How can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments

>>137729659
because northern italians are basically german

>>137729659
>Hiding his flag
Really STASIs my nazis.

>>137729659
we were too busy finding new lands and rulling huge empires.
not that you'd know that.

>>137729659

The same fucking thread again. Stop hiding behind that flag you fucking favela monkey.

>>137729659
Same thread hours ago. OP - Brazilian with Italian and probably jewish too to d&c.

he might be repetitive but he's right.

>>137729659
Too busy fighting each other, the muslims and exploring the world.

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>>137729659
>Spanish Empire
>Portugese Empire
All the Italian faggots ever had was a bunch of city states (and Papal state) that kept warring with each other. Historically speaking Ferrara or Luca were completely fucking irrelevant when compared to Iberians. And the biggest one, Naples, was under Spanish rule for couple hundred years.

>>137730671
everything was argued and answered yesterday in
>>137637822 you can check out.

>>137729659
>Iberians:Retards who painted like 5 year olds
Salvador Dali was at least very skilled.

>>137731655
Except, you know, the Roman Empire

>>137729659
population density and wealth

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>>137731811
Has OP ever heard of Goya or Velazquez?

>>137732539
no

>>137729659
Portugal and Spain controlled empires.

Italy couldn't even hold on to Ethiopia.

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>>137732253
Oh yes, Romans were so Italian they had to import their entire culture from Greece. Took their art, took their gods, even took the fucking alphabet (Chalcidian). Romans stole more than niggers.

>>137732762
Germany and Italy had the lamest colonies ever, just because they wanted to be like us (the countries with overseas territory that were worth anything).

>>137729659
Is mostly this >>137731704 we all love Italy and despise France

They're not really that much alike. Iberians originate from Celts and Basques to a smaller extent, the latinisation came later, with the Roman empire. Also, the muslim conquest left a strong mark on Iberian culture as well.

>>137733654

Iberians are a mix of German crusaders, Gauls, Romans.

Iberia was good land for cattle, grapes, wheat, olives. Retired Roman soldiers settled it to farm it. Celts who didn't submit got kicked out.

The aqueducts and farming infrastructure built by the Romans increased the population Iberia held.

Moors and Arabs got kicked out. Medieval Iberia was segregated and miscegenation was not encouraged among the Christian kingdoms.

>>137733654
South Italy Sicily and Sardina was Part of Aragon and after that of Spain too 3 centuries 1282-1678

>>137729659

Why, it's almost like intelligence has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with culture.

Italians/Romans stole most of they culture from the Greeks

>>137734182

Outlaw Germans, German adventurers used to take pilgrimages to Iberia where they'd join the war against the Muslims.

German kings would send troops to reinforce the Christian Kingdoms.

Also, the Northernmost kingdoms who didn't bend the knee to the Muslim were run by Germans who were descendants of Visigoths.

Iberia was a PVP MMO battleground for 700+ years.

This is kind of wrong. Cordoba was a knowlege and artistic center for a while. Great architecture too. Later on the region just lacked political stability to be productive in that way.

Also, lots a famous spanish painters you are just uncultured

>>137734297
You retarded or something? See >>137729813
North Italians are closer related to Germans than any spainiard can hope to be.

>>137729659
One word: Guitar... mic drop. and flat earth! But really Da Venci had Greek mom, and thought his fellow Italians were retarded.

>>137729659
>Retards who painted like 5 year olds.
Sure, Picasso, Goya and Dalí were all retarded.

>>137729813
This sounds like a very likely explanation.

>>137729659
>another shitting on Europeans thread
hello my fellow american!

We have good painters.

As for the rest, yes, Italy is better than us. Miguel de Unamuno argued that Spain was a country of doers (eg. the conquest of america), not thinkers, although that point will very hard to defend on pol

>>137729659
So are Sicilians. That's what abundant North African/Arab mixture does to a European people. This should be a warning to leftists, but they can't even see it when it's right in their face. Greece knows what's up, its in their blood to be a vanguard against brown shits.

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>>137729659
El Greco
Zurbaran
Jose de Ribera
Velazquez
Goya
Madrazo family
Mariano Fortuny
Sorolla
Picasso
Dali
Joan Miró

i know it was bait but in my case that i like painting i get triggered. I could post more painters but these ones are the most importants.

I have nothing more to say, bye

>>137732975

>took their gods

You are fucking retarded. The entirety of European paganism between even seemingly disparate cultures such as Insular Celts and Greeks are all extraordinarily similar with only superficial differences, because they all share their same origins in proto-indo-european paganism.

>>137735663
>Miró
I really h8 Picasso but the blue is ok to me, but I despise Miro

>>137729659
> Pretends to know all those names.
You are trying too hard anon.

>>137735795
Romans were one of the best copy pasters to exist. Italians are deceitful.

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>>137735924
at least he is better than fucking Tapies

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>>137735336
>North African/Arab mixture
This meme again

>>137729813
>because northern italians are basically german

This is not true because the Alps are a significant genetic barrier

Northern Italy has been a settled 'capitalist' society for longer than the fringes of Northern Europe

There were surely selective pressures for intellect from approx 300BC to the Renaissance, which were less prevalent in places such as coastal Norway or Ireland were more forms of work were physical in nature

A similar story to Ashkenazi Jews

>>137735795
It's well documented and not controversial that Romans directly adopted Greek deities and culture in general.

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And yet you Italians are still fucking useless compared to us.

Fix your shit, useless, lazy box heads.

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>>137729659
>How can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between two such closely related peoples like Italians and Iberians?
>Mathematicians
Iberian Mathematicians
XVI Century:
>Juan de Celaya
>Pedro Chacón
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Pedro Ciruelo
>Martín Cortés de Albacar
>Pedro Esquivel
>Jaime Juan Falcó
>Jerónimo Girava
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Juan de Rojas y Sarmiento
>Pedro Juan de Lastanosa
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Gaspar Lax
>Juan Martínez Guijarro
>Juan de Ortega (matemático)
>Pedro Ambrosio de Ondériz
>Pedro de Medina
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Juan Pérez de Moya
>Martín de Rada
>Jaime Salvador Solano
>Baltasar Torres
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
XVII Century:
>Francisco de Artiga
>Juan Caramuel
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Jerónimo Cortés
>Julio César Firrufino
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Sebastián Izquierdo
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Antonio Hugo de Omerique
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Miguel de Quirós
>Sebastián de Rocafull
>Tomás Vicente Tosca
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
>Bernardo José Zaragoza
XVIII Century
>Vicente Alcalá Galiano
>Gaspar Álvarez
>Juan Claudio Aznar de Polanco
>Benito Bails
>Juan García Berruguilla
>María Andrea Casamayor
>Tomàs Cerdà
>Gabriel Císcar
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Juan Antonio Desvalls
>Antonio Eximeno
>Antonio Pablo Fernández-Solano
>Alonso de Frías y Zelarayán
>Juan Justo García
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Jorge Juan
HOW CAN ITALIANS EVEN COPETE?

>>137729659
There are 5 things that make us move:
1. Gold
2. Purging heretics
3. Partying
4. Relaxing
5. Women

That's about it, almost no one cares about anything else. The ancient Iberians were known as mercenaries too. We were bred for war not math and painting, unless there's a lot of money involved that pushes it.

>>137736434
Ever heard of the fucking kingdom of Lombardy? The Germans moved into northern Italy and then that area became part of the HRE which was intergrated well into that cultural sphere.

They also benifited from greeks fleeing the turks and bringing byzantine knowledge with them

The Spaniards on the other hand were basically half Arab by the end of the reconquista.

>>137736644

It was easy to do so because they all harkened back to a prehistoric proto-Indo-European pantheon.

>>137736644
Rome focused more in Empire expansion and Greece more in trades, overall Rome contributed more to the development of Europe with roads irrigation and all that

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>>137729659

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>they don't know about the moorish leonardo da vinci of the 9th century

Reminder that it's a confirmed brazilian favela macaco having daddy issues doing D&C who copypastes threads and doesn't reply even once. Last hread was >>>137637822 and everything was discussed.

Also a friendly reminder that sage goes in the options field.

>>137737059
>It was easy to do so because they all harkened back to a prehistoric proto-Indo-European pantheon.
Possibly, but it's important to note that no one at that time would have known anything about that connection.

>>137729659

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Go get an education, you moron. I am not here to bash on the great Italianbros of the past. They were truly great. Up to the 1800s they were unmatched in all of Europe. Maybe by the Brits... but still.

Despite the fact that we have been falling behind the Italianbros ever since 753 b.C. I'll tell you that we were certainly not as far behind them in any field or endevour as most of Northern and Eastern Europe.

Also, Italianbros back then were to busy being second class citizens while we were building empires and beating muslims.
Also, we (well, the Spaniards... well, specially the Catalans) rulled Italy for most of the time so...

Really, get an education.

Mathematicians: Pedro Nunes. (I know nothing about most Italians you posted, I don't like Maths much).

Scientists: See... We basically re-invented seamanship. We were pioneers in aviation; we... we...

Inventors: We recently invented a lot of shit like pre paid cards and shit.

Painters: Zé Malhoa, Bordalo Pinheiro... our mastership over tiles and "floor stones" is legendary.

Fuck off and get an education.

>>137733511

Based Spanish bro.

>speaking about historical italians as a single entity
>trying to divide and conquer the medbros
>broscience genetical explanations

kys all of you fags

>>137732539

Really, to me Goya is right there among the greatest of Italy.
Way better than Da Vinci in my opinion.

If you want to talk trash about Portuguese painters be my guest, but Spanish painters were actually some of the best in the world.

To me, painting is:
French Academicists
Spanish and Italian painters;
Some XIX century British guys.

And there's no more.

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>>137729659
>Faggin

>>137732975

Based Polish bro,

Don't be like that. Romans were really really cool.
Romans set the foundations of our civilisation and we only equaled them in the 1800s and we are already in (great) decline.

Romans were very original in their technical skills, their combat skills and discipline, as well as tactics and strategy... their engeneering skills were legendary.
And their political system, their roads, their "mos maiorum" / values... They were very very original.

That they "stole" everything they could find from others, while being true, only attests to their supremacy. And the fact that they improved almost everything they stole from others and that they basically improved the lives of everybody they conquered (after a while) is an attestment to their greatness.

Greeks were shit compared to Romans.

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>>137734538
>Iberia was a PVP MMO battleground for 700+ years.

kek, this is the best description of Iberia I've read yet. It was literally Horde vs Alliance Tarren Mill raids for centuries. Thankfully the alliance won.

>>137733157

Ah! Dutch guy proud of its colonies... so funny.

But I understand you.

>>137736866
Dont forget to mention that the University of Salamanca invented economic liberalism centuries before (((Adam Smith))) and company copied it.

>>137734779

You said guitar. And I will just ask you to go find a youtube video of "Carlos Paredes" or "Aranjuez".

I love Italy, but there's something about "Iberian" soul put into a guitar that is unmatched in the world.

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North Italians don't have as much African blood

>>137739263

Holy shit this, I actually learned this in college. Taught by a Scottish professor no less. It's kind of amazing how well the protestant propaganda has worked against Spain. Hardly anyone outside of Spain and Portugal know about the achievements of Iberians.

>>137734980

And if you weren't so "Northern Germanic" aka Nordicuck, you would understand that the permisses of OP are laughable.

But why am I talking to people North of Hamburg, then? You guys are so fucked up in the head you can't cross a road without trafic if the light is red .

>>137729659
Inquisition and ultra - religious society. I am all for defending culture and religion but Spaniards took it way too far.

>>137739547
>Taught by a Scottish professor
Hardly an Iberian achievement then.

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>>137729813
>>137734774
>>137737059
ayy lmao

>>137739509

It's worth noting that a lot of these DNA tests have been debunked for using faulty samples. They test a lot of people that claim Spanish ancestry without actually checking. It's not the most thorough test.

>>137739664

I meant the class I learned about the Salamanca school was taught by a scottish professor in my university.

>>137737059

I know it's just bait...

But according to your logic the Germans are Italians because the German polty was called "Holy Roman Empire" for a 1000 years.

Think about it. For a thousand years (up to Napoleon) your precious Germanic shit was controled and legitimised by its Italian-ness.

Northern Europeans are indeed pathetic beasts, (except Brits, they created a country and maintained it and ruled the world. Except Brits, Northern Euros are a fucking joke)

>>137739263

Yes, Salamanca and Coimbra were the true centers of European learning before Cambridge and Oxford became big. Also, how could I ever forget Bologne?

We have nothing to learn from Northern Euros. What we have to do is to purge ourselves from their heresies and then we will be free to be Great Again.

>>137739954
Shouldn't you be napping during your 2-hour siesta break instead of shitposting?

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We do have painters and all of the above-mentioned things,but you also have to take into account our economy was geared towards war and religion.
And our personal values were basically honour and religion,those were the virtues of any spanish at that time,people weren't admired for inventing shit,they were admired for being a chad and have them stacies mirin.
It was a religious chavocracy ruled by neets like charles 4th who couldn't leave his basement and had to wear diapers.
All the while we kicked the jews...spain...was 4 chan

>>137729659
Saracen blood

>>137729659
>painters

ya fucked up son.

Spain does not have much, but the have the best painters imo. From goya to dali

>>137739664

Stupid Nordicuck.


That's it. Get out! Get the fuck out you snow nigger!

We will soon team up with the British, and it's gonna be like the XIX century again: We will burn Copenhagen, control the Oresund and made Zeeland a zoo for our enterteinement.

Get the Fuck Out! Bad! You stupid, bad nordicuck!

>>137729659
The moors

>>137729659
Lol Faggin

>>137729659
>Picasso painted like a 5 year old
Faggot, at 12 he painted as good or better than the greatest masters. Also, shit bait with all the other points.
Made me reply/10

>>137739547

Even in Portugal and Spain that shit is not generally known.

Ever since the XIX century our (Traditional) History has been white washed. We are fed with a Northern European (?) mindset of work is better than spirit.
We are thought that our history was too violent, and that we were basically barbarians. And when they like it some part of our History, they omit the violence so that we appear "softies".

From 1807 to basically WWII my country has been at war almost all the time. Political assassinations happened almost every year... parts of the country were under guerilla war and were not controled. Secret societies spanned everywhere and killed and fought. How are we thought about that: That it was "a difficult time" and that we truly are a people of "soft ways" (peaceful, tolerant, whatever).

I could go on and on, but all I want to say is that our History and our Greateness is purposefully hidden from us ever since the free masons leached to power and have enforced their Napoleonic/Protestant way of thinking on us.

They even dare to attribute our greatness to the (((Jews))) and our fall to having expelled (((them))). Even though we only fell 400 years after expelling (((them))) and there were no Jews around anymore.

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>>137740469
>We need the british to do anything

>>137741477
Don't you ever talk like that to me or my little brother again you northern Panama.

>>137739547

How Portugal got fucked:

1580 -> Portuguese King dies at 14 fighting the Moroccans in fucking Morocco. Had he managed to conquer the city he was fighting for, we'd have a clean and permanent control over Northern Morocco as it was the last city we needed to control before we reached the natural barrier of the river Sous in Nothern "Green" Morocco. (We started going at it in 1415 and by 1471 we only lacked that city to close in). Basically, the Spaniard Habsburgs get to inherit our Kingdom. We get to fight their wars. We lose most of our preponderance in overseas territories.

1755 -> The Earthquake destroys Lisbon completely, which at the time was probably one of the top four richest cities in Europe. The wonderful capital of the Atlantic, as it was called then. We manage to rebuild but it was truly fucked up.

1820 -> Aftet beating Napoleon Grand-Armée we get fucked by our (((liberals))) and (((masons))) who destroy our country trhough mercenaries and impose the Napoleonic heresies. All our instutuions vanish overnight. Most of our nobles who have fought for the Traditionalist cause get expelled and our biggest better and richest colony, Brazil, becomes independent.

1910 -> Republic is installed. Even more cucked.

1974 -> Empire and "fascism" is done away with. We get poor, the current (((modernities))) are enforced and we join the E.U. for gibs.

If we managed to hold to our traditions and institutions... the world would be much better now.

>>137739623

Inquistion was also around in Italy and France.
It was basically a re-call of the Roman "Censors".

Inquistion did nothing wrong. Well it did, but in its worst year, it was responsible by about 5% of the total deaths "demanded by the courts".

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>>137741276
Picasso is a shit.
>it took me 2 years to learn to paint like Raphael and a lifetime to paint like a child
nigger you wish he could paint anywhere near the caliber of the old masters. He was a poser, realized he couldn't achieve their level, so he sperged out

>>137740231

nah..

I only nap when its about 40ºC... Portugal's climate is more forgiven than Spain... that's why most days only old people nap here...

>>137741996
Your so called "younger brother" would rather depend on your old rival UK/England than you, that's how much of a loser you are. He might be a lazy iberian, but at least he knows that northern Europeans can get the job done, and has consequently allied with them.

>>137729659
Fuck off Guinea. There's more African blood in Italians than there is in even Turks. All of those masters had German, French and Spanish blood in them. At least spaniards are white and don't mooch off real races.

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>>137742543
This is the most pathetic post I have ever seen.

>>137742455
And I still love him and feel happy if he does well with British help he'll i wish we had non retarded monarchs so I understand they siding with bongs so as to make sure the don't get invaded by a retarded french led spanish army.
All that being said,I do enjoy your Greenland empire and Iceland. ..and all your colonies were your culture is respected and appreciated for your wonderful contributions to humanity and inmortal legacy like...being near a body of waters others needed to pass through.

>>137743283
>And I still love him and feel happy if he does well with British help he'll i wish we had non retarded monarchs so I understand they siding with bongs
>he does well with British help he'll i wish we had non retarded monarchs
>with British help he'll i wish we
Did you leave something out of your sentence?
>Admitting to dying for the French
Keep digging your own grave Pablo.
>being near a body of waters others needed to pass through
Another privilege of yours that was stolen away from you by the british, just like Portugal.

>>137741477

LOOOOL You were funny about the British, I give you that. And of course we need them, otherwise how could we ever project power in the way we have done... Everybody needs friends... Whose yours?

Now, seriously, please show us the data adjusted for purchasing power parity. Your GDP per capita is what, still 80% higher, right? Your total GDP is what? 80% of ours? Yeah...

But let's dig deeper. Ever since the 80s we did away with our industry to please the E.U. did you know Spain in 86 had a fishing fleet bigger and more productive than France, Germany and Italy combined? Did you know ours was half of Spain? We used to fish all the way from Norway to Canada and south to Cape Verde...

Also, did you know that by 1975 our ship building and shipping industry was 5 times as productive as Denmark's. Maersk and all...

But let's talk about the present and about economy. I have a "researcher" of "politics and international relations" and sometimes I find fun numbers that shock even me. Did you know that in 2012, even during the crisis, our population under the poverty line was 21% compared to Denmark's 7%?
That was "after social transfers".
The paper I recieved mention that if we did not take into account "social transfers" (basically all welfare) the Portuguese population below the poverty line would be some 32% compared to Denmarks's 47%.
How fucked up is your system?

Let's also take into account that by 2.300€ a month (2013 levels) in Portugal it is the equivalent to control a share of our economy - adjusted to purchasing power - to 5.000€ in Denmark.
The upper middle class here easily males 4 to 7 thousand € a month. Do you envisage the difference between the power of our elites over yours purely in economic terms?

How come there's no billionairs in Denmark? Oh wait... there's a guy in Spain who is worth about 20% of Danish GDP...

Your economic power is just a curtain of smoke. It will crumble down soon enough. I pitty you.

>>137741996

Don't listen to him bro...
Brits are not really Northern Euros... We only like them because they are so Western/Atlantic oriented...

I'd love to conquer the Netherlands and rule Germany with you again!

>>137743283

No!
Iceland shall not exist. The Brits invade it and control it whenever they can. They fish our fish. Iceland should be an Anglo-Portuguese protectorate. As well as Greenland.

Danes never did a thing right.

>>137729659
Based

>>137735663
Is that Prometheus?

>>137743688

What do you know, man, what do you know?

The Brits took Gibraltar but the Spaniards still changed their moto from Non Plus Ultra to Plus Ultra.
That alone makes them infinitely superior to any Nordicuck, whose idea of "Plus Ultra" is to endure sub zero temperatures and survive for another day. . .

Once you realise that Plus Ultra is something you and your "Nations" will never attain, you'll understand why you are only barely European. Until then you'll have to be proud of your blue eyes only, like my retarded unemployed cousin.

>>137730976
You iberians are fine. Those Italian shitters took like 3 wars to beat Ethiopia and they even needed nazi Germany for that

>>137729813
Why is being "basicly German" always a sign of being better in here. Germany is a great nation that achived a lot and the world owes a lot to them but they also fucked up so much in our recent history. Spain used to rule half of the world and even today it's a fairly successful country. Italians had more nobel prize winners than Spain? Kudos. So what though?

>>137745345

Did you know a Portuguese guy married an Ethiopian princess and became King of Ethiopia by the 1500s?

We were mad searching for the legendary Christian Kingdom of Africa, of Saint John.

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>>137743760
>Everybody needs friends... Whose yours?
Historically? Russia, UK and various German states.
Currently? Same as yours, the EU and NATO.
>please show us the data adjusted for purchasing power parity
Alright. Here you go.
> Your GDP per capita is what, still 80% higher, right? Your total GDP is what? 80% of ours? Yeah...
Try reading what my posted image says, or are a few numbers too difficult for you. You're not making yourself look good here.
>WE WUZ FISHERS
If fishing is so important to you, why did you join the EU. Oh that's right, for the gibs that the developed northerners give to shitskins (Read: Southerners)
>WE WUZ TRADERS
Where did it all go so wrong then? Denmark still has a thriving shipping industry.
>Our welfare system doesn't actually work
Are you seriously bragging about this?
>Purchasing power
See image
>No billionares in Denmark, but rich people in Spain
Having a bad redistribustion of wealth is probably related to why your country is so miserable. And there are billionares in Denmark, namely the owners of LEGO and the Maersk heirs.
>Your economic power will crumble
Maybe so, I can't predict the future, but it's better than yours, which has been in ruins for years if not decades.

>>137745517

He says that because he's proud his grandmother was fucked by an Austrian (German). That's how he differentiates himself from Serbs...

>>137743954
>Brits are not really Northern Euros
>When they are literally a Celtic, Saxon and Norman mix
If anything you should try to save face by saying that Visigoths were germans, but it wouldn't really matter since you've been raped by moors since then.

>>137745623
>That's how he differentiates himself from Serbs
That's how he differentiates from other Meds*

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>>137744668
We have literally no use for Gibraltar,just across the bay we have a naval base and the port is the size of all of Gibraltar.see pic
Dick waving and meassuring apart if we were given Gibraltar tomorrow it wouldn't give us any benefit and all the infrastructure there would fall into decay due to lack of use,if the brits like it and have some use for it...let them have it,they seem to take good care of the native monkeys (andalucians)
We can close the strait since we have a closer point to do so and control the other side as well.
And if the brits find it useful,I'd much rather have the brits friendly alliance in exchange of settling the whole issue than having a useless small port.
Pic related algeciras and the little lump at the peninsula is Gibraltar.

>>137745559

Our total GDP in purchasing power parity is bigger than yours. It just is.

We were friends with some German states... do you really think Germany is a friend? Your whole economic success is based on them being shit... also, NATO and EU are not friends to both of our countries. Friends are those who have the same strategic goals in the long term. I think the most obvious friend of Denmark is Norway...

I know our GDP ppp is bigger than yours. I have had to study IMF data as soon as it gets published for five years now... Our total GDP ppp must be some 330 Billion dollars while yours may be some 280 Billion dollars. Probably. I'm not sure about the exact numbers but I know they are not far from this.

Didn't we get in the E.U before you? I'm not sure. We got into the E.U. not because Northerners but because Frogs. Do you really think you guys are that relevant?

Denmark's shipping industry is *good*. It provides income, I know.
I was just saying it is a scam. Your industry is still alive at the cost of my industry being torn into shit, at the cost of German shipping industry becoming basically verboten, and at the cost of French and specially British industry being dismantled. It's like Europe decided all the good ship builders had to be destroyed. But hey, okay, we'll allow Denmark and Greece to continue because who cares? They are irrelevant now.
Do you really think you could compete with, say, Britain? Really? Can't you see the scam? Are you proud of that? We are actually destroying tones and tones of cereal crops so that we can grow and sell "red fruits" to Scandinavia and Poland. WTF? How is that solid economic policy? It's just a fad. I am trying to say that your economic power is based on a mirage and built upon fads.

I was not bragging about my welfare system not working. I was bragging about *not needing* welfare. You are the ones who need welfare. How much more time do you think it will last? Seriously.

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Good to know that LEGO and Maersk allows you to have billionaires. I thought it didn't.
My main argument about welfare is that a sound economic system does not need welfare redistribution. I'm not saying my economy is better than yours. I'm saying it could easily be. Yours has everything to go wrong. Mine has everything to go right (but it won't, I know, thanks socialism). You win that.

But what you seem not to understand is that although most Portuguese don't do better than most Danes, most Portuguese who are well off are soundly well off and more well off than the few Danes who are well off. It's complicated. I know Denmark. I like you guys to some extant but I despise that typical Danish mindset of "wow let's not stand out and strive to be better, let's just stand confy here".
The equivalent Portuguese mindset would be: "who cares... let it be... there's always tomorrow. Wait? We have to do it now? Oh okay, I'm the greatest so I'm doing it now better and faster than everybody else (40% of the time it does not end well)"

My "economy" had been in ruins since 1807. It was okay from 1926 to 1974 mostly. But okay in a yes! We are not starving anymore way.
I think I have identified the reasons for that.

>>137746873
>seem to take good care of the native monkeys (andalucians)

Made me laugh... Gibraltar monkeys can be mean though.

I mostly agree with you. I know about Algeciras. been there.

>>137745702

Brits are not really Northern Euros because... they live in an island and they have "assimilated" into European culture and contributed to its flourishing. Unlike say... Danes.

Visigoths weren't Germans. Visigoths were Visigoths and they became us. Go find how much of our population has surnames of Germanic (Visogthic/Suebi) origin and how many have surnames of moorish origin.

Anyway, the world would be better if we were all named Julius Gaius Ceaser or something of the like...

Spain was the 3rd country innthebworld to have a university and the first one to surpass the hahia sophia, that rome and italynvould not, Iberians were always the most advanced, roman invasion took several centuries.

>>137746878
>I don't care what the numbers say, WE HAVE THE BETTER ECONOMY LALALALALA
You could try to take the defeat with some grace.
>Do you think Germany is a friend? Your whole economic success is based on them being shit
Even if the friendship didn't produce historical results, it was still a friendship. As for relying on them being shit, I'm guessing you're either talking about Trade competition with the Hanza or Denmark making sick dosh selling supplies to Germany during WWI, but neither Imperial Germany nor the Hanza are among the so called friends.
>Who joined EU first
We signed up first, but only have a limited membership to this day, much the globalistic politicians annoyance. You had full membership first since we still don't have that.
>Shipping doesn't work for some countries
I'm guessing this is a EU ploy? It's the first I've heard of it, but you rarely hear about problems that do not affect yourself.
>We are poor and we are good at it
Alright, whatever makes you happy.
>>137747623
>A sound economic system does not need welfare redistribution
Trickle down economics only work in a closed economy, without solid assets such as tracts of land or stockpiles of gold. But I somewhat agree.
>mindsets
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "If it ain't broke don't fix it" is a better mentality than both "I'll do it tomorrow" and arrogance leading to failure.
>Portugese economy in ruins
If you admit to that, why do you have such a hard time admitting that your purchasing power per capita is worse than ours?

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>>137729659
because romans invaded Egypt before they got some of our intelligent genes

>>137748646
Iberians single handedly began the age of colonialism.ending feudalism.innthe 1500s spain was a free land and the richest most powerful land in the world.

>>137729659
>gap in intellectual accomplishments
"muh capitalism"
Y. Harari

>>137748072
>Brits aren't northern Europeans because they live on an island
I live on an island too, am I not northern European? What about Sweden? They're not connected by land to central Europe.
>Visigoths weren't German
I suppose you're right. They're as German as Romanians are Roman.
>The world would be better if we were all Roman LARPers
While not the world, Europe and America are judeo-christian LARPers instead, it hasn't made much difference.

>>137748936
There was no roman conquest there was a gradual century by century mobingnof the border, basques to this day, have never beemñn conquered, still speaking native Iberian, fighting charlemagne, fighting rome, fighting moors.

>>137749845
No, there were lots of Roman emperors coming from Iberia and a lot of soldiers too. They also have a lot of Roman architecture there etc.

This thread again? Reminder that OP is a jealous brazilian monkey, he keeps spamming this shit. Stupid nigger forgot to hide his flag in one of those threads, exposing his brazilian faggotry

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>>137750374
He's this nigger , he doesnt just make anti-iberian threads , he pretty muchs talks shit about all euros , and pretends to be aryan

Because Rome/The Vatican got all the resources from Europe when every country was catholic trough church taxes.

>>137739954
I agree with this

>>137750538
Nah, OP surely is one of those mythical southern brazilians with the most pure aryan genes. Hes probably whiter than bleach. Fucking monkeys

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>>137732762
It's Abyssinia, please stick to the facts.

>>137751183
That fag on the pic is also a mod on italic roots
Italic roots is a brownzilian site , most of the posters there are brownzilians hence the amount of anti iberian shitpost
Brazilians are only white in their afro-amerindian dreams

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>>137736644
you're right. Rome only hat one culture: politcs and war. All the other stuff was imported from Greece.

>falling for bait this easily