Trump lays it out as plainly as you can here: https://www.yo

>>137869733
>Do you not realize you're on the wrong side of history?
History doesn't have a "side". It just gets recorded accurately or inaccurately depending upon the biases and motives of those recording it.

Stop adopting the idiotic phrases the left came up with. They have no real meaning and no substance.

not alt left but it's genuinely sheltered kids who do not trust the outside world and don't know what an authoritarian state looks like. they think the gov protecting things like freedom are normal because it's all they've known so they think that they can still have a socialist country and be free.. i think at least

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>>137869936
This kind of makes sense seeing as the majority of people voting left are African American (for the obvious gibs) or college kids who were barely even born when 9/11 happened so all they're used to is an absolutely draconian infiltration of personal rights, privacy, and freedoms. At least blacks have an excuse. They see the genocide of their people plainly by the left (democrats are the biggest proponents of inner-city abortion which, you guessed it, targets the killing of black babies more than any other demographic), but seem to be willing to sell their souls for a welfare check rather than stand up to this monstrous bullshit from their own party.

I can see why blacks would support the left somewhat because they're at least getting something out of watching their people die. But what's the excuse for the white kids, asian kids, etc that have literally nothing to gain by supporting the left? Are they really just indoctrinated idiots?

OK i'll try to be genuine. The alt-left isn't real. False equivalency.

> Why do you refuse to take any personal responsibility?
We do. We just believe that people are being oppressed and treated unfairly which is preventing them from getting ahead. We want to stop that. Majority of us go to school or work and are doing something with our lives.

>Why do you think violence against your common countryman is the answer?
Again, we don't. We only think violence against violent people or people advocating for literal fucking murder based on race is justified. Nazis talk about wanting to kill us all the time, and they're taking their shit out into the streets marching and chanting Hitler slogans? That nonviolent shit gets thrown out the window quick when you play with fire like that.

> Why do you feel the need to infringe on other people's 1st amendment rights?
Because you are advocating for abolishing the first amendment.

>Do you not realize you're on the wrong side of history?
Really now? Liberals have won every battle throughout history against the conservative side. Progress inevitably wins. Majority of the country sides with the left over your ethnonationalist racist shit right now.

> Do you not realize that a great number of citizens came to the US to escape communism and would literally tear you apart if you tried to do anything that would undermine our Constitution? Do you have a victim complex?
We are not undermining the constitution, we are advocating for reform in government to better suit the needs of today's diverse population and changing world, not throwing out the whole structure entirely. What worked in the past isn't working today and something needs to be done.

>What are the actual positions?
Equality, fairness, equity, worker's rights, distributism, promoting the arts/education, saving environment, social welfare/justice, unity, compassion, racial and class divide abolished

>>137870481
>We only think violence against violent people or people advocating for literal fucking murder based on race is justified.
You just proved the statement you are rebutting to be accurate.

You condone violence against your countrymen. And you condone it in a proactive sense ahead of what you presume to be foregone outcomes. You infer the worst in another person to the point of saying violence against them is both reasonable and justified.

>people advocating for literal fucking murder based on race is justified.

Unless they are in the process of undertaking that act, you don't have a legal or ethical place to attack that person physically. If you do then you are saying it is justifiable to physically attack someone over words. That's not much different then attacking someone over skin color.

>>137870481
>class divide abolished

not gonna happen get real.

Is her hair.... Ramen noodles?

>>137869733
This image ruined spaghetti

>>137870481
>We just believe that people are being oppressed and treated unfairly which is preventing them from getting ahead.
Howso? Give us specific examples and not just vague "muh oppression" horse shit please.

>Nazis talk about wanting to kill us all the time, and they're taking their shit out into the streets marching and chanting
All of this is protected under our Constitution as unanimously verified by the United States Supreme Court.

"Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms: There is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment"
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

So, again, you feel it's okay to use violence against people who are talking when the SCOTUS is on their side and not yours? Explain yourself.

>Because you are advocating for abolishing the first amendment.
Who's advocating for abolishing the 1st amendment? I'm a Republican and literally never heard anyone ever in support of this. Explain yourself.

>Progress inevitably wins.
What does this even mean? It's an ambiguous talking point that has no substance whatsoever. You see why everyone thinks you're all pretty stupid? Quantify that position with actual metrics or stop using it.

>We are not undermining the constitution
communism is literally the antithesis of the United States Constitution, just as much as fascism.

>>137869936
This is why they call Gorka a 'nazi'. Because his family fought communists. They think communists are great. They don't even have the information to make such accusations, yet there they go.

>>137870481
>Equality, fairness, equity, worker's rights, distributism, promoting the arts/education, saving environment, social welfare/justice, unity, compassion, racial and class divide abolished

>Equality/fairness
Republicans believe in the same thing. Do you think it's fair that gays/trannies/whatever have more rights than average citizen? Do you think it's fair that, given the same crime (let's use assault for example) a person who punches a gay/black/minority despite it having nothing to do with their sexuality/race/whatever can be punished MORE simply because the victim tells the police it was a hate crime even if it wasn't motivated by those factors?

Do you think it's fair and equal that college admissions use skin color instead of actual merit to give minorities a leg-up in being admitted to universities at the expense or often more-qualified people of European decent?

None of that sounds very fair or equal to me, in fact, it seems overtly unfair and unequal in favor of minorities. Either you want equality or you don't, but you're a hypocrite for advocating for it while also being in favor of the aforementioned policies. If you're for equality and fairness, why aren't you marching against Affirmative Action?

Sounds like you're more in favor of equality and fairness only in situations where a white man or woman might have a perceived advantage but in any other instance you're in favor of obvious advantages for minorities.

>>137870481
>people are being oppressed in America
Prove it

>we preemptively attack people because they say they are going to attack us
What people? If they aren't trying to or inciting violence against you, you become the one who escalates the violence. Is it that hard of a concept that people who are upset with their lives talk shit to make themselves feel better. Literally only autistic morons of the left take anything they say seriously, and even then they go a step further and start attacking people who aren't saying even remotely violent things because they believe I will eventually lead to violence(which I guess is correct because they themselves are attacking people)

>advocating for abolishing the first amendment
Literally who on the right has ever said this. I've heard a thousand times that hate speech isn't free speech from the left so idk what the fuck you are talking about

>liberals have
Yeah liberals have, progressives on the other hand have resoundly lost ever since their cancerous ideology started spreading in the 20s

>not undermining constitution
Constantly doxxing (4th amendment), saying hate speech isn't free speech(first amendment) and taking away guns(2nd amendment).

Would beg to differ

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>>137870481
>equity, worker's rights, distributism, promoting the arts/education, saving environment, social welfare/justice, unity, compassion, racial and class divide abolished

Do I even need to address the rest of this garbage? It's nothing actually tangible or based in logic. Aside from worker's rights and having the class divide abolished, the rest is just fee-fee talking points unless you actually want to expound and explain your positions. "Compassion", how the fuck do you even quantify that? What does it mean in the real world and not in some fairy tale?

Explain what workers' rights you're fighting for exactly. How has the free market harmed you as a worker? Do you work? Specific examples, again, or this all just gets tossed to the side as horse shit.

Again, this is why people think you're stupid and have no positions or actual fundamental beliefs. Because you really don't. If you do, you certainly can't verbalize it in a way that makes any sense.

So you want socialism ad commie shit?

>>What are the actual positions?
Equality, fairness, equity, worker's rights, distributism, promoting the arts/education, saving environment, social welfare/justice, unity, compassion, racial and class divide abolished

>>137872443
I would be incredibly shocked if he replied to this with a meaningful response

>>137873021
I wouldn't simplify it to say that all those things are just "socialist/commie" shit. Everyone wants, or should want, to help the environment, have compassion for people, or be unified (we're called the UNITED States, afterall). The implication from that poster is that the right somehow isn't those things when it couldn't be further from the truth. I really want to see the person who posted that though to explain, in detail, what that actually means to them.

Have you ever heard a Conservative guy run on a campaign of "We're going to be LESS unified! We're going to be less compassionate! We're going to keep abusing workers!" No. Because that would be fucking stupid and the premise of using generalized talking points like that undermines the discussion altogether.

Now the "equity" (whatever the fuck that even means to the person who posted that, still yet to qualify that), distributism, and abolishment of racial and class divide is most definitely "commie shit" that will never happen.

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>>137871673
Yes. Yes it is.

>>137869733
Gawd, she is fugly.

>>137874345
At least there are some pics floating around of her in college. Take a look at those then this pic and see how fast taking up liberal ideology that you constantly have to defend, knowing full well none of it is based in logic, ages you.

>>137869733

I'm a liberal but Antifa brought Charlottesville on themselves. They have been showing up to cause riots and break shit since before Trump was elected.

I have no fucking doubt in my mind a group of Antifa surrounded that dude's car and he genuinely thought he was going to get fucked up.

Also, "alt-right" protesters never USED to show up with bats and shit to protest, they only started doing so after Antifa made it crystal-fucking-clear they want to break shit, not protest.

This shit is fucked, I remember the 90's when KKK would have their little rallies and like 12 "anti-protesters" would show up basically to gawk and shake their heads. It was never a question of whether or not these guys should talk. Let them talk to their little crowd, let them cheer or whatever, and then they'll leave.

The "Left" will be the demise of free-speech here, just like they were every other time. and it isn't LIBERAL to shut down people's speech.

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>>137874993
>This shit is fucked, I remember the 90's when KKK would have their little rallies and like 12 "anti-protesters" would show up basically to gawk and shake their heads. It was never a question of whether or not these guys should talk. Let them talk to their little crowd, let them cheer or whatever, and then they'll leave.

This, precisely. The only "anti-protesters" who even bothered to waste their time stopping to watch those people only did so to gawk and get some easy laughs. That very small, fringe elements of loons has always been there. You'd think lefties would be able to recognize mental illness in others simply because their ranks are fucking full of "self-diagnosed" mental patients.

>>137870481
Alt left pls go

>>137870481
I hope you end up in an oven you disgusting kike

>>137874993
You will still be labeled as a Nazi for not agreeing with Antifa though. They label anyone who disagrees with them as that.

>>137874993

that was already ripe to begin happening with BLM's insistence on blocking roads and surrounding cars. Depending on your state you're perfectly in your rights to ram through a crowd if they make you feel threatened and put you in fear of your personal safety. If some libtard tries to shut that down, scream about your feels and how you self-identify as a homosexual eskimo woman to shut them down right back.

>>137870481
>The alt-left isn't real.
Says who? If I say "nazis aren't real" does that make them just disappear all of a sudden? No, because their existence is verifiable. You're in denial, pal.

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>>137874993
Really makes you wonder why people are defending communism anyways, much less nazism, both are outdated ideologies that killed millions and never worked.

>>137877202
It's true, but even if I don't agree with fascism I can see their principles and positions in a somewhat-logical layout and understand why some people might believe them. On the other hand, as clearly evidenced from this thread, the kids who claim to be "the most educated" and support the Alt-Left can't even verbalize what they believe and why. I really want to believe they're not just entitled cunts looking to reach into other people's pockets and "redistribute wealth" because they think "well, life's unfair and I don't want to work." I want to believe they have genuine convictions and principles but I've yet to see any of them verbalized aside from vague and ambiguous emotional arguments.

In short, I don't think most leftists even know what they believe in personally, they just like to be contrarians and think it's cool for whatever reason. They have no actual arguments.

>>137877202

The only people I've ever seen push communism are the laziest fucks in the world that have never done hard physical work in their lives.

They basically think that communism would be a godsend because it would mean they'd be able to do essentially nothing and still get their government cookies. Not realizing the much more probably outcome would be them digging fucking ditches all day and living in squalor, wishing they were dead. Meanwhile the people who actually understand that life is fucking work would see a net neutral, to slightly negative, impact on their day-to-day lives.

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Why did that other person who initially posted a response run away when asked by multiple people to explain their positions? Hmmm. Could it be they realized how illogical they sounded when they typed it out?

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>>137877693
In short, I don't think most leftists even know what they believe in personally, they just like to be contrarians and think it's cool for whatever reason. They have no actual arguments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derHRFGZ4NU
You aren't wrong, it's nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats who never got their ass beat by their parents.

>>137878473
Quality post kek