>born male >identify as male >suddenly begin to grow

Why not become masculine but have tits at the same time. You wouldn't need to touch someones boobs.

>>136990788
I read a hentai the other day where a guy turned into a loli. Tgen he got raped.
I wish I could become a little girl, it would be great.

>>136990933
Your saying you'd be okay as a person who identifies as male to walk around with a pair of huge tits?

Wow.

>itt: things that never happened
Unless you fell into a chemical bath and mutated...

>>136991133
>I won't confront hypothetical scenarios that might make me reevaluate my worldview

I'll just go tell everyone that Plato is a fraud and the allegory of the cave is useless. I'll be right back.

>>136990788
>this
>be qt boy and life is great
>start growing hair everywhere
>uncontrollable hornyness
>bones masculinize
>skin turns rough
>see an ugly hairy man in the mirror and you hate that and there's nothing you hate more than that but you can't do anything about it and it feels like it's tearing you apart from the inside out
not a good feeling for anyone. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

>>136990788
Isn't being a tranny just so white betas can play victim with the toxic liberalism crowds

>>136990788
Because it makes no sense to treat a mental problem by altering the body...

>>136991133
this actually DOES happen tomsome small part of ethnic group in Latin America, I forgot where. Some kind of genetic condition that appears in teens

>>136991133
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/the-astonishing-village-where-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-1/

>>136990788
What you stated has never happened in the history of mankind nor will it ever happen unless humanity gets tech that seems to be on reality warping levels. People with gender dysmorphia are just mentally ill and needs to be executed.

>>136991728

Guevedoces.

>>136990788
Personally I have no problem with it itself. However, I do have a problem with the rhetoric around it being pushed by the left, jews and hollycuck and not the medical professional community. Now fuck off faggot.

>>136991635
You say this as if you have the interests of trans people at heart. What standing do you have in society that makes you compelled to dictate the mental health treatment of those suffering with gender dysphoria?

>>136991075
> Your saying
Spotted the muzzie

>>136992006
You can refer to this >>136991331

People have been using metaphors for centuries to explain complicated situations in a relatable manner.

Stop being so scared to empathise, anon. Your level of projection is alarming

>>136990788
You just need more testosterone you retarded paki

>>136991928
WTF is this real

this is like some lizard regrowing its limb tier mutant shit

>>136992018
Seems like your point of view is more a response to a point of view you disagree with rather than an independent one.

>Now fuck off faggot
Easy there buddy. Daddy's not gonna hurt you here you can ease with the obvious sexual issues you have.

Wow /pol/. I thought I'd find at least one person here would be able to argue about this for longer than one post.

Don't tell me you're all massive frauds? Surely not?

>>136990788
this is my fetish

>>136992521
>>Now fuck off faggot
>Responds with more words

You truly are a hyper faggot.

>>136992507
More like amphibian tier. That's how the Dino's in the first jurassic park movie were switching sexes

>>136993112
Oh wow. Super defensive and I wasn't even talking to you! Did I touch a nerve? Are you gonna say faggot again now?

>>136993112
>>136993503
I support his post 100% you gigantic homo.

>>136990788
It would be a horrific experience and devastating to the afflicted individual. You are equating the experience in your analogy with Gender Dismorphia. It's an interesting analogy, granted, but it's not exactly the same. The guy in the analogy was a man, was exposed to prenatal testosterone which leads the behaviourisms which shape his experiences as a man. The male experience. A woman who "identifies as a man" has no frame-work to know what constitutes the male experience. How would she know her persuits were healthy and not a warped expression? A fakery of something you can't know.

>>136990788
>Bob has bitch tits.

>>136993503
You got me. Foaming at the mouth. Nice one buddo.

>>136994050
>>136994365
>called him a faggot
>better stick around in the thread he made

>>136990788
>be female
>bleed from your no-no place once a month
>menstrual cramps
>excrutiatingly painful child birth
>no muscle mass
>midget-tier height
I have a hard time believing guys want to be genuine biological women.

>>136994669
I also replied concering your analogy.
That has nothing to do with your faggotry.

>>136994087
In this argument you're stating that all those that suffer with gender dismorphia are suffering really with a "warped expression". I don't quite know what you mean by this. That the desire to switch gender is delusional?

While I certainly understand the argument for treating gender dismorphia as a mental illness, and can certainly understand thinking along the lines that those that have no biological or hormonal incentive to identify as a man. But honestly I'm just not sure to what degree this is relevant to the daily trans bashing that goes on on this site. What conclusions should be drawn from this? Should all those suffering be shuttled into rehabilitation camps? Much like gay conversion camps? Should we look to form a drug that can reverse these delusions?

Or should policy decisions regarding a very small portion of the population be left to professionals? Should we as a society recognise that a desire to remove your genitalia and be disgusted in your own skin, under any definition, something we should sympathise with and accommodate?

0.3% of the population identify as transgender. That's it. Why is it so important that their condition be highly stigmatised and their concerns delegitimised?

>>136994955
Yeah didn't realise the reply was you. Sorry.

>>136992247
And your level of degeneracy should be wiped out with fire and fury the world has never seen before.

>>136994087
>It's an interesting analogy, granted, but it's not exactly the same

And it wan't meant to be the same. It was meant to help people relate to the idea of being disgusted with your own body, to feel a disconnect between your physical and mental identity.

Which is very much in line with many of the emotions transgender people feel pre-transition.

>>136995848
Someone sounds lonely. Need a friend anon?

>>136990788
Fuck off with your hentai transformation shit

>>136995501
To clarify, the warped expression is reffering to the expression of their desired gender.

On the subject of how much I care what someones does on their own volition?, not much, I am very liberal in this regard. So no, no transrehab camps on my account. I am merely personally very doubtful about the effiacy of transitioning. I have a niche who is very boyish, I'd hate to see her harmed for something which might be a phase. irreperable damage which are caused by hormone blockers, I have seen self identified 13-14 year old teenagers express their worry about the "Posion" "Damaging" their bodies. And parts of the trans-community cheering them on.
My position is the following.
Policy should be liberal to allow adults to do whatever they please, don't influence children.

>>136996080
It did to some extend, I found it rather interesting.

>>136997196
Niece*

>>136991928
>The rare genetic disorder
OP
If you are arguing that trannies have a rare genetic disorder. That's fine, but let's admit it's a disorder and there are only two sexes

If you are saying that being a tyranny is comparable to an actual genetic disorder, you are fucking retarded.

>>136996080
People are crazy. Instead of capitulating to their insanity how about we think of ways to reduce their delusion.

>>136990788

It wouldn't worry me in the least you stupid tranny.

KYS.

Holy fuck. Who gives a shit about any of this. Just be trans and fuck off. Stop being so militant and obnoxious. Do what you need to do with your own life, stop trying to mold the way people think, stop trying to punish people for not agreeing with or accepting you. You people are so good at driving people away from you.

>>136991075
>>136990933
I wouldn't mind being Bailey Jay and live off of porn money. Flag unrelated.

>>136990788

Death to all you queers.

>>136998063
Agreed. You can be whatever you want. Chop your head off for all I care but I don't have to like you, I don't have to treat you with respect and I don't have to approve of your twisted view of your sexuality.

>>136990933
This is the only reason uber-betas become trannies: because it's the only way they'll ever touch tits or pussy.

>>136997253
That's good to hear

>>136997196
Honestly I wouldn't disagree with you. I'd maybe say 16 at the lowest and only in extreme circumstances. I'd feel more comfortable having it be dealt with on a case to case basis (however I'm also aware this will inevitably lead to certain doctors being overly lenient). But again I wouldn't have a problem with a blanket 18 and over approach to transitioning either.


I guess my main problem, on this board in particular, is that there seems to be next to no sympathy with the emotional distress that goes on. Not that sympathy should be high up on the expectations of a place like /pol/, it's never been sympathetic to mainstream liberal causes, but it's becoming an increasingly large point of view and for me anyway as a straight guy the analogy I initially posted got me to open my eyes to just how bad it must be inside their own heads and instantly felt more empathetic.

What shook me the most though is how I started viewing pro-trans literature, comments and posts in a totally different light. It went from me getting my back up and being almost conspiratorial about it, to realising that these people are just sympathetic, and maybe they take that sympathy too far in an effort to over correct from degree of hatred that exists against transgender people but I don't think they're bad people or wrong for doing so.

>>136990788
Yeah, it'd suck pretty hard if it weren't an imaginary disease made up by attention whores and virtue signalers

>>136990788
One is fiction. Sd is a mental illness.

>>136990788
Joke's on you bud. That's my fetish.

>>136998494

>I guess my main problem, on this board in particular, is that there seems to be next to no sympathy with the emotional distress that goes on.

I have sympathy for people facing real problems, not for delusional faggots who want to dress up like a pretty princess and get a neovagina installed on the taxpayer dime.

>>136991728
The only thing that happens there is some boys grow tits (a condition known as gynecomastia). Their genitals don't actually change, since those are determined at birth by chromosomes.

>>>/d/

>>136998304
>>136998063
>>136997903
You all miss the point. The point is to get you to sympathise with people who are marginalised to a great deal by the vast majority of this board, and so that maybe instead of saying "fuck off I think you're twisted", you go "I sympathise we should accommodate where we can, but please leave me out of it"

>>136998015
>>136998262


See like you can't look at these guys posts and tell me that simply saying leave me out of it is enough. You're just as bad as then by staying silent and washing your hands of it. You have more in common with the people saying transgender people should kill themselves than those trying to make a change and get people to stop treating those with a mental illness fairly.

Disclaimer: I'm not even a tranny or gay. I'm a straight dude. It's funny you assumed I was a transgendered person though. Seems like maybe you don't mind all this identity politics. Makes things very simple for idiots who are scared if complexity.

>>136991728
There is also people who have a Y chromosome but have a vagina. Genetically they are male but they act, live and fuck like women. Biology is so fucking weird

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>>136999215
>You have more in common with the people saying transgender people should kill themselves


no shit, idiot. maybe you should neck yourself too, pathetic poof apologist.

>>136998848
So even if you think they're delusional then you're implying it's a mental illness. Why is it that you think mental illness in this particular case isn't worth sympathy? Like you haven't even got to do anything other than not be a dick.

>>136999457

because when a schizophrenic has delusions that he is Jesus reborn, we don't all bow down to him and become his disciples. We don't indulge the delusions of the mentally ill, that's just stoking the fire. And post op trannies still kill themselves at remarkable rates, so transitioning seems to be a pretty shit solution overall

>>136990788
If there was no way to reverse it, I would kill myself, plain and simple.

>>136999414
When you can get through a sentence without being angry at gay people maybe I'll start taking you seriously, but until then I'm going to assume that you have some HEAVY duty emotional and sexual issues regarding how much you wish to chow down on cock.

It's usually daddy issues with you closeted folks right? How's ol' pa doing over there in hicksville, GA?

>>136998304
>Murica best country evar
You can do whatever you want with your body and I can want you to suicide at the earliest possible moment.

>>136990788
This is what awaits all trannies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mS7smh65Y

>>136991363
>>136991363
I hate testosterone desu

now I have female levels so I don't have to deal with horniness, my body hair grows way slower and my skin is much much softer
in general my skin is so much better, estrogen made me look younger and sometimes my skin looks like it's glowing

so so nice honestly

>>136999711

Oh, it's the old "only closeted faggots hate faggots" card. Guess you got me there, I've been checkmated. Better get back to fapping to traps.

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at least I'd get to see a girl naked

>>136999662
Right but you still say that those suffering with schizophrenia have an issue and we will accommodate and work to find a solution for you people.

I absolutely agree that transitioning isn't always the true answer. Sometimes it's not enough, suicide still occurs. But I think it's simplistic because in an ideal world there would be sympathy from day one and no one would feel bad about saying they think they might be transgendered. There's no shame or anxiety or guilt to deal with every second of the day for well at least a couple decades before finally transitioning. The depression may never go away in some people.

I mean even you told me, who simply sympathises, to neck myself. Trans people get that all time on top of having to deal with the mental illness regarding being in the wrong body.

>>136999215
I don't owe anyone a gram of sympathy. fuck off ya pansy brit.

>>136999873
Nice. You wear panties and cute little dresses? Do you fantasize with a rough man full of testosterone to come and have his way with you? After any military field training I have the urge to fuck anything soft and feminine looking

>>137000204
you should kys not because you sympathise with a tranny but because you are a giant faggot.

>>136999711
How about this. If you keep this shit up, people will start hating your twisted community. I used to have sympathy for you, now I'm beyond annoyed. Fuck off, live your life, and stop begging the media and government to give you special privileges.

>>137000204

>I mean even you told me, who simply sympathises, to neck myself

Are you even aware of what website you're on? Sensitive little guy, aren't you? I don't care about the struggles that faggots go through, there are so many people facing real issues that deserve my sympathy more than some deranged little queer who would probably call me a fascist and have me strung up if they could

>>136991025
hahaha

>>136990788
>With this in mind why do you have such a problem with those suffering with gender dysmorphia?
Because then you would be a parrot fish and not a human, therefore fuck you.

>>136990788
time for a mirror over your bed!

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>>136999873
Congrats! It really is magical.

>>136990788
This literally does not happen though
Stop trying to defend mental illness with fake scenarios.
IF men or women spontaneously started changing sex THEN your argument might be worth discussing, but no such thing happens

>>136990788
I try not to bother with those people that exist in fantasy land.

>>137000486
Does being called a fascist hurt you? Is your hatred coming from a defensive position?

>>137000427
Wow, this is super interesting and actually what I was kind of hoping for. I've often thought that the growing extremism within our culture is not a natural affinity to the ideas of the group one associates with, but rather a response to a group it considers poisonous. Literally in one post you did exactly that. You let me, one person on the other side of the planet who is being intentionally inflammatory, make you doubt a much broader belief you have.

It's absolutely nuts how this can affect people's opinions. How the views of one can be seen as as important the views of many just by triggering a direct emotional response. How that one person can almost be used as a legitimate straw man for building more extreme views. Slowly and slowly exposure to what is essentially an a fringe belief can cause one to slip into extremist views over time.

I'm convinced the exact same is happened on the left too. It's just a big race away from each other.

>>137001219
>>137001368

It's a metaphor buddy. Look 'em up. They're super useful.

>>136992048
what standing do you have in society to dictate that everyone treat a mental condition as normal?

>>137001524

>Does being called a fascist hurt you?

It pisses me off when some limp-wristed fag manlet shrieks in my face that I'm literally a nazi fascist for supporting Trump, which is a scenario that played out countless times this last election cycle in various permutations.

>>136990788
You were never born male you retard. You just reinvented your childhood after being brainwashed and have overlayed fictional non-existent feelings over your past.

>>136998494
why should we be sympathetic? they have a MENTAL disorder and refuse to acknowledge it. Not our problem.

>>136992048
My money, and my right to say fuck off.

>>136999215
my sympathy extends to the point of telling them they have mental issues, something their family and doctors won't do because that would me mean. Fuck all of them.

>>136990788
>>feel completely dejected and humiliated
You know whats completely pathological about your covert fetish thread?

>>136990788
Your self proclaimed master stroke in mental allegory only has one purpose. You invoke sympathy for a group by creating a extreme scenario, a scenario which unlike reality sees the physical state of the person in flux rather than mental side.
It does nothing to address the best course of action or treatment.
Most people are sick of seeing progressive sjw cram the idea that just because someone has a mental illness and wants to do something we as a society should entertain or at worse publicly fund these delusions.
>be normal law respecting citizen
>small devil infiltrates brain
>forces me to comit horrible acts of murder and rape
Don't you feel sorry for physcopaths now /pol.. ? Checkmate

>>137001641
two genders buddy, Look'em up.

>>137000378
I don't want to ERP but ye
masculinity and strength are very attractive to me

>>136990933
Haha yeah and you could let your buddies touch them too or even tit fuck you I mean whats the odd titjob between friends amirite

>>136990788
But transitioning hardly reduces the massive suicide rate, so why should my money be wasted on glorified cosmetic surgery?

>>137001751
Did you read the second part of my post? What did you think of that part?

>>137002091
>>137002252
>>137002278
I think you all confused "not my problem, I don't care" with "I hate these people and have strong views about them".

Is there a reason the lifestyle choices of a group of people that represent just 0.3% of the population generates such strong emotional views from you all? What is it about transgendered people that trigger you to such a degree? Is it the idea of someone that people wish to change genders? Or is it that you associate those people with a broader group or idea that you consider insidious?

>>137002391
I literally can't find a place where I mentioned anything that said otherwise. Male to Female or Female to Male transition. Still two genders.

Start to read and think independently instead of just parroting ideas you're used to seeing linked together in the past.

>>137002651
hormones are super cheap, everything is available in generics

>>137002851

>Did you read the second part of my post? What did you think of that part?

Unfortunately I did. What a load of incoherent nonsense. Something about strawmen, blah blah blah. Nobody cares. I'm tired of being inundated with faggotry in media, government, education, even the workplace (you might recall recent controversy over the military subsidizing sex change operations for trannies, before trump banned them. At the college I went to, sex-change operations were even included in the student health insurance plan). I'm ready for fags and fag sympathizers to all get a nice heavy dose of AIDS.

>>137003220
Yeh but NHS is cucked so everyone just goes there, meaning the tax payer foots the bill.

>>137002651
The massive suicide rate could very well also be linked to the extreme stigma that transgendered people face. There are plenty of people in this thread that would happily see them all shot and killed. It shouldn't come to a surprise that the mental toll that leaves doesn't disappear with transitioning. People often continue to face a high degree of stigma from family and friends well after surgery and hormone therapy.

That's why it's important for people to be at the very least sympathetic.

>>137003429
A single morbidly obese person costs more in a month than 100 trannies do in a year.

>>137003517
A 40+% suicide rate cannot be attributed to social stigma and to suggest that is blatantly ignorant.

Because it's a mental illness that if submitted to will prevent reproduction, further lowering birth rate. And it is possible not to submit to it. I should know.

>>137003517
>be sympathetic
>to your own bullshit choices
eat a dick nigger.

>>137003541
That is a separate problem as they cannot pay for that themselves.

>>137003517

>The massive suicide rate could very well also be linked to the extreme stigma that transgendered people face

Then why weren't niggers killing themselves in droves during the Jim Crow era? Surely they were more oppressed and stigmatized by society-at-large than gays are today, and fags STILL kill themselves at outrageous rates even when the mainstream media and politicians are basically portraying them as gods.

Could it maybe have something to do with the comorbidity between homosexuality and depression/anxiety? Could these people be simply fucked in the head? Or do they only kill themselves because people on the internet call them mean names?

>>137003699
repression doesn't work anon

I feel for them, and I don't have a problem with trans people.

I have a problem with

>giving puberty blockers to children
>giving srs to children
>24/7 propaganda for a tiny minority of the population
>being thought of as transphobic for not wanting to date/fuck a tranny

I'll indulge their delusion if it makes them feel more comfortable in society, refer to them as a women, etc. But I won't be cowed into being ashamed of my heterosexuality and the inescapable fact that genitals matter when it comes to sexual orientation.

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>>137003298
>American education

MERICA FUCK YEAH! CAN'T READ WON'T READ WOOOO WOOOO

>>137003517
>Being marginalised leads to suicide
Why do trans do it more than Africans?

>>136990788
it's neat how the only other situation you can think of that involves trannies being a real thing involves magic too

>>136990788
your greentext self insert puts you in the place of a victim but assuming you transition and "suddenly grow boobs" you fucking did it to yourself with HRT. so fuck their special problems and fuck you.

>>137003878
Oh, and an open wound pseudovagina is not a vagina. I will never accept this.

>>137003776
I'm just saying for the state healthcare to pay for a medication that prevents crazy people from going insane and killing themselves and keeps them relativity normal is a no brainer.

>>137003902

>CAN'T READ WON'T READ

I clearly stated that I read it. Not my fault you can't form a reasonable and coherent argument. Better luck next time, faglord.

>>137003903
not having strong family ties is a big factor in suicide
if a trans person has a supportive family, they are much less likely to kill themselves

>>137004006
But it doesn't stop them from killing themselves as I have already stated.

>>137003871
>>137003903
Because no one's kicked out and abandoned by their family because they're black. Often times those who are trans or gay are disowned and have their main support network breakdown. I guarantee in situations where those transitioned also lived in a supportive home environment the suicide rate would be much, much lower.

>>137003878
cuck

No compromise, no remorse.

society is being poisoned by these people with (((them))) pushing for it

>>137004114
But it does. Hormones massively reduce suicide risk. If they're actually supported they can recover from the gender dysphoria really well and live a happy life.
The problem is that it just sucks to be trans. They'll always have a higher suicide rate than cis people. It's just how it is.

>>137004532
MtF Trans: 45% to 40%
FtM Trans: 46% to 46%
As per Williams UCLA Study 2014

Try again cuck

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>>137004036
You didn't leave an argument to argue against. Something about being inundated with faggotry and wanting people to get AIDS. What am I arguing against here?

>>137004330
>Because no one's kicked out and abandoned by their family because they're black

Shifting the goalposts a little, are we? First you said trannies kill themselves due to the stigma against them in our culture and society. Now you're saying it's more due to a bad home environment specifically.

Do you even have any empirical evidence to back up the shit you're saying? We know that postop trannies kill themselves at a flabbergasting rate. How many of them are in unsupportive homes after they've transitioned? Not many, I would imagine. Do you have facts or data to suggest otherwise?

>>137004330
I agree here, the suicide rate rockets to 60+% when housing issues come into factor, but the base rate is still 40+%.

Try again.

>>137004330
Yet American blacks have high single motherhood. Africa has been plagued by civil war for ages.. so yes people have been kicked out of home cause they are from the wrong ethnic group.
Fact is it's a mental issue and the sooner we treat it as such and stop pushing the progressive narrative that physical surgery is the answer the better

>>137003871
>>137003903
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/08/transgender-survey-suicide-poverty-unemployment-mental-health

>>137004935
And here's the archive
https://unvis.it/theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/08/transgender-survey-suicide-poverty-unemployment-mental-health

>>137004755

I'm talking about your original argument, you dunce. The one that you asked me if I'd read. It was a bunch of word salad, you didn't make any coherent logical point supported by data. You just said that strawmen arguments are driving people to extremism, basically. I'd argue that being overexposed to faggotry in media, culture, film, education, government etc might be driving more people to extremism than strawmen they read on the internet

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>>136990788
>>suddenly begin to grow boobs
>>after a few weeks have fully grown DD breasts
>>have to go bra shopping with a female friends
>>feel completely dejected and humiliated
>>shortly after my features become more feminine
>>hips widen, stomach round and soft
>>look so feminine that now I just look like a lesbian
>>dick slowly morphs into vagina

>>137004781
the stigma ingrained in our culture and society is what causes people to disown trans family members you dummy
its the same thing

>>137004682
Those are the numbers for those that try to commit suicide at any point in their life. It doesn't give you any information about the effectiveness of transitioning. I tried to kill myself so I'm considered in that but I'm very happy now and don't want to die. Statistics can be very very misleading and trusting them at face value is retarded.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

>>137003873
Then explain how I am neither dead nor chopping off my cock.

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>>136990788
>Born male
>Identify as male
>Mommy and Daddy get a divorce
>Watching drag race with Mommy and her boyfriend who touches me sometimes
>Decide to play with mommy's clothes and makeup
>She catches me, tells me that I'm a "transgender"
>Gets me a prescription for hormone blockers so I never hit puberty
>Forces me to go to school dressed like a girl
>Posts pictures of me all over Facebook, gets on local news for being tolerant
>Gets my dick cut off at age 12
>Fast forward 8 years
>Hideous asexual mutant freak that has to stick a glass dildo in the hole where my dick used to be every night so I don't turn into a Ken doll
>No friends, no SO, no job, no life
>Realize I'll never get to just be a normal human
>Kill self
>Mom posts pictures of funeral, gets on local news
>New legislation making it easier for children to get sex changes passes unanimously in my state's legislature
>The bill is named after me

>>136990788
Dont worry about it anon. This all happened to me once. It takes a few months but it all goes away. Just be free man, live love laugh, drop some acid, listen to the dead

everything is going to be ok
it will all be over soon enough

>>137004935

>risk of poverty and suicide much higher among mentally ill, deranged faggots

wow, who would've thought that people who can't even sort out their own gender are also unable to sort out their finances.

>>137005015

Lol that stupid choker thing.

Trannys always dress like 12 year old girls.

>>136990788
How about we try every alternative to chopping dicks off and gluing on fake ones. Hormone correction to the sex they were born in. Forced labour/army service, quit social media and porn. There we go solved. Half of these faggots are just influenced in a certain direction through the media. Blows my mind that a guy chopping their dick of is perfectly excetpable but a schizophrenic who may have barely heard voices or had been aggressive is put in a mental ward once and then forever frowned upon and never respected again.

>>137005087
idk I guess its possible to force yourself to be miserable for no reason for a while

hormones help a lot you know, maybe more than you think
you don't need to chop of your cock

>>137005081
You tell me that statistics are "misleading" then you give me an article that cites more statistics?

>>137005035

But there was no stigma against blacks people in the Jim Crow era? Or their suicide rate didn't skyrocket to the suicide rate of fags solely because they didn't get kicked out of their home, even though they were deeply stigmatized in every single other aspect of society? Getting kicked out of your home is the ONLY thing resulting from stigmas that drives people to suicide? Citations?

>>137005287

a fucking huffington post article, nonetheless. What a joke.

>>136990788
>With this in mind why do you have such a problem with those suffering with gender dysmorphia?
Because the problem is their insanity, not some anime-tier mutation.

>>137004781
Struggling with posting links so go to paragraph titled: Rejection by friends and family increases suicide risk

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/the-truth-about-transgend_b_8564834.html

>>137004919
I've said multiple times in this thread it's a mental illness. It's called Gender Dysphoria. I just don't really think you give a shit about these people enough to believe you when you say it genuinely needs to be treated differently. It seems like to you it's more important to score against the "progressive narrative" you fit in there.

>>137004906
Why are you so emotionless here? You agree but fuck you the numbers aren't perfect? Jesus

>>137005412
I'm too tired to deal with this honestly, carry on for me will you

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>>136990788
You didn't finish the story
>Become a female
>Realize all of society now bends over backwards for your whims
>Live a comfy life until the end of your days being provided for, giving nothing to the world but having a vagina

>>137005287
>>137005412
Yeah. Statistics are very misleading and will always just reflect the biases of the people who made them. You have to actually look at and think about the information. The simple truth is that transitioning pretty much universally makes trans people happier and you have to be pretty brainwashed to ignore that because it contradicts your anti-tranny agenda.

>>137005637
Who cares if they fucking kill themselves. They were weak boys, never men to begin with. Good for the gene pool.

>>137005637

>Rejection by friends and family increases suicide risk

Fags could live in a literal hugbox where they get nothing but support, and they'd still kill themselves at a much higher rate than the general population. they've almost all got intense depression/anxiety issues going on, they're borked in the head.

>>137005345
you're right that its not just social stigma alone that causes the high rate of suicide attempts
it is true that its a mental disorder

still being disowned by your family, whether or not it makes you homeless, will still without a doubt make the situation much worse, as will people calling you a sexual predator for using the women's bathroom

>>136990788

>some features are feminine and some are masculine

Gtfo, bigot. Men and women are 100% the same.

>>137005783

>massive suicide rates post-op, slight reduction compared to pre-op at best

>"you'd have to be delusional to think transitioning isn't an effective treatment you fucking bigot. Now pay for my neovagina"

>>136990788
I've been reading a light novel where a guy is isekaied as female otome game lead then got raped bsdm etc, is is so hot.

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>>136990788
You won't solve your problem by embracing your mental illness. This is a logical impossibility.
Even if you make all the surgeries, you would still be a man. Even if you could look exacly like a beaultiful woman, you would just be a shell of a female, and you would know that, and you would still not be able to accept yourself.
Your cells are male, and there's nothing you can do about it.

People who are mentaly sick should be interned. If you're born male but have "gender dismorphia", you should engage in a treatment to reverse the dismorphia and to learn how to become a man.

If you can't do this, you should be permanentely interned as a mentally ill person, or you should be under the care of your relatives as an ivalid human being.

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>>137006024
>Hormones massively reduce suicide risk
>In studies from the 80's srs increased suicide risk a bit
>hurr durr see it doesn't fix anything
If you can't see what's wrong with your argument then there's no point arguing with you.

>>137005005
Right, my point is that people use isolated examples of extremism to justify their own extremist views. People end up building a caricature of their opposition that is fundamentally untrue so slip further and further into their own extremist views (I believe both the left and right do this unbeknownst to the vast majority of people).

My point is that the views most people have are not independently formed but rather a response to a group they consider poisonous to society, a group whose influence and views are grossly exaggerated at worst, and at best simply misunderstood.

Because you said it offends you to be called a facist or a nazi by a liberal it seemed to me that your views are in fact mostly defensive. You saw the views of "SJWs" and liberals and associated all these people with a set of views that you detest, a group of views that threaten yours. I argue that you've overblown their influence (like I said just 0.3% of the US is transgender), and misunderstood those that sympathise and realise how dire the situation is as "being inundated with faggotry".

Really I'd argue that you're just not ready for other people to have their space in society and feel emotionally upset by that. You haven't dealt with those emotions so you just spew hateful messages.

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>>136990788
>female friends

>>137006248

If you can't see that trannies still off themselves at ludicrous rates no matter how much surgery and support you dump on them at the cost of the taxpayer's money and sanity, then I guess there's no point in arguing with you. Faggot.

The problem is actual mental dysphoria doesn't effect that many people but it's gotten too easy to slap the label on yourself and have it accepted as fact with no further medical testing, brain scanning and etc. Required.
Also the entire OP is retarded and doesn't compare with the cave allegory because one is plausible enough to be possible to carry out.
The closest thing we have to your retarded OP writeup is people with extra X or Y chromosomes, super males and females and so on.

>>136999093
Criminally underrated

>>137006410

>isolated examples of extremism

Yes, because having faggotry pushed on me from all angles by the media, by politicians, by film and tv, by the educational system, at the workplace etc is just a "few isolated cases". Mmmmk.

>>137006410
>Because you said it offends you to be called a facist or a nazi by a liberal it seemed to me that your views are in fact mostly defensive.

t. armchair psychologist

It seems to me that your views on this matter are largely informed by your desire to have big veiny cocks pumped into all your orifices.

Anyways guys, good chat. Off now as I'm sick of the all the fucking captcha I have to do.

To those with hate in your hearts I hope you come to terms with whatever emotional issue is causing you all this anger. It's a really hard thing to do, to break down the ego and actually deal with the things that cause us our own suffering but it is good. We're all gonna die alone, maybe not lonely, but alone. Make sure when you're there and the light is fading you dealt with this shit.


Have a good night.

>>137006777
Top KEK

>>137006777

Ooo! There's that projection again! You dealt with it well the first time but I knew it'd pop up again! >>136999876

>>136990788
>Born male
>Identify as male
>Suddenly begin to grow a beard
>After a few weeks have a fully grown beard
>Have to go gown shopping with my hebrew friends.
>Feel completely dejected and humiliated
>Shortly after my features become more holy
>Become skinny as a somali refugee
>Look so jewish I look like a Hollywood producer
>Dick slowly sheds it's foreskin like a snek
>Become Jesus Fucking Christ

I think they should be institutionalized just like the nuts that think they are Jesus Christ or Napolean Bonapart.

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Rolling.

>>137007224
Literally the only gross one.

>>136990788
>With this in mind why do you have such a problem with those suffering with gender dysmorphia?
I don't, I just think transitioning isn't going to fix the problem, because unlike the situation you described, gender dysphoria isn't bestowing any physical changes to your body, it's entirely psychological.

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>>136990788
You retard, actual gender dysphoria is extremely rare. Most trans are just gay people that get encouraged by others to turn into a """woman""" or men who can't get any pussy and think becoming a "transbian" will fix their issues

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>>136991331
>A tranny fanfiction is going to change your world view
Sorry you're still a faggot and all fags and trannies should be gassed
>>137006410
>You're just upset that these mental defects are being normalized and kids are being encouraged to explore them.
no successful society has bent over backwards for a group of .3% of the population. It's all about destroying traditional society that our countries were built upon and replacing it with (((their))) own degenerate agenda.

Fuck off with your fallacies, trannies, fags, lesbians and the rest of the mentally deranged snowflakes all have the same rights, none of their delusions are illegal, they just push for 'gender neutral toilets' or 'gay marriage' to normalize kids so they can indoctrinate them and have more victims to take advantage of.

lgbt+ are all mental illnesses that have absolutely no benefit to society. If every faggot, lesbian and tranny were genocided right now the world would be a better place.
I'm sick of you degenerate faggots shitposting here, we will never accept you, the only redpilled fags are the ones that suicide.

>>137006655
How do you justify taking this social issue and making it all about yourself? This is a thread about transphobia but you just have to go about in pity for yourself and complain that you have to deal with being reminded of transgenderism every once in a while, as if this is the most important issue here.

>>136998248
>>FLAG
the flag is always related faggot

>>137007022

You realize you already implied earlier that I was a closeted fag, right? Now when I say the same about you, it's projection on my part? But not when you do it? Typical faggot logic

>>137007590

>that you have to deal with being reminded of transgenderism every once in a while

Don't marginalize my struggles, shitlord. My point is that it doesn't matter how far you bend over for fags and trannies, no matter what steps you take to accomodate them they'll always kill the selves at embarrassingly high rates because they're weak, deranged faggots.

>>137007962
Not treating them like subhumans doesn't sound like an unreasonable accommodation to me.

>>136995501
literally nobody cares bout your lil cause

>>136990788
Ok so if you were born male there is absolutely no way you would have any idea of how it feels to be a woman. Different set of hormones, totally different body type, humans are sexually dimorphic, I'm pretty sure our brains are even wired differently, with women feeling more compassion.

The scenario you laid out is not homologous, because trans people, people suffering from gender dysphoria or dysmorphia, whatever, don't know what it's like to be members of the opposite sex, and oftentimes are unsatisfied and unhappy when they've had surgery to change their gender.

You know, it's not healthy to indulge this sort of thing, either. I don't believe it's proper treatment to make the world accommodate such a small percentage of people and legitimize their delusions, and have the rest of us deal with it. That's not fair, is it?

If you were a psychologist, you wouldn't indulge the psychotic, mad beliefs of a schizophrenic, or tell a depressed person that the world really is shit, and they'd be better off dead. You wouldn't let someone who suffers from Pica have a full course meal of nails and rocks, surely? So why have we as a society decided to encourage this mental illness and indeed lump it in with sane people, homosexuals?

>>137008251

>not spending tax dollars on crude reassignment surgeries
>not privileging and worshipping faggots in media/education

>subhuman treatment

Rounding up fags in concentration camps would be subhuman treatment. Wanting to put a halt to the current madness is not subhuman treatment.

>>137009347
>>not spending tax dollars on crude reassignment surgeries
I pity the smokers, gluttons, and risk takers in your life because they must be attracting the most terrible ire from you for needlessly siphoning much more money from the system than transgenders.

>>not privileging and worshipping faggots in media/education
That doesn't happen, unless the occasional politician and marketer paying lip service to LGBT rights counts as worship to you.

>>136990788
>mwf he hasn't seens TSF Monogatari
>Takumi Musashino suffers from a terminal illness and agrees to try an experimental treatment which turns him into a girl, and also into a complete and utter raging slut. Watch as Takumi goes from an almost altruistic loaner of his female body to hopeless fellow male virgins to a rock bottom literal whore!

>>137010855

>the smokers, gluttons, and risk takers

They don't shove their problems in my face like faggots do (in film and tv, other media, education, politics, etc) and beg for my sympathy, and then shriek autistically at me if I don't acquiesce to every point they make. They have the good sense to stay quiet.

>paying lip service to LGBT rights

It's gone way beyond lip service. My tuition dollars when i was in college went to sex reassignment surgeries. This shit is madness.

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>>136990788
The people who genuinely get affected by this shit do deserve compassion, most of them don't want it and they want to kill themselves. The last thing they'd do is fly a flag pointing it out or be part of some group where they pretend to embrace a biological mistake.
Those people I do have empathy for but that's not what the trans-gender movement it.
The Transgender movement is full of people who have convinced themselves they have an illness which they don't have, they take pride in being discriminated against and see the entire thing as some kind of edgy underground, counter-culture.
"Transgender Pride" doesn't care about trans-gendered people, it just cares about the notoriety and is addicted to the power it wields due to so many people being afraid to call them out.

>>136990933
>saying you'd be okay as a perso

FPBP

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>>136990788
>31 posts by this id
>Thinks he can change anyone's mind
Buddy you're peddling your mental disease in the wrong place. You might as well try and convince chinks that human life has value.

>>136990788
This doesnt happen you faggot

>>136990788


The problem with unions is way more convoluted in the States than in your little Denmark.

Here in the states, unions wield significant, if not to much political power. Know how you always hear about big business having a say in our politics? Unions are the same fucking way. Except instead of donating money to a political campaign, unions pressure their members to donate for this candidate or that.

Secondly, while they do protect workers as in your case, here, they also protect absolute piece of shit employees who absolutely deserve to be fired. Like, employees who don't so shit at all during the day. That not only cuts into productivity, it creates a dangerous social condition in the work place that pisses off actual hard workers who do do their jobs, it also demoralizes them. One average employee sees a piece of shit never doing work and decides he's gonna do the same.

The idea of unions isn't bad. But their real world implementation is a whole different animal.