Can someone redpill me on Viktor Orbán? Is he an actual nationalist

>>137270638
>corrupt power grabber enriching his close circle?
the latter.

>>137270901
But he has prevented the refugee crisis from infecting Hungary right?

>>137271303
All 500 of them?
Only on 4chan is Hungary some sort of fantasy wonderland. In reality it's a corrupt shithole and everyone smart enough are fleeing.

>>137270638
His foreign policy is flawless if you are a hungarian citizen and you want your interests protected.

He has brought the country back from Greece level debt, and the country constantly performs better than initial expectations by the (((foreign))) analysts, who set the credit ratings of countries.

Since 1989, the state owned industries have been partially privatized (mostly by the left, giving them away to their "friends" for symbolic 1 forint price), the rest was ruined by government involvement. Orbán delegated almost all of that to private investors, whom he trusted - thats where most of the corrupt and maffia shilling is based on - even though there have been cases where this not only saved those industries, but made them a success - like MOL.

>>137270901
Hide your flag more gypsy.

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>>137271735
literally spending 5 seconds googling what the migrant crisis looked like in the beginning you would have realized that the entire flood heading towards germany (millions) wanted to and partially went through Hungary.

>>137272146
what about constitutional changes? She especially mentions something about his party winning two thirds of parliamentary seats and thus being able to change the law to keep his party in power for ever. Has he really consolidated his rule that much?

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>>137272146
99% agree with this. Orbán has a few things up his sleeve, you never know what he's up to next.

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>>137271735
Baszd meg, cigany.

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>>137270638
>liberal Hungarian gf
Don't trust Hungarian liberals, they sold their souls to Soros long ago.

>>137271735
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Thanks for demonstrating that Breivik was right and the world is better off without leftists.

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>>137272446
>win two thirds of seats in parliament
>govern accordingly
>hungarian democracy is in jeopardy;_;

>>137270638
>my wife's sons liberal Hungarian GF

>>137272926
what? I don't have a wife or any sons. It's my dad who has the gf.

>>137272881

What about the new constitution?

>>137272854
Nice non-arguments.
It's pretty well known that Hungary has a massive braindrain problem.

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>>137271735
>500

Here's you favorite Soros shill blog (444) charting the number of migrants arriving at the Hungarian border in 2015. Thousands came every day. Thank god, we have a fence that diverted the traffic from here.

>>137272446
Budapest has around 1.7 million citizens in country that has a little less than 10 million citizens. Previously Budapest was one of the only leftist strongholds in the country, and they kept winning elections, regardless how much the rural country suffered. He made the election system somewhat closer to the US electoral system - without electors.

Part of what he changed was also the number of politicians running the country, he cut the number to less than half. Which I support wholeheartedly.

As for the rest, he made a constitution that is specifically based on christian values, and is trying to fix the population decrease by political means, not with immigration - lowered taxes massively, special tax exemptions if you are starting a family and you both work, etc.

>>137273172
Show your flag you gypsy scum if you want to hate on subhuman bozgors do it with pride and your flag up,unless you are a subhuman shitskin gypsy.

>>137270638
Why not both?

I think he's one of the more interesting politicians today. Not too many people start out as a communist and see the error of their ways.

>>137273334
And how many wanted to stay in Hungary?

>>137271735
We hear the same propaganda here on daily basis.
>Be ashamed of your nation
>Your nation is shit
>Non-leftist politicians are corrupt
I don't think it's very effective in the Internet age when everyone can see that shills like yourself are saying the same generic bullshit everywhere in the world regardless of circumstances.

>>137273172
Wtf has Orbán to do with that? Brain drain exists in every undeveloped country, it was not introduced by Orbán. Was Gyurcsány keeping every Hungarian at home?

>>137273144
>What about the new constitution?
All changes were made above board, approved by Parliament with support from the main opposition, which was even FURTHER to the right at that time (though they've since shifted left because there's a vacuum for left votes since all the leftist parties are utterly incompetent)

>>137271735
No, the migrant crisis was terrible in the beginning for Hungollia, after the fence and orbans efforts everything normalized.

>>137273567
The question is not how many wanted to stay here, that's irrelevant. The EU wanted to dump them on us, because they entered the EU here (not true actually, since the entered Greece first), but Germany would be deporting hundreds of thousands of migrants back to us, if we had to register them. Now that we have a fence, their numbers have significantly reduced and Germany can't start deporting them back here, because most are now going other routes.

Has connections with Soros- supposedly they are enemies. Personally, after consulting a hungarian friend about the situation, i think he's LARPing to make nationalism look stupid, and causing a counter-swing back left. My friend says immigration into hungary is very slight, and culturally, they have their shit together. Interestingly, hungary is not punished for their sentiments by the EU, but Poland is. Make of that what you will, but i think its because Orban is a theater manager.

>>137272446
>he especially mentions something about his party winning two thirds of parliamentary seats and thus being able to change the law

thats how every every fucking parliamentarian democracy is set up in Europe.

if you own 2/3rd of the seats you can change the constitution, but if it goes against very basic things often a mandatory public opinion poll has to be carried out.

So the parliament cant just change the republic into a monarchy.
Also constitutional courts can block such laws.

in short, your friend has no clue how a basic democratic republic is set up.

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>>137270638
By hungarian standards he is a cuck. The actual far-right party (Jobbik) could have forced him into a coalition next year if not for the refugee crisis, and some real improvements could have been archived, not just some number that looks good on paper.
All the positive thing he acomplished is the watered down version of what the Jobbik says.
Orban is just a liberal who plays what the people want to hear, i.e. saying western refugees are welcome, yet he banned 2 guy from the country for being right wing.

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>>137274010
>hungary isn't being punished for their sentiments but poland is
Wrong. Fact is neither can be punished because they will veto all sanctions on one another.

>>137274010
>Interestingly, hungary is not punished for their sentiments by the EU, but Poland is
That's because we are more relevant than Hungary. If they lose Poland, their project of Mitteuropa will fail.
Besides, EU punishment so far has been nothing but talk.

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>>137274153
>jobbik
>far right
lol

>>137274310
>>137274322
You say potato..

>>137274153
Funny, coming from a Jobbik supporter.

Wasn't it your party that started to pander to leftists and socialists lately, because they didn't want to agree with what Orbán was doing, since he is taking away their fanbase?

also, Jobbik is Simicska's party, (((controlled opposition))).

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I'm from eastern EU, and seeing Poland worshipped on pol is fucking retarded. If you ever visit poland, the Capital and main cities are okay, but the alleys are full of trash, gypsies asking for money in less-okay neighborhoods, potholes everywhere, cars that sound like farts because everyone mods their 1980 lada to run on cooking oil, dogs shitting on the street etc.

Poland is a shithole, but on pol, it's suddenly better than any other european country...fucking lol

No difference between Bulgaria and Poland if you take 2 steps outside a major city. The ONLY reason why they're doing good economically is because the EU invest MOOOOLAAAH money into poland. Basically, they're kings of GIBS ME MUNEY by the actual billions, and you retards worship them.

Do you actually think more than 20 refugees would actually STAY in shitholes like Poland and not go to Germany or Sweden? fuck off lmao.

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>>137274493
High quality contribution, fellow kekistani

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>>137274310
>Fact is neither can be punished because they will veto all sanctions on one another.
This is amazing

>>137274010
I don't think so.

If you look at Hungary economy it was only getting better when Orban was in power(as i remember checking couple years ago). Orban is being strongly opposed by Soros open institutes including those in Poland. Anyone connected to Soros's Stefan Batory institute pictures Orban as a facist, while Orban is lowering taxes and gov interventionism.

That is what i got from few informations about Hungarian politics

>>137272146
DON'T FORGET THAT HE FREED US FROM THE ROTSCHILDS' BANKING SYSTEM IN 2012!

>>137270638

hes riding the nationalist wave

dont put too much trust in a politician

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>>137274718

>>137274718
Again, i restate that this info is from a friend, who has his own opinions. It struck me that by playing both sides, Soros wins

>>137274907
oh, yeah he expelled IMF

>>137270638
Last I heard, he had a 2/3 supermajority by popular vote.

Hungarians love him, he's a truly great leader.

Oh, and the opposition party are national socialists.

>>137271735
But Hungary is a paradise you cuck. I wish I can live in Hungary but that would require me learning Magyar.

>>137275003

Lmao, you do realize how you look to other Europeans right?

Seeing these threads where Hungary and Poland get worshipped because they said mean words against immigration is hilarious.

Yes, hungary and poland, leaders of Europe........meanwhile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1mmr_mJztc

>>137274952
He is doing it without subverting it. Even if he he's not himself a "le based ebin nationalist" he hasn't done anything to subvert the will of the people who voted for him. Jobbik otoh is busy alienating its base to pander to the leftists because Irban is clever enough to coopt their best ideas.

>>137270638
>liberal Hungarian gf
Giving credit to a liberal bitch...please.
Ever since 2010 when he retook power Hungary has been improving, no wonder the liberal turds constantly moan.

>>137275157
Isn't Orban a gypsy though? Why can't normal Hungarians grow a spine and save their country instead of letting a gypsy do it for them?

>>137272545
Faszt kiabálsz amerikából, szardarab.

Apparently the Christians were not harshly repressed during the communist years in hungary, and as such the re-emergence of hyper christianity via Orban has some worried, and not just the atheists, that it is being used as a pawn

Orbán is godtier.

What a lot of people don't realize is that Hungary is still recovering from communism, and it doesn't matter who you vote for, its not going to be better from one day to another.

Yeah, our living standard because of that is way lower still, but don't be a dumb fuck, study IT or engineering and you'll live life just like everyone else does in the west.

Also Hungary isn't filled with degeneracy like the states and the west, most people (atleast the youth) condemn minorities, homosexuals, and all the sjw bullshit.

Also we have the finest bitches.

>>137275623
He isn't, this a leftist lie. You know the tolerant left? "Everybody he doesn't support the left, is a Nazi!", but "Hey, Orbán is a gyppo!". How tolerant.

>>137275708
>finest bitches
heh, I dont think so friend

>>137275708

> you'll live life just like everyone else does in the west

You people are truly delusional, your gdp per capita is 11,300 as of 2016. Even Romania, a complete shithole has a gdp per capita of 12,850.

Living like everyone in the west while you make 10x less? the fuck are you guys smoking there? you can't be serious

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>>137274514
I'm not a Jobbik supporter, it's just that even they are better than Orban.

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>>137275003
>Austria
>uncucked
sorry i have to tell you this Maygarbro, but Austria is Sweden/Germoney Tier

>>137276069
>Even Romania, a complete shithole has a gdp per capita of 12,850

Yeah, maybe, but we don't have IMF masters anymore like Romania does. Besides what the leftists have brought upon our country between 2002 and 2010, it's a true testament of our leadership that we have managed to get back to this level.

>>137276338
Germany is never going to be even half as close to electing right wing as you were, though.

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>>137275671
Soha nem kértem

>>137276261

You do realize what's going to happen to Hungary right?

Russia is currently waging a disinfo war against all of europe, making nationalism stronger.

Hungary will keep saying no to refugees, Hungary gets kicked from the EU, no more GIBS ME $$, Hungary becomes like greece in 3 years max and Germany turns you into a refugee camp.

Do you truly not see this?

>>137276069
>muh gdp

meanwhile average wages in Romanian are 25% lower than in Hungary.

>>137276452
that's true
but people are too cucked to make the only right wing party we have left the strongest party
we have elections in October and polls say FPÖ will be 2nd or 3rd place

>>137274644
>>137275404
>>137276069
>>137276552
(you)

>>137276552
Muh Russia. Tell me if russia is doing the same in the USA and i'll know where you're coming from

>>137270638
>Is he an actual nationalist leader defending Hungarian civilisation from liberalism, or a corrupt power grabber enriching his close circle?
You have to understand something about Eastern Europe, every country in it is a colony of western countries and their corporate interest. There is no real politics here, by real I don't mean realpolitik, I mean genuine, everyone is just looking to grab as much money as they can by implementing various policies, laws, regulations, etc. that foreign interests request.

>>137276452
We don't directly elect the President so your argument is irrelevant.

>>137276355

Dude, in a country as irrelevant as Hungary (no offense, all eastern EU is irrelevant geopolitically), having "masters" or not having them means absolutely nothing. If anything, IMF loans would be given to your country on a smaller % credit dependancy and liquidation of interest because you're in the EU. The IMF was literally pushing your country into 2050-non-shithole-Hungary-mode.

Do you truly believe the jews want to destroy Hungary? lmao

>>137276552
Plz, keep shilling somewhere else. The EU can't even cuck Orbán into taking refugees. The EU is rotten from inside, they have no moral backspine to do anything. Now that the Brits have turned their backs on the EU, they are doing everything to keep the rest together. If Hungary gets kicked out, other countries will follow. Juncker and Merkel will go down in history as the two jackasses who destroyed the EU with their selfish agenda.

>>137276672
I wouldn't be so defeatist, the people will be increasingly anti-shitskin as time passes. The only thing I would be afraid of is them outbreeding you.
Hopefully you will be able to change the ordination to make the capital less influential during the elections like Orban did.

>>137276903
I never made an argument that you don't elect a right wing president, germ. I said that you are not nearly as close to electing (any) right wing and you won't elect right wing in parliamentary election. In fact I doubt AFD will even get 15%.

>>137276552
>Hungary gets kicked from the EU, no more GIBS ME $$, Hungary becomes like greece in 3 years

Lel, I have a hunch we will Huxit out before 2020 anyway, we are just milking the retarded EU for every $$ we can. And the way I see it, THEY FUCKING OWE us that much after locking down the shitstream that came up from Greece.

Germany turning us into a refugee camp? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL, dude, you just made my day! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Germany is so incompetent and impotent they can't even expell shitskin migrants who have commited crimes against german people. What makes you think they can do ANYTHING to a country with legal rights in the European Court?

>>137276679

I'm not (you) harvesting, some of the shit u guys say is truly fantasy and it needs to be called out. I love poland on a cultural level, Hussars, saving Europe at the siege of Vienna, Sobieski, etc. will be forever known in Europe. But politically, you have to admit, there are some points to be made.

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>>137276919
>Do you truly believe the jews want to destroy Hungary? lmao
They already did.

>>137270638
Both. He's like Putin. Hungary's stagnant like Russia but pretty traditional.

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>>137270638
God i hope hungary and the rest of the v4 countries unite together soon! Orban might be corrupt but at least hes not cucked like the other EU politicians in power!

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>>137274477
Aren't gypsies near nigger-tier bad though?

>>137272146
he is american, eastern european subhuman

>>137276919
>having "masters" or not having them means absolutely nothing.

Well you should know, US is and has always been the jew's little bitch, but no offense.
Not that I prefer jews a lot more then niggers or arabs, but it is still better to live under jewish control, then being destroyed by nigger and arab 'culture.'

>>137276938

oki dokiiiii, im shilling.

Let's say Hungary takes 0 migrants. You know what the next step is? Your country gets kicked out of EU, no chance at Shengen, no chance at euro inclusion, no gibs, no european trade union/deals, total economic annihilation, and you basically give your anus to Russia because you're less important to protect now.

As I said to the polish guy, I love your country and culture. But the political shit you guys are fking up on a bit. But i can see why you're doing it. All I fear is someone else is pulling the strings so u fall into a russian trap.

>>137270901
/thread

>>137276552
>no more GIBS ME $$

Hungary is actually one of the lower side of recipients.

Gets 5,6 billion and pays a billion into the EU.


The real money grabber are the poles with 13,3 billion gibs and only 3,7 billion payment.

>>137277570
You may not be shilling, but you are a faggot

>>137277275
Looks awesome, a very touching birthday card.

>>137277179
If you were interested in geniuine discussion you would take into consideration that what matters is not just the current state of affairs but also the way everyone is heading. Central Europe has been doing better since the fall of communism while the West is doing worse and now they're flirting with socialism.

>>137277431
They are basically niggers minus murders. Also, there are some succesful niggers but there are no succesful gypsies. Hard to tell if it makes them better or worse overall.

>>137277561

Honestly, the whole jew thing is a bit crazy. Sure they control a lot of things, but you can't just go on your own and say fuck the jews, fuck europe, fuck the eu etc WITHOUT making plans first. It seems like you guys dived right into it, and if you keep denying the migrants, you're gonna get kicked outa the EU, which means suicide by Russia.

This is the true jewish trap.

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>>137277647

In eastern EU, #1 gibs is Poland, #2 is Hungary.

pic related.

"lower side of recipients"

>>137277935
>be Hungary
>be a country that has been run over by the Russians 3 times (1848, 1944/45, 1956)
>learn from it and try being realistic about them

The Russia connection is overhyped. We aren't living on an island somewhere in the Atlantic, but right next door to Russia/Russian sphere of influence. The realpolitik for us is: as long as the Russians aren't occupying us, try being friendly to them.

>>137277570
>no chance at Shengen

Its dead anyway in its current form.

Also you dont need to be part of the EU to participate in the EEA.
Shit you can even be part without joining the EEA, just look at Switzerland.

And only being part of the EEA means the EU cant tell you shit on how much rapies you have to take.

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>>137277935
>and if you keep denying the migrants, you're gonna get kicked outa the EU, which means suicide by Russia.

I don't know, dude, russians (white christians) or niggers/arabs (murderous savages)? I'd rather go with Russia. At least Putin is a MAN unlike manchild Trump or any of the western leaders.

Caption: "If you don't accept muslims, you will be punished!" This fucking says all.

>>137278356
So we are not even the biggest pit hole on the EU budget.

>>137272545
lol, subhuman eastern european, you think all westerners are gypsies in disguise? fuck off , animal

>>137278356
>2nd
>clearly shows Greece is before ungary

>>137277810
what does it say?

>>137272545
hungarian tourist in america

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>>137277813

Ah yes, western EU has been doing horrible...lol. So horrible that they're leaders of European economics, and their GDP increases by a % every single year for the past 20 years as average.

Pic related.

>West is doing worse
West is succeeding. East is succeeding, but less.

They're flirting with socialism, you guys flirt with nationalism.

>>137273490
fuck off , subhuman, hungarians are faggots

>>137272545
nagyon jo hungarian bro! :)

>>137278410

EU created out of fear for russia.

> Russia connection is overhyped
Crimea invaded in 2013. Half of Ukraine is basically Novorussia at this point. Proxy war with America in Syria on 5 fronts. The fuck are you saying overhyped lmao

>>137278815
At this point many of US in the thread have no clue if we need to take you serious anymore.

>>137274322
because fidesz is in the European People Party and PiS is not

>>137279048
>EU created out of fear for russia.

no, it was created out of the fear for a 4th reich (which it is basically now anyway)

>>137278815
Yeah having GDP growth by letting shitskins and leftists burning down cities and later rebuilding by white german slaves it is a great way of boosting your economy. Totally worth the rapes, murders and the loss of national future.
This is your last (you), faggot

>>137278356
>tfw we're literally not getting shit but we're still implementing all the laws and other crap

>>137279048
Fear of russia is part of the Great game. It's a bullshit fantasy that, barring stalinist communism (inflicted by the west) is at the root of the EU's pile of stupid

>>137278547

I'm eastern european living in the us. I know why you don't want the refugees, and I agree that people have a right to say no.

I wasn't asking you or commanding you to take them. I was simply saying this is what WILL happen if Hungary doesn't take them.

I hate refugees too, but I fear eastern eu is just a pawn for Russians/Americans/Brussels.

>>137279244
>solidarity
welcome to the catchphrase every EU politician will spout when asked about this

>>137276642
800 euros vs. 500 euros. 2 shitholes

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>>137279230

Sorry wrong graph, pic related now.

>>137279244

Amount of GIBS is calculated out of 2 things: dependancy on EU, and willingness to contribute. Croatia is doing okay with tourism alone, so they don't want to contribute. This gives them a very low GIBS rate. The implementation will make your country keep in line with continuing being "1st world". Croatia in the EU will be better in 50 years than Croatia without EU.

>>137278716
It was written by someone who isn't a fluent first language speaker, ie. a diaspora speaker of Hungarian, so some parts aren't clear, but the overall message can be understood.

>Dear Granny, wish you a happy 90th birthday. We hope that your fantastic life has been going on nicely. How many other stories you have told us [about] traveling [to/in] Hungary, Germany, to Australia. We always love to hear your wisdom and your interesting humor. We thank you so much for your endless heart, your huge love,
>from your big family [name of the sender]

>>137279230

I'm not hoarding replies, friend. Refugee damages are 100% the fault of tolerance towards their actions, rather than having them in the country in the first place.

Let's say 50k refugees come to Poland. They start a few fires, and bam 20 arabs get killed by Polish mobs because Eastern Eu is less tolerant than west.

30k refugees leave, 20k stay, and don't cause trouble because they're risking death.

Eastern Eu is not Germany. Germany gets fucked not by the number of refugees, but by their tolerance to crime.

>>137279872
I don't know what's the big deal here. We are Poland tier. You can't expect a communist run planned agrarian economy to turn into Netherlands tier social market economy overnight. I admit that Slovakia made better decisions over the last 10-15 years, but don't forget that they made the good economic decisions when Medgyessy and Gyurcsány were dreaming about some social democracy rabbish. Slovaks cut taxes and welfare, and established themselves as an eastern European car manufacturing hub. Still, their unemployment figures have been constantly worse.

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>>137279324
>I was simply saying this is what WILL happen if Hungary doesn't take them.

Dude, who can they force us to take them, huh?
Will they send in their army? LEL, don't be ridiculous. Economic pressure? LEL again, we were very much capable of living without EU money before we joined, we can do so again.

You really overestimate Brussels' power, just look at their pathetic display of incompetence in the past 3 years. They couldn't fight their way out of a cardboard box, let alone force a country to bend over.
Besides, Orban knows full well that if he agrees to take in shitskins, then his political future is as good as dead and he is not stupid.

>>137280307
>Eastern Eu is not Germany. Germany gets fucked not by the number of refugees, but by their tolerance to crime.

you are retarded if you think crime is the only factor.

When you take in a million people from which 95% are not even qualified for the lowest of the lowest work they don't need to be criminals to damage the host country.

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>>137274644
>>137276069
Pretty much this. As someone who's actually lived in Hungary for a while it's pretty funny to see the praise it gets. It's great when you're from the west and have money and can pay for just about anything. Drive 30 minutes outside the cities and you'll see how shitty the lives of the ones with no money or influence. It's honestly sad.

I get it though. You don't want the refugees and you like giving EU the finger, but man is is it a convenient deflection for Orbán when you are getting raped by the corrupt elite.

>>137280574

Not saying Hungary is a shithole like Africa or anything, because a European shithole is made of gold compared to the rest of the world, lol.

But face it, Eastern Europe, all countries are pretty much the same.

The diff between GDP per capita in Hungary/Romania/Poland/Croatia /Serbia/Bulgaria is literally 0-5000 $

Do you truly think 5K USD or Euro means anything? Look at the diff between Switzerland and Germany and France and UK. We're talking 20k-60k here, which is still almost 10x what someone is making in Bulgaria and 5x hungary.

My point is, the differences between Eastern EU countries are MINIMAL at best.

The differences between Eastern EU and Western EU are HUGE. Being Poland Tier means absolutely nothing when compared to Europe as a whole. I hope you don't see this as an insult, it's just reality.

>>137281399
Plz. Do you actually understand what it means to have 70+ years of market economy in a pre-WWII already industrialized country and a small pre-WWII agrarian country that only has had 25+ years of market economy and started out with a miserable infrastructure and got sold out by post-commies to foreign investors for literally pennies.

If you can't understand this, then there is no point in "Muh Germany is 40k+ GDP, Hungary is only 10k, what a shit hole hurr durr!"

Who the fuck said we aren't aware of these differences?

>>137280578

>Will they send in their army

Economic sanctions, budgetary destruction. Way worse than sending in the Army, which is impossible in EU btw.

> Economic pressure? LEL
Ok so let's disregard Greece, the literal slaves of Europe right now.

>we were very much capable of living without EU money before
Zimbabwe is capable of living without money if they just eat grass, but thriving in the global economy?

>really overestimate Brussels' power
Power, no I'm not underestimating, Greece keeled to their knees. Incompetence? Yes.

Orban is just doing his own power-plays right now, further stonewalling of Brussels WILL get you guys fucked. I hate this as well, but it WILL happen. This is certainty, not a threat or being mean.

>>137270638
both

>>137281815

Germany was bombed out of existance. How do you explain Eastern Germany? They started at 0. But yes, communism did have an effect on Eastern EU more than west - literally anal rape.

EU laws/regulations implementations put Hungary on the way to becoming Germany by 2050 whether you like it or not.

The point wasn't being aware of the differences, it was being aware of the beneficial relationship with EU being more important than a thousand shitty refugees that end up going back either way.

>>137281947
>Ok so let's disregard Greece, the literal slaves of Europe right now.

learn the history of greece, especial the financial one.

They where never ft to join the euro, they where corrupt to the bones, even more then any post commie eastern block country.

Thats why they are basally now to the germans, since germans sunk billions into greece to keep the image afloat its not a shit tier country, worst then eastern ones.

>>137282383
How do I explain East Germany? Are you fucking aware that they have been subsidized HEAVILY by West German provinces for over 25 years now? We have never had a donor country, there was no West Hungary sending us huge checks with hundreds of billions of D-Mark on it. Every single fucking person in a West German workplace pays every month Solidaritätssteuer to finance East German. And that money is not like EU pennies sent to Hungary or Poland, it's a whole different tier.

Plz kys, you are a jerk.

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>Orbán protected the country

pic related

>>137282784

East Germany must be compared to other Western EU countries, because they are western. I get what you're saying, but I don't understand why you're angry at the facts.

The only choices here are:
1. Choose to refuse migrants = kicked outa EU/schengen = economic destruction at low cultural impact

2. Accept refugees for a couple of years, they end up mostly leaving, few remain when the welfare is cut = 0 economic disadvantage, very low cultural effect as this is Eastern EU, still in Schengen, still in EU, not raped by Russia, still on track to becoming like western EU by 2050.

One option is shitty, one is good. Which do you want? I'm not a jerk, im a realist, and reality sucks fucking dick. Im eastern european, do you not think i want hungary to succeed as well? the fk.

>>137283314
Idiot, every country has a similar program. It's not supporting mass immigration. If you can't tell the difference, you are wasting your time here.

>>137282383
>How do you explain Eastern Germany?

East germany is still vastly underdeveloped compered to west germany, they sill get huge subsidies from the western federal states and the dept accumulated is still not payed of since the reunion.

Their industry and companies where also victim of cronies, where the ex DDR elites sold of good companies to western investors for peanuts.

The worst average salary in a west German federal stats is 15% better than the best average salary in a east German federal state.

>>137283486
>angry at facts

I'm angry at someone who doesn't get that you can't compare us to countries that have had better growth circumstances in the last 25 years.

You are shilling here with your "But russia", "But the EU kicks Hungary out", but "muh East Germany is better" and you can't even get your facts correct. Go waste someone else's time.

>>137274644
Yeah, poland is poor. They just do not want to get their cunt get more shit and poor. Or more like their politics actually listens the people

>>137282784
>And that money is not like EU pennies sent to Hungary or Poland, it's a whole different tier.

indeed, estimates range from 1,6-2 billion euros from 1990 to 2014

>>137272854
>It's pretty well known that Hungary has a massive braindrain problem

People who have been taught to think the 'correct way' in leftist-run universities are leaving the country.

I don't see how that's a bad thing.

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>>137284065
Based.

>>137283759

Orban will give in within next 3 months because of EU sanctions and ultimatums. But alrighty.

>>137284065
Every single ruling economic superpower mostly disregards what it's people say. Mostly because people are stupid and make selfish decisions.

And we're talking about self-made money, not Saudi-Arabia petrol money rich.

>>137273356

He's doing great for Hungary and this is why people from Western Europe like me want to live in your country. Also, your food and women are beautiful. Hungarians know what Muslims are about and don't take no shit. Orban is based as fuck. He will only be stopped if he's killed off.

>>137270638
He's a great leader.The "corrupt" oligarchs are there to purchase stuff in neighbouring countries and pour the money into hungary.

and sorry but your dad's gf is a dumb golddigger whore

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>>137270638
>Can someone redpill me on Viktor Orbán?

I have some reservations about him because he thought it was a good idea to tax internet use

>>137284949
But i mean that politicians in poland and hungary and in some other cunts they actually listens their people about refugee shit. Unironically no one in europe wants them in, but still our cucked leaders let them in and deny everything shit what these refugees commit. Its just crazy

>>137285482

Leaving all memes aside, Viktor Orban is right wing, pro-Russia, anti-EU-elites, pro-nationalism, anti-refugees, pro-EU-gibs, conservative on most fronts.

Basically, he rules over 10m people, and asks for a lot of stuff, in return for nothing, but also for extra good relations with the enemy of europe, Russia.

Definition of Please give me more cake, but this time with a cherry on top, also I'm not paying, nor caring.

>>137286057
>Enemy of europe
>russia
No, just take a look nordstream. You guys are the problem

>>137285844

The problem is that Hungary has to take this decision by itself, and it will bring forth the demise of said country for doing so. This is textbook failure by Brussels, because such a small country shouldn't be forced to commit suicide to prevent refugees changing their culture.

The problem used to be America being the World Police, now the problem is Europe being the World Free Apartment

>>137286057
western europe benefits a shitlot from the EU, the real losers are the meds

>>137286381

I'm eastern European, as previously stated. Russia completely enslaved eastern eu, and fucked up it's economy so badly, it's satellites still haven't recovered.

They annexed Crimea, and created Novorussia, while waging the war of subterfuge against the west (arguably more damaging than any war since it caused ANTIFA and BLM to exist).

My grandparents and their parents had to give their livestock to the government and to the Russians, on separate occasions, due to communistic redistribution.

My grandfather had to secretly kidnap one of his own sheep, kill it in the middle of the night, take as much meat as he could carry (one leg), and hide it in the dirt behind his house, while risking being shot by communist patrols for refusing to redistribute. He did this so his 3 children didn't starve, and they ate rotten cow meat for two months to stay alive, boiling grass , worms, leaves, and crickets to supplement their diet.

But yes, tell me more about how Russia isn't the enemy.

>>137283550
>implying

It's alright that you are patriot and you want a proper leader. But he is not one. All he did is the classic Eastern European cronyism with oligarchs and all that jazz. This country lives on German resources and this is the only thing changes us from Albania. You can lie to everyone and to yourself that we live like Western Europeans but if that's the case why did ~800k Hungarians left the country?

>>137287493
>>>index.hu

>>137270638
We like him.