Is the federation communist? They say they don't use money

>>138548495
Yes, but it'll never happen. Corporations won't give up their power that easily.

In the Star Trek universe replicators can create almost anything, it's doubtful that humans will ever achieve something like that.

>>138548495

It's space communism, so pure fantasy

They were incredibly corrupt. Every admiral they ever showed would lie, cheat, steal, betray, make deals that screwed over entire planets for the "greater good", and generally thought of themselves as superior to the common people.
So yeah, communist.

>>138548771
True but imagine a scenario where machines can water and harvest crops, deliver them to a supermarket with self checkout, and we as consumers would have self driving cars built by machines from resources extracted by other machines, does it really sound that far off? There would be 0 cost involved in feeding a population. Perhaps the government should own this and make Food free, and why stop there etc..

Yes it is, they work for free and for hobby, such that someone like Riker lives like an over emotional rock star. You know it's communism because people aren't explicitly reimbursed for their time or it's expected they enjoy their work and enjoy the benefits, like replicators and holodecks.

>>138548649
Who do you think corporations are? Even now middle and lower management almost always hate their companies enough to wilfully do bad jobs.

Even something like affirmative action, do you think it's in the corporation's best interest to ignore a well qualified man for a less qualified woman? Or do you think this is something that happens, a lot of the time, without permission from their higher ups?

Capitalism is failing because Marxist thought is rising.

>>138548495
Essentially, yes, but it exists in a universe without any real economy from the production of goods since everything can be provided by replicators (albeit, they need dilithium for this, and therefore there is still one industry) and therefore is not subject to famine or want for much of anything. Given that, humanity's only goal becomes the attainment of perfection of roles through individual accomplishments that benefit society.

It's also post racial identity because of the eugenics war.

But it's a fictional universe because communism only works in fiction.

Eventually it will come to UBI, if we don't destroy ourselves first.

>>138548495
They can make matter out of energy.

No need for money when you can just replicate stuff.

>>138548495
>money is contantly mentioned in ToS
>Kirk is a Christian

ToS is Space National Capitalism

>>138549515
I've seen all the communism memes, but I still think all these communist countries are just facsimiles of the Soviet Union, a twisted blueprint of communism used as a veil for despotism. We've seen capitalism fail in spectacular ways when you get self serving corrupt leaders in power.

>>138548495
Money is worthless because replicators exist.
Instant infinite inflation.
Resource scarcity is obsolete and destroys the dynamics of supply and demand.

Thus, you get people doing work not because they have to, but for the ultimate reason, because if they don't, life gets fucking b o r i n g .

>>138550108
See this post
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>>138550405
If we achieve this level of technology I suspect social prestige will become the new currency..

>>138548495
In a tl;dr version, economy is about how we get stuff done and how it goes from producers to consumers. With replicators, I'm not even sure it is still an economy. It's more a post-economic world than a communist one.

>>138548495
the federation is pragmatist
in a post scarcity world there is no need for currency or wealth, only power and the furtherance of ones own race (human race in this example)
the federation spreads their values almost ruthlessly throughout the galaxy through means of force
section 31 ensures the victory of the federation through means that the federation itself would deem immoral and opposed to accepted ideals

also something of note:
it was necessary for a world wide nuclear war and after that a eugenics war for this situation to come into fruition so anyone alive currently should hope we don't live in a star trek universe timeline

>>138550723
True, but in some ways it's kind of a spectrum, even with replicators there would still be a need for services like law enforcement, counciling etc. So at what point do we decide to flip the switch and abolish economy? another poster mentioned UBI so I guess that's one solution.

>>138548495

earth is basically a post scarcity society by the 23rd century. They can make unlimited amounts of food and stuff out of the basic DNA w/e needed, making it meaningless to charge money for it. Of course people will then be able to concentrate on having actual fulfillment in their lives. Whether through space exploration, (joining the federation) or some other job/task/project. What I don't get is in like DS9 for example, Captain Benjamin Sisko's dad runs a creole restaurant, but why would anyone be a waiter, or bus boy? There is no compensation, they never really go into how that works for example.

>>138548495
>Is the federation communist?

No.

Post-scarcity liberalism.

Borg are Communists.

>>138548495
Post scarcity fascism

>>138548495
Actually, that was a misunderstanding based on a joke about Kirk not having any cash in Star Trek IV.

>>138548495
It's a post-scarcity economy. Most laws of economics no longer apply "domestically" but there are still units of currency and the trade of precious metals in interstellar commerce, however.

>>138553010
Meant to expand on this. In TOS they explicitly mentioned the Enterprise being a "Billion Credit Starship".

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>>138548495
No you fucktard it's the military. Christ, how can you people not see that. Star Fleet is the pointy end of the stick regardless of how much "prime directive" horse-crap they throw in there.

>>138553295
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>>138548495
> Military organization with vast political power
> That studies other races and compares and contrasts as a central fixation
> With a prime directive not to influence the other race and denature it.
> Fights the forced collectivist (Cubist even) Borg as an abhorrent denaturing of humanoids.
> Technocratic not democratic
> Payed in credits per unit of work
> Each race in the organization has a homeworld and talks about their culture and race related issues and practices.
> Not such thing as pop, every cultural expression is "high culture" and very much identity related
> Sly references to Jewish money fixations
Nope they are MORE like Nazis but actually just realists. There is a lot of UN and Commie shit in there too. But only because we associate too much with communists and the UN was the United NATIONS back then.

Star Trek is the future we could have had if not for subsidising mindless niggertry. You give into barbarism and you get a barbaric outcome.

>>138553289
Why do niggers always end up talking about dick so much?

>>138552394
> What I don't get is in like DS9 for example, Captain Benjamin Sisko's dad runs a creole restaurant, but why would anyone be a waiter, or bus boy? There is no compensation, they never really go into how that works for example.
That is the beauty of it and what Americans should be fighting for as what OP describes happens to the economy. esp if you are a fan of Jefferson. Local community and strong institutions.
You essentially have these self functioning cultures of people just living their lives and keeping physically/mentally active and from that you get a pool of people from which the talented enter institutions. There is no real desperate need to jump for those positions out of a sense of feeling alienated or desperate. It is done by merit and they are strict about quality control.

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>>138549437
It is entire possible that the day will come when machines are completely self sufficient and perform all tasks that are required for mankind to survive...but chances are that we will end up like the humans in Wall-e instead of the humans in Star Trek if that ever happens...and that is no way to live.

>>138552438
I agree with this. You cannot fully compare the systems we use now with the systems in Star Trek, every real system that currently exists is based on the fact that there is resource scarcity. If post scarcity is ever achieved new systems will have to be developed, there is no doubt that the new systems will share some commonalities with the systems of old...but they will never be truly comparable. What works in a post scarcity society will not work in a scarcity society and vice versa. The options of government for a post scarcity society will without a doubt be as varied as the systems present today, and there will be systems that work better than others.