As you all know things here in the US are looking somewhat scary.

>>138174977
Guns for absolute noob:

Glock

>>138174977
depends on whether u lean left or right op.

i have a p2000, two p2000sk's (a 9mm and a .40 s&w i got to drop in a factory hk .357 sig barrel).

>>138174977
H&K tends to be quite expensive, they are nice and reliable. they are quite expensive and intricate. I'm seconding anon with Glock, or if you want something more Robust you can't go wrong with the Beretta 92

>giving money to civilian hating german gunkikes

Fuck H&K, buy american.

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>>138174977
Bunch of fagots up in this thread. You KNOW you want to fight these little bitches just like this.

>>138174977
As far as I've read, 7.62 absolutely destroys tissue and bone, and generally incapacitates in one shot... it may be decent for home defense.

Handguns are for pussies. Get an AR-15, AK, or 870.

>>138175214
Its not a matter of left or right for me people are getting to crazy.

I dont wat to actully kill anyone so a 9mm is more ideal but maybe i should spring for a .40+?

>>138175453
7.62×51mm does. 7.62×39mm is total dogshit round and ballistically inferior to near every single modern bullet. 5.45×39mm is advantageous over 5.56×45mm.
>>138174977
Get something easy to shoot with abundant ammunition. Like an old school battle rifle that can be drug through mud and blood like an FAL, an all rounder AR-15, or a glock.

>>138175815
Have you taken a look at how 8M3 ammo performs on human targets?

>>138175483
>I dont wat to actully kill anyone
Then run and hide. If you draw a gun and threaten someone with it you could go to jail and if you fail to kill your attacker he will lie to a jury and you will go to jail for a very long time.

>>138175483
There is no appreciable different in "killing power" between 9mm and .40, infact .40 is so close in power that .40 offers nothing 9mm doesnt already offers and comes with the cost of less magazine capacity. If you dont want to kill anyone, dont get a gun.

>>138175815
Dude, i dont need a million rounds im not any kind of nazi or antifa faggots. All yoy mother fuckers are crazy i just need a few good pops for when one of the dumb niggers enters my home.

>>138175041
fpbp - This.

Glock 9mm G17

>>138174977
Watch this fucking video OP, and don't skimp on anything that it tells you to do if you're serious about protecting your family..

>>138175041
Yup, Glocks are good for noobs.
Simple and they just work.
I'd hate for them to fuck up a really nice expensive pistol.

>>138176108
Forgot the link because I'm a subhuman.
https://youtu.be/199Wpskwa3k

>>138176098
Shotgun for home defense.
You can get a basic one for 250

>>138174977
Go with an HK. I have had my USP compact for 7 years now as a carry. I've put over 10K rounds through it and it still fires the same as it did when I first bought it. So either a P2000 or USPc would be my recommendation.

Glocks are for niggers and the safety switch is retarded.

>>138175483
>I dont wat to actully kill anyone
Oh go fuck off then. Personal defense is not for you.

>>138174977
Buy a semi-auto rifle.

>>138175214
>>138174977
Fuck all that and think simple:

>12 ga remington for home defense
>.223 AR15 Colt for everything else
>.45 glock if you plan on concealed carry

Get a gun that fires easily acquired ammo + has commonly available parts.Not a fan of 9mm but it has it's advantages.


One piece of advice: No ninja shit. Don't waste your money on gimmicks. I've killed a few people in my life (legally) in the sandbox. All were done with a .223 carbine . No ninja shit; just 77gr of dead fuck.

This is helpful info as a new gun faggot

>>138174977
And Glock for carry.

>>138175815
Good luck getting through class IV armor with that little 5.56, kid.

>>138176064
Didn't a government agency order a retarded amount of .40 during the Obama years? I've been wondering if it would become a staple.

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>>138174977
What the fuck are you talking about? The rest of us in the real world are going about our lives. Seriously, you guys need to leave your basements once in a while.

>>138174977

P2000 is a good weapon. But if you plan on getting a semi-auto handgun, I would suggest some sort of training/instruction, even if informal.

>>138176064
"There is no appreciable different in "killing power"

That goes for pretty much any round, in fact I heard that .22s tend to be the deadliest because people tend to get more rounds on their target.

>>138176098
You'll need more than a few good pops when the war starts.

>>138174977
thoughts on sr22?

>>138176403
Shot placement is king.

>>138176288

.40 Smith and Wesson has been a staple in the law enforcement community for nearly two decades now.

>>138176344
KEK speaks

>>138174977
Handgun: Glock
Rifle: Mosen Nagant and mod the shit out of it
Overkill: S&W 500

If you're handy and have a Dremel get a M31 Suomi off the net

>>138176544
No idea. Just remember reading an article about a government agency buying enough .40 to fight a small war. Millions of rounds.

>>138176275
Headshot, commie. Some of us aim for the face and fire many rounds when doing so.

>>138175933
>hollow point for a high velocity rifle
Why not just get steel core across the board for multiple applications or just upgrade to a fuckin 7.62x51mm battle rifle. If shit hits the fan you will need to worry about more things than just niggers.
>>138176098
Human beings can be very resilient. Handguns are for last resort, concealable, reliable encounters for one or two assailants.
>>138176275
Class IV just like any other body armor is compromised after a singular shot. 5.56 is made for rapid follow ups. That shit is rated to be safe against a SINGULAR 7.62x51mm.

>>138176288
Several departments bought into the .40 meme. In the end all it amounts to is them paying more expensive ammo contracts to get the same ballistic performance.

>>138175815
22 rifle with 25 rd clip,red-dot sight.
26 rds is great and a 22 rifle is great for newbies.

okay, i had no idea this place doesnt have auto-update on by default like the other chan ive frequented for years- slowly making a comeback here. i was wondering why this thread was dead.

>>138175217
HK's are NOT expensive. They USED to be with their old price model, and infact some of their older models (p2000 being one) are still priced high. Whereas their newer models such as the VP9 and VP9sk are priced a couple dollars more than a glock. Perfectly affordable for a superiorly manufactured product, though it always depends on the shooters skill.

>>138175217
the only american handguns i'd buy are revolvers like the s&w 686 or ruger gp100, i'm not a fan of the old mans favorite- the 1911.

>>138175453
the fuck r u talking about? he wants a handgun.

>>138175483
9mm. make sure the gun handles +p (plus pressure) loads and get good defensive ammo such as speer gold dots, federal hst, or winchester ranger/winchester pdx. I've shot thousands of +p and +p+ loads out of my p2000sk without a hiccup, it'll handle it fine.

>>138176687
I highly doubt these leftist faggots are going to 'raid' my or anyones home, we are not to the point of war quite yet.

5.56 is cheap, 7.62 has more power but kicks like a mule, .300 is a middle ground. AR-15's are simple, common and work well if you treat it right. Mosin's can go for $100. Shotgun's can go for $200, get a Remington or a mossberg if you're a lefty. .45 acp is good for concealef carry, but get 5.7 if you want armour penetration. Avoid .22lr and 9mm, they're cheap as hell, but only good for varmints. Or you could go with a garand through the cmp.

>>138176914
Niggers are already attacking people due to political motivation, let alone their staggering rates of robbery. Leftists themselves will cower but you have to acknowledge those that will not.

>>138176555
praise be

>>138175815
7.62x54 master race

This is all very helpful thank you anons :)

>>138176368
THIS!!!!

>>138176403
shut up- dont carry a .22 op. carry a 9mm. Infact ive been VERY impressed with the .380 acp lately. i've seen it handle people first hand more than once and it did damn fine. im blown away impressed by it. in the future the .380 will be the new 9mm imho

>>138176533
fun range gun, but nothing else. make hit some squirrels and shit with it, couple cans.

>>138176544
the fbi dropped it last year. Go with the 9mm+p anon.

>>138176533
It's a good handgun but .22 is woefully inadequate for self-defense.

If you liked the feel of the SR22 you should look into it's big brother the SR9.

>>138177111
Oh shit do you have a Dragonov?

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/k/ here. I own several firearms and can tell you with confidence that most of the posters here are bullshitting you. First of all you should have posted this thread on /k/. /pol/ is full of Cowa Doody kids with no gun experience. The single, best handgun you can possibly own is a Colt .45 ACP M1911. It's good for concealed carry (observing State laws of course), it has a good stopping power, and the icing on the cake is: it's very patriotic. I do not recommend 9mm or 10mm for self defense. 9mm is too small and won't stop a determined robber to take your belongings and your life. 10mm has the same problem, but because it's too fast, not because it's too small. Revolvers are not ideal for someone who has never shot a gun. For home defense, you'll want a shotgun. A short barrelled R870 any cartridge works best, again, the icing on the cake is it's the most patriotic shotgun you can have. But read your State's Castle law before you decide you're going to take some nigger's life. However, keep in mind that the most important thing of all, and pay attention to this, this is really important, is that the gun you're using makes very little difference in the moment of truth... What is important is training. Train a lot, there are plenty of training courses everywhere in America. You'll know how to act calmly and efficiently when the time comes. If you don't, when the time comes, you'll sperg out, fuck up and possibly die as well. Look for self defense courses, take part in some of them.

>>138176275
Those plates fail after a couple of shots.Plus, they don't really cover much and guy/groin shots work fine.
Y'know you lefties are pretty naive for people who want to start a violent revolution with a bunch of trannies and granny feminists who don't know shit about firearms and ,ironically, wish to ban them.

>>138177301
Another /k/ommando here, this guy is mostly full of shit too.

He's one hundred percent right about the training and the fact that any reliable gun is as good as any other if you know how to use it.

Shotguns are fucking terrible for new shooters though, if you're going to buy a long gun for home defense buy an AR 15 of pistol caliber carbine.

>>138177239
Heavily modded nugget. Among other funs

>>138177532
But is it obrez'd?

>>138177201
>shut up- dont carry a .22 op. carry a 9mm. Infact ive been VERY impressed with the .380 acp lately. i've seen it handle people first hand more than once and it did damn fine. im blown away impressed by it. in the future the .380 will be the new 9mm imho


I daily carry a .45 USPc, but I'm not going to sit here and circle jerk about how much more powerful a .45 is because te ammo has 35% more grain...... Logically speaking, a .22 has far less recoil, giving the shooter a way higher chance of getting rounds to the desired target. Also, when we are talking about hand guns, we ar me generally not concerned with piercing body armor, therefore the actual power of the round is null. If it can pierce flesh and fracture bone, it's just as good as the next one.

>>138177301
This was the moat helpful and i will tell you im just a regular christian.

All i want is to protect my home and family if need be.

>>138177623
Why?! Why would you do that? Sawed off shotgun? Sure. But a rifle? Just why?

>>138177301


>The single, best handgun you can possibly own is a Colt .45 ACP M1911

If you really were a firearms expert you'd know there isn't a "single best handgun you could own". Different tools for different things. Also, what if OP has weak wrists or something?

Surely if you can't handle a .45 it wouldn't a best gun to them,would it?

>>138177301
nooooooooooooo!!!! not a 1911 u old man. its a fucking brick! and its massive- u cant conceal that shit easily unless ur a fat fuck. the ammo's more expensive and theres nothing a .45 can do that a modern 9mm +p cant!

they do look nice though, ill give it that. they're quite the lookers.

>>138177201
.380 has come a long way especially with these new fluted rounds. They penetrate much better which is more important since .380 doesnt typically have the velocity to expand and penetrate to viable depths.

I carry a .380 makarov loaded with these
https://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-penetrator

>>138177668
>Being this wrong
If a cartridge doesn't reach (or massively exceeds) the FBI minimum standards of ballistic gel it's unironically shit for reliable self-defense.

The real question is how much expansion you can get out of the round without sacrificing too much penetration or shootability.

>>138177500
AR-15 is a long gun. You can't move it around a house with as much comfort as you can with shorter guns. There are plenty of shotguns shorter than MP5s. A sawed off R870 is the most recommended home defense weapon in America for good reason. The pumping of the shotgun, the "click clack" sound, has tremendous psychological impact on home breakers. On the dark of the night, the criminal hears this sudden whispering, saying 'you're gonna die a very painful and gruesome death, motherfucker'. AR-15s are fun, great and patriotic, but useless for home defense.
>>138177794
I was talking about self and home defense. It's generally agreed M1911 is best when it comes to both carry & home defense. There are plenty of guns for all kinds of people but that's the bread and butter of self defense. I carry a Magnum but it's because I live in bear country.

>>138177201
>shut up- dont carry a .22 op.
At close enough range, a .22 has enough power to punch through one side of the skull but not the other, meaning it's gonna bounce around inside for a bit.

>>138177770
Because if you can't see and your enemy can't see after the fireball then no one can be killed. A 2ft shot spread at 10 yards isn't that bad.

>>138177402
Communists aren't liberals.

Join us on r/SocialistRA and see for yourself. We'll counter your shitty RWDS easily enough. We may not be as practically-trained as you for now, but we have the numbers.

I'd take 75% of advice with caution OP. The fact that people are talking about stopping power and penetrating power is a sign that their are a lot of noobs in this thread.

It doesn't matter that you are a gun noob, get the handgun that YOU want to get and make sure you practice with it. The HK will retain its value if you keep it clean and oiled.

>>138177668
this is all theoretical. most self defense shootings are done with in a matter of seconds!! under 5 seconds at most, fuck the more holes cuz of the recoil idea, this isnt sniping. 9mm gives u the best mix. its got a decent bullet weight, they travel hot in +p loads, theyve got great penetration and modern hollow points open just fine, you've got plenty of ammo to get a hit or two or three or more in and if and when u do its a good sized hole.

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>>138178068
>we have the numbers.
Not for long

>>138175483
get tazer knuckles then, shocking punch to the face guys down. Make sure to be fast in combat

>>138177668
Pretty true.
My wife carries a bobcat .22 and can empty it in seconds into a watermelon. So I doubt some attackers going to fuck with her with a bunch of those flying into his face.

I'd never use a 25 acp though. A LEO friend of mine went to a domestic call once and a woman off her meds had shot her husband twice in the head with a 25. Both rounds failed to penetrate the skull and just kind of skipped up the skin and exited.

>>138178161
This reminds me of something important. The best gun you can own is the one you feel comfortable with. Some people are strong and can handle the recoil of a Desert Eagle or a revolver. Others prefer their handguns small, agile and light. Whatever makes you feel safer and more confident is the best. That's the second most important thing, after home defense and self defense training.

>>138178068
Dude you realize any former military who have actually seen combat and killed people will be fighting you right? I personally know two snipers, one of which was eliminating the deck of 52 and doing security for vips under 3 letter agencies, and the other was a Marine Recon sniper. That hick that you casually see driving a truck with a Marine Corps and punisher sticker has killed people in a sleepy stupor at 500 yards in his boxers and sandles then went back to bed. Reality is freakier than fiction.

>>138178177
Honestly, in convinced that round size does not matter, it's how many shots you land on your target. Regardless, I don't understand why their is so much hate for a .22. It's going to kill an unarmored target just as good as the next round, if they actually hit their target.

>>138177994
Dude. No.

>>138178372
The military aren't nazis. They won't join you on the pretense that you feel superior to other races.

The medias and the government will show everyone how you really are: murderous dangerous savages that want to bring the US back to the Stone Ages with your "master race" delirium.
No one buys into your "anti-commie" propaganda. Modern communism has nothing to do with Sovietism.

Basically everyone is against you besides a few white power LARPers.

>>138178308
I have had .25acp fail to drop coons with shots placed into the lungs. Its a shit round that only offers primer reliability as a centerfire round over .22.
I still carry my .25acp pistol since its half the size of my wallet so it makes a convenient backup pistol.

>>138178068
can't we all just rally around the idea that progressives and liberals are retarded and need to be euthanized?

>>138178526
im not hating desu, a .22 will take out a deer if u get a good shot in. i just dont think its a practical approach to take for self defense. u dont always have the luxury of shot placement and being able to dump 9mm centermass is a lot easier.

>>138178597
>bring the US back to the Stone Ages with your "master race" delirium.


Whites are who brought people out of the Stone Age, through all of the other ages, and where we are now.

Quit Larping as if you were actually a shill.

>>138178581
Merely a joke.
>>138178597
Nazis aren't willing to raid military homes. You are disconnected with reality. The average GI Joe will not shoot a guy for waving a flag but will shoot a nig for looting. Latinos who have served have the exact same mentality dude.

You shoot to kill. Once a nigger's been pumped with enough lead, they loose any disguise of humanity and will go completely savage. It's you or him. He lives, he's gonna wanna make you pay for it, and he'll get blm and antifa to back him up. Don't stop till his head's pulp. It's much better to send your family to therapy for seeing that rather than getting raped. 'Murica.

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Hello /pol/, this is a true fucking story.

>I work nights, 7pm to 7am, was not home when this happened
>live at home with my older and younger brother after my dad died, my mom re married and moved out, left his extensive gun collection to my older brother
>process servers show up to serve my older brother papers for a bill he has been disputing for months, he says he's not going to deal with it right now, not going outside
>younger brother is massive deadbeat drugwad (another story for another time) with schizophrenia, sees this people and goes outside
>asks them who they are and what they want, they won't answer, asks them to leave, they won't
>situation escalates, gets physical
>older brother just wants to go to bed, lights a black cat firework and throws it outside to try and scare them off
>process servers call police and say he shot a gun at them
>14 cop cars show up and arrest both my older and younger brother
>older brother calls me from jail and asks me to secure his dog before cops show up
>have to literally bail out of work early for no reason, almost got fired
>get home, sheriffs blocking my driveway and won't let me in, say they don't have warrant yet but are "securing the property"
>eventually let me get dog
>take literally like 40 guns out of the house
>charging my older bro with a felony
>for allegedly shooting a gun off
>on his own property

Not gonna give too many more details, but holy shit, all these trumptards sucking cops dicks are fucked.

>>138179543
>blaming the cops when your family are degenerate losers

Gas yourself my man

>>138177978
Holy shit grandpa go to bed.

The absolute shortest shotgun you can legally buy without sacrificing your first born child to the ATF is at the very least 2" longer than the shortest rifle you can buy.

Pump action shotguns require manual manipulation of the pump which can easily be fumbled and result in user induced failure, often come with stocks that have far too long of a LOP for properly "squaring up" to a target, and defensive shotgun loads are fucking brutal to teach new shooters on. You have to keep shotguns without a round chambered not for the meme reason you gave but because none of them are drop safe. Reloads are going to be slow as fuck and the sights are invariably going to be garbage.

Compare that to the sheer user friendly simplicity of the AR 15. OP could throw a 30 round magazine in the gun, chamber a round, flick on the saftey and leave it in his closet until the day came that he needed it. He could even buy a nice optic to throw on the rifle to take away most of the difficulty in firing accurately under stress. Literally any ammo he buys will be suitable for self-defense and as long as he can manage the nearly non existent recoil of the .223 well enough to land a shot or two on target then he'll be fine.

>>138179543
who cares

Just remember, nigger's skulls are thicker than a person's, keep that in mind when you choose the right ammo to crack them open

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>>138179661
>siding with the cops taking guns from law abiding citizens

nice meme. the alt left appreciates your support.

>>138174977
Tonight... you pukes will sleep with your rifles! You will give your rifle a girl's name! Because this is the only pussy you people are going to get! Your days of finger-banging old Mary Jane Rottencrotch through her pretty pink panties are over! You're married to this piece, this weapon of iron and wood! And you will be faithful!

>>138179667
ive never fucked with shotguns- only rifles, handguns and recently been on a revolver binge.

whats ur opinion on these autoloading shotguns like the vepr? better than a pump action?

>>138178597
Read up on the Spanish Civil War buttercup, your ilk will demonize everything right of Hillary so much that they'll ally with the Nazis just because they don't smash their children in the heads with bricks for being white.

>>138179818
With out me my rifle is useless. With out my rifle I am useless.

>>138179818
Haha ok i think you have drank a little to much, take a nap now :)

>>138179875
I heard the vepr as well as the arsenal saiga 12 require adjusting the spring to each load you want to pump through. No easy switching between birdshot, buck, or magnum slugs.

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>>138179982
Well, pilgrim, only after you eat the peanuts out of my shit!

>>138176682
>head shot
>not groin shot

Easier to hit and will cause a fucker to bleed out on about a minute

>>138179875
Get either an M3 or an FN SLP

>>138176105
this

>>138179787
>has druggie family that doesnt pay debts
>refuses to take responsibility for own actions

Sounds like youre the leftist friend.

>>138179875
There's nothing wrong with pump actions, I actually have one as my home defense weapon. It's just a terrible gun to recommend to newfags.

To answer your question, magazine fed 12 gauges are going to be inherently kind of finicky due to the fact that the vast majority of 12 gauge ammo has a plastic hull that has the possibility to deform under the weight and spring tension applied to it by a magazine, though the Veprs go a long way to mitigate this and I imagine drum mags wouldn't really deform shells in the same way.

If you just want a fun gun/gun for hunting and sport then I would definitely recommend the Vepr, but there's a reason why our military and every high level 3 gun competitior use Berettas and Benellis instead.

>>138180118
fuckin badass!

ive always heard great things about benelli and thought they looked sexy as fuck (like weatherby's) but again- no experience with shotguns, i didnt know they made an autoloader. As for FN, anything they make is top notch. Thanks!

Whats the "best" guage for self defense that every usually raves about these days?

>>138174977
That looks like your stereotypical pig sticker.

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>>138180239
My actions? Being at work? I want that little faggot out of my house more than anything, turns out I am renting at the moment and don't get to make those decisions.

The fact of the matter is no crime was committed, black cats are legal where I am, police raided my property and took my older brothers and my firearms (even though I was not there and was involved in no way whatsoever) because they were high on adrenaline. I literally went to work, came home, my guns were gone. According to your sound logic, it's because I'm a criminal.

You are 100% fucked.

>>138180110
This. Shooting around the belly button will ensure complete incapacitation since gut shots are agonizing and getting shot anywhere in the pelvis will ensure they wont be able to move or they'll just bleed out in minutes.

>>138180493
Why don't you ask about getting your guns back you fucking autist? Move out of your home and get a restraining order on your brother to prove he won't have access to them.

Unless you chimped out and screamed and cursed at the cops like you probably did.

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>>138180757

>>138180460
I mean there's always the KS-23 lol. The smaller the number, the bigger the gauge. Bigger gauge is more stopping power, but more kick and less ammo. 12 guage is good and common, 10 gauge magnum or higher will obliterate anything

>>138180928
I'm serious, if he wasn't charged with any crimes then he can likely petition to get his property back after his brother is acquitted or convicted or whatever.

>>138180493
>throwing firecrackers at people with intent to terrorize
>not at mimimum simple assault

Your family are degenerates and being unarmed will make it easier for you to be rightfully gassed

>>138180544
>implies that a slow death from blood loss will ensure his personal safety during the split reflex fate deciding armed encounter

>>138180928
Dude wasn't there a wrapper for the black cats? You should have also asked them to do ballistics. Asked for any casings. Then proclaim to acquire the most jewish lawyer in the county.

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>>138180757
It's obvious I'm dealing with an extreme case here, but for the 9th time, I was not at the house when this happened.

>asking for your guns back

Holy shit, why didn't I think of that?

Are you fucking serious dude? Tell me that you are serious. I had another friend of mine volunteer a rifle for a case that was not indicted in whatsoever because he "loves the police" in order to nail down their suspect.

They didn't even get the guy. 3. Fucking. Years.

You think you just walk down to the evidence dept and ask for guns? It's pretty clear you don't even own a fucking gun.

Kill yourself, my man.

>>138181026
>assaulting people soliciting and harassing on your property

>>138175041
YOU MEAN A GLOCKNADE?

T. /K/OMMANDO

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Would a snubnose revolver be okay for home defense? I'm from Los Angeles btw

>won't scare the gf
>looks aesthetic
>less likely to magdump because would probably go to prison for shooting a home intruder

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>>138181026
>people showing up to my property and harassing us and not identifying themselves or saying why they are there when asked
>they are asked to leave, and won't
>end up getting violent
>defending yourself is a bad thing

I didn't realize the gun owners were alt leftists all the sudden. You fucking jackboot dicksuckers are a real class act, say one thing, mean the other.

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>>138176608
>Mosen Nagant and mod the shit out of it
>and mod the shit out of it
hang yourself

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>>138174977

home defense: shotgun. get a standard mossberg 500. cheap and never breaks. put a light on it for bumps in the night. keep it by the bed. done. ur welcome.

>>138181425
Cause your from CA I gotta remind you. Don't. Put. Your. Hands. In. Front. Of. The. Grip. There's a gap between the cylinder and barrel, if you put your fingers there, firing it will blow them off and shred them. Other than that, get a decent sized caliber, and keep in mind you need to be point blank for that to work. Try different barrels at a range, and find the longest distance in your house. If you can hit a torso sized target at that range, use that barrel.

>>138181629
Damn right. 590's work too. But the 500/590 series is solid all around.

>>138181339
>being on other peoples property in a lawful manner means you can be assaulted

>>138181431
>claims brother knew they were bill collectors and intentionally avoided them
>then claims they are unidentifiable tresspassers

You cant even keep your phoney story up. White niggers such as yourself shouldnt be armed.

>USP
Today OP was not a fag or poor

>>138180460
The beauty of the M3 is it's convertible, both seni and pump. Ditch the M4/M1014 and the Nova. The M3 has it all.

>>138181425
not really. snubbies were designed to be concealable (or as a backup) so theyre kinda snappy in recoil.

If you're gonna go with a revolver for home defense go with a medium (or large) frame revolver that holds 6-8 rounds. Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 are good examples. Theyre large and heavy so they handle recoil well, especially with magnum loads.

snubbies will hold less rounds, the recoil is tremendous and theyre not as accurate because of the length from the front sight to the rear, they also dont have an adjustable rear sight.

>>138181629
If you got less than $500, a 350 mossberg 500 with a $100 light attatchment and $50 worth of shells is alright

Attatch the short barrel and learn how to shoot 0 or 00 buck accurately up to 25m. You should be able to master that with 1 day at the range.

>>138182007
forgot to add, since its home defense go with a 4" barrel.

>>138181898
when they finally left they handed my little brother the papers which is why we know why they were there.

Autists such as you shouldn't even have an internet connection.

>>138176682
>Some of us aim for the face
CS:GO veterans at least. Shots usually wander upwards, and people tend to aim higher. No wonder militaries teach to aim for the centre of mass.

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>>138181281
>Hurrr you don't even have a gun
I explicitly stated that you could petition for your guns back AFTER your brothers trial you fucking subhuman.

>>138181425
No, snubnose revolvers are uncomfortable as fuck to shoot. If it's going to be solely for home defense then get a full size revolver like a 686 or GP100 as the weight helps counteract the recoil.

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>>138182139
I should add, my older brother had a hunch who they were, but they definitely never identified themselves, the entire thing is on tape. But by all means, support the police barging in and taking guns away.

What is a good .45 ACP beginner / reliable pistol?

>>138182180
Oh, thanks bro, so in the meantime I am just unjustifiably stripped of my firearms for an arbitrary amount of time. Seems like a pretty good deal.

OP SHOULD JUST START WATCHING YOUTUBE VIDS AND BUY A DECENT AR15 PLUS 1000 ROUNDS OF AMMO DESU SENPAI

Thats honestly all it takes to join the militia: obtain 5.56mm semi auto rifle, learn to clean it etc, buy ammo and practice, be able to deal with any single man threat relatively speaking.

>>138182272
1911s, XDs, CZ75 and its various clones, glocks

>>138182272
The HK45c, USP, 1911, P226, various glocks, etc are all good.

>>138182272
HK45, HK45c

>>138182347
Try not being related to a literal nigger who thinks throwing fireworks at people is legitimate "I was in fear for my life" self-defense.

>>138182403
^ this guys list is better than mine

who would need a gun when you can have a rape alarm?

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>>138174977
I've got a P2000 with an LEM trigger. I can't complain, its pretty damn nice. They conceal a bit better than other comparable compacts due to the grip angle.

Buy plenty of ammo. Practice dry firing every single day. Try to put a couple hundred rounds down range every single month. You need to master proper trigger control first and foremost. Once you've got the basics down start doing dot drills, and get involved in an IPSC or IDPA circuit in your area. Take courses if you can afford it.

Simply owning the gun isn't enough, you need the skills.

>>138175041
I shoot IDPA with my Glock.

I've got an m&p shield and an sks

>>138176825
H&K's new in CA can easily run 700-1200 compared to glocks hovering around 500-700

I should get my FFL and join the business one day. How much do shitposts on 4chan come up for those interviews?lol

>>138182508
America isn't Rhodesia, we don't like getting raped by niggers, unlike you brits.

>>138182253
That shopped?

>>138182403
USP is better in 9mm caliber, because in the real world mag capacity trumps stopping power

>>138182272
Glock 21

USP45(more expensive, more durable/reliable)

>>138182582
you're trying too hard kiddo

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>>138182508

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>>138182459
>throwing a firework is worth having the police raid your house and take firearms

Why not just come out as an opponent of the 2nd amendment instead of saying shit that is so retarded it hurts to read?

>>138174977
> have never owned a fire arm before
What kind of yank are you?

>>138182583
Nope she is a jewish brainwashed whore.

>>138182698
You guys gotta learn how to kill niggers before they take you over ompletely. Put down your tea and pick up your L85's.

>>138182548
okay op, i do have to admit, go with the LEM over DA/SA like this guy did, i converted mine to V1 from V2 and loved it (i have v4.1 atm- even better)

>>138182567
just buy online and have it shipped to an ffl

>>138182718
lmao post all the pictures of your brother you want faggot, won't get you your guns back.

>>138182933
at least you openly admit you don't like the second amendment, now your arguments make sense. thanks.

>>138176134
Married and mother of six yr old boy here. Gotta Glock 42 which I love it is light to carry ( ccp holder ) and very little kickback when I shoot

>>138182836
ive heard there isnt a british soldier around that likes the damn thing

>>138182982
I wish the second amendment applied to everybody (even literal niggers and communists) except you tbqh.

>>138182472
>>138182626
He said 45

If he got money and want full size, go Collateral style USP 45

If he want budget, glock 21 probably

If he want accuracy(trigger is nice) then 1911

>>138183085
Yeah, augs are better. Go back to the fal or lenfield lmao

>>138183085
That was the L85a1 which was a jamming piece of shit. L85a2 is supposed to be the godsend to bullpups. Any bongs want to chime in on this? Or rich Americans?

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>>138182403
>1911
Can't we just let this meme die?

>>138183230
A2's are decent, but not even the germans could fix it. It was designed by people with no previous experience, and it shows. The aug is the godsend to all rifles.

>>138176064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8YR85lEsGk
i don't know what the solution is but 9mm is basically pointless

>>138183172
Glock 21s are pretty sweet considering what they offer. 13 rounds in a flush-ish mag. Cheap baseplate extensions can get you an additional 2-3 rounds.

Hk makes some fantastic handguns, but they're not competing when it comes to mag capacity.

>>138183355
5.7x28 or .357 sig. Or just. 45. Or go the extra mile and get .50 AE

>>138183119
Well, I hope you get some help. If things ever did get dire it's clear no one would ever accept you because of how you are, you find fault with anyone that ever interacts with you, logic and concrete info thrown to the wayside. Just personal mental illness.

DESU it's fucking scary you have a gun.

>>138183308
>mfw too much money
I'll buy an FAL before a bullpup. I wish I had the capital t make shitpost videos with beautiful guns like Carnikcon.

28 years of gun knowledge here.
If you are going to carry that P2000...thats too big.

The point of owning a gun is you have it on you all the time. Get something smaller you will carry ALL the time.

Cheap but good:
Taurus G2 (cheap, small, thin, holds 12 9mm)
Taurus TCP 380 (if you need the smallest)

Tried & True:
Glock 43 or 26 (Reliable as FUCK, best one on here because you can put a 30 round mag in the 26)

M&P Shield (cheap but same glock reliability)

Expensive but if you got it:
-HK VP9SK (smaller p2000) Still on the heavy side mate.

I own the Sub-Compact P2000, its a big gun and holds 10. I suggest something in 9mm like the above.

Live in city: Glock 43
Live ouside city or rural: Glock 26

Thats my pick

I live in upstate jew york, in fucked. This is an antigun state. So when the SHTF remember to raid destroy this dumpnits unarmed and weak

>>138183355
Striking the upper CNS is the only way to cause reliable rapid physiological incapacitation. If you fail to strike CNS tissue the target can continue to pose a threat until they succumb to blood loss.

There is no appreciable difference in wounding potential between the common duty cartridges.
How well you shoot matters far more than what you're shooting.

>>138174977
I am living in Denmark. That is what I do.

>>138182753
Is that recent or like months/years ago??

28 here again:

If this is a housegun, get the GLOCK 17.

Again you have a 30 round magazine infinite cheap accessories you can get, and it's accurate as hell.

The P30/P2000/VP9 from HK (they are exceptional guns) are obviously also good for home defense, but the 30 round mags for those aren't easy to find.

Still feel like glock but if you need it for home either suffice.

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>>138183505
Former dealer - ama

>>138183647
Like ~2 years ago? She ha pics showing vag and bush, not full canoli spread but good enough for degenerate whore fap.

>>138183256
>accurate
>unique amazing trigger
>classic
Its retarded in many ways, but if you dont give a shit about mag capacity, I understand the argument. It can be a damn comfortable single action pistol fir fuds that dont like 1 in the chamber

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>>138183421
>Just spent a whole thread larping as some autistic 3% moldy labia PROUD PATRIOT 2nd amendment loving autist
>Somebody insults you
>"GUNS ARE SCARY AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE"

>>138174977
>As you all know things here in the US are looking somewhat scary.
No, they aren't.

We have a buffoon for a President. No one likes you because you're racist.

Ooooooo scary.

>>138183355
PISTOL BULLET IS NOT MEANT TO KILL IN 1 HIT STUPID BOY

IF YOU WANT 1 HITTA QUITTA, GO FUCKHUGE OR LONG BARREL(need big bullet or really fast 5.56mm that splatters bodies with 2800 fps under 75m)

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>>138174977
>I have never owned a firearm before

>>138174977
Dont be a guncuck then

>>138183386
12 rounds(10 in a cucked state almost forces one to get a 45) is sufficient in a USP45

Only the 7 round 1911s get to be a joke really

>>138184060
.45s are no joke to someone who can shoot. Not saying the fudds with $3,000 race guns with 1/4 powder loads are good shots, but my dad used a double stack para ordinance and did perfect shoots to qualify yearly as an officer.

>>138183505
>G26, 124gr federal hst rounds for defence, 115gr(similar weights) cheap 9mm for practice, 10-33 round mags, solvent, barrel brush and some cleaning shit
10/10?

>>138183793
Fuck my life, damn. I'm on a fuckign phone I can't do shit with images thanks

>>138183542
Until you upgrade to long barrels

A 5.56mm out of a 16 inch barrel going over 2800 fps tumbles/splinters blowing holes in unarmored attackers. Light weight regular m193 rounds go through some steel plates too.

>>138174977

You need to take a gun safety class.
I grew up with guns. My daddy taught me.
You need to take the class.
Or you are going to shoot a hole through your mattress. No really. It happens A LOT with people like yourself.
Take the class. Pay attention. I'm serious.

>>138183773
How get CCW in jew york?

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guies is said it again

le epic score

>>138177978
I carry and compete with a 1911, it's not a good beginners gun. You seem like someone who has shot a bit, so I'm not knocking you, but how many moons know to ride the safety? Or will remember it's there in oh fuck mode and just keep pressing that sweet sweet trigger to no avail?

>>138174977
you really should have posted this on /k/ OP. You will get much better answers

>>138184335
Shouldn't take more than 2 minutes of googling and sifting through bullshit clickbait articles my dude, your welcome.
>>138184375
Kinda weird how 5.56 became the standard developed for a 20" barrel, but 16" barrel became the standard.

buy a shotgun...pistols need a shit tonne of training to be used properly.With a shottie u just load 00 Buck point it in the general direction of a commie and boom,your kda improves

>>138182548
Mosin needs more mods

>>138184546
See >>138179667

>>138184248
I like 45, but honestly 9mm makes things like 1 handed etc a lot easier

Getting good with 45 just takes more time/money and it has less of a ceiling if you ever go full john wick and can tap 20 headshots in 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpr8oqyjKIc

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>>138184375
It doesn't change.
People can lose limbs and still return fire. If you physically shatter someone's pelvis which prevents them from standing they can still lay down and shoot back. Rifles and shotguns can destroy a massive volume of tissue, but human physiology is a constant.

>>138184642
wtf are you talking about a fkn mosberg 500 is about 400$ and the ammo is dirt cheap

>>138184523
Were just giving entry level gun knowledge to Americans who will likely have to defend themselves soon

>>138184433
Wise up and gtfo.

I got mine in one day in a flyover state. Some old VHS played in the background as we laughed and shot the shit.

>>138178597

Nobody over the age of 20 is a communist in the US.

It's a meme for middle class white numales.

Now look at the military/police/veteran community. 80% conservative, essentially 0% far-left.

You don't want a revolution as bad as you think you do. It won't end well.

>>138184736
Did you even read the post?

>>138184541
It really makes the green tips useless at longer ranges goong with 16 inches

Thats where you get icepick nothing wounds, long range 5.56mm that slows down after 100m and starts to just pass right through targets

>>138175041
Light trigger with no safety. He'll have accidents with a glock. Even re holstering a glock in a crappy holster will set it off. No fucking glock

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>>138184641
The nugget is just for shits and giggles, I just threw it in that pic for the meme value on /k/. Though I haven't bothered posting there in the better part of 5 years now.
I've got a heavy barreled 700 for my go to bolt gun.

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>>138184736
>mossberg 500 is about 400$
Should be easy to pick up in pawn shops for $175 or under.

>>138178068
>Join us on reddit!

You'll be killed so fucking fast your little war won't last 3 days. You're a massive pussy, you browse reddit. REDDIT.

>>138179939
There are many like her but this one is mine

>>138174977
> muh H&K meme gunz
you would do better getting something more reliable and controllable for a noob

H&Ks are ok, but they have too much muzzle flip even with a 9mm cuz they are too heavy in the ass and light in the nose.

go to a local gunshop/range and try out a few different types
your favorite gun in a video game is likely to be far from useful when you try to learn to use a firearm.

you cant be an operator, till you learn to operate, so dont buy a gun designed for operators

start simple
i use a gi 1911.45 acp, a sig p226 in 40 S&W, a S&W model 27 .357 magnum, a ruger blackhawk in 9mm/357 and an M&P shield in 9mm, plus a shotgun, and a surfeit of various rifles

also a gang of 22s, but those are just toys.

i am a hunter, handloader and operator though.
you need training wheels first.

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>>138184688
Unless theyre fighting for their people like a jap on iwo jima, 99% of targets are quitting the fight when they see a hole that big in themself

But yes if they unlock the spirit adrenaline, nothing stops a fighting body short of hitting the heart/brain

>>138184831
i did you don't need rifle balistics to kill someone,and the ar-15 needs a lot of maintanance to keep the action going otherwise it will jam.Surplus ammo for the AR-15 is 40 $ for 20 bullet box while 20 00 buck is like 26$.You are not fighting a military trained group to need as much sustained fire a fkn ar-15 gives you.

>>138184999
>hes never shot a full size USP9/45
Theres less recoil on those than about any other pistol of the caliber

Agreed glock/cheap gun for newbs tho

>>138184674
One hand shooting is very unrealistic and would only be applied if shit is really fucking south. I never saw my father shoot one handed to be badass or anything. He was SWAT sniper for a number of years and was a total professional when showing me how to shoot. One hand shooting is a blind fire one use tactic with the intention of just suppressive fire to relieve incoming fire.
>>138184846
But on the other hand you shouldn't typically engage targets exceeding 500m with 5.56 anyways or many rifles for that matter unless you are a marksman with a big fuckin gun. Regular engagements are ~300m.

>>138184939
pretty much how expensive is an ar-15 these days?like 600$ without the accesories and extra mags?

>>138181425
Ruger has an LCR with a 3" barrel, look into that

>>138185059
ARs don't take a lot of maintenance, you just need to keep the bolt carrier relatively lubricated.
Plenty of home invasions have occurred in recent years where multiple armed assailants broke into places where people were home. The lower recoil, faster follow up shots, and higher mag capacity makes a rifle like an AR or an AK desirable for defense of home and property.

>>138185155
I got mine with a 1 in 7 twist, key mod rail, mbus sights, a bag, a couple mags, and about 80 rounds for $700.

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>>138185059
Did you have a fucking stroke while you were typing this?

>you don't need rifle balistics to kill someone
uwot? In what world does 5.56 have better ballistics in home defense ranges than a 12 gauge?

That is THE reason to get a 12 gauge, there is nothing else that even comes close to the one shot stop drop potential of a good 12 gauge load
>the ar-15 needs a lot of maintanance to keep the action going otherwise it will jam

[citation needed]

A basic amount of lubrication to prevent rust is pretty much all he'd need, though the same could be said for a shotgun.

>Surplus ammo for the AR-15 is 40 $ for 20 bullet box

wtf, you're either shitposting or clinically retarded.

>You are not fighting a military trained group to need as much sustained fire a fkn ar-15 gives you.

There's no rule that says you have to fire the whole magazine but apes often travel in packs, especially when they're conducting home invasions.

>>138184999
I second the P226 is great. However, the new failed drop tests are kind of worrisome. Despite the H&K memes I love mine, specifically the VP9.

>>138184867
I don't know what Glock you have, but mine don't have a light trigger by any means. None of my pistols have safeties. Never had an issue. One more thing to go wrong in the event when shit hits the fan.

S&W shield isn't bad for a single stack if you want that for CC.

>>138185289
Why are fascist flag posters the best posters?

>>138175453
> 7.62
which one?
theres a shitload of .30 cartridges and some are pure garbage.
the 7.62 nato is a decent deer killerbut is NOT for personal or home defense unless you like shooting through your neighbor's house and killing their kids, dog, mother in law and the van full of nuns down the block.
the 30 carbine is trash
the 7.62x54R is similar in effect to the 7.62 nato above, the 7.62x39 (ak round), when shooting from a riffle length barrel, is about equal in ballistics to a .38 spcl from a snubbie revolver the 30/30 is a decent short to medium range dear cartridge but is also far too penetrative for home defense. the 7.62 nagant is pure ass, and finding ammo for this finnicky piece of soviet garbage is nearly impossible.
i could go on, but there are nearly 100 different 7.62 cartridges out there.

> as far as i have read...
shut up nogunz.

>>138183828
Why the fuck would you carry a 1911 unchambered?

>>138185474
>>138184999
My bad, P320 is the one failing drop tests. P226 is a fabulous gun. Brain stopped working for a minute.

>>138174977
This one is nice:
http://sigsauer.de/p226/

This is how a gun should look like.

>>138185442
jeez guess i should buy ammo from the US, fuckers here ask for 120 RON which is about 40 US $ for a box of 20 5.56x45 surplus

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>>138185501
I'm just too old for shitposting these days, if I type up anything I try to make it at least reasonably high effort.
Besides being a good steward of information is the responsibility of all civilized men.

>>138174977
If you're not carrying, then you get a shotgun to start. A rifle with a decent capacity is a good pair. Handgun is nice, but a touch more advanced in it's usage compared to the former - much, much easier to aim and hit with a shotgun or any long rifle.

>>138174977
First of all not a Glock, faggot. AR-15 is a good weapon for beginners.

>>138180493
>left his extensive gun collection to my older brother
>situation escalates, gets physical
> went to work, came home, my guns were gone
fukin police state mang

>>138185711
>http://sigsauer.de/p226/

P226's are made here in america now. The german made ones were better.

>>138185137
> dat recoil...
faggot.
did i say "recoil"?
no i said muzzle flip.
they are heavy in the ass and light in the nose so noob shooters are slow on the follow ups , pop off high, or plug the ceiling, and if you limp-wrist it even a little it will fail to go into battery.
H&K doesnt make a noob gun.
they make precision instruments of war for experienced users, and occasionally, faggots like you.

>>138185059
>2$ a bullet
Ignore this post
>AR15 is hard to maintain
Watch a youtube vid and stop being lazy, it's good to know the insides of your gun just like your woman. You need to know what is wrong incase you ever pull a trigger and hear *click*

Learning AR15s is pretty much how the 2nd amendment should work, it almost forces you to train and learn to maximize effectiveness

>>138185729
about $7 here after tax. a lot less if u buy in bulk.

>>138175459
Fucking right. or maybe a shotgun.

>>138185142
I can see a lot of situations where 1 handed shooting happens by surprise(arm injured, angle, cover etc)

I would never shoot 1 handed with a choice

>>138186008
Ar-15s are as simple as glocks anyways. Fucking super simple to disassemble and clean.

>>138185142
Even at 300m, green tips will leave pitiful holes in your enemy if you hit

You need to be under 100m i think to guarantee enough speed with 16 inches

>>138186060
pfft, all of thats for pussies.

that aint got shit on a cannon.

>>138185887
mine p226's frame was made in germany, the slide was made in switzerland
u jelly?
yeah, you jellin' like dr scholls
dont be a hater.

>>138186126
Injured or behind cover sure but by that time you are angry and filled with fight adrenaline. Very specific circumstances that would need to be trained into your being to remain calm.

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>>138176105
Wrong
>>138176134
Wrong
>>138184867
Correct

You have to pull the trigger to disassemble a Glock. Yuck.
Get a pistol with a hammer and a safety. You hold the hammer down when reholstering. The weapon cannot fire unless the hammer moves back first. You feel it moving under your thumb, you stop.

OP, since you're asking for gun advice here I'm assuming you're retarded. If you get a striker fire you will shoot yourself. Get a traditional da/sa with a decocker. Get a 9, 40, or 45. I'm a 40 fag but you should probably get a 9mm.
FNP, FNX, one of the CZs. Get a cz 75 bd.

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>>138185289
Getting gud with an ar15 is the way to go for sure

There is no gun i would choose for any gunfight over a well built AR15 that I had shot with and was comfortable using

>>138182548

>fascist
>using a Mosin

You're welcome.

>>138185668
Because it's single action with old safeties

You can make em fire with a drop on some concrete

>>138185670
Hammer>striker

Deal with it nerds

>>138185142
i shoot one handed regularly
if you dont practice shootin one handed, when you gotta do it, youll be shit at it.
with my single six i always shoot one handed, the other hand fans the hammer.

especially with autos, if you dont practice one handed, and even weak hand shootin, when you are in the shit youll be shitting all over the place

>>138186221
Good thing door knockers will be at 5m, but really with a rifle that isn't huge you should anticipate followup shots. Ideally with blood pumping and raging mind you can't just fire two hollowpoints and anticipate someone dying. Steel core rounds (green tips) seeing unfavorable reactions in the middle east is due to sand niggers smoking opium before fights. Frangible or hollowpoint ammo does not see more favorable conditions under those circumstances which is why you should keep shooting until they drop unless you have a .50

>>138186368
Outside of rimfire, and bolt guns, ARs are pretty much the defacto standard rifle in America. They basically are the American rifle.
Anyone in the US interested in firearms should familiarize themselves with them.

>>138185936
You are severely exaggerating some really small complaints a lot sir

Are you a paid shill? Have you ever shot a full size usp? It's great in almost every way except its fuckhuge

>>138186657
I mean fanning a hammer around a corner is ridiculous. I can only see one handing in retard situations, checking someone for pule while providing covering fire, or your cornered. Some shit like that. If having need to be in such a situation you would have already fired thousands of rounds to know your firearm unless your a woman or a complete retard.

>>138186857
and the proprietary rail =[ its the only reason i got the p2000sk in 9mm and not a uspc in .357 sig

>>138175483
>I dont wat to actully kill anyone so a 9mm is more ideal
not necessarily
eg 9mm overpenetrates more than .45ACP, so is a bigger risk to your family if you started shooting inside

then again, if you don't want to risk killing anyone, just avoid defending yourself
anyway, if you kill your enemies, they win...
much better to kill youself: you should then win

>>138186292
Still, should any realistic shootout situation occur where I wind up 1 handndd shooting, i feel more comfortable 9mm than 45 forever

>>138186147
Ar15s are definitely more difficult to take apart and clean due to the 4 part bolt etc

Its easy once you know it, but it is like double the steps

>>138186579
> imma throw my cocked and locked pistol on the ground over and over till it pops off
> SEE!!! 1911's suck!!!
faggot.
i can make even my sig go off like that if a beat the living shit out of it

1911s are fine cocked and locked, especially if they have the beavertail grip safety as well
i prefer a double action/single action auto to single action autos, but the 1911 is NOT unsafe.

striker fired shit like the glock is retarded for noobs who lack trigger discipline and cant find their holsters with both hands, a road map and a fleshlight
also, glocks suck.

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>>138174977
Get a rueger sr22 they are easy for a beginner to shoot.

>>138186991
I have a .40 and hearing the story of my dad being shot up seeing the police car door that was mounted by the PD, and seeing his bruise cause by a murderer who was shot perpendicular in the head to cause paralysis in half of his face from a 9mm hollowpoint I will carry something slightly larger even if not shooting for the head.
>>138187158
It took like a minute to figure and put back together.

>>138187198
see
>>138176533


fuckin fuck, im not a fuckin robot

>>138176533
I fired a rueger sr22 recently a very light weight gun for concealed carry and home defense against reguler burglers.

>>138187198
>its twitter but everyone is a frog account

talk about fuckn useless dude

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>>138186965
The presumptive risks of overpenetration are far less than losing the gunfight.
Generally speaking however when Americans talk about the common duty cartridges(9mm .40, .45, .357mag) we're talking about JHP ammo. We wouldn't be using FMJ. In regards to JHPs all calibers typical have near identical penetration depths, variation is only a couple inches. IWBA/FBI testing protocol considers 12 to 18 inches of penetration to be ideal.

>>138186664
Obviously you always follow up until the fight is over, but increased single hit damage helps incase you accidently miss a round or 2

>>138186806
It's almost fully customizable. If you learn and shop, you can build YOUR rifle

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>>138174977
just do a try before you buy to find the right gun for you. And you should be asking on /k/

>>138187397
Realistically you can't expect a 50% hit ratio past like 8m unless you are an operator or cool under pressure. It seems negligible hitting someone in the aorta and they barely feel it returning fire for an additional 10 seconds, much longer if on drugs. Hollowpoints on high speed rounds that were designed from the ground up to tumble and frange seems asinine. The marine recon sniper would suggest "FUCKIN SHOOTEM AGAIN FUCKIN DONE".

>>138187314
I dont like hollowpoints except federal hst

Theyre the fbi chosen semi expensive ones designed to operate almost like an FMJ that expands. Barrier blind is the new expensive fad for hollopoints

They are literally perfected bullets that really only lose armor piercing capacity except with a pistol youre usually not going thru armor anyway

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>>138187826
You forgot the most important part: They look cool
inb4 inevitable butthole comparison

>>138187826
That is what my father used and ingrained into me to use. His expression about them was always "THEY WILL FUCK YOU UP"

>>138186946
enough already nogunz.

you dont "fan the hammer around a corner"
a single six is operated by manual cocking of the hammer with the off hand or (more slowly and awkwardly) with the thumb of the shooting hand
"fanning the hammer" is the fastest and most efficient way to operate a single six from a draw

> ridiculous situations
like say, when seated in your automobile and a jacker tries to take your ride?
or when your other hand is occupied
or when youre injured
or if you ONLY have one hand
or of you have to shoot from an awkward position
or if a dog is chewing on your other arm

if you dot practice one handed and weak handed shooting, you cant expect to be proficient when it is needed.

> but muh round count will surely guarantee effectiveness...
you have probably written hundreds of thousands of words in your lifetime.
now grab a pen with your off hand and try to write your name.
see?
shut the fuck up.

>>138187717
Whats your opinion on the tsx 50gr hollowpoint 1/7 twist barrier blind /k/ favorite rounds?

>>138188024
>this is the face of revolver users
Top fucken kek dude. Do you carry a single action revolver in your car? lel

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>>138188095
Its hard to complain about the performance of Barnes bullets.

>>138187936
>>138188022
Ive shot some and noticed an interesting effect on paper, much smaller cleaner holes meaning its like a pointy expander

>>138188298
I read they stabilize out of a 1/7 twist at 50gr too, thought that was surprising

>>138188316
Hitting flesh and paper are different though. The expansion and temporary cavity are crazy.
>>138188095
>>138188298
Haven't tried them but ballistics show significant expansion then whatever.
>>138188438
That's pretty cool.

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>>138174977
>What firearms are the best for self defense
AR15

>>138188164
no.
again, youre all mouth, no brain.
i carry an M&P shield 9mm in the car
i carry a sig p226 40s&w when im carrying openly
i keep a .357 magnum S&W model 27 around the house
i carry a single six when im practicing my fast draw and showing off.
i carry my swinging cock when i'm slapping you around.

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>>138188438
Gyroscopic stability isn't just about bullet weight, the length of the projectile is a vital part of it. As is its velocity. The old timer Molon on ARFCOM has done a few write ups on stability factor and twist rate. Over the years hes shot quite a few light loads out of 1/7 barrels, from various vendors, all to dispel these common misconceptions.

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>>138188586
nigga u dumb

>>138188586
K. You are the one that insinuated one handing fanning a revolver in a situation retard.

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>>138188653

>>138188575
This

If you want to be we'll peppered for anything, an AR-15, a Mossberg 500 or 870, and any 9mm handgun will have you covered. A rugged bolt action rifle is nice to have too

I fear a gun store owner might think me a school shooter type and would never sell me a firearm

>>138188575
> muh incorrect opinion, stated with the absolute confidence found only among children, the retarded and the supremely ignorant
a 12 gauge shotgun is always superior to an AR unless youre planning on defending your house from 100+ meters away
the 5.56 nato and 223 rem cartridges go right through walls numbnuts.
you know what's on the other side of walls?
the innocent victims of your hubris and cupidity.

00 buck wont be nearly as lethal after going through a couple layers of drywall, but a 50gr 5.56 fmj round movin at 3000 fps will keep on killing long after you have lost track of where it went.

the 5.56 also deflects and changes course incredibly easily, so once it hits the first wall, youre playing pachinko with other people's lives.

fucking clownshoes

>>138187377
it's not penetration depth alone you gotta look at
it's what happens after hitting obstacles

what you point out shows .45ACP will lose more energy than 9mm after hitting an obstacle (more muzzle energy, but doesn't end up penetrating any more)
which is due to the higher cross section of the former (more surface to transmit kinetic energy through)

and that rings truer the more obstacles end up crossed, like in a drywall home (walls behind which your family may be sleeping)

not telling one is safe, and not the other
was just putting into perspective the "don't worry, it's just 9mm" thing

>>138175041
>Guns for absolute noob:
>Glock

If you can go for a Gen3, my Gen4 flings brass directly behind me or at my face and it is has one of the new extractors. Maybe I should just get an after market one.

You also need an AR-15
Seems to have good reviews and has RAILS to attach
https://gun.deals/product/triton-v2-mlok-ultra-light-rifle-59999-free-shipping?view=list#comments
Bog standard Cheap Colt, but it works
https://gun.deals/product/colt-ar-15-a4-tactical-carbine-556x45-nato-lightweight-barrel-81999-shipped?view=list#comments

Pick up an optic too (holosuns have pretty good reviews)

As for shotguns I would recommend a bog standard Mossberg 500. You could go with a tactical stock but I think they are just goofy on a pump. Or grab a decent semi auto.

Ammo ammo ammo and tons of practice at a range.

If you have to own just one, can't go wrong with glock 19. Famously reliable, 15 rounds, and small enough still to be concealed.

>>138188704
no, i insinuated no such thing.
nor did i imply it.
you kight have inferred it, but youre an idiot, so who knows whats going on in that shithouse full of starving rats on top of your neck

i said:
i always fire my single six one handed, because the other hand is fanning the hammer.
in no wise was any "situation" implied
that is simply the way i operate my single six.
one hand draws and shoots, the other cocks the hammer.
you need to learn to operate a firearm before you try to tell others how they are doing it wrong.

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>>138189297
>the 5.56 nato and 223 rem cartridges go right through walls numbnuts.
So does buckshot.

A lot of .224 projectiles actually break apart and have diminished penetration after plowing through wall board.

>>138189490
A clogged 9mm JHP and a clogged .45 JHP penetrate pretty much the same.
I've studied terminal ballistic research for years.

>>138189297
10/10 b8 i'm triggered

>>138189664
K cowboy

>>138189643
> just one gun
are you a communist or a democrat?

>>138187541
To be fair k hates these types of threads because they consider it too political.

>>138174977
its called a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot.
most intruders will flee upon hearing the shell rack.

>>138186060
remington 870 iss a shotgun u idiot

>>138186060
remington 870 is a shotgun u idiot

>>138189927
Guns aren't for scaring people. If you don't already have a shell chambered when a threat presents itself you're misusing it.

>>138189838
I just mean if someone is new to guns and can only purchase one to have right now.

>>138175217
Beretta 92 is my all time favorite firearm but there are some pretty great deals out there for the VP9 right now and that would be a fine firearm as well and cheaper than a new 92FS. If they're still doing $300 surplus 92S online then get one of those for sure, I had problems with factory mag so if you're getting fte try a mecgear mag, just look at the picture and make sure it has a heel cutout

>>138189297
>00 buck wont be nearly as lethal after going through a couple layers of drywall, but a 50gr 5.56 fmj round movin at 3000 fps will keep on killing long after you have lost track of where it went.

Better be using birdshot or it doesn't matter what you are firing short of .22, even then you better have quite a few walls between you and the family.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/

>>138189687
buckshot is a bunch of balls.
when striking an object balls loose far more energy than a spitzer due to the spitzer's higher sectional density, tighter ogive and that pointy bit out front
00 buckshot looses so much energy after hitting a single sheet of drywall, it often wont penetrate a second sheet.
conversely a 5.56 spitzer will go through numerous walls and still carry enough energy to kill somebody a few hundred meters down the road.

>>138190111
vp9 is sex

>>138188575
If you got the cash, this. Just slowly add the flashlight, dot sight etc as you learn the rifle better

>>138189927
> racking the slide like a pleb
> not keeping one in the chamber so the SECOND guy gets to hear the slide rack while covered in his buddy's guts and blood
> implying the second guy will get a chance to run
> implying i wont fuck the corpses and ejaculate into all the holes, before burying them in my crawlspace next to OP's mom and several teenage runaways

>>138190241
The low mass rifle projectiles will deform, yaw off axis, and break apart. No longer presenting their frontal profile they don't have the same potential for penetration.
Buckshot performs just like lightweight handgun FMJ, exactly as is shown in the graphic I supplied. Roberts has an extensive write up on this.

Buckshot is not any safer to use inside of a home than anything else. The notion however that a rifle cartridge is more dangerous is completely unfounded.

>>138188899
Just be curious and honest

Every responsible american deserves a semi auto rifle

Police trade in Glock in a caliber of your choosing. Usually around $350 and just as reliable as the day it came out of the box.

>>138186370
you do know Mosins were designed and manufactured well before Commies took over right?

Remington 870 for home.
Sig P938 for away.

>>138174977
Glock or 1911 for home defense pistol. = $500

Smith and Wesson Bodyguard for concealed carry = $300

Remington 870 or a surplus M97 trench gun for a home defense shotgun = $350

Palmetto State Armory (PSA) M4 for home/neighborhood defense = $500 with optics

Old but still a pretty good list.
except; DONT GET THE P320

>>138189297
>OBVIOUSLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT IS AROUND WHERE YOUR POTENTIAL SCENARIO COULD HAPPEN
No shit

If youre sleeping in a car, fuck all these that you cant operate 1 handed with an non-extended arm. What the fuck am I going to do with a 16 inch AR15 in my front seat when a bad guy is stabbin me through the window? Fuck that gimme a g26

Dont shoot rifles at walls with people on the other side you dont want shot

You dont want stray bullets but if you live in a concrete bunker and proxy humans telepathically through magic, theres no such thing as overpenetration

>>138190975
>DONT GET THE P320
y tho