Prove you aren't a Capitalist cocksucker shill and give

>>136864340
Capitalism makes it too hard to get sick digits.

>>136864759
>The free market awards digits to those who deserve them :^)

>>136864340
how does a capitalist exploit workers voluntarily working for him?
furthermore, how is taxation by a state not exploitation?

>>136864340
What is your solution?
Communism has never worked!!

I bet the guys and gals working at McDonald's work hard, do you believe they should earn the same as a heart surgeon?

>>136864340
capitalism is not a being and it is not "fair" or always "good".

capitalism is not only like owning the keys to something, that's literally what it is. When does it suck? When you do not own the keys.

>>136864340
What do you do for a living?

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>>136864967
>how does a capitalist exploit workers voluntarily working for him?
The workers produce products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the profit and gives a wage that is lower than what the product sold for.

>furthermore, how is taxation by a state not exploitation?
Taxation allows the state to build roads, provide services, and defend the citizens. A state is needed in capitalism.

>>136865295
Good way of putting it. Also, ownership of the keys is arbitrary under capitalism.

>>136864340
It gives way to corporatism without the right checks and balances
but communism still sucks horsecock

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>>136865750
It doesn't matter what I do. What matters is that opportunities for workers are diminishing. Cost of living and housing prices are increasing. Most college grads are thousands of dollars in debt. How can you defend this? These capitalists have similar reactions that the French monarchs had, that's too bad, "let them eat cake." Meanwhile the quality of life is deteriorating while Porky makes off with the spoils. Capitalists need to come up with something quick to fix the system.

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>>136866190
>without the right checks and balances
What might some of these checks and balances be anon?

>>136866445

>It doesn't matter what I do

It does. If you're unskilled, you don't deserve shit. Just die mate.

>>136866626
Automation is replacing a lot of these jobs anyway. It seems many people will die off like you say, without any jobs to support themselves.

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OP is a weakling that cannot compete in the free market.

>wants a CEO salary for scrubbing a toilet.

Have you considered the related pic?

>>136865943
I own a machine shop with 44 employees. I love them to death, but they are retarded. None of them can make sound long term decisions about money or strategy that is required to run a moderately successful multimillion dollar business. When I give out end of the year bonuses, what do you think they do wih that money? Pay off their car loans? No they go out and buy a motorcycle or binge on drugs for a week. Even my top salesmen or managers couldn't run this business. People are not created equally and most are not very smart. But even of the highly intelligent writers or mathematicians, most of them could not run a business. Communists inherently do not grasp why this is so vital for an economy and how well capitalism seizes hold of it for society's benefit.

>>136865943
>The workers produce products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the profit and gives a wage that is lower than what the product sold for.
Did these workers build the means of production?

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's a damn sight better than Communism. Period.

>>136864340
>exploitation isn't hard work

Top kek, you're just mad that you're too stupid to exploit anyone

>>136866779

>hurr durr automation replaced all these jobs
>what do u mean automation will result in the need for more engineers and programmers and operators
>what do u mean now that we've automated somethings we don't have enough programmers now???

typical shitty factory jobs have been replaced with operators, maintenance workers, and a thousand IT/programming positions

the IT field desperately needs a lot of people, hence why we're constantly importing pajeets and outsourcing shit

>>136866779
>Automation is replacing a lot of these jobs anyway

Find a job that won't get automated, learn a skill that an employer needs.

I'm a big supporter of automation

>work at a lobbying firm pushing disruptive technologies
>automation fucks over nigger tier people and weaklings that cannot compete
>walked into subway today during lunch rush, you can self order at the side, rendering workers useless
>workers were all Hispanic (in So Cal), its been made clear to me that whites are the enemy of society
>keep pushing disruptive tech and automation, fuck over people that hate whites.

>>136866909
You call your managers and lawyers and salesmen dumb?

>>136866909
Truth

Running a business is fucking difficult, commies call this exploitation which is hilarious, they have no idea how hard it is

>>136866779
>, without any jobs to support themselves.
There is unlimited demand for labor
It is just (((they))) wont allow deflation to happen

>>136864340
So much food that the poor's biggest health risk is obesity.

All of the parts of modern society which fucked over my life can be traced back to modern capitalism in one way or another. Having to move away from your hometown and everyone you know in order to get a good job leads to social isolation. Widespread access to pornography (it wouldn't be good business to leave an opportunity to make money unexploited, goy) leads young men to become desensitized to sexual deviance to the point where they can't get aroused without indulging in niche fetishes which most women find creepy. Getting women into the workplace has created a world where you need two incomes to support a family and even then money will always be a big problem. Restaurants and food companies make their food as tasty as possible at the cost of making it unhealthy, and then society goes on to indulge fat acceptance retards when this causes problems for society. I'm not going to pretend that my own weakness to temptation played no role, but we also don't need (((businessmen))) looking to make a buck by catering to people's weaknesses.

>>136867709
Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2. There is a dire job shortage because there are so many people yet not enough jobs. Everyone could have a job, work less hours, and be at the same position.

>>136864340
This change has only happened since women have entered the workplace. They tend to compete far less for the top jobs, but compete massively for lower end jobs. As a result, they've devalued the labour of the poorest the most and the richest the least.

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>>136867807
Very good points anon. About moving to find jobs, this is the new dynamic under post-Fordism and comes itself with a whole host of problems.

>>136867776
Lol see pic

>>136867933
>There is a dire job shortage because there are so many people yet not enough jobs

Most western nations are at full employment you dolt.

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>>136864340
It allows socialists to exists.

>>136864340
>give at least one problem with capitalism.
Communists scalps are not considered acceptable currency.

>>136867933

>Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2

because now you need

>2 farmers
>1 mechanics
>1 programmer
>2 truck drivers
>1 unloader
>a bunch more guys to ship package, ship, and ensure produce makes it to different countries/areas in your country

>>136867933
>Before you needed 8 farmers to feed 10 people. Now you only need 2.
And?
When this happened people just did other things

the way capitalism works today, it's very common to be on the "capitalist" end of an exchange at some point, regardless of how much wealth you come from. Alot of the terminology communists use that were relevant in the 1940's don't really apply anymore.

Capitalism tends to push towards planned obsolescence, which creates enormous amounts of environmental waste and expedites the scarcity of resources. Of course the capitalist response would be, the market will correct with sustainable business models when the consumer demands them (which is starting to occur more frequently now); however, and enormous amount of damage has already been done both environmentally, physiologically (lots of health issues in third world countries dealing with waste), and psycologically (gonna be a difficult transition from unbridled consumerism toward sustainable consumerism).

>>136868158
That's the point you dolt, we don't need full employment. Capitalism does however because people need wages to survive. Everyone is rushing to work 40 hour weeks to get enough money to survive. However there isn't enough to go around. Then you end up with things like underemployment and bullshit busy work tier jobs like how teachers would give you to keep you occupied.

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>>136864340
Oh look, that flag that doesn't understand what capitalism is again.

>>136868652
>Everyone is rushing to work 40 hour weeks to get enough money to survive
This is because (((they))) wont allow prices to come down so they can keep giving out shitty loans

>>136864340
>"MUH 1%"
Maybe stop buying the products they make then, faggot?

>>136864340
Takes more hard work to be a CEO than a low lever worker.
Also involves a lot more risk and pressure.
Also fuck you, if you own the business you're entitled to its profits in full, minus costs of production

>>136866577
>China
>Wipe out poverty
t. CCTV / Global times / Xinhua writer
I'm sure of it

>>136864340
communists must be ridiculed and removed from this board.

>>136867933

No you really couldn't. This will come as a surprise to someone like you (who has only ever done menial labor work, assuming you work at all) but not everything can be broken down into smaller, simpler pieces that can be spread among a group. The stuff that can will be automated, the other stuff literally requires a single human being thinking about it for 40 hours a week.

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>>136866577
Amazing what capitalism can accomplish in just a few years.

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>>136868781
>Capitalism: means of production owned by capitalists
There

>>136868940
Except one job creates wealth, the other doesn't.

>>136868940
>you're entitled to its profits in full, minus costs of production
And minus 30%.

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>>136864340
you have to understand one thing

right wing retards, conservashits, mentally ill americans, whatever u want to call them, they are the biggest billionaire globalist cock holsters on the planet

The wealthy elites command, and these retards obey.

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>>136869507
One job creates jobs, which create wealth, pleb

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President Trump and the Republican Congress are reportedly working on tax reform. This is almost certainly code for "huge tax cuts for rich people — especially ones like Donald Trump." But they'll probably try to sell the cuts as unleashing turbocharged growth.

But Republicans will run into two big problems. The first is that Trump's tax cuts will probably be so preposterously tilted towards the rich that this argument won't carry much weight. Second, and perhaps more importantly, the case that additional tax cuts will do anything positive for the economy — especially cuts for investment and corporations — is extremely weak. In fact, there is a strong circumstantial case that we should try the opposite: increased taxes.

The basic assumption of tax reform is wrong
http://theweek.com/articles/717044/basic-assumption-tax-reform-wrong

>>136869735
Enjoy having your millionaires go live in a tax haven, causing your tax revenue to collapse

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>>136869630
billionaire globalist cock holster pls go

honestly u paid shills are so fucking obvious

>>136868940
CEO isn't the same as business owner, silly.

CEO's also don't get a big share of the profits, shareholders do.
CEO's are just employees, usually very well payed employees, but still wagecucks.

>>136864879
It's more like a lottery.. I still fail to understand why criticism of capitalism implies communism is superior. Crony capitalism is shit, regulatory capture, ignored externalities, fiat and currency manipulation, all fair criticisms. Communism is just retarded though. Why should a chimney sweeper make as much as a doctor? Personal incentive is important for motivation. Fear is a shit motivator.

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>>136869865
how much do the billionaires pay u to suck their cock all day?

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>>136869566
How do we break through to these spooked /pol/yps?

>>136869630
>One job creates jobs, which create wealth, pleb
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES

>>136869566
>Gross numbers and not per-capita
The day of the rake is coming

>>136864340
What lol? I'm fairly certain you just defined communism with your green text. Capitalism 100% rewards hard work

>>136869889
it doesn't. the only issue here is that nobody seems to have any sort of well-developed realistic alternative systems which aren't capitalism or communism.

>>136869874
>That image
Funny considering communism has its own 1%: political elite.
I seem to recall Mao eating drunken pork belly every day and fucking harems of 14 year olds while the country starved

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>>136869876
What's funny is that I'm poor as shit, but technically I am a capitalist I am a capitalist because I have stocks, and thus am exploiting the "workers" (despite also being a worker myself).

>>136864340
waaaa why cant i afford an x box? i blame capitalism while i use my $300 vape

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>>136869947
you can't. they are completely owned and operated by their billionaire globalist overlords. right wingers have been programmed since birth to be billionaire globalist cock holsters. you can't break thru to them. the programming is too strong.

all u can do is make fun of them

conservashits told me the free market knows best

then the free market shipped their jobs overseas

these bootlickers deserve to be mocked

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This is a result of faulty neolib economics using things such as debt leveraged healthcare in the form of the ACA and social security, both of which defualt in 20 years.

The latest democratic party reforms would also increase the gdp per capita difference, increase wealth difference across races, increase poverty, crime and starvation, all of which they try to have you ignore by talking about retarded trump tweets.

Why are the poor voting democrat again?

>>136870135
If it's impossible to "deprogram" us then why are you here?
Go to your echo chamber of stupidity on cripplechan

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>>136870055
I'm not a communist dumb shit. Read the article.

The basic assumption of tax reform is wrong
http://theweek.com/articles/717044/basic-assumption-tax-reform-wrong

>>136870242
Here's the archive
https://archive.is/WErLd

>>136864340
Capitalism doesn't favor stupid people

>>136870242
Well then I pose the question to the guy with the communist flag.

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>>136870215
keep on sucking that billionaire globalist cock u filthy filthy shill

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>>136864340
>Crony Capitalism is the same as Free Market capitalism

I believe we live in a corporate capitalist society.

>>136864340
Communist have freedom in capitalism,

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>>136870346
>It wasn't my specific, perfect, entirely infallible brand of capitalism
Lol

>>136870321
USSR had income inequality of 4 to 1, compared to the West where that ratio is 10,000 to 1 and higher

>Prove you aren't a cocksucker
>go suck cock

>>136870539
How is it communism if there's any inequality at all?
And how is 4 to 1 inequality better than 1 to 10,000 inequality when you're producing 10,000x less?

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>revolutionary thread

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>>136870539
Really, who the actual fuck unironically thinks the USSR was a great place to live?!

>>136864340

Consumerism gets annoying, and in its excess negatively affects mass culture, spreading bullshit in its wake.

It is a reason Cultural Marxism spread.

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>>136870680
It's about eliminating the absurd inequality of the capitalist class. Of course work with less demand and more skill will be compensated better at least during early transitional socialism. Once material abundance is achieved there wouldn't be any need anyway.

>And how is 4 to 1 inequality better than 1 to 10,000 inequality when you're producing 10,000x less?
Soviets were producing enough to have a superpower nation.

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>>136870326
Share of income doesn't mean shit it's not a zero sum game
I always come into these threads hopeful I'll learn something. I never do

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>>136870839
>Really, who the actual fuck unironically thinks the USSR was a great place to live?!
The people who actually lived in it

>>136864340

The on-paper benefits of capitalism assume an infinite amount of competition and perfectly rational consumers. Since neither of these things will ever be true, free market capitalism will always require outside intervention in the form of government regulation which would tend to eliminate any of its alleged efficiencies.

It's still the best thing we've got so far.

>>136864340
A purely unregulated and capitalistic society would eventually get unstable enough that the people in it would willingly choose to put limits and regulations in place.

>>136871135
Enough what? Mustache oil for their great leader?
I seem to recall the USSR was an extremely shit place to live

>>136864340
>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work

yah, you fucking dingus. it rewards the efficient use of resources to create benefits for others. ever heard 'work smart, not hard'? probably not, because people like you usually never have worked a day in their life.

>>136871135
>Soviets were producing enough to have a superpower nation.
And then...they weren't.

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>>136869507
Wow! You regurgitate that well, its fucking meaningless drivel but let's see how retarded you can go..

Explain
>means of production

>capitalists

Then actually go look up the word 'Capitalism' in a dictionary, and stop being a fucking retard.

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>>136871410
>Means of production:anything used to produce other products (machinery, factory equipment, factories, tools)

>Capitalists:people who employ workers to use their private property to produce products for the capitalists

Common anon this is all basic stuff. Read up more about Marxism at least, go to communism general >>136858687

>>136871305
Nope lol, see
>>136871225

>>136871327
Labor creates wealth dumbass. However the capitalist class is rewarded the most.

>>136870680
>How is it communism if there's any inequality at all?

Communism just means the workers own the means of production.

Could be different factories have different owners.
So workers who work at and thus own more profitable factories would earn more money.

In a way communism could lead to higher differences in wages, because under capitalism all workers tend to earn similar minimum wages regardless of performance.

>>136872103
So the worker who has access to robots gets paid more than the worker who just has hand tools despite there being no difference in ability?
And I guess the local political elite gets to choose who gets the robots; that way they can ensure their friends get the best jobs.

>>136871889
>using this meme image
>communism magically has automation that capitalism doesnt for some reason
really makes me think

>>136871889
>Labor creates wealth dumbass.

no. that's correlation, but not causation. you remember how every time you try expressing your outdated ideas of the labor theory of value, someone tells you about digging holes? that.

>>136868648

the free market can only correct with the ability it has. When severe damage has been done, it's often "uneconomic" to fix this. Many problems stay there without a solution because too complicated, requires too many hours, "not feasible".

If you put faith into the free market always being able to rescvue you, you will probably be disappointed. If you crashed in a poorly built car you would also be crippled - and nobody could help you then. It's too late at that point. But the free market will only react once it's too late.

>>136872401
Automation would displace too many workers under capitalism. Under communism, automation would be used to enrich mankind and would be used to its fullest potential.

>>136872578
Thats a moral choice though, that companies use to increase the chance that locals will buy their cars. Capitalism could fully automate, and itd just create unemployment because we dont have infinite resources in our land.

>>136872527
No it's a direct observable causation. Construction workers construct a house, that is a direct increase in wealth. A capitalist shuffling money around and playing in the stock market is not creating wealth. He's making money sure, but not contributing to the wealth of a society like labor does.

>>136871889
oh and by the way, the 'capitalist' is rewarded the most, because he bought the labor from the labourer. if the latter wants more, he has to demand more, and if doesn't get it, the service he's selling might not be worth as much.

>>136872820

The workers just spontaneously got together and decided to build a house out of the kindness of their hearts? That's a pretty impressive ideology you have there.

>capitalism doesnt work

I think you mean government interference doesn't work

>capitalism hurts the masses
I think you mean government interference hurts the masses

>>136864340
Commies have no class, so at least they're being true to the ideology.

>>136873335
at least the government will give me food stamps.

>>136872103
>Communism just means the workers own the means of production.

no, it doesn't. that's just called shared ownership, and is realised in capitalism with stocks. you buy them, you get a share of "the means of production", or you might buy your own at a hardware store.

communism has a wider definition that includes the abolishment of classes and state (which is so paradoxical it just fucks with my head)/

>under capitalism all workers tend to earn similar minimum wages

have you actually ever worked a day in your life or are you like all other leftists talking out of your ass? most people earn way more than minimum wage.

>>136864340
The only people who complain about capitalism are the ones who can't figure out how to make it work for them.

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Okay, commies help me out here cause I'm a little confused. If I own a small business that hires no one, then I am not a capitalist. But the second that I hire someone to say, sweep the floors or clean the dishes, then I am a capitalist exploiter.

If I am a worker in a factory, then I am a proletariat that is being exploited. However, if I use some of my wages to buy stocks in that factory, then I am both a capitalist exploiting the workers AND a proletariat being exploited by the capitalists.

If the communist society comes about, then I can own a house with hammers, saws, lathes, 3D printers, and so on, since those are personal property and thus can be owned by me. But if my neighbor wants to use some of my tools to build something, I either have to let him do it for free or turn him down entirely, since demanding compensation for him using my tools would be exploitation and would make me a capitalist exploiter.

>>136872820
try building something nobody wants and try selling it. then you'll see how much labour is the source of wealth.

>>136873532
for a while, yes, until the system runs out of money to steal, and collapses.

>>136873559
I don't think he understands that some jobs are made for teenagers and burnouts with no ambition.
People with their shit together are supposed to aim for jobs that actually have potential for advancement and increased salary, not spend 60 years working as a burger flipper.

>>136864340
Capitalism results in mass production of cheap garbage, turning people in employed laborers rather than as partial owners of the means of production. Resulting in the destruction of artisanship and guilds

>>136864340
Drew those lines on the image. Bait

>>136871135
>material abundance
>socialism
My sides can't repel laughter of this magnitude.

>>136873627
>Okay, commies help me out here cause I'm a little confused. If I own a small business that hires no one, then I am not a capitalist. But the second that I hire someone to say, sweep the floors or clean the dishes, then I am a capitalist exploiter.
The solution is to get the worker to bring their broom from home, then let them keep the dust they sweep up.
That way they both own the means of production and get to keep the product of their labour

>>136873969
Oh fuck. I can't even.

>>136864340

Communism is theft. When you run out of other people's shit to steal everyone starves to death.

I agree Capitalism sucks, do you have a better system that doesn't involve billions of people starving to death?

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>>136873818
yeah, man, you're probably right. you reminded me of the unabomber manifesto though.

>>136873810
Then anon simply takes what he wants. Society is nothing more than a bunch of social contracts. If a government default on their end of the bargain to provide humane living conditions to its citizens, it's only fair anon is no longer bound by the laws laid out by that government.

>>136873822
This
>>136873920
Nope
>>136873759
Red herring
>>136874569
>Socialism is when the gobment does stuff
Nope

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>>136864340
Germany is cucked.

Enjoy having more and more Syrians and Turks shoved up your anus, and your countrymen getting exploded/run-over.

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>>136864340
My problem is that Capital hasn't consumed me yet

>>136875114
>Red herring

are you fucking stupid? nobody owes you shit for you labour if he doesn't want it. get that into your head, man. are you really this useless that you do not know this? Honestly man, what do you do for a living?

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>>136866445
Lol then don't go to college. I have plenty of friends who are sitting pretty comfy just by being in skilled trades and having even a half way decent work ethic. Some are making $50k-$60k+ at 18 years old.

>muh automation

Ironically the people who bring these points up are the ones who tend to be disconnected with it the most. Not even worthy of an argument at face value with most of you retards. If you get fucked by automation you're untermensch that needs to be eradicated and are most likely nigger tier

Really not that hard. Negative externalities exist, but those exist in any political system.

>>136878146
first good criticism of the thread.

>>136865943
its hilarious that a russian called you out on your fucking bullshit

>>136864340
This is actually perfectly expected simply by the rapid growth and scope of many businesses. Their customer base for large businesses is expanding at unprecedented levels, and profit margins remain slim due to competition. Their top executives and shareholders are simply enjoying the profits reaped by a business which is many times larger.

Commies get the very fundamental process behind capitalism wrong. A profit margin is not an exploitation margin. It's the value _created_ by division of labor and voluntary exchange. The customer benefits from the transaction. The employer benefits from the transaction. And the employee benefits from the transaction.

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commie fags detected
day of the copter when?!

>>136875364

>tfw unfriendly AI will never liquidate your bio-essence and pump your warm remains into its feeding hatchery for embryonic cybernetic drone warriors

>>136879590
no need for a helicopter, as retards like it are either going to commit suicide due to mental illness or overdose on heroin lmao

>>136864340
>exploit the labor of the workers
Nope. The labor theory of value is objectively false, and your labor is, empirically, worth exactly what you sell it for and not a penny more or less.

The real problem with Capitalism is that it is an incomplete system with no real concept of race, nation, or justice. It is merely a functional system for the allocation of resources.

>>136866445
College grads are in debt because demand for college is kept artificially high, meaning that each school can simply pile on staff which have nothing to do with useful degrees, from useless majors to bloated administration to manicured and constantly expanding campuses. The artificially high demand is propped up by a financial system which prevents people from erasing student loan debt by declaring bankruptcy. The inability to erase debt means that person is forced into a lifetime of interest payments if they are not successful in a job market where full time employment and median wages have been falling in spite of the recession "ending". If student loan debt were regular debt, lenders would stop making exploitative loans. This in turn would force schools to downsize, culling useless majors and scrutinizing spending to eliminate spending deficits.

>>136879893
it is already complete. People are just to stub born to let others lead their life without intervening. If the concepts of race, nation or justice are profitable, and therefore good, they will be implemented in a sustainable way, when you let the people just do.

>>136864340
I forget. We're socialist in 1980?

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>>136870135
>liberals do not obey billionaires and globalists

>>136864340

lmao that chart... wow. just wow.

3% increase is presented as something as dramatic as the collapse of the twin towers

hang yourself commie

p.s. idk wtf causes this and it's crap but still kys

>>136870305
No it favours callous psychopaths.

Any one here who works for someone else you are not a capitalist.

>>136882487
The difference between 1.5% and 6% growth over 20 years is an income growth of 1.35 to 3.20.

It's not a 3.5% increase, over 20 years it's a 237% increase.

>>136883743
My bad 628% difference. It's not 3.20/1.35 it's 2.2/0.35

>>136864340
>>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work, on the contrary, it rewards the capitalist class, the people who exploit the labor of the workers
Is the communist play book simply to swap the word "capitalist" with "communist" nowadays?

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>>136879590
There is literally nothing wrong with being a Communist

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>>136884729
>In capitalism, workers work for the betterment of the capitalists
>In communism, workers work for the betterment of society
Your pick

>>136884956
>affirming a disjunct

the truth is that human civilization needs upheavals every so often, when one group has been in power too long society ossifies and everything starts going to shit

right now we're deep in the ossification stage

>>136883743
5% increase per year over 20 years is only your income increasing 2.6x.
3.5% is only 2x
You're retarded, just like all commies

>>136884956
Where does the chairman and political elite fit into your picture? *sips tea*

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>>136884956
>implying under communism the banking elite arent just replaced with the party leaders and the common man eats the dick again

>>136867807
>Widespread access to pornography (it wouldn't be good business to leave an opportunity to make money unexploited, goy) leads young men to become desensitized to sexual deviance to the point where they can't get aroused without indulging in niche fetishes which most women find creepy.
I think that's a (you) problem pal

>>136870539
What's wrong with income inequality? Why do you care? Fuck off loser.

>>136885493
It's not 5% it's 6% Hungarian guy didn't look at the graph, neither did you it seems.

And the difference in income growth is ~628% over 20 years.

>>136864340
So Reaganomics was working?

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>>136886252
you have to understand that right wing retards have been programmed to work for less money so that the billionaire globalist elites that they worship, serve and obey can have all the money

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>>136886229
>What's wrong with income inequality?
LOL

>>136886252
1.06^20 = 3.207135472 = 3.2x increase in income
Man commies are stupid

>>136886229
>What's wrong with income inequality?
It creates social instability and incentives cheating.
>Why do you care?
Because I can see the outcome of a society where people try to fuck each other over crumbs.

>>136886532
>Because I can see the outcome of a society where people try to fuck each other over crumbs.
Then why would you want communism when that's exactly what happens every time it's implemented?
People starve

Capitalism has failed to find a way to kill commies that's profitable enough to legalize it completely.

>>136886446
Not an argument, tell me, cunt. For what reasons other than you being a good for nothing loser who's jealous of people more successful than you, is wealth inequality bad you commie cockholster?

>>136886522
1.015^20~1.35 1.06^20~3.2
1.35-1/3.2-1=6.28

>>136886364
That money is kept outside the US because it was earned outside the US and bringing it in is simply paying US tax, on top of taxes already applied in the originating country, for no purpose.

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>>136886633
But hey, that wasn't real communism

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>>136864340
>one problem with capitalism

It assumes people aren't idiots who need to be protected from their own stupidity.

>>136879261
... that's not Russia

>>136886791
It incentives cheating and immoral behavior if the profit is great enough.

Also the primary way of acquiring wealth becomes inheritance, most rich people become rich by waiting for their parents to die.

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>>136884956
>We'll stop being exploited if we centralize all the power in one location!

>>136884814
>literally nothing wrong with advocating for straight up highway robbery as the foundation of society

>>136886866
this desu

>>136886866
That's true though, your odds of winning are directly proportional to the number of tickets you buy :^)

>>136886532
Why do y'all still seem to think its 1890 :,D. People fucking eachother over for crumbs? Where do you see that happening? And how would communism suppress people's natural competitiveness/greed, what's to say that even when everyone is housed in their little equal DDR blocs, one guy won't break into another guys house and steal his rations?

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>>136886814
the billionaire globalist supercuck thinks corporations and rich don't use loopholes and send money offshore

>>136887252
Who exactly, and how much? What loopholes do they exploit? I would like to know so I can help advocate closing them.

>>136887026
So what? Wealth isn't a zero-sum game, so unless someone is literally stealing from someone else, what difference does it make?

>>136864340
These are the gayest psyop threads out there

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>>136864340
>>136864340
Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople

>>136887161
But like, it's not theft like because dude, there's no such thing as private property.
Like woah.
Everything you make goes to the government and like then they like give it back to you and shit like but like you don't actually own it because communism

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>>136886791
See
>>136886532
This should be one of those things that are self-evident but I'll tell you. Wealth concentrating in the hands of a few leads to stagnation and a needlessly poorer quality of life for most people. Less people owning more capital leads to less innovation. People suddenly struggle to get education to become scientists, engineers, and doctors leading to a society with a permanent underclass of consumerist slaves with the capitalist class living how monarchs before could only have dreamed up. Less freedom, less innovation, more misery. That's why you capitalist cockholster.
>more successful
Define more successful. A capitalist pig who exploits labor and profits at the expense of the hard work of others is not "more successful". In fact, it's a trait of a parasite.

>>136887252
>Obongoleaf is a reddit commie
Frankly, you have to go back.

>it rewards the capitalist class,

You misspelled financial kike class.
Capitalism works fine in high trust societies filled with genetically and culturally high trust people.

>>136865943
Can't have a wealth gap without wealth

Globalization combined with low taxes in a progressive system (or worse, a flat system) has increased the affluent class with wealth by allowing low income workers to replace what used to be jobs on the homefront which required an entire support system.

>>136864340
it rewards smart work not hard work dumb fuck. If I invent something that increases production 10000x I shouldn't have to keep laboring with your stupid ass just to make it "fair"

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>>136887250
>People fucking eachother over for crumbs?
Look at picture.
>Where do you see that happening?
Everywhere
>one guy won't break into another guys house and steal his rations?
People don't steal food when they aren't hungry. Not saying it won't happen, but currently you are incentivized to break the rules, and required to bend the rules as far as possible.

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>>136887509
>but like you don't actually own it because communism
Retard who doesn't know the difference between private property and personal property detected

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>>136864340

>>136888089
Yeah the difference between private property and personal property is the way it's pronounced.
It's a kludge to let yourself pretend private property doesn't exist while still having private property

>>136864340
>it rewards the capitalist class, the people who exploit the labor of the workers
>implying there's anything objectively wrong with that

>>136888089
>Retard who doesn't know the difference between private property and personal property detected
probably because personal property is some arbitrary bs that commies came up with to stuff down criticism

>>136864340
Its called Quantitative easing. This is why that chart looks like that.

>>136887722
Just because you're a billionaire globalist shill doesn't mean I'm a commie

>>136887950
What the fuck does "smart work not hard work" even mean fuckhead? Hard work is what puts food on your table. Pushing papers all day on a desk doesn't magically provide you with corn growing out of the file cabinet. And if you invent something like that you'd spread it around for the good of society. Now everyone can do that smart work you love to harp on so much about. It's as if you think all the farmers are still toiling in the fields with horse ploughs when more efficient technology already exists.

>>136864340

Except, it does reward hard work.

Just because it doesn't reward your dunning kruger lazy retard ass, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

>>136888531
Not as much as it rewards those who own the means of production and never actually work with it.

>>136888021
"Fucking each other over". What do you mean by that? And if these "crumbs" covers daily caloric intake and water + some shelter, why is that bad? Why do you think you're entitled to stuff? You can work an hour in today's capitalist society and earn enough money to buy a feast by our ancestors standards. Still you're such a brat that you somehow feel yourself deserving of surplus luxuries? How bourgeoise...

>>136864340
>Implying that exploiting labor of workers to make money isn't hard work

>>136888089
>difference between private property and personal property detected
Difference between private property and *personnel* property
ftfy, you sniveling commie scum bag full of lies and trickery.

>>136864340
The problem isn't with capitalism per say, more with the people who know how to play the game. What we need are more restrictions on what people can and can't do within the system. Capitalism is like a fire, it can either save your life, or end it depending on how out of control it gets. Its biggest flaws are also its biggest reasons for why it has become so successful.

>>136887443
>so unless someone is literally stealing from someone else, what difference does it make?
See 2008 financial crisis.
>>136887623
Financial capitalism is parasitic, and it's killing the host.

>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work, on the contrary, it rewards the capitalist class, the people who exploit the labor of the workers

Wrong.

There are many instances where that affirmation isn't true.

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>>136888361
>billionaire globalist shill
Nah, im not a mindless liberal drone.
I'm a fascist.

>>136888298
>>136888322
>>136888728
See
>>136871889

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>>136889091
Might as well say, private property are the means of production. Property needed to create other goods. Personal property is property you own (car, house, clothes, toothbrush) Yes, commies aren't going to collectivize the toothbrushes.

>>136888626
>"Fucking each other over". What do you mean by that?
I mean European countries who have hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out banks, but lack the money to provide basic health care for the elderly.
>And if these "crumbs" covers daily caloric intake and water + some shelter, why is that bad?
Because they aren't be compensated fairly for the labor they do.
>Why do you think you're entitled to stuff?
I don't, I think I'm entitled to a fair compensation for my labor.
>Still you're such a brat that you somehow feel yourself deserving of surplus luxuries?
Never said that. I was talking about the general state of affairs not my personal ones, thank you very much for caring about my personal situation.

How is your personal situation in Spain?

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>>136865943
>Taxation allows the state to build roads, provide services, and defend the citizens. A state is needed in capitalism.
And a state is not required for communism? A ideology that takes from those who have a Surplus without any compensation and re-distributes it.
I think you might have been dropped on your head a few too many times by you libicuck single mom.

>>136864967
>how does a capitalist exploit workers voluntarily working for him?
Just do it goy or I'll find someone else to

Capitalism exploits low class workers and the environment

>>136889706
>A ideology that takes from those who have a Surplus without any compensation and re-distributes it.
Not taking, giving. I believe a society where people give because they want to help their community is possible.

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>>136880217
This

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>>136889706
LOL I was talking about capitalism. Capitalism requires a state to defend private property rights. Taxation is also required for those public services. But if you want to be a retarded ancap and take away the one institution that defends your shitty system by all means go ahead. Marx did state the end goal of communism is a stateless, classless society.
>A ideology that takes from those who have a Surplus without any compensation and re-distributes it.
That's not socialism. That's actually capitalism because wealth is redistributed to those who own private property, created wealth inequality.

>>136888089
If you create private property out of your personal property, does it get seized or not?

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>>136887103
Fucking based leaf! I hope the day of the rake spares you friendo.

>>136890068
Primary driving force of education demand in the US are parents who worked their ass off and want their kids to have a good education to get a good job later. Student loans subsidize the retirement funds of parents.

I am a capitalist shill
One problem with the system is leeches like all these liberal teenagers who haven't seen the glorious light of gold

the only issue I have with it is that it has empowered a very small group of people to be able exert enormous control over the planet.

I don't think wealth inequality is bad in theory, but the above effect would be way less severe if a much greater portion of the overall wealth of the world was spread out among more people. It sure would be easier if soros only had millions of dollars rather than billions ...

>>136864340
>Some employers like to treat their underlings like human beings, and there's nothing we can do about it in a capitalistic system

>>136890324

i'd suck that penis

it's funny when commies bitch about this since internationalism is what enables it
They get insects and apes abroad to make the products, sell them at almost the same price, pocket the difference. It's what happens when you throw out all tangible industry and replace it with banking and "investment"

>>136888089
what is the difference then?
Please, explain
You have a chance to convince me, go ahead, use it.
Prove to me that the idea of personal property isn't just some mental gymnastics you and your ilk came up with

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>>136889972
maybe attacking rich people at every possible opportunity and being a smug piece of shit about your terrible career choices will inspire generosity among the more-fortunate

>>136864340

I have to work hard to become financially successful. (already did, fuck you commie.)

>>136890163
>implying I am ancap
Dumbass commi cuck I work for what's mine by the sweat of my brow. Anything short of that is pussy ass bitch shit.

>>136890866
See
>>136889393

>>136890173
Kind of hard to create industrial-tier private property by yourself. That's like saying will I able able to keep the road systems or railroads as personal property even if I built everything myself. It doesn't make sense and would be better off in public hands.

You dumb commieniggers don't understand that there's a food chain basically in the market. There always has and always will be. Even in a "communist" country.
>smart rich politician(s) and marketers rule top of the economy and they're next of kin take over when they die
>middle class is wealthy enough to be happy but not rich (will most likely never get on top of the food chain)
>working class makes enough to get by and has a shitty education, most of these tards never even got a GED, they're the workers because that's all they are good at.

Now granted that some rich people never went to school per say, they were still smart because they read books and shit.

>>136867525
Can you not read, you dumb faggot?? He very clearly did, nigger. Take your fagoutrage and match your top's donation to Bernie.

>>136889972
This

>>136891151

And that is why it won't work people are a bucket of crabs and you are a prime example (let's take the ritch mans ritches away cuz he didn't earn it) dumbass commi filth

>>136890353
But not all fall for the Jew trick.

>>136890163
>capitalism requires a state to defend property rights
I think capitalism just needs a state to not get in the way and let people own guns to defend their property rights
Maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly but I'm fairly certain some guys trying to start a country a couple hundred or so years ago realized that and specifically wrote it into their new countries constitution that their government shouldn't try to disarm their people
idk I'm not a history expert but I think that might be something worth looking into

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>>136891151
Ok.

>>136891386
>Being this spooked

>>136889393
>>136891304
define the means of production for me plz.
What exactly are these means of production?

blort

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>be 17yo with no brackground in economics, no background in finance, no background in accounting
>thinks he can make valid economical critiques and have a meaningful economical discussion
Nope. Workers don't deserve the investments they never made, investments being profitable to society as a whole is something verifiable and provable with real world data, speculation is profitable to society and it is provable with real world data. Workers wouldn't be "exploited" if they actually were capable of opening a business, the logical conclusion that follows is that they are in fact, not capable, and you are not as intelligent and capable as you think you are.

An easy way to prove all I wrote above is to look at all countries that were controlled by people who think exactly like you.

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>>136891726
>guns to defend their property rights
One capitalist versus hundreds of armed workers. HMM, on second thought let's do it

>that their government shouldn't try to disarm their people idk I'm not a history expert but I think that might be something worth looking into
Ahh yes Marx, keeping the working class armed. Looks like you're even more of a Marxist yourself than you think :^)

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>>136890440
Top kek

>>136891803
Anything that is used to create other products. Factories, machinery, tools all fall under this. Capitalists use private property to basically rent it out to workers. Not only that but the products the workers make, go to the capitalist.

>>136891942
>marx was right about gun rights
Marx: 1-
Founding Fathers: 239+

If I leave my kitchen timer at 0:00 it's still right for one minute every day

>I can't handle competition where the strong and intellgent come out on top
>Better drag them down and make them equal to me and virtue signal as I do it

Fuck the left. If we were in a survival situation on an unknown island, none would last. They would just protest the starvation and disease for not affecting every stranded person equally.

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>>136891942
>One capitalist versus hundreds of armed workers. HMM, on second thought let's do it
I think you fail to absorb reality properly. It would be hundreds of highly capable individualist men vs delusional people. Just like it already happened in history, where your forces only gain ground through political subversion and trickery. There's a reason why commies became anti-war all of a sudden in the previous century, even though they started off as war hungry revolutionaries. Will you have to learn it the hard way again?

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>>136892467
>I can't handle competition where the strong and intellgent come out on top
Sounds a lot like the USSR :^)

>>136892607
>Collapses 20 years later

>>136864340

Considering US is currently a cronie capitalist system and fueled by kikely demands, the entire shillish chart and question is shareblue level retarded. Kys summerfag.

>>136864340
It can be regulated to the point that it might as well be communism

>>136891942
Look at the Pinochet coup or other right wing coups, where they can take the country in a weekend if they have the will to do it, vs communist revolutions, savagery that destroys an entire nation just so some Bolshevik jew can be the king of ashes. Look at Colombia and such, where communist "revolutions" have been going on for five decades, which is basically just a bunch of low IQ monkeys going around shooting innocent people in the back, and completely destabilizing their own land for fifty years.

If you knew history you would know why all the real communists completely switched to the political subversion approach and are in fact working day and night to ban guns and self defense.

>>136892078
>anything used to create other products
ok, lets get hypothetical here
let's say I use a piece of flint, and a tree branch to carve a bokken ( a wooden katana used for swordsmanship practice)
Your definition here seems to imply that the bokken is the product and the flint is the tool aka means of production
a few questions, first, is the material, in this case the wood also considered means of production?

>>136889623
No one is forcing people to work. And like I said, the hourly wage for even the most menial jobs can buy you enough calories to sustain you throughout the day. Our ancestors had hunt, fish and engage in incredibly rigorous physical activity in order to simply survive. In our capitalist society an 18 year old kid can literally put a piece of bread inside a bun for an hour and take those 8 bucks and buy something filling and caloric. You can survive on an incredibly small amount of money. People only choose to work more because they want things above that baseline. Yes you do think you're entitled to stuff. You think you're entitled to an array of things above that baseline i.e luxuries. Why do you need luxuries? "Fair wages"? Life isn't fair kiddo, and any wage upon which you can survive and by that I mean literally survive, not buy a phone, a car, a house, is a fair deal to a human being. But if you do want these luxuries, the beauty of it is that they're within your reach if you have enough ingenuity and drive.

>>136864340
capitalism paves the way to communism

>>136888514
>being so stupid as to need "what is smart" explained

I even said it in the example dipshit: Invent. If I invent the steam engine which allows more work to be done then I am X% more productive than the average worker. What communist morons like yourself don't understand is that some people's smart work is worth billions more than someone's physical, manual labor. The end production of physical labor is dependent on the level of technology present. I wouldn't expect a dipshit starving red to understand econ at all tho.

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>>136887026
>most rich people become rich by waiting for their parents to die.
Statistically false, 84% of millionares and 62% of billionares are self made.

>>136888514
You're the one thinking that if a farmer invents a tractor, he should still earn and work the same hours as those still using horse drawn ploughs.

If I invent something I spread it around in exchange for money.

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>>136893138
I'm not worried about any fascist coup. Fascism largely died out in 1945. The battle of the 21st century will be waged by the neoliberals perched atop their ivory towers and the increasingly left-leaning proletariat. Nazis are just stooges of the capitalists.

>>136893873
Yes you could call the piece of flint and tree branch private property because they are means to produce other products. However, such means of production are easily acquired so anyone could acquire them and start benefiting from the work. The problem arises when porky acquires a monopoly on the flint and people end up selling their labor to porky in exchange for access. This is why capitalism didn't exist before industrialization, private properly was readily available. It didn't make sense for someone to own a bunch of cheap private property and have people work on it. After industrialization you had very complex machinery that required a lot of accumulated capital to purchase.

>>136894841
>>136894987
I don't see how this relates to capitalism. Innovation happens in any system. Sometimes these innovations are locked away as patents. Society ultimately suffers from a lack of proliferation of innovation caused by greed. I can also mention that the profit motive doesn't fuel innovation, rather the human desire for innovation, progress, and to help its fellow man out. Capitalism has bastardized this view.

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>>136894879
that flag should honestly be changed to "billionaire globalist shill"

>>136864340
>capitalism cocksucker shill
>flag
>reddit spacing
That's three strikes, OP. Fuck off.

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>>136889393
What about personal property that are also means of production?

>>136896924
>a fucking leaf

>>136896815
Pinochet was not a fascist you bumbling idiot. Fascism is big government control and socialist policies. Fascism is Bernie Sanders and Scandinavia, it is corporativism, where the government in practice owns 50% of the equity of all corporations.

It also seems you were too stupid to absorve anything I wrote down to you.

>>136896815
ok so materials are also private property good to know I was kinda curious
Is my body considered means of production then?
It's practically indistuingishable from the tool in that it is used with a material to create a product, or am I missing something?

>>136897177
>What about personal property that are also means of production?
No such thing

>>136897759
>Fascism is Bernie Sanders and Scandinavia, it is corporativism
LOL no
>Leftists are the real fascists!!!

>>136898111
No materials are not private property

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>>136864340
Progressives literally made it illegal for poor people to invest

>>136898421
>LOL no
Brilliant rebuttal comrade. Really thoughtful.
>big government ideology allegedly in favor of working class people and against bankers, seize private property of rich people, establish a big government with welfare, where there's a government alternative to almost all services in the free market
>Not real leftism because they are against the USSR and cared about their ethnicity!!!!

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>>136898421
>No such thing
So what about hammers, nails, saws, mills, lathes, 3D printers, computers, trucks, cars, planes, helicopters, phones, houses, etc.

>>136900741
the power of right wing retard autism never ceases to amaze me

https://us.etrade.com/what-we-offer/our-accounts

>>136900873
Well objectively speaking, Bernie Sanders is not a fascist. Nor is Scandinavian fascist.

>big government ideology allegedly in favor of working class people and against bankers, seize private property of rich people, establish a big government with welfare, where there's a government alternative to almost all services in the free market
Which country did this? (Sign me up)

>>136900950
Haha, the stock market that's your answer?
>it's ok the plebs can buy an index fund that grows 5% a year, leave the 300% gains to us
I know for a fact you didn't even read the image I posted, look it up "accredited investor".

>>136900950
>i can't read and its your fault.

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>>136900741
>people are prohibited from investing by big government policies
>this shows why we need more big government policies and control
Always trust a commie to make a conclusion completely upside down to the facts at hand.

>>136896815
Capitalism incentivizes invention through rewards. It also enables the dissemination of new inventions via profit seeking companies There is a reason the USA made so many technological strides while the USSR crumbled.

>>136900950
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/06/05/how-to-invest-in-venture-capital.aspx

>In 2015, however, ordinary investors earned the right to invest directly in new companies without meeting the accredited investor standard. That's because of the crowdfunding regulations, which opened up the door to venture-capital-like investing to the masses. Under the rules passed in 2015 for the Jumpstart Our Business Startups Act of 2012, investors are allowed to invest up to $2,000 per year through equity crowdfunding. If 5% of the lesser of your annual income or net worth is greater than $2,000, then you can invest that larger amount.

>In order to get access to crowdfunded companies, various portals offer listings of those seeking financing, such as Indiegogo and MicroVentures. Different portals offer different minimums for investment, but you can sometimes find opportunities that involve investing as little as $100.

AMAZING how fortunate we are! The rich made it legal for us to invest $2,000 per year. WOW!

>>136901115
I did read your cap. Not the first time either.

You said

>Progressives literally made it illegal for poor people to invest


that's straight up wrong and retarded and you should know better than being so fucking stupid

>Capitalism doesn't reward hard work,

How would you know? You've never had an honest day's work in your life.

Saged and reported, stupid commies and their stupid threads, why couldn't all the communists have starved to death already? God damn scourge on humanity.

>>136901391
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/01/07/heres-what-americans-are-spending-on-lottery-ticke.aspx

>Americans spent $70 billion on lottery games in 2014. That's more than $300 per adult in the 43 states where lotteries are legal. In fact, Americans spent more on lottery tickets that year than they did on sporting events, movie tickets, books, video games, and recorded music.

Americans are allowed to waste $70 billion on lotteries, yet I can't invest in high risk venture! What the fuck is system? It's not capitalism that's for fucking sure.

>If you're too poor it's illegal for you to make these investments

>>136901413
>I can't read and its your fault

>>136901413
It's hyperbole faggot get a grip

>>136870053
Feudalism and mercantilism. Solved

>>136864340
In a globalized capitalist market, there is a contradiction, the consumer and the worker are one. The business wants him to be both poor (so he must work) and wealthy (so he can consume)
>>136870053
>nobody seems to have any sort of well-developed realistic alternative systems which aren't capitalism or communism.
Hitler did.
Also Feudalism has never once failed.

>>136901413
>>136901674
Sure, the poor can invest in index funds or their stock of choice. However, if they want to actually invest in a real start-up that can have more than 100% growth when it hits IPO, they're locked out from investing because of SEC regulations.

Ron Paul says kill the fed!

>>136901652
you right wing retards are so fucking stupid, you think poor people can't invest?

>Progressives literally made it illegal for poor people to invest

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>>136901791
When are Republicans changing these regulations?

if d1gits capitalism rulez

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>>136901335
This has been thoroughly proven wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag

Increased monetary reward caused poorer performance. So as to your statement "capitalism incentivizes invention through rewards" is blatantly wrong. If anything, rewards cause worse performance.

>There is a reason the USA made so many technological strides while the USSR crumbled.
USSR actually made many technological strides. They won the space race after all while the US was struggling to keep up.

>>136901873
meltdown

>>136902243
You have proven that you are the one who cannot read

What does this say?

>Progressives literally made it illegal for poor people to invest

>>136901873
Why are you such a disingenuous fuck? If I want to invest in any start-up I have to be an accredited investor. It's literally against regulations for me to invest in these ventures because of SEC regulations.
>>136901925
Hopefully soon, but Democrats hate poor people so they will obstruct it as long as possible.

>>136902338
having a meltdown

>>136902189
Nikola Tesla was literally a multimillionaire taking inflation into consideration. Didn't die impoverished, still had workers with him. Also lived in rich circles his entire life.

Meanwhile, Paris Hilton is a woman, and she is blonde, and she likes to display vanity, this means we should overlook her family of multiple generations of investors and financial people and judge her to not be deserving of her money.

Notice how manipulative a communist rat is. You literally can't trust anything they say.

>>136901105
Venezuela, Cuba

>>136901105
Also Nazi Germany

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>>136902338
Democrats and Progressive literally tax the shit out of poor people in exchange for the worst retirement plan ever. They hate poor people.

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>>136902366
>Hopefully soon

What are Republicans waiting for?

Lol Republicans don't give a shit about poor people. It's Democrats fighting for higher wages for poor people.

Nothing triggers right wing retard billionaire globalist shills like you more than Seattle having a $15/hour min wage, 2.5% unemployment and booming economy. That pisses you off. You actually think it's a bad thing.

>>136864340
Capitalism is not perfect, but it's the best system we have in this present time.

>>136901105
>Which country did this? (Sign me up)
Nazi Germany going around and seizing even gold teeth from wealthy jews. Fascist Italy. And other regimes you would claim to be right wing extremists. Are you seriously going full "wtf i love nazis now?!" unironically?

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>>136865943
No shit there's no wealth gap, everyone there is dirt poor.

>>136902643
Wow $15 min wage, I can be a wageslave my whole life! Thanks Democrats!

>>136866909
You can either create the idea. Manage the company. Or manage the money. A person who can do all three has never been born.

Saying your employees would be bad at business because they can't manage the money is literally irrelevant.

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>>136902587
says the billionaire globalist supercuck who spends his entire life fighting for lower wages for American workers

>>136902737
complete meltdown

>>136902818
I'm glad you support a $15/hour MINIMUM wage. That's a start.

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>>136864340
>Neither does communism or socialism

Capitalism is by no means perfect, but at least I won't starve to death or get sent to a gulag or be shot simply because chairman fuckface wanted to kill people that day.

Sage and hide people. These dirty communists will get the rope soon enough.

>>136902867
>x is bad
>y is also bad
>lol you didn't say y is bad so you support y

meltdown

>>136902982
Actually, the calorie intake of commies was higher, and even at its most oppressive, the amount of people in gulags was 0.8% of the total population. USA currently has 1%.

>>136864340
If you really wanted to be communist you would treat everything with that mindset.

If so, make your girlfriend/boyfriend communal and let everyone get a turn before you do.

Communism.
Enjoy.
Sage.

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>>136902933
>I'm glad you support a $15/hour MINIMUM wage. That's a start.
If you work your whole life you're still a fucking wage slave. Unless you can free yourself from labor itself, you're a slave. Democrats want to force all of us to be slaves. This is why they make investing in high-risk ventures illegal for the poor, because it could free them from their bondage. This is why they push for social security, a program with one of the worst ROI imaginable.

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>>136902643
Seattle's minimum wage increases simply resulted in cuts to hours and higher prices. The take home pay of the average minimum wage worker DECREASED. Surprise, margins among minimum wage businesses are already slim to none, and the vast majority of their costs tend to be wages. When the wages are mandated to increase, they simply trim that cost by any means necessary. Their unemployment rate and booming economy have nothing to do with their minimum wage. It's not the pizza joints serving office workers, it's the office workers themselves who are already earning vastly more than minimum wage.

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>>136903337
> This is why they make investing in high-risk ventures illegal for the poor,

protip: republicans do this too

>>136864340
Increased automation will lead to a depressing choice between welfare state or mass genocide. Capitalism's overwhelming success allowed that. Also communists aren't people.

>>136898421
I thought it could be? In the hypothetical situation I posited the wood being used was a material and also a means of production
I wasn't saying my body was a material rather it was a tool
I suppose the difference is that materials are turned into products whereas tools are used to do so and can be used again afterwards, while the wood (material) has been permanently changed into the finished product
obviously I'd think both tools and materials would be considered means of production as both are needed to make the products
Sorry comrade, I am rather confused, perhaps there is a communist dictionary you can direct me to so I can study these exact definitions, terms, and the standards they will be holding me to as a member of a communist society?

>>136903338
>social security is a scam
>but what about this unrelated data on wage increases! you must support low wages then! [buzzwords]

meltdown

>>136903646
Increased automation didn't force a choice between welfare and genocide in the industrial revolution. It didn't in the post-Ford era of mass production. It didn't in the era of computers. It won't in the era of advanced robotics and AI. You're a luddite.

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>>136903460
Seattle take home pay has increased, the economy is booming, unemployment has plummeted to 2.5%. Seattle workers absolutely LOVE their $15/hour min wage. The only people complaining about it are billionaire globalists and their right wing retard conservashit useful idiots.

UW minimum-wage study doesn’t reflect reality of work in Seattle
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

Honestly you right wing retards have made it clear you don't even understand what a labor market is. Wtf do u think happens at 2.5% unemployment? Wages rise, employers must offer better benefits, wages, full time hours, etc. Workers have the power. It's your worst nightmare.