Have any of you read Atlas Shrugged? Is it truly an amazing

>>136783754
objectivism is win

Jew shit. Literally praises cuckoldry as a virtue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U

>>136783754
It's trash, along with the rest of her "philosophy".

>>136783944
Isn't the whole point of the book the exact opposite?
That the hard working and creative minds shouldn't carry everyone else?

I enjoyed it enough. But this is bait and not worth anything.
The author seems full of herself and shows it to the reader. Also near the end of the book there is a fucking 30 page monologue from one of the main characters where he gives a speech about basically everything the book was about. I could barely read 3 pages of it. Fuck that noise.
But overall it was a good book worth one or two reads

>>136783754
Ayn Rand died while subsisting on welfare.

She didn't even practice what she preached.

Is it worth the read? Yes.
The writing is hit or miss. Rand writes in a very romantic which usually makes for very poetic pieces, but sometimes she tries too hard and comes up with pretentious sounding word salad.
The philosophy itself is another matter. Objectivism is a meme, but calling it a meme is even more of a meme.
If you consider yourself right wing, then it's a decent starting point, but the philosophy appeals directly to angsty, know-it-all teenagers, so take that how you will.
Read it, learn from it, move on to better stuff.
t. Randroid throughout highschool

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>>136783754
>(((Atlas Shrugged)))
>trust (((outsiders))), ahem don't be a looter
>don't help your community, ahem moochers
>be a good goy like Eddie Willers instead
>let jewish catladies make your decisions
>be a beta orbiter like Rearden and d'Anconia too
>The Rules of Acquisition govern your life now
>get back to work goy
gas this shit

>>136784391
The monologue is 70 pages in the standard version.

>>136784409
Living on welfare was against her wishes, if I remember correctly. Furthermore, it could be justified by the fact that she spent her entire life putting money into what she viewed as a parasitic system, so maybe she felt entitled to draw benefit from it.
Regardless, this is about the book, not the author.

Objectivism is fucking cancer for your soul. People who succeed do so because they can understand what other people need and then figure out how to give it to them. Objectivism teaches you to be a selfish narcisistic retard with no empathy for others. Every person I've ever met in corporate America who called themselves an objectivist is a fucking useless retard. Also, Ayn Rand was a Russian PsyOp who showed up in America with 3 shitty pre-written books and mysteriously enough money to immediately gain access to DC high society. Atheism is the religion of retards btw. Smart people can use the God-given power of rational thought to deduce the existence of God.

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>>136783754
hey pol, who is your ideal casting choice for (((Dagny Taggart)))?

>>136784409
>Ayn Rand died while subsisting on welfare.
False. She took medicaid to help pay for her lung cancer treatment.
In any case, she paid social security all her life, so if anything the money was hers to begin with.

>>136784936
>Living on welfare was against her wishes, if I remember correctly.

Against her wishes? I'm pretty sure nobody wants to live on welfare mate.

And it's not like she didn't have a choice to decide to starve to death for her beliefs, she could have and other people who espoused the same beliefs as her as a matter of fact did.

She was weak.

>>136786144
Read: >>136786138

It's just some Jewish lady justifying being a cunt

>>136783754
It espouses a great philosophy; but don't take that philosophy too serious, still be you while giving it credence.

People who militantly follow it are assholes and tend to have no friends.

>>136785372
Lisa Anne

>>136783754
The Fountainhead is better as a story about two different men, one being praised as a success who is never really allowed to succeed, and the other being one who defies society and makes success for himself in a world that declared him a failure.

>>136785068
You are so retarded holy shit

>>136786232
Ayn Rand didn't believe in any government yet benefited from the American government

She wanted to bring down the system that kept her alive, she was literally a parasite

>>136784409
>welfare

Stop lying.

>>136786627
>Rand didn't believe in any government

Rand hated anarchists. If you had read a word she wrote, then you would know that.

>>136786627
>she didn't believe in any government
She outlined the government's role in Atlas Shrugged - protecting it's citizens from foreign threats, rights violations, etc.
She believed in an anarcho-capitalist utopia, but that doesn't mean she wanted the entire American system to collapse.

It got me into classic liberalism/the austrian school of economics. So i'm glad I've read it. It's shit writing but it's a must. I think it displays egoism and upstanding moral values too.

It's one of, if not, the best selling book in the US. Make what you want of that sentence.

>>136783754
The protagonist is a (((liberated))) feminist whore fucking her way to John Galt.

>>136786870
> hated anarchists
Galt's Gultch was an anarcho-capitalist's wet dream, minus the memes

>300 page monologue

Just write a fucking essay, Rand. Women writers.

>>136784227
This in large part. Book is not perfect but rather an answer in opposition to collectivism. Her book Anthem is a shorter more distilled look at same.
/pol/ asks itself every day , " Who Is John Galt ? "

>>136786627
In a way I guesse you are a bit right. For someone who so vehemently believed in savage capitalism, she chose a pretty unprofitable career as a book writer.
In a way it's a bit hypocritical of her to choose that, which was likely her passion, and not something more profitable.

>>136786232
>>136786138

You do realize Ayn Rand got a free education from a college in the Soviet Union?

It wasn't just medicare.

>>136783754
>Aynus rand
Harry Potter is at least 7 times better than fatlas sharted.
IDK why burgers like assgas sherbert so much. Probably because it's nearly picture book tier in terms of writing.
Any right wing Nazi dumbass who reads fatass lassgas shiggy doggy fugged is probably better off reading fucking warrior shats

>>136787178
A bit unfair of you to account that since she was young when that happen, and didn't have a choice.

>>136783754
Yes
Yes
Yes
If they come to take it all away from you, burn it to the ground.

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>>136785372

>>136787246
(You) use a lot of ass metaphors.
>fag flag

>>136783754
Read the "Fountainhead" and "We the Living" instead. It gets her ideology across, and isn't too long winded.

>>136787287
>A bit unfair of you to account that since she was young when that happen, and didn't have a choice.

Oh come the fuck on.

You think little poor Ayn Rand was forced against her will to take free education? That if she had a choice, she'd eschew this enormous socio-economic ladder being offered her to suffer all by her objectivist, lonesome, self?

She was a parasite that benefitted massively from the systems she demonized.

>>136787142
I feel like the core element wasn't that one should build their life around maximizing their profit, but rather build your life around your passions and never settle for anything less than your best.
That was my interpretation, at least. Note that all of her main protagonists do what they love to do, not what brings them the most profit or wealth.

>>136786979
Remember that Ayn Rand grew up in Russia under an oppressive ruler, followed by a violent anarchist movement which lead to another oppressive government.

>>136787246
ur gay

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>>136785372
Dana Perino

Anyways, what are you faggots reading?

I'm currently reading Republic by Plato. I just recently started reading routinely and I have created quite a list. I just finished The Prince.

>>136787571
My goodness, this place is infested with children.
Can't people argue here without making these ridiculous strawman "arguments"?

>>136787735
Nice one confagerate FlAG

>>136787905
>Snek
Sever yourself dumb retard

>>136787848
blood meridian by cormac mccarthy

>>136787848
Crime and Punishment

>>136783754

I don't get my political ideas from women

>>136787905
>Shit, he's right, Ayn Rand got where she was because of her free college education
>That, if it weren't free, she'd never have been able to graduate especially considering she was a woman.

>Better call it a strawman and pretend it doesn't undercut my argument that Ayn Rand was self-made

God.

Go fuck yourself.

>>136788219
Nobody made the argument that Rand was self-made.
You originally sperged out about her dying while on welfare, and when you got called on that, you changed the subject to her educational history, which occurred before any of her ideology was codified.

>>136786979
>Galt's Gultch was an anarcho-capitalist's wet dream

Wrong. It was forming a government. The last chapter has the judge adding a new amendment to the Constitution.

>>136783754
Just watch The Incredibles my dude.

>>136788556
>You originally sperged out about her dying while on welfare, and when you got called on that, you changed the subject to her educational history, which occurred before any of her ideology was codified.

My entire point was that she's a hypocrite, and that she died on welfare does emphasize that.

That her entire fortune is predicated on a free college degree moreso.

Without taking advantage of a welfare state she'd have died some unknown whore in the backwoods of Soviet Russia.

It's one of the most captivating books ever, even though nothing barely happens. It's turbo-capitalist porn.

>>136787178
>Rand got a free education from a college in the Soviet Union

No she didn't. Where do you people get those lies? A marxist cartoon about Ayn Rand?

>>136783754
>notable theme that you took away from it?
mind control

>>136788611
However, the constitution did not apply to the Gultch, but rather the new America which they were about to rebuild.
If I had to assume, I'd say that Rand would think anarcho-capitalism was an unrealistic, but preferable utopia.

>>136783754
>>136783863
Ayn Rand is pure trash. It's naive ultra conservatism mixed in with pseudo philosophy.

Objectivism is loosely based on unprofessional half educated people reading Kant and not understanding what he was writing about.

>>136783754
I bought the audiobook and have listened to it several times. If you're into that type of stuff (podcasts) it's worth a listen. Rand was way too descriptive and that is why it's so long. She's not right about everything but she nailed what the media and academia would turn into.

Read The Fountainhead. It's an easier book to read and a good story too.

>>136783754

Read "My Life" by Oswald Mosley instead. It's much less likely to turn you into a cuck for Jews.

>>136788848
>No she didn't.
Yes.

She did.

She went to the University of Petrograd in the Soviet Union.

>>136783754
It is neither well-written nor amazing, but it does a decent job of explaining a free market and libertarian ideals. Probably not worth the 1000 page read, but I had a week of nothing to do so w/e.

>>136783754
>(((Ayn Rand))) was born to a Jewish bourgeois family.

>>136789127
>the constitution did not apply to the Gultch, but rather the new America

Now you are just lying. Rand has never, ever supported anarchists. Prove me wrong and post a Rand quote.

>If I had to assume

That's all you have been doing the entire thread. Lying marxists are spewing propaganda that is older than all of us, but you never refute them. You seem to go along with whatever they say.

>>136784936
>Living on welfare was against her wishes, if I remember correctly

>>136783754
>post the same thread on /lit/
>nobody responds because the book is trash
>post the same thread on /pol/
>50+ replies

Ayn Rand is one of those authors you read while a teenager and it ruins you for positive social integration for the rest of your days on earth desu. Like Tolkien and yea bout as useful

>>136783754
It's not particularly well written and the message is pretty simple. It's just anti communist/soviet propaganda, which is always good and necessary, but I don't think you need it.

Read something deeper and interesting, like Crime and punishment, Don Quixote or Beyond good and evil.

>>136789571
>She went to the University

You completely failed to prove that it was "free".

I agree with a lot of her philosophy, and have never had trouble with long novels, but the political message was so heavy-handed and repetitive that I couldn't even finish it

>>136790365
You dumbass, it was a college -In the Soviet Union-

All colleges in the Soviet Union were free of tuition costs.

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Objectivism is for people who don't understand critical thinking at all.

Colors of objects are a subjective attributes that brains assign to frequencies of light. We are not viewing the properties of the world "in of itself" in these cases. We are viewing through a subjective way of intuiting data. We could just as easily be wired differently just as surely as a dog has a spatial sense of smell or a bat a different spatial aspect of sound.

>>136786880

this.

>>136790122
Have you ever actually been to lit? Those faggots read the worst trash. They're always reading "I wanna kill myself" books about how meaningless life is and then pretending that the books are deep rather than admitting they are useless faggots with no value to humanity.

>>136783754
only numale cuck beards read

BE A MAN AND GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE SKY

seriously faggots if you take the time to sit and read books you should be burned along with them

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>>136783754

this is what a real philosopher looks like

The book itself ought to be read as akin to golden age SF like The Shadow or Doc Savage. John Galt has a machine that stops the world, theres SF worthy metal alloys, an industrialist that turns pirate, etc. It gets bogged down with speeches and trains, and the movies are utter shit. Theres a good novel to be edited out from it but then the Rand version of Scientologists would scream autistically

>>136790649

Who told you that shit? Michael Moore? Moore says that Cuba has the best healthcare in the entire world.

>>136783754
It is worth a read. Not worth idolism of it however.
Should oodle your noodle a bit.

>>136791293
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0000/000013/001300eo.pdf

>Higher school workers most frequently share the view that any capable person should have the opportunity of following higher education. But frequently the problem of accessibility of higher education to the people is turned merely into a theoretical problem.

>The main element in this problem is: what
practical measures can ensure the people the
actual opportunity of receiving a higher education. In our country the State ensures the accessibility of higher education by a number of measures. We shall mention the most important of them. Universities will develop successfully if they are able constantly to draw from among talented people, students who received a sufficient education for mastering the sciences they teach. The Soviet
school ensures such a possibility. The Soviet Union has introduced compulsory eight-year education and is promoting full secondary education (10-11 years) in every way. Tuition in schools is free.

I'm going to stop at that last part because formatting text copied from that pdf is a fucking pain.

>Tuition in schools is free.

>>136783754

Ayn Rand is overrated, grow up.

>>136783754
It's complete trash, just like anything else written by ayn rand.

>>136787848

Not a faggot but reading:

Oswald Mosley's autobiography
Culture of Critique
Snorre's Edda
Six Saga Adventures translated by Ben Waggoner

>>136790918

Isn't he just a Jungian arch-type conversationalist?

>>136792013

You're right but stop saying grow up and grow up.

>>136791293
>Moore says that Cuba has the best healthcare in the entire world.

Sure, their doctors earn $26 a month. Also, the hotels beg tourists for their aspirins and whatever medicines they can give at the end of the stay.

>>136783754
Wait, didn't this book had another name? And a slightly different cover?

>spurdo sharted

>>136783754
Read it in high school and it was my favorite book. Really related to Hank Rearden, and do even more now that I have had more real-life non-school experience.

Notable theme: competence. I wanted to always be like Rearden, Dagny, John Galt, Francisco, Wyatt, etc. Never like any of the stupid parasites that leech off of the businessmen (and woman). Motivated me to see how much of a weapon compassion can be if the wrong people try to manipulate it.
Pretty useful for people to read when younger before they have to deal with government and society.

>>136792603

Did you say something leaf?

Atlas Shrugged is just like Thus Spake Zarathustra in that it has a very interesting and unusual message, but one that is pretty much the same throughout the book, and you can understand it within the first 1/3. So for both books, that's what I read, flipped through the rest to see that it's just the same message repeated, and was very glad I did.

So no need to read all of it. But you should read some of it, until you get bored.

Atlas Shrugged is unique for a number of reasons:

- the antagonist is an incompetent modern government. Something that's extremely rare, and a big reason leftists hate it so intensely.

Antagonists in most books, particularly books leftists like, are always something that doesn't hurt their psychopathic agenda. A giant multinational corporation. A single greedy person. Bad people working within a good government who can be recognized and removed. A single very evil government like Nazi Germany that the forces of good can defeat and replace with socialism.

Virtually never is it a government that fails and is bad because of petty incompetence, corruption and a lack of morality, even at the highest levels. Even though this is something that plagues left-wing groups worldwide. Like the Department of Veteran Affairs in the US. Or Maduro's government. Leftists can dismiss an a monster that's evil in big ways as "Not Socialist" - but they cannot dismiss a socialist government that's corrupt and evil in small ways.

- Some people are more extraordinarily skilled than others, and they can choose how to use this power. Leftist literature and ideology demands on pain of death that the strong sacrifice themselves for the weak, "work according to ability", where the strongest are recognized like Stakhanovites, but it's KEY that the strongest MUST sacrifice all. And they have entire systems to ensure that the strong sacrifice.

Atlas Shrugged, and Thus Spake Zarathustra, show that the strong actually have a choice. cont.

>>136794333

Atlas Shrugged, and Thus Spake Zarathustra, show that the strong actually have a choice. The strong can even judge that the weak are in large part evil, greedy, manipulative, lazy leeches, in small ways.

Atlas Shrugged is hence deathly poison to leftist ideas and ideals. To them, the strong must ALWAYS sacrifice, without question. As part of this it's key to make the poor seem the best and most virtuous, even if they are often the thieves, liars, exploiters, rapists. Leftists shake with glee each time a "strong" person can be exposed as an individualist who has bad traits, completely ignoring that most of the absolute pieces of shit around are amongst the poor. Atlas Shrugged shows that the strong can judge themselves - judge with their eyes and minds - who is worthy. Leftists have never had a problem with judging massively at intensively, in fact, they hardly do anything but judge. Atlas Shrugged, like Thus Spake Zarathustra, shows that also the strong can judge.

- Related to the previous, there's a scene where some shitty poor people are trying to guilt trip and exploit a wealthy, decent person. And he chooses not to help them. As mentioned, this is a toxin to leftist ideology.

Leftists try to play Atlas Shrugged as having the message "you should not help poor people". That's a lie, understandably so because all the insects and psychopaths do is lie. The message of Atlas Shrugged, like Thus Spake Zarathustra, is that you have the power and right to judge and to choose who you help. You might even choose to help the poor and weak. But you might also choose not to, which is a fatal poison to their ideology.

Another quite revealing aspect about Atlas Shrugged isn't in the book itself, but in how leftists treat it. It's not a book with amazing writing, just acceptably good, and it has the problem as mentioned that ideas repeat themselves. This makes it an OK book, other than the extraordinary themes as mentioned.

cont.

>>136791886
HOLY SHIT YOU STUPID FUCKNUT HE IS SAYING THAT TUITION ISN'T "FREE" BECAUSE TAXPAYERS FUCKING PAY FOR IT YOU FUCKING MONG. PLEASE FUCKIGN STAB YOURSELF IN THE NECK, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARDED OXYGEN THIEF AND EVEN THOUGH THEY SPELLED IT OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CONTINUED TO TRY AND PROVE THAT SHE A.) ATTENDED A UNIVERSITY IN THE USSR AND THAT B.) THE UNIVERSITIES WERE IN A COMMUNIST NATION.

WOW YOU'RE A FUCKING GENIUS.

>>136783754
>an amazing and well-written book
Okay, she has some points but you'd have to be absolutely brain dead to have thought that Galt's speech wasn't overly long to the point of being dull.

>>136787056
Halfway through his speech I stopped asking that and started asking "When is John Galt going to shut the hell up?"

>>136795203

But the "red pill" in this regard is seeing how intensely leftists hate it, and hate Ayn Rand. They will go out of their way to spit venom at her from great distances, then short distances,, then keep spitting as they walk past like some kind of spit-and-piss turret.

This kind of intense, expressive hatred isn't something they direct at most books. In fact, at very, very few books. But this book contains a message that is dangerous to them, and muddies up their ideological unquestioning purity, so the hate they show for it is far stronger than the hate they show for any random murderer or rapist.

That's a true redpill and a core message - not the book itself, but in how leftists react to Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged.

>>136795318

>Okay, she has some points but you'd have to be absolutely brain dead to have thought that Galt's speech wasn't overly long to the point of being dull.

If you didn't find what X said "overly long to the point of being dull", then you have to be ABSOLUTELY BRAINLESS.

Isn't this a rather strong reaction to something that's merely "dull"? There's infinite "overly long and dull" books and videos out there. Why is it so very important that people find it dull, so important that they are completely brainless if they don't find it dull?

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>>136783754
>Is it truly an amazing book and well-written? Worth the very long read?

Hey anon,
I'm reading it right now, got to the end of book two yesterday.
Yes it is amazing, it is peerless when it comes to isolating and examining the impulses that drive the left. It gives them literally no credit at all. The satire against them is endless, remorseless and hilarious. It is absolutely day of the rope tier savage fucking beauty.

Is it well written? Fucking A. Her plotting is absolutely stellar. There is always something happening, absolutely fuck loads of surprises. The characterisation is great - she kills the leftist worms brilliantly, though the protagonists can come across as a little chilly that really doesn't hurt the book because they do develop more and more feelings as the book goes along and America sinks into the abyss.

Also, it is very much a 'womans' book, but in a good way - (redpill your volkisch darlings) she spends alot of time giving us Dagny Taggart's feelings about the potboiler love triangle she is in. So it has that magic of bridging low culture and high art.

I'm an oldfag - nearly fifty (dewyeyedcat.jpg) and am pretty well read, have been reading voraciously my whole life, and this fucking thing has hit me like a train(!) I am in awe of it and consider it one of the greatest works of art I have come across.

So yes, it's shit hot. Break off some time and wade through it. There is nothing else like it out there.

>>136796015
Sorry, "absolutely brain dead". That's even stronger. Either you find this overly long and ull, or you're absolutely braindead.

>>136787178

Her family had every ounce of wealth they had attained stolen by Soviet Russia.

>>136783754
Honestly it's a great introduction to libertarian ideas. Most people who bash it either don't have the patience it or are just hung up on her (((ethnicity))). There are enough original ideas in it that it's worth your time.

>>136796015
It's because many libertardians believe this speech to be gospel, some kind of a manifesto for the one true religion of self-interest. The fact that they attach themselves to this horribly-written, self-indulgent scrap heap of errant consonants is a testament to how poor the average libertarian's ability to reason actually is.

Because it is objectively terrible writing, and because it is so beloved, it reveals the emotional effect that is has on its readers, an effect which blinds them to its shit-poor quality. That, in turn, reveals that the true motivations for adherence to the objectivist philosophy are not philosophical pursuit, but navel-gazing and narcissism.

>>136795203
>It's not a book with amazing writing, just acceptably good,

I love the points you made but I think you are wrong on this one - her prose sparkles and is as tight as a drum, the pacing is God tier.

>>136785068
>Objectivism teaches you to be a selfish narcisistic retard with no empathy for others.

Objectivism teaches you to understand, respect, and deal honestly with others.

>>136796463

A string of ad-hominems does not make an argument.

I cringe at the "it's just" comments here. Write your own best seller, always controversial book fags.

How do you guys read long books like this? Do you just read it straight for an hour an a month? Do you maybe read 3 hours a day instead of one because it's so long? Do you read 300 pages, take a break to read something else, then pick it back up? I find books over 500 pages intimidating.

>>136784127
Beta

>>136783754
Yes I have read it.
It is pure degenerate shit. It promotes the exact opposite of a healthy society. It is not objectivism, it is egoism. Typical jewish view of goys.

>>136796889
decide to read for 10 minutes and then continue if u feel like it

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This thread is extremely light on quotes.

>>136796463
>many libertardians believe this speech to be gospel, some kind of a manifesto for the one true religion of self-interest.

Really? How many "libertardians" do you know?

I could have sworn I thought it was a good and interesting book with some exceptional and important ideas - but did not at any point ascribe religious gospel status to it.

>The fact that they attach themselves to this horribly-written, self-indulgent scrap heap of errant consonants is a testament to how poor the average libertarian's ability to reason actually is.

That's interesting and funny. See what I wrote above:

"But the "red pill" in this regard is seeing how intensely leftists hate it, and hate Ayn Rand. They will go out of their way to spit venom at her from great distances, then short distances,, then keep spitting as they walk past like some kind of spit-and-piss turret. This kind of intense, expressive hatred isn't something they direct at most books. In fact, at very, very few books. But this book contains a message that is dangerous to them, and muddies up their ideological unquestioning purity, so the hate they show for it is far stronger than the hate they show for any random murderer or rapist. That's a true redpill and a core message - not the book itself, but in how leftists react to Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged."

Like, I literally write that leftists act a certain way, and immediately, just seconds later, a leftist comes along and acts just like I said. That's a pretty good call made by myself.

>objectively terrible writing ... shit-poor quality.

And more of the same. This is rather intense for a book you just think is poorly written, no? How many books do you cut out your own guts just to get bile to throw at in this way?

>That, in turn, reveals that the true motivations for adherence to the objectivist philosophy are not philosophical pursuit, but navel-gazing and narcissism.

Ah, so the ideology was what it was really about, just like I described above.

>>136783754
There are some great nuggets in Atlas Shrugged. Francisco's money speech is one of my favorites. You can look it up online prior to reading the book to get a taste of her writing style and way of thinking.

>>136796889
>I find books over 500 pages intimidating

Read "We the Living". It's about the Soviet Union and what SJWs are “progressing” towards.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/045123359X?keywords=we%20the%20living&qid=1453439011&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

What I took away from Atlas Shrugged is Ayn Rand repeats the same thing over and over again, and she likes long winded speeches that span an entire chapter that doesn't go anywhere. It makes some good points for meritocracy but it places no value on anyone's labour but the owners. You can safely skip a lot of it, especially when she goes off on a long winded proclamation that says the same point over and over again.

>>136790655
>We are viewing through a subjective way of intuiting data. We could just as easily be wired differently just as surely as a dog has a spatial sense of smell or a bat a different spatial aspect of sound.

The fact that your perceptions are subjective and unique to yourself does not mean that they do not correspond to reality. People use 'red' to refer to perception of light of a specific wavelength, and that has meaning; some people may like that color, others may not, but they can agree on what wavelength of light they're talking about even if their perception of that wavelength is entirely different. This is because our perceptions are (largely) consistent across time, and our concepts match our percepts, and our language matches our concepts. All of these things need to happen for us to even have this conversation. The fact that the internet works at all, that people can coordinate effort entirely through text, is SCREAMING evidence that the senses are valid information about the world we live in. Certainly our percepts, concepts, and language can all have flaws and inconsistencies, but the fact that we can communicate at all speaks toward SOME sort of objective reality.

>>136797030

>It promotes the exact opposite of a healthy society

Ah. So not merely something somewhat bad, but the book promotes "the exact opposite" of healthy. The most unhealthy that can possibly exist, unhealthy above everything else. Rather strong words for a simple book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejVMFLpQuY
according to rothbard she was a complete psycho

ITT:

>Hurr durrr Ayn Rand didn't practice what she preached

Go ask that fat faggot R.R. Martin if he ever sat on the Iron Throne, bedded the Queen of Dragons, etc.

Pro-tip: Atlas Shrugged has many valuable lessons. Your inability to learn doesn't mean the book or author sucks. It means you're a fucking retarded autistic mongoloid who thinks Harry Potter and Optimus Prime actually exist.

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>>136795203
>>136795858

Links for convenience

>>136795203
>- Related to the previous, there's a scene where some shitty poor people are trying to guilt trip and exploit a wealthy, decent person. And he chooses not to help them.

If he's not helping people he would seem not to be a decent person if we define decent as unselfish

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>>136783754

Why the fuck would I read anything written by a fucking jew?

>>136796889
>How do you guys read long books like this? Do you just read it straight for an hour an a month? Do you maybe read 3 hours a day instead of one because it's so long? Do you read 300 pages, take a break to read something else, then pick it back up? I find books over 500 pages intimidating.

I bought it in Feb cause I was going to New York on business and it is set there quite a lot. I've been reading it on the tube in London - generally about seven pages a day. I also have read it very closely - meaning if I drift off and realise I didn't absorb what I just read, I go back and pick up from just before. I do this not because I'm a Randian freak, but to be as critical as possible (if i drifted off was it being boring or untrue in some way)

After months plowing through it I have to say there isn't a bum note in there. This book is her gift to the world. She clearly poured her heart into it. I don't think I could say that if I hadn't read it as attentively as I have done. I mean yeah, sure buy it and skim it if you want, but you won't then necessarily have too much confidence in your reaction to it.

TLDR - buckle in bucko, it's a big read and will take a long time. Also, don't spoiler it. I bought it knowing nothing (wouldnt even read the back cover blurb) this helped more than anything because she is great at plotting and the book does have a natural narrative pull. Basically get off here away from these neckbeards who will potentially cliffs note it for you.

>>136783754

As someone who has actually read the book, unlike 90% of the thread I'd assume (based on just about every Atlas Shrugged thread, ever), it's good but not great. Some of the book is really top notch, while other parts are boring and drawn out. It's well-written enough though. I'd give it a solid 8/10 on the toilet readership scale.

>>136797076
>>136797291
not helpful

>>136783754
The fountain head is better.

The main Character isn't a cuck.

In the fountain head the guy litteraly rapes the romantic interest to start the relationship.

>>136797823
>If he's not helping people he would seem not to be a decent person if we define decent as unselfish

You don't have to be selfish to deny support to shitty, awful, exploitative, manipulative people.

You can deny support for them because you judge them to be bad, and give support to others you judge to be good.

This concept is anathema and toxin to leftist ideology, where you must always sacrifice, and sublimate the individual into the collective. There's no space in their dream of identity erasure for individual judgement by someone of poor people as bad people.

>>136798050
I appreciate the thought you put into your response, but it doesn't remotely address my question. How do you go about reading long books. Do you read them straight through? do you do the other shit I already said?Or do you do something else...

>>136798433
I usually read long books in the evening, with a few hours when I have them free. Obviously you might not have time for that, or watch TV or whatever instead.

>>136798188
You weren't the intended audience.

>>136798332
>You don't have to be selfish to deny support to shitty, awful, exploitative, manipulative people.
>You can deny support for them because you judge them to be bad, and give support to others you judge to be good.

Hardly sounds revolutionary. Helping people you like and not helping people you don't particularly like doesn't make you a good person.

>>136783754
>well written
hahahahahhahahahahahha ... No. The story behind the character is pretty good though. You invent a miracle. Then, you tell society and nobody believes you. Pretty solid foundation for a good story. It's just filled with monologues that shouldve been cut short that is basically rand talking about how evil socialism is through any given character.

Main takeaway isn't even that objectivism is the best, its that if you're getting fucked in the ass by the government you should do something about it.

>>136798547
Do you read other books in between I guess is my main question. Like, if you're reading a 1200 page book, will you also read a 300 page book during breaks from reading the 1200 page book, or do you just read it straight through?

>>136798648

I didn't say it's revolutionary. It's an extremely fundamental concept that virtually everyone should follow, just like breathing. That leftists can't follow it and incite against it shows how antithethical to humanity they are, if anything.


>Helping people you like and not helping people you don't particularly like doesn't make you a good person.

That's interesting. You have rewritten what I wrote, from "judge to be good" into "like".

But to return to what I wrote:

Yes, helping people you judge to be good makes you a good person. You are exercising the virtues of judgement and helping, and you are helping those who deserve to be helped.

Not helping people you judge to be bad is also a good thing, as long as your judgement is acceptably well founded and subject to proportionality. It teaches you to exercise independent judgement, to spend your resources in the best place, and it discourages other people from acting badly.

>>136798918
No, just a single book at a time. It would have to be some very different books to read both. Getting into complex plotlines and multiple characters takes some time and effort, and I'd think it would be harder if you have to juggle multiple with longer breaks.

>>136798918
I'll read articles and forums and such in the middle of reading a book, but I usually only read one book at a time.

>>136798433
>I appreciate the thought you put into your response, but it doesn't remotely address my question. How do you go about reading long books. Do you read them straight through? do you do the other shit I already said?Or do you do something else...

Just read it when you have the time anon, and dont skip at all. I'm a very slow reader but I do give books their due - the close reading part of my response - I think that's more important than the practical time management concerns you have.

I'm on holiday now (hence portuguese flag) and I chewed off seventy pages yesterday because no wi-fi.

I didn't answer with advice about time management because it's not important. Just read it. I have read it in tiny chunks on my daily commute and that has been frustrating because I haven't ready any other books since Feb, so I can probably suggest that - yes - set apart some time or a goal of a number of pages if that helps.

It is a fucking long read. As much as I have been enjoying it I do remember the two months or so where I was chasing the middle of the book (page 587 I believe) and feeling like it was a slog.

I dunno man, read my response again, and check your premises!

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>>136798648
>Helping people you like and not helping people you don't particularly like doesn't make you a good person.

It makes you a great person. One with great judgement. The thing I hate more than wino beggars are the assholes that enable them by give them money.

>>136783754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U

>>136799016
>I didn't say it's revolutionary. It's an extremely fundamental concept that virtually everyone should follow, just like breathing.

People already do follow it. It's just stating the obvious about human social behaviour at a fairly primitve level

>>136799177
>It makes you a great person. One with great judgement.

Just makes you a standard pretty selfish person. Nothing special or unusual.

>>136783754

Written by a jewish exile, everything written by semites is in some way an attempt to swindle the rest of the world into supporting zionist globalism.

Everything you need:

https://mega.nz#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg

Regarding the latest google SJW shit, read:
SJW always lie, Vox Day
That book is a perfect blueprint of how these retards are operrating.

>>136783754
Galt's speech was really the only part of the book worth reading.

>>136783754
You're better off reading a stack of random newspapers from the dump.

>>136799414

You should stick with the same flag through the thread, makes it easier to see that the nazi flag poster has made another post.


>People already do follow it.

Most people? Yes.

Leftists don't want this, at all, however. To quote some relevant parts from the above:


Atlas Shrugged, and Thus Spake Zarathustra, show that the strong actually have a choice. The strong can even judge that the weak are in large part evil, greedy, manipulative, lazy leeches, in small ways. Atlas Shrugged is hence deathly poison to leftist ideas and ideals. To them, the strong must ALWAYS sacrifice, without question. As part of this it's key to make the poor seem the best and most virtuous, even if they are often the thieves, liars, exploiters, rapists. Leftists shake with glee each time a "strong" person can be exposed as an individualist who has bad traits, completely ignoring that most of the absolute pieces of shit around are amongst the poor. Atlas Shrugged shows that the strong can judge themselves - judge with their eyes and minds - who is worthy. Leftists have never had a problem with judging massively at intensively, in fact, they hardly do anything but judge. Atlas Shrugged, like Thus Spake Zarathustra, shows that also the strong can judge.

- Related to the previous, there's a scene where some shitty poor people are trying to guilt trip and exploit a wealthy, decent person. And he chooses not to help them. As mentioned, this is a toxin to leftist ideology.

Leftists try to play Atlas Shrugged as having the message "you should not help poor people". That's a lie, understandably so because all the insects and psychopaths do is lie. The message of Atlas Shrugged, like Thus Spake Zarathustra, is that you have the power and right to judge and to choose who you help. You might even choose to help the poor and weak. But you might also choose not to, which is a fatal poison to their ideology.

>>136799153
There's so much shit I want to read. Sometimes, a lot actually, I will be reading a book and want to start another book. Not so much because I'm bored with the book I'm reading, but because I'm more interested in finding out what is in the next book I want to read.

I do read a lot. But it happens a lot where I'm more interested in finding out what's in a book I'm not reading than the book I am reading and wind up shitposting on /pol/ instead and regret wasting my time. I love learning and reading, but I don't think I'm good at it. I'm not stupid or anything like that, but I feel like I don't read as well as I should be, if that makes sense.

>>136799478

>Just makes you a standard pretty selfish person.

How on earth is it selfish to help good people in need of help?

Why the constant, obscure oneliners that force people to dig through past posts? To quote myself: "Yes, helping people you judge to be good makes you a good person. You are exercising the virtues of judgement and helping, and you are helping those who deserve to be helped."

Helping people you judge to be good is unselfish. It's bizarre, completely wacko, insectile and antihuman, to claim that this is selfish. But it's perfectly in line with what I expect from leftists, because they are insectile and antihuman.

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>>136799478
>Nothing special or unusual

Did you just wake up from a coma? Your countryman are giving away your nation to raping and pillaging muslims. They are ruining civilization just so that they can virtue signal as selfless progressives on Twitter.

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>>136783944
not true. the guy she had been fucking accepts her breakup, but she doesn't stay in relationship with her.

in real life though, she DID do this openly to her husband and it fucked him up a bit. weird since she was ugly as fuck

>>136783754
when i read it i felt it was terribly written--too obvious and overt to the point of being cheesy. I mean every character is 2D, it's just so painful to read 1000 pages of something with no nuance.

That being said, in the years that followed (~5yrs ago) I started to notice the real world emulating the kind of "newsspeak" closer to the book than I'd previously thought possible.

Materialism is this cecity of the mind, which does not conceive that we can only conceive by ourself

The objectivist stand is as chimerical as materialism because it does not take count of the different levels of perception

>>136799793
>But it happens a lot where I'm more interested in finding out what's in a book I'm not reading than the book I am reading and wind up shitposting on /pol/ instead and regret wasting my time.
What I mean here is that instead of reading anything, I wind up reading nothing sometimes, but if I was able to pick up a new book, I would start reading. But I don't, so instead I just shitpost on /pol/ and learn nothing

>>136800000
fuck off leaf

>>136800000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscurantism

"Obscurantism (/ɒbˈskjʊərənˌtJzəm, əb-/ and /ˌɒbskjʊˈræntJzəm/)[1][2] is the practice of deliberately preventing the facts of some subject matter from becoming known. There are two historical and intellectual denotations of Obscurantism: (1) the deliberate restriction of knowledge—opposition to disseminating knowledge; and, (2) deliberate obscurity—an abstruse style (as in literature and art) characterized by deliberate vagueness"

>>136800000
What a load of twaddle. You go to school to talk such trash or were you born that way?

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>>136799793
>There's so much shit I want to read. Sometimes, a lot actually, I will be reading a book and want to start another book. Not so much because I'm bored with the book I'm reading, but because I'm more interested in finding out what is in the next book I want to read.

I know man, shitposting and the Internet in general has crippled my reading - though I think /pol is worth the diversion! It speaks well of you that you want to get on to the next book. It also sounds like you really want to give this book it's due and your concerns derive from your not being a lazy reader.

But I think this is your answer - AS is effectively three books. So read the first one and tell yourself you can hop onto something else afterwards. It's only about 400 pages but is still an absolute epic. If you give up after book one you will have got a hell of alot out of it.

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Francisco d'Anconia's 'Money Speech' from Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQqFGLDdJ0

>>136784227
This is exactly right.

Its not a book for everyone. If you have been popping red pills for years then you will have an adverse reaction to some of the ideas.

If you are starting your journey then it is definitely recommended reading.

People who dismiss Atlas Shrugged as rubbish are disingenuous to the cause. The reason the book is so famous reflects the impact it has had on millions of readers and society as a whole.

I read it when I was about 20. It is now nearly 20 years later and I can say with certainty that this book had a profound affect on my thinking at the time and has really helped shape my own journey.

The book pays homage to the humble entrepreneur who is motivated by achievement rather than money.

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>>136796889
download the audiobook off piratebay or something and listen with a bluetooth headphone on your phone or whatever while you do shit that doesn't require your full audio attention, like driving, cooking, other chores, waiting in line, etc... you can absorb a lot of information like this.

>>136783754
Liberals hate it, do you need more proof that the book is good?