Why aren't you christian, /pol/? Do you really want to spend

Most of them are, but there are always non-Christians trying to blaspheme here.

>>138603549
>Why aren't you christian, /pol/?
I'm not a nigger loving retard.

>>138603675
Every atheist converts eventually. Or kills himself from the all consuming depression.
https://youtu.be/zSif77IVQdY

>>138603549
I am, I'm Mormon.

>>138603882
Stop being edgy and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior
>>138604512
I said christians.

>>138604512
how does it feel to wear magic underwear everyday? did you get your superpowers yet?

>>138603549
Because there's. No evidence god exists, and Occam's razor
>universe appeared from nothing
>god appeared from nothing, then made the universe
One of those is favoured by Occam's razor
>worshipping a like on a stick

>>138604623
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is humanities saviour
>>138604729
The underwear forces people to dress modestly, ontop of being snug.

>>138604623
He's an edgy teenager who hates his absentee dad. Then some jew/marxist on reddit sunk his claws into him deep. He'll look back on these years as absolutely wasted.

>>138604922
>like on a stick
Hiroshimoot pls ban phone posters.

>>138603549
Because it isn't actually true. Nice stories though.

>>138605190
Atheist can't do anything besides mere assertion.

>>138603549

>do this or I'll kill you forever

I don't respond to terroristic threats from sand people.

>>138604922
>>138605190
How do you know God doesn't exist? Did you ask for some shit and didn't get it?

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>>138604950
Still better than catholics.
>>138605331

>>138605331
>dead 4ever
Aren't you accepting that as an atheist though?

>>138605376

the burden of proof is on those making the claim that there is a Jew demon sky dictator named Yahweh.

I'm one of the few atheists who sees the benefit of christianity when it comes to uniting the west against mudslimes and kikery though.

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I am,blessed be Jesus & the lord.
Don't take the blasphemous bait some anons will leave here,they feed of the (you)s of angry replies

>>138604950
>denies the trinity
>Christian
>>138605780
>but i'm a moderate atheist
Where've I heard that argument before? Oh yeah, muslims.

>>138605503

>if you don't agree with me then you are of a certain physical characteristic

Literally the feminist small dick argument.

>>138605673

No, I follow the mantra of my ancestors.

Cattle die
Kinsmen die
The self will also die
I know what never dies
The deeds of dead men

Cattle die
Kinsmen die
The self will also die
But there is one which never dies
Glory is forever

This always rang true to me more than anything Abrahamic. I personally never cared about paradise since my life is already good here.

>>138603549
There's no rational way to demonstrate that 1) a god (as we understand the concept) exists; 2) only one god exists; and 3) that god is the Christian god from the Bible. If you can connect those together, I'm in.

>>138606027
Load of rubbish.

Fame in the eyes of men is worthless.

>>138606027
Why do atheists like you pretend to be pagan? Isn't it just you're too ashamed to admit your marxist based atheism?
>physical appearance
You atheists have many ways, I can usually spot a jew/atheist quickly, even when you leave your fedora at home.

>>138606397

Then why the whole war over statues in the USA? Why is the left trying to stop us from revering our heroes? If none of that matters then why does this enrage us? You offer spiritual nihilism.

"I care not if I die tomorrow or next week if my deeds live on after me."

Literally from your national mythology.

>>138606265
You're going about it the wrong way.

>>138606632
They're doing it because they can.

Essentially it's a provocation directed at Donald Trump.

> Convert or burn
You christfaggots never change.

>>138603549
Because I practice a faith I've constructed based on my proto Indo European studies

>falling for the desert cult meme
lmao0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o

>>138606679
>>138606978

Pretty weak arguments.

I will fight for my people and ancestors and leave you to shrug "meh, we're going to die and be in heaven so who cares".

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IGNORE SLIDE THREADS

>>138606265
The existance of a monotheistic God that created/designed the universe is self-evident. I place my faith in Christ and God because of the Holy Bible which has no equal among holy texts. There are only 4 or 5 major religions anyways, and those can all be dismissed from the shallow and error ridden nature of their holy books, except for Christianity.

>>138607013
Yeah, your choice.

>god of unconditional love and forgiveness
>sends you to a lake of fire if you don't know he exists

rly makes u think

>>138606009

I'll call out radicals when i see them in any form. How often do you see ppl blowing themselves up crying out "deus vult!"??. If there were radical christians running over children a la truck of peace I would condemn them too. Christianity has become tame over the years after being reformed a million times over unlike Islam.

On the other hand, "Moderate" muslims generally dont condemn the actions of radical muslims and instead cry out about how theyre being victimized or yammer on about muh islamophobia. Alot of them secretly get a hard on over these attacks and preach about it in their mosques.

>>138606601
Why would an atheist pretend to be someone on an anonymous image board?

>>138607203
Everyone knows he exists. Many in open rebellion claim he does not. Many hate him without acknowledging his existence. But none stand before him with a valid excuse not to know he is.

He is the Great I Am. He is your creator.

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>>138603549
Because im not going to bother reading a book written 1000 years ago by sandniggers that didn't know where the sun went at night.

>>138607313
Because of the stigma of being so foolish that you claim you know there is no God, a statement that would require infinite knowledge.

>>138607380
No clue what that book might be. Sure doesn't describe any part of the bible.

>>138606632
Even Cuchulainn will be forgotten in time.

Doing things because you want glory in mens' opinions is dumb. Doing what's right in God's eyes is all that matters.

>>138607422
Yeah because the bible is filled with retarded shit that no one takes seriously. Religion is for the weak willed. Kill yourself you worthless faggot.

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>tfw god can read your mind at all times and knows of all the times you thought about tdoing most depraved things possible and getting into heaven was never possible

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>>138603549
Don't like American Christianity.

I want to join the really old and authentic sects/churches in Europe.

>>138607319
My mind is open to see, hear and accept god and yet there is nothing.

>he can do anything
>but won't

This shit doesn't make sense.

>>138607617
Such a sad, strange little man you are.

>>138603549
I just don't by that there is a God and an afterlife. I do agree with the morals of christanity though.

>>138607655
God has done many things, and is doing many things, and will do many things.

The only question for you is whether or not you want to be a part of it.

>>138607700
God said there is, so there is.

my parents are protestant and they'd always talk bout god and we'd pray all the time so I thought it's real
after I did some growing up I began praying a lot and reading the bible
a couple of years of zero answers to prayers and a growing heap of bible contradictions unexplained to me by christian apologetics I read the other sides arguments and fell hard for the r/atheism meme
it's better now after studying some basic philosophy I understand scientism is not the way to go and respect the significance of christianity on our culture but I probably won't believe in it any time soon

>>138607203
Your decision is what condemned you though, not God.
>>138607285
You are saying you are a moderate atheist, but you're just as much a radical marxist kike enabler as any of your extremist friends.
>>138607313
That's why i asked, instead of making pro-atheism threads they larp as pagans like varge, its sad.

>>138607751
I'd be happy to clear up all of your "bible contradictions" for you, if you'd like.

>>138607142
Explain to me what in the universe is self-evidently the work of a monotheistic creator.

Cant be bothered with religion honestly. Ill just not be a dick to others and that at least guarantees purgatory before paradise for most religions

>>138607746
But I don't believe there is a God.

>>138607655
>yet there is nothing.

There is the universe God created. There is you, whom God created.

>>138607034

In other words you're a fedora tipping fag ashamed of admitting to be a fedora tipping fag so you made up some sort of "spirituality system" by cultural appropriation which has neither spiritual nor cultural foundation beside
>muh incestors

Checkmate xtians, now he really showed us !

>>138607793
Three choices.
Eternal universe
Self-created universe
Made by another universe

Pick one, and justify it.

>>138607824
You do, actually. You suppress the knowledge so that you may hide from him in darkness.

Darkness cannot hide you from God.

>>138607861
and you believe that because a prophet said God spoke to him. but he didn't speak to you did he?

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>>138603549

I'm Agnostic.

>>138603549
>prefering the safety against hell before actual freedom
then you deserve neither

>>138607890
None, actually. Just things that don't fit into your faulty worldview. A faulty worldview without answers, I might add.

>>138607890

>its all literal guys
>sola scriptura go- .. I mean guys

>>138603549
Most ethnic jews are atheists.

>>138607655
God has shown you but you won't see his truth. He cannot change your mind anon that is up to you. He has given you answers but you refuse to listen and rebuke him. Then you claim that he has not done anything to try and save you, blasphemy.

>>138607968
Still better than fedora atheist.

>>138608053
this

>>138607655
>having eyes, ears, and a consciousness

>>138607948
He has, actually.

And I believe it because it's the definition of the title "God". "Creator". Those are titles. Nobody knows God's real name; He has made a new name for himself, and the name he gave Moses was a placeholder for a name, not an actual name. YHWH. I Am That I Am. or I Will Be What I Will Be.

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Genesis claims plants were created before the sun, doesn't get the chronological order of evolution right and claims there was a global flood and Noah somehow managed to put a pair of every species into one boat, the size of which was known.

>>138605331
Only you can send yourself to Hell anon...

>>138607968

That's worse than being fedora. I mean you basically ARE atheist, you're just not admitting it. Chose a side and take responsibility.

>>138607725
Results from recent studies show doubt that free will even exists. This implies God is making me think this way.

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>>138608152
>inb4 muh metaphors

>>138603549
Because Christianity is based on human sacrifice.

You can't refute this.

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i got out of goat fucking islam . i aint joing child fucking christianity.

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I am, but I have difficulty holding onto my faith, enough so to where I'm not sure that I'm saved, as I don't have a strong desire to go out and act upon/use The Bible as a tool for bettering my life and following Christian values.

My faith dwindles constantly, with me finding myself hating my religion for holding me down.

>>138603549
Beats going to heaven which is full of pretentious and obnoxious fuckheads.

In all seriousness however Christians always talk of how everyone deserves hell. If that's the case why should we try to get into heaven, wouldn't the noble thing be to accept the punishment for our crimes? After all if you committed a murder which would be more moral accepting a life in prison or begging the judge for forgiveness and suffering no punishment for your crime?

>>138608152
They're not claims. It's what happened.

Did you forget "Light, be!" was the first command? There was plenty of light before God put light into the sun. God Himself is light.

The bible gets the chronological order right; mankind gets it wrong.

There was a flood.

Noah only needed 50,000 pairs of animals to create what we see today. So about 1/3 of the space in the ark.

I can do this all day.

>>138608189
Thats why it's called agnostic atheism. Sometimes it is better to admit ignorance than to take a position just for the sake of it, his logic is not flawed.

>>138607751
>My nigger tier begging of instant gratification for mana from heaven didnt work so it must not be true
Dont pray for results. Pray for self improvement. When you are alone talking to god its much easier to understand your priorities. Treat it like meditation, but by speaking out loud what you care about in life. What do you want to improve about yourself?

>>138608152
The size is about \___________/ x 9 gorrilion big anon come on

>>138608152

>changes flag from German to this
>color me surprised
>>its all literal guys
>>sola scriptura go- .. I mean guys

When will you retards learn ?

>>138608211
GIGO

Garbage In, Garbage Out

A computer telling you reality is a computer simulation is garbage.

God says choose this day whom ye will serve. So choose.

>>138608251
Well done. Avoid Islam and Catholicism like the plagues that they are.

But reconcile with your Creator, personally, while you still can.

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>>138608189

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

I don't want to claim to be an Atheist, because I can't disprove the notion of a God (or gods). It would be just as arrogant of me to claim that there is a God as it is to say that there isn't one.

Also, you clearly didn't read the photo I attached.

>>138608277
If you can say out loud that Jesus is Lord, and know in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.

>>138603549
You're worshipping one of ours.

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daily reminder that the most racist, sexist, anti-semetic, violent and patriarchal major organisation that ever existed in human history was the Catholic Church before the reformation.

the church of St. Peter is /ourchurch/

>>138608289
It might be noble to receive what we deserve, but it's not wise.

Take the pardon that was purchased for you by the blood of God himself. Be wise.

>>138607751
You just havent lived long enough to understand your pride wont sustain you. Nice choice of false idols though, i choose the intelligence meme too.

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because im muslim

>>138608410
In the latin, agnostic translates to "ignoramus". That's what you're proud of being. An ignoramus.

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I have a strong religious drive; Christianity and so on has fascinated me for my whole life. I love the idea of Jesus etc. but I don't actually think it's true. What do?

>>138608432
So should you be.

>>138608289
You have to look at it from a legal point if view.

God can't save you if you won't let him.

>>138608449
Yup. The church for hellbound losers.

>>138608557
Repent, and be saved. If you dream of a faceless man in glowing white robes with his arms outstretched, go to him.

>>138608293
Then why did God even bother creating stars?

>The bible gets the chronological order right; mankind gets it wrong.

Then prove it. How could there be birds before land animals?

>There was a flood.

>Noah only needed 50,000 pairs of animals to create what we see today. So about 1/3 of the space in the ark.

How did he collect them all? How did they not just murder each other and how did he feed them all? And wouldn't these animals all descend from incestuous relationship? Similar to the biblical story of adam and eve, where there were only two humans originally.

>>138608598
Sort yourself out.

>>138608410

No you're just too lazy to do the thinking, actually. You are de facto atheist. You strawman "arrogance" is just hiding that very fact.

>hello I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is "I'm so smart so everyone that takes a position is arrogant and an idiot"
lel

Atheism is even more degenerate than Islam desu

>>138603549

Reminder there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church

>>138607154
Your choice also.

>>138608357
1. Ad hominem
2. Muh metaphors
3. So tell me what the church has to say about this

>>138608432
So, why aren't you a Christian if you think He's one of yours?

If Jesus was a Jew I'd say He takes the title of stupidest Jew who ever lived.

>>138607793
Make a list of the things you take for granted in order to believe atheism. This XYZtime space we navigate that shouldn't exist, matter/atoms that shouldn't exist, Energy just spontaneously created at once, this entire bio kingdom on a rock in space, your own consciousness and self awareness.

TFW show me proof

>>138608700
To show you His glory, and His power, and to create signs to show you what is going to happen, and what is happening. To guide men by night. To create in humanity an awe of the universe he made.

I don't understand why you have a problem with the order in which God made things. Birds can live just fine without animals; animals can live just fine without birds.

God collected them all. Ever notice animals have a sense of impending doom? Ever notice animals don't get caught in earthquakes and tsunamis? Multiply that times a thousand, and add the guiding power of God for them to get to Noah (over a 100 year period).

After all, which is the more difficult? To speak the creation into existence, or to cause animals to go to the ark?

>>138608798
There is no salvation inside the Catholic church.

>>138603549
I am, but I;m not very good at it.

>>138608293
>Noah only needed 50,000 pairs of animals to create what we see today. So about 1/3 of the space in the ark.
You are forgetting about all those parasites, and land dwelling invertebrates. Even then you you need to consider food which would take up a ton more space especially when you consider that you need extra animals to feed the carnivores.

>>138609001
There is no being good at it. It's a permanent transformation a person has either undergone, or has not undergone.

If you can say out loud that Jesus is Lord, and know in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you are a born again Christian.

>>138608567

Doesn't change the fact that it's arrogant to claim either way. Religion isn't an important part of my life, and I live according to the picture I posted.

If I'm wrong, then great. I just don't want to spend my life as a servant of some book or God.

>>138603549
Hell is not a place, it's just final death. Heaven is life after death.

>>138608944
The problem now is that there is definite proof that the order is wrong, we have transitional fossils and dna tests, scientists are even working on reconstructing dinosaurs using the inactive dna of birds.

>>138609030
That includes all of them, all their food, everything. "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" is still for sale if you're interested in the specifics.

And there were no carnivores before the flood; everything ate veggies. Even men. Only after the flood was Noah given the right to eat animals.

>>138609084
It's not arrogant to believe God. It's wise.

>>138608734

I never claimed that you (or anyone else) are idiots. I simply said that I think I would be arrogant to claim either way.

You're clearly looking for an argument, but I don't see a reason to debate the topic with you. I won't change my position on this matter and neither will you. So why bother?

>>138609129
And again a Catholic directly contradicts Jesus. What a shock.

>>138603549
I have no faith. How do one just start believing?

>>138608808

>ad hominem
No, I'm just stating that you obviously are smug about some sort of (((knowing the truth))) while you clearly haven't done anything but watching a vid about how some questional internetz-atheist interprets the Bible, instead of reading it yourself and research what the Church has to say about it. And that's retarded, plain and simple. Therefore you're a retard either coming here to just bait people, in which case: congratulaions, or you're really just highly ignorant. In that case you should consider quitting /pol/ for today and go read articles that come from the people you're defaming instead of self-proclaimed (((intellectuals))) that have nothing better to do than dedicating their life to discredit people for "muh feels".

>>138609188

According to you, sure. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Why do you care? You don't know me. If I end up in Hell, then that shouldn't bother you one bit.

>>138604512
>mormon
>in Britain
But why?

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>>138607968
you sitll go to hell

>>138609132
There are no transitional fossils; they gave up and just said all fossils are transitional fossils.

And all of the fossils were created at the flood, for the most part, and 95% of those are small sea dwelling creatures that were buried at the bottom of the sea, yet often found at the tops of the mountains.

the flood was an ELE, not a rainy month. The water did not recede for over a year; every volcano went off; all the fountains of the deep came up. The world broke apart soon afterwards.

>>138608638
Why should I let him save me from a punishment I deserve? My point wasn't about pride of refusing to debase myself in front of god, my point is that if you deserve a punishment the noble and moral thing to do is accept the punishment you deserve.

>>138609193

So you're indirectly insulting people while dodging the actual thing I've expressed twice now. Yeah, clearly I'm the one looking for shit to fling at others.

>>138609230
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Get the bible on CD and start listening to it. And know what faith is. Faith is the ability to believe the unseen. You already have faith, and you already use faith, in your daily life.

Because it's just another sand people cult amongst hundreds at the time. There is no reason to believe the Bible stories and dogmatic spirituality is blatantly inferior.

>>138608419
But I thought one was also not only supposed to accept Jesus as their savior, but also try to follow Christian beliefs and values. Talking the talk is different from walking the walk, after all.

>>138609262
But if you end up in heaven, we can rejoice together that the Lamb of God saved us.

>>138609312

That may very well be. I'm fine with that. Why do you care?

>>138608644
>My particular sect of 40,000 different others that came about 1500-1800 years after Christ's time on earth, and is chained down in interpretation by language translation is the REAL, TRUE Christianity.
>Not that stupid one that was organised by St. Peter himself , has Centuries worth of high level biblical theological, moral and philisophical research and debate under its belt, and survived multiple major crises and mass persecutions that only seemingly coincidental divine intervention could cause such survival. They're fake because their church walls aren't a barren single colour.

>>138609166
>And there were no carnivores before the flood; everything ate veggies.
This is all kinds of retarded. Although hey at least Christians can blame veganism on the degeneracy of man before the flood and the degeneracy of man in the modern era.

>>138609386

You have some anger issues to sort out, dude. If you are some sort of poster boy for religion, then I'm glad I'm not a part of it.

>>138609443

If I end up in Heaven I'll probably end up getting thrown out for bad behavior :p

I was raised Catholic and it set me up with some good morals, but it pretty much kept me a friendless autist during high school. I've dropped it since and feel a lot more open and like my social life has picked up quite a bit.

>>138607968
Well put.

>>138609354
Accept your punishment, then. I don't give a fuck.

>>138609166
>And there were no carnivores before the flood
Let's see if this is correct. The Flood was (according to the bible) not longer ago than 4,400 years.
How do you explain the fossils of carnivores before that time? What did carnivores like crocodiles, felines, canines, bears etc. descend from?

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>>138609217
I'm Orthodox. Read Matthew 10:28, the soul gets destroyed in hell. The other descriptions are purely metaphorical.

>>138603549
>Falling for Jewish spiritual death threats
Go kill 20 million more Europeans over which brand of autism will save you from YHWH's wrath

>>138609605
>Boohoo I didn't get HPV before I turned 20, FUCK YOU MOM & DAD.

>>138609541

Where do I have anger issues ? See that's exactly what I mean. You're dodging the accusation, because you know deep down that it's righteous.

Anyway, God bless you and have a nice day. I hope you will find the courage to finally stop being devious about the matter and choose the right path.

>>138609760
>Go kill 20 million more Europeans

*60 million. Hitler the atheist killed 60 million Europeans.

>>138609245
My problem with metaphorical interpretations is that there is no real indication that they are to be interpeted that way, also, it implies that God propagated a falsehood, even if in a superficial way.

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>>138609841

I have no reason to debate you. Nothing I say or do will ever change the way you think about religion. Just as whatever insults you hurl my way won't change my conviction about this matter.

Once more - why do you bother? Surely there must be more pressing issues for you to attend to?

>>138607725

and this brings me directly to my next point. God seemingly does everything he can to protect the wicked and kill the weak. give me one reason why someone like George Soros is alive and well while all 3 of my pets have been diagnosed with leukemia yesterday. why my mother has a brain disease. why defenseless fetuses are aborted. why children are abused by PRIESTS of all people. Don't waste your time because I know you don't have an answer. To any logical person it would appear that God is malicious, oblivious or powerless when none should be the case.

>>138608340
>>138608473
in the Bible there's like a hundred verses about God answering prayers and nothing saying he won't other than that "you will not test your God" thing or what he did with Job. most christianians say they have a personal relationship with God or at least say he answers their prayers. you guys don't? why did I as a child never see anything that was an answer to a prayer? christians say prayers work, but only pray for stuff that could happen without God's help.

>>138609841
Debate is not just about convincing others but also about testing one's own beliefs

>>138609866
>Hitler the atheist
He was Christian/Pagan

>>138604512
Mormons are not Christians.

>>138603549
I'm looking to kind of get back into Christianity after straying in my teenage years. Are there any good youtube channels of the bible/stories?

>>138608598
You'll never see that which is plain to most men until you humble yourself or are humbled by circumstances. Most atheists when broken see God but just curse him. Next time you find yourself in pieces ask for God's help and strength instead of cursing his name. Lacking humility is your key fault, and your false idols are the cause of your spiritual blindness.
>>138608277
Faithlet

>>138603549
There is no lake of fire to spend eternity within. This of course means the corrupt Jews will face the same fate, oblivion, as everyone else.
If you wish to see justice in this world, if you wish to see it molded into your ideal, you must take action.

>>138610062
He was just pragmatic. He knew that it was necessary to portray himself as such to get the support of the common religious people

>>138609815
>Thank you mom and dad for raising me to be a social outcast
Honestly I would rather have HPV than be a kissless handholdless virgin at the age of 20. I'm happy I wasn't raised by parents who taught me to act like an autist.

>>138609421
Once you're a Christian, you can try to that if you want, sure. You'll find that you're incapable of it, so don't get discouraged.

You'll be free to do as you see fit, as your heart convinces you is good, by the prompting of the Holy Spirit.

>>138603549
The idea of eternal life is truly horrifying, idk why any of you religious people try to use that as your main justification for being religious.
like fuck i want to live forever, sure maybe a thousand years would be cool, maybe 5000 would be alright who knows..
but i sure shit do know for sure infinite is a long fucking time and there is no one that wants to exist for that long.

also no god that condemns children because their parents wouldnt brain wash them from birth deserves none of my worship.
Your god is a vicious, self absorbed piece of shit by what i know of him.

>>138609468
Repent and be saved, papist. The church will not save you.

>>138609461
Christ’s teachings, to spread the word.

Too bad they in the state of general fear and hatred of all non-christian things, fell need to talk down all who refuse their so called 'Lord'.

>>138609470
It's just the way things were. And the way things are going to be again.

>>138609589
kek

there is no exit gate

>>138610216
God could easily just remove your sense of boredom

>>138609717
They didn't eat meat then. Ever seen a lion eat grass? Looks like that.

>>138610296

Sounds like a prison.

>>138609719
You're still a papist at heart; your "two" churches are still one pagan institution.

>>138610062
>Christian/Pagan

You understand those are mutually excluse? Hitler was 100% atheist in private, Cultured-Thug did a video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOf94gMs8k

>>138603549

Christianity is a branch of judaism

Source : Joseph Goebels

>>138610341
Then what did they have these claws and teeth for?

>>138610327
God can go fuck himself with a cricket bat wrapped in barbed wire for all i care. sadistic cunt would probably enjoy that.

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>>138603549
>Now, here's a question for you: After hearing of my passion about flying, would that ever make you want to get into an airplane with me in the cockpit? No way! I may value flying and have strong feelings about airplanes, but if I do not have the skills to fly a plane, you don't want to fly with me as your pilot.
>This is all common sense. No one would ever get into an airplane with someone who doesn't have the skills of flying. And no one would ever hop on the operating table with someone who didn't possess the skills of surgery. Yet in our age, many people jump into business partnerships, dating relationships, and even marriages without ever asking the fundamental question of virtue: Does this person have the virtue – the skills – necessary to live this relationship well? Does this person have patience, generosity, prudence, self-control, humility, discipline, etc.? These are just some of the many virtues we need to love others and live out our commitments to them.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/education/virtue-education/virtue-and-the-art-of-living.html

“They are happy whose life is blameless, who follow God’s law! They are happy who do His will, seeking Him with all their hearts, who never do anything evil but walk in His ways.” (Ps. 119:1-3)

>>138610216
>Your god is a vicious, self absorbed piece of shit by what i know of him.

Because it's a sand people demon

>>138609905
The bible is intended first to be understood literally. It it uses a metaphor, it's quite obvious. "I am the Bread of Life" does not mean that Jesus was made out of bread. And when the bible uses symbols, it explains the symbols.

>>138603549
I will spend eternity in nothingness while my energy radiates in to the ground and space.

I'm a christian but I am all for people believing what they believe as long as they aren't douchebags about it.

Cough online atheists cough holier than thou christian cough every muslim :^)

>>138603549
I can get behind christian values but just doing it because there is a supposed higher being telling us what to do seems very illogical. Instead I try to find logic to the rules being said.

tl;dr: I'm an atheist, but not a fedora lover. If I ever had to choose between Christians and atheists I'd support the former. Some atheists are crazy.

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>>138610375
>You're still a papist at heart
>still

Protestant education, lmao. I was never a papist. You need to snap out of Biblical literalism, or you'll end up losing your faith in Christ once you realize the world is older than 6,000 years.

From all the Christian countries, protestant ones are the most sinful, now you know why.

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>>138610502
Question....
do you people actually believe the pope talks to god?

>>138610712
nope

>>138604623
"Atheists are edgy", says the one who wears an image of an ancient Roman torture/execution device around his neck, while claiming that everyone who does not follow his religion will burn for all eternity.

>>138610502
"I am the Bread of Life" is an obvious instance of someone using a metaphor, but there is absolutely no indication or reason to believe that Genesis was meant purely as a metaphor. I can easily get behind a metaphor in addition to coherent and consistent literal content though, which however is not the case here.
Anyway, I hear people saying it's just metaphorical all the time, but nobody bothers to actually explain this metaphor. So what does Genesis actually mean to tell us?

>>138609679
Not really, his assumption of 'just' is based on his own mortal imperfection and tries to imagine himself God.
>>138609971
Why would God hear an atheists prayer?

>>138610712
The Pope is a Catholic thing

>>138610047

A debate is when 2 or more people exchange arguments. He hasn't done anything. He dodged what I said with 3 posts now, stating twice how he has no need to argue with me.
Why bother coming here then ? Because he's doing it obviously for no other reason than parading his special-snowflake-status in front of hundreds of random anonymous guys ?
His last post made that pretty clear. Worse, he's an obvious fedora disguising as """agnostic""" in order to troll people.

>inb4 it's wrong to debate people about how their positions are wrong and this is oppressive now

>>138610163
>Thank you mom and dad for raising me to be a social outcast
Slapping a TV or computer in front of them instead of actual parenting does that just fine, and isn't defined by religiousness of the parents.

Now, pumping them full of serums containing an unknown number of drugs, and maybe some xanax and electroshock therapy for the ensuing depression, concluded with irreparable mutilating between the legs, all because they're a boy that played with a barbie, or girl that played with trucks; now that's a 100% secular and atheist upbringing.

>>138603549
I don't see a practical reason to.

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Virgin Mary won't save you. She was as human as are you. Why are poles so idolatrous?

>>138610785
another question, do you guys think you are any less crazy than flat earth creationists?

because i think you are all in the same pool of crazy.

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>>138603675
>Most of them are

Lolno.

>>138607685
Says a man who reads the guidebook for being retarded.

>>138608410
>I don't want to claim to be an Atheist, because I can't disprove the notion of a God (or gods). It would be just as arrogant of me to claim that there is a God as it is to say that there isn't one.
I wish there were more people like you.
>"experts" frequently preach "we just can't be sure of anything. . . but there is no god"
Nigga we dont even fully understand how a bicycle works, and you're telling me our minds are capable of understanding omnipotence?

Give me five minutes with Bill Nye or Hawkings on television and I'll convert every atheist who is reasonable into agnostic at the very least.
>>138609239
>tfw you will never meet a good caucasian christian girl who wants to wait til marriage like you do
I'm literally moving to the Philippines.

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>>138603549
>Why aren't you christian, /pol/?


Christianity = cucked sandreligion. Essentially the worst of both worlds.

>>138603549
Because there's not enough lewds of her.

>>138610815
You are in the right here

>>138610885
Clearly every non-religious parent gives their children sex changes.

>>138611065

*tips menora*

>>138609354
Jesus took your punishment upon himself for sins already.

So, you don't need to be punished, but, there's a quid pro quo here that must be satisfied.

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>>138603549
I really can't afford to be cucktian, when my ancestors were the most hardcore bagans in yurop.

>>138610761
I wasn't an atheist when I prayed (it's in the first post). I was a child. I believed in God and the Bible like I believed in anything on earth. I had no doubts.

>>138609443

I unironically don't want to be in heaven with a faggot like you.

>>138607493

He is from prehistory and survived over 2000 years. As long as the Irish people exist and respect their history then he will exist.

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>>138611161

>>138611186
Damn you Jesus I committed crimes and I expect to be punished for them you fucker.

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>>138611104
>be christian
>want to wait to marriage
>still fap
>playing strip poker night at the inventory
>unlock nagisa's ending
>this happens
There is definately not enough honeymoon lewds, period.

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>>138605376

Even if god existed, you have the burden of proof that only 1 god exists and that it's the semitic one.

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>>138605997

Deus Vult, brother.

I'm agnostic. I feel that there's a small chance of each religion being true, but I also believe that there's a significant possibility that whatever is "out there" doesn't match any religion that humanity has come up with. There's also a chance of there not being any gods or afterlife at all, but I'm just a human, so I don't feel I'm in any position to claim definite knowledge of outside our reality.

(Sorry if this post is a complete ramble. I got no sleep last night).

>>138607887
Not really I do it because I think it is fun and because I enjoy it. I was a student of Mircea Eliade and it came naturally to me

>>138611563
Disgusting image anon
You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such immature mockery

>>138611065
>Christ chan Guro
I didn't know I wanted this in life.
Kindly post more.

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>>138611675

>>138603549
Because I'm a Buddhist.

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>>138611675
I will post more mature imagery.

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>>138611938
christcuck threads always make me sick. Christ never helped anyone, he is dead and buried. He didn't resurrect.

>>138611938
I would like to hear why

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>>138611883
>>138611957
(You) (You)

>>138611433
You've already got that.

>>138612092
>Giving (You)s to pictures being posted specifically to piss you off

Whatever happened to "Don't feed the trolls"?

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Religion threads don't belong in pol

perfectly good /his chan

>>138612090
Why I'm Buddhist? Because the underlying ontology of Buddhism (Madhyamaka) makes more sense than the Christian theistic one.

To put it in simple terms, the idea that reality has no underlying substrate/substance but is at its core "emptiness" (careful though emptiness is NOT nothingness) - makes more sense to me than that a personal being is creating the world on purpose and testing us in various ways.

>>138609965
Take a longer view. If you believe in eternal justice, believe in God, the judge of all things.

>>138610132
Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

>>138610216
Eternal torment is also a thing. So choose which you would rather have. Eternal bliss, or eternal torment.

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>>138612092
Nothing wrong with defiling Christian women

>>138610342
Prisons have exit gates. Once you're in, you're in. And then you can go anywhere you'd like in the multiverse.

There's not much said about heaven in the bible, only that it's better than anything you can possibly imagine.

>>138610440
Ripping and tearing bushes.

>>138610376
Hitler was an outspoken Catholic, but only an Atheist would have made his choices.
>>138611280
>i had no doubts
So bad things happened? You prayed. nothing changed. become atheist. So you werent in fact a true believer then. Would you life have taken this exact arc if God had answered right then? What is the choice or opportunity you have now because he didnt answer?

Tragedy strikes us all, but many times and in ways you may not see, each tragedy springs forth ten miracles.

Ever hear of Sarah Harmening?
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/06/funeral_set_for_sarah_harmenin.html
Now youve heard of her. Imagine her parents tragedy, now imagine the millions who now know her story and the faith that it's spread. Unseen miracles. Some prayers are best unanswered.

>>138603549
It's a communist religion.

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>>138612488

>>138610694
Two legs on the same statue. Rome ruled from the west for a thousand years, and from the east for a thousand years. Same empire. Same pagan religion.

And your pope has already healed the "schism" that you people are so fond of.

>>138612340
Interesting. Have you read about Plato's theory of the forms? And if yes, what are your thoughts on it? As much as I disagree, I am personally fascinated by the buddhist worldview..

>>138610712
No. He is in communication with the god of this world, satan.

>>138610756
Which is why you read Genesis as literal.

>>138610956
Pagans gotta do what pagans gotta do. And one of those things is to worship mother earth.

>>138611007
We both have a short life, and an eternal afterlife. I have already made sure where I am going to spend eternity.

You're not even sure you're an eternal being yet.

I'd say your spiritual knowledge is what is retarded here, not people who took God up on His offer.

>>138612857
The logic of reading something as metaphorical everytime it is proven wrong seems dodgy to me, to be frank.

>>138611317
Then don't cry when you get what you want.

>>138612055
Do you think your beliefs change events in the past?

>>138612340
Why do Buddhists invite demons to possess them?

>>138612785
It's the same person who made the heavens and the earth saying there's also a hell. A literal lake of fire.

Where unbelievers go.

>>138612971
Which is why the bible is intended to be read literally......

>>138613078
Same as Hindus. They experience the numinous while at the same time denying that evil exists. Very odd people.

>>138605376
>Did you ask for some shit and didn't get it?

this is the reason 99% of ppl turn to atheism believe it or not, i knew atheists who admitted to this after being cornered. Proof is in the fact that they don't just disregard God, they also hate him and think they are smarter than Christians.

>>138612829
Are you a Muslim?
Yes, I know of Plato's theory. Do you know of Aristotle's critique of Plato? (or Plato's OWN critique of his own theory in "Parmenides"? Parmenides is a fantastic Platonic dialogue)

Plato was actually aware of the problems with his theory.

To put it in simple terms, you ask yourself does the idea of "equality" have a form? The Idea of Equality (or the Form of Equality) - then you ask does Difference, too, have a form?

And then you ask, is the Form of Equality EQUAL or DIFFERENT to the Form of Difference?

ok let's say you say "different" - does THIS difference also have a Form, and is this form the same or not the same as the difference between non-forms?

if it's different, then you have infinite regression because you'll need to create infinite forms of difference

if not, then you have a contradiction, too, because the difference on the level of appearances cannot be the same as the difference on the level of forms, or else you lose the difference between appearances and forms

>>138613299
I've found the same thing; a vitriolic hatred for someone they claim does not exist.

Those who ask "Why is there such bad atrocities in the world, why is there dying and starving children, murder, etc." God gave us free will and we choose to let these things happen. Instead of spending money on ourselves and resources for dumbass Marvel movies that cost billions of dollars just for meaningless entertainment, we could have used that money to save the world and punish folks who commit the crimes. But MARVEL IS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN FEEDING STARVING KIDS.

>>138613371
Simply a proof that everything is unique.

>>138613222
Because evil doesn't exist in their religions.

Fucking retards Hinduism and Buddhism which is Hindu lite are the truth.

Destroy the ego.

>>138613185
My bad. I am still tired and have this fatigue. Anyway, you have to weigh out the evidence that speaks against the bible and the evidence that speaks for it. Let's look at it. On one hand, we have a bunch of eye-witnesses from a historical document and on the other hand we have centuries of empiricism and rationalism, which have brought forth an extremely consistent view of many aspects of the world.

>>138612971
It's always fascinating when someone judges God based on their imagined ideal of perfection and justice that doesnt exist except inside their consciousness and imagination which God created. Fascinating.

>>138613222
we do not deny that evil exists... we only deny that it exists "in itself" - in other words ,that it has self-existence... we think "evil", like any other thing, depends on causes and conditions and is ultimately without inherent existence (it is ontologically ambiguous )

>>138613078
can you be more specific? what are you referring to?

>sandnigger religion
No fucking thanks.

>>138613140
It isn't. It was written by the hands of men who at best sought to keep the wild, ruthless men of the world under some form of control and, at worst, sought to subjugate the local populace. Given the overbearing heat of the desert, as well as the lack of water, they probably weren't well of mind at the time as well.
In addition, you sight this book as proof something divine exists. No arguments for it or against me, no discourse or theorizing, you just plucked it strait from the Bible and expect it to be good enough.
So yeah, it's still fucking nothing.

>>138613485
Hindus know many of their 330,000,000 "gods" are actually demons. They just don't seem to care, or seem to think they can avoid them.

>>138613497
I have a simpler test.

The bible has always been proven right.
Science has always been proven wrong.

Which seems the more credible?

>>138613537
Then you have never encountered a demon.

So, what will you, pagans, atheists, agnostics, secularists, and humanists, do, if someone asks you to convert to a sandnigger religion, or else, have a sharp object passed between you chin and your shoulders?

>>138613434
The statement "Everything is unique" is contradictory, too, because if everything is unique, everything is THE SAME in its uniqueness. So everything is absolutely non-unique in being unique.

It sounds like wordplay but it is actually important to think this through - if you want to find the fundamental truth.,

>>138613612
The bible was written by about 40 men over 1500 years, and the 66 books tell the story of the world from beginning to end, which is something only God can do. 30% of the bible is prophetic, and bible prophecy comes true 100% of the time. The bible is the only holy book on the planet as the 40 men were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, who lived within them and brought everything to their remembrance.

There is nothing like it.

>>138613685
I am not saying demons don't exist. I am saying they do not have inherent existence. I do not have inherent existence, either. Nothing does.

>>138613744
There is no quality "same in uniqueness" as there is no meaning to the phrase "very unique".

>>138613371
Yes I am a muslim, my views however differ quiite a bit from mainstream islam as I reject the entire hadith corpus, which for the most part is the fundament of traditional islam.
I am currently reading up on the forms and plan on reading different critiques of it. You certainly have a good objection there, I will contemplate about it.

>>138613689
Kill the sandnigger

>>138613785
>There is nothing like it.
How many Mahayana Sutras have you read to say "there is nothing like it"?

>>138613799
I just repeat my former post. You have never met a demon. When and if you do, you will realize that they are evil personified, and inherently existant.

>>138603549
>"WHY ARENT YOU A LOVING KEKSTAIN LIKE US? DO YOU WANT OUR DARK LORD TO HURT YOU FOR ETERNITY?"
Man, you cuckstains are seriously deluded

>>138613632
Because they don't believe in fixed good and bad.

Meaning depending on an actions effect on Karma - it could be deemed good while in maya or illusion it is actually a bad thing.

> if murdering your friend destroys your ego it is considered good in Hinduism.

>>138603549

Because I am comfortable with the fact that the most realistic outcome is that it is the same before life as after. I didn't exist 30 years ago, and I won't 300 years from now. Any other though on the subject is unrealistic.

>>138613905
None of them.
All of them.
Does it matter? They don't claim to be divinely inspired, and they're not prophetic in nature, thus self-proving.

>>138613825
If I say object A is unique. And if I say object B is unique.
1) Is it true to say they are BOTH unique?
2) is it true to say that when it comes to uniqueness, they are the SAME (ie. they are both unique?)
3) is it true then to say that when it comes to uniqueness, they're not unique (because they're both identically unique)?

>>138613504
But thats not what I am doing. I am not judging perceptions of perfection or justice or morality, but simply question the truthfulness of the biblical claims about the history of our planet and the history of life in particular.

>>138608798
>>138608986
How the hell can you expect me to join your religion when you can't even agree on which little branch of your religion is the true one?

>>138613865
>I reject the entire hadith corpus,
Isn't that what Wahhabis do?

>>138614025
You deny your very nature. It must create some sort of cognitive dissonance in you. It does not follow that your non-existence prior to your creation is the same as your eternal existence once created.

>>138613785
>The bible was written by about 40 men over 1500 years, and the 66 books tell the story of the world from beginning to end, which is something only God can do.
Or anyone who reads the previous books and sought to pick up where they left off. Or a group who sought to censor and leave out several parts of it, perhaps as a method of consistency or for an ulterior motive. Either way is possible and considerably more likely.
>And bible prophecy comes true 100% of the time.
Wrong. There have been several instances when the Bible 's prophecies haven't come true.
>There is nothing like it.
Except for the Koran, among other various holy books.

>>138613877
So, friend, you can never surrender to the sandniggers.

>>138614052
Again, there is no meaning in "uniquely the same".

>>138613910
>and inherently existant.
Did God create demons or are they independent from God?

>>138603549
The problem is humanism. Humanism demoted Christianity from a way of life leading to salvation to a way of culture leading to social acceptance.

>>138614092
It's ponderous, isn't it?

It gets less ponderous when you stick to what the bible says, and not to what men say about what the bible (doesn't) say.

>>138613299
Their lives and their loved ones were sorted and sifted through according to his will. We all must walk the path, rebelling against God's will for you just cascades pain further down the line to others.
>>138613382
>vitriolic hatred
So true. These deniers of Christ are no different than jews, blasphemizing with spit flying out of their mouth. This is the feral reprobated mind taking over.

>>138614157
It's still predicting the future, and we have manuscripts that are 1900 years old. So, no.

>>138614097
No, it's the opposite actually, wahhabis put extremely great emphasis on hadith literature. One of the affiliated sects is even called "Ahle Hadith". A wahhabi would declare rejectors of the hadith an apostate, no doubt.

>>138614092
LOL good one

>>138614164
Demons created themselves, in that, they were angelic brings who went over to the dark side.

>>138614030
>They don't claim to be divinely inspired
They claim to be written by an omniscient intelligence (the Tathagata), which is basically the same thing.

>and they're not prophetic in nature
The Lotus Sutra gives many prophecies. The Lankavatara Sutra prophesizes the birth of Nagarjuna, the philosopher. There are countless of examples.

>>138614164
God created angels. God put one angel in charge over all the rest of them, and he was the one who led the assembly of the angels, and he is the one who led the worship of God. He stood before the throne of God. He was the second highest being in existence.

Not good enough. He wanted to be the first; he wanted to be worshiped like God.

So the angel God created, through pride and through a failed coup and rebellion against God, turned himself into the devil. And all of the angels under his direct authority that were in his rebellion, 1/3 of the heavenly host, became demons under his authority.

>>138614116

It does follow, total brain death will be the same as not having one, which I did not have one before I was born. As far as suggesting my "creation" who exactly do you think created everyone?

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>>138613064
Not a belief, all men bleed and die. Jesus bled and died.

If you are talking about a metaphorical death then sure but other than that Jesus is dead just like you and I will die.

>>138603549

Christianity is a heteronornative cis male dominated patriarchal religion. Why would I support that? It's pure bigotry and hate.

>>138614328

"A philosopher will be born."

Your threshold for what is a prophecy is very low.

>>138614405
Unless you were created to live with God forever, or failing that, to be eternally tormented.

Unless that.

And any chance of that negative infinite outcome needs serious consideration.

>>138614423
Jesus is not dead, heretic. He was resurrected.

>>138603549
I'm not superstitious.

>>138614324
OK, this is how a Buddhist would prove demons are empty and not inherently existing:

1) demons are self-created because they are angels who went over to the dark side

2) but their existence depends on them not-being-angels anymore. depends on what they negated. the negated angelic reality

3) and that angelic reality depends on God who created them

so demons' existence depends on the non-demonic, and so "demon" lacks inherent existence and it's dependently-arisen and thus empty

(by empty we do not mean non-existent)

>>138614423
Jesus bodily rose on the third day, the Feast of First Fruits, and appeared to hundreds of people for 40 days afterwards before ascending, bodily, into heaven.

Whether you believe it, or not.

>>138614549
Where is your evidence then?

>>138612728
>you lost faith because something bad happened
kek

nothing tragic ever happened to me. I believed God's real as much I believe the sky is blue. I prayed for years, many times a day for simple things. I thanked God, repented my sins and asked him for simple stuff. but after years of no answers I might as well be talking to a wall. prayers don't change a thing

>>138614590
sure maybe he went to heaven,m just like me and you will go. Who cares though that is in the after life?

>>138603549
Because Jesus don't have super powers?

>>138614254
Still failing to be 100%, or even 90% accurate, so unreliable at best and coincidence at worst. Certainly shines doubt on it's supposed infallibility.

>>138614569
Not negated, lost. They lost their first estate, they lost their homes, they were cast to the earth, and they know one day they will be confined forever in a lake of fire made specifically for them, to torment them forever.

>>138614462
yes sorry I wasn't precise enough
1) it says a philosopher will be born
2) it gives a name that is very similar to that person's real name
3) it says what he will do and work on (what his books will be about)

>>138614522

ANY chance.
Well consider this.
I am god, if you don't come clean my house for me every day and pay to do so, I will send you off to eternal torment after you die.
Better take it seriously, that's a pretty negative outcome.

>>138613865
You blaspheme God, you will stand condemned. You act as the jew in your denial.
>>138614061
That is what you do. You've transformed yourself into a jew.

>>138614663
I made sure I am going to heaven.

Your posts do not sound like someone sure they are going to heaven.

>>138614052
no, it means they share 1 property and that property is their dissimilarity to any other object

uniqueness doesn't imply absence of shared properties but rather a one-of-a-kind combination of properties

>>138614190
The way you live doesn't have anything to do with salvation.

Romans 10: 9-10
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

>>138614462
>Christians constantly talk of how the new testament predicted Jesus
>Pretty much just said a messiah will come from the house of David

>>138614701
OK so tell me about your meetings with the demons
how did you encounter them?

>>138603549
Their is 0 evidence and i'm not going to worship any Jew

>>138614597

Well obviously the evidence is the bible, which totally says that everything it says is true, so it must be. Plus gawd and such.

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>>138614757
Aww anon, why can't I go to heaven bro?

>>138604479
Toward Mother Teresa's death she is quoted as saying
>Where is my faith? Even deep down ... there is nothing but emptiness and darkness ... If there be God—please forgive me. When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul.

>>138614683
It's not failing to be 100% precise and accurate at all. Just as the bible prophesied, Zion was born in one day, and her children were citizens that very same day. May 14, 1948.

Out of the dead bones, out of the holocaust, that was also prophesied in the very same prophecy.

And thriving and flourishing like a rose in the desert, again, from that same prophecy.

Nobody can see the end from the beginning except for God. Nostradamus is 8% correct and people still think he was a seer. Even though he confessed to consorting with demons of divination.

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>>138614856
have a doge fruit xD

>>138614784
>"uniqueness doesn't imply absence of shared properties"

this directly contradicts the dictionary definition of uniqueness:

>the quality of being the only one of its kind.

>>138614324
>God is omnipotent
>Allows angels to fall
What the fuck is the point of humans if angels already have free will?

>>138614718
See, "very similar" would get the prophet of God killed on the spot with heavy rocks thrown at him by an angry mob who thought he was a prophet.

>>138614938

This will haunt my nightmares for the rest of time.......

>>138614732
Zero is not "any chance".

>>138614835
Which Jesus did. Born of a virgin, in the City of Bethlehem, which Jesus did. Which Jesus could arrange, as he is God.