138683037
Business is ALL about networking/connections, even when you're autistically smart, you need someone to see that or vouch for it.

I'd unironically say switch to finance depending on the engineering you're doing. If it's anything other than CSE(comp sci engy), fuck off to finance dude. Go to reddit and read the horror stories from EE, ME, CE, BioE etc. It's grim.

However, if you LOVE being an engineer, do that because that's better than money.

I am serious people can someone tell me how to post an image.

>>138648476
People laughed at me when I got my English Literature and History degrees. They told me I was an idiot, and I'd never be able to find work.

Started freelancing in college, editing people's theses and dissertations, academic papers, things like that. When I graduated, I convinced one of my clients, a software developer, to hire me on as a technical writer.

Making $95K after five years, and come October, I'll be bumped up another 5%.

To get a decent office job, literally all you have to do is have a skill they need, cram your foot in the door, and be good at what you do. Then stick with it and grow with the company.

Technical writing isn't that hard. Anyone who can read can learn it. You just have to have impeccable grammar skills and be able to research the shit you don't understand. I'm writing whitepapers about algorithms and user manuals for things I don't understand.

Point is that STEM is a meme for a lot of people. Unless you're a woman or some minority, the next generation isn't going to have a future in STEM. They're going to have to move to the humanities. There IS work there, you just have to learn how to find it.

>>138654729
STEM degrees only gain usefulness when you decide to get a masters or PhD. Besides that you got conned into believing you could get into med school or something. The "STEM shortage" is just a scheme to depress salaries in the STEM field. Time and again there have been "shortages" but they have never gone away nor has our lack of correcting them negatively affected the economy.

>I fell for it too. Just got my MSc in Biotech though. Filling out job apps. Easy to get in since a master's is equivalent to 2 years of working plus a bachelor's.

>>138682797
>>138682975
thx for the fuzzies anons, but i feel like if we all adopt the contemporary magazine "do whatever you want" mindset our economy would prematurely crumble, however, this is ameriburger and with so many irreversible gears in motion and over 350 million ppl my career path will have such a small effect that youre both probably right lol <3

you seem to be active can you tell me how to post an image

>Unemployment is sky high where I live
>Businesses shutting down left and right
>50% of shopping and business areas are empty/foreclosed storefronts
>Employers are only hiring women and minorities
>Military only taking women and minorities
>Young men my age are piling 6-7 into a single house just to afford the absurdly high rent
>Nearly everyone has some degree of university education yet still works shitty retail jobs
>The ones who aren't working retail are working shitting government jobs
>"Millennials have it so good! They just have to work harder!"

Life ain't fair, I guess.

arrrr never mind young millennials

>>138683608
>Business is ALL about networking/connections, even when you're autistically smart

this is why most businesses fail. networking makes for biased evaluations

>>138683755
read the manual
https://www.4chan.org/faq#what4chan

>>138683414
>>138683414
>>138683414

Lot's of people read about bitcoin back then faggot, not many took the leap. I did the networking and went all in because I had an opportunity to meet the people working behind the scenes and it was impressive.

Is that all you do irl. Boast about your high IQ while complaining like a crybaby faggot?

Or do you do other things as well?

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>>138648476

> owner secretly sells IT company out from underneath of everyone (12 people)
> ends up waiting till the friday before the monday he was closing the doors to "let go" of all but the 3 people he HAD to take with him to the company that bought him out, whom he was given a sales position for a year (and to make sure all the past bills owed from the client base he brought in were paid up)
> left the rest of us holding our dicks in our hand
> what he didn't know was that we knew 3 months beforehand that he was going to end up losing the company or selling out because he lost our biggest client
> starting squirreling my money away so I could live for a few months without working
> took 3 months off after he screwed us
> decide to go back to work
> looked up "IT providers (insert city here)" on jewgle
> sent resumes to the top 5 that I liked based on location and company reputation
> got a call within 24 hours asking when I can come in for an interview
> 2 weeks later I'm making 15K more than I was before at a better place with a better employer

My secret:

> lie your tits off on your resume about schooling and job experience, just make sure you can do what you claim you know how...or just be the best bullshit artist in the room

Seriously, I didn't start getting phonecalls the last time I looked for a job before this last one I got screwed at until I "jazzed up" my resume.

Oh, and the smaller the place (mom and pop shop, etc.), the easier it is to generally pull this off, because they're way more likely to not check your background very well.

Remember guys, it's not impossible to find a good job, you just gotta be a good liar and know your job well enough to fool everyone that needs to be fooled.

Thanks to lying and years of hands on with servers and networks, I make 83K a year...and I never even went college, unless you look at my resume.

>>138648476
No shit, a world where you take more from nature than it can produce

>>138648703
You expect Gen Z, children who have been or are currently being indoctrinated by the education systems across the globe to be progressive beta's to fight?

>>138648476
theres a future for rich people and poor single mothers on welfare

>>138683608
i just started so road's open, electrical/comp engy is my current allignment rn but i hate the required math memes for it. idk, ill probably stick to this and try to invest on the side or some shit, thanks for the reddit tip though maybe ill learn about some engy shit to avoid or something

>>138683893
Nice. If I ever do get back into the workforce, I'd to ESL in South East Asia. The requirements are set in stone, like actually robust. Also, there is an actual shortage, not a "we didn't get 300+ applications!" shortage, for white English speakers. It helps that I'm used to homeless living conditions, so SEA is an improvement. Good luck with the biotech in America.

>>138683794

Have you written any blockchain white/yellow papers?

>>138648476

Speaking truth bombs here... only way out is to secure land, wealth, and capital now before its too late.

>>138684218
>>138684008
>>138683755
>>138683395

Lmaoo, not a troll?

>>138684316
>and I never even went college, unless you look at my resume.
heartily kek'd

>>138684669
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659775

>>138653788
Thanks for working and payibg taxes to shanaynay so she can afford her 8 nigglets out of wetlock, and working hard only to slow down the inevitable collapse of ((civilization))

>>138683794
STEM a meme degree? You high?

>>138684988

Those 3 marmelab posts, that's you?

>>138684316
When I was in highschool I worked P/T at this rigging shop. The dirty redneck guy, who was the head rigger, told me numerous stories how he just faked his way into jobs his whole life.

He once posed as a diesel mechanic and then would be reading the book under the truck all day trying to figure out what to do. He also faked his way into the rigging shop but then read literally everything there was to know about rigging immediately after being hired and rose from the guy sweeping the shop and cutting lengths to being the head rigger. It can be done, half the Bush admin did it if I recall with phony degrees

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>>138648476
>Is there even a future for Gen Y and Z?
follow the current trend of cutting off your dicks. Maybe you can make a few shekels on patreon.

>>138685327
No just thought you were looking for blockchain info

>>138685421

No, I sorta work in the industry and I have a soft spot for anons from 4chan still, so I drop by sometimes.

There is good money in crypto whitepapers right now though.

>>138683794
you can be replaced by grammarly nigga, you just got lucky.

>>138685736
Any tips for a good starting point to get into it from the dev side? Like, language/packages/skills etc?

>>138685736
Web Annotations are a thing now, so you can now run your own annotation server and have somebody subscribe to it if you wanted. Imagine the /pol/ or DailyStormer annotation server, every page you land on comes with comments. Or a mathematicianwho decides to annotate papers

>>138685917

Solidity is the big one at the moment with all the ICO's going on. Also, C++ is still the bread and butter since that's what btc is written in.

Best advice I can give you though is to go to as many blockchain events/meetups/gatherings as you can. You will be only a couple of layers away from all sorts of founders/VCs/CEOs etc etc. I was too young but people say its very reminiscent of internet mid 90's or the early PC days.

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>>138648476
AnCap Utopia! YAY! Go Garry Johnson.

Milfag here getting my Comp Eng degree at military college paid for in exchange for service.
Full salary and benefits right now and life is good. I have no idea what it will be like if I decide to get out tho.

>>138663145
this. Gen z knows something is fucked, and they also know it's not the white man nor the white man's society

>>138686559
You're awesome bro, I'm the medfag hopeful, but I genuinely have in interest in tech just for fun if not profit. Guess I'll be spending some time with C++ and looking into meetups.

>>138686570
You're also awesome, thanks bro.

>>138654619
US economy is fucking trash.

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>>138648476
>Average student debt is $30,000
o.k. not really that bad. it was your investment...
>Job market dwindling due to automation and oversaturation of college degrees
oversaturation is on us, automation on the other hand, but automation... eh, it's hard to say pic related
>Now a service economy due to loss of manufacturing jobs
true, but I think americans are more frugal these days: they spend less on new things,
>Housing unaffordable and rent skyrocketing
unless you're in a shrinking city
>Cost of living going up while wages have stagnated for years
define "cost of living" we didn't se as much before and now we use more things then back then
>Social security and pension funds will dry up by 2035
meh.
>Recession of 08 has permentaly crippled the economy
what happened? the housing bubble? I forget.

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>>138685362

As luck would have it, I just happen to be a self-taught IT guy who really knows his shit and has 20+ years of experience.

I went to a tech school for IT (only for the piece of paper and it was free thru a scholarship), but it sure as fuck wasn't college, and to give you an idea how good I was...they made me the afternoon instructor after I basically walked in, seen the curriculum and told them to just hand me the final so I can get this shit over with, and passed it the first time around with a 93%.

I've been doing IT related shit since I was 12, so I got somewhat lucky with getting a huge headstart on the technology, which diff sets me apart from most.

The vast majority of young people calling themselves "Techs" these days are fucking idiots that have barely any fucking clue what they're doing, which makes people like me that much more valuable.

>>138687117
>low wages good
>high living costs good
>everything inflated without wage increase further reducung wages
If you werent already established youre fucked.

/pol/ needs to settle this.
>immigrants are a problem because they lead to a labor surplues which keeps wages low, among various other things
Or
>millenials are just lazy, fucked up from estrogen and shit, and should try harder

>>138649272
>first men to deal with women gaining power
thats a funny way of saying cuckolded low testosterone faggots that let women dominate them

>>138688307
both. we need legal immigrants and harder working millennials. I couldn't tell you how understaffed my store is 24/7. mine and many,, many other places where we see one person doing the work of two. then again, if millennials already are working somewhere else then all the more power to them I guess.

>>138688759
>We need legal immigrants
For no reason at all.

>>138673734
>nobody is willing to move for a job when they're young
Few of these jobs are worth moving for. Might as well join the military. At least if you survive, you'll have job security.
But people wonder why we're so right wing... Bitch, you destroyed the economy, and now I kill sand niggers for oil we'll never get, in one of the few meritocratic institutions available for the people waking up to the harsh reality of this shell of a country.

>"oy vey where'd all these nazis come from"

>>138689526
if they're legal that means they'll NEED THINGS and they will pay their taxes and buy things from US. Plus tourism, plus foreign relations, plus overseas programs, plus plus plus etc.

>>138681912
LambdaSchool's website says they take 17% for two years if you make $50k+. If you make $55k, that's about 10 grand a year. $20k for 6 months of online education is a lot of money, more if you get a higher paying job. Plus there's opportunity cost of attending 6 months full-time (I make only $37k/yr, with benefits, so that means I'd lose another $18k and would be without insurance. Though that's before taxes.)

I'm still considering it, but if they think I can do it in 6 months of training, maybe I can just train myself.

Plus tech is in a bubble.

>>138690030
>Muh stronger economy
We have no fucking reason for legal immigration. There are 350 million people here. GDP does not determine standard of living. Legal immigration now is a psyop by big business to drive down wages.

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>>138688759

>>138682975
Honestly, the dems will probably support CRISPR while the republicans are going to say it's playing god.

>>138690262
are you actually saying immigrants will want lower wages then whites if they move here? they'll want HIGHER wages if they need to go through the trouble to be legal. Only illegal immigrants will settle for lower wages, because the money they save on taxes evens out, plus if they start moving here legally guess what? their countries will actually try harder to keep them! such as long as we preserve our natural land, immigration should not be an issue if it's legal. but I do see why you'd be against that because our state governments are very greedy and have cut down a good many trees for that reason. but that's not immigrations fault.
>>138690289
civic nationalist ftw.

>>138662656
>>138665934

You're retarded. Move to a new state. Get a job on an oil rig. Work in a specialized trade like nondestructive evaluation. Go to work for a big corporation for a few years and volunteer to work in Alaska or the UAE or Argentina.

You can easily make $100k+ annually with only a high school diploma by making small sacrifices when you are young. And you'll be fucking loaded after a couple of years, have friends that have better values than the cocksuckers you obviously associate with now, and will have the experience and background to write your own ticket doing what you want to do.

You're lazy pieces of shit. Boomers may not be great, but you're a disgrace. It's never been easier than it is now.

30 grand isn't shit if you have a real job moron. I'm sick of people who made poor decisions bitching about their shit tier degrees.

>>138691220
No, more people in the market means lower wages. If you flood the engineering market with 3,000 pajeets, engineers get payed less. I guess Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, etc need 100 million people in them, that'll make them richer.

>>138691220
>t. civic nationalist
Now I get it.

>>138691337
>write your own ticket

Why is this such a common phrase with tradefags?

WHERE DO YOU ALL LEARN THIS PHRASE?

(((WHO))) IS THE SOURCE?

>>138665934
>there aren't any
No, you're just in a shitty state. I found a job in 6 months, cast a wide net, moved, and made more than my debt in salary starting.

>>138691503
*3 million

>>138648476
>teach English in japan for 2 years
>come back
>get job as casual ESL teacher
>been here 6 weeks
>becoming head teacher next week

Work's out there m8

>>138691880
Nice, any hints on starting out? Eikaiwa?

>>138654729
Biology is literally the worst STEM degree. If you can even get a job it's the lowest paying. Should have done more research

>>138648476
>Decades of neoliberal capitalism and a system that catered to Boomers has left everyone out in the cold to die

No.

Keynesian economics coupled with corrupt a corrupt political establishment and the introduction of socialist policies is what has caused the problems you see rising today. The economic problem in particular started back in 2001.

>>138692137
>psych says hello
>sociology says kill me quickly

>>138692137
Don't you know it is called STEAM now.

>>138692137
>biology without being biochem or bio engineering
Yep, straight bio is what women and niggers pick.

>>138691503
I'm not saying it will make them richer, I'm just saying it won't make them poorer. It will just decrease tax dollars from the countries immigrants are fleeing from, and the economy will be the same because the individuals will need the same as everyone else and will provide that to eachother like everyone else already is. the issue is systematic not by race. If enough people leave a country that country will want to improve: so they'll improve because they're losing people. the issue is resources though. which I understand you wish not to waste.

>>138692137
No calamity here senpai. The NEET life is comfy enough that I'd be happy here forever. The only thing that can get me out now is a prospect of adventure, like becoming an ESLfag abroad.

>>138692065
Nah, eikaiwa is fucking terrible. Find a dispatch company that supplies public schools. Interac, borderlink, etc.

Jet is the ideal but it's tough to get a gig unless you're already a teacher and/or living in japan

>>138692428
There is no point. Less people will make them richer. There will be more resources to go around within the country, preventing dependent trading with other countries.

>>138692499
Yeah, I failed my JET interview; the consulate general herself interviewed me and shit all over my interview answers. I'l screencap your post though, it's hard to get perspectives when you literally have no network. I'm N3. Any pros or cons to give about the ALT life/work life?

>>138692137
All STEM is worthless unless you are doing engineering or comp sci.

>>138692882
>Comp sci
So you can be paid severance to train the H-1b replacement.

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Give it to me straight lads, is college worth it or is it just a meme? I find the idea of it super boring and a waste of time but there's no other way to get a job.

Someone please tell me any other options

>>138693012
Do you want to work with your hands? Your body will go to shit by 50 if you do.

>>138684316
Can anyone confirm about lying on the ol' resume? My current (big) company hired a background-check firm to investigate me before I was hired. I thought those guys verify GPA and everything.

>>138693012
1. Suicide
2. Black/Underground jobs
3. Blue collar work
4. Entrepreneur

>>138692882
>comp sci
don't fall for what I fell for man

>>138691220
How about focusing on purchasing power parity instead of GDP. All the high wages in the world mean nothing when inflation (muh quantitative easing) and the cost of living continually rise. Third world welfare recipient laborers certainly aren't helping.

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>paid off my credit card debt yesterday
>going back to trade school for my 2nd level soon
>saving up for a used car
>a banker's fool i am not

i feel like i got off easy compared to some of you

>>138693012
Construction wages will continue to rise as the amount of people applying for construction jobs dwindles. (alt. plumbing or farming). And it'll teach you actual skills too. And you'll get to go outside.

>>138693012
If you don't know anyone who can get you a job than yes it is worth it. You won't learn anything you couldn't learn from youtube, but a college grad will never hire a non-college grad for anything other than lifting boxes. So, get one but make sure it is useful and get an internship asap.

>>138692850
Your nihongo is better than me. I did a practice test and scraped through n3. Kanji fucked me. Most of the grammar I did in high school.

Basically it's a normal school day. Hang out with the kids as much as possible and be willing to help teachers with anything they need. Suggesting activities/preparing lessons is a good idea too. Basically if you suck up you can get away with a lot of shit.

Aside from that it really depends on the school. Mine were awesome but my gf had trouble with one of her schools and the head of English gave no fucks and the kids are renowned little shits in that city.

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>>138657319
>TE
I graduated in april with an IT degree and have been job hunting since January. 225 applications and seven interviews later and I still haven't landed a job. I've interviewed from everything from programmer, data specialists, help desk, to software support. Just got an email yesterday that I wasn't selected for a job I really had my hopes up for. I'm fucking 26 living with parents and working maybe 21 hours a week if I'm lucky in retail with a damn STEM degree. Highly debating just going full NEET as working retail at my age is embarrassing and soul crushing.

>>138691564
I was in the military, got out and contracted in afg, saved up and started my own biz. now i make 100+ a year, turn away jobs i dont want, and set my own schedule. i work 60-80 hrs a week, but i decide when and can take vacations whenever im getting burnt out. i can retire before 40.
its not hard. im not special. just mak some fucking sacrifices and when you're young and play the long game.
writing your own ticket means diff things to diff ppl. for me, working on my own schedule and havign max flexibility is most important, so i put up with the bullshit parts of the work.
other fags may value different things. the beauty is, once youve sacrificed a little bit, you'll have thought about what you really want and why you want it. if you want to work for someone else, you'll have proven you can handle more stressful/shittier circumstances than what they'e offering.
havigng control feels good man.

>>138694064
What kind of business?

>>138690170
Addendum: It also looks like the school and its hiring partners are in San Francisco where salaries like $50k+ are nothing. If one of those hiring partners gives you a job offer and you decline, you probably still have to pay (the website doesn't say)

>>138693861
where do you live? why dont you move? there are plenty of places where they'll hire anything with a pulse. fucking pathetic

>>138694154
flipping houses

>>138693622
Thanks for the intel. Any last tips, like attitudes to go into the phone/live interviews with, or places to request? The enthusiastic gun-ho genki persona didn't work out for the JET interview. I'm thinking about asking for the general Akita, Kansai, or Fukuoka regions at the moment, though chances are slim I'll get any.

>>138694538
Is that difficult to break in? If you know, how hard is it to break into investing? I am still in college and don't want to work for someone else my entire life. I figured I would save up ~300k and work on my own.

Perhaps my decades long employment to at Walmart is a blessing. I survived the 2008 recession, hopefully I can make it thorough the next economic crisis as the his is the his he best job I'll ever have.

>>138648476

Oversaturation - total bullshit. Job market is dwindling because of out sourcing. People are getting shit degrees like ethno cultural diversity expressionist dance yoga studies.

>>138694665
I was in Tokyo. I'd suggest the chad answer of "be yourself". I cannot into genki so i never pretended i could. Basically if your force that shit, even if the interviewer doesn't notice, the kids will be on to you super quick. Plus forcing yourself to adopt a persona for 6-8 hours a day is fucking exhausting.

Do you have any ESL qualifications?

>>138693364
yeah, I guess you're right.
btw I found 4chan official capital:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwmY1XUTBpE

>>138693012
nondestructive evaluation or some other niche trade.
be a roustabout on a deep sea oil rig. work 3 weeks on/3 weeks off and starting pay is $80k/year, plus you wont spend shit when you're on the rig where lodging and food is free.
dont go to college out of high school. work and make bank for 2-3 years and find out what you want to do. you'll still be young enough to fit in and have fun but you'll be serious about school if you actually know what you want to do. plus, the ppl you work with while you're making bank will be better influences and have better values than fuckhead friends from high school and college potheads.

>>138654619
OY VEY GOYIM
DELET THIS

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>>138694351
I live in a big city in the midwest you nigger, I've applied to places out of state as well and never even get a call back. Why the fuck would you up and move without having a job lined up? That's just stupid, where are these places they will hire anyone with a pulse mr. israeli cannon fodder?

>>138695495
BAD GOYIM
COME WORK FOR THE TEMP AGENCY

>>138693012
The fact most of them take exact 4 years to complete shows they're mostly filler. Lots of useful knowledge, but you won't remember 80% of them after you're done. People learn things by doing them, so they get to learn their trade only when they get an internship.

One solution for you would be to study something you enjoy doing (which doesn't include fapping and larping as a nazi), assuming you have any semblance of talent in you. What hobbies do you have that you see having a market? Do you like reading? Why not study to be an editor? Do you like vidya? Why not take the CS route?

>>138695213
Tokyo is probably where I'm going no matter what, I figure. Did you at least get a steady work schedule not liable to change? Your gf too?

I have no ESL certs. The closest would be a fuckton of courses about the Latin language that makes me critical of English grammar. I can afford a CELTA if I wanted one, and probably would go for one if you recommended it.

>>138695329
>chinese

sounds about right

>>138653537

phd in eng at top 20 school n cant get a real job :)

>>138695779
I did celta. It would likely help. Yeah basically you get guaranteed work 5 days a week. I got paid the equivalent of 2200aud/mo. Shit by aus standards but the cost of living is like a quarter or here in tokyo so it was fine.

>>138695966
Become a professor

>>138696012
Yeah, I'm not at all money motivated. You seem to know a bit about the ESL industry so I'll ask: is there any significant difference between doing my CELTA in the nearest big city here in America and doing my CELTA in Bangkok, Thailand?

>>138694699
you dont need 300k unless youre in NY or DC or CA somehwere, go to a growing midsize city, work on houses in your off hours while you have a full time job to pay the bills. live in your first couple flips and you'll have enough tools, intel, and capital after 2-3 years to quit your other job and do it full time. it helps to have side money coming in though, maybe keep some PT job or work for hire 1-2 months between each 5-6 month flip.
Your side work comes with a 1099 or w2, you pay taxes on it but banks count it as income; your flips are schedule a, you dont pay payroll taxes and can pay less than 10% marg rate even making 75k annually, but its good to have a mix of both to show lenders

>>138696370
>>138696012
I'll add: and doing an online CELTA?

>>138696056

thats what im doing while trying to get out :)

>>138653537
The concept of good job opportunities is hard to undesrtands nowadays

>>138696558
I thought engineering professors get payed >100k a year

>>138696370
Nope. Thats the attractive thing about CELTA. Basically, Cambridge send dudes around the world to ensure the the qualification is consistent.

>>138696463
Dunno about online but i assume the assessment protocol would also be true there too.

>>138696634
*paid

>>138696634
Cant speak for eng of burgerstan but just as a point of comparison the director of studies where i work took a 100k pay cut from her position as a lecturer of masters in TESOL. I don't know her original income but based on not worry about taking that much of a paycut I'd assume north of 250k is a reasonable ballpark.

>>138694351
this "WHY DON'T YOU MOVE HURRRRR" comment always pisses me off.
I have family here. I have no fucking money to move. I can't even afford an apartment. what makes you think I can afford to move to a new state and be HOMELESS?!

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>>138648476
Firm handshake.

>>138697108
Eng or*. I cannot into typing today.

>>138696660
Thanks for the assessments. I'll get that CELTA instead of a car and see where it goes.

>>138697151
Being homeless isn't that bad. I lost about 50 lbs and learned some creative ways to sleep. Still, no one should have to be homeless to move to an area for a job hunt.

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>Is there even a future for Gen Y and Z?

One of glory.

>>138697905
WITNESS ME!

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>>138697714
>have no job
>have no money because no job
>forced to live with parents because have no money because no job
>no network connections
>day after day filling out online applications
>"We reviewed your application and regretfully..."
>die inside a little bit every day
>university degree is useless
>trying to into trades but no skills
>over a year left til graduating trade school
>slowly going insane being 25 and living with my parents as a failure at life

>>138697714
Godspeed burgerbro

>>138695428
Sounds interesting anon where does one start with this , trade school?

I wouldn't mind being out at sea doing labor work if it means I make bank

I love seeing the plight of idiots who managed to follow through with 4-years of studying bullshit without ever considering what waits for them after graduation. Do these faggots ever get on the internet??

>Went to college in 2005
>Majored in music & education
>Saw how few grads were getting hired, realized there were hundreds going after a handful of band director jobs in the state
>Said "fuck it" ans joined the Marines
>Learned electronics to fix radios
>Started engineering technology program two years before getting out
>Finished my enlistment and degree at the same time in 2015
>Got a job at electronics manufacturer for $45,000
>Immediately got offer for security engineering for $60,000
>Been there 2 years, now making $80,000
>Using GI Bill to get master's degree for free (plus housing allowance)
>Laugh at former music ed classmates who work at Outback Steakhouse