How can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments

>>137637822
Because Spain was under military occupation by the Moors throughout the middle ages, and when the rest of Europe was heading into the renaissance, it was a devastated wasteland just starting to recover from the Reconquista wars.

>>137637822
I have a question: do you really think that on the pic is italy? You are baiting right?

>>137637822
We were too busy spreading the True Faith by fire and steel across a brand new continent, we can't all be the renaissance equivalent of hipster faggots.

>>137637822
>closely related peoples
maybe here's your problem

Spaniards and Portuguese won an entire continent for catholicism, and some other countries, this already is a historical accomplishment

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>>137637822
>Italians
All South Italy Sicily and Sardina belong to Spen

>>137638499
Where does he say that pic is Italy?

how can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between OP and other people?

>>137639000
He talks about italians and the pic is called italy.jpg

>>137637822
I have seen this exact OP a long time ago, try harder faget.

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>>137638903
>>137639000
Neat digits

>>137637822
fuck you we invented the lobotomy

Iberians : vasco de gama, magellan, bartholomeo dias, hernan cortes...
Italians : marco polo (who was from croatia by the way)
And you forgot velasquez as painter. But of course you should have more than an 70 IQ to know that...

Spain: First global empire

Italians: We was Romans and meatballs

>>137638959
>>137638512
I like spaniards on /pol/, most of them dont give a fuck when someone tries to bait them.
They're literally the best posters.

>>137639282
digis*

>>137637822

they had early universities though

>>137640653
>early universities
you mean madrassahs?

>>137637822
You missed oceanic explorers. During the renaissance, Iberia was not nearly as affected by plague as the rest of Europe, which sequestered their best and brightest in Italian walled cities. Because of this, they explored trade routes to India, conquered the Americas, and solidified a hold that lasted a few hundred years on the high seas.

TL;DR, they were the chads of medeival urop

>>137641537
nope, we also got plague- we started discoveries to find an alternative route to counteract genoa and venice monopoly with other actors ottoman empire, mamaluke sultanate etc contact with the silk road

>>137637822
You're a moron:
1. An Iberia map named "italy.jpg"
2. Forgot Dali & Velasquez

The rest is ok, different genetics and culture, different achievements.

>>137642088
not nearly as bad as the cold and wet north, but you are completely correct.

>>137637822
The north africans probably had a role in messing up their gene pool.

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>>137642088
And transaharan trade routes.

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It's almost like those achievements aren't entirely based on race but culture, wealth, infrastructure, etc...
As far as I know Iberians were pretty advanced where it counted for them, warfare and navy tech.

k

>>137639831
>Spain: First global empire
wrong

>>137642892
it was the first transoceanic empire

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>>137640653
>they had early universities
Universities were invented in Italy.

iberians are backwards and superstitious, that's why napoleon hated them, this also applies to México

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>>137637822
it's because the eternal castillian drags down the accomplishments of the rest of iberia.

>>137637822
Don't shit on Iberia, that's where Gibraltar is. Dickhead.

>>137637822
Because Spain was invaded so many times by mudslimes

>>137638959
Actually, Iberia belongs to the Roman empire. The same applies to Gaul, Hellas, Macedon, Thracia, Anatolia, Aegypt, Judea, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Carthage, Numidia, Britannia, Dacia, Germania, and Dacia.

Barbarians shall submit to Roman authority.

>>137644143
gib monkeys.

>>137637822
> ashamed of his own flag

>>137637822
because both got raped by muslims, who were smarter than us at the time.

thank fuck inbreeding took care of that

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>>137637822
Velázquez?

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>>137643776
It was my country.

>>137639192

He also talks about Iberians, idiot.

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>>137637822

>>137637822
Spain is african.

I recommend you to go away and not come.

>>137641537
>You missed oceanic explorers

lol they get btfo by Italians there too. Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.

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>>137637822
Iberian Mathematicians
XVI Century:
>Juan de Celaya
>Pedro Chacón
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Pedro Ciruelo
>Martín Cortés de Albacar
>Pedro Esquivel
>Jaime Juan Falcó
>Jerónimo Girava
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Juan de Rojas y Sarmiento
>Pedro Juan de Lastanosa
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Gaspar Lax
>Juan Martínez Guijarro
>Juan de Ortega (matemático)
>Pedro Ambrosio de Ondériz
>Pedro de Medina
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Juan Pérez de Moya
>Martín de Rada
>Jaime Salvador Solano
>Baltasar Torres
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
XVII Century:
>Francisco de Artiga
>Juan Caramuel
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Jerónimo Cortés
>Julio César Firrufino
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Sebastián Izquierdo
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Antonio Hugo de Omerique
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Miguel de Quirós
>Sebastián de Rocafull
>Tomás Vicente Tosca
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
>Bernardo José Zaragoza
XVIII Century
>Vicente Alcalá Galiano
>Gaspar Álvarez
>Juan Claudio Aznar de Polanco
>Benito Bails
>Juan García Berruguilla
>María Andrea Casamayor
>Tomàs Cerdà
>Gabriel Císcar
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Juan Antonio Desvalls
>Antonio Eximeno
>Antonio Pablo Fernández-Solano
>Alonso de Frías y Zelarayán
>Juan Justo García
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Jorge Juan
HOW CAN ITALIANS EVEN COPETE?

>>137645359
>Christopher Columbus
got his ships, money, and crew from spain. sorry barbarians, but the new world is a spanish accomplishment

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>>137644306
>the Roman empire
All the Roman Empire belong to the Nerva–Antonine dynasty

>>137645646
those are all literally whos though
anybody who studies maths can confirm(like me)

>>137637822
I think an explanation can be found in the fact that Spain was a society of warriors.

List of Spanish inventors and discoverers:

>A
* [32]José de Acosta (1540–1600), one of the first [33]naturalists and [34]anthropologists of the Americas.[35][1]
* Andrés Alcázar (1490-1585), neurosurgeon and anatomist, designed new tools for surgical treatments.[36][2]
* [37]José María Algué (1856–1930), meteorologist, inventor of the barocyclometer, the nephoscope, and the microseismograph.[38][3][39][4]
* [40]Jerónimo de Ayanz y Beaumont (1553–1613), registered design for steam-powered water pump for use in mines (1606).[41][5]
* [42]Martín de Azpilicueta (1492–1586), [43]economist, member of the [44]School of Salamanca, precursor of the quantitative theory of money.[45][6]
>B
* [47]Ignacio Barraquer (1884–1965), leading [48]ophthalmologist, pioneer of [49]cataract surgery.[50][7]
* [51]José Ignacio Barraquer (1916–1998), leading [52]ophthalmologist, father of modern [53]refractive surgery, he invented the [54]microkeratome and the [55]cryolathe, developed the surgical procedures of [56]keratomileusis and keratophakia.[57][8][58][9]
* [59]Juan Pablo de Bonet (1573-1633), pioneer of education for the deaf, he published Reducción de las letras y arte para enseñar a hablar a los mudos ("Summary of the letters and the art of teaching speech to the mute") in 1620 in Madrid, the first modern treatise of sign language phonetics, setting out a method of oral education for deaf people and the first recognizable sign language alphabet.[60][10][61][11]

>>137646486
>C
* [64]Ángel Cabrera (1879–1960), naturalist, investigated the South-American fauna.[65][12]
* [66]Nicolás Cabrera (1913–1989), physicist, did important work on the theories of [67]crystal growth and the [68]oxidisation of [69]metals.[70][13][71][14]
* [72]Celedonio Calatayud (1880-1931) pioneered the use of [73]radiology and electrology in Europe for both diagnostics and therapeutical purposes, introducing [74]radiotherapy in Spain in 1906.[75][15]
* [76]Manuel Cardona Castro (1934-2014), physicist, researched [77]superconductivity and the interaction of [78]electromagnetic radiation with a semiconductor material.[79][16]
* [80]Julio Cervera Baviera (1854-1927), engineer, pioneer in the development of [81]radio, educator, explorer, and military man. He established the second and third regular radiotelegraph service in the history of the world in 1901 and 1902 by maintaining regular transmissions between [82]Tarifa and [83]Ceuta for three consecutive months, and between [84]Javea and [85]Ibiza. Some consider him the actual inventor of the radio.[86][17][87][18]
* [88]Juan de la Cierva (1895–1936), aeronautical engineer, pioneer of rotary flight, inventor of the [89]autogyro.[90][19]
* [91]Juan Ignacio Cirac Sasturain (born 1965), one of the pioneers of the field of quantum computing and quantum information theory.[92][20]
* [93]Josep Comas i Solà (1868–1937), astronomer, discovered the periodic [94]comet [95]32P/Comas Solá and 11 [96]asteroids, and in 1907 observed limb darkening of [97]Saturn's moon [98]Titan (the first evidence that the body had an atmosphere).[99][21]
* [100]Avelino Corma Canós (born 1951), chemist, distinguished for his world-leading work on [101]heterogeneous catalysis, developed catalysts that are being used commercially in several industrial processes.[102][22]

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>>137646054

Do you know why we were the best on fencing? Because we were fucking good at maths.
>Pic related.

>>137646581
>D
* Francisco Díaz de Alcalá (1527-1590), urologist and doctor, wrote the first treatises on diseases of the bladder, kidneys, and urethra; he is generally regarded as the founder of modern [104]urology.[105][23]
* [106]Pedro Duque (born 1963), astronaut and veteran of two space missions.[107][24]
>E
* [109]Fausto de Elhúyar (1755–1833), chemist, joint discoverer of [110]tungsten with his brother [111]Juan José de Elhúyar in 1783.[112][25]
>F
* Carlos Fernández Casado (1905–1988), civil engineer, designer and builder of bridges and [114]viaducts.[115][26]
* Jaime Ferrán (1852–1929), doctor and researcher, discovered several vaccines.[116][27]
>G
* [118]Manuel García (1805-1906) singer, music educator, and vocal pedagogue, inventor of the first [119]laryngoscope.[120][28]
* [121]Antoni de Gimbernat, (1734–1816), surgeon and anatomist, described in detail the anatomy of the inguinal and femoral regions of the human body and laid the groundwork for modern techniques of inguinal hernia repai. The lacunar ligament is named after him.[122][29][123][30]
* [124]Alejandro Goicoechea Omar (1895-1984), engineer, worked for and co-founded [125]Talgo company, where he developed the Talgo trains famous [126]design.[127][31]
>H
* [129]Francisco Hernández (1514–1587), botanicist, carried out important research about the Mexican flora.[130][32]
* [131]Juan de Herrera (1530-1597), architect, mathematician and geometrician, designed the construction plans of [132]El Escorial and the [133]Cathedral of Valladolid among others and created a compass to measure length and width and a machine to cut iron.[134][33]
* Bartolomé Hidalgo Agüero (1530-1597), doctor, developed, described and evaluated a revolutionary healing method for stab wounds [135][34]
* [136]Juan Huarte de San Juan (1529–1588), physician and psychologist, his Examen de ingenios para las ciencias was the first attempt to show the connexion between psychology and physiology.[137][35]

>>137646688
>J
* Manuel Jalón Corominas (1925–2011), inventor of the [139]mop (1956) and a worldwide used "two-piece" disposable [140]syringe (1978).[141][36]
* [142]Carlos Jiménez Díaz (1898–1967), doctor and researcher, leading figure in [143]pathology.[144][37]
>L
* [146]Rodrigo López de Segura (1540-1580), humanist and chess player, wrote one of the first definitive books about modern chess in Europe: [147]Libro de la invencion liberal y arte del juego del axedrez.[148][38]
* [149]Emilio Herrera Linares (1879-1967), military engineer and physicist, designed a pressurized space suit for stratospheric flights (escafandra estratonáutica), precedent of the [150]modern space suits.[151][39]
* [152]José Luis López Gómez (1941-) is an engineer and inventor. He made a number of inventions related to high speed trains.
>M
* [154]Gregorio Marañón (1887–1960), doctor and researcher, leading figure in endocrinology.[155][40]
* [156]Narcís Monturiol (1818–1885), physicist and inventor, pioneer of underwater navigation and first machine powered [157]submarine.[158][41][159][42]
* [160]José Celestino Bruno Mutis (1732–1808), botanicist, doctor, philosopher and mathematician, carried out relevant research about the American flora, founded one of the first astronomic observatories in America (1762).[161][43]
* [162]Aureliano Maestre de San Juan (1828-1890), scientist, histologist, physician and anatomist credited as being one of the first scientists to recognize the disorder known as Kallmann syndrome.[163][44]

>>137646842
>O
* [165]Severo Ochoa (1905–1993), doctor and biochemist, achieved the synthesis of [166]ribonucleic acid (RNA), [167]Nobel prize Laureate (1959).[168][45]
* Federico Olóriz Aguilera, (1855-1912), doctor, created the primary fingerprint classification system used in Portugal and Spain prior to the use of computer filing systems.[169][46]
* [170]Mateu Orfila (1787–1853), doctor and chemist, father of modern [171]toxicology, leading figure in forensic toxicology.[172][47]
* [173]Joan Oró (1923–2004), biochemist, carried out important research about the origin of life, he worked with [174]NASA on the [175]Viking missions.[176][48]
>P
* Julio Palacios Martínez (1891–1970), physicist and mathematician.[178][49]
* [179]Isaac Peral (1851–1895), engineer and sailor, designer of the first fully operative military submarine. [180][50]
* Juan Tomás Porcell (1528-1580), doctor and anatomist, carried decisive research on the [181]Black Death and wrote influential treaties of epidemiology.[182][51]
>R
* [184]Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852–1934), father of [185]Neuroscience, [186]Nobel prize Laureate (1906).[187][52]
* [188]Julio Rey Pastor (1888–1962), mathematician, leading figure in geometry.[189][53]
* [190]Wifredo Ricart (1897–1974), engineer, designer and executive manager in the automotive industry.[191][54]
* [192]Andrés Manuel del Río (1764–1849), [193]geologist and [194]chemist, discovered [195]vanadium (as [196]vanadinite) in 1801.[197][55]
* [198]Pío del Río Hortega (1882–1945), [199]neuroscientist, discoverer of the [200]microglia or Hortega cell.[201][56]
* [202]Félix Rodríguez de la Fuente (1928–1980), naturalist, leading figure in ornithology, ethology, ecology and science divulgation.[203][57]
* [204]Ángela Ruiz Robles (1895-1975) teacher, writer and inventor, pioneer of the [205]electronic book.[206][58]

Protip: they are arabs

>>137646954
>S
* [208]Margarita Salas (born 1938), biochemist, molecular genetist and researcher.[209][59]
* [210]Mónico Sánchez Moreno (1880-1961), electrical engineer, inventor and industrialist; early developer of high frequency electrical conduction equipment, [211]mobile telephony, [212]radiology, [213]electrotherapy and inventor of the first portable [214]X-ray machine in 1909.[215][60]
* [216]Miguel Servet (1511–1553), scientist, surgeon and humanist; first European to describe [217]pulmonary circulation.[218][61]
* [219]Luis Simarro Lacabra (1851–1921), psychiatrist; developed a [220]silver bromide modification of Camillo Golgi's [221]silver chromate technique.[222][62]
>T
* [224]Esteban Terradas i Illa (1883–1950), mathematician, physicist and engineer.[225][63]
* [226]Leonardo Torres Quevedo (1852–1936), engineer and mathematician, pioneer of automated calculation machines, inventor of the automatic chess, pioneer of [227]remote control, designer of the funicular over the [228]Niagara Falls.[229][64][230][65][231][66]
* [232]Eduardo Torroja (1899–1961), civil engineer, structural architect, world famous specialist in concrete structures.[233][67][234][68]
* [235]Juanelo Turriano (1500-1585) Italo-Spanish [236]clockmaker, [237]engineer and [238]mathematician, he built the [239]Artificio de Juanelo, an engine that, driven by the river itself, lifted water from the [240]Tagus to a height of almost 100 meters.[241][69]
* [242]Josep Trueta (1897–1977), doctor, his new method for treatment of open wounds and fractures helped save a great number of lives during World War II.[243][70]
>U
* [245]Antonio de Ulloa (1716–1795), scientist, soldier and author; joint discoverer of element [246]platinum with [247]Jorge Juan y Santacilia (1713–1773).[248][71]

>>137647086
>V
* [250]Francisco Vallés (1524-1592), physician, regarded as the founder of modern [251]anatomical pathology.[252][72]
* [253]Joseph de la Vega (1650–1692), businessman, wrote Confusion of Confusions (1688), first book on [254]stock markets.[255][73]
* [256]Arnold of Villanova (c. 1235–1311), alchemist and physician, he discovered [257]carbon monoxide and pure [258]alcohol.[259][74][260][75]
* [261]Francisco de Vitoria (c. 1480/86 – 1546), member of the [262]School of Salamanca, precursor of [263]international law theory.[264][76]

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>>137637822
We invented the submarine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>137646486
>>137646581
>>137646688
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>>137646954
>>137647086
>>137647154

>Italians get BTFO'd this hard in their own bait thread

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Too busy establishing conkangstador dicktatorships in the americas.

Mmmm... only regular "inventions" thats why Mexico is, whas, and will be fucked

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>>137637822
Wrong. see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_inventions_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_inventions

>>137637822

you forgot the part where portugal and spain colonized half the world..you're cute.

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>>137645914
>>137638959
Fucking love Carlos II images

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>>137647841

>>137645359
>Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.

my friend, did you realize the story are you telling is fucking sad for italy? so you did the job and we took the lands. who got btfo?

thanks for the job btw.

Columbus was Spanish

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>how can there be such a huge gap between me and a gf?

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>>137637822
Spain did alright throughout history

Far better than any Scandinavian country

>>137638512
Viva espana

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We wuz retardz who painted like 5 year oldz n shieeet

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>>137648090

we were warriors conquering the while you were a bunch of faggots with a few pencils and brushes staying at home.

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>>137647218
And "autogiro" -- helicopter father

Italians are brodos.

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>>137646657
Spanish autism is a work of art.

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>>137645359
That's why Italians went to our ports with agents to smuggle intel about the discoveries. Everyone defending italians here is being BTFO so hard.

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This was a bait thread to make Spaniards go against Italians but we actually like Italy too much to do that.

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>>137644933
"English for shitposting"

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Francisco de Goya is patrician tier.

>>137637822
divide and conquer thread

Italy never threatened the French, English or Dutch, and so the achievements of its sons were happily promoted in general Western discourse. Spain, on the other hand, was a major enemy in the early modern era. It was thus demonised and its glories of the period in question remain unknown beyond its own borders. Said rivalries ultimately resulted in defeat for Spain, leading to its more recent history of lurching from one political disaster to another, which has obviously not produced conditions conducive to the sort of things hailed in the OP.

The Iberians nevertheless remain among the greatest imperial powers in human history, up with the English, the Russians, the Romans, Persians and Han.

>>137637822
Roman Iberian emperors: Trajan and Hadrian
Discovered the new world and Claimed for Spain
Explored most of south and north America before the Anglos even had a notion of colonization.

Nice try

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Spain is whiter than Italia btw.

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>>137648994
Seneca the Younger

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This is now an Iberian Peninsula appreciation thread.
Covadonga, Asturias.

>>137649129
Iberian only in place of birth, both are known to have come from noble Italic families, at the very least paternally
it was 117 AD, they didn't let anybody be Emperor, yet

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>>137648994
Italians are one of the best things this Earth has give to us

>>137645914
WE

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Mini castle in lake, Portugal

>>137646688
>>137646842
>>137646954
>>137647086
>>137647154
Looks like you just mentioned a bunch of people who are famous for being Spanish rather than having accomplished anything of value.

Reminder that OP is a jealous brazilian monkey. He tried to spam this same shit in /bant/

>>137649712
Gorgeous

>>137649517
I regret not visiting this when I went to Sevilla.

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>>137649465

>>137649430
Fuck, I never saw a portrait of Seneca before, and he is the spitting image of a man I know from Granada. Oddly enough, though, this man is pretty stupid!

>>137637822
Spansh are backward and linguistically distinct because of the Muslim yoke. Proof: compare the Portuguese, who produced comparable innovation (prior to circumnavigating the globe they completely revolutionized ship design as a result of programmatic research and developed navigation) and linguistically comparable to French. Where Spanish and Portuguese depart it's because of obvious Arabic loanwords.

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>>137649802
>calling your son a monkey

>>137649769
Also, these people are largely from well after the Andalusian period.

>>137649956
that's not true tho, and the portuguese were also conquered you fucking illiterate

>>137646054
>mexican intellectual

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>>137649894
we have that here in mexico city

>>137638316
What? After Spain and Portugal beat the moors they became the two most powerful countries in the world

>>137649956
I know fuck all about physics, and so remain quiet when people discuss such matters. Why then do you speak up on matters of linguistics, when clearly you are an ignorant imbecile? Portuguese has just as many Arabic borrowings as Castilian, and the words concerned are often almost identical. The true difference between the languages has more to do with respectively stronger substrate influence from Celtic and Vasconic.

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Alcazar de Segovia (The Catholic Kings lived here)

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>>137649712
The Tower of Belém, Lisbon, Portugal

>>137649501
Trajan is disputed:
Cassius Dio wrote about Trajan as an Iberian, and neither an Italian nor even an Italiot.

There is only one source that derives is paternal family from Umbria based on a journal someone found but thats it.

>>137647569
>That's why Mexico is was and will be fucked
Nah, it's because we didn't exterminated the natives unlike the Brits did in America. We only killed their men and breed their women... and bring some niggers as slaves.

Think about it for a second. Every country that was a colony at some point of time, ask the percentage of natives and colonials, then look if they are sucessful or not:
USA, Canada, Australia, New Zeland. They are doing fine because their natives were almost removed from existence and they are nothing but a minority, a nuissance that has no power.
Now, if you ask for other former british colonies such as Italy, Hong Kong, and any other african countries that were under british rule, they are poor, below the leage, and that's because natives were not removed, or at least not properly. You can see a middle ground between those two groups in South Africa, where the colonial population are a minority where there are less and less whites in there, and at the same time you can appreciate a progressive downfalL in that country.

It pretty much applies in Iberoamerican countries, where the progress of the country strongly depends of the native population and/or the castas that lives in those countries. In Argentina and Chile there are a lot of Castizos, a casta below native spaniards, and they are doing really well compared to other countries, such as... well, any other Center-America country, where native people, 'Indios' and others are the mayority.

>>137648725
This. I can't be angry at italian bros because a bait thread in a political subforum in a taiwanese silk worm farming webpage.

>>137648139
Over the past 200 years, Scandinavians have contributed FAR more to modern medicine, science and technology, even with significantly smaller populations. Spain peaked in the 17th century. Those Moorish niggers have done next to nothing for the best part of half a millennia. Most of Europe's recent scientific and cultural achievements, have been made by the British, Germans, French and Italians.

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>>137649910

>>137650741
>Spain and portugal
>Brings the european way of life to half of the world
>Scandicucks
>Brings the other half of the world's way of living into europe

REALLY GETS ONE'S CANOE ROWING.

>>137650691
>such as Italy
woops, I meant to say India.

>>137637822
Well lets see
Iberians: Colonize an entire continent and rule over Europe as the Hapsburgs for nearly two centuries
Italians: have no real colonies outside of Europe, get fucking minced in both world wars

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Monument of Discoveries, Lisbon, Portugal

>>137637822
Jesus christ you're dumb. Remove that fucking flag and go learn some spanish history.

>>137651029
>get fucking minced in both world wars

But they won both?

>>137637822
Isn't that a picture of Alaska?

>>137638512
How will Italians ever recover?

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>>137651179
Floor next to it in bird's view.

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>>137650691
>it's because we didn't exterminated the natives unlike the Brits did in America

En el momento de independizarse casi la mitad (45 %) de la población total de México era indígena,2 sin embargo debido a la castellanización y la violencia contra poblaciones indígenas, etc. que se impuso en el país muchos indígenas fueron perdiendo sus lenguas y a la vez su identidad, este proceso causó que los indígenas se redujeran de un 45 % a principios del siglo XIX a un 35 % en 1889, el proceso continuó y de 35 % se redujo a 30 % en 1921, y a solo 8 % en el 2000.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupos_%C3%A9tnicos_de_M%C3%A9xico

In Argentina and Chile there are a lot of Castizos, a casta below native spaniards, and they are doing really well compared to other countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3AQGj2jk&t=76s

http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/empresas/mexico-seria-la-quinta-economia-del-mundo-si-apuesta-por-digitalizacion-siemens.html

>>137637822
Ikibey Jr. and the daily D&C, why do they focus only south euros?

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>>137651029
Italians Accomplishments:The Renaissance, Columbus and the discovery of the Americas, the University, Galileo and the birth of Science, Napoleon the greatest leader in Europe the last thousand years, Ferrari and elite racing and engineering, Gucci and the best fashion in the world.
Iberian Accomplishments: Stealing an entire continent and still being poor.

>>137644027
This.

>>137651270
Define "winning", not once did they achieve their war aim or aspirations and both times it left their country devastated. Meanwhile Iberia was neutral in the second and relatively unharmed, and only involved enough in the first to be invited to the victors table at versailles.

>>137649517
Is that the port from episode II?

>>137651179
This reminds me when those filthy commies wanted to remove the statue of Cristóbal Colón in Barcelona because they find it oppresive and tyranical.

>>137650993
>Brings the european way of life to half of the world
Yeah, thanks Diego. Thanks for giving the world a shitty failed continent, filled with brown, 85 IQ spics. How can we ever repay you for beheadings, military dictatorships and reggaeton?

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St. John of the Cross

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dont let the 0.4% jew divide and conquer you

>>137638959
please take them. South of Italy was way better when you controlled it.

>>137650741
What's wrong with you that you feel the need to denigrate a fellow great European nation? Sort yourself out.

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The Valley of The Fallen, Madrid

>>137643785
(((UNIVERSITIES)))
(((BANKING)))
(((CULTURAL REVOLUTIONS)))
(((ITALISRAEL)))
OY GEVALT GOYIM

>>137638512
topkek

>>137651452
Absolutely fucking A E S T H E T I C

>>137651851
is that your ancestry? How do you look?

>>137649370
>Spain
>Moorish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpieza_de_sangre

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>>137651606
>both times it left their country devastated

lol

>>137637822

Don't forget Levi-Montalcini...

>>137651594
That poor girl has terrible skin. Needs a healthier more outdoors fresh-air kind of lifestyle.

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>>137644800
read that book it was great Bartolomeu Dias nevar forget

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>>137652119
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

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Roman aqueduct in Segovia

>>137651594
I'm trying to understand what a brazilian mixed knows about it, a brazilian. In this case a liar.

And i don´t give a fuck about who gave more, both Italy, Spain and Portugal are great colossous of european and world history. This D&c crap is work of third worlders 4 sure.
report and sage

>>137651594
Well yes, Italy was relevant in the 11th-15th centuries. It hasn't been relevant since. Of note is stabbing Byzantine in the back, keeping the Ottomans well in pocket with the spice trade and being eternally irrelevant

Meanwhile the Iberians dominated the 15th and 16th centuries, basically kickstarted globalization and pioneered discovery.

>>137652142
>muh k/d

Having two armies fight each-other in your country is devastating, particularly the type of warfare they got up to. Notwithstanding that most of the actual fighting in Italy was by Germans and Allied forces, as the rest of Italy's forces were in interment camps on one side or the other.

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Those comfy mountain villages outside of S'Agaro though.

So much better, peaceful and cleaner than Barcelona. It's not even a comparison. Holy fuck, tourists ruin everything.

>>137651463
I see. Consider myself educated then. I could also blame socialism of the 'failure' of Iberoamerican nations, but that would be too easy. If that wasn't, what was it?

>>137650154
Not comparable. The Spanish nobility accomodated late Arab infestation for the cash. The Portuguese cleaned house sooner and more thoroughly.

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>>137637822
>1 post by this ID

>>137637822
C'mon now, it's true Italy has produced the greatest minds in science, but spanish painters and writers are great, they have great authors too.

>>137638512

Spain not taking shit from spaghetti niggers.

Los italianos son maricones y marranos con demasiado sangre negro

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Roman theatre of Merida

>>137645646
For the 16th century you forgot Pedro Nunes and for the 18th century you forgot Anastácio da Cunha, both of which were much more celebrated than any of their Spanish counterparts.

>>137652103
Moderately swarthy when out in the sun, black hair, brown eyes pale skin for parts where i am not tanned

>>137652448
>It hasn't been relevant since
Italy has never ceased to produce men of great talent. Why limit "relevance" to mere geopolitical and military might? Why have such a narrow viewpoint?

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>>137651594

> it is everyone's problems but the brazilian people

We gave you everything and you fucked up , 1889 Brazil died and it was because of YOU , we gave you everything and you fucked it all.

>>137650391
Great source, much logic. I have seen side by side examples of the Portuguese word being clearly Romance and the Spanish word being clearly Arabic. I have not seen any counterexamples but believe the author of the piece (while sure some must exist). The Spanish achievement deficit tracks with Muslim hostility toward inovation.

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Alhambra

>>137637822
The difference is that Italians came in contact with the Greeks and adopted the Hellenic culture while Spaniards were too busy being barbarians.

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>>137637822
Daily reminder that this fucking garbage is Spain's greatest contribution to European culture.

>>137637822
obviously, if jews and muslims have control over you, and are actively selling you in slave markets at home and abroad, it becomes difficult for the Euro man/woman to reach their natural state of excellence. Notice after the muz/jew was given the boot, then immediately, and I mean immediately, the Iberian reversed the bad fortune to the tune of discovering the New World, no less. Coincidence? I think not!
>1492 Spaniards gave the jew the shoe, and muz too

>>137652987

To be fair you brought far too many negros to the continent for Brazil to ever be a great country.

>>137650299
yes, and this fags really think that only the anglos are any better than the rest of the world just because they have been in power since just about 2 centuries ago.

>>137652381
kek I don't think this one will work against the italians.

>>137652539
I have a second house in s'Agaró too. It's 100% touristic but most are locals tho.

>>137637822
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_inventions_and_discoveries

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>>137653253
You are wrong

>>137650691
>Now, if you ask for other former british colonies such as Italy, Hong Kong, and any other african countries that were under british rule, they are poor, below the leage, and that's because natives were not removed, or at least not properly. You can see a middle ground between those two groups in South Africa, where the colonial population are a minority where there are less and less whites in there, and at the same time you can appreciate a progressive downfalL in that country.
yep can confirm that, it has become a mess with all that multicultural shit going here for the past century that almost all the latin countries are really fucked up, you should have made a better job

>>137637822
To be fair they did colonize half the western hemisphere, albeit poorly. Still
better than anything the Italians did.

Also the Portuguese explorers sailed all the way to Japan when the Italians just painted and sodomized each other. Henry the Navigator, Vasco de Gama, Diogo Silves and others explored the globe even before Columbus made it to America.

>>137637822
Senti bruttoni, Italy is superior but Iberico ham is the best

>>137649370
Those are just haplogroups btw, you can have 99% European DNA and have a non-European haplogroup while a 50/50 mestizo can have an European Y haplogroup.

>>137653030
>I have not seen any counterexamples but believe the author of the piece
So you basically admit to utter ignorance concerning your main "fact"-based point, while shamelessly wandering into idiotic speculation and fantasy for your "conclusion"? Man, this is embarrassing. The differences between Spain and Portugal are infinitesimally tiny in the grand scheme of things, and reducing them to Moorish influence is childishly simplistic.

>>137653290

They had just abolished slavery and niggers didn't cause as much problems as they did in NA.

>>137637822
>such closely related peoples like Italians and Iberians


This is a fucking myth. Culturally they only have in common their mediterranean and greco-roman cultural basis, besides that, genetically they are different since ancient times.

>inb4 haplogroups map

>>137639641
I'll bite, does Columbus and Amerigo vespucci sounds familiar?

>>137650495

holy shit, this is amazing

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>>137652749
>21 posts by this ID
>>137651965
>15 posts by this ID
Good job OP.

>>137645359
Amerigo Boipucci

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>>137653253

of course is the ETERNAL ANGLO shitposting about europeans

go back to your shitty small island in the french sea

>>137650495
Viva España!

>>137638512
Fucking based
Spanish posters best posters

>>137637822
>>137637822
>Italy
Joined the Axis

>Spain
Did not join the Axis

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>>137647218
The first undersea vehicle was invented by an American in 1775 trying to drill holes in the bottom of British ships docked in Boston harbor.

>>137654128
Yeah, why would Italians have anything to do with Iberians genetically? They are pretty far away from each other geographically. Iberians are really just low tier Meds who failed to become civilized early.

>>137654677
Fuck off, spic. This is a European thread.

>>137654930
Do you have the slightest fucking clue what state Spain was in after the Civil War?

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>>137655338

sorry i can't notice your small island full of Pajeets and Mohameds

do you have Sharia law yet?

>>137638512

Spaghetti utterly BTFOd

What was the last thing Italy colonized?

Ethiopia? top kek

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>>137653703
Dali is pretty awesome tbqh

>>137654959
The submarine "Peral" was the first electric battery-powered submarine

>>137655338
Respect the chileans, they are maybe the most civilized people in south america.

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>>137655302
That's what happens when Greeks, Romans, Carthagenians and Phoenicians want to kill you at the same time. Either way, Ancient Iberians had a very unique alphabet and symbols.

>>137655669
The Mercator projection isn't really the best way of showing relative sizes in this case, Adolfo.

>>137655302
>Iberians are really just low tier Meds who failed to become civilized early.

This is were you shows your ignorance. Iberians were civilized before the roman invasion, and under the roman rule Hispania was one of the most important provinces of Rome for its culture and wealth, with the Baetica being a senatorial province (do you even understand what this means??) giving two emperors for the glory of the Roman Empire.

I dont know why I am trying to educate a faggot, to be honest.

>>137647218
>>137654959

NOT TRUE

WE INVENTED IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>The first submersible of whose construction there exists reliable information was designed and built in 1620 by Cornelis Drebbel, a Dutchman in the service of James I of England. It was propelled by means of oars.[5]

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>ywn bleach half a continent and take all their gold

Eduard Hil is of Spanish descent and he managed to make one of the most influential memes ever.

>>137637822
Lagrange was French, he got out of Shitaly and never looked back

>>137655786
Mate, sorry, but that writing system is just adapted Punic. Doesn't really matter, though, as Iberia did produce a local native urbanised society at a very early period anyway. Those implying otherwise are just ignorant and really ought to do some research into the civilisation that produced the Lady of Elche.

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>>137637822

>>137655760
Fair enough. The Spanish Ictineo II should also be considered a major step forward since it was the first submarine with an engine.

>>137656107
>rowboat covered in leather that putted around the Thames
Nice try kiddo

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Pena Palace, Portugal:

>>137638512
why are your colonies all shit?

>>137645646
literally who

>>137656522

>see thumbnail
>think its a pile of bloody, festering parasite shit
>open thumbnail

well i started fapping for no reason
fuuuuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuu.

>>137656422
So according to you some Senegalese who moves to France and never looks back is also French, right?

>>137656455
Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the correction. Recently I started to research what was going on in Iberia in ancient times and everything seem really interesting.

>>137657159
Senegalese are niggers, they can't be French. Italians and people in south of France have the same ethnicity

>>137656089
>Iberians were civilized before the roman invasion

They were a tribal society without a writing system. That's uncivilized by default.

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>>137648725
>tfw you like Italy so much you kick out the French, install your cousin in Naples and annex Milan

>>137652987
>you fucked up
You know that the republic was proclaimed by a bunch of Freemasons with zero popular support, do you?

OP is fucking ignorant. Spanish art and literature are pretty damn good.

>>137651855
I wouldn't be so hard on Southern Italians. Come to America and deal with niggers, spics, and Native Americunts. Afterward even the most fucked up Sicilian will seem like a gift from god by comparison.

>>137643785
Kanye West BTFO

>>137657159
Same thing for Marie Curie, she was French

>>137656233
Seriously, they did far more than any other european for the future of whites.

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>>137656898
They brought that upon themselves. After independence, they were so unstable they were constantly in wars against each other. Mexico had the chance to become a very powerful empire and chose not to.
Pic related did nothing wrong and could've made Mexico 100x better than it is now.

>>137637822
Reminder: IBERIANS ARE NOT WHITE

They look just like North Africans. Europe starts at the Pyrenees

>>137648725
How could anyone like Italians

>>137657483
The problem is that Sicilians are not europeans, really.

>>137648725
Because you're both brown

Brown people stick together I guess

>>137657819
>Le Moorish Sicillian meme

Theres more Greek genetic influence in the modern Sicilian than North African.

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>>137657790
I guess we are the best African country now.

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>>137640220
I agree. Their level of no-nonsense is pretty inspiring. Pic related.

>>137657790
Calm down Tyrone. are you missing the met? iberians are white and not only by genes, also by civilization

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Daily reminder that Portuguese navigator Miguel Corte-Real was the first European to reach US soil in 1511.

The Portuguese Empire was the first and the longest-ever lived global overseas empire in a time when most of Europe was jerking cocks to each other in pointless christianity differences or just plain and simply being ass-rammed by turkroaches in the East.

How does it feel that your piece of colonial clay was most likely named and discovered by a Lusitano master race?

>>137651452
Paid/offered by Apartheid South African Union. Based South Africans.

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>>137657790
>ur not white

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this youtuber that looks like me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBt3Ftxidlk

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>>137641537
There is a reason why so much of the world speaks Spanish and basically nobody outside of Italy speaks Italian.

>>137658344
Calm down Pedro, no need to insult your European brethren to get your achievements noted. Also nice job btfoing shitskins worldwide.

>>137657391
>They were a tribal society without a writing system. That's uncivilized by default.


Kek. Iberian society was orgaized in city-states and classes. Their writting system has been posted by now, and even in the south there was a tartessian variant. Celtiberians had their own language and writting system too. The fuck are you talking about? There are even an older "primitive" civilization, the Millares. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>137658372
Shit, if anything, South Africans are actually your true greatest allies, they helped Portugal in every colonial war.

>>137658333
No they aren't. I'm not disparaging their countries, they have amazing achievements, created some of the most impressive empires, almost alone made Christianity the worlds largest religion, and get the most credit in finding the new world

This is all great and all, but go to their countries, they aren't white. Most are mixed with the natives from the countries they colonized, and they're all brown. They're definitely brown people

>>137658344
That guy still isn't white though

>>137658583
Fuck Euros, our true allies are the bongs and even them betrayed us in 1890 but we let that slide because Aljubarrota and Napoleonic Wars.

Everyone else can suck tuga cock since they fucked with us at some point, especially the miserable backstabbing Dutch.

>>137650299

They were military powers, mate. Well, Spain was. Portugal had a monopoly on spice until they got HENKED.
Spain was still a blasted wasteland in the 16th century, when Charles was emperor of nearly all actual human beings, froggy notwithstanding, shit, most of it remains so to this day.
They became powerful because of their fucking brutal soldiers and because they stumbled on the largest quantity of gold ever discovered, and proceeded to trade it all away for manufactured goods from England and - get this - the fucking Netherlands.

In a roundabout way, the Spanish pumped wealth into the Low Countries in exchange for ephemeral shit, without them they probably, paradoxically, never would have been as significant as they became.
Might never have become independent at all.

>>137637822
>Marconi
get out
"Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."
_überchad inventor Tesla

>>137658947
>amerimutts
>white

>>137658739
>but go to their countries
John, we are talking about the Iberians (spaniards and portuguese people) not about latinamericans. In Spain the indian blood came with the recent massive immigration, and I think they are not mixing that much (or I hope so)

>>137658739
I have never seen an Iberian scoring Native American in a DNA test...
Who cares, if an anon on 4chan said it, then it must be true.

>>137644931
THE PIC IS NAMED ITALY, MORAN

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>>137658372
Here's the sign saying they offered that >>137658702

>>137658739
You're talking out of your fucking arse, mate, and are statistically FAR more likely to have non-Euro blood than they are, as even am I due to disastrous immigration policies over the last few decades that have very little counterpart in Spain.

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Here are photos of Gracile and or Atlanto Iberian's which are a subgroup of Mediterranean.

First is sevilla

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>>137658739
T. i've visited seville, madrid and lisbon and the people look whiteºeuropeans, not necessarly blond e but white for suree. If you expect them to loom like mexicans your about to have a shock.

>>137652686

>The Spanish nobility accomodated late Arab infestation for the cash.

And ended up butchering the Muslims and raping their women, because they would never actually submit to rule by Christians.
Muslim supremacy was a fundamental characteristic of the Andalusian settler states, they were rolled back, forcibly converted, and when the Castilians reached Granada, they fought and fought and fought until they were all either expelled, killed or converted by the sword.
That is how you handle muslets.

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>>137659419
Same might be 1/3 Sicilian

>>137638499
The pic is of Spain and he doesnt say its Iitaly

>>137658947
Nun'Álvares Pereira is the embodiment of true Deus Vult and one of the most brilliant military strategists of all time.

>he wasn't white
Charlottesville really got to you LaQuan, but don't worry, those 60% will go down further in 2020.

>>137655669
>doesnt know about mercator deformation
tipycal chilote

>>137638512
Jesuits suck mah boy

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>>137638959

Fucking love this meme. Spen posters best posters.

>>137659419
Joselito from Jaen gracile med

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>>137659799

>>137655976
>>137659724
http://thetruesize.com

>>137659224
>John, we are talking about the Iberians (spaniards and portuguese people) not about latinamericans.

I know. Lots of Spainards and Moortugese are mixed with those from their former colonies.

>>137659001

>our true allies are the bongs

Joao, I...

>>137652773
Fuck off outskirts of the world-no one is interested in what ya got.

>>137659001
Europeans had their war's but if you don´t act as one against the marxist and migrant waves, you will be swallowed, all of you and also us.

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Spen will conquer the world

>>137659227
Iberians aren't white, you're just mad because you're probably like 50% Moortugese so you defend them because they raped your native ancestors hundreds of years ago

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José Antonio Primo de Rivera. Andalusian and Castillan mix.

>>137655748
We dont like niggers so it was actually smart to steer clear of the slave trade.........faggot.

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>>137645359
>Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.
that's the virgin version
the chad one is that Amaru is the Plumed Serpent god and the continent was named after Him, first by the natives and then by the freemasons who conquered it

>>137654917
because jesuits??? trololololol
hey hey- remember when they stole your gold and pretended to be your friend & killed you? sad No you dont remember because your not Taino your mxed breed chococolavannilla shit

>>137659935
>Lots of Spainards and Moortugese are mixed with those from their former colonies.
Look, Pachacuatapetl, there has barely even been TIME for this to have happened. Your Inca kin never really set foot in Iberia until the 1990s.

>>137659994
Meh we're already a proto-communist nigger-infested hellhole anyway

1974 was the worst year of our history, even more so than 1580. Please Salazar come back and end the rampant lefty degeneracy in our Pátria

>>137637822
we were too busy dividing the world in 2: portugal and spain

>>137654917
and chicken legged

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pedro de valdivia

bandjoz Extremadura


As you can see these are what PURE iberians look like with out any Gothic or nigger celt influence

If it wasn't by the huge influx of German and ITALIAN migrants in the 20th century, my country would have collapsed already. Literally, the regions with Portuguese descendants only (Rio, North, Northeast) are the crappy ones, while the ones with mostly German and Italians (South States and São Paulo) are the ok ones, that actually sustain all the others

just saying

>>137656898
Good question

>>137642118
Dali was a retard who painted like a five year old.

>>137660081
A truly great European man.

iPresente!

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Hernando de Soto aka the indio killer

>>137638959
Then why is your language come from us

>>137660489
Rio, North and Northeast have NIGGERS and SHITSKINS, that's why they're crappy

they were brought by the portuguese anyways tho

>>137660489
>portuguese descendants

you must mean monkey favela niggers

I'd be amazed to find any "manel tuga" in Fortaleza where they barely speak portuguese anyway

>>137659935
Top kek. There is no genetic tests nor evidence that support your claim.
We have some north african blood from massive migrations in the neolithic, but not latin american. Even the most brownish spaniards doesnt look like indians or berbers, and that's easy to see when you walk in the spanish streets and see all those immigrants.

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>>137660081
Him and Ramiro Ledesma didn't deserve such deaths

>>137660457
>these are what PURE iberians look like with out any Gothic or nigger celt influence
Ah, sorry, didn't immediately realise you were a retard.

>>137639192
His question is about Spain

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>>137660406
>ctrl+f
>comun
>its a fellow luso angry about our situation
of course
but the time is coming soon

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>>137660063
You can repeat that to yourself Tyrone but it will not happen to be true.


Even by DNA they are quite similar to the rest of europeans

>>137659935
This is how I know this is bait, no one can actually be this much retarded

>>137660841
They live forever, Juanjo.

>>137654353
yes but they needed spanish dollaroos

>>137639831
But your empire didnt model anything Ours did it modelled the U.S. of A. for example

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>>137637822
To be fair to the Spanish, they did create the second most impressive colonial empire.

Just a shame it wasn't quite as good as ours. :^)

>>137637822
I bet you're descended from Faggin.

>>137660766

Niggerness is all over the country, unfortunately, thanks to the Napoleon Bitches. But only the southern regions have Italians and Germans genes and almost zero Iberic blood.

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>>137661091
Forever in the hearts of the true Spanish people.

>>137649072

Underrated post.

>>137645648
His idea. Youre nothing but carne de cañon which anyone can furnish

>>137648725
Love you too
Do not fall for the jew tricks, we must not divide

>>137661273
The Iberic blood is omnipresent in this country, either from the colonizers or the immigrants from the 19th century.
Not that you can't find people with pure Germanic or Italian ancestry, but it's quite rare and this kind of people generally isolates itself on tiny colonies in Santa Catarina or Rio Grande do Sul

>>137660947
Bloco de Esquerda is in charge, nothing we can do while they keep brainwashing our educated youth.

>>137648725
I agree.

>>137661532
You both are inferior to white Europeans