Why do civic natcucks think minorities will embrace limited government

>>136768526
>Why do civic natcucks think minorities will embrace limited government and other conservative values

these people dont even exist.

its just jews or other minorities larping as white civic nationalists so they cant move to the west for welfare + white women

>>136768526
You're fake news.
I just don't know if you known it or no t

>>136768526
If limited government and conservative were superior, even an idiot would support them.

Right? They are superior yeah?

>>136768526

they don't think these things through

it's like catholic traditionalist natsocs who are against abortion, even thought its one of the only things keeping dumb minority populations from exploding, who would then vote abortion back into legality anyway

when it comes to politics feelz beats realz everytime

>>136768526
This is why we need secession so those of us who don't want to foot the bill for all these gibs.

>>136768526

I can't stand this midget jew. Don't understand why /pol/ has lately been shilling for him as an "intelligent man" when he doesn't even understand that ideology and culture comes from ethnicity. And pointing at individuals who may have completely assimilated doesn't change that fact because they are an exception to the rule. People are naturally tribal and want to stay with their own. If what Ben is saying were true, there would be no such thing as white flight.

Also nice to know that /pol/ now is supporting a guy who is a openly in favor of white genocide.

>>136768526
Explain to me how you implement/enforce national socialism without invalidating the rights of American citizens.
We are having enough trouble even deporting illegals, you think it's going to be easy to strip citizenship and deport legal US citizens?

>>136768526
What evidence? I'm brown while not the most conservative, I definitely am feeling Shapiro's shit

I USED to be very liberal, but then I got out of college, more freedom, looked up shit myself. Ideology is definitely what matters. Most liberals are oppressed cucks looking to perpetuate that.

And yes, this means blacks are oppressed too. EVERYBODY is. Just not in the ways the libs want you to think.

>>136768526
They don't. They want cheap labor at the expense of the American worker.

>>136768526
Because the Browning of America is over hyped and will fall by the wayside. Brownies have to go back, be marginalized, or be bleached. That's the long term plan. No one thinks browns will learn how to think straight en masse. And it's.not genetically possible for different races to get along en masse anyway.

Niggers and spics are VERY religious.

you might be able to use that to positively affect their culture if you could get them into a church that didn't automatically promise them absolution in exchange for gibs.

>YALL NEEDA GET RIGHT WIT GAWD!!!!
>gives $5
>YOU. ARE. BLESSID!!!!!!

>>136768526
Ben Shapiro is not even a civic nationalist, he is a free trade loving, corporate cock sucker

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>>136769151
Are you embracing a failed ideology (civic nationalism) just because you think that you don't have other alternative?

>>136769728
No. I'm asking how can you have national socialism without infringing on inalienable rights granted to American citizens.
Do you have an answer?

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>>136768526
>Why do civic natcucks think minorities will embrace limited government and other conservative values?

All the "limited government" red parts of America are entirely dependent financially on the blue states.

You may support limited government but you're still subhuman waste.

>>136769971
>National socialism or white minority in white countries.

Your premise is just ridiculous.

>>136768526

because 90% of the civic nationalists here are non-white or mixed race

>>136769213

go home

>>136770272
>republicans are welfare queens
no surprise desu

>>136770272
Real economy vs financial economy.

I assure you, ben shapiro will think quite different of the browning of Israel.

a jewish cunt not caring about mixing ... how is that news?

>>136769501
Reminder: Without White men America would have gone full blown Communist by now.
We are the only thing maintaining civilization.

>>136769447

All of Latin America is very religious. They're also extremely socialist, violent, unintelligent, and dysfunctional.

This has noting to do with Democrats promising gibs or making mestizos leftists- Latin America makes the Democratic Party look far-right by comparison.

>>136768526
Civic nationalists don't exist, it's just liberals in disguise trying to subvert their opposition

>>136770935
>They're also extremely socialist, violent, unintelligent, and dysfunctional.
That's just part of having native blood

>>136770480
What premise? You didn't answer a simple question. Nobody in this thread did.
How do you enforce national socialism without infringing inalienable rights of US citizens?

If you refuse to answer or cannot answer, do not bother replying.
I have not said what my ideology is because it is irrelevant to the question so stop making baseless assumptions and dodging the question.

>>136768526
They don't believe in race realism. They think ideology trumps genetics and tribalism.

>>136768526
>civic natcucks
Ben Shapiro isn't a civil nationalist because (((nationalism))) is garbage.

>>136769971
Demoralize diversity and strangle immigration.

>>136770272
Red States don't contribute state tax funds to their welfare programs as much as blue states. Blue states tax their citizens more than red States and contribute this funds to welfare programs. So if the graphic you posted was posted next to another graphic which showed the percentages of both state and federal tax funds that went to welfare programs then the red state percentages would rise very little and the blue states percentages would all rise to above the levels of the red States.

>>136771209
>How do you enforce national socialism without infringing inalienable rights of US citizens?

Reinterpret parts of the constitution, remove citizenship from non-whites, and abolish democracy.

>>136769151

>Easy

Of course not. It will be the most daunting project we've ever engaged in since pushing the Muslims out of Iberia and the Balkans:m. But it must be done, no matter how difficult it is, because the alternative is Brazil and South Africa.

The people you're callin American citizens can make that claim
only because leftists took control of the country and handed them some paper. Under the founding terms of this country, citizenship was 100% limited only
to white people. That is our nation, that is who we are.

None of this is new, by the way- Coolidge forcefully deported plenty of Mestizos with citizenship. I'm
not taking about illegal immigrants- I'm
talking about full-on legal American citizens who were removed from the country.

And we don't need "National Socialism", I have no interest in trying to revive some 20th century German ideology. We just need white peoples to have homes.

>>136770846
You're next though

>>136769151
You don't. You drastically reduce all immigration, and then drastically reduce free money from the government.

And then you have based rich philanthropists offer cash in exchange for voluntary vasectomies.

>>136771209
A NatSoc government would be smaller than the federal government is today. If our tax dollars were only going towards white people there would be no massive epidemic of permanent welfare dependence, there would be no medicare abuse, we wouldn't even need an IRS as we could have simple flat tax rates.

Why do you think a smaller government would be worse than what we have now?

>>136771209
Your question is simply absurd, no one is advocating for national socialism.

>>136768526
Beta Ben on the Alt lite why am I not surprised.

>>136771405
>remove citizenship from non-whites
You cannot remove citizenship from someone because of their race.
America is a republic aka representative democracy.

What you suggest is no better than leftist marxists who also want to destroy America for what they want.

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>>136768526
>Virtue signalling
I don't neccessarily disagree with him, but why choose this hill to die on?

Ben hates Trump because his political instincts are awful.

>>136770272
>States with high non-white populations receive the most federal aid
Shocking! Why does your map break it down by state instead of race or party affiliation? Oh, right, because you don't get the desired impression once you realize it's all the blacks and native Americans in red states taking that money.

>>136771628
Wrong.

>>136768526
Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Why doesn't he realize that those same brown people he supports hate Jewish people even more than the whites do? Does he now get it?

>>136771662
>You cannot remove citizenship from someone because of their race.
Says who? Marxists in the 60's that determined race to be a "protected class" which had never before existed in the US?

If you embrace marxist civil rights bullshit, then how do you think you can fight against their agenda?

>America is a republic aka representative democracy.
No, it doesn't mean democracy at all, Democracy is the whole fucking problem.

>>136768526
Because he's a jew.

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ben shapiro is your typical two-faced neocon zionist kike. open borders multiculti (genocide) for the goyim, ethnostate for the jews

>>136771440

G-d, this.

>>136771537
>>136771361

So you cap and control immigration and get acceptance of the issue. That doesn't alter the demographics of people already here.

>>136771798
Jews feel they fit better in a mongrelized brown "society" like Brazil or South Africa than in a white country.

You gotta understand Jews live almost totally segregated in the US, they have seperate schools, summer camps, police, etc

>>136771662
Japs were interned because their race during WW2. America has a lot of historical examples of discrimination based on race.

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>>136771849
>A leaf telling americans how to run their country

Ben Shapiro is crazy smart and is completely right on transgenders and the elitist fascism. The biggest jew moment of his life was when he played a jew song on a violin and said he wanted to be the first rabbi to go to supreme court.

I do think he should be involved in the government.

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>>136771662
>Knows nothing about historic examples of republics
Republic of Venice had no representation for a huge portion of the city - those considered unrelated to the founders.

>Roman Republic
4 Votes for ALL prols (no savings or property)
100 votes for top 5% of wealth.
100 votes for everyone else.

>US/UK
Property requirements to vote extending into near the end of the 19th century.

Universal equal suffrage is a modern anomaly that would rightly horrify ancients and our near ancestors. It is a horrendous idea that is not in accordance with a successful government, but rather, fulfilling fantasies of "equality" because Western governments became so powerful they could survive in spite of this abject stupidity.

because (((civic nationals))) are just a bunch of kikes or beta male white cucks, or anti-white shitskins trying to get white pussy...

>>136771440
>Under the founding terms of this country, citizenship was 100% limited only to white people.
Prove it to me.

>None of this is new, by the way- Coolidge forcefully deported plenty of Mestizos with citizenship. I'm
>not taking about illegal immigrants- I'm
>talking about full-on legal American citizens who were removed from the country.
I would also like to see the source for this.

So what is the whole problem with civic nationalism if you do not advocate for national socialism?
White people have homes, are you in support for a new ideology or and existing one? Don't give me that no labels crap you know everything fits a classification.

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>>136772064
That's right. Forcible deportation are politically untenable barring some kind of spectacular event.

Look at the optimistic projections of leftists that want the browning of America. You see that asians and blacks stay basically flat while whites shrink and lationos increase.

This is a totally fixable problem, all you have to do is build a wall and intact policies to restrict new immigration, and then cut off government money that subsidies mexicans popping out babies. The coup de grace would be voluntary sterilization programs but even without them we can stop and modestly reverse the browning.

The increasing latino proportion is entirely dependent upon government subsidy, remove that and it stops.

>>136771789
Right.

National Socialism is an unrepeatable ideology because it was the result of a particular moment in the German history.

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GTKRWN.

>>136772273
You legitimately have no idea what Fascism is, and you have no idea what Shapiro's politics are.
Trannies are a completely periphery issue brought about by the gay rights movement, and that as well was entirely pushed by Jews in media. Shapiro is loyal only to his own tribe. He isn't American. Stop being a brain washed goyim.

>>136771698
Neoliberal states have shitloads of non whites too.

And yet they don't rely on federal aid.

Weird.

>>136771662

Democracy is one of the most retarded, destructive, and dysgenic systems ever hoisted upon us. Democracy is the exact thing we are here to fight against.

I don't support the liberal Whig reberals who led the American Revolution- our people were in this land for centuries before they hung up their red white and blue flag everywhere. But even those
morons had enough wisdom to severely limit the voting franchise to white men who owned property. Under the founding terms of naturalization in 1790, citizenship was limited only to white people; no non-white can claim to be an American under anything else than leftist perversions.

Coolidge deported american citizens based on their race. Even the leftist FDR interned American citizens based on their race. If we can successfully shift the overton window back to a point where whites have a survival instinct, we can do it again. If we have to ditch the constitution altogether and start from scratch, that's fine too, though we should be able to keep the Bill of Rights and much of the original intention.

>>136769133

America becomming brown is not white genocide.

>>136772013
ben is the kook

counter semitism is the way

>>136770272
>brainlets still don't understand this chart
This just means red states have lower state taxes.

>>136768526
not seeing what happend with one black president.

HI I'M NEW, WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE WORLDS MINORITY.. those who don't see that, are completely fucking retarded. we aren't talking algos.. we're talking you can't see actual fact. look at india africa and china.. now look at white people.

white people have 2 options. let the jews to continue to remove them from the population, or remove the jews from the population.

>>136771665

His political instincts are fine. He supports his people and does what he think is best for his people. That's fine; it's just that his people are not our people.

>>136768526
I'm Asian and I don't believe in gibs or govt overreach

>>136772575
>Shapiro is loyal only to his own tribe
who are you loyal to?

>>136772500
Again your premise is just stupid, there are more alternatives than national socialism vs civic nationalism.

>>136772210

He's completely correct. Don't try to divide and conquer, all of our countries are being infected with the same diseases, for the same reasons.

>>136772805
The people who this country was explicitly founded for: free white Europeans.

Uncuck yourself. Jews do not have your best interests in mind.

>>136772805
shapiro is a jew and backs it 100 percent.
if your white.. you should back being white 100 percent.

if israel can have so much control over our policy and demand a closed border state for only jews, why can't we demand a white only state?

>>136772536
I'm in full support for the wall and solving the anchor babie loophole.
Those babies should not be granted citizenship, that was not the intentions of the law. It was implied only legal citizens babies should be granted citizenship as a birth right.

>>136769465
shut up commie. You can't be free trade and support the neocon foreign policy. Ben Shapiro is a globalist jew.

Israel firsters dont care, they have a nationalist ethnostate after all. America is a buffet to them, taxpayer blood is on the menu.

>>136772940
>free white Europeans
>>136772966
what do we do about the white people who despise other white people? how can you be loyal to them when they would stab you in the back as soon as you turn around?

>>136772594
>If we have to ditch the constitution altogether and start from scratch, that's fine too
You are not American.

>>136772966
Well, jew is a religion, and white is a race, for starters.

Also, there's already a state for only gentiles, its called the vatican.

>>136772871
All you can do is complain and insult. You cannot actually make any supportive argument for what is the best or why. I'm done replying to such a childish baby.

>>136772064
It's called day of the rope ya dumb muhfucka, have you even lurked here or is this day zero?

The first step will be demoralizing diversity. Let the browns not feel welcome and give them the choice to leave. Of course that may not work, Google the conversos of spain. Former Islamic holdovers who were forced.to convert in order to stay but of course did not truly convert. Then the Spaniards initiated operation day of the muhfuckin rope.

>>136773130
I don't hate my fellow people over differences of opinion. Even the most rabid shitlib SJW can be shown the light, exactly as Communist party members in Germany joined the National Socialist Workers Party of their own volition. They were shown a better way to live, they were shown the evils of the ideology they had been led to accept.

Being for my fellow white people does not mean I am only sympathetic towards those who like my ideas. It means I put my ego aside for the good of my entire race, because we are facing a demographic death.

>>136772500

I'll respond over the course of a few posts. Here is the first one: after independence was won in 1789, the first terms for citizenship/naturalization were made in 1790. Only white people could become citizens:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

>>136772753
Dumbass. If California lowered their taxes and stopped handing out gibs to Trump supporters then the red states would all go bankrupt.

>>136772603
America becoming brown is exactly how white genocide looks.

>>136773162
According with your definition of American, you have to be an idiot to be American.

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>>136773288
>>136773357
>When reddit and shareblue meet here and they end up fighting eachother instead of us

>>136773169
>Well, jew is a religion,
Jews are a distinct ethnic group with a genetically distinct lineage. It is not a religion. Goyim cannot convert to Judaism and be considered peer to the Orthodox. If your mother is not ethnically Jewish you are not considered a Jew.

>>136768526
Because they are controlled opposition.
And they lie they don't care about the truth.

I'm brown and I don't want welfare. I just want a chance to make a decent living.

>>136772500

Number 2- here is where Coolidge ethnically cleansed Mexicans, many of them American citizens, from the country:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

>>136773288
Say that your premise is stupid is not an insult but a definition of what it is.

>>136773444
the only way to stop white genocide is getting rid of video games

>>136773543
Yeah, Trump supporters are the ones draining California.

>>136773649
Considering that people who formally convert to Judaism are allowed to move to Israel, I'd say that's not accurate.

>>136772306
Exactly right about power blinding us to reason. And now it must change. Survivability is decreasing and the retards have to be removed from the ballot. Or we could cast the dye and cross the Rubicon. The republic may have run it's course

>>136773464
>>136773722
Appreciate it lad.

>>136768526
Why is this post happening again!!!????

>>136768526
Civic patriotism exists because there are a good few people of color and they have fought and served with patriotic whites who, because of this, don't embrace an all out hate of all minorities. Something something the forest for the trees.

>>136773162

>You're not American

My relatives fought in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. They were here for hundreds of years before the lefrist radical Whigs rebelled against king, country, and tradition based in the ideal that everyone was equal. My Dutch ancestors were here long before the English even came.

I am American on a far deeper level than words on paper. A nation is a people- the people come first, the governing structures they create for themselves are meeely a system to benefit their people. When this structures become an enemy of the every people that created them, when they are actively engaged in attacking, marginalizing, and replacing those people, only a masochist would deny that they need to be revised.

>>136773937
Why would you even attempt to discuss this topic when you're so blatantly ignorant? The Halakha states that a Jew is someone who has a Jewish mother. This is how they maintain lineage. This isn't some secret, Orthodox Rabbis love talking about it.
If you convert to Judaism, if you fight for the IDF, live in Israel your whole life, you won't even be buried in the same cemetery because Orthodox Jews consider your goyim blood to be tainting the soil. There is a separate plot for IDF graves who aren't ethnic Jews.

>>136768526
Conservatism itself is a meme. Race is what matters, not this small government drivel. Recall that all the small government "libertarians" were Jewish.

>>136773937

Obviously Judaism is a religion, but it is a distinct collection of ethnic groups as well. They don't prostelatize and haven't for thousands of years, so the number of non-ethnic converts who join are relatively tiny (and never really viewed as "real" jews).

When you take something like this 23 And Me DNA test, it can tell someone with completely accuracy if they are an ashenazim. It can't even tell the difference between Irish and English, but it knows if someone is jewish.

>>136774255
If people come first why would you attack one of the few documents defending the rights of the people?
A revision is different than "tearing up the document and starting over".

Specifically, what needs to be revised? If you could amend or remove anything to the document what would you add or remove?

>>136768526
I don't even like the term "civic nationalism", because it isn't nationalism.

A nationalist loves the nation, and wants to preserve it. The chief component of a nation is the people. The land and culture are important too, but are meaningless without the people. If you took every Swede out of Sweden and replaced him with a Mexican, would Sweden still be Swedish? Nope, it would just be a cold Mexico. The same applies to America, we are not a special case. We are not built on magic dirt. And the founders didn't even believe that. They wanted this nation to be populated by "free white persons of good moral character" per the Naturalization Act of 1790.

Whereas a "civic nationalist" is more concerned about ideas and values. To them, America could become mestizo but as long as abortion was banned and people went to church, all would be good.

I understand why it is attractive to many Americans, because they think it is the only thing that can work. But let me ask you this: if it is the only thing that can work, why hasn't it worked already? Why can't we put aside race and all be Americans? It's because identity politics and ethnic competition are a byproduct of diversity.

Really, "nationalism" is impossible in modern America because we are an empire. To have nationalism, America will need to become more region-focused, or maybe balkanize in the future.

>>136772603
This. I have no problem with brown people as long as they adhere to nazism.

>>136768526
Civic Nationalism is the only viable choice for America. We're already too diverse for ethnonationalism, and we'd reduce the country to a third world shithole if we had a race war.

>>136774806
>I understand why it is attractive to many Americans, because they think it is the only thing that can work. But let me ask you this: if it is the only thing that can work, why hasn't it worked already?
(((I wonder?)))

>>136774712
Is there any evidence to suggest that all 10 lost tribes of Israel are all of Ashkenaz bloodline?

>>136774973
Jews only exploited a division that was already there. Tell me anon, do you really think whites and blacks were chummy prior to the mass immigration of Jews in the early 20th century? Nope, our Founders didn't even consider them as Americans.

Jews are a problem, they are not the only problem. Besides, wouldn't you as a civic nationalist accept Jews who agreed with your ideas as fellow Americans? Or is their ethnic group somehow overriding that tendency in you?

>>136774917
>We're already too diverse

That's because America is not a nation anymore, we are an empire. "Civic nationalism" is not viable anywhere because it isn't nationalism. It is trying to make globalism work in your favor, and that's just not going to happen.

All nations tend towards ethnostates, and that is why over the long term, America as it is today will not survive. Regionalism is the future of America, whether we like it or not.

>>136773543
It's the niggers in red States that use the federal money not the Trump supporters. The same niggers that remind the Trump supporters every day that Trump is a good man and we need more like him.

>>136768526

The left sure does gives a fuck and calls everyone on the Right crackers and whatever they think White people.

Might as well split the fucking nation right now and have half of it go to white people. The shit skins will always be anti white and anti white male in our nations. The left party is centered around it.

SO GET FUCKING REAL BEN!

>>136775081
>Jews only exploited a division that was already there. Tell me anon, do you really think whites and blacks were chummy prior to the mass immigration of Jews in the early 20th century? Nope, our Founders didn't even consider them as Americans.
Well, they could have been (mostly) repatriated after the Civil war, if not or good old John Wilkes Boot, who was probably a crypto-Jew.

>Jews are a problem, they are not the only problem. Besides, wouldn't you as a civic nationalist accept Jews who agreed with your ideas as fellow Americans? Or is their ethnic group somehow overriding that tendency in you?
No, they are the exception that ruins everything. No other group actively tries to ruin their host like they do. Does the US need to expel every single brown person? No, a combination of deportation of illegals and a responsible eugenics program, and immigration restrictions, can fix the problem. Does it need to expel every Jew? Absolutely, the useful idiots can leave too.

>>136773562
Right.. But there are white people in the rest of the world, for a while atleast.

>>136774917
>We're already too diverse for ethnonationalism
This is frankly nothing but defeatist horseshit. This "diversity" began only in 1965. It is recent. It can be reversed.
We can apply political pressure on illegals through law enforcement and financial policy to make them leave the country of their own volition. We could very easily effect such massive changes through simplistic policies that whites would immediately start trending back towards 70% of the country within a decade.

The black population in the US has passed the replacement rate, and will be shrinking year over year by a tiny amount. The number of blacks is also bolstered by a constant influx of new African immigrants, thousands and thousands per year. If we stopped giving greencards, visas, and granting citizenship to these Africans then the black population in the US would begin significantly declining year over year without taking any other action to address the matter.

America is not a lost cause, its not even close to one. In fact we are so extremely close to the threshold of gaining power back that the left is shitting their pants. All leftist media has doubled down on the propaganda because they realize this.


>>136774981
Do you not even know what Ashkenazi means?
Sounds like this is your very first day here.

>>136775337
So you aren't entirely a civic nationalist then, as you make an exception for Jews. But what about Stephen Miller? He is Jewish, and received a lot of praise on here for promoting the RAISE Act.

Wilkes Booth was of English descent by the way. Not everyone who did anything bad in American history was a Jew.

I do agree with you that the US is only going to deport illegals. But the "US" as an entity is doomed over the long term because we are an empire of many peoples and beliefs.

Regionalism/Balkanization is the future for the US, and this is the best scenario for us because if we break off into real nations instead of a massive commercialist empire, we will be able to have true nationalism.

>>136775325

The county I'm from is inherently Republican and I've heard snobby hippie fucks who live in ghettos because I guess it makes them feel better about being white. They said they wished the people robbing up and down the street would rob people from the county I live in. Literally lives around niggers. Gets robbed then says he wished niggers would rob people in my county instead. I can't make this shit up!

GA USA FOLKS AND THE MINDS OF NIGGERS AND LIBSHITS!

>>136774767

My ancestors were here for hundreds of years before a single word of the constitution was written; longer than the US has even existed. I don't really have that many problems with the original constitution; in many ways it was a mini-thermidor, a right-wing coup against the more leftist radicals who led the Revolution after it became clear they would be totally incapable of creating a functional country. If we could return to the original Constituion- where only white people could be Americans, where only white property, with only the original admendments in the Bill of Rights- I would be pretty content. I don't care about national socialism, I just want a racially homogenous high-trust society with a high average IQ and civic cohesion, as I believe this is the best path to safety, security, happiness, fulfillment, and harmonious living in accordance with nature.

My one fear with the constitution is that since democratic governance is a fundamentally leftist and egalitarian system, it might slowly drift left over time just like it did the first time.
Personally, I wouldn't mind trying elements of an elected monarchy without the division of power between different branches of governmenr. But that is just a political discussion; and the primary issues facing us right now are not political, they are biological. What it comes down to is, I don't want to see my children used as props for people playing out their historical revenge fantasies. I don't want to live in a country where raising a white son or white daughter is an act of passive child abuse. I don't want to import ethnic competition and tribal strife to the homeland of my descendants. There is not a single country of northwestern europeans on this planet right now that we can say with confidence will still be majority white in 100 years, and that is intolerable.

>>136775652

He was still part of their Masonic order so he was an Honorary Jew at the least.

Fuck Off Goldstein!

>>136775652
>But what about Stephen Miller? He is Jewish, and received a lot of praise on here for promoting the RAISE Act.

Useful, but must be forced out at a later date. The analogy here is a secular Muslim refugee who has children that become ISIS sympathizers. Besides, even with these sort of Jews, the US is still a colony of Israel. The government is still beholden to AIPAC and Jewish money in general. The military is still the other Israeli army.

>>136774981

What? Wouldn't they be guaranteed not to be?

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>>136768526
>why are parasitic evil jews anti white

When will this onslaught of normal fags end?

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>>136768526
HE IS A FUCKING KIKE
WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TRUST A KIKE DEMAGOGUE EVER!?!?!?!
he says things you retards want to hear, and then slips in zionist shilling so that you retards are like "lol israel is an ethnostate! fucken based!"

anyone who unironically listens to the heeb needs to be fucking SLAIN.

>>136775811
George Washington was a Mason. Was he Jewish as well?

>>136775955

Might as well be yes and he owned slaves yes so he bought in yes and he has a huge fucking nose!

LOL YES!

>>136774917

The only thing that is guaranteed to reduce this country to a 3rd world shithole is the multiculturalism you're proposing. It's already happening.

These are not theoretical. We've seen Rhodesia, We've seen South Africa. We are Brazil. A fight, even if the costs are better than high, is infinitely better than going that route.

>>136775785
Reminder: If the people were actually allowed to have their will observed on things like immigration, we would not be in the mess we are in, because representative democracy is shit. Most people opposed it in the first place. Don't want more migrants from Mexico? Well, too bad, the Jews feel otherwise and every congressman relies on their money to get elected.

>>136768526
That's the problem, conservative values like MUH LIMITED GOVERNMENT and MUH CHRISTIAN BELIEFS are outdated albatrosses around the necks of the right. They must be eliminated.

Interesting discussion to bad this is a fantasy unless the media and education system are 'taken back'.

Any great ideas on how to effect this smaller, yet essential, more concrete change?

>>136768526 (OP)

I would wager Low economic status minorities largely vote the way they do because One party is much better at promising gifts and goodies from Santa (who doesn't want those?) AND because they are inundated (see institutions above) with the idea that the other party hates them and wants them to starve; And decades and decades have ingrained this in their communities and it is as 'common knowledge' as the sky being blue.

This is a generational issue and it will take generations to undo if it can be.

I'm pretty sure deep down everyone wants to be independent and can understand that smaller government can mean more for them, even if they don't pay taxes. A more serious problem may that neither major political establishment actuall wants smaller govt. but one thing at a time.

>>136772500
>Prove it to me.
literally our first immigration law was "White Men of Good Character" in iirc 1795

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>>136770272
>What are farming subsidies
And for the south:
>What are Niggers

>>136775955

He like other Presidents also kept a gay ass Koran next to their beds too back in the day. I guess reading material was scarce. They have no real theology than power. To fake and take! To rape and stake! Hell how far back does the Washington name even go? Jews always change their original names too. He could have done it for purposes. Who fucking knows? Those guys did just about anything. Even started a revolution. Was he?

>>136776238

True, the middle ground is really the worst of both worlds. But I don't have much faith in direct democracy either, unless the franchise were severely limited to only property-owning white men (and even then is still makes me a little nervous).

>>136775785
>elected monarchy without the division of power between different branches of government
The balance of power is paramount to keeping the country free. Otherwise corrupt people can just stack the deck and hijack the whole country with enough resources in a relatively short amount of time.

Nobody defends America more than constitutional conservatives in my opinion. It seems like what you want back is the true American spirit, but for some reason you want to destroy the structure that makes it all possible.

Honestly, if the lefts white genocide, diversity yes, import the lowest common denominator narrative was halted, legal immigration would not even be a drop in the bucket to the white majority, and would allow those statistical outliers to live a life that suits them. The left pushing all their bullshit want to remove the constitution and balance of power because it is an obstacle that directly resists all their efforts.

>>136768526
>(((ben shapiro)))
color and ideology are inseparable

>>136775652
Fuck off. Balkanization? What type.of.bullshit is that? Based on what? The whole damn place will stay together and brought back to civilization.

>>136768526
Limited Government or gas chambers. White people and big government don't mix. Minorities should learn this quickly before it is too late.

>>136776906

Liberal Democracy has brought our country from 90% white to 56% white in 50 years. It has given us feminism, multiculturalism, and a level
if degeneracy previously
unimaginable in human civilization.

What do you really know about alternatives to democracy? I mean
how much time have you really spent thinking about them and researching them, instead of parroting the talking points that government employees read to school children? There is only one real monarchy left in Europe, and it is the best place in the entire continent, possibly the best place in the world. I certainly don't think we should go back to hereditary monarchy, but I think we should acknowledge that there is no equality among men- there is a Natural Aristocracy, there are people naturally more suited for leadership, and popularity contests and votes of
ignorant masses are not the best way to find them. Of all the successful corporations in the world, who have to be efficient and effective in a do letirbe private sector, how many are run like a liberal democracy, with decision making
power solit between different branches countering eachother? 99% of all the most successful corporations in the world have a king, they just call the king CEO.

But as I said, political matters are
not the primary tand it's not my political concern. I'd like to get away from
leftism altogether (and since the foundational principle of leftism is egalitarianism, there is no more lefrist ideal than "one man, one vote"), but just going back to the original Constitution at this point would be a huge improvement that I'd be happy to support. But we'd have to have measures to defend it more strongly this time, because what we tried the first time had led us here, to the global great replacement of white peoples.