Can we at least agree that both the Alt-right and Alt-left

agreed

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>>137819499
this

>>137819499
Yes.

>white supremacist alt-right neocon (that browses /pol/ and r/thedrumpf and unironically believes everything they say) shouts "FUCK ALL GAYS AND LGBT FUCK BLACK PEOPLE WHITE PEOPLE AND JEWS THEY DESERVE TO DIE" while carrying pistols and rifles and wielding flaming torches

>some guy punched them for being a fag
>"WOW LOOK AT THIS GUY I DINDU NUFFIN YET WHY DID YOU PUNCH ME?!?!?!? THAT CLEARLY MEANS YOU ARE JUST AS WRONG AS ME AND WE BOTH ARE LIABLE FOR THIS FAGGOTRY"

That rally was the last straw. Even Fox News doesn't defend you shits anymore. The alt-right at this point are almost considered terrorists, tearing America apart. They're an even bigger cancer than Shillary could ever be.

The alt-left only exist to exterminate the alt-right. If the alt-right is purged, bingo, the alt-left disappears.

>>137819499
normal people look at them as children. arrest them all and force the unemployed ones to get jobs.

>>137819499
absolutely.
>inb4 conquer and divide thread shill cucks!

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>>137819499
Yep. I'm pissed at all the people mad at me for defending free speech.
Not sure how it's so fucking difficult to be held accountable for your own actions. You get all the words you want- don't physically attack unless attacked yourself.

>haha yeah guise! centrism and moderates ftw!

weak ass faggots

I am admittedly ignorant on this matter. With that said, what exactly is the *goal* of the "alt-right" & the "alt-left", respectively?

>>137819499
All totalitarian faggots can fuck off.
NO STEP

>>137820205
Speech is not force. If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, you're a murder and an order-follower.
I am still morally wrong for inciting violence, but you have crossed the boundary from speech to attacking.
I have to deal with the consequences and so do you.
Can't people fucking control themselves? Oh wait they're paid by Soros to turn the US into a civil-war Marxist shithole.

>>137819499
If you're an authoritarian faggot then you can fuck off

>>137820205
come on man, youre not fooling anyone.
antifa IS a communist terrorist group that has been attacking citizens since before the election, just for supporting trump, or not supporting hillary
the "alt-right" JUST united for the first time.

>>137820625
> All totalitarian faggots can fuck off.
> NO STEP

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>>137819499
I just want my country to be ok.

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Yes. I just wanted to larp online as a far right winger. These people ruined it by going there and killing someone. No one was redpilled, they just broke rules 1&2 and now the hive is coming.

>>137820205
>The alt-left only exist to exterminate the alt-right
And I exist to fling lead into your commie skull if a civil war breaks out.

Communism is unamerican and any "alt-left" faggot has an enemy in me.

>>137819499
Ctrl-left*

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>>137821059
as long as you love her, her constitution, her rights, and her rules towards legal citizenship.... she will be fine.... also blacks need to stop committing half of all homicides, but one thing at a time I suppose...

>>137820737
>I am still morally wrong for inciting violence, but you have crossed the boundary from speech to attacking.
Yeah, being a faggot and getting punched for insulting everything and everyone and being a total ass is my fault?

>>137820925
>antifa IS a communist terrorist group that has been attacking citizens since before the election
They're being assfuck because of white supremacist assholes who like in basements like r/thedumpf fags.

I don't like them, but I don't like the alt-right even more. They're the bigger cancer.

Do they use social media? Then they're a fag. Hell, I bet there are fags in this very thread

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>>137819499
Alt-right nazi autismo imagery and messaging has done more damage to whites than any anti-white force

>>137819499

OP your flag is upsetting to me.

It looks too much like the Demiurge and its insulting to your Allies the Gnostics.

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Reminder that all libertarians are either misguided/deluded betas or twisted, degenerate kikes who want free reign to spread their perversions and auction off white society to the highest bidder

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>>137819499

The Nazi and White nationalist faggots are cringe. You're not getting rid of the niggers, spics or kikes. So you better figure out a way to incorporate them into your society and bring them into your tent. There is no other realistic option.

Also if you welcome all BASED people, suddenly the Marxist kikes don't have anyone to exploit anymore.

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>>137819499
I say alt-rights and alt-lefts are faggots, but alt-lefts are more faggots because they are louder.

And centrists are pussies.

Yes, this sounds right.

>>137820205
the "alt-left" practically helped create the alt-right. once the alt-right is gone they'll just continue labeling anyone who disagrees with them on anything a nazi.

Don't even think of voting Republican or third party or else you're a nazi or a nazi sympathizer.

There is no such thing as alt left you mongoloid

>>137819499
>alt left
Theres no such things a s alt left since no actual lefist group thats big enough to make a difference has ever called themselves alt left. If your talking about Antifa then yeah those are the dictionary definition of faggot. The alt right are quivering pussies who troll /pol/ and blame someone else for still living in their moms basements, they are the conservative SJWs. Everyone involved rn is a faggot, agreed.

>>137820205
>The alt-left only exist to exterminate the alt-right.
Antifa has existed for the better part of a century, faggot. Alt-right is new, and the lefties and the MSM are the best recruiting tool the alt right could have. You leftie faggots are like a nazi factory. They're both collectivist trash.

>can we all just let a shill thought-lead a bit here?
>one-line
>one-post

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>>137819499
Agreed.

Only alt-right are evil.

This angle >>137821815 is constantly shilled by them because they fear national socialists making legitimate inroads with black separatist factions, who have the actual power to strip the Marxists of their useful idiots in the negro community

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>>137821766
You're retarded.

>>137820525
alt-right is a white identitarian movement. they want to create a "white ethno-state".

"alt-left" is composed of antifa, who are anarcho-communist that employ fascist tactics to intimidate and silence anyone opposed to their ideology, and other leftist identitarian groups such as BLM, who basically hate whites or anyone not on the progressive stack. For some idiotic reason they tend to support islamists and sharia as well.

>>137819499
Yes. Vision Master Rand Paul 2020

>>137822220
And white supremacists and people violent against lgbt and pro-nazi, and antisemitic existed since the 1st century. Get your deluded brain out of your ass.

>>137821493
>Yeah, being a faggot and getting punched for insulting everything and everyone and being a total ass is my fault?
If you cross the line into what is legally known as fighting words, yeah, getting punched is your fault.

>>137819499
America is a prison and you gotta pick a gang.

Define alt-right. You can't because it's a made up term. Alt-left on the other hand has been scientifically proven. The science is settled.

>>137821493
>voted for trump
>automatically a nazi racist biggot because they didnt want a fake lying cunt like hillary or a socialist bernie.
sorry, you dont derseve my hard earned income because you cant work from your "anxiety"
try it with ptsd fucks

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>>137819499
No, they cater to the overly neurotic versions of either methods of thinking, liberal/conservative, i.e. the highly intelligent, mostly introverted. Like it or not, they aren't retarded. They're just different. Like sea mollusks and giraffes.

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>>137822484
Not an argument.

I damn money in the form it exists in capitalism; to purchase the economy, and by extension the society.

>>137819499
They both are super naive and childish in their faggotry but their faggotry is not their own, it is the faggotry of the globalists, which is the strongest of all autism.
On the plus side, lots more of these tards are going to die on both sides.

>>137822556
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>>137822420

Nigger, I live in the real world. You're little Nazi roleplaying is going nowhere. Hitler had one of the greatest armies in military history sitting around getting drunk and bored when he came to power. You niggers are a bunch of cringey chubby autistic faggots who will simply never be accepted by America. You're little daydreams will never happen. There's a tiny amount of you, you're counter to everything this country stands for and you are toxic to anything you touch. Not to mention you faggots are SOCIALISTS.

If conservativsm is going to survive in this country, you faggots have to be purged.

>>137822585
Nobody said it would be your fault, it only means the other party has the right to defend himself by law.

That does NOT fall to you shitty false equivalent argument.

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>>137821464
Alright, I'll keep doing that then.

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>>137819499
I've been saying this for months. Alt right and antifa are stickfighting niggers that belong in an oven. Apes have no place in proper society.

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>>137821815
The problem is that for every BASED person you bring in, there is a horde of others that will out-vote the based one. Minority groups vote in vast majorities for democrats/communists. There is simply no way around this. I don't judge individuals based on skin color, but I will fight to be allowed to free associate with Whites. That means not participating in garbage like affirmative action or having statues of the founders torn down because they were white, there is no appeasing communists. Pragmatism needs to be considered on the subject of how each race votes in a democracy or we will be overwhelmed by leftists.

>>137822220
Yeah, but not all anti fascist movements were bad.
Iron Front were solid, they killed commies and fascists. Which is ironic because their symbol was appropriated by the American far left, who they would have gladly kicked the shit out of.
They should be brought back desu.

>>137819499
I'm just ready for the extremists to cancel each other out so we can stop talking about politic bullshit all the time

We need to start a centrists movement, with based Styx as our massa

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>>137819499
yes

>>137823159

Don't get me wrong. I think affirmative action, immigration and virtually all leftist faggotry is utter civilization killing none sense.

But it's simply a numbers game. Either you accept BASED fags, niggers, dykes, spics and all manner of people who want to be proud Americans or you lose. There is no other option. Your faggoty race war and purging sub-humans will never happen. You need to accept conservative minorities and accept them as equals, otherwise we're in a communist anti-white country in 10 years.

And there's tons of BASED subhumans out there. There's no reason these people should be alienated or cast out if they pay their taxes, don't commit crime and are willing to live and let live.

There is no other option.

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>>137823008
Conservatism won't survive in this country. The principles of the founding fathers were abandoned over a century ago. The South seceded, to preserve them, and lost.
The same will happen again if by some miracle you manage to gain power and successfully revert things to how they were then; because your notions about "liberty" are a lie. The truth that's created by your system is ultimately a nightmare that healthy human beings don't want to be subjected to.

>>137823154
Individualism and empiricism are large parts of the foundation of Western Civilization. Neither the left, nor the alt right are for individualism, and I'm not sure if the alt right is for empiricism. The lefties aren't. They follow postmodern philosophy, whether they know it or not, where it is consensus, not, fact and logic that defines their reality. If they come to the consensus that you are a Nazi, then to them, you are a Nazi, no matter the facts, and that justifies violence against you. I have yet to see what the philosophical underpinnings of the alt-right are, or if they have even been developed.

>>137823450
All praise John Burke.
Hegel and Arendt, not Marx and Evola. Okay?
We /radicalcentrism/ now.

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>>137823008
Most of them aren't even Nazis. They call themselves Nazis because they have been conditioned to do that. When no other group will stand up for Whites, they will go to the only group that does. Most the the Nazis you see are actually NatCaps and Anti-Globalists/Anti-Multiculturalism. The name and imagery need to go IMMEDIATELY, the swastika, runes, black sun, etc need to be put aside. The ideas can stay, they just need to be said under the American flag.

No more autistic runes or purity spiral swastikas. Show up with that at a white nationalist rally and you should lose your teeth for doing damage to the movement.

>>137823796
*Edmund Burke
Fucking autocorrect.

>>137823796
Wez always been radicalcentrists

>>137823926
No, let them use them.
Let everyone use them. The more they appear in everyday life, the more the stigma and conditioning breaks down.
The shock value has already plummeted since 10 years ago.

Associating all of it with the American flag as well would be a very good thing, though.

>>137823690
maybe start out by stop calling them subhumans and racist bullshit names? you're not going to win allies by calling them subhuman.

>>137819499
absolutely

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>>137820525
Alt-right just wants whites not go extinct in 120, an ethnostate is also the goal, but the leader is a downright moron and has a hard time getting this across.

Alt-left is just a new wave of communism

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>>137823690
This is why many people think civil conflict or war is guaranteed. Not due to racism in any malevolent fashion, but because the minorities just will not stop taking away rights until they are stopped. I don't disagree with working with those that share our values, but pretending like whites aren't allowed to have a say as a group only drives more people to say 'fuck it, I'll accept the nazi label if I get a group'. Even the based ones are likely to have children that cause the same problems.

I do not know the solution. I just know that whites must be treated as a group just like every other group is now. Identity politics is a helluva drug, and once one side starts the other follows. Identity politics is like firing the nukes, mutually assured destruction, and the left has already fired theirs.

>>137819499
Both of them are controlled opposition
anyone who unironically believes altright was a real thing got fooled, we covered it so many times and pointed out that it was one big honeypot

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>>137824491

Maybe you shouldn't be a retarded faggot cuck nigger cunt bitch. If you're offended by words, maybe leddit is more your speed.

>>137824660
*Just wants whites to not go extinct in 120 years

>>137819499
>Can we at least agree
Never. Death to tyrants.

>>137823313
>Iron Front
Fair enough, but why should we bring German ideologies in? Why not grow The Sons of Liberty or something? The more distinctly American, the better the fit. I think we're better off with something that has positive goals rather than negative ones, i.e. stating what we stand for rather than what we stand against.

>>137824701
>I do not know the solution.
Follow George Lincoln Rockwell

>>137819499
>Ancap
>Not alt
Ok

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>>137819499
And once again, centrism wins. You all attacked us before but now you're all sucking our centrist cock.

>>137824963
Care to explain

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>>137824339
I understand this argument, it's the same argument Rockwell used, but Rockwell use just a real conservative fighting neo-cons. He used the swastika as a way to gain media attention, and was interesting because he was a 'Nazi' that spouted traditional American views.

Just like Pepe the frog being called a Nazi frog, the swastika label is only effective when it is used to mislabel something. Now that any form of white identity is considered 'nazi', flying the swastika only confirms that you are a nazi. Flying the American flag and being called a Nazi is much more effective. Just because they're going to call us Nazi doesn't mean we should work to confirm that.

>>137819499
T. Spic general

>>137825257
Did I skip to the timeline where anarchism is somehow normalized?
Shouldn't have taken that siesta. ..

>>137823775
Well said.

>>137825058
Just as long as you stick to collecting internet gold while we storm the streets and take over

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>>137819499
Yes

>>137824710
oh so you're not offended when all these fucks call white people pieces of shit and that we should be wiped out? degrading someone isn't going to endear them to you. don't try to fucking do this bullshit false equivalency shit about me being offended, because it isn't the same as you deliberately calling everyone else subhuman, just like the fucks on the left call all white people racist. you're just proving them right with your fucking childish reactions that you've clearly shown just now.

>>137826035
fuck this gay ass place, burn /pol/ to the ground, when all the SJW bullshit started cropping up i was like "what the fuck is this bullshit", and it started pushing me even further right because i was being attacked just for being white. might as well go with the people that support who i am if another side is wanting to kill me, right? then you dudes went full on nazi, and now the news shows what all of you are: a bunch of fat fucking anime loving basement dweller virgins who hit their mothers because bideo james, and then you latch onto that fucking racist bullshit. there was legitimate reason to fucking fight all these communist fucks pushing all this crazy ass social justice warrior agenda, because it was quite literally insane. instead of standing up against it, all of you idiots went full fucking retard racism nazi bullshit because you couldn't form a coherent opposition to insane leftist ideas. i don't fucking care if you tell me you're not a nazi, all the fucking bullshit you idiots spew is a bunch of fucking bullshit. there's good people out there of every race, don't fucking sink down to this racist shit, it WON'T win you any allies. you fuckers could have had TONS of allies just pushing back against leftist propaganda, but nope gotta fucking sieg heil and think you're cool dudes sitting behind a keyboard repeatedly typing nigger kike jew spic. suck my dick you fat little autist faggot, your whole fucking generation is trash, left and right. i hope a fucking civil war kicks off so i can kill as many of you stupid fucks as possible, along with all the fucking communists.

>>137822543
>>137824660

Wait, not wanting to go extinct in 120 years and an ETHNOSTATE are way different from each other. Is there a percentage of the population that needs to be white? Is it 100%? What constitutes "white"?

If you're really fighting for 80% or above white-ness factor, you will have to literally kill off or forcibly deport millions and millions of people.

This is where reality sets in and you realize that's not going to happen.

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>>137826035

I don';t give a fuck you nigger faggot. I'm not a child. Sticks and stones.

>>137824840
It's a shame, because I feel like we're being forced into a false narrative where you're presented with either the choice of totalitarian flavor #1 or totalitarian flavor #2.

I mean when was the last time you saw someone mention John Locke or The Federalist Papers? It's either you're fascist or you're a communist. The idea of a political body founded upon natural involiable rights as a contract between the state and the governed has all but vanished from public discourse, as has taking action based upon non-ideological practical means.
/centrism/ needs to make a comeback.

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>>137825841
>while you storm the streets

Because that worked so well last time, right? How are those Confederate statues doing?

>>137826272
Explain this autism.

>>137826219
ooooh can't even form a fucking competent argument can you? NIGGER NIGGER FAGGOT MOM GET ME MY TENDIES

>Can we at least agree
How a Jew starts an argument

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I never even heard of the term Alt-left until yesterday. But if it suits people I suppose, I'll just keep referring to them as ANTIFA and corporate progressives. The real question is how do we put an end to these idiotic groups before they end up killing each other in streets? Identity politics must be stopped before it's too late.

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>>137824853
This is a different time, and Rockwell's movement had Rockwell. It was specific to him, in the same way Trump's strategy only works if you are Trump. The strategy of the American Nazi Party are not cookie cutter solutions that just anyone can pick up and apply, you need the same charisma and humor of GLR. GLR also lived in an 80%+ white nation and needed to use the swastika to gain media attention before the internet existed. Consider the importance of adaptation to the modern era, even Hitler had some fantastic quote on acting in the most effective manner for the modern time.

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>>137826356

What argument is needed? You're acting like a typical snowflake faggot being offended by words on FUCKING 4CHAN and wanting me to stop using them. Fuck you bitch, kill yourself.

>>137821493
>getting punched for insulting everything
Violence as a response to words? Sounds like some people have no self control.

>>137827012
i don't give a fucking shit if you say anything racist, you're missing my point. i'll repeat it: you talk of being allied with "based subhumans" and yet you continue to use racist words. again: you aren't going to win allies talking like that. that's all i'm fucking saying. i don't give a FUCK if you say nigger kike spic wop beaner faggot, do whatever you want dude. just don't act like people are going to want to be on the same side as you as you're calling them subhuman.

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>>137826418
pic related is what I mean.
It's a different time, true. The biggest difference is the internet; we don't need a certain leader in order for the movement to get rolling.

>>137825058
If the majority of the right becomes centrists won't that be the new right? You will have to keep moving left to stay in the center and that is what has been happening the past few decades. The right moves towards the center and the left moves further to the left. Bill Clinton would probably be considered radical right wing if he ran today on his 1992 platform. No way he would win the democrat primaries anyway.

>>137827501
I think it's centrism in the broader context of the history of political ideology, in which both the far right and far left are totalitarian in their ideology.
Not necessarily in the strictly American sense of republican v. democrat.

>>137826154
Not sure, most anons say they want to ship everybody to there ethnic homelands. I'm not alt-right, but I am white so the alt-right benefits me and leftists have made it clear that whites are evil

>>137827501
That is why you should quit worrying about labels and figure out what your principles are, then evaluate how realistic they are, and once you have something that is workable, stick to those. Call me a libtard, a nazi, a racist, an asshole, a conservashit, etc... I do not give a fuck. Tell me I should move further to the right or the left, and I do not give a fuck. I know who I am.

>>137828021
>ancaps playing the role of jews
Almonds thoroughly activated

yeah both are super kinda gigaretards

>>137828229
Survival of the fittest? Triggered that you're a scrub?

>>137827869
You can oppose leftists without yourself becoming a totalitarian. You're the very thing that is giving them political legitimacy. Their beliefs are largely unpalatable to the majority of Americans, but because you have taken on the role of the "other" in society that is morally unpalatable you are seen as acceptable to be totally eradicated, in the process of which you are giving the political vehicle for the ascendency of the totalitarian left. Without your psychological impact on the American people; this would be otherwise impossible.

>>137820205
m8 we're called reactionaries for a reason

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>>137828652
>Survival of whoever can make me the most money
I almost pity you for thinking they'd let you join them at the top on the basis that you "worked hard for it" :')

alt-right has turned into a bunch of whiny cunts.
it can't handle simple criticisms like richard spencer is an idiot
and killing your movement.

I think the alt-left is worse because they are consistently violence and destructive. that's worse than words and ideas no matter what. I'm so fed up with the incredible dishonesty from the left, saying the reason they defend the violence of ANTIFA is because they were 'fighting Nazis'. well, this Alt-Left violence has been going on for a long time, long before Nazis marched on Charlottesville. the violence of groups like ANTIFA and BLM has been defended time and time again, even when there were no Nazis marching. Ferguson, Baltimore, D.C., Charlotte, Portland, Berkeley, Dallas, Milwaukee, and on and on and on. there is no violence the left won't defend if it's done by the 'right' people, to the 'right' people, no actual Nazis required.

>>137819499
Leftists started it
Now its all cancer

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>>137819499
They will both get nipped on the day of the snek

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>>137829465
It's pretty sad that I liked it more when these nitwits were around.

>>137819499
They sure are faggots. You just don't take the shit out on the street. To be honest, I Hate both with a passion.

>>137819499
faggots and tools. antifa are molochs fuccbois and alt-right are fucking dupes

>>137820205
>thinking that anyone who ever gains power relinquishes it

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They're both puppets. That's for sure.

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>>137830049
The kekistan guys at least understood that the if you were going to be called a nazi, it needed to be ridiculous. Calling kekistani guys running around in Pepe masks nazis was beyond lunacy, and it made the media/left look insane. They were mislabeled and it took the sting out of the nazi label. Walking around with swastikas, black suns, and runes just means that any ideas you put forward are instantly discredited.

Just fly the fucking American flag. If everyone at charlottesville had one it would be associated with nazism and the left would burn more of them.

>>137821493
cancer is cancer anon. the alt-lefts goals are far deeper than you think. alt-right are dupes and fools but their goals are clearly stated. alt-left is far more amorphous in their mission and that is what makes them extremely dangerous. their handlers are pushing a postmodern agenda - ie. the rejection of all metanarratives. this is a completely different way to approach logic and thinking and seeks to overturn foundational concepts in thinking. you must understand postmodernism before you can understand the pathology of the antifags, most in their group dont understand and are just dupes as well but their leaders do. this has become my only motivation on /pol/ now, exposing to people exactly what postmodernism is because i havent heard it explained all that well and i dont think lots of people are very familiar with it just yet because they just think theyre commies. theyre not entirely, thats just the closest thing they can think of, postmodernism is a completely new type of pathology that only came out in like the 70s. postmodernism is like communism 2.0, so in context with todays world communism is pretty outdated because its all postmodernism now. would anyone like to know more about what it actually is?

>>137819499
obviously

>>137833161
i bet to people like you and me, this seems real obvious. unfortunately the fags doing all the collaboration are the type of people who make and use discord.

>>137822555
america is unironically doomed if they dont elect rand in 2020. trump is governing well on domestic issues but he doesnt seem cut out for international politics just yet. he might come good, who knows. people here should already be gearing up for the randvolution. thats why theres shilling here and so much bait threads, because they want to keep the cat distracted with a toy to stop it from hunting its prey. they fear what autists can do so theyd rather they were screeching instead of being weaponized

trump was john the baptist, but rand is jesus

>>137823008
conservatism will always be around anon. dont worry about it surviving or not.