Why are so many people here hostile against communism, it only

>>138367855
I don't want you to melt my spoons and feed me glass.

>>138367855
post this girls puffy pusy

>>138367855
>individuality in communism
what did he mean by this?

how is that a good thing

>>138367855
>it only wants to be able to let the individual work freely according to his abilities without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour.

>>138367855
Shut the fuck up retarded faggot

>>138367855
Do you plan on working a shit job for $15 an hour your whole life?

>>138367855
i would ejaculate in her communist manifesto

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It is not sufficient just to criticise Political Correctness. It tolerates a certain amount of
criticism, even gentle mocking. It does so through no genuine tolerance for other points
of view, but in order to disarm its opponents, to let itself seem less menacing than it is.
The cultural Marxists do not yet have total power, and they are too wise to appear
totalitarian until their victory is assured.

https://publicintelligence.net/anders-behring-breiviks-complete-manifesto-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence/

>>138367855
Fuck off marxist vermin.

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>>138368070
In the long run, the most direct method of defeating the inquisitors of political
correctness is simply to stand up to them. Individual acts of defiance often entail serious
risks: students can face star-chamber proceedings that are humiliating and demoralising
while faculty can lose their bids to receive tenure. But every act of resistance causes a
ripple, encouraging others to stand up to ideological intimidation.

>>138367855
I'd seize her means of reproduction if you know what I mean

>>138367855

Because only a retard that doesn't understand business and economics supports it. Capitalist are not bad. We need someone to take risk and accept losses.

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>>138367855
Because, like National Socialism it's gayer than a three dollar bill. Only fags follow radical politics.

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>>138368144
>her

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>>138367855
GTFO commie scum

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>>138368036

DO NOT FALL FOR THE PORCELAIN JEW

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>>138367855
>Communism moves all profits and control of assets to the government
>The government is making money from the workers, all the while paying them equally
>Somehow this isn't corporatism disguised as "communism"
Okay, Rockefeller

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>>138368144
>seize her means of reproduction
like castrating every Marxist male and hang every female Marxist. Yep lets do that

>>138367855
Everyone is able to work freely according to his abilities without any need for communism.
But if they need some equipment or materials for their work that they do not own themselves they can enter into voluntary agreement with the owner or take these by force. The first is free market, the second is communism.

>>138368136
Who is that guy in ops pic and what did he do?

>>138368249
Jess is a leftist you know, unlike her close minded sister

>>138367855
Because utopian ideologies require some kind of authority to enforce, which means you just made a group that must be above the people and not answerable to them. Without that group, leaving all the power to the people, you just end up with most telling you to fuck off when you try to take what's theirs.

1. Pragmatism and realism > idealism
2. Historically it has never worked
3. Trading and private property are fundamentally ingrained in peoples' minds and it's unreasonable and unrealistic to expect people to give these things up
4. Force must be used to get people to go along with the ridiculous ideas of communism. It is inherently fascistic.

>>138367855
you want to enslave me and steal my shit

>>138367855

It's social programming showing ,op.

>>138367855
I have no problem with people buying land and setting up a commune, like what happen in the 60's. It might actually be feasible since many modern communists have rich baby boomer parents. Its the seizing the means of production and creating a hostile, Orwellian state that's bad.

>>138368318
Yeah, you still have to pay taxes to maintain a decent amount of public infrastructure. There isn't really a way around that.

>>138367855
No thanks, I like eating food

>>138368481
But what if that authority enforced what only made sense? Akin the the levels of freedom you have now

>>138367855
Oh my god, you're literally retarded. Why are you not killing yourself right now?

>>138367855
Communism is a failure not only in practice but in theory. Taking away access to individual success by spreading out all of your achievements into the lives of those who didn't do the work kills creativity and drive. You'll understand when you turn 23.

>>138367855
nigger plz

>>138367855
Even though I am very austere I like to own the few things that I've got.

Secondly, if you give the means of production to the state, who's going to rule? Is it going to be a good person? Because, according to most communists, there hasn't been any true communism because there hasn't been good communist leaders so... Whos is it gonna be this time? Is it going to be the flip of a coin with a chance to have yet another tyrant that will starve its people to death? Or do you have the right candidate somewhere? Can we meet him alredy?

>>138367855
Explain to me how communism works long term without it going to shit.

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>>138368436
READ (at least the first chapter) of the book of St. Anders Breivik

https://publicintelligence.net/anders-behring-breiviks-complete-manifesto-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence/

Because I grew up in a Communist shit hole and earned a degree from a Marxist university. I'm not some idiot middle class white liberal who thinks Communism is cool. I LIVED IT. We couldn't buy meat, all the vegetables were old, and fresh fruit was extremely rare....on a tropical island. Similarly, even though we are on a fucking ISLAND, there is no seafood because we couldn't afford gas for the fishing fleet, which has been docked since the 1990s. Any group more than ten people needs government permission to meet. Revoutionary council's are on every street and you need their permission to do anything substantial. Meanwhile despite the President's talk about anti-imperialism, the Amerkcans own a slice of our island and the government doesn't even protest. The whole system is a fucking joke. You have no idea how ghastly Communist countries can be. When you walk the streets, and it looks like a fucking warzone, and doctors/engineers make $30/month while criminals live like kings, and you have no opportunity........YOU FUCKING IDIOTS PISS ME OFF.

>>138367855
>Why
Maybe all the millions of abused, exploited people who died in poverty because of it

>>138367906
>lmao fpbp
: (

>>138367855
I would embrace Stalin for her if she were my qt gf.
By denying pussy from us the alt-left is just radicalizing us even more.

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>>138368903
This. Look, if a system has failed every time it's been tried, don't you think it's fundamentally flawed? I mean, I can understand someone being a communist in an ironic sense (I often call myself a libertarian to be ironic myself) but at the end of the day, we have to do what's correct, and communism is a failed solution. UBI will solve everything though, so all of you shut the fuck up already. You'll get your gibs in the end.

>>138367855
>"HAY GUISE, THIS IS MY PEE PEE POO POO ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION!!! 1 1
1!1 XDX DXDD"

Get out

>>138367855
idk but that pic of the commie whore you posted. id rape and cum in all of her holes. dont givea fuck how young she is. ill fuck her untilshe talks stupid

>>138368467
Prove it

>>138367855

Neck yourself prick.

>it only wants to be able to let the individual work freely according to his abilities

I am already doing that

>without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour

And I am getting paid for my hard labor.

You promise same shit but in way worse conditions

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>>138367855
Stop using Ulyana for your fucking bait and shitposting, you nigger jew.

>>138369475
it is a boy.

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>>138369417
your lies don't work

The parallels between the old, economic Marxism and cultural Marxism are evident.
Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, shares with classical Marxism the vision of a
“classless society,” i.e., a society not merely of equal opportunity, but equal condition.
Since that vision contradicts human nature – because people are different, they end up
unequal, regardless of the starting point – society will not accord with it unless forced.
So, under both variants of Marxism, it is forced. This is the first major parallel between
classical and cultural Marxism: both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of
Political Correctness can be seen on campuses where “PC” has taken over the college:
freedom of speech, of the press, and even of thought are all eliminated.

The second major parallel is that both classical, economic Marxism and cultural Marxism
have single-factor explanations of history. Classical Marxism argues that all of history
was determined by ownership of the means of production. Cultural Marxism says that
history is wholly explained by which groups – defined by sex, race, religion and sexual
normality or abnormality – have power over which other groups.

The third parallel is that both varieties of Marxism declare certain groups virtuous and
others evil a priori, that is, without regard for the actual behaviour of individuals.
Classical Marxism defines workers and peasants as virtuous and the bourgeoisie (the
middle class) and other owners of capital as evil. Cultural Marxism defines all minorities,
what they see as the victims; Muslims, Feminist women, homosexuals and some
additional minority groups as virtuous and they view ethnic Christian European men as
evil. (Cultural Marxism does not recognise the existence of non-Feminist women, and
defines Muslims, Asians and Africans who reject Political Correctness as evil, just like
native Christian or even atheist Europeans

>>138367855
I wish that were the case, but I don't want to be killed because I'm suspected to want to own my own land or something like that, men want to be free - communism isn't the way fowards - the Venus Project is closer to what I'd want

>>138369591
good post

Because if you simply look at both the death toll in the 20th century, Communism is second only to Ideology with 94 million dead. If you look into the last ten former and current Communist countries, you would also see nothing but famine, civil war, dictatorship, or some combination of the three.

It just doesn't work as well as Capitalism.

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>>138367855
Are you light in the head?

This is already what happens you idiot.
Nobody is forcing you to go to work in the US.
In the real world, you enter into a contract with your employer. He says I have this work, I can pay you this for this work. You say ok or fuck that I can do better.
Communism actually forces you to do work that you don't want to do.

>>138367855
1. Communism in practice has never been this, but a bunch of corrupt governments controlling the economy for their benefit. This has led to genocide, famine, and despair in many of the countries it has been practiced in.
2. Communism removes the culture of a nation in order to create a global system that is completely alien to what they are used to. Such a drastic change would never be supported by the majority of the people and will lead to the next topic.
3. Every communist society has been heavily authoritarian in implementing their ideology. Every dissenter is removed, every person who goes against the grain is removed. There is no personal freedom, and in today's individualized world, it is much harder to get people collectively come together, throw away their individuality, and act as a hive like Marx calls for.
4. Most people realize it cannot happen until we reach a point where resources are no longer a scarce commodity. To each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a great slogan, but it doesn't work when there aren't enough resources for everyone to have what will truly make them happy. Being the same as everyone else will not make them happy either, especially today where everyone has to stand out and be different from the mold. You're never going to get people to agree to that.
5. People are inherently greedy and selfish. It is human nature. You can meme it all you want, you make fun of it all you want, but it doesn't make it false. They'll talk the talk about equality, love, and peace, but when directly interferes with their well-being, that all flies out the window.

>>138367855
Because the individual is retarded

>>138369475

That's a bloke. Sorry anon.

>>138367855
Most people here love the economic parts of communism, but they don't like the internationalism and they can't get laid so they dislike social leftism.

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>>138370202
When addressing the general public, advocates of Political Correctness – or cultural
Marxism, to give it its true name – present their beliefs attractively. It’s all just a matter
of being “sensitive” to other people, they say. They use words such as “tolerance” and
“diversity,” asking, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

The reality is different. Political Correctness is not at all about “being nice,” unless one
thinks gulags are nice places. Political Correctness is Marxism, with all that implies: loss
of freedom of expression, thought control, inversion of the traditional social order, and,
ultimately, a totalitarian state. If anything, the cultural Marxism created by the Frankfurt
School is more horrifying than the old, economic Marxism that ruined Russia. At least the
economic Marxists did not exalt sexual perversion and attempt to create a matriarchy, as
the Frankfurt School and its descendants have done.

This short essay has sought to show one critical linkage, that between classical Marxism
and the ingredients of the “cultural revolution” that broke out in Western Europe in the
1960s. Of course, the action does not stop in the ‘60s; the workings of the Frankfurt
School are yet very much with us, especially in the field of education. That topic, and
other present-day effects of Frankfurt School thinking, will be further analysed.

>https://publicintelligence.net/anders-behring-breiviks-complete-manifesto-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence/

>>138369892
Communism was never reached. For all we know every applied Marxist ideology never got it right. We need to write a new and better one.

>>138369492
Go on her Instagram and twitter.

Quick question, why do commies always bang on about seizing the means of production? Can't they create their own?

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>>138370454
>The reality is different. Political Correctness is not at all about “being nice,” unless one
>thinks gulags are nice places. Political Correctness is Marxism, with all that implies: loss
>of freedom of expression, thought control, inversion of the traditional social order, and,
>ultimately, a totalitarian state

>>138370513
Its about who owns capital. Seizing it for the people.

>Why are so many people here hostile against communism

Because they've studied history. Go wear your commie shirt in a former USSR country, tell me how it goes.

>>138370512
what's her twitter handle?

>>138370603
Do yourself a favour and actually read into Marxism and Communism. Wikipedia will do

>>138367855
It's jewish.

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>>138370615

However, the Red Army was defeated by Polish forces at the battle of the Vistula in 1920.
The Spartacist, Bavarian Soviet and Bela Kun governments all failed to gain widespread
support from the workers and after a brief time they were all overthrown. These events
created a quandary for the Marxist revolutionaries in Europe. Under Marxist economic
theory, the oppressed workers were supposed to be the beneficiaries of a social
revolution that would place them on top of the power structure. When these
revolutionary opportunities presented themselves, however, the workers did not respond.
The Marxist revolutionaries did not blame their theory for these failures. They blamed the
workers.

>>138370651
Marxism is a philosophy. Marxist-leninism is the political ideology. Being a communist doesn't mean you have to support every single political interpretation of Marx.

>>138367855
Fuck off western larper

>>138370690
Nigger, if you follow marxism I don't consider you a human
>t.political science major who actually read marx and his cultural bastards reads Gramsci, Marcuse, Adorno, Lukasc...

>>138367855
>Why are so many people here hostile against communism
it probably might have to do with the +100 million deaths it has caused

>>138367855
>Why are so many people here hostile against communism, it only wants to be able to let the individual work freely according to his abilities without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour.
What? No, in Communism all people are forced, under threat of execution, to work to their limits according to their capabilities and then all wealth is redistributed between everyone according to their needs. Which means every able bodied person is overworked and then taxed like 98% of all their earnings from hard labour are given to the ill, the addicts, etc. The value of each hour of work is determined by a ruling class called the Proletariat Party, that unilaterally decides how everyone should be working. Needless to say that, to join the workers party, you have to be accepted by current members.

How can you seriously vouch for authoritarian dictatorship, wanting to impose it on everyone by force and not be called a retard is beyond me.

Maybe you should read up on Socialism or some other nerfed form of Left-side politics.

>>138367855
we hate starving

>>138370921
Well you surely didn't go into it with an open mind because you clearly didn't understand them.

>>138370651
Even ruskies in Estonia will probably beat them blue.

>>138370926
what about the other billions of deaths that happened in history? What are you going to blame that on?

>>138370615
Haven't the people who participated in the creation of the means of production already been compensated? That's how being a labourer works, you're compensated immediately for your efforts which are part of an investment made by a business owner.

Your way seems like selling a sandwich then stealing it back to sell again.

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>>138370651
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/kw9qae/question-of-the-day-would-you-vote-for-ceausescu

Got told they miss it, and communists were less corrupt and incompetent than what they have now.

It's really only Poland and the Baltics that whine about it, on the account of being reactionary shitholes full of narcissists.

>>138370454
These books are already written and this is not a communism in them. If you try to rewrite communism you will just end with modern Neoclassical economics. All your good ideas already in them.

>>138367855
Because I'm against slavery.

>>138367855

which is fine in theory, but in practice it has literally always resulted in turning means of production over to a highly authoritarian government, and that's a terrible idea there senpai

>>138367855

gommunsim and alt-left is a childish sickness

>>138371058
Former member of the socialist youth. Look, your greatest enemies are not those who oppose you, but those who use your methods against you. I went deeper as you would wish, and I have the doxes of every socialist in my country. Breivik will be a fart against me

>>138370790
Then how come literally every single communist country is an oppressive shit hole? My life right now if far more financially secure than every single communist citizen on the planet while the exception of their crook leaders. Sure capitalists are crooks too but they steal less from me.

Marx was also very ignorant about human nature, some people are naturally bad no matter what situation they're in.

>>138370454
>>138370512

When I lived in Cuba I had nothing. I worked 50-60 hours a week at a bottling plant, and later at a bakery. I made around $15/month. With a degree in Physics. Now I live in the United States. I own my own walnut farm, and it produces about $60,000 a year. This is in addition to the profits from my own import/export company. I have solar power, well water, guns, ATVs, golf cart, two trucks, and a camper. Nobody exploits my labor. When I have children, all this will be passed down to them. In Cuba I wouldn't even be able to have my own business. In Cuba one time I was in a nightclub and some guy came in with a machete and started slashing people, me and my girlfriend escaped. In Cuba I couldn't even carry a knife to defend myself or my family. Now I have a concealed weapons permit and never leave my house unarmed. I am FREE. I am beholden to NO MAN.

So. Explain to me how your political philosophy would improve my life?

Communism, Liberalism, and being a leftist is basically a mental illness.

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>>138368249
>ugly finns
>That finnish white knight that consistently defends lauren

>>138371133
Better ask them do people in these countries want to be executed for purchase or possession of american dorrars. Best test about "communism was le good"

>>138371205
Well, maybe we won't dedicate inordinate amount of industry to military production while abstaining from war next time. Whether it's the "military production" or "abstaining from war" part that we won't do is entirely up to the capitalists.

>>138367855
Holding back the years
Thinking of the fear I've had so long
When somebody hears
Listen to the fear that's gone
Strangled by the wishes of pater
Hoping for the arms of mater
Get to me the sooner or later

Holding back the years
Chance for me to escape from all I've known
Holding back the tears
Cause nothing here has grown
I've wasted all my tears
Wasted all those years
And nothing had the chance to be good
Nothing ever could yeah

I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
So tight

I've wasted all my tears
Wasted all of those years
And nothing had the chance to be good
Cause nothing ever could oh yeah

I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
I'll keep holding on
Holding, holding, holding

That's all I have today
It's all I have to say

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>>138371588
you should read more. Not just the propaganda, but history. But it doesn't matter, as you have chosen your path, and will share the faith of your ideological brothers

Georg Lukacs was the son a wealthy Hungarian banker. Lukacs began his political life as
an agent of the Communist International. His book History and Class Consciousness
gained him recognition as the leading Marxist theorist since Karl Marx. Lukacs believed
that for a new Marxist culture to emerge, the existing culture must be destroyed. He
said, “I saw the revolutionary destruction of society as the one and only solution to the
cultural contradictions of the epoch,” and, “Such a worldwide overturning of values
cannot take place without the annihilation of the old values and the creation of new ones
by the revolutionaries.”

When he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in
Hungary in 1919, Lukacs launched what became known as “Cultural Terrorism.” As part
of this terrorism he instituted a radical sex education program in Hungarian schools.
Hungarian children were instructed in free love, sexual intercourse, the archaic nature of
middle-class family codes, the out-datedness of monogamy, and the irrelevance of
religion, which deprives man of all pleasures. Women, too, were called to rebel against
the sexual mores of the time. Lukacs’s campaign of “Cultural Terrorism” was a precursor
to what Political Correctness would later bring to Western European schools.

In 1923, Lukacs and other Marxist intellectuals associated with the Communist Party of
Germany founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt,
Germany. The Institute, which became known as the Frankfurt School, was modelled
after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. In 1933, when Nazis came to power in
Germany, the members of the Frankfurt School fled. Most came to the United States.

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>>138367855
>Why are people so hostile vs. commies
Literally any justification you offer is just a mask for your delusions of grandeur and desire to impose your malevolent will on reality.

>>138367855
Obviously haven't read the communist manifesto or learned history. Anyone who paid attention in class would know that communism never works. Name one place it worked OP. I'll wait. China doesn't count bc it's freemarket and northern europe is dependent on American funding.

its what makes the green grass grow

>>138371333
>So. Explain to me how your political philosophy would improve my life?
You would have no options but to shout loudly that communist political philosophy actual improved you life. So everyone could see that indeed it improved your life :^). Now we have philosophical question about objectivism and subjectisim and observer role :^)

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>>138371815
Karltural Marxist Frank Furtschool of Wizardry and Magic strikes again!

>telling others to read more

>let the individual work freely according to his abilities without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour.

What if I freely choose to sell my labour to a greedy capitalist in return for shekels, you commie fuck?

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>>138372124
read moron >>138369687
and get the fuck out with your non-sourced macros

The fourth parallel is in means: expropriation. Economic Marxists, where they obtained
power, expropriated the property of the bourgeoisie and handed it to the state, as the
“representative” of the workers and the peasants. Cultural Marxists, when they gain
power (including through our own government), lay penalties on native European men
and others who disagree with them and give privileges to the ”victim” groups they
favour. Affirmative action is an example.

Finally, both varieties of Marxists employ a method of analysis designed to show the
correctness of their ideology in every situation. For classical Marxists, the analysis is economic. For cultural Marxists, the analysis is linguistic: deconstruction. Deconstruction
“proves” that any “text,” past or present, illustrates the oppression of Muslims, women,
homosexuals, etc. by reading that meaning into words of the text (regardless of their
actual meaning). Both methods are, of course, phony analyses that twist the evidence to
fit preordained conclusions, but they lend a ‘scientific” air to the ideology.

These parallels are neither remarkable nor coincidental. They exist because Political
Correctness is directly derived from classical Marxism, and is in fact a variant of Marxism.
Through most of the history of Marxism, cultural Marxists were “read out” of the
movement by classical, economic Marxists. Today, with economic Marxism dead, cultural
Marxism has filled its shoes. The medium has changed, but the message is the same: a
society of radical egalitarianism enforced by the power of the state.

one must simply read
a is for ass hole

>>138372179
Commie death squads would kill you then.

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>>138367855
communism in the west = jewish dictatorship

last go round they killed 66 million

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>>138367855

Notice how none of these commies are addressing me. They ignore my posts. This is their way. Whenever a Cuban or someone else who endured Communism speaks up in one of these threads the Reds shut up real quick.

The best they can say to me is "THAT WASNT FULL COMMUNISM!"

Well guess what lads. Full communism is already here if you want it. Get a patreon account, make good content, and the shells will roll in. That truly is wealth redistribution in the Marxian conception of communism being a product of markets operating at 100% efficiency. Then you could put all your shekels into Bitcoin, utilize a full fill service for any purchase, and live in a commune with in Northern California, thus undermining the need for the state to exist.

The heaven you want already exists, you are just probably too much of a pussy to actually go get it. Also, even if you do all that, my quality of life will still be higher soooooooooo

>>138371133
>vice
maybe its only romania?
also nice pic
>April 21, 2010

>>138367855
Doesn't function no matter what the intention was, I prefer having food to not having food.

>>138367855
Work freely? Work for free? Be a slave?

Yeah, same difference, desu.

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>>138371133
That's the most insane post I've seen on /pol/.
Those are utter bullshit. There are two sure-fire ways to get your piss beaten out of you in Romania. Either attack a gypsy and get marked by his whole clan. Or be a commie and get hunted by the city's ultras. If you want to believe (((vice))) with some cherrypicked (((real))) interviews over someone that has actually lived there all his life, good on you.

Stop being a larping edgy faggot.

Also press S to spit on grave.

>>138373079
It's garbage.

>>138373199
S
we should do the same with our traitors.

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Ok I'm going to give your the benefit of the doubt and assume your not a troll/ shitposter and give you and actual response and teardown communism. A key idea of why communism would work is the tribal state of early humanity, and how they would share the workload and resources among the tribe, therefore this a natural state for humanity, and this thinking is given as prrof that catpliastim is not natrual or benifical, that sharing rsources can work and is a natural state for humanity. But this argument ignores one key part of tribalism, warefare. These early tribes still competed for resources, they just did it with other tribes. This is because resources have always been limited, and still are today. Capitalism offers a nonviolent way for tribes to compete for resources. And you also ignore what tribes are, families. Even today, in escapist society, families hare resources among themselves. Im fact, im sure it was your parents who paid for you to go to college and by indoctrinated by marxists. Capatliasm provides these tribes a system to compete with each other without warfare, which has lead to a rapid expansion in society. We live in the richest country in the world, when places that never moved passed the tribal stage, praised by commies, are still in that stage.

>>138372412
>non-sourced macros
The source is the totality of Adorno's work, you retard.

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Communism is nonsense. It has already been proven.
>workers seize the means of production and can act on their own self interest
That means they own the means of production privately and will sell their commodities for the highest price an attempt to produce it at the lowest costs. AKA, not communism, just plunder.
>workers don't seize the means of production, but rather, they are owned by a collectivist state
Half of communists would say this is not communism, other half is too stupid to understand the economic calculation problem and how no state can actually centrally plan the production, and that even the USSR and North Korea always had markets.

>Everyone is equal
>Everyone is poor or dead

Regardless of gender, orientation etc. of course

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>>138367855
Why are people on Star Trek hostile towards the Borg? They only want to free everyone of their horrific individualism which is the cause of all their problems?!

>>138367855
>Why are so many people here hostile against communism, it only wants to be able to let the individual work freely according to his abilities without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour.
Sure buddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>138367855
>hasn't read the communist manifesto.

>>138370454
You mean leftists goalpost shifted what communism was, and claimed it was never reached. It's the same as "democratic socialism". We saw what happens with that when somebody is elected into power and they start jailing or outright executing their political opposition,right?

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>>138371133
Case in point: a couple months ago we had hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets calling the socialists the "red plague"(not communists, because calling yourself a communist is political suicide, you'll never hold any form of public office for the rest of your life). It's funny how you snotty little shits in the west who have never been to a post-communist country call for revolution and erect statues of fucking Engels in Manchester, while the places where the glorious liberation of the proletariat happened abhor it.

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>>138367855
>Be a social outcast
>You start following an ideology that allows you to meet people in the bread lines
Communism, not even once

>>138367855
Oh yes please give me communism bc i am not capable of thinking for my self, the government should control everything in my life. Ps plz pay off my student loans. thats all millineals want

>>138367906
>Implying communist have spoons

>>138370651
Go wear a Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei shirt in Germany, tell me how that goes.

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>>138367855
Thats why:
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087

Any religion, cult, movement, organization... that butchers 100,000,000 million (actually many more) people in just 100 Years, across many different countries and cultures deserves to be stamped out completely.

It simply does not matter anymore if the intention are or were good. With such results there can be no doubts anymore that this is pure, elementar evil.

>>138367855
It's a sham set up by Jews. If you want optimal societies you should look for something like meritocracies or technocracies

>>138375124
story behind pic?

>>138375454
gymnastics school. Gotta keep those lolis flexible.

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>>138367855
> Why are so many people here hostile against communism

>>138367929
thats a guy

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>>138371133
arbeit macht frei(tm) goy

>>138375534

and we're the racist ones for calling asians insectoid and without emotion.

>>138369866
BTW holodomor is fake. They never starved ukrainians. They starved Russians, so that ukrainians will be able to settle on Russian lands.

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>>138376166

>>138376153
well you are. The reason why this photo is reasonably famous is because quite a few chinks thought that this was horrible and posted (and reposted) it.

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>spend time trying to make money for nothing a reality
>simultaneously invent new "disabilities" every day
>"you're lazy if you don't like socialism. gibs"
Really activates my almond toes

>>138367855
>let the individual work freely
>let
more like
>force the individual to work freely

What do you do if nobody wants to do certain jobs or go through the necessary education for a job because he isn't going to be any better off if he just works a simple, cushy job? Are you going to forcibly send people living in cities to work on farms like in China's "Down to the Countryside Movement"? Are you going to send people that aren't communist enough for your liking to Gulag-like work camps?
Maybe even more basically what happens to the people that don't agree with you? No matter what your ideology you are going to find at least 30-40% of the population staunchly opposed to your ideals. What happens to the ones that don't want to give up their property? I know in Marx' pipe dream everybody is going to awaken to "class consciousness" and want to seize the means of production but in the real world you know that nothing of the sort is ever going to happen. At best you would find a comparatively small number that aligns with you and a larger group that would just go along because they can't be bothered. And the rest? Like any communist revolution and government; are you willing to kill millions and enslave millions more for your cruel ideology?

And that isn't even talking about its practical flaws even if the implementation went flawlessly: how you want to allocate resources among different industries or projects, how you want to motivate people to continuously be more productive/innovative, how you intend to distribute products among the population or determine the correct price/ value of a product, etc.
It is all arbitrarily decided by some bureaucrat that can't tell his head from his ass.
And if you honestly believe that at some point the state would just "vanish" after your perfect redistribution you are an even bigger idiot than I thought. You will always need a central body to enforce your tyranny that can't tolerate any dissenters.

>whines and wallows against Communism
>ignores that Capitalism enslaved millions in the Transatlantic slave trade, suppressed human dignity by imposing the rural exodus and forcing former servants to work 15 hours a day under perilous and inhuman conditions as the new proletariat
> complains like a dumb dog against the Kmer Rouge
> ignores that that the Communist Vietcongs liberated Cambodia from Pol Pot's regime whilst the United Nations and the USA either ignored Vietnam's plight for aid on it or opposed it due to the Cold War to avoid the Soviet Influence in Indochina. Meanwhile, the USA bombed Cambodia and Laos killing thousands of innocent civilians with chemical weapons, devastating the popular economy in order to curtail the Vietcongs supply chain via the Ho Chin Mi route

I truly hope you pigs don't forget the thousands of deaths and the violence perpetrated by Capitalism. Actually, I don't think you have the cognitive capacity to understand the inequalities and the evil of Capitalism since you bigoted neonazis have your heads up your ass. Also:

>ignoring the genocide perpetrated in Timor Leste and the MILLIONS OF COMMUNISTS KILLED BY SUKARNO IN INDOneSIA due to a dictatorial regime CREATED AND SUPPORTED BY GLOBAL CAPITALISM THROUGH THE USA
>IGNORING THE HISTORY OF NICARAGUA, REPUBLICA DOMINICANAAND ALL THE DICTATORIAL REGIMES INSTALLED BY THE USA IN LATIN AMERICA THAT VIOLATED THE HUMAN RIGHTS

You faiscst should pick up a history book someday so you won't shit with your fingers by not properly understanding the Great Leap Foward and thinking it could be compared to Nazism or even Capitalism and the millions of deaths they ensued.

I can think of 94,000,000 reasons why communism is bad.

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>>138367855
Because your ideology is complete dogshit.

>>138379317
>READ

https://publicintelligence.net/anders-behring-breiviks-complete-manifesto-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence/

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>>138379317
capitalism didn't invent slavery you fucking negroid dunce
capitalism ended it

>>138379727
B-but anything that's not communism is capitalism!!!

>>138379727
>implying that MERCANTILISM isn't CAPITALISM
Also, by nazist standards, slavs are subhumans so you are no better than a negro

>>138380180
Soft-theocratic/monarcic imperialism isn't capitalism.

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>>138367855
Saged

>>138367855
But what if I want to work by sitting on the couch and watch TV?

Why do you get to decide what's valuable work and what isn't?

Capitalism solved that problem
Communism has yet to even address it after they're done shouting "it wasn't real communism"

>>138380180
are you seriously implying it was some anglo landing in Ooogaboogatopia who thought to himself "hm, this bongobongo dude looks inferior, I shall ENSLAVE him, whatever that means" and went on to incorporate Fresh Nigglets Inc. and then lectured his white bois back home on this wonderous new thing he just found out called "slavery"?

>Also, by nazist standards, slavs are subhumans so you are no better than a negro
You argue like a negroid. Now I'm a supporter of Nazi Germany because I think communists are subhumans?

>>138367855
>why don't people like my failed ideology
I think its the part where it fails every time and 10's of millions of people starve to death
>b-but i-it means free stuff for everyone
Kys

>>138380429
>Soft-theocratic/monarcic imperialism
Ayyy, just because it wasn't the Liberal Capitalism England idealized doesn't mean mercantilism differs from it in any way, this is called the Primitive Accumulation and slavery by the Triangular Commerce for example associated with the exploitation of the proletariat was essential for the construction of the the Monopolistic Capitalism you now know. So,

Mercantilism = Capitalism

Also, the USA never was a Liberal Capitalist state because it constantly imposed high tariffs against importation in order to protect its industry, so you believe in a lie if you think that the Socialist Planification is exclusive to the Second World. Take the the New Deal as a sign of the precariousness of monopolistic capitalism

>>138380805
Nah, it's just funny to see someone who is regarded and seen as a subhuman spouting a diatribe against negroes as if he is in any way diffentt from them. Accept the truth that slavs are regarded as lowly as negroes biologically and historically.

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>>138379317
Communsts aren't humans and they are disruptive. Exterminating millions of communists is not genocide, it's merely a service provided.

Secondly, those genocides were done by states, not "capitalism". If you define everything that isn't communism as capitalism then capitalism sure looks bad. Except if you realize that libertarian free market capitalistic and individualistic ideals is what made every first world country and eradicated poverty and food shortages everywhere it was applied, and it has nothing to do with government action and military orders, then you would realize that capitalism is obviously the way of making a developed society.

>>138381292
>Accept the truth that slavs are regarded as lowly as negroes biologically and historically.
Eat shit, slavs added more to civilization in 100 years than negroes in 10.000.
Also Romanians are not slavs.

>>138368903
good post

>>138370454
>The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

>>138367855
IT. DOESNT. WORK.

>>138367855
Work freely to not own anything. Yep, no thanks. I'll just not work. Good luck with your Utopia peabrain.

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>>138381292
> slavs are regarded as lowly as negroes biologically and historically.
The slavic IQ is around 94+, and that's on areas that grew malnutritioned people through food shortages. In the next generations, the average slavic IQ will probably be around the same as any other white IQ, while the average negro IQ will not get past 80. 20 points behind.

Basically, just so you can get an idea: if you are an idealist person, 90 points is already stupid low. With a 90 point IQ you might already have problems reading instructions and following them correctly. There are places in Africa where the average IQ is bellow 80. Around 75, some areas even slightly lower than that. That's so low that teaching them to read and write is incredibly difficult, that so low it impares their verbal literacy.

If you are a slavic girl in a slavic neighborhood, a 70 point IQ will categorize you as someone who's mentally retarded. There are entire cities of negroes filled with people with around that IQ. In fact, most academics rejected mental retardation standards made in the previous century in white societies because it would basically categorize entire negro countries as mentally retarded.

>>138382617
I could never believe in it since there's no reality to it neither does it have a scientific basis. Besides, epistemologically, it's hard to think there's truly an objective standard that could denote conscience and its rationality. To think otherwise is to believe in CONTINGENCY. I completely agree that believing even in a ethnicity as a biological constituent is not academically sustainable and the racism against the slavs is exactly what it is: an ideology of inequality. It's amusing nonetheless to read an argument entirely based on IQ without any scientific citation that proves it, since it is against the epistemology of science itself.

>>138383672
>here I'll throw some words around to make me sound smart

>>138367855
when you replace god with the state you learn very quickly how much god loved you and how much the state hates you

this happens literally every time

>>138383871
>never studied Philosophy, Epistemology and Ontology so he thinks it's throwing around words

Holy shit Romanian education must be awful

I'm both opposed to theft and opposed to starving to death. Communism violates both of those principles.

>>138384070
wow, you know words, you have the best words, believe me

>>138373769
What the fuck did I just read

>>138367855
It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>138367855
Capitalism allows for this. It's called owning your own business.

>>138384300
Regardless, it is extremely unscientific to take current scientific knowledge as a fact since it opposes the scientific methods themselves (in other words, it is against its epistemology).

>>138367855
>hostile against communism
Gee, I wonder why an anarchist might be hostile to Communists?

>>138367855
>individual work freely according to his abilities
So I'm just expected to freelance my hobbies? I'm already able to do that under capitalism. And what if there's no demand or productive need for my abilities?

>without having any capital owner taking advantage of his hard labour.
Then what is the point of working? What is the point of being an entrepeneur if you're only allowed to break even in order to support a welfare state? There is no point for an individual to run such an operation for no long-term gain, so businesses, production, engenuity, etc. plummet.

>>138383672
>"intelligence coefficient measurements have no scientific basis"
>"there's no standard or method to calculate intelligence"
>thinking I'm retarded enough to measure arguments by word complexity and not by logic
You are wrong on all three. The only thing you are right is :
>ethnicity as a biological constituent is not academically sustainable
True. Because the biological academy intentionally baned the measurements on human races out of fear of political backlash, not because it was scientifically sound. Just the gap between turks and nordic whites is over 10 000. The genetic gap between blacks and other races are past 50 000. Was it any other group of animals that were not humans, we would say there are at least 4 different species of it.

There were already studies utilizing adoption that showed that a black child being adopted does not in fact gives them a white IQ, while white kids adopted still tend to have their IQs more similar to the white average. The academia already stated that intelligence is not only measurable, which you claim it isn't, but also that intelligence is over 50% inherited. As I said, they avoid conclusions on race out of political backlash, even thought it is obvious.

Anyway, to finish this post, I would like to call you out on being a false intellectual and making things up in your post, while trying to hide it with a snobby writing. You should suck a million dicks then kill yourself.

>>138386781
You should contain your aggressiveness otherwise it might impact negatively on your IQ. Could it be the warrior gene determining you? Now stop pretending and admit that you don't know shit about epistemology and science, given that you think your reasoning is in any way scientific.

[spoiler]hue[/spoiler]

>>138387467
>you are not scientific!
>you don't know epistemology (which has nothing to do with what's being discussed)
>you should contain your aggressiveness!
Can you explain to me where intelligence comes from and why is it not genetic? Your genes define your height, your facial structure, your hair color and skin color, your eye sight, why wouldn't it define your intelligence?

Tell me, how come our brain structures vary enough to give different racial demographics different chances of being schizophrenic and having certain mental illness related to brain structure, but not IQ?

>get useless philosophy degree on a public brazilian college
>brags about knowing what epistemology is on 4chan
Truly pathetic. Your life will be painful.

>>138385558
Anarchist has the same goals as Communism, just differing on how it is achieved.

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>>138367855

> murders 100 million people
> why is everyone mad?

>>138368249
Who is Jess and where do I find her?

>>138367855

communism was a totalitarian shithole everywhere it gained power

>>bbut real communisms never been tried!

>>138388568
Idea's don't kill people. If you want to play like that Communists can blame every death that has happened other that those as being caused by capitalism

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>>138389129
Communism has never been reached. The definition of communism didn't happen, the goal of a communist party is to reach it which doesn't happen immediately. The Soviets and Chinese ended up going astray from the cause.

>>138389141
So its human nature that kills people? Gee I wonder why people don't like an ideology that requires human nature to be removed from the equation

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>>138389315

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>>138389315
>Communism has never been reached. The definition of communism didn't happen
Because It literally cannot happen and never will: >>138374392

That does not mean that all the countries that claimed to be communists were not led by communist ideologues who understood communist literature far better than you and tried their best to shape their nations according to their beliefs.

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>>138367855

yes, why wouldn't I want to share everything my ancestors worked hard to build with illegal invading leeches?

It makes so much sense now

>>138389483
Human nature isn't a a real thing.

>>138389570
and that man? Albert Einstein

Wow you really showed me

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>>138389622
The subhuman commie says human nature isn't a thing. Wew lad

>>138389615
You share capital, not private property necessarily. Hard workers will get rich no problem.

>>138389141
It's as if ameridumbs and neonazis believe that the Surplus Value suddenly materialized and starved millions to death whilst Reification and Class Consciousness imposed violent dictatorial regimes. Whoever associates Marxism and Communism with Totalitarism has never read the German Ideology or even the Economical Manuscripts. Actually, I highly doubt an American (or any anti-communist as a matter of fact) even knows correctly what Historical Materialism is.

>>138389724
Its not an objective thing. Just vague descriptions that can change over time

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>>138389672

yes, a commie, and a jew, who would be one of the party members who would benefit from the system

and he laughs at you useful idiot anyway

>>138368745
>Lets upend civilization as we know it so we can have the exact same freedoms we have now!
>"Why?"
>.... Uhh, freedoms and stuff, My Jewish Professor told me it was a good idea...

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>>138389768
First off, communism is impossible and it was already explained in this thread: >>138374392

Second off, you believe that genes don't define intelligence and that blacks and slavs are pretty much the same, and by the looks of it, you are philosophy student who knows nothing about economic theory. You have no merit to have an opinion that has any weight on the subject. If you don't have logical arguments you should get the fuck out.

>>138367855

I like how it needs an ethnostate of chinks or whites to work

But, it'll always fail when people want more than what can be supplied to them; equal work for equal pay tends to be boring for people.

>>138367855
cause it has never worked and cost tens of millions of lives just to make peoples lives shitter. you have to be retarded to not see that

>>138389911
How would communism change the current justice system other than stuff dealing with economics? We aren't going to somehow revert to some kind of law system from distant pass. It can only be improved through dialectics.

>>138390084
I am not defending Marxist-Leninism and the branches that came of that. I am Defending Marxism as a critic of capitalism.

>>138367855
Capitalism works. Socialism doesn't. Socialism is appealing to losers.

>>138389315
>holodomor
>civil war
>gulags
>katyn
>killing religious figures
>killing intellectuals
>purging everyone you don't like

"but diz was not cummunism this was some guy' yes that guy was in charge of the country you faggots worship and praise

>>138390274
You do you have such a hard time separating the Soviet union from the philosophy of Marx? If anything future Marxists could learn from their failures.

>>138389768
Furthermore, you don't seem to understand how retarded you are.
>I highly doubt an American (or any anti-communist as a matter of fact) even knows correctly what Historical Materialism is.
"They don't know this weak academic concept that was rejected 100 years ago, meaning, they don't even know the communist ideology!"

Nobody needs to study everything Marx wrote to understand communism, because Marx couldn't even explain communism himself. Even socialists professors from anglo universities that claim to know how to make a socialist society are pure con-artists who cannot elaborate anything. >>138389985

The idea that you get to demand others to study your failed concepts is ridiculous. Nobody needs to study your retarded historical materialism, in fact, nobody should study historical materialism because it is virtually useless outside a marxist clergy. I don't need to study what wrong people write, what stupid people write, to not be stupid.

>>138390173
well, ill give you that. he has good critique of capitalism, but no solutions that work better so what good is that? capitalism may not be a great system, but it's better than any other.

>>138390453
but they don't. they never fucking learn. this points to the fundamental flaw in the practical application of marxism; human nature. people are greedy. you can't beat it out of them. people want power, communism has no mechanism in place to counter balance this. thats why it always depends into totalitarianism a day after the revelution(s). its so weird that a bad idea can be tried so many times despite it's spectacular failures. but hey why not roll the dice one more time. it might work this time with waht we learned from all the previous failures. whats the worst that could happen? maybe another couple million dead? no big deal right? whats that in the name of (potential) "progress"

>>138367855
You did not behave well THE FIRST TIME already. And we had to trow you out two times in one century. so now i guess helicopter rides for you are mandatory if you try this shit again.

>>138391326
>this points to the fundamental flaw in the practical application of marxism; human nature. people are greedy.
That's a severe understatement on the problems of communism. Even if you stipulate that everyone will be worker drones, eradicating self interest driven personal finance eradicates resource allocation. Even if people were drones communism would still be impossible. Think about it, machines and AI and any automation in the current society, which are not humans and work nonstop, still need a market to be allocated. In the future even fully automated AI colonies will have to act in the form of a market to organize itself. Even if you stipulate human nature, the alleged communist geniuses can't explain their system:>>138389985

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>>138389315
Even if """""""real""""" communism is """""achieved""""", do you really want the parasites, the lowest of the low of society, the legitimately mentally disabled to take decisions that directly influence you?

>>138390493

it's not even a good critique

do you think marx or lenin believed this shit?

capitolism is nature.. therefore it is human nature

(((they))) spewed lies to convince the masses to stop competing, for their own power and benefit of their own people

What if I'd RATHER work for a guy who would take advantage of my labour, communist scum?

>>138391965
>>138391965
i don't think it's an understatement. communism thinks that we can transend our self interest for the collective good. sounds nice, but all it takes is one greedy guy to fuck it up and start the road to corruption... and guess what, we're all greedy. thats why communism needs guns and total control, because people have self interest that extends into greed. communism is the most perfect encapsulation of the phrase "the road to hell with best intentions"

but yea, having price setting by a central authority doesn't work and leads to mass shortages and surpluses. there's that problem too.

>>138367855
Why the fuck would I work hard if everyone was paid the same? Use your fucking head.

>KILLS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS

"why so hostile?"
get a job faggot

>>138367855
Have any of you ever thought about adopting your own ideas?

>>138367855
>>138367855
You killed my great grandmother and my great great grandmother. You also locked my grandfather in a labor camp for 8 years, he was 19 at the time. You also genocided 60+ million slaves, and enslaved eastern Europe for more then half of a century. The wounds that you inflicted on humanity will take centuries to heal. I hope that your ideology will cease to exists.

>>138392928

protip: you're "one greedy guy" is the leader of the commie revolution in the first place..

>>138367855
Who is this commie mommy?

>>138392625
there were a few good points that marx talked about... late stage capitalism stuff. it's been a while but i remember it being good even if i can't remember it exactly lol.

thats not the point though. even if your critique has valid points, it's meaningless unless you have workable solutions to the problems that you are raising. if your perposed solutions are worse that the problems that you are trying to address, you have to be honest about that. most commies aren't thought, because they've replaced god with ideology. nieche talks about this

>>138393488
thats usually how it goes

>>138393682
Learn to spell you fucking mong

>>138393341

me too, my estonian grandfather had his brothers shot in the woods, my Finnish grandmothers family' had to flee their farm as the Red Army came never to see it again, they were penniless refugees

but try telling that to any normies
#whitelivesdontmatter now