Genuinely on the fence with which way ill place my vote, should

There has never been a good argument against muh slippery slope. It is just an ingrained part of the human condition, not really that controversial that if we don't maintain some standards then others will fall. Just look at how society has degraded since the 60's, a few of our core institutions and traditions were knocked out and its been a gradual decline ever since.

I suppose its a simple to say 'if we allow fag marriage then people will want to marry their cousins', even tho that's just correctly pointing out that the exact same arguments can be used to justify both. But really the slippery slope is on a larger resolution, everything and everyone is declining in morals.

Fag marriage does not exist in a vacuum, they ask you to give up a bit of our history and tradition here, but they forget the day before they were asking us to give up this other part of our history/culture/tradition and tomorrow it will be something different again. Every day they chip away at Western Civilisaton, bit by bit the walls are crumbling. On its own, fag marriage probably isn't that big of an issue, but its not on its own, its just the latest in a long line of subversive political causes.

>>136797045
Absolutely not. Divorce shouldn't be legal either. Marriage is a bond sacred to many religions, and it shouldn't be lowered to status of a non-binding contract. If you're non-religious and get married, you're only doing it to stick it to the tax man and I hate you.

>>136797272
Very well said aussbro

>>136797272
You already can marry your cousin, aunt, uncle, niece or nephew in mainland Australia, but not in Tasmania where it's second cousins or further only.

You're fukken welcome.

>>136797272
This, don't do it. After they legalize the fag marriage then the tranny bathroom nonsense will start, after that well it's anyones guess what these sick fucks will promote.

>>136797045
No because they dont want equality they want the masses to submit to their social engineering in schools . Then comes transkids, more liberals, social experiments and now theyre trying to blur age of consent laws and having pedophile activists. Dont do it anon. Biggest mistake ever

>>136797272
>There has never been a good argument against muh slippery slope.

That it is logically fallacious and there have been no legalizations of incest or pedophilia anywhere that has adopted gay marriage.

>>136797045
In 2005 they told us gay marriage would be the end of the conversation. They told us all this talk about trannies, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. was just paranoia and slippery slope fallacies.

Look at us a decade later. Don't fall for their lies. No country has stopped at gay marriage. They just keep pushing for more disgusting things. They will never stop.

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Homosexuals deserve an equal opportunity to be happy.

/pol/ will proceed to eviscerate me now, but look into your heart anon. You know it to be true.

>>136797678
Name a country that legalized gay marriage and subsequently reduced the age of consent.

>>136797763
>Homosexuals deserve an equal opportunity to be happy.
Okay, how about we put all homosexuals into therapy so that they can get over the molestation and rape that 90% of them suffered as children?

>>136797755
Nobody is talking about pedophilia or bestiality though except you.

>>136797763

My heart believes that disease spreading perverts and child molesters are wicked beasts who need to be executed.

>>136797841
But that has been proven not to work.

>90%

Bullshit

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>>136797763
>marriage is an opportunity to be happy.

the legal marriage process it is a financial transaction and nothing to do with love or happiness at all. What's to stop you holding a wedding and wearing a ring without doing all the paperwork? Just money. Just. Money.

>>136797899

Shut your filthy cock sucking mouth you perverted faggot.

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>>136797045
>I'm voting no
>unless you vote no then your vote will be wasted as mine will counter it
Don't throw away your vote!

>>136797841
Don't use your own anecdotal evidence to generalise for all gays.

>>136797899
Not bullshit. Most gays are "introduced" as children.

>>136797999
>It is not unscientific to make a guess, although many people who are not in science think it is. Some years ago I had a conversation with a layman about flying saucers — because I am scientific I know all about flying saucers! I said “I don’t think there are flying saucers”. So my antagonist said, “Is it impossible that there are flying saucers? Can you prove that it’s impossible?” “No”, I said, “I can’t prove it’s impossible. It’s just very unlikely”. At that he said, “You are very unscientific. If you can’t prove it impossible then how can you say that it’s unlikely?” But that is the way that is scientific.

>It is scientific only to say what is more likely and what less likely, and not to be proving all the time the possible and impossible. To define what I mean, I might have said to him, "Listen, I mean that from my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence." It is just more likely. That is all.

t. Richard Feynman

From my own experiences, and the experiences of all around me, I can say with high confidence that most gays are mentally unstable.

Do you want science?

Gays are twice as likely to drink at dangerous levels. Gays are multiple times more likely to divorce than Heterosexuals. Gays have a higher mental illness rate than Heterosexuals. Gays have a higher suicide rate than Heterosexuals.

>>136797385
THIS. UNIRONICALLY.
FUCK PEOPLE WHO GET MARRIED AND ARENT RELIGOUS

whay kind of degenerate cares about whom consenting adults marry? get a life

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>>136797863
Name one country where gay marriage didn't escalate into more perverted shit like tranny bathrooms, pedo rights, fag adoption, etc. Name just one country where the fags meant it when they said "all we want is to get married".

Hard Mode: Don't try using countries that legalized marriage a year ago like that faggot from the other thread. Even though he was still proven wrong.

We're all familiar with these people. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Stop the gay parades here in this great southern land.

>>136798162
You have no evidence that abuse or molestation cause homosexuality. Meanwhile, I have a ton that it is a mixture of genetic + epigenetic causes.

>>136798162
>Live in a society that is overwhelmingly hostile to your way of life
>Be mentally unstable
Hmmmmm, really made me think...

>>136797728
is this faggot serious? they are trying to normalize pedophilia and all the other shit you fuckface. virped? pizzagate? fuck off

>>136798301
Where did it ever escalate into pedo rights?

Gay adoption is generally considered a part of gay marriage.

You'll get the schizopoofta from the other thread back m8.

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>>136797045
Vote no. Growing up in Iran I was sheltered from brainwashing from the gay ideology so I didn't even know that sick people existed in the world who sexually got involved with the same gender until I moved here and was appalled by them and by the illogical cult-like support they received from other people. This is an unhealthy mentality and immoral to propagate to people to think this is normal.

>>136797728
>Canada
>bestiality.

No.

Homophiles out

>>136798315
>I have a ton

Ok, let's see it mate

>>136798315
YOU FUCKING FACT INGNORANT FAGGOT! FUCK OFF OF /POL/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

>>136797385
>>136798255
no, fuck the people who decided organized religion should be entwined with the state. i agree with you guys, marriage should be a religious experience. it shouldnt have any baring on secular life at all, including all the tax breaks and free shit married couples get.

I honestly couldn't give a shit if fags can get married or not, what I'm god damned sick and tired of is faggotry being politicised and shoved in my face 24/7.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing about these basket cases.

>>136798320
That's not an argument.

>>136798315
Ah, the old leftist "evidence" trick. Every time I provide a piece of evidence, you move the goal posts until I give up, and then you claim victory.

No, I'm not playing. If you can't see that most gays are mentally ill, and that most gays are molested as children, you can't be helped. Enjoy your STDs. I'll enjoy my mental stability.

>>136798350
You shouldn't be allowed near children.

>>136798408
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

http://archive.is/y64OH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

https://www.advocate.com/health/2015/10/09/study-dna-identical-twins-can-reveal-whos-gay

http://archive.is/GuptB

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html

http://archive.is/PSmzQ

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/research.points.to.genetic.element.in.homosexuality/35856.htm

http://chaladze.com/files/publications/Chaladze2016ASB.pdf

Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:

http://archive.is/g3lal

http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/03/scientists-have-eliminated-hiv-in-mice-using-crispr/

http://archive.is/8yiqT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGEA11

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts%5Fmolestation.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gay-marriage-boosts-happiness-health-study-article-1.3053017

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/

http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof

http://archive.is/ztjf2

>>136798162
Out of all the women you know, how many said being a woman was the reason they needed special treatment?

Now think again, if you a straight man, are being told by someone they are gay, they're clearly out for something. There are so many more of them than you care to consider, but the fact is they live normal lives regardless of your opinions.

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>>136797045

VOTE NO, FOLLOW RUSSIA'S EXAMPLE ON THE GAYS!

>>136797913
So we're only gonna trust your (((peer))) reviewed 'evidence'.

>>136798423
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

Gay and lesbian kids are often socially excluded and vulnerable to abuse.

>>136798539
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25942288

Where is that stat about Lesbian couples abusing children and each other at alarming rates guys?

>>136798651
That you haven't sourced?

>>136797476
Yesterday we had a thread where some faggot said "All I want is to get married. That's it." So we challenged him to name a country that legalized gay marriage and that was it. No escalation in degeneracy. The gays got their marriage and stopped whining. Just name one country where this happened.

He tried naming countries that legalized fag marriage recently ("hey nothing has happened since they legalized it last week") but he was still repeatedly proven wrong. Every country that legalized gay marriage continued down the same path of trannies, pedos, dog fuckers, etc. Every single one.

Then the faggot shifted the goalposts and said those escalations weren't even bad and we shouldn't be bigots to trannies and pedos. Thus removing his mask and exposing the agenda he and other faggots had all along.

>>136798488
>not an argument
nice refutation, fucking got me bro, did you do debating in high school?

>>136797272
That was interesting thank you

>>136797045
>genuinely on the fence
>even a small part of him believes socially destructive degenerate behaviour should be legalised
kys

>>136798628
Kids arent gay you fucking pedo
kids dont have reeally ANY attraction when they are 4 or 5 you sick fuck, you are the one that wants to normalize tranny bathroom s and tanny kids

>>136798162
you dont even understand basic high school shit like the difference between correlation and causation. why do you think youre qualified to comment on the mental state of others? you sound fkn retarded

I don't give a fuck about gay marriage, gonna vote no so as to piss off SJWs.

>>136797045
Most of Australia isn't even christian.

You guys will pass that shit quickly and suffer god's wrath in the end times.

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>>136797622

Ya don't vote yes or you will be trying to fix everything like us Americans Aussi bro.

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>>136797045
Absolutely not. All this tranny shit was only mainstreamed in america (and by extension the world) after fag marriage was legalized. I was actually for gay marriage at the time, thinking it's not big deal and saying "the slippery slope fallacy is ridiculous!" It isn't, it shouldn't even be considered a fallacy. The slippery slope is just liberalism + time, they will never stop pushing for worse degeneracy, they will never stop hating you, they will never stop wanting to make your life worse, they will never stop wanting you and your family dead. Don't give them an inch, even if the inch seems trivial. Enabling crazies even a little just makes them more crazy.

>>136798458
Tax breaks and free shit for married couples are the primary reasons people get married these days (and expense is the primary reason they don't - how interesting that it costs money to save money). Pre-nups, divorces, it's all proof of a modern-day rort.

>>136798681
No, I did Lacrosse. I'm really regretting that I didn't get together with the rugby players and bash some poofs, though.

>>136798723
So being gay doesn't cause high drinking rates? Being gay doesn't cause high suicide rates?

So it's all correlated then? What's the cause of the high suicide rates? What's the cause of the high drinking rates?

Could it be that, gasp, generally mentally unstable people gravitate to fucking the same sex, and that most gays aren't seriously romantically interested in men, instead they have a fetish for fucking men?

>>136798650

The first citation, “Tomeo, Templer, Anderson and Kotler”5 indicates a study that is presented as concluding there is a correlation between being abused as a child and being gay; the citation fails to note several highly relevant factors: it was a non-clinical study and the data concerning homosexuals was gathered by setting up an interview booth at a “Gay Pride” parade6 while the data for heterosexuals was gathered at a college. Did the signage attracting participants at the Gay Pride parade booth ask specifically for victims of abuse who were willing to tell their story? The study does not say anything on this point – we do not know how participants were attracted.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

Another interesting aspect of this study is the use of the word “molestation.” In the questionnaire given to participants, the word “molestation” is never used; “sexual contact” is used. What does this phrase mean to the various participants? Does it mean one thing to those participating in a festive Gay Pride Parade and something quite different to a student at a perhaps more subdued or introspective University setting? Since 84% of gay men and 95% of women considered themselves gay before the “sexual contact” according to the study, could it be something less nefarious than, for example, forcible rape they were recounting?

Also cited in the Tomeo, et al report are studies conducted by Paul Cameron that supported the contention that gays are more likely to have been molested and to molest others. Wikipedia7 reports that The American Sociological Association has criticized Dr. Cameron, stating that "Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and that he was kicked out of the American Psychological Association8.

>>136798680
Yeah, anyone who says the slippery slope isn't real is a fucking liar.

>>136798680
Finland.

Nobody gives a shit about your vote or your country. Just make a choice and leave us alone.

>>136798721
I knew I was gay by age 6. I didn't know the word or what it meant but I knew I preferred looking at male bodies to female ones.

>>136798932
>since March 2017

Way to prove that guys point

>>136798960
You are a messed up individual and need help. Homosexuality is a mental illness

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>>136799003
>mental illness

How can an illness be mental? what is the vector?

Allow gay marriage only if they adopt a single mother and become liable for child support.

Marriage is a word; seek the same benefits and i'm fine with it, but seeking to have people call what you're doing a marriage is delusional.

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Just made this, thoughts, aus/pol/?

>>136798884
>Lacrosse
>Wanted to get together with the rugby players
Come on man, surely even you can see through the thin 'self-hating gay' facade you've been putting up.
I'll vote for you, learn to accept yourself.

>>136798815
All we want is to not be sentenced to death.
All we want is to not be chemically castrated.
All we want is to not be beaten up.
All we want is to be allowed behind closed doors.
All we want is don't ask don't tell.
All we want is to be allowed in public.
All we want is legal rights in inheritance.
All we want is recognized civil unions.
All we want is secular marriages.
All we want is to adopt children.
All we want is marriage in churches.
All we want is trannies to not be beaten up.
All we want is tax-funded tranny surgery.
All we want is to use the bathroom of our preferred gender.
All we want is to outlaw not calling us by our preferred pronoun.
All we want is to have sex with animals.
All we want is to force Christians to participate in our faggotry.
All we want is to teach pedophilia to children.
All we want is to have sex with children.

"But it's okay if we just stop here". But it never just stops here. This was always their intent. And this was always the end result of permitting faggotry.

In b4 typical fag argument "OMG ARE YOU SAYING IT'S OKAY TO KILL THE GAYS?!?!?!"

>>136799072
Way to assume my sexuality :^)

>>136798995
I thought they've had it for longer. So you've got Canada with that one ruling on bestiality, which I do not support, but where has the age of consent been lowered subsequent to gay marriage's adoption?

Also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence

events are not necessarily related. Burden of proof is on you to prove that gay marriage's adoption *directly* led to that court ruling in Canada or any other social changes.

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>>136798723
Do you understand what the word correlation means? Blindly saying "MUH CORRELATION ISN'T CAUSATION" is not the same as proving that two measurements are totally unrelated. There's a relationship there which is further invitation to scientific investigation, were it not so science would have stalled right after the apple hit newton's head

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>>136799092
>All we want is to not be sentenced to death.
>All we want is to not be chemically castrated.

in all honesty, just these two. the rest for for society to decide. if someone beats you up for being gay it's more often about your fashion sense.

There are people who have turned back from the dark side. Also, it's pretty interesting to read how it might actually be a learned behaviour. cases.https://concernedwomen.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf

>>136798956
This. Fuck Australia.

>>136799176
http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/

>>136797045
Vote no, you need to combat these cancerous idea of progress more than anything acc to do with gays

Think how shocked the leftys will be when it gets voted down

Marriage between consenting adults should be legal everywhere.

It's literally silly to think otherwise. Childish, even.

>>136798539
Ah, the genetic disorder hypothesis

My fave

>>136797272
Very well put

>>136797045
I'm voting no, they can't further erode marriage.

I wanna see them cry on television like after the Trump vote.

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>>136799113
>google
oh pls.

That sounds like complete pseudoscience to me, people who don't want to be responsible for themselves.

>>136799271
Being gay doesn't cause me subjective distress. I read a whole big long anti-gay blogpost of some radio show where people active in the APA in the 1970s were on and talking about how it was largely gay psychiatrists who had it stricken from the list.

That said mental illness means that you should be able to be held against your will for having such a condition, and I don't think most people agree that being attracted to the same sex merits involuntary commitment.

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites//rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html

Hooker administered three projective tests (the Rorschach, Thematic Apperception Test [TAT], and Make-A-Picture-Story [MAPS] Test) to 30 homosexual males and 30 heterosexual males recruited through community organizations. The two groups were matched for age, IQ, and education. None of the men were in therapy at the time of the study.
Unaware of each subject's sexual orientation, two independent Rorschach experts evaluated the men's overall adjustment using a 5-point scale. They classified two-thirds of the heterosexuals and two-thirds of the homosexuals in the three highest categories of adjustment. When asked to identify which Rorschach protocols were obtained from homosexuals, the experts could not distinguish respondents' sexual orientation at a level better than chance.

A third expert used the TAT and MAPS protocols to evaluate the psychological adjustment of the men. As with the Rorschach responses, the adjustment ratings of the homosexuals and heterosexuals did not differ significantly.

Hooker concluded from her data that homosexuality is not a clinical entity and that homosexuality is not inherently associated with psychopathology.

It shouldn't because marriage is between a man and a woman and legalizing gay marriage would neuter the Australian government's ability to police morality.

>>136797801
Name a country that didn't have a massive tranny lobby spring out of nowhere almost immediately after legalising homo marriage

Also guys, don't use their words that's how they influence you. Gay means happy and carefree, they are homosexuals

>>136799220
Go away kiwi
Gib pavlova recipe

>>136799069
Lol, that's pretty good. Mind if I save and share?

Doesn't matter 2bh.

If people vote yes libs will just go 'lmao non-binding' and if people vote no, Libs are so cucked by internal politics they put the days of rudd-gillard-rudd to shame and are going to lose the next election so Shorten will just legalize it anyway.

Quite literally does not matter outside of your own personal headspace where you think democracy isn't a literal dog and pony show to keep the braying masses from revolting.

>>136799397
It's mayoclinic ya fuck

>>136797045
>voting to take away the rights of others

>>136797045
VOTE AGAINST FAG MARRIAGE

you shouldn't need a reason other than pissing off lefties

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No

>>136798364
I'm very jealous, sir

>>136799468
Go ahead m8

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>>136797045
>Australia
>At constant risk of being killed by bouncing kangs and shiet
>Feels the need to let faggots add to the list of risks

Australia is a hell of a place to live. Fuck faggots, the day of the stake is coming to you.

>>136797045
Vote Yes.

1. Fags in Aus are based, hate muslims bcos they're homophobes, hate niggers bcos they spread STDs and are rapey, and hate trannies for making them look stupid.

2. Most fags in Aus are closeted and/or private fags. The ones you see with colourful hair and who live in hipster suburbs make up less then 10% of the fag population. Bogans shouldn't represent skips so don't let those retards represent fags.

3. Most people here are trolls and just like to shit stir

4. Slippery Slope isn't bullshit, but it only works if in a 'chain' sequence. Have you stopped and thought about why are gays the predecessors of trans? Well because they're categorised as 'abnormal' along with them. Instead of following the same stupid reaction of 'gradual acceptance', we should wholeheartedly accept fags (and pretend they're normal), while utterly rejecting trannies, creates a fissure between the two. They cannot be linked and the slope cannot exist if their not considered part of the same 'oppressed' group.

5. Labour will win next election and it will get legalised anyway

6. It's only illegal so churches can monopolise on marriage ceremonies, as gays tend to avoid having religious ceremonies, and while churches make enough money with straight ceremonies, they don't want other institutions conducting marriages because it delegitimises their monopoly and role in society.

7. If it were up to me, nobody would be allowed to get married unless they were having or adopting children, gay or straight. But since modern marriage has already been corrupted into a stupid economic contract, instead of a child raising process, there is no point to restrict it from gays. Most gays who want to get married want to use it to raise kids, which is closer to the 'traditional' function of marriage anyway, and compared to the vast majority of straight childless marriages, that is a good thing.

8. The whole debate is a waste of time and money, get it over with already.

>>136799447
I mean I personally am not trans but they are a separate movement. Your points were more that somehow gay marriage directly caused the legalization of pedophilia, incest, and bestiality.

Which is not true.

I feel like the trans situation has been mostly confined to the American South and Midwest. There isn't this panic about them using opposite gender bathrooms outside of that region.

Trans were on a very separate trajectory from the start.

>>136798960
>i like guys maybe
>guess i'll make this a lifelong choice now
F a g g o t
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Fag enabled fag, sorry for your loss.

>>136799492
Marriage is based on a common law right in the commonwealth, and it never included homos.

They have every right to engage in their degeneracy, but no right to have their degeneracy recognized and honored by the state.

>>136799581
t.faggot

>>136799436
>That said mental illness means that you should be able to be held against your will for having such a condition, and I don't think most people agree that being attracted to the same sex merits involuntary commitment.
yes...
I also want them to be gassed, unironically

>>136797728
so that piece in snopes about pedos doesn't exist in your reality, cool story juden.

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>>136799472
It's a means of a sale, nothing more. It's horrific how easy to convince a woman her child is naughty and a pill can fix them.

>>136799469
Ok, we vote no, libs lose election 20-whenever. Accelerate the decay of our country, the faster it falls the faster we can rebuild? Liberals won't give up till they destroy us anyway?

>>136799598
I would feel awful being forced to marry a woman. I would be depressed and angry. Just as you would be if you were forced to marry a man.

My brain tells me I am to partner and love another man. I have no control over those feelings same as you have none over your heterosexual desires.

>>136799620
And that's literally just your opinion bro.

>>136797045

Fags only want to marry because it's a slap in the face to white, Christian, patriarchal society. Nothing more. They're cut from the same Marxist cloth as the rest, they only want to destroy that which is traditional, age-old and sacred

>>136799092
Nice one, but one point

We are absolutely in favour of death

>>136799592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sPj8HhbwHs
You need to be gassed you faggot

>>136798995
>"Haha public policy hasn't really changed since 5 months ago therefore the slippery slope doesn't exist"

The fact that he has to seek out obscure countries that legalized it a few months ago tells you everything.

BUT HE IS STILL WRONG.

We don't need to look at when same sex marriage actually came into effect. We can look back to when it was first approved. Which in Finland was 2014.

"On 28 November 2014, the Finnish Parliament voted 105-92 to allow an amendment to permit same sex marriage."

Since 2014:
-Joint adoption for gay couples has come into effect (2017)
-Lesbians will get automatic parenthood for both fags at birth (Pending)
-Transgenders no longer required to be sterilized after changing gender (Pending)

So in NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY have the gays kept their word that gay marriage was all they wanted and that would be the end of their government enforced perversion.

>>136798460
It will always be politicised because homosexuality along with other behavioural defects like beastiality and pedolphilia is used as a way to weaken society, cause social disorder, and allow the ruling class to impoverish us and steal on a massive scale. Aside from the monetary benefit, they get a great kick out of treating us like sims characters. It's called cultural Marxism. To not give a fuck is not an option, because we are in a war, it's an infowar, and a cultural war, you're either with good and normal folk, or with freaks and queers and their rootless cosmopolitan promotors

>>136799581
>Labour will win next election and it will get legalised anyway

I thought you guys spelled that word properly in Australia.

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>>136797045

just think of the tears there will be with a no vote winning anon, do it for the memes

My bro is gay, I'm voting no.
Marriage is to create a family.

When a father gives away his daughter, its literal. She is giving her to another family to have kids and shit. It's a beautiful thing that shouldn't be shit on by cunts who hate tradition and just want to go nerrrrr we're gay and we stole you think stupid straighty 180 breeders ewww.

Entire family voting No, ExDee... Fuck off faggots this is a nation founded on christianity and you can't be christian and a faggot, its not possibru.

>>136799685
>My brain tells me I am to partner and love another man
Yeah, because you're fucking mentally ill. Explain how homosexuality will further a species.

The only way I can see it furthering the species is by you cunts not actually having children.

>>136799704
This

>>136798675
You do know biological mothers alone are the biggest demographic for children abuse?

No, look what happened in other places. When the baby boomers said they was going to be a slippery slope. They were right. Look at Lauren Southern's new video. Kids twerking in the middle of the streets during pride parades, it's disgusting. Tony Abbott will probably also be right, it's just going to lead to an amplified society of political correctness and subliminally encourage more kids to be gay, which is a horrible thing to wish on a child. It IS irregular, you can't reproduce with the person you love. I beg everyone, vote no.

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>>136799436
The label of mental illness was dropped because of bullying from Antifa tier lgbt activists in 1974. There is no such thing as a gay gene. Homosexuality is much like a disgusting fetish people have for bodies of the same gender.

I'm voting for it, gays have never harmed me or anyone in my family. Religious extremists have. Also fuck Abbott for continuing to destabilize the Liberal party after he said he wouldn't rock the boat. What a liar and a crook.

>>136798680
your okay leaf an ever green leaf if you will

>>136799776
Yes but at least we wont have to hear about gay marriage anymore if we vote yes.

If no wins, you can be sure they'll double down on the bullshit.

>>136798843
Oh dude, don't be a bigot.
Don't you know they dindu nuffin???

>>136799740
Being gay doesn't mean I think kids all have to be gender neutral.

>>136799741
In most cases gay marriage is seen as synonymous with gay adoption rights.

Trans lobby is a wholly separate movement that tries to ride on gay rights coattails but has little to do with us.

There was never a promised word that gay marriage was somehow the end of human rights.

>>136798815
it's not a slippery slope it's a greased precipice is one of my favourite sayings

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>>136798675
>>136798651

>>136798324
>muhammad, pedro, and jamal are fucking, raping, and murdering 12 year old white girls
>omg these gay men are going to start having sex with women and underage women too! they're trying to normalize it
no it's already normalized you fucking retard. spics, niggers, and mudslimes are fucking underage white pussy everywhere constantly and you're paranoid about gay guys having sex with other males.

>>136799777
WOOPS, also fucked up a 'their' somewhere

>>136799619
better being a fag than a nigger, like yourself

>>136799592
I didn't mention paedos etc at all

The trans thing is using the same arguments as gay marriage, they've hitched onto your wagon whether you like it or not. If you point out sky high suicide rates for post op trannies or rates of abuse people go "but that's what we said about gay marriage when le ebil bigots where trying to sop it :000"

You can make the distinction but most of the actors pushing this especially politically were the same guys who pushed gay marriage. I have some sympathy for gays who hate this stuff, but you can't just deny the link

>>136799893
Vote 'yes' they'll double down on the next bullshit premise they want.

>>136799741
Since 2014:
-Joint adoption for gay couples has come into effect (2017)
-Lesbians will get automatic parenthood for both fags at birth (Pending)
-Transgenders no longer required to be sterilized after changing gender (Pending)

All those things have already happened in Australia.

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>>136797045
I'm gay. Not religious or stormcuck or uncle Tom.

Vote no. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. Its (admittedly long decaying) role is bigger than whatever social boons I get from access to its title. I already have all the relationship rights it entails anyway.

Both for my sake and for yours, marriage should be the ideal heterosexual, reproductive union. I have no desire to emulate you, or to aspire to your traditions. I have my own.

>>136797755
Unironically this. I live in Ontario and our faggot Premier Wynne is using and pushing degeneracy to pilfer the treasury. For the next century we will have to cut back to pay for all this diversity crap. Fags have literally closed hospital rooms to fund LGBBQ education and Islam acceptance. .

>>136799674

Sort out your big and little L use of 'liberal' mate.

Don't bother voting because either fucking way it's going to happen, and likely always under a Shorten led Labor government. You're not going to stop it with this vote, or even postpone it for more than 1-2 years.

If you wanted to stop it you should have gone back in time to the start of the Tones administration and made sure the Libs weren't a bunch of fuckheads who can't work together to save their lives.

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>>136799893
You won't hear about gay marriage, you'll hear about trannies having children. You'll hear about people being allowed to fuck children. You'll hear about people wanting to fuck dogs.

These people do not stop.

>>136799912
NO. YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT CHILDREN.

BEING SEPARATED FROM YOUR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS IS BAD, BEING GROUPED WITH GAY PEDOS IS WORSE.

>>136797045
Your vote literally doesn't matter, it's going to pass and there's nothing any of you can do about it. Voting (and civic involvement in the government as a whole) is a joke. You'd honestly be better off with a fucking Monarchy.

>>136797385
>he says he values the divine over the mundane and yet is concerned over secular law regarding marriage

>>136799592
The whole 'LGBTIQ' movement is the result of intersectionality, given its left wing origins. You have always been linked, whether you like it or not

>>136800055
>just give up

>>136799912
>There was never a promised word that gay marriage was somehow the end of human rights.

And there you have it. The homosexual unmasked and telling you exactly what he has always intended.

Increasing amounts of degeneracy hidden behind the buzzword of "human rights".

>>136799092
13-yr-olds are not children.

>>136800034
>I have no desire to emulate you, or to aspire to your traditions. I have my own.
You're not going to be forced to have a gay marriage just because it's legal. That's like saying that you're forced to drink alcohol just because alcohol is legal, even for gays.

>>136797045
What's the point? It's all a sham and everyone knows it.

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>>136799685
>Just as you would be if you were forced to marry a man.
Implying implications.
>My brain tells me
Ever considered brain scans and also hormone treatments with a little bit of therapy?

>>136800091
I didn't vote No on the Republican referendum just to see this country end up a Monarchy

My stepsister is a dyke, I'm voting no.
Marriage, by definition, is between men and women, and is to bind two people of the opposite genders together to create a safe and stable environment in which to raise children.
Also, I know what lesbians are like in their private lives. They are disgusting immoral people, what with drug abuse, domestic violence, mental instability, polyamory, you name it. I knew a few gays in Uni - the exact same. The LGBTQIAP+ community are a den of filthy beasts and their iniquities should not be enabled in our country.

>>136800073
Cannot believe that pic

>>136798458
>marriage should be a religious experience. it shouldnt have any baring on secular life at all
Marriage was secular before religion took it over.

>>136798884
>So being gay doesn't cause high drinking rates? Being gay doesn't cause high suicide rates?
no dipshit, or every fag would drink and kill themselves. like i said, its useless trying to explain it to you if you cant grasp this
>>136799141
>There's a relationship there which is further invitation to scientific investigation
i agree. but thats not what he said was it? he stated it as a forgone conclusion that gay people are alcoholics because they are gay and is too stupid to understand the tautology he is making

>>136797045
Vote no you cuck.

>>136800231
So why is heroin illegal?

The marriage act didn't specify 'man and woman" until 2004 when howard changed it
Does that mean gay marriage was technically allowed prior to that?

>>136799796
Gays are now allowed to adopt or hire surrogates in many places. I would like to do that in the future if I can afford it.

>>136799806
Sauce?

>>136799826
It was dropped cuz gay psychiatrists joined the relevant APA committees and gave speeches supporting homosexuality at their events.

I have a bunch of sources that being gay is genetic:

>>136798539

Even if we don't have it pinned down for sure to one gene, that just means it could be a mix of multiple genes and epigenetic tags

I would take a look at this one though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGEA11

>>136799972

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-on-gay-parenting/

http://archive.is/Z4Gu4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/10/new-criticism-of-regnerus-study-on-parenting-study/?utm_term=.dc5cef00d5f8

http://archive.is/SePdG

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/03/04/mark_regnerus_testifies_in_michigan_same_sex_marriage_case_his_study_is.html

http://archive.is/ehXt8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/10/supreme-court-gay-marriage_n_2850302.html

https://archive.is/Y5erS

https://www.advocate.com/politics/prop-8/2013/03/11/debunked-antigay-parenting-study-commissioned-sway-supreme-court

http://archive.is/QVAQz

Regnerus did a study where 1/3 of the kids supposedly raised by gay parents never lived with them and only 2 kids lived with 2 gay parents from 0-18 and then compared them to kids who lived with 2 straight married parents from 0-18.

>>136799996
I don't deny the link. Trans haven't really won that many important battles so far due to the controversy of presenting men as women.

>BEING SEPARATED FROM YOUR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS IS BAD, BEING GROUPED WITH GAY PEDOS IS WORSE.

[citation needed]

>>136800091
This

>>136800140
It is the result of Civil Rights. Interracial marriage being legalized definitely fostered our movement.

>>136800190
Doesn't mean most gays support bestiality, incest, pedophilia

>>136799806
Source please

>>136800185

What do you win by postponing it 2 years?

> HAHA WE STUCK IT TO THOSE FAGS!
> loses election.
> fag marriage happens anyway.
> Labor now always has 'we made gay marriage happen in the face of muh bigotry!' card for every election in the forseeable future.

Why choose this hill to die on?

Every homosexual I've ever met has been a fag

>>136799893
Gays are never satiated. Canada's had it for 12 years and they still won't shut up about "muh opressun". The USA hasn't heard the end of it; they legislated gender neutral bathrooms not long after their Supreme Court legalized it. Photographers, bakers, anyone really has to bend to a gay request.

>>136800322
>he stated it as a forgone conclusion that gay people are alcoholics because they are gay and is too stupid to understand the tautology he is making
"Twice as likely"

>>136800342
>I would like to do that in the future if I can afford it.
Don't. You're already fucked, don't fuck up an innocent child.

>>136799581
>implying trans can't co-opt the lgbt movement into working for their interests

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>>136799991
I just looked up why Australia uses the American spelling for Labor, which I'd wondered about previously but never cared enough to investigate.

It's because they were influenced by American commies and anarchists in the early 20th century.

Shameful that anyone supports that there.

>>136800334
It meant the idea of it happening was so ludicrous they didn't even contemplate it happening. The marriage act does not specific that humans and horses cannot get married, provided they are different genders

>>136797045
Marriage is part of the patriarchy's tool set to stomp out women's hypergamy. It exists to stop women (and men) from trading up, period. It's purpose is to get more men raising families. That's the only reason it ever existed. What the fuck is the point of gay marriage other than to mock the wonderful system that gave us civilization? Besides, marriage in Stralia has been a paper tiger since 1975 when no-fault divorce became the law of your land.

Just vote yes like a decent human being.

>>136798364
is that a picture from the set of planet of the apes?

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>>136798364
>that pic

Planet of the apes

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>>136800424
Trans co-opting gay rights (in part) got plenty of gay people, such as myself, to vote for Trump.

>>136800429
Interesting

>>136800365
Didn't the same-sex marriage thing fail in parliament? So if the senate and house of reps remain the same, won't it not get passes. The PM is not a President he can't just act on stuff like that.

>>136800342
>Slate
>huffingtonpost
>rightwingwatch
>advocate
KEK

>>136800419
>"Twice as likely"
BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY YOU STUPID THICK CUNT. god fucking damn find some chromosomes you daft fuck

>>136800342
>>136800347
Mixing sauce lazy niggers.
Hang on.

>>136800365
Sooner or later the tide will turn, and the less we've sunk into degeneracy the easier it will be to restore society. For now, die on every hill

>>136800329
Because heroin is dangerous to the user. Having a gay wedding isn't anymore dangerous than a straight wedding.

>>136800073
>you'll hear about trannies having children
They already do. I friend of mine from schools paternal father is a tranny.

> You'll hear about people being allowed to fuck children.
That only happens in muslim countries where, (((coincidentally))) gay marriage is illegal.

>You'll hear about people wanting to fuck dogs.
We already hear about this and everyone thinks Peter Singer is a degenerate moron.

It's erroneous to claim that gay marriage will lead to any of these things when transexual rights, paedophilia and bestiality are all seperate issues. They are debated and the debate ahs fallen fairly decisively in each case.

>>136800334
As the other anon said, it was just codifying what was already in Common Law, to prevent what happened in the US, ie an unelected court declaring SSM legal

>>136797045
if you can contain it. who the fuck cares what two adults want to do on their own time if they both are happy with it. The issue becomes all the other doors that get opened with this shit. Everyone will want their concession for their lifestyle.

I got no problem with gay marriage if it's not all up in my face. But minority concessions just pave the way for more and more obscure minority demands.

>>136797045
Homosexual here. I don't mind who you vote for and I have no effect on the voting process, the Australian citizens can decide themselves in a referendum

>>136800365
You really think a wedge issue like fag marriage is going to decide who wins the next election?

>>136800603
It's not a constitutional change, there isn't a referendum.

>>136797045

STOP STEALING OUR WORDS YOU FUCKING FLUFF MUFFINS GET YOUR OWN WORD S, MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING GAY LANGUAGE AND STOP SUBVERTING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE WITH YOUR SEEPING PROLAPSED ANUSES.

END THE GAY

>>136800603
It's not a referendum, it's just a glorified opinion poll.

>>136800541
Then what makes it likely? "Discrimination"? I doubt it.

>>136800549
>That only happens in muslim countries
Okay, now you're just being an idiot. You know damn well what happens in gay bath houses. Statistically you've probably fucked a 14 year old or two.

>It's erroneous to claim that gay marriage will lead to any of these things when transexual rights, paedophilia and bestiality are all seperate issues.
Pushed by the same people, with the same philosophies, for the same reasons.

>>136800644
Faggots are appropriating our culture

>>136800603
Thanks for your non contribution.
>Referendum
Kill yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>136797801
A. Gay marriage does not make any sense in its own right. Shit and cum mixtures don't need legal protection from the state.

B. All the people proposing arguments in favour of gay marriage are hypocrite if they don't apply the same arguments in favour of incest, polygamy or beastiality.

C. Activists did move straight from the Gay marriage issue into trans rights. The post modern view of sexual relations used to support homosexuality now underpins the progressive view of gender

>>136800595
>who the fuck cares what two adults want to do on their own time if they both are happy with it.
I agree. Doesn't mean that the government has to sanction it though.

>>136799834
Fuck you, you getup troll. The liberal party is a band of crooks that have sold out conservatives and real Australians.

Vote 1 Australian Conservatives

>>136797045
Not even going to vote in the plebiscite. The whole thing is a fucking circus. Both the bible-thumping Christfag boomers and the politically correct leftist hipsters are as bad as each other.

Where is our plebiscite on immigration or how to address the housing crisis? This is just a distraction by both sides. I hate politics in this country so much.

No, marriage is supposed to be a spiritual union between masculine and feminine energies.

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>>136800697
I'm Kiwi so I don't know lol

>>136798295
Fuck off people who don't care about important things

>>136800522

The plebiscite failed. Unless we miraculously end up with like 8 ON senators straight legalization is very likely to go through under a labor led government.

>>136800547

I don't think you understand the metaphor.

>>136800642

No, honestly i think it's already been decided with how fucking incompetent the Libs have been, and the natural swing cycles of 2 party governments, they've basically done all the same shit the Labor party did to get them turfed on their asses in 2013, only with less legislation to show for it.

Note before you shit yourself, my criticism from the Libs is coming from a right wing perspective, they're cucks who willingly flood our nation with hundreds of thousands of shitskins and just because the alternative is worse i won't act like they aren't shit for brained retards.

>>136800642
Nice try kike. You've been using that lone for every issue since the beginning of time. And conservatives keep surrendering to "win elections" while the culture rots.

What good is a conservative government that surrenders to every liberal issue?

>>136800751
I'm VERY skeptical of Bernardi, but I'll vote for AusTories nonetheless, since they're basically the new Family First. We need a strong Christian conservative voice to rally around.

>>136800777
This is also true

>>136800836
>hundreds of thousands of shitskins

hundreds of thousands of shitskins per year**

>>136800424
Yea, which is what we should reverse by co-opting the LGB towards the 'right', who already hate muslims, niggers and are starting to hate trans. The only reason they're associated is because they're both oppressed by the same people... the 'right'.

Trust me, every fag I know down here was pro-trump...

>>136800696

Now: ah you're married, well done ol' chap, say hi to the wife, best regards you both
What they want: ah your married, are you the husband, or wife. Do you even like pussy or cocks.

Fuckem

>>136800342
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-there-no-gay-gene
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism
https://www.onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2016/08/23/gay-gene-no-scientific-evidence-

>>136800788
Lmao, fair enough

>>136800642
This issue has been discussed ad nauseam since 2010. People are sick of it all, but at least Labor has a clear policy to resolve the issue.

Many Liberal MPs are refusing to say whether they will vote for gay marriage if the plebiscite passes. It's a total sham and distraction.

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>>136797913
> implying that most anthropological studies aren't just large collections of subjective anecdotal evidence

>>136800777
Spot on m8

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>>136800843
I think you responded to the wrong post, you insolent leaf.

Either that or you're so retarded you didn't understand the context of the comment that you replied to.

Apologize.

>>136800038
Why are homosexuals always such traitors? Even in literature it is the effette who are invariably deceptive and two faced.

The purpose of marriage is the children. Not the "love."
I think the most dangerous part of gay marriage may not be extending it to faggots: it's the part where we continue the notion that it's about the "love" between two people.
This is part of an incredibly dangerous mindset we have adopted in the west. We do not think about what is best for our children and their children.
Another part of that is we indulge women in being self-absorbed. They have an instinctive selfishness which evolution has given them for the purposes of collecting resources, protection and labor to help them have kids. But today they don't have the kids and they believe they just deserve it for themselves.

>>136800788

I left nz when gays became legal, out of fucking disgust.

No to marriage for gays. They can remain defacto or fuck off.

Make gay illegal again.

>>136800951
https://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/

>>136800986
>It's a total sham and distraction.
Exactly. Ol' Menachem Turncoat doesn't want you thinking about the housing bubble.

>>136800951
Literally the Christian agenda.

Paul McHugh is paid by Catholics to defend pedophiles in court as well as to defame gay and transgender people.

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>>136797272
Then just allow fag marriage and tell them to cut that shit out when they go for incest, if you really believe this autistic slippery slope still exists.

>>136800951
>gene, singular

>>136801138
Not an argument.

>>136801123
Labor are also dragging this out for as long as possible because they clearly don't want to see gay marriage legalised under a Liberal government.

>>136801224
He relies on flawed and outdated information to push specious negative claims about homosexuals and ignores evidence of biological and genetic causation.

>>136801175
It is referred to as a singular in a figure of speech.

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>>136797272
this desu

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>>136800991
>data is just a bunch of anecdotes
This is completely fucking retarded. Why do so many people believe this?

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Not that you care, but I'm gonna be in the audience for next weeks Q&A.
If there are any questions you want me to submit, I would be more than happy to.
Pic related.

>>136801290

How about gays make their own faggot ceremony, we can call it "rainbowed" and they can keep that. Stop stealing Christian words u fux, make your own shit ( like an AIDS 2.0 )

>>136798320
>overwhelmingly hostile

M8 you been living under a rock?

>>136801418
Oh-ho-ho Sam Dastyari.

>>136801324
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22720828

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cross-cultural-evidence-for-the-genetics-of-homosexuality/

Neither of us are informed or embedded enough in this topic to prove the other wrong. The only reasons we act like its dogma or not, beside one or the other of us having a firm grasp on the topic, which I don't think is true, is for our own agendas.

It's a strange obsession.

>>136801418

Give me a moment, I will reply back to you, this is important.

>>136801282
I agree. Labor are almost guaranteed to win the next election, and they're just waiting to get in so that they can be remembered for legalising this. This is their pet issue, and they're not gonna let Libs "win" this one.

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>>136799220
pipe down Chang, white people are trying to talk here

>>136801290
Because homosexuality is not caused by genes or hormones. It is the result of media and ideological propaganda.

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>>136801437
This is just as pathetic as some nigger coming on here and asking all the white bois to sto saying nigger. Why are Christcucks so asspained over words?

>>136800691
The fact that you're not discussing marriage anymore and instead trying to talk about some larger culture war shows that you don't have an argument about gay marriage.
The fact that you've assumed I'm gay just because I support gay marriage shows you really don't understand at all that I would prefer a government that treated people equally under the law.

Right now we have this thing called marriage. Maybe the government have to legally define it at all, but for whatever reason it currently is defined.
We've said it can only be between two people, and that isn't up for debate at all although polygamy is practised among many different groups in Australia and is possibly something that will become an issue one day in the future.
We've said that it can only be between consenting adults over the age of 18. It used to be 16 for females but we changed that in 1991 as part of a general overhaul of sex discrimination. No one is proposing changing that again.
Finally, we've explicitly stated that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman. This is the only bit currently being debated, so that it can be between any two people.

Now personally, I have never seen anyone articulate a single valid argument against gay marriage. They always, ALWAYS talk about some other bullshit. Trannies, Jesus, Kids, Dogs, none of these are in the frame of the discussion as far as I'm concerned.

I have heard one particularly compelling case though and that is that as the law currently stands we discriminate against three groups; polygamists, gays and children. Children deservedly don't have any rights, polygamists are always some fucked up religion like mormons or muslims but there is no case to discriminate against gays.

If you are concerned about gays adopting kids, something that has been legal for DECADES, then go and fight about it somewhere else. If you're concerned about people fucking animals, go and join PETA and picket Peter Singer. It's not relevant here.

>>136801536
*societal acceptance of it is caused by ideological propaganda. Development of sexual attraction to same sex is a fetish.

>>136800347
>>136800342
Okay I should've said biggest cause of child fatalities are biological mother (alone) at 26.7, bio mother and bio father are next at 22.3
Why would anyone trust children around two women together who are already weird.
Try this
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm2015.pdf
Honestly modifying child abuse numbers based on fatalities would be the best thing to do as it is the most reliable stats we have for child abuse.

>>136801610
>Children deservedly don't have any rights
This alone shows that you are a subhuman. Kill yourself.

>>136799581
Gays shouldn't be able to adopt that's a little far.
Just with Lesbian partnerships imagine how worse this would be, don't trust women.
>>136801660

>>136801660
That is circumstantial evidence though, not direct evidence that 2 parent lesbian households increase the child fatality rate.

You can't just link a huge long report without taking a screenshot of the relevant portion or a page listing. This is why citations generally link to a page number.

I'll vote yes to have them shut the fuck up about wanting it.

>>136801610
Polygamists aren't always part of a religious movement
http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/couple-wants-to-divorce-each-other-to-marry-live-in-girlfriend/

>>136801831
Thanks!

>>136801831
>thinking it will all end here

>>136801585

Because marriage as a union exists for male and female. A married man has a wife. Thats hiw it works. It's not a term to redefine and make fucking non binary.

I thought faggots were creative and could be proud of whatever faggot ceremony they have, but the gay pride is gone, they want to use the term for a man and woman to describe faggotry.

Come on man.

If its just words, faggots are crying the most, Christian s are simply asserting what marriage is.

>>136801725
>Children should be able to drink
>Children should be able to vote
>Children should be able to opt out of primary school
>Children should be able to drive
>Children should be able to join the army
>Children should be able to purchase pornography
>Children should be able to smoke.
>Children should be able to have sex.

Have a (You)

You know what I mean. We have a vastly different set of rules and rights for kids that are there for their protection.

>>136799972
>>136801770
>>136801801

>>136797045
I think it's a non-issue, unless you're gay or religious (I don't mean you go to church once a year, I mean a devout follower)

If it isn't overly detrimental to you personally (unless you just hate gays) then I wouldn't allow it to be an imperative element of which way you're gonna vote.

>>136801610
>Children deservedly don't have any rights
uh, what? ever heard of something called "the rights of the child" retard?

The fact we have different rights for different types of people is relevant.

>>136802000
>Children should be able to drink
>Children should be able to vote
>Children should be able to opt out of primary school
>Children should be able to drive
>Children should be able to join the army
>Children should be able to purchase pornography
>Children should be able to smoke.
>Children should be able to have sex.

Have a (You)

You know what I mean. We have a vastly different set of rules and rights for kids that are there for their protection.

>>136797045
it's not compulsory so just don't send it in if you're not convinced one way or the other.

>>136801172
There is no reason to suggest incest is any worse. If you don't buy our arguments there is literally no argument against consensual, contraception incestual relationships

>>136797272
>Muh Degeneracy

Literally the post.

I het you are a faggot from Melbourne

>>136801960
Regnerus has been thoroughly debunked.

How are we still having this debate?

If I did a study saying straight parents are awful and 1/3 of the kids in my study were raised by gay parents instead, Christians would be up in arms.

>>136801610
I have never heard a compelling argument for Gay marriage. Hetrosexual relationships are objectively different and should be treated as such.

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Let's get a poll going. On your honor, Aussies only please.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13672102
http://www.strawpoll.me/13672102
http://www.strawpoll.me/13672102
http://www.strawpoll.me/13672102
http://www.strawpoll.me/13672102

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>>136797272
> tfw this is all true.
First it's fag marriage
Then comes the tranny shit
Then comes the child adoption
And eventually the protected class status

>>136801290
If being gay is genetic and twins have the same genes why aren't two twins both gay?

>>136797045
Vote no

Fuck the poofs, the line is drawn here and we'll retreat no further

>>136800917
>he unironicaly thinks gays aren't overwhelmingly progressive when enabled
Because feminine mindsets aren't liberal socially right? Just like the mudslimes in the middle east that totally misbehave if you enforce law harsh on them. We should just free people and let shit happen.

>>136801610
Gays already have the equal right under the law to marry someone of the opposite sex.

They just don't want to because they are not sexually attracted to them

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>>136802363
NO WAY

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>>136797728
>the slippery slope isn't real because we haven't reached incest or pedophilia yet
Is this faggot serious? Every single country that has legalised gay marriage has moved on to trannies and gender nonsense. Canada is even starting to loosen bestiality laws FFS, there is no end in sight.

Being married has absolutely no benefits in Australia, 2 faggots in a relationship living together have every right a straight couple does. Its just whiny marxists trying to destroy traditional morals and reshape society inline with their degenerate agenda.

pedos are definately starting to try and push their bullshit as well. All this degeneracy under the guise of 'anti-bullying' is exposing kids to sexuality and things of that nature long before they should. Pedos do exactly the same thing when they're grooming kids.
>pass tranny laws allowing kids to transition
>hey if 12yo kids can make life altering decisions surely they can choose to be molested
>look at these recent studies that show kids actually do better after being molested
>its just love stop being a hateful bigot
You can be naive and deny that this isn't all part of the agenda but you can't deny that its setting the perfect circumstance for pedos to groom kids, legally or illegally.

Vote NO! You will never get another chance to send a message like this. This is our Trump/Brexit moment, don't waste it!

>>136797913
That was supposedly the flagship example from the LGBT's demonstrating how "gay families" could be happy and healthy. This was the best they could come up with, and look at what happened.

>>136802393
Epigenetic tags:

Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:

http://archive.is/g3lal

http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530

>>136801801
Read 1 to 228 and then go back to 75.
Also what cunt? I'm not saying it increases, I'm saying statistically they are still both the same, biological mother alone doesn't mean single mom.

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>>136802756
>epigenetics
So being gay is not genetic, but brought about by an event?
Mental illness checks out

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>>136802893
no to fag marriage, not the poll m8

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>>136802838
What does this have to do with gay marriage:

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm2015.pdf

?

>>136802933
No it is brought about by differing methylated tags on the DNA. It is still fixed at birth. Did you even read the article?

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>>136797899
>90%
Never heard 90 before but there are studies that show 50% of fags were molested and around 20% for dykes

Being gay is a byproduct of abuse, it is not a natural or healthy life choice. Faggots reproduce by molesting kids, allowing them to raise children should be a crime against humanity and I hope one day in the future they will look back at it with disgust

>>136802933
You can be genetically disposed to mental illness.

If homosexuality is caused genetically it's not an argument for Gay marriage.

>>136799092
Then stop being gay. Simple. Control your degenerate emotions and turn to God.

>>136803033
Ok then link them. There was that one study where they surveyed people at a pride parade:

>>136798890

Will it allow them to adopt?
(Assuming adoption laws work like that in Australia.) If it does, I'd vote "no".
Of course, you might still want to vote "no",because these people are never satisfied. If they can't adopt yet, they might go for that next, after they've solved the marriage "problem".

>>136800873
>I'm VERY skeptical of Bernardi


Why? He has a record of standing up to power, since leaving the libs he's been tolling against degeneracy including a bill to defund the ABC (which unsurprisingly greens, lab and libs voted against and only One Nation supported). Have you seen the new party policies? It's an anti degeneracy Australia first manifesto

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>>136802964
Oh, I thought you were responding to the USA/Australia friendship picture since the USA is so commonly depicted as a jew here.

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/federal-parliament-to-vote-on-samesex-marriage-after-postal-plebiscite/news-story/85ff9fecbe33e4678c6045bbc5929428

VOTE NOW! POP-UP VOTING OPTION DOES NOT APPEAR ON BRAVE, USE OTHER BROWSERS.

>>136797045
I have been planning to yes vote for a long time

But the way the ssm proponents have been acting lately makes me want to vote no

>>136803234
I suppose it's just my paranoia since he was in the Libs for yonks. I will certainly put AusTories as #1 in the next election, which in my case is State next year.

>>136803234
He's a Ted Cruz type cuckservative and he started his party with funding from jabba the Hutt Rinehart.
That's reason enough to know Australian politics is not worth shilling for and neither is any of the parties.

>>136803004
Dumb motherfucker.
Wrong page, go back.
4-5

I have no problem against gays but I'm gonna vote no just to banter those green cunts

>>136801770
They should adopt, Marriage should be to develop children. Lesbians and any parents that make their marriage about them and fuck their children up should be shot.

>>136802454
Homosexual is not naturally 'feminine'. YOU and people like you make them feminine when you ostracise then from normality.

>>136803161
>implying they aren't all virtue signalling fag-trenders
We are talking bout a small minority here.
Think long and hard about this one my dude.

>>136803343
They're not "advocates of love" they're fucking Marxists like that Roz ward bitch

>>136803473
4% of genpop and 7% of millennials. Blacks got rights in the 1950s and 1960s and they are 12.5% of the pop. Makes sense if you think about it.

>>136797045
I'll be voting yes because there's nothing wrong with gay marriage. Plus I'm sick to fucking death of hearing about gay marriage. Just give them equal marriage rights so I don't have to hear about it anymore.

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>>136803306
nah you're good mate

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>>136803546
Holy shit mate don't do it
Fags got so uppity since gay marriage they think they own the place. Nobody questions them anymore, the attention has moved all the way forward to gender nonconforming queerfolk. Save your land while you still can

>>136803306

>pic of my "mife". ( male wife )


t.gay

>>136803546
You'll hear about Tranny bathrooms and pronouns then.
Look at Canada ffs, it doesn't stop with marriage

>>136803519
>4% of genpop
>The study found that 97.4% of men identified as heterosexual, 1.6% as homosexual and 0.9% as bisexual.
>For women 97.7% identified as heterosexual, 0.8% as lesbian and 1.4% as bisexual

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>>136803161
>Ok then link them
Here you go faggot

>In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300
Who fiddled with you? a drunk uncle?

>>136797045
As long as the bill doesn't force ministers that don't want to wed fags then it should be fine. Although to be honest it'd be better if it was strictly relegated to civic marriages, and it'd be better if it was designated a 'partnership' instead of 'marriage', since the church claims the term iirc.

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>>136803161
>>136803683
Also notice how many more men are actually molested compared to women? what does that tell you?

>>136797045
Be glad you even get to vote on it at all. Even when I was bluepilled I thought it was utter horseshit that we never actually voted on it.

>>136803696

Watch, they'll take the church to the human rights commission because they cant have a white wedding.

Just a matter of time.

Hence: No.

>>136803685
Migrate legally

>>136803943

They can already marry in nz.

Just go there. Pls. Hurry.

>>136803768
>that pic

100% real totally happened listen and believe

>>136799447
In Belgium it's legal since 2003 I think and the tranny fashion only start after the gay marriage in USA

>>136803400
I didn't see anything relating to gays. Can you please screenshot what you are talking about?

>>136803683
Yeah dealt with that earlier. The survey questions were poorly framed and the sample was at a pride parade.

The numbers have not been replicated by other studies.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

Even then, increased molestation rates among homosexuals just mean gays are more vulnerable to abuse. That isn't somehow proof positive that gays are more likely to molest kids, which has been thoroughly disproven:

http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof

http://archive.is/ztjf2

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts%5Fmolestation.html

>>136804107
What's wrong with sampling at a pride parade, those are in fact the most gay?

>>136803856
But fags can't even be religious in institutions that deny them for their sins. If they want a 'religious' wedding then they can start a cult for all I care, just as long as they leave the church alone. But on the other hand I know that fags just want to corrupt institutions more than promote freedoms. At the worst case, churches will just not be registered as being able to wed, and ministers will just wed 'unofficially' and tell people to legalize their marriage in court.

>>136801520
How the fuck is it thier "pet"issue

They were in power for 8 years and food nothing

Labor could not give two fucks about fags getting married, this is simply a way to get extra votes next election

If they took marriage away from the government to do so, then honestly, I'd vote for it.

The problem is when you see shit like

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/9317447/Gay-Danish-couples-win-right-to-marry-in-church.html
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/turnbull-governments-proposed-gay-marriage-bill-would-leave-bakers-and-florists-exposed/news-story/25e01a05d72c19af06221d8cf7d8d0de
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2017/june/swedish-prime-minister-priests-should-be-forced-to-perform-same-sex-weddings

combined with the introduction into the school curriculum of the gay "right" to force everyone to take part in religious ceremonies which they strongly morally object to.

It's not okay to force your interpretation of marital rights onto everyone, and this is as true for recreational bumfucking enthusiasts as it is for stick-jew worshippers and fedora-tipping atheist edgelords. There's no slippery slope fallacy here, because there are clear precedents in other countries and no legal protection in Australia. If we legalise gay marriage, we will be legally mandating that nobody can refuse to be complicit in gay marriage.

>>136804149
Read the link.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

>>136797045
Yes but for Melbourne only, so they all move there and away from the decent states.