So can anybody please explain the goal and purpose of fascism?

>>138188569
Is fascism griefing the life out of people you deem weaker than you or less moral than your piety standards or poorer than you or something?

>>138188569
Protecting and improving our people.
Everything follows from this principle.

>>138188569
Letting corporations take over while simultaneously being afraid that Jews control everything, but letting the corporations have roughshod of everything anyway, and promote for state monopoly on industry, and bust up unions and destroy any chances for bargaining between trade unions and convince the people that they need no unions only party because the party is the state and the state is god?

Restoring order.

whatever generates the most butthurt and lulz

don't worry we all know that an AIDS infested transgender somalian pirate and buzz aldrin are actually exactly the same interchangeable moral agents but one has slightly darker skin and the other has white privilege

>>138188569
Fascism, in a sentence, is Capitalism w/o the gridlock of Democracy.
It's like Globalism but only for a single Nation.

>>138188569
Defeating (((enemies))) of mankind.

>>138188569
Fascism historically is always a reaction to some form of radical socialism. The goal is to adopt leftist strategy to protect the nation and restore be order.

The end goal is to remove antifa.

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>>138188569
Literally thinks that fascism is "trolling the shit out of people and killing people you don't like"
Proves that antifas are just a bunch of faggots that dropped out of school and have no idea of how anything works,
Not even the policies they promote and oppose

Now let me ask you a question
What do YOU think would happen in a world of anarchy?

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>>138188569

every time a leftist tries to push their commie agenda, I will post pictures like this

Do not let these dumbasses shill on /pol/

>>138188569
Preventing the degradation of the gene pool

>>138188569
oh no your retarded

Restoring sanity.

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its an inevitable phenomena in civilization, you can't avoid it. This is why Roman government allowed to elect dictators with limitations and term limits. Romans knew the best way to rule is to allow with limitations instead of preventing it from happening. When you prevent dictatorship from forming like during Weimer Republic the situation becomes more dire and you get an unofficially elected dictator like Hitler with no term limits. This is what is happening now, the leftists don't understand that you can't have a democracy in a time of crisis, they believe anything but direct democracy is facism or nazism but don't realize a dictatorship is required for the country to avoid a a total collapse.

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>>138188569
I'm still confused on what your goal is

>>138188569

>DUH WUT IS FASCISM GUYS

Like anyone is surprised that an "anarchist" doesn't know shit about historical political ideologies.

You should be lurking instead of posting, kid.

>>138188569
whatcha doing rabbi!!!

>>138189832

Fascism is the reason why ANTIFAscism exists.

The clue is in the name.

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>>138192569

Beta "We want free speech!"
Alpha "OK, have free speech"
Beta "Death to free speech"

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>>138188749

So it's true! You really don't care about badgers.

Tsk tsk. Very naughty.

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>>138194336
Free speech is for faggots

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>>138188749

>Protecting and improving our people.

Is it true that German fascists can't orgasm without watching a teenager poop?

You might want to start there .

>>138194336
I dont think facists want absolute free speech

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>>138193398
>the leftists don't understand that you can't have a democracy in a time of crisis

And the right wing always invent a crisis or cause one.

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>>138194996
I hope you arent being serious

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victory over anarchy

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>>138188905
>whatever generates the most butthurt and lulz

KEK to that
but a lot of loonies are brainwashing themselves whilst they're doing it.

Some take it as seriously as the lefties they've been trolling now.

>>138188849
He said fascism not communism.

Inb4 major corporations are not in communism. We call the design bureau and inner party members so the are totally different

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I just wanna see a pile of dead reds as Yankee Doodle is sung through the streets. I wanna hear the media start calling the US military a bunch of terrorists, while Anti-faggots get their asses handed to them! Oh there will be barbecues and fireworks for months without end as the people rejoice! The commies are dead! The commies are dead!

Enforced morality and decency.

>>138195141

You think the left wanted to invade Iraq (uniting the worst extremists in prisons and then leaving the Iraqi army's gear behind for them to find?) or train Al Quaida to attack commies (whilst pissing them off by stationing military units in Mosques)?

You need to be very young to fall for the new right wing's indoctrination.
That's one of the things that makes it so annoying.

>>138188569
I guess if we are talking about Mussolini style fascism, the point would be to only allow corporations trade who serve the interests of the people, with the aim to elevating the standard of living mainly for the middle/lower class.

Most ideologies outside of our current system (Globalism, Capitalism and Consumerism) seek similar things, at least on paper, which is to create a more pleasant nation for the citizens.

Maybe you should read that book Growth of The Soil. I haven't gotten round to it yet but everyone says it is one of the best and one of the earlier fascist pieces of literature.

>>138188569
>What is facism
>Btw, facism is anybody on the alternative side of conservative politics
>Everybody
>In fact, we'll throw in the "old right" if we want to, just like this guy did here >>138195776


Not worth trying to play you underhanded game, hombre. Anybody with a brain knows what you think facism is.

Everybody is a facist.

>>138195776
Shut the fuck up you subhuman white Leftist. I'm Persian but I wouldn't mind if every single Leftist and communist scum gets brutally murdered like a dirty dog. In my homeland, we murdered hundreds of thousands of communists, Leftist and liberals without remorse. We hang their bodies from construction cranes and spit on their dead bodies. I fucking hate you with all my anger and I hope you painfully die a horrible death. Leftist subhuman, we are gonna murder you all

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>>138188569
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>>138188849
>when the 14 year olds who have been linked here from some Antifa forum to come and shitpost don't understand how to into ID tags

>>138195776
I think that you have an extremely basic understanding of history and the left-right spectrum of poltics.
You're talking about 5000+ years of human history, events and governmental systems across the entire planet.

>>138188569
Truth, functionality and a future.

>>138196130
>Anybody with a brain knows what you think facism is.
>Everybody is a facist.

I like conservatives like Ben Shapiro and Jordan B Peterson.
They have something worthwhile to bring to the conversation.

Basically 'fascist' is an insult. If you act like an asshole, you get called an asshole.

That should be in human behaviour 101 classes.

>>138196409
Kek this

Its purpose is to create order.

>>138196561
>I used facist as an umbrella term for everything I dont like!
he just said that.

>>138188569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp04VmdRyoI

>>138196561
>Basically 'fascist' is an insult.

So.... you are admitting that people on your side of the political spectrum constantly just straw man people they disagree with rather than engaging in debate and discussion?

Who woulda thunk

>>138188849
The fascists concept of a corporation isn't the same as a capitalist corporation you dimwit.

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>>138196561
>fascist is an insult
Start your retarded revolution already.

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>>138196334

How rude.

Communists are the ones who slap you for acting like that, am I right?

Try it in a biker bar, you might start seeing commies everywhere.

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>>138196911
>Try it in a biker bar, you might start seeing commies everywhere.

>>138188849
My nibba, the corporate press suddenly loves antifa, and, explicitly, communists and anarchists, now that nationalist/civilisational populism has kicked off. The state covers for your guys. They deplatform Western nationalists. That should ring some alarms about who is helping corporations.

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>>138196911
>commies in a biker bar

>>138196409
Kekkity

>>138188569

Love and tolerance

>>138188569
It serves the same function as in republican Rome. Shit starts to get heated, so let's give all power to this guy so we can get out of this mess.

>>138196777
>So.... you are admitting that people on your side of the political spectrum constantly just straw man people they disagree with rather than engaging in debate and discussion?

That's not what I said but I'd admit it. The strawman cancer thrives whenever it's more important to be on the same side than to be reasonable.

Same with all kinds of demagogue polemic and logical fallacy.

If you want to ethnically cleanse 11 million illegals, people will unite against it and the moron contingent will feel validated.

>>138188569
>So can anybody please explain the goal and purpose of fascism?

The point of Fascism is the same as any other political system, to make the country better.

Fascism is nationalistic, authoritarian, imperialistic and is corporatist or promotes moderate state oversight of the economy. Those are the fundamental elements of Fascism and without those elements, a government is not Fascist.

>>138194124
>Fascism is the reason why ANTIFAscism exists.
>The clue is in the name.

That is bullshit. Anti-Fascism is nothing more than a euphemism for Communism. It is a cute name for violent Communist groups who attack anyone who is against Communism, including Liberals, Social Democrats, Libertarians and Conservatives. Not just Fascists.

>>138195776
>You think the left wanted to invade Iraq (uniting the worst extremists in prisons and then leaving the Iraqi army's gear behind for them to find?) or train Al Quaida to attack commies (whilst pissing them off by stationing military units in Mosques)?

They only opposed it because Bush was doing it. The Left in America was all for warhawk Hillary being elected, after she turned Libya from the most prosperous state in Africa to a chaos pit.

>>138197572
>If you want to ethnically cleanse 11 million illegals, people will unite against it and the moron contingent will feel validated.

People being sent back to their homeland isn't ethnic cleansing.

>>138197572
>If you want to ethnically cleanse 11 million illegals, people will unite against it and the moron contingent will feel validated.

Who is actually advocating for that?

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Stop using the anarchy symbol, you faggot. It makes the rest of us look bad.

>>138197391
>It serves the same function as in republican Rome. Shit starts to get heated, so let's give all power to this guy so we can get out of this mess.

Kind of, but it happens when neophobes are getting freaked out by predominantly harmless diversity and they escalate the violence themselves.

Jihadists haven't escalated violence against the West since 911, there wasn't a rise of fascism at the time.

Weirdos and diversity provokes fascists more than anything else.
They try to justify it with accusations until they end up lapping up Milo's verbal diarrhoea and then they're in a black hole of blind rage and desire for 'strong leaders'

>>138198199
>predominantly harmless diversity
wew these mental gymnastics again

>>138198170
>Who is actually advocating for that?

That was the estimated population of illegal immigrants in America during last year's election.

It's one of the biggest attempted ethnic cleanings in history.

Add the fact that a lot of people probably don't ask their friends if they're illegal and you can guess another reason why so many people get pissed off about it

>>138193620
>I'm still confused on what your goal is

Ownership of the means of production by the working class.

>>138198199
>Kind of, but it happens when neophobes are getting freaked out by predominantly harmless diversity and they escalate the violence themselves.
>Jihadists haven't escalated violence against the West since 911

>what is Europe

>Weirdos and diversity provokes fascists more than anything else.

Not really, diversity provokes conflict, fascism need or need not be involved. Take a look at culturally diverse societies before diversity was a thing. Northern Ireland, South Africa, Iraq, Sudan, for some examples. All diverse, none have fascism or many fascists to speak of, all have or are suffering terrible conflict due to the cultural and/or religious differences between the peoples.

For someone who I guess would describe themselves as Liberal and Progressive, you have a very Americentric view.

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I'm mobilefagging right now, so keep in mind I'm usually sporting an ancap flag.
Fascism is important and a good thing, if you have a failed state and you need to restore the governmental authority. National Socialism is just fascism, with a splash of identity politics. It is for that reason why I laugh at the NatSoc flags, but I'm willing to debate and even team up to educate/remove Communists from the popular opinion.

>>138198519
>That was the estimated population of illegal immigrants in America during last year's election.

Sorry I missed the part where Trump said he was going to ethnically cleanse illegal immigrants. I guess you guys were right after all. Trump is literally Hitler.

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>>138198863

'Ethnic cleansing' can mean mass deportation (isn't that what Hitler claimed he was doing?).

It's the term used for the Soviets deporting 10 million ethnic Germans.

>>138194124
Wrong, the actual fascist groups came after antifa. You think you're reacting to fascism because you think anything that isn't Marxist Communism is fascism.

>>138198563
Do you only regurgitate Marc quotes? Or do you actually have an original thought? Kill. Yourself.

>>138199224
Right... and you know 'illegal immigrant' is not an ethnicity right?

>>138198563
What, like in the same way in the UK tax payers own part of RBS?

>>138198519
>That was the estimated population of illegal immigrants in America during last year's election.
>It's one of the biggest attempted ethnic cleanings in history.

You know that all the illegal Irish are being deported too. There's hundreds of thousands of them. America has a huge illegal alien problem because of decades of non-enforcement.

Sending people who are citizens of other countries home is not ethnic cleansing. That is ridiculous.

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>>138199243
>Wrong, the actual fascist groups came after antifa.

Not in Europe.
Antifascism is an old tradition that got corrupted by mentally ill Bolshevics and their power struggles in the late 90s.

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>>138188569
Lets go explore the galaxies as brothers, not die on earth as enemies.

>>138199297

Point noted. Thank you for correcting my choice of phrases.

>>138188569
Fascism is an economic doctrine

>>138199728
>Not in Europe.
>Antifascism is an old tradition that got corrupted by mentally ill Bolshevics and their power struggles in the late 90s.

It was always just a front for the Popular Front created by the Soviet Union to promote Communism in Europe after all the revolutions in Germany failed. Anti-Fascist is nothing but a euphemism for Communist.

>>138188569
Fascism is very similar to socialism, except industry is not State owned, just state controlled.
When you look at a country like South Korea, it seems very similar to a fascist country. Few privately owned companies own all the industry with heavy influence and direction from the State, 99% ethnically pure, very traditional culture. Their democracy is a sham, and controlled by a small ruling elite so in practicality they have top down rule.

>>138200067
>It was always just a front for the Popular Front created by the Soviet Union to promote Communism in Europe after all the revolutions in Germany failed. Anti-Fascist is nothing but a euphemism for Communist.

Not always, people think of it themselves for a lot of good reasons.

The KKK were lynching whilst commies were gulaging, isn't your point the same mentality as saying all the right wing are KKK fronts?

When the alt right decide they're going to 'support' a controversial figure it's like a hostile takeover in the scene around them.
Sometimes leftists do the same.

>>138188569
same kind of shit as communism but with a better logo

>>138199877
>choice of phrases
Just out of curiosity,how would you call it now,since you know its not ethnic cleansing? Enforcing the law?
>>138200666
>KKK lynching=systematic liquidation of millions of undesirable under/through government authority

>When the alt right decide they're going to 'support' a controversial figure it's like a hostile takeover in the scene around them.

So,you are saying that the alt right does not have the right to support/endorse a figure they deem worthy of their support/endorsement because they gain political momentum from it?

>Sometimes leftists do the same.
Yes you do,but when you choose your guy,lets say a presidential candidate in USA like Bernie,he gets his ass handed to him. Alt right candidate won.

Silvio Flaiano said that the anti-fascists of the future will be fascists.He was right,judging by antifa actions/stance.

I hope that you are an underage boy going through a phase,if not,I have some bad news to break to you.

>>138202315
>>choice of phrases
>Just out of curiosity,how would you call it now,since you know its not ethnic cleansing?

I'd call it 'forced mass relocation' and people who know a bit of history will know it sometimes crosses over with genocide so basically implication will always be there.

I don't think 'enforcing the law' fits the tragedy and the potential humanitarian disaster of deporting 11 million, because Justice should work for the bigger picture of making peace between tribes.

>>138202315
>So,you are saying that the alt right does not have the right to

It's time to back into your straight jacket
I didn't say that.

Your psychosis is irritating and it should not be my problem.

>>138188569
The point is to make members of a nation actually feel like they belong. Fascism puts the family first. Communism puts the state first.

>>138196561

Basicly fascism means stronger gov.

You have hitler style that abolishes democracy.
There is also oswald mosley style that advocates democratic fascism:

Nothing may interfere with the will of the people. Courts, organisations, cabals and councils may not stop the goverment that has been chosen to execute the demands of the people.

WE THE PEOPLE

>>138188569
When Mussolini seized power in Italy he was the first successfully do so against the leftist forces in his country. Therego the Comintern labeled all their current and future opponents as fascists. Before then they used terms like nationalists and bourgeoise.

Fascism before WW2 became known as the counter ideology against marxism. Only after WW2 did the word fascist become a catch all for the left to label their enemies. Because fascism was the most effective anti communist ideology of the 20th century.

>>138202315
>Silvio Flaiano said that the anti-fascists of the future will be fascists
Extreme simplification. They are both authoritarians though.

>>138204324
And the only true right-wing ideology. Both liberals and "conservatives" believed in at least some kind of equality.

>>138203879
>Nothing may interfere with the will of the people. Courts, organisations, cabals and councils may not stop the goverment that has been chosen to execute the demands of the people.

Four words
"Jo Cox got elected"

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>>138203044
>forced mass relocation
You misspelled forced mass enforcement of the law. You do realize that by nature law needs to be enforced,people who illegally entered the state should be accounted for their crime. The fact that you do not think of it as a crime is your subjective opinion, the law says otherwise.

> people who know a bit of history
A subtle insult designed to elevate your self,not gonna fly here.
>(...) will know it sometimes crosses over with genocide so basically implication will always be there
Sometimes needs to be accentuated here. In this case it does not cross over with genocide, a Venn diagram without overlapping. You are implicating that enforcing the law is somehow genocidal in this case,which is not.

>I don't think 'enforcing the law' fits the tragedy and the potential humanitarian disaster of deporting 11 million, because Justice should work for the bigger picture of making peace between tribes.
Such a long and superfluous sentence. Lets break it down.
>fits the tragedy
You subjectively described it as a tragedy.
>potential humanitarian disaster of deporting 11 million
USA law enforcement is equipped/manned well enough to carry through deportations without a disaster happening. You presuming it would happen although there is no reason for that outcome, is another,pathological, problem.

>because Justice should work for the bigger picture of making peace between tribes.
>Justice is an entity
You do know that we already have that "brand" of "justice", its called international law. How would you regulate immigration without these laws? Dont you think nation state has borders and immigration norms for a reason or you think that is there "to divide and conquer"?

>It's time to back into your straight jacket.I didn't say that.
No, but you implied it.

>Your psychosis is irritating and it should not be my problem.
Kek,your jimmies are rustled,mine are not. Thanks for the laugh.

>>138196911
>Biker bar
Literally more likely to be filled with Natsocs or skinheads you fucking retard

>>138188569
it's to butt fuck little punks like you

>>138203879
>Basicly fascism means stronger gov.
>You have hitler style that abolishes democracy.
>There is also oswald mosley style that advocates democratic fascism:

There were a lot of varieties of fascism all over Europe.
Zionism was the only one that achieved it's objectives.
The other fascisms failed to understand how much everyone else would react against them and why.
Zionism won because the British had colonised Palestine and didn't have much will to keep hold of the old colonies anymore.
(British colonialism was mercantile and sensitive to becoming so unpopular it would get rejected by markets.)

>So can anybody please explain the goal and purpose of facism?

Centralized governmemt and the usurpation of individual identity.

>>138188569
Well, I am not a fascist so i don't fucking know, but what is the end game of anarchism?

>>138194652
>implying that's not hot.

>>138207132
>>138207132
>There were a lot of varieties of fascism all over Europe.
First correct statement you made in this thread.Congrats.

>Zionism was the only one that achieved it's objectives.
Not true. Herzl's Zionism has met a political goal of establishing a Jewish nation-state. Zionism today has branched out in many different forms with various goals after Israel was formed, Israel still has not established a hegemony in the Middle East or Greater Israel.
Also,
>fascism=zionism
Zionism is an national movement,not a brand of fascism.
>The other fascisms failed to understand how much everyone else would react against them and why.
How about you post some historiographic evidence for your claim? From what I have read and studied, fascist regimes around the globe had their own explanations why the status quo would be opposed to them.

>Zionism won because the British had colonised Palestine and didn't have much will to keep hold of the old colonies anymore.
Now you are just showing off your ignorance. That is historically inaccurate, visit Wikipedia for a rebuttal.
>British colonialism was mercantile and sensitive to becoming so unpopular it would get rejected by markets.
It was mercantile,but the other half of the sentence is ,again, inaccurate.Again,I refer you to Wikipedia.

Did you ever hear of Balfour Declaration? Do you know what Irgun is? Did you hear about McMahon–Hussein correspondence? You are either baiting at this point or just a flat out retard.

>>138205943
>Kek,your jimmies are rustled,mine are not.

Some of your points are interesting, but that misrepresentation was psychotic, like someone who does too much amphetamines and thinks everyone with an Irish accent is going to plant a bomb for the IRA or something.

>>138188569
Faschistisch ist ein System, das sich auf der Grundlage eines Männerbundes in den Dienst einer höheren Idee stellt.

Overcompensating for the toxic combination of autism and micropenis. Real Nazis and Fascists are dead - all there is now are /pol/ and stormfag LARPers who cry and shit themselves when the rounds go live

>>138210478
>Some of your points are interesting, but that misrepresentation was psychotic, like someone who does too much amphetamines and thinks everyone with an Irish accent is going to plant a bomb for the IRA or something.

You typed an awful lot of words for an ad hominem and a refusal to counter/answer any point I raised. Also, did you forget that you misrepresented law enforcement for ethnic cleansing/forced mass relocation/genocide? Who is psychotic here? Me or you?
>>138210728
And this is another great contribution to the thread. Bravo antifa, you have shown your tolerance and love of free speech once more. Also, isnt a majority of antifa pro gun prohibition? Wouldnt that mean that you would be the side shitting in their pants when the rounds go live?

>>138211858
>You typed an awful lot of words for an ad hominem and a refusal to counter/answer any point I raised.

Lying about what I said is either disingenuous or psychotic.
It puts answering your other points much lower down on my 'to do list' and also means I'd have to carefully research everything you said because you distort things.

Not on a sunny Saturday, the thread will be dead by the time I've looked into other points you made.

>>138188569
What is the goal of anarchy? It always leads to incredible violence.

>>138212704
>Lying about what I said is either disingenuous or psychotic.
So its my fault that you do not understand the phrase "you are saying" that I used. I could have easily used "you are implying" instead of it,which I did in this post >>138205943
Why are you clinging to it so hard? It does not nullify my other points. That is not how discourse works.

>It puts answering your other points much lower down on my 'to do list' and also means I'd have to carefully research everything you said because you distort things.
No matter how you put it, you are literally making up excuses not to go into a debate with me since you would be proven wrong and ,if you are semi-reasonable, change your worldview/stance/opinion on the topic at hand. You can easily check any of the facts I referred to with a mouse click or two and if you were so diligent in the first place, you wouldnt be corrected by me in this short exchange.

>Not on a sunny Saturday, the thread will be dead by the time I've looked into other points you made.
You could answer my points in any of your previous posts ( including this one ),but you chose not to. You are a simpleton if you need days/weeks of preparation to answer/counter a few points in your field of interest.

TLDR;
Whatever makes you fall asleep easier at night my red friend.

>>138196130
Everyone is a potential fascist. Power always corrupts. There are no exceptions.
Commies literally don't get this.

>>138198519
>It's one of the biggest attempted ethnic cleanings in history.

I don't see people dying en masse. I see going back to their home country. Funny thing is their home is shit and fell apart from government corruption.

Please link me someone in power actually advocating genocide of Mexicans in the current year. I'd love to see actual proof of your hysterical tyraids.

The sad part is you won't even realize how much you're already being lied to that the biggest culprit will hurt you the most, which is you're lying to yourself about all this.

You are the opposite side of the coin against the fascists you claim to despise. Your uninformed hatred in reality is what helps them justify their existence. I hope you know that.

>>138188569
All we want is to play our video games in peace.

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>>138188569
Yes.