>a foreign child can complete eviscerate your countries entire

we are a republic.

the federal government only exists to protect the states.

the federal gov has way overstepped its boundaries

>>136564207
>pic implies america is a democracy
kid better get his shit straight before he gets nagasaki'd.

>>136564207
Democracy is the worst system ever invented. If you can get enough stupid or brainwashed people you can convince them to do what ever you want.

>>136564207

they didn't complain about it when obama won and they wouldn't have mentioned it if hillary won

>>136564207
i can't hear you over the flesh eating insects surrounding your waters.

You can be a part of the politics discussion when your nation isn't surrounded by flesh eating insects.

>>136564207
The American system is literally perfect and has basically conquered the earth. The only downside is communistic culture has crept in and is doing damage.

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>Chinks talking shit about electoral processes

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praise the electoral college. it got /ourleader/ elected

>>136564207
At least we have bigger than 3 inches dicks and can drink milk. Take that manlet dog eating smelly subhuman chink.

>>136564207

Yeah no, wrong.

The electoral college was made for completely different reasons.

1.) the USA is a giantic land. The electoral collge was meant to represent a community that had (back then) no real means to communicate or aroganize

2.) The USA is a Republic, not a pure Democracy you stupid chink! Every state was supposed to have a word that counted for something. Not just the coastal regions and big cities.

>>136564207
We aren't a democracy you fucking kangaroo. We're a republic. If we were a democracy we wouldn't have senators and congressman, we'd just have everyone go vote on shit and do whatever the populace says.

Why don't you go try that out and get back to me on how it works.

>>136564207
Because i want California and new york to govern all 48 states. Now thats democratic right?

Retarded chink doesnt understand that the united states are what the name implies. We aren't JUST one big entity we are multiple entities making one thing. Each state has different laws and values.

>>136564360
>Democracy is the worst system ever invented. If you can get enough stupid or brainwashed people you can convince them to do what ever you want.
Democracy is the preferred system because it places the power in the hands of the people who control the mass media.

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>>136564207
>the rule of one person one vote

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>>136564207

>implying the United States is a democracy

Do Americans actually believe they choose their politicians?

Kill yourself effeminate asian pizza bait
Democracy is cancer and should be eradicated in favor of total private property rights

>>136564207
>Implying that the founders were concerned about their property voting
>Implying that democracy is the ultimate political virtue
>Implying that this gook even knows what he's talking about

I swear to God people don't think this through. Voting was limited to property owning white men why would they be worried about the farm equipment voting

>>136564207
It was made when we had 13 colonies before the Atlantic slave trade and plantation system took off. This is nonsense. The whole point was so that underpopulated states would still have a voice.

>>136564207
democracy is just another one of (((their))) tricks t b h

>>136564207
dumb gook doesn't know the slave owners were in favor of democracy and the abolitionists supported the electoral college.

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pretty fucking easy to point out the problem but when it comes to having a solid solution everyone can agree on is fucking impossible

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>only 40% of americans know the three branches of government
>30% of americans don't know when 9/11 was
>29% of americans could not identify Joe Biden
>1 in 7 couldn't point out Iraq on a map

The problem ain't the electoral college.

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>>136564207
>mfw not allowing the brainwashed masses to select the next commander in chief based on their feelings is undemocratic

>The Electoral college violates rule of "one person, one vote"
>And that is extremely undemocratic

I'm not sure that's even a 'rule', but either way it doesn't violate it. Direct democracy and popular vote are not the only forms democracy, you slant eyed cunt.

>>136564447
top kek

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>>136564207
we are a democracy though
we're a republic why does no one seem to grasp this?

>>136564383
Crustaceans mate

>DAT undemocratic yank education

>>136564207

Yes, california will not decide the fate of all states.

Sorry Chang.

>>136564207
We're not a democracy.

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>>136564766
>>136564207
Is that the asian version of Jaden Smith?

>>136564207
>electoral college
>made to benefit slave-owners
stopped reading
kid has no idea what he's talking about

>>136564207
>communist chinks talking about "muh democracy"

Fuck off dog eater

>>136564735
the solution is dissolution.

>>136564207
We have the same people saying this nonsense in Europe. But if we followed the popular vote, Wilders would have been in government three cabinets ago.

Funny how they only care about democracy when it benefits them, huh?

>>136564360
Democracy needs a check. We need to make it mandatory that any proposed law or policy is supported by scientific evidence. The West is being destroyed by idiots running on wishful thinking platforms.

>>136564511
It also vastly reduces the potential for both vote fraud and political corruption. The founding fathers talked about this at great length in their letters of correspondance.

ITT :: Uneducated retards who think repeating 'We're not a democracy we're a republic LOL' will somehow make it true'
Is that burger education at work ? A republic IS a democracy you massive faggots

democracy is for fags, try again little shitskin

>>136564647
Haha no shit they do. Where were you in 2016?
Everyone anal-blasted that shittary won the popular vote. Some shitty news site wrote and article praising the electoral college in like 2014, then the same writer wrote another article in 2016 stating the college was some engine of the patriarchy or some bullshit like that. The American people have no idea how their government works and they couldn't possibly conceive of the atrocities and shady dealings we do on the daily. It would implode their cerebral cortexes. If only they could see the 4 extra levels above government and stop thinking Mr./Mrs. President is the king of the world.

>>136564207
A country that is the most powerful country in the world and third largest population.

>just dissolve and try again.

It worked out so well for the Arab Spring. What could possibly go wrong, Australian shit poster?

>>136564207
>he doesn't know the United States is actually a republic.

Kill all democrats and their cronies whom perpetrate their newspeak I say. Their intellectual dishonesty is painful to watch.

>>136564958

And contrary to the first point I mentioned that is as hot button an issue today as it was back then. Thanks for letting me know.

>>136564939
yeah you go first my dude ill back you up later

>>136564991
You're politically retarded, faggot.
We're a republic with representatives that vote for us.
Quit posting. You need to shut the fuck up and lurk since you're too fucking stupid to say anything that could ever be mistaken as valuable information.

>>136564372
If Hillary won with the electoral college vote it would be the best thing invented since the dilation dildo and the system that saved America.

>>136564207
> idiot screenwriter doesnt understand the nature of a representative republic
> places the shitty script in the hands oif a child actor who likewise doesnt understand the nature of a republic
> lefties, who are also ignorant of the republic and it's forms shout "even a child..."
> lefties believe TV is real life

first, the gook child is an ACTOR, and will say whatever is in the script.

second, the writer of that script is a dimwit.

the USA is a union of sovereign states. each state has it's own representatives for the same reason rich people dont get more votes than poor people.

youre even dumber than the screenwriter and the child actor, since they at least got paid for that shitty assessment of our system, you did it for free.

>>136564207
The electoral college makes election fraud much more difficult. You can stuff the ballots in Chicago, but it won't change the outcome of the election.

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>Abolish the electoral college
>Vote in an open borders democrat
>Create more sanctuary cities
>Import more immigrants to live in those cities who will always vote left because free gibs
>Cement the supremacy of the left on the US until the eventual communist revolution as politicians compete to signal their kind giving virtue
There, I've explained why it's a horrible fucking idea.
A popular vote will only ever work in a homogeneous nation without an exploitable welfare state, and ONLY if that population has a willingness to contribute to the well being of their people and society at large, as well as a sense of extreme national pride.
We could call it Social Nationalism or something catchy like that.

>>136564207
Retards still dont understand America isn't a direct democracy

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>>136564207

>Chink
>Criticizing American politics

It never fucking ends.

TFW you realize all this horse shit Is about racial resentment and bitterness toward the west. Be it jews, chinks, niggers, spics, etc...

They all desperately crawled into our countries and have a mouthful of ungrateful deflective criticism for us.

Thanks. Your fucking welcome faggots.

One person does get their one vote to decide, at least in some states, who their electoral votes go to.

>>136565123
I don't which retard pundit fed you bullshit about your own stupid country, but it obviously it worked marvels since thinking critically definitely didn't work out
You don't get to magically select which definition applies to concepts, the US is both a republic and a democracy, that's not even up to debate, because debating about things that are true and acknowledged isn't something intelligent people do
I guess I'll give you a hint, since you won't ever find it on your own
There are several types of democracies, and a representative democracy, is, guess what.. a democracy as well.. ain't that quacking crazy
Now go suck a dick, or whatever double-digit IQ people do for a hobby

Letting any tom dick and harry vote without enforcing any voter ID laws is also pretty undemocratic.

Having electronic voting machines with obscured closed source software is pretty undemocratic.

Having any sort of government where you vote for your representative instead of voting for each and every policy you actually support is pretty undemocratic. "One person one vote" right?

But what do I no about that? I live in a republic. Whatever that means.

>>136564207
>letting new york and california decide every election is a good idea because slavery

powerful,and really made me think

>>136564207
The electoral college is the reason the United States hasn't completely balkanized.

If only the states had all gained explicit autonomy. They should be respected as individual countries. There is no need for a federal government. States will naturally ally, and any aggressors will be vastly outnumbered. Funnily enough, what was supposed to protect the states has since become the most blatant violator of states' rights. It has indebted states to one another, enslaved them to federal policy and used them to meet its own political desires. It's just another EU that needs to be abolished.

>>136564207
Ya fuck the constitution. Let's be fully progressive and democratic. Hate speech laws and a society of gun free evil white men here we come.

>>136564590
>people who control the mass media
((people))

>>136564207
Good thing we live in a republic and not a democratic society eh little chink bitch? Get fucked by your hollywood handlers faggot.

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>>136564207
Ah yes, we should totally let new York and commiefornia dictate every election. Stupid fucking abbo

>>136564207
Representative democracy is more fair and valid than popular democracy

Sorry chinkling you're wrong

>>136564207
Wow! Brave <3
#ImpeachDrump

>>136564207
>popular vote becomes the method of winning elections
>democrats promise people free shit
>democrats flood country with foreigners to vote for them
>democrats obtain perpetual power
I mean, they're already doing these things, but they don't work as effectively as they would if popular vote actually mattered.

>>136564207
The electoral college exists so a candidate can't ignore people in rural areas. Otherwise they could cater to a few big cities and win the presidency.

>>136564447
/thread

>>136566481
Except they do ignore rural areas under the electoral college, ya dummy

>>136564207
Really makes you think

>>136564569
>inb4 Jefferson and New Amsterdam

>>136564207
Yeah... We're a republic, not a democracy... what the fuck's your point? The reason it's done is to the cities can't dictate the law of the country, so that a politician can't just ignore 90% of the land mass they govern, just because LA and NYC and maybe 1 more city makes up half the population... If pop vote had all, a politician could for example say "If you vote for me, All federal funds will go to the inner cities" and win... But why am I replying to an Aussi, You. Are. Not. Relevant. Dumb outback Aborigine piss drinking kangaroo fuckers...

>>136564207
>taking a dumb gook child's opinion to heart on anything

go eat a dog chink. democracy is a fucking stupid concept anyway.

>>136564590
>unironically believing this

>>136564207
Sorry I don't take political advice from children, women or foreigners.

>>136564207
Says a fucking chinese.
You know they have a communist dictatorship right?
you fucking moron lmao

>>136564207
slaves didnt get to vote u dumb chink

>>136566989
>LA and NYC and maybe 1 more city makes up half the population

>5 million plus 8 million plus one more city equals half of 330 million

>>136564207

It's a straw man argument.

>>136564207

No it was made so that 15 million libshits and 10 million illegal Mexishits in Cali don't control the rest of the Nation of a popular vote.

>>136564207

Is this a Chinese Hate Thread now?

>undemocratic
I heard America wasn't a democracy hmmmmmm

>>136564207
Yeah no mate, we aren't a democracy we are a republic

>>136564207
The United States of America is not a country but a union.
it is the UNITED states...... so like any union the members wanted assurance that the bigger member states would not steamroll them and viola you get systems like the electoral college.
Its the same in Europe when it comes to the EU (ill grant that the EU is a much more fragile and weak union). In the EU a single danish vote counts as 5 German votes. Undemocratic right? But necessary to keep smaller members in the union.

>>136564360
Guess where factories of "stupid people" (they are just ignorant and distracted by design, forgive them) are located and their population density.

The bullshit narrative that they are pushing on repeat >>136564207 with it's historicism over slavery as some founding mythos is not relevant to the present political purposes of the electoral college. No one is using it as a way to maintain slavery. That economic powerhouse and imperative now belongs in cities and might be embodied by silicon valley and their "tech slaves".
See, I can be intelligent too.
Smug asian child face.

>>136567218
Bit of a hyperbole there, I don't literally think they are 50% of the pop, and I didn't look up numbers before hand, thought it'd be closer to 10% if pop. My point still stands 2 cities shouldn't account for 4 percent of the entire country's voting block even worse still only 132 mil voted...

>>136564207
>Millions of illegal immigrants who dont even are allowed to vote, got pushed to vote
>hurr durr electronical college xdsxd

>>136567622
4% of the population should account for 4% of the vote, otherwise some people somehow are going to be overrepresented. The only fair way is one man one vote.

>>136564991
>A republic IS a democracy
>China

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>>136564207
Why are asian americans so subverted and liberal? Or is it a (((meme)))

>>136564207
>why doesn't america just dissolve and try again?
i-it-it wasn't real americanism anon

>>136564207
>>136564207
This foreign child doesn´t even understand what the ministry of propaganda made him say. OP is a faggot, as always.

>>136564760
where do you get these stats, sheep shagger?

>>136567719
asians are beter educated than retard whites

>>136564207
because democracy gives vote to dumb people

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>>136564280

The electoral college was created because there was concern at the time that the government would be usurped by loyalists and they needed a way to ensure that no one would take power and return the territory to the crown. At least that was one of the reasons.

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>>136567719
Depends on the chink. Working class aren't so bad, but anyone represented in Hollywood is going to be a lefty. Here's the breakdown still.

>>136568107
but they vote blue because they are more compassionate

>>136564207
Its almost like the american governments wants to prevent the big cities from having too much political power.

>>136568055
>states rights filename

are people gonna stop living in cities all of a sudden when states get whatever rights this graph that shows conservatives live in low density areas?

>>136564280
Absolutely best post

>>136568333
People living in cities also produce more carbon dioxide, contributing to global warming, checkmate leftist.

>>136564207
There was never a "rule" of "one person, one vote"

>>136564590
>Democracy is the preferred system because it places the power in the hands of the people who control the mass media

This, democracy is pushed, as it gives the media all the power in the country.

>>136568182
But is the picture reliable? Or is it reliable as the Clinton 99% poll?

>>136568735
My understanding is that it's just the post election results, not pre-vote polling data.
That said it won't account for unregistered or fraudulently registered votes.
At the very least it proves that women and minorities are a meme and suffrage for either was a horrible mistake.

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>>136564447

>pledge allegience to the flag
>and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands

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>>136564207
>woke 8 year old

If you trusted your own arguments you wouldn't be using a child to spout them

>>136564207

> America is a democracy

His teachers lied to him. Thats all I know for sure.

>>136564207
>rule of "one person, one vote"
Huh?
>>136564280
>we are a republic.
This.

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>>136564447

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>>136566481
This.
>>136566827
Go back and look at how Trump won, again.

>>136564991
it's not a direct democracy which is what op's pic argues.

>>136564207
the 1 child policy was not low enough

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In a direct democracy only the people in blue, plus a few other counties would ever be of interest to politicians

>>136569775
>Go back and look at how Trump won, again.
Small margins which happened to be in the right places.

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>>136564207
So why weren't they complaining when it won Obama the election?

>>136570052
Fuck, you people are dense. There is no good reason why politicians would want to ignore 50% of the potential voters.

If a farmer who grows food we need to survive has a vote that counts for 3 starbucks coffee servers I see no issue.

>>136564360
DEMOCRACY IS SATANISM. It sews discord among the people where there should be unity. It gives power to the information manufacturers. It destroys nations, and should be only used in small communities (less than 50k people, ideally around 2k) and it should be direct (but even here it is not the preferred option). But it should never be used in a non-local environment. The natural warrior elite should rule with one man owning the whole land, giving out that land to people to live on and rule them rightly.

>>136570143
eletoral landslide asshat. keep shilling

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Just looking at this Verizon coverage map you can clearly see how Trump won the election.

>>136564280
>we are a republic.
A anon can completely btfo OP's shitposting thread in just one sentence.

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>>136570202
jesus christ. I forgot how bad Romney got BTFO. the mad man managed to lose fucking Iowa and every single swing state. He never recovered.

>>136570308
Have a you m8

>>136570223

>There is no good reason why politicians would want to ignore 50% of the potential voters.

The democrats want it because they can go full socialism and ignore the white population. For them, that's a pretty good reason.

>>136564766
cantbeundemocraticifyouonlyhaveoneparty.jpg

>>136570840
But then they can't have a majority, ya dickhead
Implying their not corporate sellouts anyway

>>136564207
Democracy is a shit tier system

>>136569775
This
>>136570202
Also
>So why weren't they complaining when it won Obama the election?
This this this
The real problem is gerrymandered districts

God, that smug face and buttoned up shrt makes me rage, where is the video?

>>136565011
We do a lot of dark shit. President is just a figurehead,

>>136570461
Probably because he was bland as fuck running against a black sitting president.
I remember going to bed that night without an ounce of surprise.
Even into 2012 people loved to virtue signal for king nigger despite the fact that if he was white he might've gone down as one of the least productive presidents of all time.

>>136570202
>So why weren't they complaining when it won Obama the election?
Obama won the popular vote anyway.

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>>136568567

corollary: the one who figures out how to game that media with sensationalistic tweets and maximize free media time will win

>>136564280
fpbp

democracy belongs in the trash

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>>136564207
Democracy is like communism, it only ever works in theory.

The main difference though is that people accept that democracy isn't perfect.

>>136564207
It wasn't about slave owners. It was about keeping the little states happy. Rhode Island didn't want to be bound to w/e Virginia decided. Also, fuck that little chink and his subversive kike writers.

>>136564207
Presidential elections are determined by who wins the popular vote in each of the fifty states so in essense there are fifty elections.

The Electoral College works perfectly fine and people are free to change state election laws to award Electoral votes proportionally the way Maine and Nebraska currently do. Ironically, if that were to happen, Democrats would have more to lose since they are heavily dependent on high population blue states anchored by major cities to win. Start awarding Electoral votes proportionally and a lot of disenfranchised voters can finally have their voices heard in Presidential elections.

>>136564207

The last time i listened to a gook my brand new "iphone 7" killed my wife's son in a massive explosion.

>>136570247
>>136570419
This and this.

>>136570247

once one Wyoming vote equals 4 or more California votes, why should California not secede? It is taxation without representation all over again.

If that trend keeps getting skewed more and more something will have to give, either California should split into 5 states or secede altogether.

>>136570899

This country is about 60% white and a large percentage of whites will vote for the democrats regardless. Also the Democrat voter doesn't care that their party is owned and operated by globalist multinational corporations.

>>136564207

Says a country that denies people the right not to vote. Your government sneakily demands a mandate from its citizens, refusing to recognize that a refusal to vote is a powerful statement in and of itself. If youre forced to participate, is it really democratic?

>>136571594
A lot of Hispanics are white

Democracy was a mistake. It's only use is to allow the plebeians a sense of self mastery and importance, and when the votes masses are elevated beyond that of those patricians who are primarily responsible for the well-being of the state, governance devolves into mere mob rule. However, the neither can the patricians nor the monarch be trusted with all power, as their machinations can be just as destructive as those of the rabble. Therefore, a balance of powers monarchic, oligarchic and democratic is the noblest and most tenacious form of governance.
Take the Spartan pill.

>>136571485
>implying any blue areas in california actually produce things.

Everywhere where things are made and produced are always red. Everywhere that consumes and does nothing but service jobs are blue.

>>136564207
>waaah electoral college waah

Cute. You'd think they'd get over the fact they lost at some point.

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>>136571712

No.

>>136572024
TOP KEK, how is this a thing?

>>136567257
>10 million illegal Mexishits in Cali don't control
Explain? If they're illegal how can they control anything? Illegals can vote, or what?

>>136567709
'People's republic'
>>136569923
Half the post in this thread are all going 'Not a democracy', which is blatantly false, so now you're just shifting the rethoric ?

>>136564207
>stupid kid has no idea America is a union of independent states
>thinks he can regurgitate the crap he was fed in school and get away with it
Dumb-ass little zip.

>>136572024
Not that one, that's not white
>>136572217
The police mark them as white, even if they're clearly black, to get around rules on racial profiling

>>136572226
Commiefornia lets them do whatever they want. Thats why they are in perpetual debt.

>>136572324
>thinks Idaho is an independent state
America was a mistake 2bkh

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you fags falling for the eternal bogan. every single time

>>136572024
As you can see, he's being arrested. Clearly he's not White.

>>136572384
Idaho is an independent state. We only have a few commonwealths in the Union.
Get an education.

>>136571347
>>136571347
>>136571347
this
This
This
For example the deomcarts would get less votes from California Orange County and the non coasts would go red,

>>136572504
>Idaho is in the United Nations
Okay kid, whatever

>>136572226
The idea some far right dudes get is that everybody in California are illegals, and that millions vote illegally when in reality if you look at the FBI reports its only a couple hundred that vote illegally on average per election and thats only because there data gets mixed up in the sense that all you really need is a passport to be able to vote. Many people who come here don't risk it though. The real blame goes to certain states and there individual voter laws, there is no singular law. The sates actually most easy to vote illegally in are Pennsylvania and Maryland to name a few

>>136572646
Learn what a state is, in the context of the UNITED STATES.
Our laws are different, and the only single set of laws that are uniform to us all is the Constitution, and even that goes to court routinely.
The less populous states refuse to turn over their self-determination to a handful of more populous states, thus we are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, not a pure democracy.

I come from one of the more populous commonwealths, and I wouldn't have it any other way. This is the only method that allows each state to have a meaningful voice in the country's governance.

Your little zipperhead knows nothing about us.

>>136573006
>He thinks federalism is something unique
That's cute mate. Yeah, the Brazilian state of Acre is an independent country. The city state of Bremen in Germany is an independent country. Prince Edward Island? One of Canada's independent countries! Tasmania in Australia, independent country.

>>136570461
Who knew that running on a platform of bombing other countries and antagonizing nuclear superpowers would be unsuccessful?

>>136572703
>>136572226
It's walking with a blindfold to pretend illegals don't vote or get welfare on the regular.
>>136572217
When California and the southwest became a state only white people could vote (basically) so part of the war treaty was calling anyone already living there white to give them rights, and it just sort of evolved from there into through beorcrcarcty

>>136573167
Dickweed, we're not Brazil, we're not Germany, and we're not a Democracy.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

>>136573359
You're also not fifty independent states.

>>136564207
so you couldn't win following the RULES of the game, so you want to make up new rules which may be in your favor.
SO PROGRESSIVE SO LIBERATING.
kys.

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>>136572217
Are you new?
Just look at all these "white" criminals

>>136564360
>If you can get enough stupid or brainwashed people you can convince them to do what ever you want.
Hmm...exactly like california.

>>136564207
That's great kid, but how is this speeding up my order of Egg Foo Yung?

>>136564207
That's some horrible logic, pretty much in line with WE WUZ KANGS

>>136564207
United States
A union of STATES
>states
States are the basic unit of the Republic

>>136564954
>if we followed the popular vote, Wilders would have been in government three cabinets ago.
Tell me more about this.

>>136567622
That is nonsense. Many countries are dominated by 1 single city. Iceland, norway, finland, lativia, ukraine, estonia, denmark.
The US is unique in that 1 city does not. Instead the US has 8 major megacity regions each of which could rival a euro state.

The electoral college exist because the alternative as seen in other countries is autonmous regions. It is more important to bend towards rural areas as they are much harder to subdue.

>>136573411
Think not?
Try taking your AK-47 from Pennsylvania to New Jersey & see how fast you'll be arrested for owning a gun in Jersey that was perfectly legal to own in PA.
No, we're not all one monolithic country, and each state has its own government.

>>136564280
Fpbp

>>136572703
Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong-dr. Cox
Im on a phone or I'd post the details of studies from george mason uni and old dominion. They were depth hispanic surveys a lot done in spanish. Self reported illegal voting in these surveys was 6.4% of non-citizens in 2008.
>self reported

>>136564207
he's right it is undemocratic
good thing we aren't a pure democracy

>>136574313
>comparing the United States of America to countries which are so small and unimportant that they are controlled from """cities""" with less than a million people

lmfao

>>136564207
>gook posting gook
Sage.

>>136573500
how does this affect the 48%?

>>136564207
>undemocractic
>actually a republic

>>136564280

this. How the fuck do you even live in America and not even know the whole fucking states rights situation?

>>136573500
A couple of those dude just look tan desu

>>136564207
>it was made to benefit slave-owners by distributing votes
Yeah, that is exactly why the electoral collage is used. Nothing to do with states and state rights.

>>136564207
>We wuz Democracy
>Electoral college benefits slave owners
>What is the 3/5ths compromise
>Some slack jawed slant eyed mouthpiece for the Jews spewing bullshit on national tv

When the electoral college was devised there was hardly any slaves in the US.
Fuck there was hardly any slaves in the US at all in the entire 300 year period.

We have 50 times more illegals in this country than we ever had slaves, lmao.

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We arent a democracy you dumb fucking chink

>>136564207
We're a republic you squinty dink.

>>136564207
>Chinese

He is j-just trying to destabilize us goy- I mean fellow WHITE male.

>>136575103
>3 million at constitution signing.
>some of named countries at similar pop at same period
>some of named countries transitioned to modern government with far larger than 3 mill.

>>136564280
>>136569641
>>136570419
>>136571483
why do americans think Republic and Democracy are mutually exclusive?

Republic simply means your government isn't ruled by a monarch. that's it. it has nothing to do with how democratic the government is and on average, Republics are more democratic than Monarchies.


The correct comeback is "The USA is a federation of states, not people"
You're a democratic FEDERAL republic, federal being the important part when it comes to popular vote arguments

>>136564207
>1 post by this id
>193 replies
>only 30 people
shills

>>136564207
If this little shit doesn't like the American system, why doesn't he go back to China?

>>136564207

Except the electoral college was around before the civil war.

That would be the 3/5ths rule you dirty chink.

Fucking conflating the electoral college and the 3/5ths rule. Stupid ass writers need to stop sleeping in class.

Wew lad.

>>136576105
It's a federation of republics. Stop being autistic.
God I fucking hate the Dutch.

>>136576105
It's just the shorthand way of saying they don't have proportional representation like in a Westminster type system.

It's set up so we don't have a single state full of illegal noncitizens deciding important things ie Cuckifornia.

>>136576524
fuck off and learn about politics before discussing it, faggot

>>136564360
>Democracy is the worst system ever invented

no that's communism

>>136576105
nobody is saying they're mutually exclusive you fucking idiot

>>136572323
>blatantly false
but it's not though, otherwise this chinklet in op wouldn't have said what he did

>>136576843
it's directly implied in the answer

"Why aren't you X?"
"Because we're Y"
Implying that X and Y are mutually exclusive

>>136564991
>A republic IS a democracy you massive faggots

nazi germany sure was democratic

>>136564766
I am beginning to hate Asians. Why are they all so leftist?

>>136576712
you know, in the end democracy might prove to be worse. in how it collapses i mean. it might be more destructive. yeah, it might have more longevity than communism and a better standard of living for the people under it. but it also might end up in the total destruction of the west. gommunism was bad, but it only leads to poverty and a temporary chaos. what the collapse of democracy does might be final.

this is just worst case speculation of course

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>>136564207
>electoral college
>undemocratic
>the liberal mob in California or the North East should dictate the direction of the country.

Your shit posting is shameful.

>>136577136
So was the Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS amirite

>>136576712

Comrade, democracy is a softer form of communism. In democracy, the people vote directly. In communism, the people rule directly. Is perfect system, you see? When the common people keep voting for moe and more political power for themselves, it will inevitably lead to communism.

>>136564207

So the chinese kid had a problem with obama beating hillary?

>>136564991
A republic is anything but a monarchy.

>>136564207
How can you be such fucking racist piece of shit? Dissolve the government? People would die. Women and minorities would die without the government. And for what? Congress can't agree on anything that isn't murdering foreigners or the poor. What sort of government do you think Russia and China are going to let happen here? Racist!

>>136564207
Dammit Eddie. You dun goofed. You know who the powers that be have next on the list to niggerify? The Asians. And you are playing right into it, you Chinese Sean Puffy Combs, sell out, viceland retard!

But without the electoral college and one vote counting for one person, you'd have more survivalist types and anti-big government folks and shit voting, which would've increased Trump's results.

All the Hill-shills that were going to vote did, there wasn't a subset that refused to. There's a lot of right wingers and conservatives who don't vote because of the electoral college.

>>136564207
>The electoral college benifited slave holders
>Implying it didn't benefit the North who would be side swiped by the south as they would dominate the entire congress and White House.
Do these retards not realize the electoral college gave us Lincoln.

>>136564207
>1 post by this ID
>F-tier bait
>210 replies
/pol/... sometimes I despair of you, when will you learn to deal with invasions?

>>136577956
people itt are talking about politics. how is that a problem if the OP is bait? personally i'd even forgotten what the op was until you pointed it out. i assume most people ignored the OP

>>136577956
You do realize that while yes we fall for obvious bait but, it gives us more skills and references so when a faggot irl says the same thing we can easily spit their shit out like it was nothing.

>>136578061
it's a problem because y'all get side-tracked so easily. If you had an idea of the damage we inflict with a little bit of focus you would hunt the bait and shill threads like I do. There are people out there who want you distracted on mundane stuff to avoid paying attention to the real dangerous topics (for them) that pass through the board every now and then.
>>136578202
it does, but in this instance as in many others the arguments have been laid out over and over and whoever wants them can easily find them on various archives even if there's no page 1 thread on it currently.
Getting geared up in rhetorics is good but bait threads are here to deviate your focus on purpose.

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>>136577863
>Guys if we made rights for politicians instead of citizens then we would have won the fight for state's rights
>right?

>>136564424
>The Amercian system is perfect
>The American system is prone to failure
Something's fucky

>>136564207
remember when the chinks tried democracy and their very first president declared himself emperor after only 5 months?

their is a reason the japs are the top nation in asia

>>136564958
>It vastly reduces fraud
>incentivises gerrymandering
>incentivises false left-right paradigm

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>>136564207
>pic related

We support our political traditions when it suits our needs ...

>>136564207
>undemocratic
that's a good thing

>>136564207
The popular vote system allows 5 cities in 5 states to control the outcome of the other 45 states.

This means that 5 cities will decide policy for areas they have zero experience or stake in.

It would result in LITERAL taxation without representation. That was the entire reason we fought the revolutionary war.

Why would a federation need complete democracy?

It's too big and diverse.

Democracy is only possible in uniform, small units. It's tied to information sharing speed and transport, unfortunately. I mean, I've genuinely never understood when people call for democracy of big federations. How would you ever figure a representative of Missisipi could legislate together with a representative of Vermont or whatever?

Ditto for the EU, how could my representative of Bulgaria legislate with the Danish representatives? Hell, we're closer to them than we are to the Dutch, even if we do a shitload of business with them. How could a representative of East Germany legislate together with one of Bavaria?

They don't represent the same people and that means you'd need everyone to have absolutely equal power, which would mean zero would ever happen since everyone would veto everything.

>>136564207
>Asian who isn't glorious Kim talking about democracy
Fake news

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>>136564280

>when 99% of the time, the fp is the bp

really activates my noggin

>>136564360
hence Trump voters

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>>136577495
Have you ever driven above the speed limit?

Had a yard sale without charging sales tax?

Crossed a double yellow line?

Jaywalked?

Ever make a descision which you believe is right, but superceedes the government's power? That's an act of anarchy, and directly contributes to the dissolution of the government, because the most effective way to weaken a system is to not participate. In this example a system of law. On the otherhand, participation is perpetuation, so if you really want to uphold the US gov't, then start leaving earlier for work. You are a participant in the economy right?

>>136579492
>Democracy
Don't need it in Federations.

Unless you want to go the way of the Delian league, the Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Roman Republic or even the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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>>136579470
>GUYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT FORCES HIGHLY POPULATED AREAS TO INTERFERE WITH RURAL AREAS
>GUYS WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BY GIVING POLITICIANS SPECIAL VOTING RIGHTS AND POWERS
It's retarded in the first place, why put a band aid on a cripple?

>>136580177
All federations really need to do is have an airtight framework that prevents them from interfering with local democracy.

>>136564207
trying using an argument that doesn't involve calling people racist you stupid outback nigger

I've seen a lot of wrong in my time, but that takes the cake for condensed wrong.

>idiots still think the US is a demcoracy

>>136579617
>hence (insert meme) voters
Hahah ya he funny orange man amirightguys??????

You mean
>Hence voters
Right?

Because you seem to be shoving conservative/liberal politics into statist/anarchist politics.

>>136576105
My understanding of Republic was that it meant "we elect representatives to make decisions of state on our behalf". Google offers the following definition:
>a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

>>136580237
Because if you accept OPs image of the principle of one person one vote then the ability of five states to overrule the votes and wishes of the people of the other 45 is inherently undemocratic. No matter what those 45 other states vote those five states will always carry the vote.

>>136564360
Democracy's primary advantage is how it enables the people to reject tyrants. You HAVE to serve 50%+ of the people or you won't be elected. inb4 muh she won

>>136564207
Even as an Europoor I understand that it is the UNITED States. 50 separate democracies that unite to elect a federal leader.

The only argument that would hold is to argue that states should have voting power relative to the tax money they generate for the federation minus the tax money they collect. But hell-holes like California and Washington would not be happy with that, it would essentially eliminate the Democrat party that bases their voting base on spending money to bribe.

>>136580546
>republic
>elected
You don't need to be elected. The most common way for a Republic to compose itself is to have elected officials (helps with the whole legitimacy thing).

That and if you think of all the elected monarchies throughout history and you realise elections are not the sole defining characteristic of a Republic. It is the absence of a Monarch.

>>136577333
They're entirely unrelated, Communism pertains to conservatism/liberalism and has nothing to do with statism/anarchism. Hence the tems Anarcho-Communism and Authoritarian Communism.

>>136577286
>fixes it by creating yet another system based on population, just watered down
Pissening

>>136564207
All of that is wrong.

>>136564954
>We need to make it mandatory that any proposed law or policy is supported by scientific evidence.

Until of course, science becomes (((science))) and all critical thought is replaced with pseudo-religious doctrines and is dictated by a set of morals rather than facts

>>136580770

California brings in the most money, why would they be against that?

>>136564207
who cares what some little nigger faggot has to say

>>136564280
holy crap there are still Americans who understand this

>>136581383
Because they also use the most money. They have more voting power booming their population than focusing on effective output per member of population.

>>136564360
Democracy was never intended as the "law of the land". It worked well for the Aegean city-states because they didn't have to deal with dissenting opinions from voters half a continent away. Democracy was only ever meant for small populations to rule effectively amongst themselves, not for an nation of millions upon millions.

>>136581041
>watered down
Nope since the concept is revolves around protecting the interests of States as a whole and individual States against the power of the Federal Government and the excesses of the people of the Federal Republic.

>>136564207
Dumb kid doesn't realize that the slaveowners went to war with the federal government and lost, and the federal government did them no favors afterwards.

This: >>136564280

>>136581628
>it worked well
Yeh I dont know about that considering they don't exist anymore.

>>136564280
>we are a republic.
This, FPBP.
Fucking greekaboos, America is a Romaboo nation

>>136564280
>this KILLS the shareblue

>>136564207
friendly reminder that abolishing the electoral college would literally lead to civil war, and one side has 95% of the guns, land, and food

>>136564207
SLAVES COULDN'T EVEN VOTE IN 1787 WHEN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WAS FORMED

And the 3/5 compromise was for the number of reps in the House, slaves still didn't get to vote

>>136581973
Austria and Germany are also republics. The electoral college system has nothing to do with being a republic.

>>136582543
UNITED STATES
UNITED
STATES
STATES
WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. YOU VOTE FOR YOUR STATE, AND THEN THE STATE VOTES FEDERALLY.
THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS BECAUSE HOW FUCKED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME AND THE AVERAGE PLEB FORGETS HOW AMERICA ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS

It's a representative democracy like the UK, not two-party-PR

The kid is wrong though, it was mean benefit landowners. 99% of people couldn't even vote when it was made.

>>136564280
fpbp, we are not, and have never been a direct democracy because we understand that it doesn't work on a large scale

also
YALL NEED TO STOP WITH "WE'RE A REPUBLIC"

A republic is a form of democracy.
>>136582523 is a much better response/counter to this disingenuous shit

>>136582670
And you don't understand that the election process of the president has nothing to do with whether it's a republic or not. A republic is a form of government with a chief executive that is not a monarch and a representative legislative body. If the president were elected by popular vote the US would still be a republic.

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War is horrific , why do I aspire towards war you ask ?

Because then there are no laws.... just as in times of peace there never truly is law. Law must apply to all or to none in our country.

Sure there will be pain , sorrow, blood and death.... but why fear it when you can use it to your advantage ?

The only rules of war are :
1. You are dead and no longer matter.
2. You are alive without constraint or morality other than that of which resides in your own heart.

Take out (((them))) and their loved ones, end the blood line and prevent a Caste system from spawning like it is right this very moment. (Ch3ls3a C1int0n as an example)

It is only treason if we as a people do not instill a new government in the name of future generations not yet born. We do this, it is fully lawful and will be damned by the powerful.


" Through Emerald Eyes I See 1776 "

>>136582806
No country on earth is a direct democracy. In a direct democracy you vote for literally EVERYTHING. All of the world's democracies use representation.

>>136582886
>republic is a form of demoracy
Fuck you're a bright one. Why the fuck do you think some countries call themselves DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF?

>>136583031
ok now you're just autistic. Switzerland is a DD and has no chief executive or capital

>>136564280
Fpbp

Democracy means corruption and mob-rule.

>>136564280
first roast best toast apply aloe vera to the entire OP

>>136572323
We are a democratic republic. The overarching system is the republic. The way we elect our representatives is by democratic vote. The people vote on politicians, who then vote democratically on political issues. This has always been the case,

You do get "one person, one vote" when you are electing state and lower level officials, which is how it has always been. The electoral college is in place so that certain regions of the country can't affect other states as strongly. Imagine the entire U.S. having the politics of California or New York... no thank you.

>>136583133
Switzerland isn't a DD. It's a federal republic. It's executive power is just in the form of a council.

>>136564207

Friendly reminder that THE DONALD WON THE POPULAR VOTE too. U just have to substract all the voter fraud.

>>136582004
>Less government kills leftists
So the vibe I'm getting from just about every post likenyours is
>Guys! If we just vote conservative then we'll have (states rights, less states rights, individual rights, social prosperity)
Lemme translate that for you
>Guys, if we just vote for the establisment, our dreams will come true!

Conservatism has nothing to do with statism or libertarianism, hence the terms Anarcho-Capitalism and Republican Conservatism.

>>136583087
And you're a dumbass with nothing to contribute but sarcasm.

Respond to my point here >>136582523
or STFU

>>136564207
Why is EVERYTHING on TV pure propaganda like this?

>>136564207
>mob rule is the better choice

Stupid chink.

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>>136564280

this

>tfw being undemocratic

>>136583356
>dems smart enough to engage in voter fraud
>dumb enough to do it in the one place it won't matter
yeah sure. ill get right on that you stupid faggot

>>136564207
It was designed to assert state power and assure that small states still had a say in who ran the union of states

That little chink doesn't understand the foundation of our country

We are a union or INDEPENDENT STATES

Why do people not get this

>>136564207
Electoral college should be done away with desu, it gives unfair representation to smaller states. Also the way the system is now it makes being a republican in california an entirely pointless existence. If things weren't won by district and state then you would actually see far more republicans turn out in states like new york/california/washington.

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>>136564207
>a foreign child can parrot the bullshit shoved into it's skull in a few simple sentences!!

>>136564207
This kid ignores
>states like California let millions of illegals vote
>millions of votes for trump weren't counted or stated as a vote for Hillary
>most "blue" states are just manipulating their voting machines
>the masses get influenced by the fake news

If the popular vote would determine the president, New York, California and a few other states would be spammed 24/07 with HEIL HILLARY propaganda and Hillary would win instantly, because the masses are stupid

>>136583523
I mean, when people here barely understand the system, and when the left was screaming and tearing it's hait out about the popular vote after the fact, doesn't that tell you that they probably are that dumb? They still, even to this day, think it matters.

>>136583619
Lot of assumptions there and no proof.

>>136583031
Switzerland has a direct democracy

>>136583268
>>136583797
i dont know anything about switzerland but at least read the responses before you post.

>>136583383
What has slave representation got to do with the inherent Federal nature of the United States government and hence the implementation of the Electoral college? What has slave representation got to do with the fact the United States is more a Federal government that respects the autonomy of individual member States than a centralised National government governing provinces?

>muh slaves
Back to the cotton fields with you.

>>136564207
Poor little chinklet will never be able to Google the atrocities communism has provided his precious little "democracy."

>>136583797
Nah. They vote on some measures. But the government isn't a direct demorcracy. It's like how some states put propositions to the ballot, like legal weed. Doesn't mean they're direct democracies, the government still works through representation.

>>136564207
Mixed republic, not a democracy. Read Montesquieu

>>136581821
>protects the interest of states
>literally intends to protect the interest of politicans
>politicians get to determine where the district borders are drawn
>nobody has a single say except congress
And looks where we are now. It turns out that centralizing power perpetuates centralizing power and states have next to zero rights.

>>136570223
You are right they would ignore 48^when they could focus on 52% in cities

Tyranny of the majority is not something foreigners seem to understand

>>136564280
Share blue shills blown the fuck
Out

>>136576583
>It's just the shorthand way of saying they don't have proportional representation like in a Westminster type system.
That's not what republic means.

>>136564447
Came here to post this.

>>136583907
If you listen to anything in this thread, listen to this. And also read de Tocqueville.

>>136576105
All you need to do is point out is our government is literally a system of checks and balances.

Turns out the mob needs one, too.

>>136564207
wHO IS THE CHINK BITCH?

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LOL MOB RULE IS THE SHIT SON!!!!!

I know its a republic BUT MOB RULE WOULD BE SO COOL!

>>136564511
>a community that had (back then) no real means to communicate or aroganize
i, for one, am all too happy to help this society joeroganize.

>>136584113
Do you vote for your representatives?

Congrats, you're a democracy. Event the electoral college is democratic, it's just a first past the post system like the UK.

>>136584113
The USA is a democracy and a republic.
Canada is a democracy but is not a republic.
China is not a democracy but is a republic.
Brunei is not a democracy and is not a republic. It is an absolute monarchy.

>>136583931
The Electoral college isn't responsible for gerrymandering jackass.

Not my fault you have potatoes who allow themselves to be manipulated in that way.

>>136566827
Like Hilary ignored Wisconsin and Michigan? How did that work out for Madame president?

>>136564511
Couldnt have said it better myself.

Farmers and small towns shouldnt be ignored in the facr of overpopulated cities, so the College is designed to tip the scales slightly towards smaller communities.

>>136577136
>>136577309
both held elections

>>136583907
Let me see if you retards will finally understand this.

A democracy is any form of government in which the people vote on policy, representatives, or a mix of both


A republic is a form of democracy, one in which the government is headed by an elected chief executive along with an elected legislative body.

Every republic is a democracy. The US is a republic, therefore it is also a democracy.

>>136584189
A republic is a mob of politicians.

>>136584478
>Every republic is a democracy
That's not true.

Dictatorships are republics.

>>136584859
That's just propaganda though. A republic has to have an elected body of representatives. North Korea calls themselves a republic but they never vote for anything.

The executive doesn't matter, he can either be elected or nominated by the legislature.

>>136584859
Not true, dictatorships don't have a freely elected legislative body.

>>136585036
>North Korea calls themselves a republic but they never vote for anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea

>>136585036
>has to have an elected body of representatives
So does that make a Monarchy a Republic or a Democracy?

Because Monarchies can also have elected bodies of Representatives too you know...

>>136585136
You get what I mean. They vote for pre approved candidates and Kim Jong Un has the supreme power anyway. Their "elections" are a farce.

>>136585136
>All seat won by the same front

>>136585297
Constitutional Monarchies are democracies but not republics. They don't have an elected or nominated chief executive.

>>136585313
>They vote for pre approved candidates and Kim Jong Un has the supreme power anyway. Their "elections" are a farce.
Kind of like the shitty two-party system we have now between Democrats and Republicans?