I don't necessarily classify myself as a feminist (so don't

>>137629125
Males are better at doing their job, that's why they earn more.

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>>137629125
Do you believe in Asian privilege in the West?

Because men and women do different jobs in different fields of economy of fucking course their salaries are going to be different. The wage cap is only relevant if it exists when all variables besides gender have been equalized. Just taking all men's wages and all women's wages and comparing them shows nothing.

hahaha fucking poorfags, learn how do work and get properly paid
nobody will pay a dicksucking bitch full price idiot

>>137629392
So as a means of justifying the gender pay gap you further worsen the situation by endorsing a stereotype that men are better at work than women? Bet you're the type to make 'get in the kitchen wench' jokes.

>>137629499
We're talking about gender here. Compare each of the nationalities in your picture with the pay that the women earn compared to their male counterparts. In all of them women earn significantly less than men! So, thanks for proving my point.

The wage gap exists because of such things as men and women generally working in different fields. Generally men end up going into STEM, while women will generally do things like teaching, social working, etc etc. STEM pays more so men end up getting more, but it's not because of some intrinsic "women get paid less than men no matter what". It's illegal to do that and if that is happening and you know of it you should report it to the authorities.
Salaries are not equal and never will be equal, so the best way to remedy that would be for women to get into STEM, instead of getting gender studies degrees. However, people do what they wish, live lives that they want, and that's what is important.

That's how I understand this so far, by the way. Tell me if it's otherwise, fellow anons.

>>137629499
hmmmm
>work as a engineer
>work as a shitty lazy hotel cleaner
>WAAAAHHHH WAAAHHHH I DON'T GET PAID SAME AS ENGINEEEER WWWWAAAAHHHHH

why do poorfags do this?

>>137629125
The wage gap is a myth son it doesn't account for type of employment, hours worked, overtime rates. Etc etc.
A man and a woman doing the same job for the same company for the same amount of time and experience will be paid exactly the fucking same.
You can't make women want to do high-risk high paying jobs that may get them killed.

>>137629125
>when genuine statistics like this exist
WOW IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING PICTURE
Kill yourself faggot.

OP is such a tard who doesn't understand what an "average" is

>>137629617
Well, you are the one who started a bait thread. Don't be surprised you are getting bait replies like that.

>>137629809
Asian woman earn more than white male fuck off cunt

>>137629125
>genuine statistics like this exist

Thi has to be bait. This shit is the most debunked thing on the internet. If you're too dumb to not understand that such a statistic has no meaning whatsoever, then you should kys.

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>>137629125
This has been explained 100 times
TR:DR Women take maternity leave and other vacations/time off, work in different professions which results in men being paid more as a whole, and typically are less focused towards careers then men, along with worse negotiation skills (unless sucking your boss off counts)

>>137629809
Do Asians make more money because of privilege or do they make more money due to other factors? If women are systematically oppressed how is it that there happens to be a population of women who make more than white men in full time wages?

>>137629125

When you control for skill/qualifications needed for the job, hours worked, time taken off, maternity and the other zillion things that are different between the genders the gap is more like 1 to 3 cents

>>137630207
No no no you can't compare a male's wage to that of a woman's of a completely different nationality. Different countries have different levels of education and it would be no surprise that the average asian women earns more than the average white man, asians are so much more advanced in technological understanding, education etc. The problem here is to do with GENDER, not NATIONALITY.

>>137629125
Women shouldn't be in the workforce, its degenerate. saged.

>>137630619
Dumb fuck those are the racial demographics of the United states. And have nothing to do with country.
Sage goes in all fields cunt.

>>137630616
Can you cite a source for this? I always hear stuff like this but have yet to see legitimate proof. :)

This shouldn't be surprising. Just look at the specific jobs that women take vs the jobs men take. Take the medical field, for example. Most women in the medical field work as nurses, while more men are full-fledged doctors and surgeons. Naturally, there is going to be a pay discrepancy. Same with most STEM industries. Most engineering and science jobs are filled by men. When you have large numbers of women going to college, getting useless art and nutrition degrees or getting married and having minimalistic jobs, while a lot more men seek degrees in thriving fields and seek jobs that are in demand. While there are both men and women who break these trends, they are fairly consistent when summing up the general populace.

>>137630843
You're the dumb fuck lol. Trust me, if they were raised and educated in the US they would not be still classified as Asian.

>>137629125

Women tend to value low stress, flexible hours, pleasant workplaces, status and human interaction over money.

Men value money first, status a distant second.

Men will work 12 hour shifts, at night, up to their armpits in filth, all alone, in dangerous conditions, if the money is good enough. Men will worry and work themselves into an early grave for money and status, ending up married to jobs they hate. Most women won't do that, and will be miserable if they try.

The pay "gap" is a number that represents those choices. It literally means the free market is giving people what they want, so long as what they want is anything other than "free money".

When women make the same career choices as men, they make the same money. Most women are miserably unhappy when they make those choices, but the market has other paths available to them. The only way someone could have a problem with this is if they want women to make choices that leave them miserable.

Why do you hate women OP?

>>137630619
These are labor statistics from within the US from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Asians in the US make more than White people in the US and Asian women in the US make more than White men in the US in full time wages. How does a systematically oppressed population make more than the men of the majority population?

the method they used to get the 1.00 to .79 ratio is flawed

they took all the money men earned and placed it against female money

>>137630973
Don't you think there's a problem in the trends you just described? Isn't it wrong that women with the same level of qualifications as men are struggling to get employed in the STEM sector? Why is it that so many women feel the required responsibility to stay home and raise their children? The answer to the latter question is because of society's out-dated gender roles and the fact that apparently it's still 'gay' for a man to take a more active role in raising kids and household duties.

>>137629125
That statistic is across the board. Doesn't take job type, experience, education, or anything but straight pay figure into account. When looking closer at job type for example the pay gap disappears. There is no gap for different genders working the same or very similar jobs.

Sure, the statistic is valid, but only an idiot would use it to argue women should be paid more. Why don't you try encouraging your female friends into stem jobs if they want to make more?

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>>137629125
>the wage gap is a legitimate problem
WRONG

>>137631339
>women with the same level of qualifications as men are struggling to get employed in the STEM sector?
source?

if you provide no source for this you're a lying baiting faggot

there is no pay gap when you control for experience, years worked, training, job type and title

Say someone works 40 hours and someone else works 20 hours.

Would you say there's a gap in their pay?

You would, but that doesn't mean the person working fewer hours is being discriminated against. THIS is where the wage gap myth stems from: comparing apples to oranges.

If you can prove women, working the same job, with the same qualifications, with the same work history, working for the same hours are being paid a noticeable difference, then you'd probably receive an award for being the first person to actually prove the myth.

Yet, it remains a myth because it's just that and will always be that.

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When you take on like 30 people in this thread by yourself and prove them all wrong.

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>>137629125


Watch this short 10 Minute video and you will understand.

So simple, even a woman can understand it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXCfV3ikZw

>>137629125

>79 cents to a dollar

they're overpaid.

>>137629125
>genuine statistics
>my shitty graphic with no citations
Binned

>>137629125
Women get paid the same amount in the same job as men. They work less hours than men on average, they work lower paying jobs because of their choices in degrees and careers. Men value making oney and their social staus higher because that is what determines our value to women in society.

It isn't fucking rocket science you retard

>>137631584
Oh fuck this is some trash bait
I thought you were serious about being retarded for a second

>>137631584
there is no wage gap and you have provided 0 evidence for it

>>137629125
anon, that statement is based on a median pulled on the average yearly income of an average man vs that of a woman. it doesn't take into account all of the different variables that lead to that median, such as the clear fact that on average women work less, or persue jobs that simply do not pay as much as others.

>>137631584
Aaaaaaaand reddit fag detected. No wonder you argue like a fucking moron

>>137629125
kys newfag

>>137631584
Well that explains the shitty threat.

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>>137629125
modern feminism is based on lies; women don't earn less than men
http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/

wage gap
http://web.archive.org/web/20150227071221/http://www.aei.org/publication/once-you-impose-the-ceteris-paribus-condition-the-alleged-23-gender-pay-gap-starts-to-quickly-evaporate/
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxiYmJzZW1pbmFyNTV8Z3g6NmVlYTc3YmM5OTc0YTkzMw


Women are more unhappy despite 40 years of feminism, claims study
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html


Stay-at-home mothers are the happiest: Women who don't return to work suffer less from feelings of boredom and worthlessness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381647/Stay-home-mothers-happiest-Women-dont-return-work-suffer-feelings-boredom-worthlessness.html

good bye thread

>>137631584
>prove
i see 0 evidence

>>137629617

How is that a steriotype?
It's mostly men in fisical jobs, a male medic and female medic get the same if they start working for the same hospital at the same time in the same functions, discrimination is ilegal
But most industry, farm and mining is made by man while women choose cleaning, textiles and nannies

>>137631378
Going to point out something here that your close mind is clearly unable to figure out. These statistics highlight an even worse, underlying problem. The reason why so little men are employed in kindegarten/schools/child care is because of the age-old stereotype that women's role in life should be to raise the children of this world, while the men go out and do 'real jobs'. Likewise, look at the rest of these jobs names. 'Health AIDES', 'clerks', 'housekeepers, maids', even 'assistants', even 'nurses'. All those titles reflect the idea that women always have to be the 'sidekick' when a male is around, unless of course it is fulfilling their one role set out by society: to raise children or be a house maid.

>>137631023
Read the source, it's about Asians the US.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-databook/archive/women-in-the-labor-force-a-databook-2015.pdf Table 16 2014 data

>>137631339
>same level of qualifications as men are struggling to get employed in the STEM sector?

Literally has not happened in your lifetime. Show up, have vagina, pretend to work, make big bucks.

And men will eagerly volunteer for being stay at home dad's the same day that women start fucking those dad's with the same enthusiasm they fuck successful lawyers, doctors, and entrepreneurs.

>>137632064
*Asians in the US.

>>137631600
>So simple, even a woman can understand it:
My sides

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>>137629125

>Why gender pay gap?

Here is the short version:

Women.

Work.

Less.

>>137629125
Men and women are different. Their DNA is an entire chromosome of difference, and this affects the way their brain is constructed, which affects the choices they make. It also affects their bodies which are generally less physically capable then mens, which usually leads to the choice of doing less demanding work than men. Since that had been the accepted standard forever, even now with machines doing most of the work and much of the work being done in an office environment, women are still allowed to choose less demanding work for themselves, which is necessary for society to continue anyway, because if they don't, they won't have the stamina left to give birth to or raise their children.

OP i'm a feminist and you're are a faggot

>>137629125
Show me these statistics. It is literally illegal to pay men more than women in the US.
Such statistics were most likely conjured up by finding the average salary given to both men and women in one particular workplace, where the position of the job, requirements, hours worked, and amount of staff per gender is directly correlated to the average a company works.
So if company A pays both men and women the same wage, but there are more men working in the company, the average salary given to men is going to be higher than that of women in relation to how much the company is paying their employees overall.

>>137632062
>0 evidence
>0 arguments
you should try providing evidence and sources.

you also should not ignore all the posts that provide evidence against your narrative, faggot.

>>137632062
>age old
Pre ww2, so less than 100 years ago, men dominated almost all professions, teaching included. It's a post war thing that females became any significant share of the work force.
Read a book faggot

>>137629125
That is just lazy and biased statistics promoted by feminits and other idiots.

This has been shown to be false like 30 to 40 years ago. But they still push that shit. Its mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pQ7KXv0o0

>>137629125
The claim is that women only earn 79% FOR THE SAME WORK.
The way it's calculated is the average earning of ALL men versus the average earnings of ALL women.
At no point was THE SAME WORK taken into consideration in that calculation.
When you control SAME WORK, women earn nearly the same. When you control for other variables, what little gap shrinks to nothing.

>>137631023

No, it's really all americans.

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>>137629125
You're asking the wrong questions. Without locking women into monogamous marriage and keeping them at home as child-rearing housewives, society collapses sooner or later. It's really that simple.

>>137632332
feminist = faggot

>>137632160
it's 4% if you adjust for fields (in sweden at least)
this is because of that.
It is even stated in the swedish wage gap movements source but ofc they're not using that part, just the overall stats

>>137629125
10 Male CEO's vs 10 Female janitors
Who gets the most?

The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full time. It does not count for different job positions, hours worked or different jobs. It has nothing to do with the same job. It has nothing to do with discrimination.

>>137629125
Because that statistic compares all the women vs all the men with no care taken to look at how many hours they work per week and what jobs they do. The real wage gap is between married (or previously married) women and everyone else, women under 30 earn more now in the US than their male counterparts. If you're a 50 year old divorcee who was out of the job market for 2 decades and are now working at wal mart of course the 50 year olds in careers are blowing you out of the water. Likewise with those who took time off for children.

Get the fuck of our bored you normal fag REEEEEEE

>>137632893
Go to bed Bobby

>>137629392
/thread
Also, they should be lucky they are allowed to get jobs.

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>>137629125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWBXbGVyQU

oh, and kill yourself.

>>137629125
Because it assumes everyone does exactly the same job and is equally good at it.

>>137632062
This really is one of the most debunked feminist talking points available, so I believe you're being disingenuous. Just as >>137632813 points out, why do you think simply comparing the total average wage for men vs. total average wage for women is the correct way to analyze this?

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>>137629392
feel bad for any of you fucks who have to work with women.

>>137629125
The difference is due to the difference in performance.

>>137629125
Polish pay gap is real.

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>>137630909
Are you making a claim that a man and a woman earn different amounts of money for the same job with this picture? Have you read the actual paper from which you are citing these stats from? Their methods? Did they correct for time/skills? You can't just find a meme picture on facebook and use it as proof. You are the one making that claim, and its up to you to provide evidence.

>>137632062

>Women are free to chose career
>Most choose education, medical or nursing courses, in low paid jobs, they send their cv first to textiles, cleaning, and cooking businesses
>They get employed by the bosses who like them enough to work in his/her company

It's society fault

>>137629125
>not bait

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>>137629125
Slide thread but I'll bite.

For the last time, the wage gap is technically true, but not in the damn way feminists and libshits make it seem.

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>>137629125

It is a myth.

>>137636559
the only trend breaker in the "least lucrative" category is for theology and religious vocations aka most religious leaders are men

>>137629125
Believing the Jew.

Ohhh sweetie the Jew is Cursed to never be able to tell the truth just like the devil.

If you look you will find that what they have told you is exactly opposite of reality every time.

>>137629125

A lot of companies are doing flat rates with no room for negotiating. You move up you get moved to the next bracket everyone else who moved up started at with yearly raises.

As fair as it gets. Sucks for the cunning individuals who negotiated more at their jobs.

What is this board becoming... Sage goes in all fields.

Most women just sit around and yap all day. Only a tiny percentage do actual work.

>>137629125
>when genuine statistics like this exist?
sauce or GTFO

>>137629125
Because the statistic says all full time working men vs. all full time working women. That is not the same as men and women who do the same job. If for some reason men are more likely to choose high paying carreer fields than women then the average men will be paid more than the average women even if they make the same amount of money for the same job.

>>137629125
>not baiting
>is clearly baiting
What did he mean by this?

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>>137629125
Due to the method used to come up with that statistic. The figures of 77-80 cents per male dollar is a result of adding up the earnings of all women and all men and taking a simple average. It does not account for differences in career choices and time dedicated to said careers.

The people who want you to interpret this as comparing men and women doing the exact same jobs with no other variables are either utterly ignorant or deceitful. For one thing, it is already quite illegal in the US to pay a person less just because of their gender.

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>>137629125
>>137629617
>>137629809
>>137630619
>>137630909
>>137631023
>>137631339
>>137631584
>>137632062
notice how the leftist faggot abandons his own thread when he is presented with facts and statistics that prove him wrong.

>>137639971
Dumb yank.

>>137640108
fuck you ahmed