> Mass immigration into Europe in 21st century > /pol/acks

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fuck off indian

>>137981733
> Arguments: 0
So if Muslims were to make some neat inventions and fix up a few cottages, they would have a right to England? At least be consistent.

>>137981534
>Religious expansionism
>Governmental expansionism

One of these things is a medieval childfucking rape cult. The other violates
>muh NAP

Well maybe the injuns should have fought harder did ya ever think of that mister smarty pants

>>137982080
> Still expansionism in both cases
Why don't we just admit that colonialism was wrong? Europe for native Europeans, America for native Americans, Asia for Asians, and Africa for Africans. If you want to expand your country, have the decency to buy the rights to the land, instead of charging in like a bunch of niggers.

>>137982364
Maybe Northwestern Europeans should just fight harder then? Or are you afraid that Muslims and Africans will outcompete you?
> this kills the alt-right

>>137982493
We shall see

Vae victis

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>>137982625
How about this: Instead of LARPing about 'white nationalism' in former European colonies, all alt-right people go back to the country of their heritage. God knows that Europe could use some white immigration for once instead of the endless brown hordes.

>>137982912
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_HeM7tLKmc
Get fucked.

>>137983600
> All land is stolen land
And that makes it right to steal? There are lots of 'uninhabited' areas in Canada, but do you seriously think that if Russians sailed across the Arctic circle and settled in 'empty' areas of Canada, that it would be okay?

>>137983600
I want all Arab niggers to fuck out of the UK, but I fail to see how one can assert nativist rights to Europe while denying nativist rights to native Americans and Indigenous Canadians

>Grandma moved to the USA after WW2 since London was bombed to shit
Guess I better go back to my people's homeland. Oh wait its a fucking shitskin caliphate.

>>137981534
dude we did something crazy. Now we got guys in the US roman saluting synagogues.

>>137981534
this is actually a secret argument for the white man, because obviously now the colonizers are the new immigrants , or as you see them , invaders

>>137982014
If the Muslims were to be so technologically and intellectually superior to us that we wouldn't be able to stop them from conquering Europe/America if we tried then they would have the "right" to our countries.

>>137982364
youre an idiot to create a sweeping notion that all native americans and colonizers never got along or were all at war. many formed peace agreements right away, in fact native americans helped you first survive - we just let you win because youre all big babies that have incompatible worldviews on society and existence

>>137984722
The way I see it, you can have it one of two ways while being consistent
> Assert right of conquest
All the European colonies are legitimate white homelands by virtue of the fact that they were conquered by white people. The fact that the Old World is currently being conquered by Arabs and Africans means that they have the right to the land.
> Assert jus sanguin (right of blood)
All European countries are and forever will be white, but all the colonies are illegitimate due to the presence of indigenous people who preceded Europeans.

If you want to be consistent, pick one.

>>137984538
>while denying nativist rights to native Americans and Indigenous Canadians
Except the have lots of rights leaf.They're are even laws that protect them.If they choose to huff Lysol and drink themselves to death, they have no one to blame but themselves.If they fail to utilize the tools of success that we've granted them, again, they only have themselves to blame.

>>137985417
You're being intentionally obtuse. Would you like to see native Europeans confined to little cuck plots of land and 'allowed' to LARP about being their own leaders?

>>137985208
I'm for right of blood, but it doesn't, or rather shouldn't preclude allowing other national identities and races to participate and join your society. As for the norms and laws for that society regarding race relations, they should be decided in a democratic deliberation, openly, and with patience, careful reflection.

>>137985726
Same. England should be at least 90% white Britons, with a very small amount of skilled immigrants and scholars to provide different perspectives. Immigration should be capped so that there can never be a minority population >10%. If the immigrants are having a lot of kids, then new immigrants aren't allowed to come in, and incentives given for white Britons to have more kids.

>>137982493
This should remind people that this is a battle of ideas, values that people subscribe to in society more than anything else. For one you can't beat the economic game that's importing slave wage labour for particular job positions, but you can certainly point out the hypocrisies of it in contemporary society and demand an alternative or create one

>>137981534
did the uncuked natives give up their lands willingly? so you want us not fight for what we have built? just give it away to the 3th world hordes?

>>137988232
Same logic applies to Muzzies and niggers in England and London. If you support right of conquest in America, don't come crying to me when Europe is conquered.

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>>137981534
the difference being faggot leaf, we made an actual civilization, and the strongest military power. Back to Cucknada mr. drama teacher

>>137989391
So if a bunch of aliens from outer space came and genocided half the planet, confined the rest to tiny patches of land and extracted as many resources from Earth as they possibly could while poisoning the water, earth and atmosphere, you'd be okay with all that if they gave you some cool tech?
> American alt-right destroyed in a single thread
> European new right vindicated

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>>137981534
The state is that human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of violence within a given territory.

>>137989828
Is that an actual Jordan Memerson quote? And if that is the case, why should indigenous people not attempt to overthrow the current government? And who gets to decide what is the legitimate use of force?

>>137988232
In most cases treaty contract agreements were made, the nature of these agreements and issue of fulfilling conditions over time is another matter relative to each agreement.

I would have to say there's quite a difference in the claim of open land for development and resources, relative to the potential contemporary neo-colonial claim to developed society through modern immigration.

It's true, you know Europeans were just given sort of open land and resources, they played a large part in developing a society. Would it be right to displace the Europeans that built this society, with new immigrants ?

From my perspective, this doesn't change anything, doesn't resolve any fucking issue at all that needs to be addressed , which is the organization and function of the economy. It's certainly not right from my perspective because I remain steadfast to the claim that two wrongs dont make a right. Just beacuse native americans were displaced doesnt mean things will be right if this happens to white people.

>>137984219
I'm cool with multiple ethnostates in North America. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Nazis were the ones to finally push reparations? :^)

>>137981534
Easily defensible: Our civilization is more valuable than their barbarism.

>>137990271
No, it is a quote by Max Weber.

According to Weber, the state is that "human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of violence within a given territory." The public police and military are its main instruments, but private security might also be considered to have "the 'right' to use violence" so long as the sole source of this perceived right is state sanction. Weber applied several caveats to his discussion of the state's monopoly of violence:

- He intended the statement as a contemporary observation, noting that the connection between the state and the use of physical force has not always been so close. He uses the examples of feudalism, where private warfare was permitted under certain conditions, and of religious courts, which had sole jurisdiction over some types of offenses, especially heresy and sex crimes (thus the nickname "bawdy courts"). Regardless, the state exists wherever a single authority can legitimately authorize violence.

- For the same reasons, the "monopoly" does not mean that only the government may use physical force, but that the state is that human community that successfully claims for itself to be the only source of legitimacy for all physical coercion or adjudication of coercion. For example, the law might permit individuals to use force in defense of one's self or property, but this right derives from the state's authority. This obviously contradicts directly with enlightenment principles of individual sovereignty that delegates power to the state by consent, and concepts of Natural Law that hold that individual rights deriving from sapient Self Ownership preexist the state and are only recognised and guaranteed by the state which may be restricted from limiting them by Constitutional Law.

>>137990271
>why should indigenous people not attempt to overthrow the current government?
because the indigenous people of the US are either drunk on a reservation, making millions owning casinos, or are getting free money from the government

>>137981534
I'm white. When my race wins, I cheer. When my race loses, I try to help it won again.

>>137989717
You can't try and lump all these things together, the positive development that colonial society brought, with the negatives, such as the biological and physical warfare, as well pollution. These are all cases relative to negative development of different societies living together.

It's not like all development that we've had together was negative, or resulted in pollution, or racial conflict, although we should remember these things so that we don't repeat these mistakes again in our economic and societal pursuits.

>>137981534
>conflating colonization with immigration
>as if the native americans had a choice on who got into their country due to technological inferiority and disease
>meanwhile complaining about this in a country founded by white people in a majority white population
>as if we don't have a choice on who comes into our country now

>>137986975
Its not a battle of ideas it's a battle of genetics. Whose bloodline will inherit the earth, the bloodline of Shem, Odin, or whatever chink ancestor? That's what is truly being fought, not whose social system is fairer or whose economics more closely models markets.

>>137992050
Lad, how is the scenario that I outlined different? Even if we take a less meme-y approach and say that aliens colonized earth much like we colonized Earth. There's no point imagining that Africa could colonize Europe in the same way that we colonized them because they are low-IQ inbred savages, so imagine that aliens wanted to colonize Europe/America

>>137992651
If aliens colonize earth and kill us, and we cannot stop it, what does it matter if it is right or not? That doesn't change the outcome.

Maybe if the Muslims had better technology or something

>>137992910
So essentially might makes right? Barbaric, but consistent. You'd better hope that Europe doesn't get conquered, then.

>>137992434
colonization and immigration is not entirely a battle of genetics or else it would be fucking war you nazi nitwit. There is some element of physicality in the "battle", but society and humanity, in extension immigration and colonization, isn't entirely defined by physicality, it's defined by ideas and how people think - you can't deny this.

>>137985059
You also can't handle your liquor lol xd

>>137992051
100% this.

>>137985556
Those are called suburbs. They're usually pretty okay.

>>137993797
Wrong, obviously because we're expert connoisseurs of brew we can out drink you honkey

>>137993113
Might does make right you idiot.

That's why the US constitution is among the most important documents a human has ever made.

It specifically allows for the solving of problems without the use of violence by virtue of free speech.

Go back to the corner and hold up your "de-colonize" sign, ahtanay.

>>137981534
The difference being the native americans had not built a massive technological and rich civilization with massive amounts of infrastructure, rights and privileges that the Europeans then took advantage of. The Europeans built everything that makes the US attractive to move to, this gives them the right to enjoy the fruits of their ancestors labors.

>>137981534
well, you're right. In both cases the local population just stuck their asses in the air and did nothing about it.

>>137982014
if Muslims brought us the next epoch of human evolution, mayhaps.

>>137981534
Bringing civilisation to barren wastelands infested with backwards savages is somehow the same as backwards savages flooding and destroying civilisation.

>>137994271
>>137994616
So if I'm understanding the argument as you have presented it, Europeans had a right to their colonies by right of conquest, and we have a right to them currently because they took raw land and created civilized places to live?
Presumably of course, if there were to be another violent struggle, the victors would be granted rights to the land?

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>>137981534
>mass immigration turned out terribly for the Native Americans
>therefore American and Canada should embrace mass immigration

>>137982014
If Muslims were national socialist, able to create light speed technology, superior societies, and led us to space. Yes, yes they do. And it has nothing to do with my opinion. They'll win it just for being too good.

>>137982912
We don't need niggermongrels like spencer here
>>137982014
There shouldn't be.. you are not human enough to judge you with the same set of values we apply for Europeans. Non-Europeans should be exterminated anyway. We have the technology to wipe them all out, they don't. Not doing so goes against the evolutionary order

>>137994930
Where did I mention right of conquest?

>>137982014
If Muslims were as superior to us as we are to the the Native Americans (which would require basically inventing perpetual motion, faster than light travel, and sentient AI) then they would deserve it.