Just saw the Movie "Wallstreet", Made Me a Full on

Do you have a question or did you just come here to blog about a 30 year old movie you just saw?

cool story, bro

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>>136531849
>waaaaaa other people are richer than me
kys commie.

>>136531849
>>136532385
I came here to point out how is Wallstreet not a 0 sum game? I mean they don't produce anything, yet they own everything. Really makes you think

>>136532763
>wahhhhhh the state is taking my property wahhhh wahhh
Please tell me you have cancer

>>136532484
Sure

>>136533077
>I came here to point out how is Wallstreet not a 0 sum game? I mean they don't produce anything, yet they own everything. Really makes you think

So you came here to tell us you have no idea what business investment is?

>>136531849
>im going to be working class when i grow up
You must be 18 or older to post here kid

>>136531849
>Wall street movie
>Hollywood

This is bait, right?

>>136531849
>It's a zero sum game kid
Then how do we live better than a thousand years ago you fucking retard?

>since im going to be working class when i grow up and my whole ideology is for the working class.
As expected of communist scum, think about self-benefit and have no principles whatsoever.

>>136531849
>being this easily influenced by a movie

Kys

How are they richer than you? These bankers and wall street types are only richer than you through cronyism and fiat currency. This system only has value as long as people place value in it.

>>136534160
>As expected of communist scum, think about self-benefit and have no principles whatsoever
THIS.

Typical working-class industrial commie faggotry.

>But I WANT to stand at this one machine and pull this one lever for the next 40 years of my life.... I just want to get PAID WELL to do it.

No faggot, learn some skills besides lever-pulling.

>>136534160
>how do we live better than 1000 years ago
Because of education and the working class retard

>self benefit
Yeah i am selfish, got a problem

>>136534333
>not learning from entertainment
Please tell me you have cancer

>>136534017
>hollywood
>not filled with Harvard degrees
Nice troll

>>136533720
I'm 18 but i mean like when im 30 im going to be poor

>>136533467
You don't understand economics, i think Gekko knows better than you pal he said it not me

>>136534438
They control more resources than me

>>136534499
>learn some skills
Why should I? My dads a fucking multimillionaire law firm wallstreet lawyer and he's making me be working class because of some shitty family spats? FUCK HIM and fuck you to. I'd rather live off welfare.

You're just mad because you're too much of a pussy to ever reach the 1%. You are a disappointment to your father.

>>136531849
Hitler hated wall street capitalism and communism get with it

>>136534658
>Why should I? My dads a fucking multimillionaire law firm wallstreet lawyer and he's making me be working class because of some shitty family spats? FUCK HIM and fuck you to. I'd rather live off welfare.

Dude just stop.
If you're gonna come to 4chan and troll people, you don't need to write up a whole fake persona. You're trying way too hard and it's just making everybody cringe. Let your arguments stand or fall on their own merits, and drop the roleplaying shit.

>>136531849
Trading mostly is zero sum fuck tard. Investing not so much, but ultimately can be for many in the event of a crash. Shit is more akin to gambling than wealth creation, but I wouldn't expect a communist to know anything about that.

>>136534560
>Because of education and the working class retard
You really are dumb. Even if your answer is wrong you still admitted that that wealth has increased.

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>>136531849

False dichotomy.
Commies are just agents of the capitalism.

Only traditionalism is the REAL opposite.

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>>136531849
>commie again
>again
sage

>>136531849
Jews run wallstreet
Jews invented communism

>>136531849
I bet your father is an alcoholic because you're such a failure.

>>136534438
This, buy bitcoin.

>>136532763
>waaaaa people don't like me being a rich self absorbed jerk

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>>136531849
>This movie is proof that capitalism doesn't work!

Every time

>>136534658
>a commie is a commie literally because he's mad that daddy stopped buying his lifestyle

The fucking memes are real, my god.

>>136534560
>im 18
>you dont understand economics

Hahahahahahahaha holy shit i remember my first joint

>>136534982
Enjoy ban

>>136534962
Explain this shit

>>136534919
Wealth has increased RETARD, I never once said it didn't. Besides our lifestyle hasn't improved since 1950, in fact it's gotten worse. But wealth creation is possible wallstreet doesn't create anything though

>>136534714
You and the 1% are all fucking pussies

>>136535187
>a fictional character said it

3/10 troll, try harder next time. Saged.

>>136535314
Only people who have wallstreet dads can ever understand economics. You don't so shut the fuck up. I read many economics books and investment books and my conclusion is "this shits got to go" as that dude said who's friends with Peter Joseph. I believe his name is some slavic thing

>>136535402
>fictional character
Holy shit you have to be fucking trolling. You're being banned just for saying that.

>>136531849
Are commies actually, unironically, this fucking retarded?

>>136535187
>When somebody calls you out for being a shitty troll, just call them a troll back so you can revel in the confusion.

I'm really just disappointed at the lack of effort more than anything.

>>136535187
LMAO

>>136535321
>It's a zero-sum game
>it has increased
Something being zero sum implies that a person can only increase his wealth by taking from others, thereby mainting an overall 'zero-sum'. It's not zero-sum if there has been an overall increase. Pick one and only one, faggot.

yes good goy, leave the capitalism to us. making money is evil and nasty.

>>136535516
You're unironically retarded

>>136535579
im not the one being banned

>>136535321
Ok tough guy dont make me call my dad who works for the local police department to track down your ip. You better be behind 6 proxies or your in for a world of hurt broooklyn style! Tell your dad to.l bring his shoe box with him. And dont let me catch you running to spider asking him to.tell tony to talk to.me capish? Now tell your mom lll be there in 20 mim to stick my gabagoo in her sweet ass

>>136535715
>im not the one being banned
I can hack the ban and pirate your IP Address from the mainframe server

>>136531849
Get your blog post off my board reddit scum

>>136531849
Thing is, it's not a zero sum game retard. How do you account for the explosion in wealth in the last 100 years? Billions lifted out of poverty. Yes, it came as a result of fractional reserve banking, and other questionable economic systems but how can you simply blame it on "the free market"? or claim it's bullshit?

I am mostly libertarian, but I do agree that the current system funnels wealth to the top. Never the less, there is still more wealth now than ever before. This means the "money pie" so to speak always gets bigger. So even if our slice of pie is proportionally smaller, it's still bigger than it used to be.

>>136535579
You're a really bad troll, i suggest quitting.

>>136531849
Dude calm down
Of course free market is shit, but your ideology is no better.

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>>136535321
>ban
twerp faggot, i own abd run this operation. enjoy your incoming fatal aneurysm.

>>136533467
This. It sounds like your 100% clueless on corporate/equity structure, because of that you're having an anxiety attack and acting like a women

>>136535881
Awe fuck is this 4chan the hackxter?? Omg please put me in the screen cap

>>136535715

>>136531849
>hollywood leftist propaganda made me a communist

wowie

>>136535929
Name a single thing that has been produced on wallstreet. Name a car that was made on WALLSTREET. I'm waiting

>>136535988
you're the one acting like a women

>>136536033
The real Gorden Gekko said it though

>>136531849
Lol man, you realize Geko is not an actual capitalist do you, he is just an actor in a commie's film

Its okay guys I hacked all the bans so we're safe

>>136535321
Why do you need to be told why communism doesn't work for the millionth time

Supermarkets are better than ration collection
AR15 is better than AK47
Wage increases without lowering taxes kills jobs
The government cant correctly gauge supply and demand
Communism relies on violent coercion and execution of people with different views
"for the people" is not a good motivator compared to "i will pay you x to do y"

why am i doing this im wasting my time

>>136535929
Printing fiat currency (that's backed by nothing but a promise from the gov) out of thin air is not wealth

Median income has barely moved in the last 30+ years

Home ownership is down to pre 2000 levels

By all accounts "wealth" has only increased for stock holders and by wealth I mean literally fake money that's printed on a whim

>>136536090
Wall Street is merely the funding for every corporation that produces and invents everything you fucking imbecile

>>136536090
ok so im reading the comments here, and i can see you are actually serious. you are an actual communist

what i would recommend is for you to read pretty much any economics book. pretty much any book whatsoever, and you will almost immediately realize that communism (and any other totalitarian ideologies, such as socialism and fascism) DOESNT WORK. it discourages wealth creation, thereby making a state... less wealthy. id write a longer elaboration, but im at fucking work. but i should have to do so anyway, because the totalitarian anti-freeodm inherent in communism should be obvious to you

>>136536232
He's probably sliding a much more interesting thread. Check the catalog.

>>136531849
yeah good job, you should base your political beliefs on hollywood movies

>>136531849
Idk about the zero sum thing but its obviously retarded how the more money you have the more you make, its a system managed to create inequality

>>136536366
I've spent my childhood reading economics. IF you read a single economics book you'll realize it's a failure. I read a pro-capitalist book and realized how shitty the arugments were

>>136536298
And corporations are parasites, so wallstreet funds parasite.s

>>136536464
ya thats not due to capitalism, thats due to corruption in capitalism (i.e. more totalitarianism, in the vein of something roughly equivalent to socialism, as its always justified by some sort of protectionism). markets dont create monopolies. governments do

>>136536460
sure

>>136536109
FUCK! I looked it up you're right. Thought he was based on a real guy like Jordan Belford

>>136536232
I just hate capitalisms inefficiency

>>136536287
pre-2000 levels. is good though. Everyone owned a home in the 90s

>>136536557
dude you already confessed to being 18

wherever there is wealth, there is capitalism

>>136536573
No it's literally in Adam Smiths economics

>>136536090
I don't even know how to argue with this level of ignorance I hold my CFP and CPA

Your demonization of Wall Street is similar to arachnophobia, fear of things you don't understand and look scary

>>136536655
So what yes im fucking 18. I have read Marx, I've read Ayn Rand, I've read Sowell, I've read Frederick Hayek, and guess what. The capitalists make shitty arguments, the only capitalist i respect is Keynes

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You need to watch many more films goy, and much more tv, and drink soda, and marry a black. All the goys are doing it, just watch our new film. Its about watching more films, and tv, and drinking soda, and dating blacks.

>>136536762
well in your OP you acknowledged that a hollywood movie is the primary basis for your current ideological affiliation, which sortof proves youre retarded

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What the fuck is going on in this thread?

>>136536723
My older cousin has a CPA at FUCKING HARVARD! And guess what he's a socialist. He still believes in money and markets but wants everyone who works at wallstreet is jail.

You like wallstreet, because you don't understand wallstreet.

>>136533077
>they don't produce anything, yet they own everything
Tesla just released a full-electric vehicle which stands as the cheapest current EV, and which contains the most advanced and well-constructed technology for the price level, if not for cars 2-3x its price level.

It has done this despite NEVER having EVER made a profit. Tesla has never made even one cent more than its expenses in its entire time operating. It has been financed, exclusively, by investors and the personal funds of its CEO. Yes, this company is thoroughly owned by investors. But they are obviously fucking producing things because the car would not exist without their funding. They saw the opportunity for future profit in the company, and as a result they dedicated their money to it and put their faith in Elon Musk to not fuck it up.

What has communism produced for cars? The fucking Lada

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>>136531849
>I mean they don't produce anything, yet they own everything. Really makes you think.

They don't produce anything because they don't have to, they're communists. They just print their own money because they're all in the same Jewish Zionists Masonic kiddie diddling and cannibal club that gets what they want in an instant. Wall Street isn't real. Its a gematria game. Hello? How can you be red pilled and not know any of this?

>>136536557
I don't know why I'm bothering in arguing with a teenager
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>>136536298
Wall Street does absolutely nothing you dumb cuck except arbitrarily price "stocks" based on how much banks are willing to pay and banks are willing to pay tons because they get 0% interest loans from the FED that's why the stock market is so high and breaking records

You think the average American is breaking records and becoming so successful? Obviously not by all statistics

Wall Street is laughing at Main Street and has been since the dumb cucks in gov game them a pass in 2008 and actually allowed people from Wall Street explain how to fix what went wrong

That's like having the police department investigate its own crimes

>>136531849
Venezuela is coming full commie, why don't you move there?

>>136536287
Fiat currency is over leveraged, yes, and the things you mention are symptoms of a broken system.

I think a massive reform of monetary policy is overdue.

>>136536464
>retarded how the more money you have the more you make, its a system managed to create inequality

How is this retarded? Also I would reconsider complaining about inequality.

>>136536866
NO! I just saw wallstreet like 5 minutes ago, i just finished watching it, and that seen where he says "it's a zero sum game, and i OWN it" really pissed me off and flipped me back. Because if you payed attention i was here 6 hours ago making a thread about how im questioning communism since i pay people to be my fake girlfriend and friends, and without capitalism i couldn't do that. Remember that thread?

>>136531849
Agreed, capitalism is wholly inadequate and it's intellectual mutation - consumerism is destroying us. I encourage you to read 100 Questions About Fascism, We have the innovation of private enterprise, with the economic leadership of a nation to lift up wages, crush monopolies where they exploit, and represent the worker in parliament. We want many of the same things you do.

>>136536887
CPA is accounting you fuckwad nothing to do with Wall Street other than evaluating their statements....

>>136531849
if you think the economy is 0 sum you need a fucking brain.

>if bob and adam pay each other to build each other a house for 100k each you end up with 2 houses and 200k moved.

>>136536651
>Jordan Belford
you realize jordan belfort is a jew right?

>>136537002
ok

if you love communism so much, why dont you move to ANY COMMUNIST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD? no? because they are all terrible? and every wealhty country in the world is a capitalist state? does the list of countries youd rather live in consist exclusively of capitalist states?

there ya go

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Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

>>136536901
Except here's the thing, the government could EASILY fund that. And the government would have the funds to do it if the government simply took all of wallstreets wealth

>>136535715
>NO U
Top tier bantz there, Comrade Cocksmoker.

>>136531849
Are you 15?

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>>136536651
>I hate capitalism’s inefficiency
Well time to go to a slower system and have less innovation Gommunism is the only way

>>136531849
watches jewish media

>communist

textbook.

>>136531849
So you are such a sensitive bitch you changed your economic view because of some asshole who doesn't even exist? Wow.

>>136536982
Because it's ultra-capitalist

>>136537023
I like some fascist ideas i really do but i can't get behind the whole ideology

>life is a constant struggle

I hate that, because in my opinion the whole point of life is to have a good time. The reason i like communism is to create so much wealth we can all chill

>>136537026
I know IDIOT, everyone in my family is either

>A: With my Dads law firm

>B: Work as psychiatrists

or

>C: Work as accountants

My cousin is an accountant and he fucking LOATHES wallstreet

>>136537274
yeah, the soviet union making nearly zero industrial advances between 1945-1991, thats like an economic miracle

i wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that almost every soviet citizen was 100% disincentivized from creating innovative technology, as they would have made no personal benefits from it? no that cant be it!

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>>136531849
>saw (((Hollywood))) film
>made me full-on commie

wow anon would you look at that

>>136537078
>jimmy boy sold a stock for $100
>GDP increased $100
>Nothing new produced
>This somehow isn't 0 sum
Get a brain moron

>>136537095
I don't give a flying FUCK what his ethnicity is. My grandfather's a Jew and he's way poorer than my Anglo dad.

>>136537160
Explain why China isn't doing that right now kiddo

>>136537002
Wall Street is merely the trading purchase of equity or a percentage of a company or a loan a company puts out that pays a dividend.

Why don't you want to own a business anon?

Whats the advantage of the government own them instead?

Can you name one government owned company that is functional? DMV? USPS? SS?

>>136537160
>easily
>simply

Nope, things aren't easy with or simple with communism.

>>136537103
There are no more communist countries that's why

>>136537119
Yeah i saw that too, it's stupid as shit because when a wallstreet dude makes money it comes off others expense

>>136537311
Because his argument made sense and im open to new arguments idiot. He said "when i make money it comes at others loss" which is true. Wallstreet guys don't produce shit but they rich as fuck

>>136537449
Sure buddy, even though their GDP doubled every 10 years and the USSR created most modern technology

>>136537489
Hollywood is run by capitalists bro

>>136537348
That guy was a proven fraud.

>>136537160
>if the government simply took all of wallstreets wealth
and there it is

totalitarianism
its the ultimate summarization of why socialism, fascism and communism never has worked and never will: totalitarianism. "give the government more power because X". it always ALWAYS INEVITABLY leads to serfdom (sortof slavery). anyone who doesnt recognize this pattern is a moron

>>136531849
>communist
>not becoming a NatSoc

Secure both the economy and a future for your race. Why choose between one or the other?

>>136537160
>the government could EASILY fund that
Then why didn't it? DARPA receives billions and has said multiple times that it wants to help address global warming, so why didn't it?

The answer? The government doesn't care. It's beholden to the people, who aren't interested in EVs. So the people who are interested in EVs invest in EVs, and when the projects turn out well they get rewarded for it by selling ownership of the stock when its value has gone up.

You don't want a communist government, China is a communist government and has never given even half a shit about global warming, only production numbers. You want a government that will make your wishes come true, and I'm sorry you spoiled little shit but the world doesn't work that way.

>>136531849
>It's a zero sum game kid
But it literally isn't
Stop getting your ideas and politics from hollywood movies you easily impressionable child

>>136537662
There are always going to be winners and losers in life kiddo.

>>136536999
>How is this retarded?
Because the fortunate people get more money than the others?
It's like giving a burger to a fat kid instead of a hungry one next to him

I don't mind inequality as long as it is fair, not the case of capitalism though.

>>136537728
>Sure buddy, even though their GDP doubled every 10 years and the USSR created most modern technology
oh is that why they collapsed? dude get your head out of the sand

>>136537662
>There are no more communist countries that's why
yeah because THEY ALL FAILED

youre just proving my point

>>136531849
>for the working class
>not specifically for the white working class

Neck yourself multiracial scum

>>136537576
China is doing that, China is a state-capitalist system meaning their central banks are loaning money into existance and thus for everything created the government gets some wealth. It's literally genius.

Women look at this and cry "Why doesn't everyone have this?"
Men look at this and say "I want that to be me"

Congrats faggot you outed yourself

>>136537522
Never mind, don't even answer my question.
Nigger, you are economically illiterate. No wonder you gravitate towards gommunism

>>136537733
Taking wealth isn't totalitarianism.

>>136536651
Its not inefficient, because inefficiency isn't profitable. Government is inefficient because its not working for money. I have private health insurance and had a procedure in 4 weeks that my workmates wife waited 3 years for in the public system.

>>136531849
>hey guys, I was convinced by a kike movie and you should be too

>>136537599
Lets take a look bozo. I don't want private people owning businesses because then they keep the profit instead of the money going into the national treasury.

>>136537825
if the government had the power to seize every asset from wall street (they fucking wish they could), their power would already be past a certain threshold that'd essentially ensure a gradual, totalitarian coup

>>136537912
Taxation is theft
Are you okay with the idea of pointing a gun at someone you dont like and taking their stuff?

>>136536929
Litterally what?

What is a secondary market?

What is a prime rate?

What the fuck do that incoherent rambling try to portray?

>>136536901
Bullshit, Tesla gets government subsidy. That's a company who is definitely a bubble

>>136537943
>if the government had the power to seize every asset from wall street (they fucking wish they could)
lol
The government here is in the pockets of the rich.
>their power would already be past a certain threshold that'd essentially ensure a gradual, totalitarian coup
>gradual coup
But that's wrong, you fucking moron.

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>>136534758
This

/pol/ is not pro capitalism its against both (((commnuism))) and (((capitalism))) nu/pol/ is full of commies and capitalists though

>>136534560
>Because of education and the working class retard
Fuck off. You're too stupid to use this site.

>>136537425
We don't believe that, fascism is chiefly about strength and unity which is why it's represented by the fasces. Strength through unity, like a bundle of sticks woven together. This is achieved by reducing wealth inequality and the class divide through representation of the worker in parliament, and by reducing the demographic divide through racial unity and a sort of pan-Europeanism.

>>136537733
Capitalism is feudalism which is true totalitarianism

>>136537747
I like the economic aspect of Nazism but i hate the racism and the xenophobia. Now im not an SJW cuck who thinks diversity is the solution but the Nazis had blind distain for other races and considered non-germanics to be inferior. As someone with Celtic and Mediterrieanian ancestry i find that offensive. Not offensive as in "don't say that its my safespace" offensive but offensive as in "i wont support it"

>>136537760
Because the government doesn't have enough money because dudes in wallstreet are sucking up all the money. Also Chinas problems are due to privitization not communism

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>>136537912
And I don't want to work for everyone else's benefit.
There is no incentive.

>>136538085
>But that's wrong, you fucking moron.
you claiming thats wrong doesnt make it so. show me the evidence

>>136538085
>The government here is in the pockets of the rich.
no argument there

>>136538093
YOU are nu-pol
pol is a ron paul fan club you fuckin stormfag

>>136537728
>their GDP doubled every 10 years
The GDP of the USSR is only recorded for the end of its existence, at which point policies like Glasnost had already opened the country to capitalism. It was socialist in the way that China is socialist, with state run companies that allowed for its GDP to almost instantaneously start growing.
>the USSR created most modern technology
No, it created political pressure that led to developments across the globe since, you know, the economic mismanagement that central planning leads to required constant resource inputs from vassal nations that the USSR sought to acquire.
>Hollywood is run by capitalists bro
It's run by jews actually

>>136537764
It is though, name something produced on wallstreet

>>136537766
That's why we take from the winners and give to the losers.

>>136538192
OK, this kid's underage.

>>136538268
But that isnt sustainable. What happens when there are no more winners to take from?

>>136538229
A coup is by definition a sudden and usually violent seizure of power. There's nothing gradual about it.

>>136531849
open a trading account you fucking pussy

>>136538192
no, capitalism is pluralism
its the reason why the industrial revolution only happened when it did. it was immediately after the "invention" of pluralism. the division of power. it instantaneously created incentives for new technology. it didnt happen 100 years early, or any other place, because pluralistic capitalist systems didnt exist yet

>>136537800
>collapsed
Sure it's totally due to GDP and nothing to do with imperialism

>yeah they all failed
No, the CIA destroyed them with coups, you just proved my point, the CIA wouldn't have to destroy them if they believed they would fail

>>136537806
Fuck you racist scum

>>136537816
No men say that, only women say that. Only women say "i want that to be me".

>>136531849
So a movie changed your mind about reality? Fucking autist.

>>136537821
I'm not answering you since you're economically illiterate.

>>136538056
you just have to be the least inefficient company to get invrstment in a bubble

tesla is the least efficient recipient of government subsidies, so it will grow until the entire market collapses

>>136538364
if youre being that prickly then ok, "seizure", "deposition", whatever. stop being useless and add something instead

>>136538192
>the government doesn't have enough money
The government has an income of over 3 trillion dollars, the Tesla Model 3 project cost a few billion at most.

Dudes in wallstreet don't suck up any money, that wouldn't even make sense. Who the fuck would be paying them? They're investors, they make their money when they invest in a project, it turns out well, and they sell their shares for returns.

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>>136537160
>the government
obongo would be the brains/loretta the brawn, hmmm?

>>136537662
> He said "when i make money it comes at others loss" which is true

No it's not. The stock market isn't actually zero sum. It literally makes money. If you invested in tesla, you gave them money they could use to make cars that people buy. People bought stuff they wanted and paid you for helping to make that stuff. Who is losing there?

> Wall Street guys don't produce shit

If I give you $100 so you can go make ice cream and sell it and then you pay me back, I might not have technically produced anything myself, but I certainly was involved in that ice cream being produced.

>>136531849
>I'M COMMUNIST AGAIN MOM

>>136538268
>Take from the winners and give to the losers
Then what is the incentive to win?

>>136537943
>they wish they could
DUDE! Wallstreet OWNS the government, the government wants to take wealth from everyone else and give it to wallstreet

>>136538046
No, but i don't have a problem with taking back what belongs to you, and all wealth in capitalism is theft

>>136537858
PROFITS = INEFFICIENCY

In capitalism 5% of production goes to profits, that in my mind is 5% inefficiency, 5% that could have gone into the states pocket.

>>136538413
Hitler seemed to do it well but that was a white ethnostate built on strength not pussification.

>>136538413
Your people uses imperialism how the right uses the jews.

Truth it's more places have a large amount of self govern, regardless the political climate.

>>136538490
If a government already has the power to take wealth, taking wealth won't make it any more totalitarian unless there's a simultaneous separate move towards totalitarianism.

>>136537912
And it's always better if all weath is held by an indisputable ruling class vs litterally everyone in the country competing for the best and most efficient way?

You still haven't answered my question though, name one successful state owned business?

>>136538413
>muh imperialism
>everyone is poor because USA imperialism

i also thought this way when i was 18. eventually you will realize that this overtly simplistic and moralizing perspective insufficiently describes reality, and you will grow out of it. i just hope you achieve it at a younger age than i did. try to liste to what pretty much everyone in this thread is trying to tell you. economic factors matter more than "evil CIA doing coups". its all about capital exports, for every state everywhere

>>136538134
I thought fascism wants class unity as in the rich and poor both exist but are in unity.

>>136536232
To be fair the AK is better than the AR15 but Kalashnikov was more a patriot who wanted to defend Russia regardless of what system it was under than a commie. Plus the USSR was run in large part by the military's needs which meant yes the military got priority over people eating but also meant their weapons weren't shit

But you're right on everything else. I still think we should implement a spartan type system where the entire citizenry is the military and everything is run like a giant army

>>136538551
Stock market doesn't always work that way. Look at Ford vs Tesla. One actually makes a profit yet the other is all based on hype. There's a lot of bullshit in the stock market.

>>136538590
>taking back what belongs to you
If you think you're worth $80,000 per year, and your boss only pays you $60,000 per year, that doesn't mean your boss is stealing $20,000 from you every year you fucking retard, it means that you agreed to work for less than you think you're worth.
>5% of production goes to profits
Yes, which then get spent on goods or directly invested into companies. Profit doesn't vanish into thin air after it's made.

>>136534962
Ride the tiger brah

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its pretty funny to me that commies and nazis pretty much have the same goal: gas the jews.
only difference is commies call them bourgeoise. even porky is an obvious jew

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>>136538590
You people are fucking nuts.

>>136538771
fascism wants a planned economy
socialism wants a planned economy
communism wants a planned economy

and they all have the same result, which is totalitarianism and serfdom. look at history. its the same pattern every single time, with no exceptions

where there is wealth, there is capitalism.

>>136538203
So why do you want to work for your boss

>>136538243
I don't know how to respond to that

>>136538334
Another winner will come to fill that winners place, and then you take from him

>>136538365
Why? So i can lose money? Fuck you pussy

>>136538399
Bro, the industrial revolution only benefited the rich, it wasn't until unions that it helped us

>>136531849
OP is a faggot if and fucking retarded if an offhand comment about wallstreet from a movie (an industry run by socialists who make movies like wallstreet, and The Wolf of Wallstreet in order to get thier socialist agenda out there) youre a fucking spaztic

>ITT A retard who doesn't know what social organization is vs a bunch of retards who don't know what socialism is.

I dare the retards in this thread give me the definition of Socialism, and for the faggot OP to explain how an organization can be set up without intervention from outside those proletariat who work said organization.

When you both fail, I want you to never form another opinion on social structuring on this board again.

>>136538934
>and they all have the same result, which is totalitarianism and serfdom. look at history.
like unregulated american industrialism?

>>136536887
I don't like wallstreet because they're jew parasites

>>136538590
Wall Street is not a real entity rather a personification of a service industry based upon finance.

One which is largely made up of ordinary Americans 401ks, pensions and investments

>>136539113
industrial revolution produced jobs
people need jobs

if you SERIOUSLY think the industrial revolution ONLY BENEFITED THE RICH then you are so deluded from reality theres no point in talking to you

are the wealthiest countries today (with the highest universal living standards) the ones that embraced the industrial revolution? yes they are. theres no refuting this, and... dude, you are so deluded this is just a waste of time

>>136531849

Did they mention that Wall Street is entirely run by Jews and that communism was also invented by the Jews? Pick a side goy, either way you lose!

>>136538447
>not opening your mind when watching a movie
AUTISM ALERT

>>136538511
Gorden Gekko specifically said that he makes money off suffering. And bro, the government ain't got shit they got 16 trillion dollars worth of DEBT

>>136538551
Except we got a FED which means we can do that without any capitalist getting rich, all FED profits go to treasury just have the FED loan to everyone

>>136538587
Social status, tradition. You really think if we had a 92% income tax no one would strive to be anything?

>>136536901
We don't need fucking electric cars except as fun targets for rolling coal on. It's literally just environmentalist virtue signalling and the kikes reducing freedom of mobility

>let's give the goyim an electric car that has to be in a city in order to charge now let's make it self driving so they have to stay on the roads not ever go off-road we assure you filthy goy- I mean good citizens that this is all to help the environment

>>136538551
the market pricing mechanism makes money by providing information on value and CRUSHING AND BANKRUPTING those who provide little value and those who give them money

when there is none of that, AND prices cease to reflrct productivity, thr market is less than zero sum. you have a shribking pie scenario that turns your assunptions on its heads, such as companies squabbling over market share even as revenue declines

read up bud

>>136538828
ak has zero accuracy and was adopted by literally people in mudhuts

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>>136531849

Wow. So you are so stupid that you let Hollywood brainwash you with their bullshit?

So that is how liberals are born. It's people too damn stupid to think for themselves so they have to let others do it for them.

Well. FUCK OFF commie. You now are a total piece of worthless shit.

>>136539130
well i mean, america isnt perfect, and there is a lot you can say to shit on it, but it honestly is one of the best countries in the world to live in. so..... "unregulated american industrialism" has yet to lead to serfdom

>>136539113
>Bro, the industrial revolution only benefited the rich,
i still cant believe you wrote that

>>136533467
So you usually come here to Jew, Shlomo Ginsburg?

>>136538604
You're a pussy

>>136538747
Alright bro, one sucessful state owned business, that crazy ass Chinese one that hacks Coal out of the ground. I can't find the name

>>136538754
People in the thread are economic illiterates, and you need to grow up bro. Socialism is the best at exporting stuff. Look at Stalin, exported TONS of farm products during the great famine.

>>136539331
>the solution to usury-induced debt is to loan more money from a central bank

>>136539297
the industrial revolution took jobs and replaced them with peonage. It wasnt until the unions arose that we started getting semi-decent pay and working conditions.

>>136539453
do you know anything about the industrial revolution?

>>136539297
People need jobs with livable wages. He's partially right, unions and us government preventing monopolies helped us.

>>136538590
But i voluntarily sold my labor to someone else. I agreed to work for x amount of money. If i wanted a share of the whole company for my labor then i would of declined the contract.

Nothing in life is free. You have to live off something you create. Whether that be vegetables, art, or labor. Someone has to want what you are offering and they will pay you for it.

>>136538958
Winners only surface when there is something to win. Under communism there is nothing to win.

>>136539113
I lost my first factory job when our union got another wage increase. I would of happily continued working for $24 an hour but i was not allowed to thanks to the union and was let off. The company could not make profit with me on, and if there was no profit to make why would the company exist. The government certainly isnt going to make a good lead processing plant.

>>136539331
I would not bother working if i made $100 a day and saw $8. I dont care about the services, i want to voluntarily chose what i spend my money on. You are advocating for actual oppression.

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>>136539512
>Look at Stalin, exported TONS of farm products during the great famine.
yea by diverting his entire workforce to forced industrial factories and used his high population numbers to squeeze out more capital than anyone in the world could. yet 50 years later, the technology hadnt changed at all (becuase no one has incentives to innovate, so they dont), and the soviet union collapsed

you are the person who wrote
>Bro, the industrial revolution only benefited the rich,
so you need to stop and think here. just go offline for a few hours and think

>>136538958
>I don't know how to respond to that
Because communism derives from two logical points coordinating with each other
1. Anger at feeling exploited
2. Feeling like that the wealthy are the conductors of the exploitation.
This is not necessarily wrong, but to declare that the free market is the enemy rather than specific groups is an incorrect conclusion.

The free market is the most efficient resource allocation system. It grants profits to those who use resources efficiently and effectively, and losses to those who use them inefficiently and ineffectively. The current economic situation is not the result of the free market, but the result of the government intervention in the natural course of the free market. Things such as bailouts prevent investors from learning from their failures, and prevents bad investors from being rendered penniless when they make bad investments.

Communism and even socialism fail relative to the free market because they assume that everyone has a right to what they want, which is not true. People have rights to certain things, but there are some resources which cannot be sustained while being accessed by the whole population. E.G., there is not enough beachfront property in the world for everyone to have a beachfront house, even if everyone WANTS a beachfront house. In a free market, rather than simply decreasing the size of beachfront housing to allow everyone to have a home, those with the greatest ability to manage their resources and the greatest desire for beachfront housing will have the most access to beachfront housing. The same goes for other resources.

National Capitalism is a better alternative. Building off of National Socialism, which understands the fundamentals of social theory much better than leftism, National Capitalism would combine this better understanding with an open free market that allows for the most efficient resource allocation possible.

>>136531849
Almost there, anon. The real message of Wall St is that private property is evil. You should therefore burn down your family property - all of it. Burn the cars. You will feel wonderful.

>>136539401
Electronic cars are a meme. Sure, we won't be using oil, but we'll need a lot coal unless solar power advances to a higher efficiency level.

>>136539297
You're so fucking delusional its retarded. Jobs are a form of wage slavery they are AWFUL. Unemployment went up during the industrial revolution anyway. Besides the reason our economies are so good is because we had strong labour unions. Look up Charles Dickens what he said about it, he said it put local businessmen out of business in favour of big corporations

>>136539425
>being so stupid you won't learn from a movie
You're mentally ill. You're too stupid to think for yourself so you shut out all other arguments. You're literally mentally ill.

>>136539562
Yeah but this way we enslave wallstreet by loaning them a ton of low interest money, and then raising the interest forcing wallstreet to liquidate itself.

>>136539964
Jobs are not slavery because its voluntary.
Taxation and government is slavery because it IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

>>136538771
We don't want absolute equality, you're right.
>>136538934
Do you feel free? The people don't have free speech, except in private conversations which gets them nowhere - and even that's being curtailed these days! You never get what you vote for on account of lobbyists and party obstructionists. You're ignored, the entire upper class looks down on you with contempt.

What even is totalitarianism? Go on, tell me.

>>136537160
>Wallstreet
>Being the problem
Dude are you fucking 12?
Wallstreet this wallstreet that.
It is a form of investing, a high speed way to make investments and get funded.
Its like getting a loan, only funded by investors instead of a bank.
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE GLOBAL BANKING CARTEL.
FUCK 1%, 6 OR SO PEOPLE OWN ALMOST ALL THE WEALTH IN THE WORLD.
THEY OWN THE GOVERNMENT, THE FED IS A PRIVATE BANK.

>>136539964
>. Jobs are a form of wage slavery they are AWFUL.
.....yeah i think youre just about ready to listen to this guy >>136539800
listen to that guy, i think he has some good advice for you

>>136539800
You only have that car as long as you pay taxes (registration and mandatory insurance) for it. They will take your house if you fail to make property tax payments too. In reality you don't own shit.

>>136539331
>Gordon Gekko
Some people are just assholes, Stalin was a communist who mass-executed people, at least Gordon Gekko isn't sending coal miners to the fucking gulags.
>Social status, tradition
Neither of which exist under communism, since communism presupposes that all people are exactly equal. Tradition doesn't work, since traditionally people have different roles, which supposes different resource allocation, which calls into question communist methods of resource distribution. Social status also means nothing, and did very little to motivate people in any socialist country. Especially since central planners naturally tend to want to conserve power, and those with great social status threaten that power by cultivating celebrity status that runs counter to the central planners' own desire for supremacy, inevitably leading to the suppression of those who achieve things for the state and their removal from history. Why do you think almost all Soviet War Heroes got their medals posthumously?

>>136539748
>the only insitive in life is money
USSR did a really good job on their space program tho

>and the soviet union collapsed because of that
the soviet union collapsed because Russians wanted to be american. Russia still uses a lot of her old soviet tech in her military. Its like you forget that the soviet union was a superpower

>>136539748
I agree with your first point, however he funded scientific teams to advance technology, most tech is produced by government such as NASA and the Pentagon. Noam Chomsky said that almost all technology is produced by the state.

Also it's true, the industrial revolution created record high profits for corporation

>>136540138
>Do you feel free? The people don't have free speech, except in private conversations which gets them nowhere - and even that's being curtailed these days! You never get what you vote for on account of lobbyists and party obstructionists. You're ignored, the entire upper class looks down on you with contempt.
i never said things are perfect, im just saying that more centralized power will only make it worse

>>136540138
>>136540138
>What even is totalitarianism? Go on, tell me.
the opposite of pluralism
essentially the idea that the person who makes the laws in a society also exerts them. this inevitably leads to some individuals becoming "above the law", and their use of this position to have power gravitate towards them. and when it reaches a point where some individual or organ has unchecked power, that is totalitarianism

its not complicated

>>136539756
Maybe this would work. I just hate these wallstreet guys who sit in offices all day and make billions

>>136540379
Please tell me why im wrong you tankie fuck

>>136540295
>The USSR did a really good job on their space program
No, the captured Nazi scientists the US and USSR brought back to their military labs did a really good job on their space programs, but the US was able to develop computing power more effectively and devote resources to the space program more efficiently (since capitalism allows for the most efficient development of resource processing, needed for a Space Program) and therefore was able to dramatically surpass the Soviet Union.

>>136540131
>Jobs are not slavery because its voluntary.
yeah we are free to choose whenever we want to starve to death or to be a slave, sure freedom

>>136538192
>government doesn't have enough money because dudes in wallstreet are sucking up all the money.
so the people who print the money don't have enough of it and can't get more?

>>136540194
I support private property, i don't support the 1% owning 99% of the wealth.

>>136540131
>Taxation and government is slavery because it IS NOT VOLUNTARY.
you can choose which government you live under faggot, just like you can choose between starving and working

>>136540240
In communism there was still a social status. Bullies in highschool beat the shit out of weaker people, popularity still existed, all that sort of stuff.

>>136540496
Everyone does. They're self-righteous and ignorant. Investment banking is like making sausage, you'll hate the process if you see it but you will love the end product. Investors are noisy, annoying, pretentious rabble but the fact is that they are very good at picking and choosing which products to dedicate money too, and that money helps the best entrepreneurs develop the products we use and love. In the case that they choose badly, they generally lose money, unless the government chooses to bail them out.

>>136540559
you fall in the common leftie liberal trap of mistaking capitalists for people who want "the poorer to get poorer and the richer to get richer". no one here wants that, but your method of "fighting" it is only perpetuating the problem

markets dont create monopolies, governments do

>>136532763
This.

>>136540500
I did

>>136536651
What is more inefficient?
A open market where only the most successful management systems will succeed.
OR
A bunch of bureaucrats who got their cushy jobs from their dads, have no real skills, and are unfireable.

JEEZ I DON'T KNOW.
I know you are probably twelve based upon your knowledge of economics, but have you ever been to the DMV?

>>136540515
Or you can be free to get shot by the government for not working or paying them protection money

>Working to live is slavery
Should we just be given free shit for doing nothing? Where is that shit going to come from?

>>136540189
you are 12. you can join the 1% if you have a 50k a year jib and regularly contribute to a 401k

the reason for the wealth gap is that fat american retards eat through their whole paycheck and masturbate to hd hbo duck dynasty game of thrones the view

of course the wealth disparity then imoacts the labor market because elites will invest their money differently

but its not the fault of a middle income office worker who saved his money that YOU are a dumb poor faggot

>>136540545
The government prints the money

>>136540502
>muh nazi scientists
Nazi Germany was a collectivist society too
also the soviets still had to fund such projects and last time i checked the Nazis (unfortunately) lost the war

>>136540693
Yes, but it is always on a small scale. You may notice, looking through Soviet history, that there was generally only a handful of major public figures at any given time. Hell, the assassination of Trotsky is just one example of how disagreeing opinions in communism inevitably leads to violence. The same goes for Mao vs. the USSR. It's not like they really got along, they were only ever barely allies.

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>>136539498
>So you usually come here to Jew, Shlomo Ginsburg?
You know I'm not a jew but I'm thinking about becoming one just to piss off faggots like you. It would almost be worth it to chop part of my dick off just to see the look on your face.

>>136540744
I don't give a fuck about monopolies, it's all capitalists i hate. The 1% own 50% of the wealth.

It's just status envy. What's ugly? A rock star or a kid who grew up rich to be a crust punk? No you don't find that ugly, in fact those are your cultural heroes. It's the image of people working to be rich and the frank discussion of it that you find ugly, because who works except those who aren't already rich enough? No one love or respects the truly poor, we all know they're closer to animals, stunted, uneducated. The only glamorous poverty is the kind that relies on some hidden wealth.

>>136540496
>. I just hate these wallstreet guys who sit in offices all day and make billions
there you just fell in another leftie liberal trap. you have that image, and i know what it looks like, of some coke-snorting monopoly billionaire who doesnt do anything

those people are few and far in between, and most of them, honestly, got where they are by working hard

but again, people here who say capitalism is the answer dont have any sympathy for those people (at all). but their position is solidied by corrupting the government through lobbying for government interference on markets (i.e. socialism and totalitarianism). in a sufficiently free market, their wealth is not solidified, and they are always in the danger of falling prey to creative destruction (better technology makes them obsolete)

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>>136540559
Please delete this goi.. I mean anon. We suffered six million pogroms because of comments like this one and our 260 IQ. All we want is a better life for all the humanity.

>>136540559
half of those people earned their.money and investrd

in fact the u.s.a. even in this "monopoly age" has the HIGHESTCWEALTH TURNOVER IN THE WORLD

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS RETARD?

MORE MILLIONAIRES IN AMERICA WORKED HARD AND SAVED COMPARED TO EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET

even equal societies like sweden have less interenerational mobility than america

get fucked

>>136540823
You're poor as fuck, why are you defending them

>>136540770
Thing is in a free market the rich people only got their because their daddies while in a socialism system it's a 100% meritocracy. You clearly don't understand even basic economics, but sure but sure. Guess what bud, profits are inefficient since in socialism all the wealth goes to the treasury, in capitalism about 30% does.

>>136540712
This. Based post

>>136540411
Every day you're told how things are to be, how your country is to be ran. They never asked you, and they never will. You don't matter, what really matters is the existence of a select few giant capitalists who own all the newspapers, the media and ultimately lead the nation. If that isn't tyranny, what is?

British fascism would retain the separation of powers through the crown, which would be tasked with appointing ministers, members of the Secondary Chamber which would replace the aristocratic House of Lords, and managing the armed forces.

>>136540932
yeah that 1% who owns 50% of the wealth (or whatever) do it BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY

this shit isnt complicated dude

>>136540876
>Nazi Germany was a collectivist society too
Nazi Germany had state-run corporations, and being a collectivist society for 10 years does not magically make your scientists retarded. Not to mention that Germany, rather than harnessing greed like capitalism does, harnessed the even more powerful emotion of human bitterness.

Communism doesn't harness anything, it uses the human spirit like a car uses fuel, which is why it took 20 million "glorious communists" to keep a couple million germans from taking Russia.

>>136540565
I cant chose what government i live under. I own my land, i live on my land. The government has never set foot on my land or seen my land yet claims to have domain over it. I choose no government.

>>136540827
This is correct. Fiat currencies are debt tokens for a stash of gold in the federal reserve.

If you want to know what happens when the government prints money look to Venezuela and post WW1 Germany. Money is worth nothing when the government can crash its value overnight.

>>136540903
If your dick is cut your only one step away from your goal. But everyone itt knows you're fucking kike.

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>>136539512
>you're a pussy

>>136540903
you're a -1/10 shitty troll

>>136540969
You won this argument ok, i admit it you win this one. I'm not saying your right but I have NO MORE RESPONSES. I am going to go to bed and think about what you said, and try to think of a refutation, but you convinced me pretty well. Maybe you are right, i'll have to think.

>>136534919
>Wealth has increased
Of course. Capitalists are embezzlers. You don't die from having a tapeworm, he just keeps you hungrier than you ought to be.

>>136540559
Wealth is property. You are saying you support some private properties but not other ones?

>>136541073
not everyone is comsumed with envy and a piece if shit like you

i might be "poor" compared to you but as long as i am allowed to SAVE what i EARN without robbers like you trying ti take from me, i will ALWAYS have more than enough
youvwould have enough too if you saved and werent a shithead

eat shit and die you human trash

>>136537002
>i pay people to be my fake girlfriend and friends, and without capitalism i couldn't do that. Remember that thread?
What is it like to live with such crippling autism?

>>136540969
>those people are few and far in between
Of course. And they own everything. If everybody was a coke snorting rich asshole, we'd have no complaint.

>>136541143
equities markets are by definition the opposite of a monopoly

leave it to a euro...

>>136541178
If the government doesn't print money you get a great depression though

>>136541178
>I cant chose what government
what is immigration for 400 please.

>Communism doesn't harness anything, it uses the human spirit like a car uses fuel
there has to be something in communism that makes people gravitate towards it because hitler expected the soviets to collapse as soon as he started marching in

>>136541278
Bro, i don't support that much inequality

>>136541296
I don't need to save. My dads a millionaire. Maybe you should save more than 5% of your earnings and see how far that gets you lol.

>>136541296
>i might be "poor" compared to you but as long as i am allowed to SAVE what i EARN without robbers like you trying ti take from me, i will ALWAYS have more than enough
>What is progressive taxation?
Poor people shouldn't have to pay income taxes. This is literally in the Communist Manifesto you autist.

>>136540818
I know we need to work to subsidize our living, but I rather want to work for my community, family and myself than to enrich capitalists

>>136541406
No. The Great Depression was, most likely, caused by the enormous printing of money by the Weimar Republic which led to the collapse of the Deutschmark, causing a chain reaction of bank collapses eventually leading to a total global economic apocalypse. Printing money has nothing to do with depressions, it's just incentive for people to invest since their money loses value, which is in itself a form of theft since it devalues people's possessions without their even getting a chance to fight back.

>>136541318
It's fucking terrible. School is over and my parents aren't letting me leave for another year. So i just wake up and go on the computer everyday and no one wants to hang out with me. I spent every weekend in highschool just reading about Hawking theories or economic theories like Keynes and Marx. Now that high-schools over it's not as bad tho since i don't have to go back

>>136541153
see >>136541465

>>136541143
Capitalism creates monopolies
Thats how accumulated interests work, the more you have the more you make

>>136541612
Are you kidding me? A shitty European country (it was shitty at the time) can't impact America. No economic theories say the depression was caused by the Weimar republic

>>136541394
shut up human trash

>>136541612
...yea pretty much this

quality post, anon

>>136541543
a comnunist bragging about how rich he is and holding ot over a poor person

now ive seen everything

>>136541549
ah, yes. and has this ever happened in reality?

is pol getting slid? why is everyone so retarded all of a sudden?

>>136541406
Theres nothing wrong with an economic bubble bursting. Its a natural part of a free market. But the great depression was caused by bad federal reserve policies which resulted in people hoarding money as an asset.
>>136541558
Then do it, the town where i live has like 100 people in a 50km radius and survives mostly on trading produce. I trade honey and fish for things i dont grow like tropical fruits and dairy products. I go to supermarket once every 2 weeks to get coffee and toiletries.

>>136541772
ah, yes

i am human trash because i have an accurate understabding of the definition of an equities market...

>>136536887
>My older cousin has a CPA at FUCKING HARVARD
and yet, here you are, name dropping your cousin.

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>>136531849
>sees a movie
>changes worldview

We know you're easily manipulated by your emotions at your age. Cookie jar is over there, tell your mom I said you could have one as long as you promise to finish your dinner vegetables

>>136531849
fuck you and your dad, you both sound like flaming faggots and probably touch each other

>>136542292
sure you do

>>136542527
It's called being open minded, you should try it.

>>136542193
>ah, yes. and has this ever happened in reality?
Yes. I don't know how else to explain it, but in the United States and most other industrialized countries with an income tax, the tax is graduated and the poorest wage earners don't pay it. That's the infamous "47%" from 2012. 47% of Americans aren't unemployed, they just don't make enough to pay graduated income tax rates.

>>136542747
Why? I can just wait for you to see another movie that changes your worldview again

>>136537160
Communists need to be hung. The government already takes a huge chunk of the country's wealth.
And what do we get? My local DMV has just BARELY started offering online license renewals ~30 years after the creation of the internet.

government agencies don't have the threat of elimination, so they only do the bare minimum

If the government funded a Tesla like project, it'd end up in the pockets of politicians faster than you can say nigger. It'd end up just like the "high-speed" rail projects or our $200 billion dollar donation to comcast.

>>136542994
Yeah that's called learning.

>>136543020
Thing is, the government needs more money to pay down the debts.

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>>136543020
>communism is when government does stuff

>>136543174
the government increases debt until it hits capacity. if you give it more money it will increase the debt.
>>136543240
precisely

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>>136543068
>he gets his Hollywood ((((((((((education)))))))))) through his parents' television because he still lives at home

Let me know if the billionaire media conglomerates give you any more spicy brainwaves, genius

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>>136543304

This autist has made similar threads multiple times without any actual arguments

>>136531849
>I got mad at a movie because it told me people are richer than me

>>136543382
I have to live at home since my mom doesn't want me leaving. Plus im only 18 university doesn't start until like a long ass time and most people move out at 19.

>>136543691
lets seize the means, and use them to make infinite churros my friend

I N F I N I T E

>>136543446
you don't know how to argue

>>136543567
>I hate stalin because he was richer than me
>I hate hillary because shes higher IQ than me

>>136534438
Pump iron and do combat sports and learn to shoot.

when the economy collapses i'll be taking any fucking property I want.

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>>136543691
Nice manifesto. Is doesn't have the punch of "property is theft" but it might look good on a T-shirt

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>>136531849
stupid slide thread, we all know that the fiat currency and the market crashes are all working as intended, so did communism, started and financed by rich jew bankers in the US!

Without capitalism there would never have been any gold to start any revolution, because it was not something the people wanted, it was bought and manipulated into being.

enjoy your lie

I am not arguing you hypersensitive sperg, I am pointing out simple facts.

>>136542475
naming dropping cousin, dad...

just a larping commie faggot

>>136544313
This
or an easily impressionable, irrational high schooler

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Note to all trump supporting capitalist apologists:

THERE IS A LIST.

>>136544447
Dont tread on me you oppressive tankie scum
Freedom or death

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>>136544709

>>136544498
Gimmie some of that
f u l l y
a u t o m a t e d
l u x u r y
c o m m u n i s m.

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>>136544709
Marx for Beginners:
>https://ia800204.us.archive.org/1/items/MarxForBeginners-English/marx_for_beginners.pdf
comrade17
Works of Marx & Engels:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/index.htm
marx5
comrade8
The Accumulation of Capital by Rosa Luxemburg:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1913/accumulation-capital/index.htm
comrade7
Quotations from Mao Tse Tung:
>https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch01.htm
comrade7
The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin:
>http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/conquest/ch1.html
The State and Revolution, Lenin:
>https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf

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>>136544447

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>>136544780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg

>>136533077
>is Wallstreet not a 0 sum game? I mean they don't produce anything, yet they own everything.
You mean like communism?

>>136544772
>taking ANY inspiration from Mao Zedong
eat a dick

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>>136545057
>pinoy mud-hut dweller defends capitalism

hahahaha, enjoy your rickshaws while porky the pig is in his sky rise looking down on you in manila.

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>>136544833
Didn't click that, too busy making money that I'll never share with the poor and less fortunate

>>136544498
>I deserve free money!!!
No you don't, you fucking failure.

>>136531849
Accept Natbol, it's the most logical ideology.

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>>136531849
>movie determines your political ideology
What next, clothing determines your sexuality?

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>>136545255
>/pol/tard thinks he makes money

hehehe brb, gotta giggle irl

>>136531849
Communism. 1% have the wealth. The other 99% are starving. You get to be part of the 1% if you're born to it, or convince them to let you in.

Capitolism: 1% hold the wealth, but are so fucking wealthy the other 99% don't live so damn bad.... honestly, the poor live like the middle class in other places... It's not the 1% fault that they have shit lives, because in capitolism if you want to be the 1% you just need to beat out everyone else. It's up to you.

So... OP is a lazy fag.

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>>136545267
>thinking communists want money
Hmm, maybe you should read communism before you criticize it. It's funny how amerifats don't even know the core fundementals of any ideology outside of capitalism.

If you knew anything, you'd know marxism is a wealthless, currencyless ideology. No money. This is why I like debating euros, even if they support capitalism, they usually are well-read enough to know the core fundementals of communism before they spout fox news buzzwords.

Amerifats and their inferior education system, always rustles my jimmies.

>>136545349
>conflating stalinism with communism
Read a book before you criticize.

>>136544772
>The value of of a product is determined by how much labour was put into it.

But this does not make sense.

Sorry, i will never advocate for a system that wants to be violent and oppressive towards me.

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>>136544772
>taking a perpetually unemployed rapist seriously

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>>136545555
I'm sure it doesn't make sense to you, and please don't advocate communism, we don't need illiterates making us look bad. You're better on the capitalist side, we need easy targets.

>>136531849
That movie made $43.8 million at the box office. How does capitalism not work?

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>>136545572
>taking a fat orange bigoted racist manchild seriously

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>>136545631
>australian pea brains actually think this is a winning argument

I take back what I said about amerifats being insufferable. I forgot about bogans.

>>136545669
Murray Rothbard is neither of those.

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>>136545807
2020, drumpfie

>>136536905
I'm pretty sure most nations started practicing Friedman's monetarism in the late 70's after stagflation.

Also, I don't think you realise how useless a rise in money supply is. All it's used is to fool consumers into thinking they have more money, instead of the same amount, so they purchase goods.

Other than that, the value your average consumer holds is still the same, as although the value of one denomination has decreased the average nominal household supply has increased.

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>>136545208
muh communism is great

yeah comes at the cost of slave labor and zero electricty and most of all stunted growth and cataracts

sure is great when all you have is your neccesities an you fail to even meet them

>>136533077
>I mean they don't produce anything, yet they own everything
Sounds like communism

>>136531849

now go watch EARTHLINGS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPNpy6TJf8 on youtube, you faggot!

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>>136531849
Gulags are the epitome of worker's rights. F Everyone knows niggers, spics, and slopes can not work without the control mechanisms of BASED jewish overlords! Communism is the answer to all of societies failings! I was an unemployed tranny with a felony conviction for bashing the fash (aka my burgerosie mom/landlord) until I saw a movie directed by Shlomo Shekelberg that changed my life and made me re affirmative action the power of socialism! Hail Sonic!
t. Comrade Cucknsuckstein von Preppabull

>>136545472
How do commies determine the value of goods? Based on their necessity? What happens to the value of luxuries? Are they 0, thrown out of such a system?

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>>136545533
as someone without a solid ideology, telling someone to read a book without giving a spill about it yourself just fucking shows how you havent read a lick of it yourself or have no thoughts of your own to make your personel interpretations or adaptations for modern life

>>136534658
I got this far in the thread and I just thought this guy is fucking 12 years old. I'm surprised I got this far. A bit of advice before I leave this thread dude, next time bring your A game because people here are immune to your bullshit and will eat you alive.

>>136545612
It does not make sense at all. The value of a product is determined by the demand for the product. Mcdonalds burgers are always going to be $2 because thats what the consumer has decided its worth. Gourmet burgers from a hipster burger joint are going to be $12. They take the same amount of time to make but why is one worth more than the other?

If the government puts a price on burgers to be universally $5 then the demand for burgers would plummet. Government cant accurately gauge supply and demand. Centrally planned economies never work.

Consumers put prices on goods based on how much they like them, independent of how much labor was put into the product.

>>136545346
Enjoy that free giggle m8, but don't let mom hear

>>136545208
>implying I'm not the porky pig looking down on the natives

>>136536090
>Name a single thing that has been produced on wallstreet. Name a car that was made on WALLSTREET.
This revealed that you are kid with no knowledge of how shit works. GTFO this board you underage degenerate piece of nigger shit.

>>136531849
Just way the sequel, wallstreet 2.

Made me a full on Oliver Stone skeptic after all of the commie propaganda thrown in my face.

>>136531849
ending wall street will not get rid of greedy ppl.

The greedy ppl will move to govt.

Do you really want wall street guys controlling every aspect of your life?

Probably not.

Communism is for dipshits. Open a history book.

>>136534560
I remember when i was like you , thank God i got over it. Remember you are going to understand later in life why what we have now is better than communism. It's not perfect but compared to the commie idiology is vastly superior.