So why can't we just bomb the shit out of them? Do we have

>>136802142
>asks question
>already knows answer

They have a shit-ton of conventional arms currently aimed and ready to level Seoul. We really don't want to trigger the death of 10 million people in one of our allied countries

>>136802142
Just bomb Guam and pretend it was the Norks so you can strike back at them.
No one will ever find out I promise

>>136802380
Just nuke L.A. And pretend it was North Korea

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>>136802142
>why can't we just bomb the shit out of them?
Because we are not alone in this world and that would piss off a lot of people around the world including our allies. This is why false flags exist, justification for war. So what is going to happen is, North Korea will strike because we will force their hand jjts like we did with Japan. When they strike, (((we))) will allow a US city to get hit with a nuke so that we can (((justify))) all our war with NK who BTW does not have a jew bank. Which city they allow to get hit? Beats me.. Sweet dreams.

>>136802203
well I don't know much about this sort of a thing

Dont need to, CIA can just do their usual false flag operation.

>>136802142
Because China does not want 10 million gook refugees on their border

>>136802621

Why allow several million to die for such a small piece of clay? The government justified the iraq invasion by only letting 2000 die.

>>136802283
we can't protect them from that? We can't just blow their shit up with an airstrike rendering it useless? Wouldn't they rather use their arms to defend themselves than attack south korea?

>>136802142
>half of north korea will be on the virge of complete starvation and they will offer to postpone the attack if they receive righteous amounts of grain. Which they will then sell to Chinese black market dealers and funnel the money into buying smg's from Russian arms dealers.

Nice.

>>136802283
so why can't we launch a massive first strike against their artillery emplacements

>>136802791
>>136802815
t. dick cheeney

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>>136802142
>So why can't we just bomb the shit out of them?
Because you are a weak country.

Other countries in the past would have striked pre-emptively given these circumstances. You have been vilifying them for decades.

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>>136802283
We know exactly where their artillery is. It could be eliminated in a heartbeat, but we don't do it because we're cucks.

>>136802142
because none of its real. guam decided it didnt like the united states any more not that long ago

the media can chimp out all they want. nothing is happening .

>>136802142
North Korea isn't going to do shit as usual

>>136802883
>you are a weak country
>says someone from germany

Aren't you a little too busy getting cucked by refugees?

>>136802142
How could anyone tell their leader that this is a good idea? The second they strike Guam, NK will be doomed.

>>136802883
There is much more at play, South Korea sure as fuck doesn't want a war and neither does China

Going in and Desert Storming North Korea could have extremely negative consequences for the world economy and the region, especially if a few nukes go off

Could we annihilate the North Korean military and infrastructure? Most definitely, but do we want to? Not yet

>>136802958
You didn't understand the post, did you?

Yes, you are a weak country. A strong country would strike pre-emptively. Germany is a weak country too, but it wasn't in the past.

Understand now?

>>136802915
I'm uncomfortable with the amount of hijabis in this pic.

>>136802142
ever wondered why this guy might be using the rhetoric that he is?
Maybe he wants the US to stop conducting joint war games on the Nkorean boarder
Maybe he sees this as an act of aggression and is responding in call..
Maybe your media is trying to convince you into yet another fucking war..
Maybe there have been peace offering that the US has rejected for almost 10 years now..

>>136802915

it's underground though

>>136802985
This is all media bullshit,it sounds exactly like the Iraq war propaganda...the fay gook would have to be a caligula tier leader to mess with the amerifats,besides the US will only enter best korea if China allows it

>>136802283
'Allied countries'

They are your allies because there is a chance for them to get the resources of north korea and you would get a slice of the cake. On the other hand an united south korea would oppose china and the current ties of north korea/russia/syria would vanish.

You are fucking warlords and they are flooding your country with degeneration, migrants, left propaganda to divide you while your own countrymen are dying in invasions of other cointries for the profit of your elites

This rotten nation is just hopeless and too stupid to ever notice how much they are being played

>>136802990
>Going in and Desert Storming North Korea could have extremely negative consequences for the world economy and the region

Could, would, should, etc. Who knows?

Fact is, strong countries have reacted to threats in the past. But America calls them bad names now, saying the pre-emptive striking were the worst war crimes in history.

>>136802990
>Could we annihilate the North Korean military and infrastructure?
Conventionally you can't do shit. Your military is so weak now, you cannot even win against a few backwards Arabs down in Syria and Iraq... after years and years!

State media said Hwasong-12 rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea about 30km (17 miles) from Guam, if the plan was approved by Kim Jong-un.

>30km from guam
>if approved

Fuck off.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372

>>136802142
>Do we have to wait for them to strike first?

Yes.
This is how politics work. The United States is seen as the more *mature* country (for lack of a better word). They're not supposed to attack small, insignificant countries like North Korea without a direct attack happening to them first, no matter how much cock waving the Kims do.
The entire neocon spectrum across the globe is probably waiting for NK to make a move so this situation can finally be over with. NK is honestly such an isolated place (just in comparison to gorilla groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, etc.) that were they dealt with swiftly and the Allies had a successful assassination on Kim Jong-un/a complete dismantling of the top echelons of NK government, whilst SK slowly took over political control of NK that the North Korea issue would become non-existent for any future generation.
Also, NK is too much of a political piece to make a swift move on either. It's always nice to keep people on their toes. Never be too comfortable.

>>136803229

you think south korea is flooding us with degeneracy? I would LOVE south korean pornstars. trust me, they are not the problem.

>>136803298
The middle east is about destabilisation, not winning a war and they did a great job in iraq, libya, yemen, ...
These countries don't matter - it is about limiting the resources for china/india

>>136803411
Read it again. It's the elites.

>>136802722
It's not just clay they gain with such a shock event.

>>136803411
Your elites are flooding your country with degeneracy

>>136803538
When did you nips all of a sudden Become nationalists again? Whatever you say cuck.

>>136803623
When they realized that their population decline is actually serious and there are literally 100k+ White Men itching to breed with their women. I am one of them.

>>136803623
We have always been nationalistic and your post shows a lack of general knowledge, mustafa.
America is supporting us in many ways, therefore we have to tolerate some of their enforced 'suggestions', but it is marginal and could be changed within weeks. We did not forget about the war nor are we indoctrinated

>>136802915
Why don't be hydrogen bomb or flat out Nuke first. Honestly if they shoot a missile over Japan and land it off waters near Guam I'd consider that an act of war. Every missile test should be viewed as an act of war. Just Nuke em. How could they attack back if we Nuke all the cities and military installations.

>>136802791

1. Their artillery is concealed inside caves deep within mountain ridges, protecting them from preemptive attack.

2. It only takes 45 seconds for artillery shells to hit Seoul, while it takes far longer for the U.S. bombers to reach the artillery launch site.

3. The estimate time required to completely disable NK artillery is several weeks. By that time, Seoul will be no more.

>>136803946
>their population decline is serious

Their population is fine. They're on a tiny island and they have half the population of the US. Perpetual population growth is impossible and undesirable.

>>136803088
Fuck them and fuck you. We shoulda nuked them 50 years ago and the chineese faggot. We shoulda nuked Russia too at the end of ww2. Your lucky we killed our own general faggot.

>>136803229
Yaaaaaaaaaa but we're about to metal gear solid Afghanistan. So that's like your opinion faggot.

>>136804213
Calm down, tough guy. Our nukes weren't even enough to get Japan to surrender, what makes you think we could have nuked the Soviets into submission?

The 'migration' is basically an easier way for foreigners to get a visa, but it is hard to get a permanent visa and they couldn't afford to stay here without plenty of money or a job.
We are implementing this stuff to our advantage - this is the huge difference

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>>136802283
>we don't want to kill 10 million asians

>>136802538
just nuke Londonstan and pretend it was muslims

>>136802142

Cause you cant alpha strike the country with one of the largest armies on the planet, bristling with air defence, dug in like a pack of hamsters and preparing for a total war for 50 years at will.

Every single one of these threads are just USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA shitposting to murifat hawks can feel good about themselves after failing to achieve meaningful strategic victory in Iraq and Afganistan, so they take out their frustrations on a country that very intentionally acts as a hate sink but has the the deterrent.

Fucking tired of all these north korea threads. They wont go to war. There will be no happening. Nukes are the ultimate anti-happening. Both sides will just shit to appease their own hawks and nothing ever will happen.

>>136804213
Take it easy bro. We didn't kill Patton a (((car wreck))) did.
>>136804314
I am curious on how the USSR infrastructure was post-Germany's surrender. I mean surely Eastern Europe all the way to Moscow must had been wiped away. A nuke on the red square would have crippled the country.

>>136804315
You think that Japan will ever allow dual citizenship?

Isn't preparation of this plan supposed to be a top secret infa? Why the fuck is some tabloid allowed to warn the enemy about an upcoming strike?

>>136804533
USSR was in ruins, their armies exhausted after 4 years of brutal war, and they were almost out of manpower by the end. Had they gone to war with the US immediately after, they would have lost.

>>136802915
It only takes 10 shells to decimate the city. Nothing will survive a barrage of several hundred shells.

>>136804533
We dropped two nukes on Japan and they didn't even flinch. Hell, neither nuke was even in the top five of our most devastating bombing raids of the past 6 months.

We have more advanced nukes now, but even they aren't enough to cripple a country without deploying hundreds of strategically placed bombs.

>>136804707
Yeah, this is why Japan surrendered immediately after the Soviet declared war, because the Soviets were on their last legs....

>>136804826
>being this retarded
Japan was already defeated. Their airforce and navy were in ruins, their merchant fleets were destroyed thus destroying their economy. Their ground forces would have offered fanatical resistance in the burned out ruins of their cities, but they would have been wiped away easily.
IIRC the Emperor wanted to surrender earlier but was prevented from doing so by the army.

>>136804826

Japan surrendered because we bombed the shit out of them. It wasn't just two atom bombs. It was weeks and weeks and months of hundreds of thousands of bombs hitting all of their major cities. We burned that country to the ground and they gave up because of it.

>>136804707

The soviets outnumbered the allies 10 to 1 in the european theatre(the one that matters) and had more troops in manchuria than americans in the entire pacific theatre.
>>136804790

Finally someone who knows about the Tokyo fire raid.

>>136804790

They surrendered less than two weeks after the atomic bombs were dropped.

>>136802142
Because they were preparing for that for almost 70 years. They have numerous bunkers in granite mountains. Basically whole NK is one giant military base.
Dude, it took 18 countries to rekt Iraq. I dont see how the fuck you will btfo NK and at the same time save SK, keeping China and Russia unprovoked.

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Tbh either Kim is literally retarded or this is media bullshit. Why would tbey wanna Fuck with us???? Smh

>>136802283

Just goes to show how much compassion white people have. If the situation was reversed and SK was the most powerful country in the world and NK was holding the US hostage with artillery, SK would blast them to hell as millions of Americans died.

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>>136802283
Typical burger spouting nonsense on a subject he knows very little about.

>>136804715
You're off by a factor of 4 but you're not wrong

>>136804193
Also this.
When shtf NK will be in Seoul in like 2-3 hours.

>>136802142
>do we have to wait for them to strike first
Yes. According to international moral law.

>will we
No.

>>136804999
>>136805031
>>136805123
>burgers still believe we wuz victors n sheeit

Our impact on the European Front was irrelevant in the scheme of things. Japan didn't even flinch after our two nukes hit them. They were used to bombing raids.

We have the records that show the Supreme Council didn't even discuss Hiroshima until two days after the attack, despite becoming aware of the severity immediately afterwards.

They knew they were beaten, but they were suing for peace. Their plan was to use the Soviets to diplomatically pressure America into accepting a treaty that was less than total surrender. Barring that, they would make the US invasion so bloody that America would be willing to talk terms rather than continue the siege.

Both plans went out the window when the Soviets declared war on Japan and invaded Manchuria. Japan had a peace agreement with the Soviets that was supposed to last until 1946, but the Soviets broke it early.

>>136804126
Do you remember the part were we btfo your entire country.
>>136804533
Yeah and jfk was shot by oswald. Srsly get off the meth. And screw some whites.

>>136803229
>This rotten nation is just hopeless and too stupid to ever notice how much they are being played
Said the Chinese

>>136805597

They were hoping in negotiating a separate peace with the soviets, or even a soviet intervention on their behalf but when Stalin declared war they knew its over and surrendered to avoid becoming a soviet satellite.

>>136802142
North Koreas is all Huffs and Puffs.
It's a shame, because I really wanted to see Kim hang.

>>136804126
>We did not forget about the war
You seem to have forgotten how it ended. Do we have to send Perry down there again?

>>136805440
>this post
a fucking leaf

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papa sierra zero nine

have a safe flight

>>136803229
t. admin of 維新memesYushin II: No commies allowed on facebook

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>>136805802
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0bTID5guuf7

>North Korea not relevant for decades
>Suddenly decide to start threatning them
>They make threats back
>"The only logical explanation is that we need to bomb them because they are evil"

Umm, so how many of you are going to sign up for the fighting then faggots?

>>136805724
I agree, although they had a peace deal with the Soviet that wasn't supposed to expire until 1946. The Soviets broke it early and fucked Japan. They're still technically at war with each other.

Sadly, burger education of WW2 consists of:
>Hitler killed alot of jews because he tricked Germans into making them scapegoats for the depression
>America came in and liberated Europe, the Soviets helped some too, though we had to give them all their equipment
>We nuked Japan and they surrendered

>>136805381
so why're we still defending them?

>>136804508
This is true but I can still dream of Nuclear fire washing away this world and everything in it, myself included.

>>136805440
But he's right. Nork artillery would flatten Seoul. We could TRY a pre-emptive surgical strikes but it would basically require us to instantly knock out their communications and simultaneously knock out all of their artillery, oh and we would have to do it from complete secrecy. And unfortunately, Aircraft carriers are kind of noticeable.

>>136805597
>Barring that, they would make the US invasion so bloody that America would be willing to talk terms rather than continue the siege.

That was their intention but i'm not sure you're not underestimating how platinum mad the US was about Pearl Harbour. I think they would have slaughtered their way up and down every inch of that god forsaken island taking all the casualties in the world if they had to - or just fucking flatten all of it with repeated atomic strikes reducing Japan to an irradiated no-go zone

>>136804715
>It takes 10 shells to decimate a city
Only if the shells are nuclear.

>>136803352
>They're not supposed to attack small, insignificant countries
Since when?

But seriously, a preemptive strike may be the "mature" thing to do. Politics is a means of war. Always has been, even if your country chooses to believe it only means diplomacy.

>>136805987
Pearl Harbor was an excellent propaganda tool, but I don't think Americans had much taste for suffering 2-3 million casualties for a war that was secondary to the already ended European Theatre.

Ultimately, we really didn't have much of a reason to be mad about Pearl Harbor. We were blockading their oil shipments and funding the Chinese army. FDR needed an excuse to jump into WW2 and Pearl Harbor was a convenient excuse. There's alot of talk about whether FDR deliberately ignored warning signals about the attack. I haven't looked into those allegations, but it wouldn't be inconsistent with the general trend at the time.

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>>136802722
We killed tens of thousands of Iraqis during the war.
>>136802990
This. This is just them desperately begging for more rice and oil.

What really worries me is a internal collapse. The biggest WMD they have is the humanitarian crisis that happens after a regime change. 25M peasants with no God emperor begging for rice and cabbage. Fucking nobody wants to take responsibility for that.

>>136805987

>Nork artillery would flatten Seoul.

Not to mention nuclear artillery is a thing too. Plus the norks could always go for a samson option and nuke Beijing and Tokyo and let the ripple effect crash the world market.

>We could TRY a pre-emptive surgical strikes but it would basically require us to instantly knock out their communications and simultaneously knock out all of their artillery

There is just too much, and they are too prepared for a surgical strike. Thats the entire point, they want to fight a WW2-style mass clusterfuck with millions of men and tens of thousands of vehicles and planes instead of a neat, quick, clean surgical war. They are also very willing to deploy nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and fanatically fight till the end. No american president is going to draft and ship over the required 2-3 million american soldiers to put down such a threat when they arent going to do anything except talking shit.


>That was their intention but i'm not sure you're not underestimating how platinum mad the US was about Pearl Harbour. I think they would have slaughtered their way up and down every inch of that god forsaken island taking all the casualties in the world if they had to - or just fucking flatten all of it with repeated atomic strikes reducing Japan to an irradiated no-go zone

Based on the dogged resistence on Okinawa and Iwo Jima, invading the mainland would have been a nightmare. Even the most optimistic predictions calculated the war would last atleast till 1948 and take millions of americans losses.

>>136805597
The Soviets made a deal with the allies to invade Japan 3(?) months after Germany's defeat. If anything, the nukes were dropped to force Japan to surrender before the Soviet invasion due to the Cold War and the fact that Soviets weren't going to give up captured Japanese land. The idea that the American invasion would come at a high cost of American lives is a meme made up by politicians to justify using the nukes. Japan wouldn't have had the power for that kind of resistance; their whole navy was destroyed, their airforce was falling apart, over a million troops were stranded abroad, and they were going to be invaded by two superpowers simultaneously. Not much resistance you can put up under those circumstances.

>>136802142

They have been saying shit like this for decades, its just another lure to force other countries to give them aid.

If you attack you seem like the bad guy internationally, and they can go running to daddy china and mother russia for help and before you know it we have WW3.

Keep your heads cool america, if they ever attack guam, its just guam, and then you can peacefully level that entire shithole without anybody caring or even helping you.

Jesus these threads are perfect exampled of how smart people think they are and how little they actually know.

>>136806415
The nukes didn't have their intended effect. Japanese leaders didn't flinch after either bomb. Hell, discussions on Hiroshima were put off until the 9th because they were too busy talking about the Soviet invasion.

The idea of a bloody invasion was a very real possibility until the Soviets came in. The Japanese were hoping they could keep control of some of their conquered territory after the war, but once they realized the Soviets were coming in from the north, they realized they were fucked.

It's interesting to see the way the Emperor blamed the defeat on the nukes as a way to maintain legitimacy among his people. By publicly blaming the nukes for his defeat instead of conventional warfare, he was able to paint the loss as something he couldn't have foreseen.

>>136802142
I wonder if NK will televise the strategy first.

>>136805987
No he isn't right because the norks longest range artillery can only hit the northern suburbs of Seoul which are the least densely populated. Would there be casualties? Yes not fucking 10 million, a few thousand at most. Would Seoul be flattened? No but the northern burbs would have damage.

>>136802142
You deserve to be nuked for all your crimes, you are the servant of Israel and the enemy of the white man.

I brought this up in the last thread but why can't we sanction the shit out of China until they agree to not intervene?

>>136802958
>lol germany is weak!
You do know that Germany pretty much controls the EU based on the fact that everybody owes them money right?

There's more than one way to gain power
>Lol just bomb them
>have one 9-11
>dwell on it for decades nevar 4get muh terrorists
>lol lets just bomb other people based on their politician's posturing

Can't wait till the first nukes fall on you stupid cunts.

It will never ever happen there is 0 reason for NK to do it you guys are retarded

>>136802283
>We really don't want to trigger the death
'We don't want to make that poor dindu shoot that girl he's holding hostage do we?'. Cunts like you blame the cop for shooting the rapist.

>>136802142
Your shitposting skills are inferior to others I have stumbled upon. Stop posting and realise that all war is just a hoax and nothing of that kind ever existed only stupid people with weapons bashing other stupid people.

>>136802142
Because theres no money to be made in striking and ending it

The money comes from the unending occupation of multiple defense contractors. Until a plan is put in place for an occupation that China and russia accept, there will not be a war

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>>136807066
Hit the areas with the biggest blue bars and the problem is solved.

>>136802283
>so let's trigger the death of a few hundred thousand Americans instead

>>136805443
>>136805993
The shells doesn't need to be nuclear. Guess what else is known for causing an insane amount of causalities.

>>136802142
NK wont attack guam

It would be a completely pointless gesture and provocation.

They are just getting ready to do it incase US decides to invade/attack.

>>136807522
Oh shit are we airdropping niggers?

>>136802142

USA should just tell them to do it.

"Don't talk about it Kim, do it."
"DO IT!"
"Do it so we can retaliate and reduce your entire country to ashes"
"What are you waiting for, shut-up and do it"

Then await their response.
I would do the same to ISIS, challenge them to a set-piece battle at a time and place they can announce. Get everyone together on a large plain, as the ISIS prophecy states. The whole thing would be over in milliseconds. Just drop 100 daisycutter bombs on them then finish up with a million gallons of Napalm-B. Job tone.

>>136807379
or just California to kill all those Jews running Hollywood with their PC garbage

>>136807776
>don't talk about it, do it

>>>r/niggerculture

Why the fuck do all North Korea threads devolve into childish fantasies of us nuking North Korea?
My bet is that we will go to war, since not only has the media been pushing the evils of North Korea especially hard in the recent weeks, but also Trump seems to be willing to go in a fuck shit up. There is no way in hell that the United States will use a nuclear weapon in this war, especially not first. If you think the world was mad at us for Iraq in 2003, wait until you see what happens when we use a nuclear weapon on a sovereign country.

>>136807760
Unlike the US, north korea doesn't have a nigger stockpile.

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>>136808000
Not yet. Wait til we send in a few million doctors and engineers to help them rebuild.

"Artillery is not that lethal," says Anthony Cordesman, who holds the Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), and is a national security analyst for ABC News. "It takes a long time for it to produce the densities of fire to go beyond terrorism and harassment." Even in a worst-case scenario, where both U.S. and South Korean forces are somehow paralyzed or otherwise engaged, and North Korea fires its 170mm artillery batteries and 240mm rocket launchers with total impunity, the grim reality wouldn't live up to the hype. Buildings would be perforated, fires would inevitably rage and an unknown number of people would die. Seoul would be under siege—but it wouldn't be flattened, destroyed or leveled.

>>136802142
Last I checked the US wasn't Guam. Looks like guams problems. Isn't the world tired of us being the policemen?

>>136808000
says the union of niggers

>>136804508
iraq and afganistan were just trying to fuck on the sly. we want their resources and dont want to completely fuck up infrastructure so we can do business there. if we went in with the intention to level everything it would happen within a week. then it would be china and south koreas problem.

>>136802791

They have 100,000 artillery pieces locked and loaded at Seoul. The last estimate I heard was it would take our air power 48 hours to take them all out. Millions will die.

>>136802283
They can all hide in their basements....its not like these rockets will be equipped with nukes

>>136808076
They will get enough doctors and engineers when they conquer South Korea.

>>136802815
i think is because is too close to s. Korean civilian zones, you know collateral damage

>>136806417

> Implying anything the Norks can do can hit Guam

>>136802883

This is why Germany loses wars. They don't consider their allies when they plan a war.

>>136808262
>100,000

no need to exaggerate like that lad, the 10,000-15,000 pieces they have is more than enough to level half the city.

>>136808441

Shit, did I just leak intel on 4chan?

Nah. Probably just added a zero.

>>136808262
Got a source on the 100k artillery pieces? Stop talking out of your ass. Are all /pol/tards this stupid?

>>136802700
oh god, no. Please dont say that. at least we can try to talk down kim, but the CIA will do it because it has to....

>>136808576
your ass is on the line, not ours

>>136808241

>go into Iraq and Afganistan trying to crack down on islamic terrorism
>islamic terrorism is more prolific then ever
>the taliban essentially controls Afganistan again and Iraq turned from a secular state into a sectarian fanatic breeding ground
>over three trillion dollars down the drain

>"but what if we tried to start a total war in chinas neighborhood! There is no way that could backfire on us!"

Also, shock and awe failed, even in Iraq, despite arabs being the worlds worst soldiers.

>>136808683
If thats the way you think, you shouldn`t be using that kekistan flag, try antifa, redditfag.
>"your ass is on the line, not ours"
such a cuck statement.Guam was always loyal to the US even during the occupation. people like you are why some people hate americans.

>>136808906

I highly doubt anything we can do in Nork can make it worse than Nork will be if we don't. This isn't Ghaddafi who was generally compliant and willing to trade.

>>136802722
You underestimate the greed of the Jew.

>>136802142
Because u wait for your jew master order to attack

>>136808906
To be fair, WW1 and WW2 had less rules on how to fight.

Like WW1 was so unrestricted in warfare, it inspired Lord of the Rings

>>136809141

Or, rather, you. We can't do shit, because we're a tiny ass irrelevant country.

>>136805381
Being this deluded.

>>136808172 Sorry I know you didn't ask for this.

Well as part of the campaign to stop the spread of communism the us gov got in the middle of a communist revolution in Korea.
War began the US and South Korean forces were successfully pushing up toward the Chinese border when 100,000 chinese troops joined the DPRK and pushed us south to the 38th parallel. The US public was not interested in any war at the time having WWII a not so distance memory and the entire engagement was not well publicized.
The war never ended and the US and NK signed an armistice.
So this means since that time we have been at war with NK but in a state of cease fire.
This was never settled or finished after all these years and now we are stuck with a country at war with us who is developing nuclear weapons strike capabilities.
Given enough time their goal could be a MAD style deterrent with the US. Many nuclear weapons having been built. They could be put on the black market for example and sold to actors even less predictable then North Korea.
Right now this outcome can be influenced in other directions however the window is closing.
These problems have been growing for many years and the can just keeps getting kicked down the road. A road where everyone knows leads to a fully nuclear capable North Korea. What President in his right mind would get into this mess if they can let their term pass, when there is time to let someone else get stuck with it. A restart of a hotwar with the DPRK will be catastrophic war the likes of which this generation has yet to experience. Time has ran out. Choices must be made now or the US must accept North Korea as a full Nuclear power. If that choice is to end it, then every day that passes only allows them more capability.

>>136802283
>implying this is a problem
Let them level SK then do your business as usual.

>>136804193
lol idiot. NK would be smashed in a few hours. a few shells would hit Seoul, but nothing large

>>136804136
Who doens't say China won't like their neighbours nuked. Fallout can fuck asia and oceania and maybe europe up too. Not something any sane person is wanting. If we attack (which is a risky thing to do) we should use manpower. No nukes. The suvvillians aren't the baddies.

>>136809141

Nork is not going to actually DO anything just talk shit and pretend they are dangerous. In a way they are in a perfect symbiosis with clapistan, justifying eachothers existence and actions.

>>136809322

Its not the rules, but the mindset, willingness and doctrine. Western countries simply cannot be goaded into fighting another WW because our standards of living are too high, and men are too emasculated to go for an all-out showdown again.

I'm just happy NA finally gets to win some e-"sports" titles after all the Koreans are wiped off the map.

>>136802283
>assumes the Norks will attack their own people

>>136810925

Oh, come on. Maybe I'd have believed that but their nukes are real and they're even more totalitarian than any Islamic state. It's probably better to live in an ISIS-controlled territory than in NK

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>>136802142

>>136811235

>It's probably better to live in an ISIS-controlled territory than in NK

How the fuck is that related to anything I've said?

>Maybe I'd have believed that but their nukes are real and they're even more totalitarian than any Islamic state

So? They want deterrence like any rational actor would do. Literally all of their actions were very rational to this point, even their constant bluster about muh war.

>>136808262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY9gojFu-_U

>>136802683
Layers upon layers of perfidious machinations.

Do
You actually think the government is worried about a country that can barely support itself? SK alone could
Resist the north. This is political. The rhetoric, the war shilling.

Google "The Creel Commission".

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>>136802142
The whole NK thing is dumb as a box of rocks.They are building up an arsenal of weapons to attack the US and its allies and have made numerous threats that they will not stop.

Diplomacy has not worked, it just strengthened their resolve further. So what? We can't attack first or "Omg mah artillery, millions ded" ? What if they just said fuck it an lit if off right now? Then what? Either way if North Korea continues, millions will die, there is nothing you can do about it. If they attack first, millions die, if we attack first millions die. So really what are we waiting for? Why not just pull the fucking trigger already?!

Hesitation does nothing but get everyone killed.

>>136812345

Nukes are not offensive weapons but deterrents.

Retired SOCOM here.
Do you not think we our spec-ops prepared and ready to kill??

Tell me, please on how you actually believe a missile launch would take place.

>>136812533
They should be a last resort. Though if you knew a person that sat next to you and kept stabbing you in the side with a pencil, what will you do? Punch him in the face? What if he now pulls a gun and says "nah ah ah, I shoot you." then he just keeps on jabbing away. What now? Do you just bend over and take it like a bitch or do do something about it?

This asshole can not only attack you but the other people in the room, and the thing is, you don't want him to get back up if you do knock him out.

Put that into context of Korea and the situation is just the same. What is he deterring? That we don't blow him to kingdom come? Yet he keeps making open threats that he will attack us? Korea wants us dead and everyone else that is our allies and for what? this isn't a negotiation or bargaining chip. They have failed at diplomacy and want war.

I say light them up.

>>136813185

>What is he deterring? That we don't blow him to kingdom come?

Exactly that. You cant anymore.

>Korea wants us dead and everyone else that is our allies and for what? this isn't a negotiation or bargaining chip. They have failed at diplomacy and want war.


Are you really this stupid?

>>136813346

But seriously, you thin they won't shoot. That's a possibility. But that's why they're not doing any pre-emptive strikes. They don't want to be the ones escalating.

But if they do try to nuke Guam, expect a crater where Nork used to be.

>>136812345
Numbers of countries attacked by NK: 0
Numbers of countries attacked by USA : 3 digit number

>>136813486
They won't attack Guam
They even released a Canadian prisoner as goodwill yestrrday
The MSM is lying hard

>>136813678

I think the US knows that. But Trump cannot afford to look weak. This isn't projecting outwards, this is a direct threat to the US.

"Don't fuck with us" is literally the least that should be expected from any US President. But of course DRUUUUUUUMPF

>>136802142
Not sure how much is true but this was interesting:

>>136806216

>>136814209

Its just your regular HAPPENING faggotry..

>>136802621

Seattle is my guess.

Americans are a very bloodthirsty and violent people. They have never experienced more than 9 continuous years of peace.

>>136813346
Then please enlighten me, because as I see it, we had no reason to blow them up till they started their escapade of, "we make nuke nao."

So seriously, what is the need for at nuke, they could of tried better diplomacy like China did but instead put themselves at greater peril and resentment from the ENTIRE world.

And again enlighten me on behalf of how they have NOT made open threads of war? Claiming that they WILL nuke the US and WILL attack us? Do you open board meeting negotiations with, "Oh I just fired all of our distribution staff for no damn reason what so ever. Could I get a raise now?" How dumb are you?

>>136813590
3?

I am sure that number is wrong, by how much I have no idea but much higher than that I am sure.

It would be dumb if NK does attack Guam, but I think like most of the NK missle tests, which they landed near Japan, NK will try to land them near Guam. It is no more than playing chicken to see what they can get away of and nothing more than a provocation towards the US.

Test or no Test, the US will respond however as do you really want to be dumb as Peter? Wolf, Wolf, Wolf, Peter did cry and noone came. Then when the wolf finally came, Peter was eaten because no one came.

Every threat is taken seriously by the US, but what will happen afterwards is anyone's guess.

>>136807760
Top kek

>>136815112
No happening in there- points to me seemed reasonable.

It's an anti-happening post

>>136815922

Are you seriously that much of a bluepilled retard to go by propaganda instead of doing the most basic game theory and cost benefit analysis?

>we had no reason to blow them up

You've tried and failed because China wanted a convenient proxy to fuck with you. Then you got burned in vietnam so the whole thing got shelved.

>till they started their escapade of, "we make nuke nao."

Cause once they have nukes, they are completely impervious to invasion. You will be forced to deal with nork shit forever.

>So seriously, what is the need for at nuke, they could of tried better diplomacy like China did but instead put themselves at greater peril and resentment from the ENTIRE world.

Their diplomacy is perfect, dumbass. It has kept them afloat for decades instead of collapsing like a mini-SU , extorting gibs from western states in return for calming their shit down for a while. Thats the entire point of their sabre rattling. What, you thought homefront is real and they are going to invade america?

>And again enlighten me on behalf of how they have NOT made open threads of war? Claiming that they WILL nuke the US and WILL attack us?

From the pedantry corner: they are AT war with sorks, they are just having a long ceasefire. Also, yes it makes perfect sense if they wanted nuclear brinkmanship and some payments in return of standing down.

>>136802142
2 reason. 1) is that nuking NK make spark another war. And while NK has no chance in beating the US, China and Russia are more than capable to nuke every single city in the US to pieces. That is the state of modern war, mutual destruction.
2) The US really doesn't want to be the ones to start another war. They have gained such a bad reputation for starting wars, then withdrawing and leaving a total mess behind for others to clean up in the last 70 years that they don't want to be held responsible again. If the US does attack, NK will take it out on SK and SK will blame the US.

>>136802142
North Korean peasants are low IQ cattle who didn't ask to live in a dictatorship. Sure we could level the place, but by doing so murdering millions.

>>136802142
If we do Chyna will stop making all our useless consumer garbage.

>>136804213
The only one on the planet who needs to get nuked is your fucking retarded country.

>>136816791
Yes we tried once and failed in the Korean War and Vietnam. We backed off, they backed off and everyone went their separate ways. The world put them in isolation like Cuba. Did the Norks collapse? No. But we sure as hell didn't bother them again and they didn't bother anyone else for a while either.

How is their diplomacy perfect when as you say, "they rattling their sabers" Seriously do you go into work, curse out and dog cuss your boss in front of everyone then ask for a raise in pay? How dumb are you? I am not saying that any country should have to bow down to any other but you really should be picking fights with anyone either, especially when your allies are far and few between.

And yes, I know that NK and SK are technically still at war. Thing of the matter is that neither side has tried to warm up their relations, instead it has become colder. Now we are at another cold war.

You say that NK was put on the back shelve well why would we of had a reason to even go back? If NK is the "good goys" as you claim then why even threaten and poke the hornets nest? Why all the provocation?

And what is Homefront?? some NSA bull shit?

>>136818770

You seriously dont get international diplomacy and how the norks use brinksmanship to extort "international aid"

Every single cost benefit analysis comes up with the solution that its better to pay them off rather than risking an all out war, nukes are just a part of this.

>You say that NK was put on the back shelve well why would we of had a reason to even go back? If NK is the "good goys" as you claim then why even threaten and poke the hornets nest? Why all the provocation?

Cause SK started out as an american vassal state and still remains an important ally. If the supposed superpower is unable or unwilling to protect its ally the whole american global empire falls apart and american infuence takes a huge hit.

It's time for the nuclear apocalypse. Bombs away my friends.

>>136819789
So what you are saying is that the North Koreans are trying to use their nukes, and demand for tribute unto them? Extortion more or less? How is that better than trying to warm up relations with your neighbors? If you are talking economics here, where heavy sanctions have been put on NK, bullying your way around isn't doing anything but pissing everyone off and what allies they do have aren't willing to stand up for them forever.

Take China for example, it is doing much better than ever because it has warm relations with Russia and the US as well as most of europe. China has become a huge global producer of goods and it realized this early enough to have every nation by the gonads because we heavily rely on their exports.

Looking back at North Korea, where is the provocation going to take them?

Unlike the Cold War with the USSR, where they were a superpower to be trifled with, NK is just a small remnant that doesn't have the full support nor military capability any more. The USSR collapsed, the countries that remain such as China and Russia are looking at NK as they have other agendas more important than to support them any longer or get involved.

So you are saying with your second point that NK thinks that if they attack our allies, we won't defend them and look like the fool? Even if they draw first blood, we will come at them 10 fold so what is their game?

Did they never hear the phrase, "You catch more flies with honey than with Vinegar"?

>>136802142
It's all scripted.

>>136802142
With the eyes of the international community glaring over the matter, never punch first. We outgun him in every way imaginable. If we struck first we would be harangued and sanctioned out the ass. In cases like this, being proactive is not worth the super powers up our ass. We have to be reactive; prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

>>136802142
If they bomb us first the entirety of NATO has to BTFO NK

>>136802716
who cares? china's the only deveroping nation both savage and technically advanced enough to carry out real genocide. we need to play the chinks against each other so they do their part in solving the population crisis.

>>136802142

, you're the ones starting this war, as if the American populace is willing to go to war every 10 years or so, you're all so so stupid. Isn't the real reason the US wants war with North korea is because they don't have a rothschilds own bank. It's really funny to see American get all excited to be useful pawns(aka good goys) at the expense of the elite.

The American people know they've been lied to just to send them to war, yet they tend to forget very quickly, sadly.

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>>136802142
>Mid-august
But I'm mad now

>>136822219

>So what you are saying is that the North Koreans are trying to use their nukes, and demand for tribute unto them? Extortion more or less?

They have been doing that for decades.


>How is that better than trying to warm up relations with your neighbors?

Because without foreign funding nork style brutal communism falls. Even now they are having famines.

>bullying your way around isn't doing anything but pissing everyone off

Thats the exact reason they are getting paid off, to stop that.

>and what allies they do have aren't willing to stand up for them forever.

They dont need allies anymore when they have nukes.


I'm getting real bored of explaining the same geopolitical situation thats simple as a stick for the fourth time.

Also, triple lel for comparing a tiny shithole like norks to china, an actual country and a geopolitical threat.

>>136822807

Hope Tonga sends its 55 man contingent again, shit was Tropico tier.

>>136802283
Nothing else we can do. We should have a first strike to take them out. Best possible scenario.

>>136823269
>flag
>not understanding the US has a war based economy
>not understanding a military industrial complex
Don't you have a female penis to be sucking?

How about a convert, black ops to assassinate Kim and any of his most powerful lackeys?

>>136823751

You're Israels bitch haha

Nice strawmans though.

>>136802915

>says the /pol/'s military master mind

>>136823520
I am just trying to understand your point of view because I can not see at all how North Korea by bullying every other nation wont just have those nations glass their asses.

Seriously, every nation tries to look out for numero uno but with Korea trying to bully their way to the top with nukes, I think every other nation is just going to flip them the bird and say to fuck off.

And then what? What of their Brink man tactics? If they dont' get what they want, they nuke? What if we just say, "Go ahead and do it faggots." Then what is NK going to do? Have a tantrum ? They attack anyone, and EVERYONE will attack nukes or no nukes they will be glassed.

Again, What do they gain? You explained their tactics in detail but to me it is a failing one and doesn't work when there is no on there but themselves. What is their reasoning behind their tactics?

>>136802142
YES GOYIM,WAGE WAR ON SHITTY KOREA SO THAT WE CAN FINALLY IMPLANT OUR BANKS IN IT !

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank: Afghanistan. Iraq. Sudan. Libya. Cuba. North Korea. Iran.... now because of united state of mutts its down to 3 : cuba,NK and Iran.

USA YES !

>>136812660
Exiting the game after a few rounds of MP doesn't mean you retired, anon.

>>136802142
Guam is used to make attack potions.

>>136802142
You need to have casus belli to start an armed conflict. So hard Norks have only been flexing their arms and have done nothing to start a war.

>>136802142
Because their big bro China is right there
And they'll be the end of us

If they beat the drums of war it's over. Trump will try to sway Putin to our side believing his presidency is more than a puppeteering act so it won't work, they'll side with their communist allies. We'll be a smoldering irradiated mess

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>Kim Jong-un has threatened to fire off nukes!
>Wait, hasn't he said this before?
>Yeah about 49 times.
>Well, so this is nothing new, just disregar-
>He just said it again, that makes it 50!
>Oh shit, give me the launch codes!

>>136825423
Firing missiles over Japan which land a few tens of kms away from Guam would result in a 50/50 chance of a strike on NK.

>>136802883
shouldn't it be ihr? volk refers to more than one person right?

>>136809812
if it was that easy, we would have done it. This is America were talking about here, we LOVE fucking peoples shit up for less reasons than Kimchee has given us.

>>136825647
This time he has built warheads small enough to put on rockets, and he has been firing off rockets to demonstrate their range.

>>136807522
You are a big fucking idiot. 10 arty rounds would at maximum cause several hundred casualties.

>>136826298
He's talking about chemical weapons, dipshit.

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>>136807776
>Napalm-B.

Idiot...

>>136802142
I hope you lose desu.

>>136802142

>Media is bullshit fake news when they put something against Trump

>Media is 100% correct and honest when (insert any nation Israel does not like) is an immediate existential threat to murica

Pick one you fucking mongrels

>>136802283
This. We would have to win the war in a matter of minutes.

>>136827049
I think a nuclear first strike that takes out all their known positions could forestall the first barrage on Seoul. Of course, it would have to coincide with a massive evacuation from the city, which I suppose would tip off the Norks. Also you need to keep in mind that they've been tunneling and building underground bunkers for sixty damn years.

My dad's in Guam :(

>>136802142
Because Trump is president and he has too much shit to deal with as it is. He can't be the one to start a nuclear war.
Hillary would have nuked them already and everyone in the US would have applauded.

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>>136802621
>nuke Detroit
>real estate prices increase

>>136802815
because no one wants to go to war, and it is EXTREMELY bad to be the aggressor on an international scale

>>136825826
Volk is singular, just like People can be.

>>136806303
What anime is that?

>>136829032
This

>>136827825
>some people
>a people

I always liked this kind of word

>>136805440
Do you even history. leaf?

There is more to like other than throating great danes you know....

>>136830623
I'm well versed, are you?

>>136829032
>>136829586
ideon.

>>136802283
>have war
>war never officially ends
>build up major city 10 miles from the DMZ for 60 years

I feel bad why again?

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Because you're too busy killing white Europe, amerimongrel.

any kind of large scale attack on best korea would almost certainly lead to an attempt to drop a nuke on seoul. their air force might be a joke, but they still have dozens of jet powered bombers that could be over seoul in about 5 minutes flat. you can't guarantee that one won't make it through. that's all assuming they can't put a warhead on a missile.

>>136813590
They invaded south Korea

>>136802716
Basically this. China will put a stop to Kim if they have to--through invasion if necessary--and install a different puppet. They are not going to allow a unified Korea peninsula because that would put the US right on their border.

>>136802915
There are insufficient assets in the region to conduct the kind of massive simultaneous strike needed. It could be done but you'd hear about a massive build up first.

BECAUSE TRUMP IS A WEAK PUSSY MAN!
SAD!