Reminder: Traditional catholicism will defeat Islam, and the

>>137835457
When? Your Pope is welcoming the Muslims into Europe and condemning Christians. lol

Catholics are being targeted.

I wish hell did exist, those targeting them, especially homos who think virgins are closets, would go to hell for promoting sin amongst the virtuous.

>you're chaste
>so we'll harass you every time you go to work
Just the shit real Christians put up with

>>137835819
the path of righteousness is beseech on all sides

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In 1309 AD, the seat of the papacy was moved from Rome to Avignon (France). In total, 7 Popes were seated in Avignon until 1377 AD when the seat was moved back to Rome. The entire justification for papal supremacy is based on the claim that there is an unbroken line of Bishops of Rome from St. Peter... except that line was broken during the Avignon Papacy over 700 years ago. The Papist Church is a false church.

Catholics really need to stop calling themselves Christians.

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>>137836474
This

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catholicism = polytheistic idol worshippers

>>137835457
>traditional Catholicism
The traditional sodmization of children will not save Europe.

>>137835457
Amen

>>137835457
Our pope is a fucking joke right now. We need a new one now ffs.

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>>137835819
Try being a Catholic and studying Sociology/Politics at university. Hiding my power level is getting harder week by week.

Pray for me, please.

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>>137835457
good luck beating us alphas

>>137835457
Reminder: progressivism is just a form of Christianity.

i'm gonna make a dedicated thread, but everyone's favorite Catholic EMJ just released another video. Like his 3rd in the last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ9VPr5yJro
the man is trying to get his message out before they SHUT IT DOWN

>>137836474
Why should they stop calling themselves Christians when they are Christian?

>>137835457
Traditional Christianity* will destroy Islam and the rest of the heathens. But Traditional Catholicism is a joke, most of them being LARPers who don't even get how hypocritical they are to call themselve "Catholic" while thinking they know better than the Catholic Church. If you are too retarded to see that doctrinally you are basically a Protestant, then why should anyone take a LARPer like you seriously?

>>137836474
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>>137838558
kys

>>137838422
Christians love god and keep to his commandments, catholics do not.

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>>137838422
Catholics aren't Christians.

>tfw Christian want to wear a scarf but that instantly makes you look like mudslime
what do?

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>>137835457

>>137839149
wear a cross as well, simple

>catholocism
enjoy your traditions of men

>these people actually worship mary and pray to mary and the saints

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>>137835457
amen

>>137838558
Nice argument, sodomite. Cathocuck got BTFO. Read a Bible, faggot.

>>137838558
was meant for you: >>137838766
Nice argument, sodomite. Cathocuck got BTFO. Read a Bible, faggot.

>>137835694
>traditonal catholicism
theres a difference between current times and past times

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>>137835457
>Traditional catholicism will defeat Islam, and the rest of this godless world.
Truth. Amen.

Orthodoxy is the only way forward.

Is there any reason to not convert to Eastern Orthodoxy? They seem pretty based.

After carefully considering all denominations, and especially reading the history of christianity from christ until today(very important for understanding the faith), i have come to realize the Orthodox Church is the correct church, the direct continuation of the teachings of Christ and the apostles

I respect the Roman Catholic Church, or at least it's incarnation before the 1960s, but the Catholic Church is not static like the Orthodox, throughout history it has changed and morphed and adopted divergent teachings, etc.

the Orthodox Church is the rock, while the catholic one is a bit like a paper bag which flies wherever the wind blows

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>>137835457
>AVE MARIA
>PRAY THE ROSARY

First, we have to solve the (((Christ-Killer))) problem and fix the vibrancy

But after that... I can't wait to start forcefully converting Prot scum to save them from burning in hell with that demon Martin Luther.

The mother church shall prevail!

>>137840346
Well done, brother.

>>137835457
This, but only after we cull darkies

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>>137835819
>Catholics are being targeted.
They always have been, throughout history. It is just we never are taught it, never read about it, never hear about it. All we hear about is the persecution of Jews but never the Catholics. We are used to it. And we know the Church will never die, Jesus promised us that.

>>137835694
Papal seat is vacant

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>>137840289
This but for the love of God please don't ever post any fucking Orthodox memes

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>>137838046
>Pray for me, please.
May Jesus give you strength and the Holy Spirit protect you. God Bless you.

catholics btfo hillary oct 2016

>never forget

>>137838046
May White Jesus give the strength to endure the presence of degenrates and Semito-Hamitic abominations that surround you. May you avoid descendants of abos and dravidan filth in your personal life

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>>137840346

We know that Islam is the Moon god called Sin or Suen, Nanna or Nannar.

He is the Father of Isis, known as Inanna or Ishtar. Also Ereshkigal and Utu or Shamash.

I just Identified to you an Heir of the Bloodline Kingship of the Archons. They are a line of false god kings. Their Chief Archon or First Ruler is the Demiurge.

The Catholic Church has shown itself to be an Ally of the Demiurge.

They killed the Gnostics.

Led by men? Check
No homos(officially anyway)? Check
Wine in Church? Check
Venerating a woman? Check

Fuck off all you Prottie dogs, go back to sucking Martin Luthers' dick while inbreeding for the purpose of "pure blood", purebreed dogs are dumb as shit, you need genetic variation in order to keep evolving.

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>>137835457
Disavow the Pope, reclaim Hagia Sophia, Neo-Christianity is the true way of god.

>>137841623
>inbreeding for the purpose of "pure blood", purebreed dogs are dumb as shit
Both statements are false and you Europeans are the most outbred in the world. Somehow pure Germanics and Slavs make up the majority of world's contributors

>>137835457
>Traditional catholicism will defeat Islam
When will this happen? All evidence says the opposite. Stop being a retard.

>>137841211
funny memes

the reality is, the pope has no authority over other bishops, his power grew overtime, and the idea that christ named the pope his successor is a later historical revision

>>137840346
This. The Roman Catholic Church is truly the house built on sand.

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>>137841653
Islam is so tacky.

>>137843037
Peter was the leader of Christ's disciples and his line of succession is unbroken.

It also just makes sense that Christ would leave someone in charge of the Earthly Church since He invariably foresaw the need for a voice of authority to rule on the contested grounds of Faith and Morals. If this were not the case, then Christ would be leaving His Church defenseless against heresies since NO ONE would be able to discern with certainty what is Church doctrine, breaking His promise that "the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it"

>>137843465
>victory is so tacky
You get to change it when you own it. But you don't. Such a shame.

>>137843644
>his line of succession is unbroken
False. See:
>>137836120

>>137843956
>living in a different area somehow invalidates an office one holds
you're as looney as those sedevacantist

>>137835694
>Your Pope
Francis isn't really Pope. Look it up. Benedict still calls himself Pope, still has the insignia, etc.

Also google vatican spring on wikileaks.

I have literally no idea why you pathetic faggots cling to this dead and insane Jewish nonsense, it's fucking embarrassing

>>137845252
Wrong. Retiree popes keep there title and (optionally) ring of the fisherman till death. They lose their papal mozzetta and shoes.

>>137843644
there was no leader of Christ's disciples, the Bishops were equal

Rome(along with Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch) were elevated to patriarchy in the ecumenical councils after Constantine the great became emperor, and were all equal in authority(along with all bishops) but under the Emperor

Rome then grew in independence and temporal authority after the fall of the western roman empire, essentially it became a feudal state with lands and an army of it's own, and this is when the ideas of some imaginary line of succession of peter came into being

>>137845770
>line of succession of peter came into being
i mean succession to an imaginary throne of peter, many bishops are peters successors, there is no throne for a master of christianity

>>137845954
this. Christ is the head of the church.

>>137838422
They worship and pray to all sorts of saints and mary in particular instead of God. Then claim that isn't what they do.

They also don't believe that Jesus dying for our sins is enough alone to gain eternal life.

That is my biggest problem with them.

>>137846804
>They worship and pray to all sorts of saints
Saints were always venerated in Christainity, i hope they don't really pray to them as you say(i doubt they do)

>They also don't believe that Jesus dying for our sins is enough alone to gain eternal life.
It's not enough, you have to believe in him and follow his teachings for eternal life, if you reject him or his teachings, i don't know, im no theologian but i don't think Christ will like it

>>137847214
They literally pray to mary for guidance.

That also isn't what I meant. Obviously you cant just say "oh yeah I believe in Jesus" and then go do whatever you want. Doing what God would want is part of being a Christian and knowing Jesus.

What I mean is they think their pastors have to forgive you for your sins, that they aren't already forgiven through faith.

>>137845770
>there was no leader of Christ's disciples
the New Testament outright refutes that notion (Peter always being named first when they were referred as a group or as "Peter and thoser who were with him; Peter being the one who generally spoke for the apostles, especially at Pentecost; working the first healing of the Church age; his faith being what strengthened his bretheren; Peter being given Christ's flock to shepherd; Peter personally being told of Christ's return by an angel; the risen Christ first appearing to Peter; Peter heading the meeted that elected Judas's replacement; enacting the Chursh's first punishment/excommunication; oh yeah and BEING TOLD BY CHRIST THAT HE IS THE ROCK OF THE CHURCH)

>were elevated to patriarchy in the ecumenical councils after Constantine the great became emperor, and were all equal in authority(along with all bishops) but under the Emperor
That's fine and good but byzantine emperors aren't the head of the Church. During the years of conflict between East and West, the Roman pontiff remained firm, defending the Catholic faith against heresies and unruly or immoral secular powers, especially the Byzantine emperor. The first conflict came when Emperor Constantius appointed an Arian heretic as patriarch. Pope Julian excommunicated the patriarch in 343, and Constantinople remained in schism until John Chrysostom assumed the patriarchate in 398.

>>137847214
Catholics do not worship anyone but the Trinity(God the Father,Son, and Holy Spirit). Every prayer for intercession from a Saint is exactly like asking your Mom, brother, pastor to say a prayer for you. We recognize these individuals lived holy lives and are now in communion with the Beatific Vision. Mary is singled out specifically because of her unique relationship with Christ that no other human being will ever have: as His mother. Mary and the saints hold no power on their own. All power and authority comes from God.

>>137835457
jesus never told anyone to sign up to some specific brand of church, pay money to them, and have your kids molested
religion is CANCER, if you want to hang with jesus and people who aren't borderline lowIQ retards, choose evangelion

>>137847801
>Peter always being named first when they were referred as a group or as "Peter and....
yes, yes, that's all fine and dandy, but after peter there was no "head of the church", all of what you mentioned is a NEW doctrine that looks back into history and theology to justify it's existence, same as some protestant sects, who claim they are the true church because of some verse in the bible they found and believe it justifies them, there was no authority on all christians, only christ was the head of the church and all bishops were equal, in the middle ages and the rennaissanse the pope made himself the authority on all christendom and uses these verses to justify himself

>emperors aren't the head of the Church
of course not, the emperor is the secular ruler of the world "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

>During the years of conflict between East and West, the Roman pontiff remained firm, defending the Catholic faith against heresies and unruly or immoral secular powers, especially the Byzantine emperor
oh yeah? and where was he before that? before that he was appointed by the emperor(of Constantinople)

like i said, your catholic faith morphed over time in the middle ages and renaissance and is different from the early church

The protestants won, catholics and orthos are all poor or irrelevant to the world, its up to the sons of luther to enact the new crusade.
They gave jerusalem to the jews, they must be the ones to take It back.

>Muh demiurge worship

>>137847214
>They also don't believe that Jesus dying for our sins is enough alone to gain eternal life.
Eternal life is impossible for mankind without Christ. Through him we are redeemed and paradise once again becomes a possibility. His sacrifice has made it so that any sin from mankind can be washed away with his blood. That doesn't mean you can bomb an orphanage, an hero, and expect a saintly welcome just because of some lip service you gave to a congregation.

>>137848534
>The protestants won, catholics and orthos are all poor or irrelevant to the world
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

>>137847597

>they think their pastors have to forgive you for your sins

Yes. We do believe that. In the Bible, Jesus granted his apostles the authority to forgive sins.
Why would Jesus have to grant that authority if sins could just be forgiven by having faith?
Did Jesus make a mistake? Did the writers of the gospel make an error?

Or is there some other interpretation? What did Christ mean when he did that?

Make the right choice.
The promise of Yahweh is eternal servitude.
The promise of the serpent is godhood.
Yahweh said the fruit of the forbidden tree killed, he lied, Adam and Eve lived for centuries and they only died because Yahweh didn't allow them to eat from the tree of life.
The serpet said the fruit gave knowledge between right and wrong, the serpent said the truth.

The serpent is a spirit sent by the alien God, the god of gnosticism.

>>137848458
The primacy of the Roman See was settled by the middle of the third century with Fabian's successor Pope Cornelius.

>>137848534
>Bavaria
>Austria
>poor

>>137848976

You are spouting lies of the Serpent yourself pal, you are clearly a servant of the Serpent Archon, the Demiurge.

How dare you say such vile and untrue things. You disgust me.

Gnostics absolutely hate the Serpent Archon, he is not our god, he is yours and your in his deception.

Our God is the All or the One.

Yahweh is one of the Archons and you are a fool to call them your Lord

>>137848976
This is a Gnostic Prayer so you can understand what Gnostics really see as God.

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He-Who-Is is ineffable. No principle knew him, no authority, no subjection, nor any creature from the foundation of the world, except he alone. For he is immortal and eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. No one rules over him. He has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another. He is unnameable. He has no human form; for whoever has human form is the creation of another. He has his own semblance - not like the semblance we have received and seen, but a strange semblance that surpasses all things and is better than the totalities. It looks to every side and sees itself from itself. He is infinite; he is incomprehensible. He is ever imperishable (and) has no likeness (to anything). He is unchanging good. He is faultless. He is everlasting. He is blessed. He is unknowable, while he (nonetheless) knows himself. He is immeasurable. He is untraceable. He is perfect, having no defect. He is imperishably blessed. He is called 'Father of the Universe'.

>>137835457
>(1)
Papist, please go (back to a third-world, Roman Catholic cesspool).

>>137843644

But he did not , what is a big part of the new testament? Paul writing letters to churches about heresy . no pope figure is named

>>137850671
>opens his mouth
>shit comes out

Seems about right.

>>137835457
wallahi thuma wallahi we shall rise the black flag of tawheed upon the kaffir vatican and establish shariah as the law of the land

The pope's faggy looking army is sure dressed to kill.

>>137851053
Each instance I gave in>>137847801
has its base in scripture. I'll look them up if need be.
History bears complete testimony that from the very earliest times the Roman See has ever claimed the supreme headship, and that that headship has been freely acknowledged by the universal Church. The first witness is St. Clement, a disciple of the Apostles, who, after Linus and Anacletus, succeeded St. Peter as the fourth in the list of popes. In his "Epistle to the Corinthians", written in 95 or 96 A.D., he bids them receive back the bishops whom a turbulent faction among them had expelled. "If any man", he says, "should be disobedient unto the words spoken by God through us, let them understand that they will entangle themselves in no slight transgression and danger" (Chapter 59). Moreover, he bids them "render obedience unto the things written by us through the Holy Spirit". Thus, at the very commencement of church history, before the last survivor of the Apostles had passed away, we find a Bishop of Rome, himself a disciple of St. Peter, intervening in the affairs of another Church and claiming to settle the matter by a decision spoken under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Such a fact admits of one explanation alone. It is that in the days when the Apostolic teaching was yet fresh in men's minds the universal Church recognized in the Bishop of Rome the office of supreme head.

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>>137843644
>the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it"


Can you even read fag ? its gates of hell by the way , and there is only one guy who came out of hell and that is jesus christ

>>137851834
It's a uniform from the 15th century, but how would you know how does it feel to have an actual history.

>>137851053
Peter headed the lists / “peter and those who were with him” (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13) / (Luke 9:32)
Peter being the main speaker of the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69)
Peter being first to preach on Pentecost to the crowds / first healing church age (Acts 2:14-40) / (Acts 3:6-7)
Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren / being given Christ’s flock to shepherd (Luke 22:32) / (John 21:17)
An angel sent to announce the resurrection to Peter / the risen Lord first appeared him (Mark 16:7) / (Luke 24:34)
Peter leading the meeting for Matthias as Judas’s replacement(Acts 1:13-26)
Peter first punishment / excommunication (Acts 5:1-11) / (Acts 8:18-23)
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15)

>>137835457
Literally a pedophile cult for gays. Shittiest "religion" ever.

>>137852554
>splitting hairs on what term for hell is acceptable instead of addressing the actual argument
0/10

>>137845590
LARPERs gonna LARP

>>137835457
nice job kike

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Reminder that many Cuckolicks belive in evolution and the big bang when none of the prophets or Jesus did.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

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>>137835457
If only more of you were racial realists, too bad that universalism is a core tenet of your region though. You could partake in our memetics, in our great internet virality if you could just let go of that. We are not even asking you to make deals with the devil or anything like that, most of us would be even fine with you if you just dislike them and want them to be deported from our nations.

You just cant comprehend what kind of glorious union it could be otherwise. You want to kill homo's? WE DO TOO. You want to kill witches/sjws? WE DO TOO. You want to remove jews and their usury practices? WE DO TOO. You want to remove smelly mudslime arabs? WE DO TOO. You want to restore the family unit and have proper gender roles...GUESS WHAT. WE DO TOO. You want to reign in too troublesome and destructive capitalism and restore some spirituality? OH YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT.

Srsly, at your best, you align with our values for like 90%. There are no other groups out there who have as much influence and compatibility as we fascists/natsoc guys have. All you have to do is just simply dislike the nigs and lower races more. That is it. You can keep your souls and traditions otherwise, build all the fucking churches you want, kill pretty much all the things you hate.

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Reminder that Cuckolicks baptize babies and sprinkle water on them when the Bible says they need to believe first and be fully dunked.

Need to believe.
Acts 8
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Fully submerged in water.
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

>>137853438
Catholicism and Science are not at odds. For decades the Church's stance on evolution/big bang has been recognizing it as the best explanation for how our planet, and life on it, developed.
Only nutjob fundamentalists (read: Protestants) interpret everything in the Bible by it's most literal meaning.

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>>137853789
>Mentoins YEC multiple times throughout the whole bible and gives dates all the way up to where the OT cuts off(persian empire) which then you can just use history books to find out what time B.C. it ended at and add the rest. And the first 10 chapters are on it
>not literal

>Jesus once says a piece of bread is literally him
>literal

>>137854126
>>Jesus once says a piece of bread is literally him
I mean he once said it was him. He didn't say it literally is.

>>137853663
Neither of those set out rules for baptism. Jesus even said in Luke 18:16 "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God"
The council of Carthage in 253 settled this matter once and for all.

Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Gegrüßet seist du Maria, voll der Gnade, der Herr ist mit dir.
Du bist gebenedeit unter den Frauen und gebenedeit ist die Frucht deines Leibes, Jesus.
Heilige Maria, Mutter Gottes, bitte für uns Sünder jetzt und in der Stunde unseres Todes. Amen.

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.

>>137853789

This man, despite his faggot flag, has it right.

>>137854262
>homo flag

>>137854126
Jesus also called King Herod Antipas a Fox. Are we to believe that the ruler was a furry woodland critter?

He says repeatedly stresses that his body is in the Eucharist John 6:32–71

The ramblings of some worthless 21st century cult in arizona is less than a spec of dust compared to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (whose book you proddys continually plagiarize and misinterpret to hilarious effect).

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>>137854262
Besides it he said you mist believe and it mentions them going into the water, coming oit if the water, and needing a lot if water. If was just sprinkling their head they could just use a cup of water. You're church is a lie.

>>137854395
this

>>137854754
He mentions it only at the Last Supper. YEC is mentioned throughout the wntire Bible. If it was sybolosm then what did all the stuff symolize then?

>misinterpret to hilarious effect
which is exactly what you did here >>137854262

>>137854779
>You're church is a lie.
And the one setup in a barn more than two millenia later has it right?

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>>137855005
>ignores the entire post and attacks the added on part

>>137855001
Who gave you your bible heretic. Show me where in it it says sola scriptura is not pants on head retard?

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All religions are fucking stupid (except buddhism because I THINK its mostly about inner peace so atleast it gives some positive values to society). Its really baffling how you can believe in something like a God when:

There are hundreds of childrens dying everyday and starving in the shittiest part of the planet, Why would God allow that
Christians/Muslims were/are going killing eachother just to prove their point, Why would God allow such retarded people to ruin his name


Basically why believe in God when God is canonically a fucking cunt

>>137855084
"Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God"
You have lost every thread you challenge me and you will lose again in this one. Now answer this>>137855086

>>137855084
I already refuted it >>137854262
. You're literally bringing up talking points that have been laid to rest by the early church within the first centuries of its existence.

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>>137855086
The Orthodox Church

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
>faggot pitting the word if man before the word of God
not suprised

>>137855179
Baptizing children is fine as long as they're old enough and do believe on Jesus

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>>137835457
This is a painting in a catholic church in Aachen, Germany :^)

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Acts 10
25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

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>>137855753
You know the pope loves his BBC gangbangs

>>137855174

>limited intellect
>solipsism
>IM TOTALLY RIGHT REPEC MAH OPINIUN !!!!!!!

>>137840346
Then why does orthodoxy allow divorce remarriage and birth control now?

The Orthodox church is only static when it comes to defining mystery as dogma (because they lack the seat of peter to do ecumenical councils) but when it comes to social fashions they fold very quickly to pander to Jewish ideologies.

>>137855753

So ? Are we not oblighed to help the broken and less fortunate ? Are you really this ignorant ?
Nowhere in the Bible nor the tradition nor the latest teachings does it say "ye shall take as many because your culture is shit and fuck you". No, the catechism itself states that we, as better off nations, should take refugees as long as capacity allows for their sustenance and that if the "refugee" does not obey the law and disrespect the culture and tradition, he has to go back, because he lost the refugee status even in the eyes of the Church.

Stop spouting retardation without having ever read one single word of what you're even talking about.

>>137856198
>Stop spouting retardation without having ever read one single word of what you're even talking about.
I merely posted a picture, friendo :^)

>>137855637
Wrong. It was the Catholic Church. The Great Schism happened in the 11 century, long after the bible's canon was established
>All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
>and is useful for teaching,
>useful
Your own choice of verse betrays you heretic. It is USEFUL, not the penultimate authority. That resides within the TRADITION of carring on believes before they were even written down. A tradition that you wayward followers of a new-age cult have abandoned in order to adopt teaching more convenient to your tastes. Regardless, the fact remains that you stand against the Church Christ Himself established in favor of your cuck-shed in phoenix.

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>>137838059
You know that at least half of them want to touch that kid.

>>137856342

Smug fag
>totally not imblyign

Catholic Church will an hero.

>>137835457
cucktolicism is gay

you don't even worship one god

you worship shittone of saints + the mary whore

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>>137856381
Many churches claim they are the one going back to peter

>not using KJV
It's still saying it's the word if God so I'll follow what God said instead of what man says.
also
>rebuking
like how I'm rebuking you because you're a retard.

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>>137856686
this but Mary isn't a whore

>>137856713
>Many churches claim they are the one going back to peter
And There's only one that have a literal timeline of unbroken succession
The problem is that you are taking your lessons from a man with no proper understanding of scripture. I'll follow the teachings from people who safeguarded the Word for two millenia over some asshat who can't even get past border patrol without acting like a retard.
You're 'authority' is from nothing: you're own unwarranted sense of self-importance and it is exactly the reason why are country is in such dire straights these days. What I'm repeatedly schooling you on is verifiable by every historian and theologian.

>>137840346
Explain Patriarch Nikon then

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>>137837228
your logic is retarded, they dont worship statues they respect it, and the statues remind them of the saints,God or Mary.

if i use your retarded logic i can say that muslims worship the black cube box called the kaaba.

do you see the hypocrisy?

>>137856067
>Then why does orthodoxy allow divorce remarriage and birth control now?
because it always has

>>137853022
>any of this applies to anyone after Peter's death
the pope is not an apostle
I respect him as the organisational head of an important group of churches, but that's all
that said, if there were a resurgence of Catholicism in the west then I would think that a good thing and I would welcome it (just as I would welcome a protestant or orthodox revival - they are all part of Christ's body as far as I'm concerned)

>>137857046
If im not mistaken, that's the guy that fixed all the unorthodox beliefs and rituals that developed in the Russian chruch, he's exactly what Catholics need

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>>137857020
>still pitting the word of man before the word of God like the autistic faggot he is
You still haven't answered how the verses on baptisem support sprinkling babies. And Steven Anderson didn't come up with sola fide or sola scriptua(which was before the protestant reformation to)

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Reminder that christians, muslims and jews all worship a dark god whom favours the jews.

Want proof? Pic related is a book on black magick, it teaches you to summon evil spirits to grant you boons. How do you summon them? By the power of the christian god.

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>>137857020
You're also a huge cuck that thinks he can't interpret what the Bible clearly says iver and iver again but needs (((them))) to do it for you.

>>137857232
They both worship idols

>>137857508
He's Peter's successor. That's a fact.
>>137857667
I did you dumb nigger. This was a nonissue settled by the early church before the fourth century. All that matters is that water is used. I don't care who came up with it, it's trash and you have literally zero defense for it.

>>137839015
Allowing normal people to read the bible was a mistake, Now you have 40.000 different protestant cults all claiming to be the real Church of Christ.

>>137857740
>insults when he has ran out of gas
typical
You somehow think a man in the third millenia has authority of scripture over the Church that Christ himself put up. You are a quintessential heretic.

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>>137857854
Besides it mentions them going into the water. If it didn't matter on that then why do they always sprinkle? You also haven't said how babie can believe on Jesus(which is a requirement to be baptized)

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>>137857978

>>137857978
Allowing them to read is not a mistake, allowing them to create their own churches and allowing everyone to be his own authority on what the truth of the bible is, was.

>>137858075
>why do they always sprinkle
They don't retard. It completely up the to convertee/parents.

>>137837228
Islam = a mix of Judaism and Christian ideology, created 600 years after Jesus from a man we would call today a cult leader who became later a war lord.

>>137857667
>steven anderson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E34Oxc-lP6U
WTF I LOVE RACE MIXING NOW!

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>>137858032
>That's right trust us. Don't read the Buble yourself and if we catch you translating we beed to kill you. We can't let people actually read or they'll find out we're heretics... I mean they may become heretics.
>you actually fell for this shit

The catholic church has changed many times and Jesus never changes so the the catholic church can't be the church of Christ.

Lol at Catholics doing the whole "that's not REAL Catholicism" with this pope.

>>137858351
Typical leftists

>>137858320
disgusting

Lol, no.

Vatican and Rome get burned to the ground, all priests killed.

That is what's happening next. Your satanist Catholicism will cease to exist.

>>137845252
He retired bc he was having a gay relationship with one of his helpers

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>>137858320
WTF I HATE BORDER POLICE NOW
this is the man he takes spiritual advice from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A

skip to 1:15 for the fireworks

>>137858112
Normal people don't have the instruction required to understand the bible. There was a case here in Brazil were a ''Pastor'' calling himself ''apostolic'' fucked another man's wife because he misread a word. You have all these people claiming authority that was not given to them to interpret the bible how they see fit.

Video related:https://youtu.be/BxoDNekQT34?t=140

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>>137858175
I've aleays seen that. And again it mentions then aleays going into the water or needing much water. You aren't even baptizing them correctly. And still haven't explained how babies can believe on Christ.

>>137858349
>changed many times
care to give some proofs for that bullshit?
It's stance on an issue of Faith and Morals has never changed, only refined.

>>137858320
Moses' wife was Ethopian

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>>137858480
>faggot thinks he wouldn't scream if he got tazed longer than what's legally allowed

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>>137858566
Vatican 2

>>137856198
Germany for the Germans

>>137856713
>muh pedo priests

More schoolteachers are pedos than priests you know

>>137835457
> Traditional
> catholicism
Why is this shit called Christianity at all? It`s as traditional, as gay "marriage".

>>137858494
The Bible says what requirements a pastor needs(one of them is be married which catholics think is big no no for preists). I doubt that guy fit them all.

>>137858527
>I've aleays seen that.
Consider for a moment that reality is not confined to the bullshit everyone feeds you or what you see with your incredibly short-sighted experience.
>You aren't even baptizing them correctly.
Again, a hairsplitting issue that was put to rest before the third century ended. See the Council of Carthage from Pope Cyprian [253 AD]
> No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born
Learn your history senpai

>>137858682
Which matter on Faith or Morals changed?

>>137857854
nothing in the new testament suggests that what applies to Peter applies to anyone after him

>>137859032
And all of early Church history has them deferring to the Seat of Rome.
It also only makes sense. See>>137843644
Why would Christ leave Earth without an authority for important matters of faith/morals when he knows idiots like >>137858527 would come along spouting nonsense?

>>137835457
Nah

>catholicism
>not Orthodoxy
eastern europe isn't cucked, and doesn't have a cucked faith. Hmmmmm.

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>>137858951
Your flag checks out, are you a priest?

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>>137859270
forgot pic

>>137858775
>Whataboutism: The Post

>>137859299
Russia has one of the biggest population of muslims in Europe

>>137839015
>Can't even properly translate scripture, i.e. Thou shall not kill.
>Expects to only abide by scripture.

>>137837228
Check out this GameCube worshipper accusing others of idolatry. Have you kissed that Black Stone that looks like your mother's cunt yet Mehmet?

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>>137835457
>Traditional catholicism

What is that? Aren't all catholics forced to obey the Pope because of "divine dogma"?

We told you for centuries that obeying the Pope over Christ will fuck you up, and now it finally did. Prepare to die.

>>137858951
>following what faggots in long robes say over what Christ and the apostles said
nice

>>137858997
Vatican 2 is the church changing. Now many cuckolicks believe in evolition and the big bang when it used to be believe in creationism( yes I know a few early Christians didn't believe it but most did). You also don't kill people for translating the Bible or ((((((((((heresy)))))))))) anymore.

>>137859355
Unfortunately, yes. Even if Russia has its problems, the Orthodox faith is the one true Christian faith as it was founded by Christ and the Church Fathers.
>>137859464
orthodox brother

>>137840289
Having a longer history than 400 years and understanding that Orthodox/Catholic difference is often due to a political choice made 1000 years ago but it is an important part of national identity in many European countries. You couldn't really convince a Polish or a Hungarian religious nationalist to choose Orthodoxy over the Catholic Church (or Calvinism in the case of a relatively big percentage of Hungarians).

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>>137835457
I'm good

>>137859195
>Why would Christ leave Earth without an authority for important matters of faith/morals
>what is rhe Bible?

>>137859355
With state controlled imams

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>>137837228
>catholicism = polytheistic idol worshippers

catholicism = pedophilia, just like islam

Catholics aren't Christian. They killed more people than Muslims too.

>>137859270
Define Eastern Europe first. Also reminder that Serbia has a Lesbian PM, and Romania almost got a Muslim one.

>>137859355
Russia spans two continents.

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>>137835457

Catholics pray to the dead as well. Necromancers.

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>>137859723

>>137859552
That's one the reasons I don't believe nothing that comes out of the Russian Orthodox Church after 1917

>>137859600
But at least based Israel is your greatest ally and you have to support them because your interpretation of the Bible obliges you to do so :^)

>>137835457
Only if we pray the Rosary daily, and wear the Brown Scapular to obtain the favors it provides from Mary. The Brown Scapular allows Mary to perform miracles for us, which we'll need.

>>137859857
What's my interpretation of the bible, papist?

Catholics aren't Christians

>>137859837
I see were born before the revolution. How do you like Brazilian blood, Mr Vampire? Is it thick enough?

>>137859471
You admit in your own post that nothing on the matter of Faith/Morals has changed. Vatican 2 established new protocols for conducting certain Rites of Mass, not teachings. The Church has never dogmatically declared, ex cathredra, the validity of Creationism or Evolution/Big Bang for that matter. These are questions of Physcial Science, not of Faith and the Church readily accepts any rational explanation mankind has to offer within that scope.

The Church did not kill people for having non-Latin Bibles.
The Church excommunicated some people, it did not kill them, for having *unapproved* Bibles, not for having non-Latin Bibles.

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>>137859589
Calm down, guys. You are both right.

Catholicism is essentially the Cult of Cybele (turkic paganism btw). Which includes worship to the "Mother of Gods" and abuse of young boys.

>>137859547
>what are the million different interpretations and arguments that have been and we currently ARE HAVING over Faith/Morals
A written set was not enough, which was why He gave us the Church to guide us as we grow in Faith.

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>protestants
Children of their father, the devil.

Catholics worship a woman even though the bible tells them not to. What a bunch of cucks.

Why catholics believe in salvation through Mary when Bible literally says that you can be saved only by Christ? They are dumb or what?

>>137859837
Many of the Orthodox clergy defied the Soviet authorities during their persecution and paid with their life. The state having a huge influence over the national churches is a side effect of the nature of the Eastern Christianity and it goes back to the Schism. As far as I know the Bulgarian Orthodox Church is quite hostile towards other national Churches even today for example.
This also explains while the Turks got past the Orthodox countries in their conquest of the Balkans and their expansion was only stopped in Croatia/Hungary. The Turks let the Orthodox practice their religion, but the Churches have subjected themselves to the Sultan. And this was also the reason why the Ottomans encouraged the spread of Protestant heresies in occupied Catholic territories.

>>137859998
I see you have pretty good interpretation skills.

>>137860270
Thanks, BRuh

>>137857232
The Black Cube is a known symbol for the Demiurge aka Saturn.

You need to read Gnosticism.

>>137859970
I have no idea which of the many heretic splinter sects do you follow, but in my experience the most retarded anti-Catholics are usually Southern Baptists, and they usually support muh Israel.

>>137860146
>>137860220
We don't. If you actually read the thread you wouldn't post such trash.
see >>137848308

>>137835457
Catholicism is godless because it rejects the Bible in favor of their own anti-Christian traditions, like venerating Mary and thinking she is a virgin goddess.

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>>137859816

>>137859195
>Why would Christ leave Earth without an authority for important matters of faith/morals
he literally said that he was going so that he could send the holy spirit
Jesus, through the spirit, is still the authority for these matters

''For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.''

Keep praying to the dead, papist fools. They can't hear you.

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>>137860112
If you actually read the Bible you would know Jesus was talking to jews about that not to proddies

>>137860364
T. Special snowflake. You may believe in Christ as you should, but 99% of kektholics believe in Mary and the wafle.

>>137860017
They did execute people you reprobate. That's a moral thing that they changed.

>>137860348
I believe Jesus is the Son of God, and I believe the bible is God's word. I don't belong to any sect, or cult like Catholicism. People like you used to kill people like me a long time ago. Fortunately, my ancestors defeated you devils. Then they founded America.

>>137860238
I don't have nothing against the Orthodox Church at all. Im just stating my concern after almost a 80 years of soviet control.

>>137860364
You're a faggot. You're excluded from this conversation. lol

>>137860109
>what is forcing everyone to follow the wrong interpretation(what catholics want) instead of about half being wrong and half right(what protestantism is).

>>137858253
Islam is more or less genuine, as it establishes the rule of power and nothing else. Which is typical for warm climate nations, that has no need for society other than in case they want to dominate over someone else.

Dogma is pretty simple:
> everything that has been done and will be done is defined by allah
> so anything anyone says is a prophecy
> so if you can force or cheat others to believe you, you are the real prophet

Judaism dogma is close to Catholicism and is really
> what the rabbei says is true
> what currently shows our selfish actions in a good light

Christian dogma is
> by their fruit you will know them

Catholics could use the fruit criteria to redifine their beliefs according to populism and stay Christian, but instead they just give local savage cults Christian shrouds along with their own Cybele amendments.

>>137860572
>I know the tenets of his faith more than he does!
>>137860576
Corruption and Influence from Foreign Goverments =/= a change in belief. No where in the History of the Church was this taught as a Moral Good. You're looking at a time when The Church was often intertwined with the State so much that the secular head could denouce someone with heresy and use that as political clout to dish out the death penalty. This is not in Catholic Doctrine anywhere.

>>137860109
Also if you think it being written down isn't enough you're retarded. If the Buble says don't muder then you don't need some faggot priest to tell you that also

Could someone explain to me why catholics use magic to transform the waffle into body of Christ? I through Bible forbids using magic.

>>137859195
I must have missed in John 14:26 where Jesus said
>But each successor of Peter whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.

Catholics are the biggest promoters of degeneracy and faggotry. Second ONLY to the kikes.

>>137860698
>right(what protestantism is)
>1500 years after the fact
chortlingapostles.tif

Reminder: stay away from papists. Holy Orthodoxy is the path forward.

>>137860364
>it's not worship if we call it a different name(venerate)
Peter hot mad at someone fir bowing to him yet I bet a few of you fags bow to statues if him and his skeleton.

Acts 10
25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Jesus is the rock and we are his church, catholic perverts. Accept Him as your Lord and Savior while you still have the chance.

>>137860845
That only proves my point even better? His successors were promised to keep the Church faithful to Christ's teachings.

>>137860576
>>137860593
>muh persecution
As far as I know most of the first settlers came from Protestant countries, because their hardliner ways were too much for the authorities. Everyone killed each other for religious reasons which were usually just political ones in that era, but the English propaganda machine has overblown the cruelty of Catholics and the Inquisition for example to paint their rival, Spain in a bad light.

>>137860967
>believing that this was the actual verse

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>>137860783
Besides they did it then stopped. That's a change in the church you retard.

so why is anti jew /pol/ worshiping a jew ?

>>137860930
You can't defend sola scriptura. I've already demonstrated this again and again. By that same merit, you can't claim ANYONE to be any more correct on interpreting scripture than anyone else; hence, nothing is stopping thousands upon thousands of different (wrong) interpretations being made. Your sola scriptura ideology is self-defeating in that it leads to the validity of multiple contradictory outcomes of faith. Christ's established church has stayed true and will outlast all of these retarded heresies you keep spouting forth.

>>137860873
So why does the Catholic dogma still forbids gay marriage and considers homosexual acts as sinful? It's a sad fact that the Church has many sodomites/liberals in its ranks and they have infiltrated even the higher echelons of the Church (read about the St. Gallen Group), but they won't be able to destroy the Church.

>>137860977
I've heard all before and you're not fooling anyone. You're church is arrayed in purple and scarlet like the bible says. It's no coincidence that you have faggots in this thread defending the religion. And you guys claim to be pro white?

America was founded for White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Catholicism is Anti American and should be outlawed. Keep your degeneracy in Europe.

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>>137861091
Don't roast the fag to hard. That's God's job.

>>137861091
>arguing in poor faith
When you quote a verse, I'm operating under the assumption that you're doing it properly.

Yes, the Holy Spirit has kept Christ's Church intact and unchanging in matters of faith or morals. This is the basis of the dogma of papal infallibility: The Holy Spirit safeguards the leading Bishop of Rome from erring on heresies. This is only used when the Pope is speaking ex cathedra, as the head of the church. He can (and is) wrong on many things, not on ones regarding church doctrine.

>>137861177
Modern Jews are only jews because their ancestors denied the truth that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and their Lord and Savior, and they continue to do so. The Jews existed before Christ to specify a tribe from which the Savior would come.

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i'm not intimidated for some reason

>>137861335
Most degeneracy in Europe came from either the US or from Protestant countries. Usually there are not Christians behind them, but Protestant countries are always quicker to embrace them than Catholic ones. You can look up the religious statistics in East Germany before and after Communism for example, the Lutheran Church lost way more members than the Catholic one. Care to tell me why?

>>137861197
Again I would rather follw the word of God over the man. You put mans word before God's which why you probably also don't believe in YEC.

>>137861403
>>137861169
Intentionally deceiving someone by misquoting scripture (lying) after I've been debating you retards for hours on end is hardly a roast. And it has since been addressed>>137861426

They didn't. Show me where they did. Show me in the Catechism of the Catholic CHurch where it has ever been printed or ruled ex cathedra that this was the case.

>>137835457
not with the current pope. we need to resurrect mecha-john-paul-v3.0

>>137861557
you are literally following the word of a man who claims to know the word of God despite every bit of histolical evidence pointing to the Catholic Church as the one established by Christ. You think steve anderson is somehow in any way comparable to the 2000 year old tradition of thinkers and philosophers that have kept the Church alive

>>137835457

The most traditional catholics in the world are spics living in South America.

90% of European cathocucks haven't even been to church in a decade. And the rest are old farts.
While in the US majority of cathocucks are democrats.

Why don't you quit while you are ahead and become orthodox.

>>137861553
We shouldn't even be labeling ourselves as protestant, orthodox, catholic, Methodist etc. Bible believing Christians are the church. Jesus is the rock.
You're man made traditions will be the end of all of you. Just believe in Jesus and read the bible. Simple.

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>>137861426
>he has to speak in ex catheadra otherwise it doesn't count
That has to be one the most retarded thing you fags believe. That's like saying if Steven Anderson said "All fags and atheists go to Heaven" and means it it doesn't actually count because it wasn't in ex baptismo

>>137861426
you must be new here
my post was clearly meant to be ironic
shame on you for not knowing your scriptures

>>137861553
*your

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>>137860963
There is no Salvation except through the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

>>137861836
>become orthodox.
>following a splinter under the thumb of muslims & communists
no thanks. Come back the Church

>>137861680
The Catholic Church had way worse Popes than Francis. He has not changed Church dogma so far, just spouting feelgood nonsense which makes the liberals like him. And they often misinterpret his words as well.

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>>137861762
I don't follow what Steven Anderson says. I follow what the Bible says which is why when he makes a point he supports it with the Bible. If he were to claim something without giving a verse then I wouldn't believe it.

>>137861836
>Why don't you quit while you are ahead and become orthodox.
For the same reason a Croat or a Pole will not convert.

>>137861932

>under the thumb of muslims & communists
We liberated ourselves from muslims after the Cathocucks have failed 90% of their crusades, in the process helping the muslims. And communism is dead. It's so dead that atheism has gone down in Russia to non existant levels. While atheism grows in Italy, Spain and Portugal.

>>137861856
I can understand a protestant having a hard time understanding safeguards against heresy but I'll forgive you.

>>137862063

Croats existence is dependent on being as dissimilar to Serbs as possible while Pooland has wet dreams of conquering Russia.

According to scripture, Jesus wasn't some feminine, commie faggot with long hair like the Catholics make him out to me.
He had shorter hair and a beard. He worked for a living as a carpenter. Carpenters were stone masons in those days too So Jesus was a big dude. He whipped the gamblers and took on the Jews.
All while taking the pain without hitting back and dying on the cross for us. Jesus was a true American. When He comes back, He's bringing vengeance with him this time.

>>137861619
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-flip-flops.htm

Stop worshiping a woman

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>>137861680
Now he can kiss double the qourans

>>137861932
you're the splinter

you're following an excommunicated bishop who claims to be the master of all christians

>>137862115
Or your church is just autistic

>>137862103
>It's so dead that atheism has gone down in Russia to non existant levels
13% + 25% "spiritual but non religious" according to statistics from 2012. That's unfortunately more than non-existent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia

Romania would have been a better example, but I don't know how seriously the Orthodox Church was persecuted there compared to the Soviet Union. But in that case I could bring up Poland as a Catholic example.

Catholics=Rabid pedophiles and homo sympathizers.

>>137835457
It won't defeat shit with your cuck Pope and your desperate recruitment of niggers.

>>137862514

>That's unfortunately more than non-existent.
>Conflating Agnosticism with Atheism
>2012
Pls stop.

>Romania would have been a better example
M8 the only really bad statistic is weekly church presence because most people go to church only on Easter.

>>137862060
>that image
kek

>I follow what the Bible says which is why when he makes a point he supports it with the Bible
see, this is where the problem with protestantism arises, all protestants claim this, yet your beliefs are so wildly divergent that even two baptists churches disagree and call each other heretics who will burn in hell

>>137862755

Because Protestantism is basically having lawyers as your preists.

>>137861932
>Rome asserts all other Patriarchs must submit to Rome
>Antioch, Jerusalem, Constaninople, Alexandria all disagree
>Rome fucks off into retard land
>Remaining 4 patriarchs and traditions all remain the same
>"DURR YOU'RE THE SPLINTER"
brilliant

>>137862755
what i mean by this is, two people read the same book but draw a completely different conclusion from it

so who is right? i say the one who follows the teachings of the people who wrote it and their successors is the one who is right

>>137862198
Croatia and Serbia were different countries more than a 1000 years ago, I know you like Serbs, but you shouldn't swallow Serbian propaganda bullshit.
Poland haven't dreamed about conquering Russia since the early 17th century, but they had quite a bad experience with being ruled by Orthodox Russians after their country was partitioned.

>>137862235
>Jesus was a true American.
Your post was okay until this line, it is just pure cringe. And how do you explain that Catholics according to you think Jesus was a feminine commie, yet even in the 20th century Catholics fought against the evils of Communism with taking the name of Christ as a battlecry? Or basically the whole history of medieval Catholicism and how the Jews were treated in Catholic countries (which made them escape to Protestant ones and boost their economies)?

So, sand nigger religion from land of jews will defeat another sand nigger religion. Yay, Deus Vult!
White Christians bashing Islam for being non-western are laughable, both religions worship desert gods, only difference is that one is few hundred years older. Both degenerate and dangerous. Humanism and Rationalism pressured Christianity to change, before that, it was indistinguishable from todays Islam.
All Abrahamic religions are anti-european and anti-american. But being a hypocrite apparently isn't.

And tell me more how pre-christian europeans were savages :))))) ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Germanic_law

>>137862269
https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=101886

Jesus didn't say if you love me, pray the rosary.
Jesus didn't say if you love me, worship Mary.
Jesus didn't say if you love me, put ashes on your forehead.

Jesus said, if you love me, obey me.

>>137862819
lol yes

that's exactly what im thinking when i watch pastor anderson, "wow, this guy would be a killer lawyer", though he'd need to be a bit more serious in court, the judge would kick him out if he started mocking the opposition and making funny faces and noises at them

>>137862356
Rome's primacy was established by the first century, before all the Apostles had even died
>>137852338

>>137863061
first among equals

rome never had authority over other bishops

>>137862954

>Poland haven't dreamed about conquering Russia since the early 17th century
M8 it would be stupid to claim that there aren't both revisionist or simply jingoistic people in Pooland that hate Russia, want it dead and want to be the ones pulling the trigger. This is also partially because of Russia's 300 year long history of dicking over Poland.

>>137862747
>M8 the only really bad statistic is weekly church presence because most people go to church only on Easter.
I was looking at the 2011 census stats from Romania, 93% Christians (81% Orthodox), not bad. I've said nothing about Church attendance so don't take all my posts as an attack just because of my flag, we are not talking about our rightful clay here :^)

>>137862755
>two baptists churches disagree and call each other heretics who will burn in hell
Almost every baptist teaches salvation by faith alone so no.

>>137862902
>so who is right?
The guy who's doctrine is backed up by many clear verses and none are taken out of context or refute it. Not the gut that takes one verse out of context and has to ignore over a hundred much clearer verses.

>>137863237

No m8 the reason I brought Church attendance is because though a lot of people are Orthodox through baptism and call themselves as such, are god fearing people but they only go to church on Easter because they can't be arsed.

here is the power the roman bishop wielded before his rise in power in the middle ages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_primacy#Opposition_arguments_from_Church_Councils

>>137862954
You've seen the paintings and pictures of Jesus in churches, yes? Long hair and scrawny with a feminine face.
The Jews were treated poorly by everyone. That doesn't give Catholics ''nationalist points'' because they did too. What do you even by boosting economies? Jews DESTROY economies.
You're clearly not prepared for this debate. You're ignorant of international Jewry too it seems.

>>137862985
>1996 AD
>Catholics can believe in Evolution (Pope John Paul II)
So they couldn't before? That's a change.

>>137863369
>The guy who's doctrine is backed up by many clear verses and none are taken out of context or refute it
yes and no two baptist churches can agree on what those doctrines are, let alone all other protestants

>Almost every baptist teaches salvation by faith alone so no.
yes but your faith differs, anderson claims all other protestants, including baptists, other than his own particular baptist church are wrong

>>137862990
He actually rebuked the ine woman verating Mary.

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The one true Church, founded by Peter himself through the direct order of God Jesus Christ. Descendant of the great Roman Empire. Defended the west countless times.

The bride of Jesus Christ. The Holy Catholic Church.

>>137863553
>yes and no two baptist churches can agree on what those doctrines are, let alone all other protestants
Because people take verses out of cintext or don't look at verses that are about the samething to get a beeter picture

>other than his own particular baptist church are wrong
No. He does rhink non-baptists are wrong because they don't follow what the Bible says in baptism. He still thinks they can be saved because it's by faith alone.

>>137863398
Long hair like they depict everyone from that time period, not really scrawny but not bulky either (considering that most people during that time period who did physical labour were not bulky due to their diet), and definitely not a feminine face.

Jews destroy economies when they overfeed on their hosts, but when they are expelled from a country and move on to another one, they initially boost the economy by providing finance expertise etc. Apparently your country proved to be such a good host that they have managed to take control because only a few people has seen through they ways.

>>137862235
>that drivel
Top kek, that's some advanced level of trolling.

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>>137863845
Yeah they are doing a great job defending the west

>>137863161
Except their continual deferment to their ruling
>Ignatius of Antioch
"You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force" (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [A.D. 110]).
>Cyprian of Carthage
"With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and b.asphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252]).

>>137864017
lol

>>137863548
The Church never ruled on it because its not a matter of Faith, but Physical Science.

>>137863887
>Because people take verses out of cintext or don't look at verses that are about the samething to get a beeter picture
Whose to say your picture is superior to anyone elses?
You have no standing authority and it show with the millions of splinter groups your kind vomit forth every decade.

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Bait thread started by a Muslim
Idiots...

>Deferring your spiritual guidance to a cuck in Rome
yeah no

>>137864017
All arguments against the True Church are just created by Novus Ordo and in now way accepted by traditionalists.

We are talking about the Traditional Catholic Church here, not the heretical modern 2.0 you are now seeing.

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>>137835457
Get That Irish American Bishop who Said that islam is trying to wipe us out into The Vatican already to Overthrow the antipope.
Deus Veult.

>>137859600
Siding with Islam over fellow Christians, you need dragged through the streets, hung drawn and then quartered you traitorous swine.

Praise God!
gnight you cheeky bastards

>>137864387
see >>137858682

>>137864070
how does this prove their authority over others?

see>>137863396

>Not one Ecumenical Council was called by a pope;

>Documents of the early church were never dated by a pope, and certainly the early Fathers never had to submit their private interpretations to the imprimatur of the Vatican

> “Pope Vigilius wrote a treatise for home consumption, but the Fifth Ecumenical Council immediately forced this Roman bishop to retract his heretical views, and his successor, Pope Pelagius, officially approved this Eastern decision”.

etc.

these are all later developments

>>137864141
Besides it is faith you retard. It contradicts what the Bible teaches iver and over again.

>>137838046

it is over, you have to be a leftie have an university career

stahp please

>>137864228
Who's to say your faggy church that doesn't even follow it is better?

>>137840121

right after it will cease to exist

>>137843161
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Charamsa

> suspended

>>137864655
And what does that image imply? That we should not have a council who spent all their lives in theology to interpret the bible?

You're a protti who believes in sola scriptura. The reason why Christians divided into 40,000+ denominations just because they have different interpretations of specific verses.
>hey look I've got the bible, I'll just read it now
>hey I have different interpretation of this verse
>makes my own church
>sola scriptura

>>137864803
the catholics follow(or at least attempt to) the apostles and their successors who pass down the correct teaching of the bible

the apostles and their successors are the authority on the bible, not some pastor or renaissance era theologian

>>137865072
Well let's see what the apostles taught

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

"saved through faith" well it looks like you don't have to do any works. "gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you don't need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(see John 6:38-40 for the Father's will)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It looks like those people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off.
Looks like relying on your works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven

>>137866324
Jesus said they work iniquity because thy rely on their works. Let's see wgat happens to people that work iniquity.

Matthew 13
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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>>137835457
Amen.

>>137865030
That your a faggot who thinks the catholic church is The True Church Of God^tm but you get to just choose when to stop following them

>>137866324
>>137866525
like all protestant interpretations, these are refuted by the church, not even gonna bother looking it up

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>>137837228
>turkroach stops by to spread some heresy
whats new in the world?

>>137866785
Please tell me then what it actually means without saying
>he meant the opposite of what he clearly said

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>>137839015
>worships the KJV and not God
>claims Catholics arent christians