Just watched a lecture of his in which he said that the Chinese

>>136516320
He is a piece of shit who is going to die of old age soon. Nobody will talk about him anymore than Bobby Kennedy.

>>136516320
He's exagerating but asia was incredible advanced way before the west.

Marco Polo leveled the situation and the decade of the great european empires followed through, before that they were pretty backwards.

>>136516320
he's right. whites (europeans) always relied on non-whites such as jews and persians to help them (re)start their economies and develop their culture.

a reminder that civilization didn't reach the germanics until 500 AD, the middle east had it in 2500 BC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0

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>>136516320
It's true, yurope ended up on top basically by getting lucky
Yuropoors were first barbarian morons and will return to being barbarian morons

China , if I recall properly, was more advanced in many areas during the Han Dynasty (200 BCE - 200 CE) than the Song Dynasty (~950-1200 CE), going through a regression due to instability and chaos. China going through a few centuries of stability under a strong Dynasty then decades of chaos and civil war that take a long time to recover from (it's easier to burn a field or kill a man than get a new one)

When the Europeans came, many of the technologies they brought were ones China previously had but fell out of common use.

>>136516589
>He's exagerating but asia was incredible advanced way before the west.
>Marco Polo leveled the situation and the decade of the great european empires followed through, before that they were pretty backwards.
Forgot to mention, his claim is that they were superior as recently as 200-300 years ago. I know they were superior to us, culturally, in the remote past.
>>136516961
It's statistically likely that the man on the left has an iq below 90.

>>136516828
>he's right. whites (europeans) always relied on non-whites such as jews and persians to help them (re)start their economies and develop their culture
I don't know of any Oriental work that tops Homer or Aristotle.

>>136517136
200-300 years ago it's a valid timeframe, the west didn't really advanced until the industrial revolution, before that most people lived under feudalism or something similar and large scale country wide projects were rare.

>>136517478
>200-300 years ago it's a valid timeframe,
You believe that India was culturally superior to Britain in the year 1770?

Chinese/Indians better

But got colonized, makes you think?

>>136516320
no we absolutely did not.
They had glorious natural resources and an easy life which gave them vast cities and big groupings and achievements, while we had scarce resources and so gravitated to smaller communities as the land could not support as many people as easily because of the ice age.
But by the time we got to them they had essentially stagnated for about 2000 years, and still hadnt even thought about the possibility of toilets.
They were both great in prehistory, but as soon as the ice age ended and we started to congregate in larger communities, we surpassed them by a country mile in about 50 generations.
So no. we literally took no technology from them whatsoever. But we gave them electricity, medicine, roads, transport, shit anything beyond about 1000ad.
We took their resources, that's literally it, and in return we gave them representative democracy and ended the untouchables caste system.
So they can shut the fuck up with their whineing

>>136517586
Considering that 1770 indian culture it's still popular, while british culture of the same period it's not so much.

>>136517355
More people probably follow the teachings of Laozi than Aristotle today.

The only worthwhile thing Chomsky has done politically is Manufactured Consent.

>>136517946
>1770 indian culture it's still popular
what the fuck are you talking about

>>136517874
>we gave them representative democracy
Look where that has gotten us all.

>>136516320
the man is a cocksucker

>>136516320
Except you didn't source or sage

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>>136518048
Welcome to modern western culture.

>>136517949
>More people probably follow the teachings of Laozi than Aristotle today.
So what?
>>136517946
>Considering that 1770 indian culture it's still popular, while british culture of the same period it's not so much.
The Indian culture of that century is completely irrelevant today, while the British had Johnson, Burke, Goldsmith. In America, there were Hamilton and Jefferson, would probably had more influence than all of India during that century.

>>136516828
>persians
>non-whites
kek, literal aryans

>>136518084
Pretty much this.

Democracy is just like Communism. A naive idealist meme.

>if everyone did their fair share of work, Communism would work
>if no politicians tried to game the system and force us to choose among the same shitty options, democracy would work

>>136516320

Well Europe has been the shit part of the world for most of history. We we're just better at other stuff, like being smarter.

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>>136516320
>white boiis were pathetic and behind in everything
>somehow manage conquer the world defeating all of the superior people
Man that really activates my neurons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL6w4Emwyi4

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>>136518358
Modern Indian/western culture it's based in the first reports from the british expansion.

All the westernized budhism, hinduism, healthy lifestyle practices, ascetism, veganism, etc...

Originates from this period, you may not like those things, but to deny their impact in the modern culture it's dishonest at best.

>>136518084
anon, this is the one thing that pisses me off about this site, is none of you recognise just how important this is.
The governemnt being accountable to th people is literally responsible for your ability to think. It is called an internal or an external locus of control - whether you view your actions as responsible for their outcomes or whether you believe it just fate and nothing you do makes any difference. It is the difference between knowing you can change your own life or thinking you are a powerless nobody that just has to plough on not affecting anything.
If you value yourself, that is thanks to your ancestors fighting to be recognised as people instead of numbers. More specifically it is thanks to your english ancestors.
If the government decides it wants to be all powerful, and can kill you at any time and take all your stuff for itself, what can you do about it? Nothing. The fact that governemnts are prevented from doing that, is purely the threat of revolt from the people, because the people do not want to be slaves. If that threat is removed, the governemnt can do whatever it wants, like is happening in the EU with the slide of government supremacy.
In north korea, if you criticise the government you get shot. So who criticises the government? Noone.
If your ancestors has not fought the king's armes and won that right. you wouldnt even conceive of being free. You would just KNOW that if you argued, you die. So you would have no freedoms whatsoever, and be no better than a north korean.
In england we had to fight for representative government every generation from 1066 til 1642 when we finally won again.
Then the american settlers took that spirit to america, thomas jefferson gave it to the french and then it spread to europe in 1848.
It is the fundamental thing that all of what we imagine to be "modern" society rests on.
That's why it's the one thing communists are desperate to subvert, as it is what keeps a country free instead of drones

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>>136516320
He's not that well respected, he's just very often cited. That's for two reasons, it seems. #1 he has been consistently anti-American on every single issue related to anything that has ever happened for his entire career which spans decades, #2 he wrote a book on media interpretation which is somewhat correct, except he has the villains all wrong. He basically says that the entirety of the mainstream media is a capitalist plot that exists to prop up American imperialist hegemony. Well, he's right that the media do collude to present a unified message, but it's run by and props up the jew, not America.

As for history, the man is an utter dolt. Remember, his field is linguistics, and apparently his theories there didn't even really pan out. So he's completely over rated. But essentially every historical argument he has ever made was flat out wrong, because they're just his ideological political bias being expressed as revisionism to paint the West and America as evil. For instance, Chomsky's contention is that the allies did nothing in WW2. The Soviets won the war, and all America contributed was firebombing Dresden and nuking Japan out of pure maliciousness because we are evil. He has been BTFO so hard by actual historians that it's a wonder anyone pays attention to him any longer, but I suppose that's the advantage being a jew will get you.

To put another example. When the Khmer Rouge first started massacring people, Chomsky's original position was that it was media lies. Then when the murders were undeniable, he argued that they were good because they prevented more killing that would follow a counterrevolution. Then when it was flat out fucking genocide and the entire American zeitgeist was horror over the episode, he quietly backed away and shut up about the whole thing for like ten years. Never issued a retraction on any statement.

Then he popped up later and argued that actually the genocide was America's fault because we're imperialist.

>>136516320
Adelard of Bath knew this too

>>136518887
>All the westernized budhism, hinduism, healthy lifestyle practices, ascetism, veganism, etc...
Only Hinduism and Buddhism do. And they haven't really had a great cultural impact, they're mainly just memes for middle aged women.
>ou may not like those things, but to deny their impact in the modern culture it's dishonest at best.
Don't try to hide your weak arguments with shit like this. Give me facts.

>>136519056
Chomsky was talking 250 years ago, or so. Long after the death of Adelard.

>>136517355

How many oriental works do you know, period?

Most of the West didn't even know of Sun Tzu until after the Vietnam War. Hell, they still don't know.

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>>136516320
It's idiotic. The idea that Europe first had nothing and then stole wealth and power from superior civilizations through military force is patently wrong, the only colony that was profitable for the British Empire was India, and only then over the long term. and even that is debatable.

The chief utility of colonialism was not the wealth extracted from those colonies by force, but the fact that they acted as harbors which facilitated trade. What of the Chinese trade which brutally exploited everyone to the west by refusing to give up silver and gold, while exporting fucking bug-vomit? Is this fundamentally different from forcing the Chinks to allow the trade in gold? How long did the opium trade last?

The entire history of China was ruthless economic exploitation of its neighbors and of distant countries, they got a taste of their own medicine from the Bongs and even they aren't crying about it anymore--but the Jews are.

The west borrowed form China and India very highly before and in the middle ages, but post enlightenment and scientific revolution the West far surpassed both in every way. We were reliant on them in the far past, that much is true, but imperialism came as a result of superior technology, not as a cause of it.

>>136516320
Because Chomsky and Chomskyites are simpletons who only understand how to project onto any field they attempt to wade into. His viewpoints are ahistorical and sourced in an intentionally malicious cherry picked fashion.

>>136519219
>Most of the West didn't even know of Sun Tzu until after the Vietnam War. Hell, they still don't know.
And nothing in his tome of cliches tops the great military commanders of the West.
>How many oriental works do you know, period?
Why jump to this? Stand on your arguments or admit inferiority.

>>136516320
>Millionaire Noam Chomsky who calls for Communism
>Being taken seriously
>By anyone rational
>At any point
>Ever

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>>136519079
>they haven't really had a great cultural impact, they're mainly just memes for middle aged women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaWK4GGRMx0

What did I tell you about being dishonest.

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It wasn't western imperialism that made Chinese bureaucrats of the mandarinate bury advances like the mechanical clock in favor of studying Confucian literature for exams. China was an earthy, stable "center of the world" with no need for the kinds of wares a Leonardo would pedal to contending European states. China had renaissance men like the author of the "Dream Pool Essays", but their work was neglected by the established order and so the West would have Newton, calculus, modern physics, and so on.

Needham's massive "Science and Civilization in China" documents everything they invented, along with "Needham's Paradox" of why China never invented modern science, as above. How Chomsky is ignorant of this is ridiculous.

>>136519690
Again, you're only posting a meme phenomenon. Le new age shit was popular in the sixties. But it's another thing entirely to actually spread Hinduism into a country.

I'm talking significant, lasting cultural impact to good purpose. You've given me a drug addled pop band diving into contemporary crazes

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>>136518932
well said

>>136519648
this. Often we cannot see the wood for the trees.

>>136520013
Pop culture it's modern culture.

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>>136516320
He's just autistic. He's also Jewish so he has a huge chip on his shoulder because West is the yiddish term for "Christendom" or else he wouldn't even legitimize the conceptual idea of any country as valid if he opposed "imperialism". He's pretty astute and red pilled about other things though, such as the use of false presuppositions for mind controlling group consciousness.

>>136520145
new age hinduism is not real hinduism

>>136520145
>Pop culture it's modern culture.
Great, but we're arguing which was culturally superior. Moreover, your example is only a small, temporary facet of pop culture.

If the East was much advanced economically and technologically then they would have colonized Europe hundreds of years ago. So what happened? India got colonized and China got OPIUM'D and had Hong Kong taken away from them.

>>136520284
It doesn't has to be traditional hinduism to be directly related.

>>136520292
The Beatles and Indian culture it's a lot.

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>>136519920
Chomsky is a linguist

>>136520091
thankyou based argentina

>>136518358
>>More people probably follow the teachings of Laozi than Aristotle today.
>So what?
It's just one example of Asian philosophy that has had serious impact on the world. Not sure how else one could try to neutrally judge a philosopher.

>>136520284
Vedanta and the Upanishads are too much for normie followers of garbage like Deepak Chopra to follow.

>>136520874
>It's just one example of Asian philosophy that has had serious impact on the world
Whose talking about "impact?" If you think that actual judgement is impossible, then simply decline to judge at all. Of course there are more readers of Asian philosophy, there are more Asians in general.

I don't see how anyone could put Laozi above Aristotle of all people.

>>136520634
lol no, they are not only not directly related, they are simply not the same

new age is westernized eastern philosophy, its a vehicle for the perennial philosophy, which is western esoterism, its superficially eastern, only using the symbols due to their appealing exotic "mystic" nature, and subverting them to support the syncretic ideas of the Beat-New Age-LSD-Ufology movement

its actually one of the only examples of things i could call cultural appropiation, alongside us/uk "latinamerican socialists" who turn peron/chavez to examples of a perennial lefty cosmovision to further their own bullshit when they are actually something else entirely

>>136520634
>The Beatles and Indian culture it's a lot.
And which top 40 bands are following this diluted version of hindusim today? Pop culture is highly transitory.

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>>136519478
>tome of cliches

wew lad

>In 2010's Think Like a Champion, Trump weighed up Machiavelli and Sun Tzu.

>"One book that I would suggest to you, because it is valuable for business and managerial strategies, is The Art of War by Sun Tzu. It may sound like an unusual business school recommendation, but believe me, it isn't. It's valuable and worth your time. By comparison, another famed book is Machiavelli's The Prince, which is more about political conflict and qualities necessary for leadership than war or business, but its emphasis on power becomes a negative factor. Ethics and integrity seem to get lost somewhere in the shuffle, and therefore the word Machiavellian has become a pejorative term. It's a better use of your time to read The Art of War."

>Members of his cabinet are disciples, too. Trump has nominated General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, a Sun Tzu quoting jarhead, to serve as his Defense Secretary. "The Marine Corps," said Mattis approvingly, "has always been more Eastern-oriented. I am much more comfortable with Sun Tzu and his approach to warfare."

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Chomsky is a armchair anarchist, a phony, who lives in a cushy ivory tower.

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>>136521333
You are making a cartoon of new age beliefs, for perfectly fair reasons, but that doesn't stop people from learning proper hinduism

>>136521361
Pic related.

>>136521715
>Pic related.
Anon, that's some bimbo pretending to be a hindu, it has no effect on wider culture, even on pop culture.

Is she even top 40 anymore?

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>>136521819
She married the most british man alive in India, seems very influential to me.

>>136521276
So we're just basing it on how much you like them? What are we basing this on?

>>136516320
1. everyone steals from everyone ALL THE TIME. that's a fucking fact throughout history, except, we're the first to be stupid enough to feel guilty about it.

2. when we originally arrived in India, there was literally fucking nothing there. tribes, living just miles away from others, thought they were alone in the world, due to the heavy, dense forest. we built roads, educated the Indians, but apparently, we "oppressed" them, and did nothing good whatsoever. whatever.

3. the Chinese always were very insular, and arrogant. yeah, opium wars blah blah fucking blah, but what about the other hundreds of years where we barely heard anything out of China?

4. Chomsky's a fucking moron.

>>136522194
>So we're just basing it on how much you like them?
We can just base it on what they've done. What has Laozi added to the history of ideas? How many great men's ideas has he influenced?
>>136522014
>seems very influential
What are you talking about? This is the last reply your clownass is getting from me

>>136522581
>we want to steal the riches of an entire nation
>looks like we'll need to build some roads and rails to get our loot to port
>looks like we'll need to train the natives and propagandize so they can cooperate with our taking all their shit
>but why are they so mad about this?

>>136522581
>4. Chomsky's a fucking moron.
good point tbqh

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>>136522581
>There was literally fucking nothing there.

>>136522822
Triggered.

>>136522843
>we want to steal the riches of an entire nation
>so we educated them
Wonder why you conveniently left that part out

>>136516320

Neither were superior to Western culture, otherwise they wouldn't have been colonized by them.

At different points in history both were more advanced than the West. India stagnated long before Western intervention and China collapsed prior to Western domination.

He's historically retarded and has no fucking clue about the subjects he discusses beyond the media and how it functions, which is why Historians and Economists regularly blow him the fuck out.

Also genocide apologist.

>>136523155
I didnt. They educated them enough so they could be useful.

>>136523326
I remember him naming every genocide including the commie ones in his text about 9/11.

>>136517136

India wasn't superior unless you go back THOUSANDS of years.

China was superior very recently - only a few hundred years ago. But they had an internal collapse and forced stagnation (by their ruling elite looking to maintain power) prior to whitey pushing their shit in.

>>136523427
>I didnt. They educated them enough so they could be useful.
I see. So India should have been left untouched then?

>>136518463
Speaking of Aryans, China didn't become civilized until the Aryan migrations brought with them the chariot and domesticated horse. I'm not saying wewuz yellow emperors and sheeit but I am stating a historical and archaeological facts.

>>136516320
He's a fucking beta. I can't take him seriously since he isn't able to enforce anything he is thinking.

>>136523599
>China was superior very recently - only a few hundred years ago
I have a hard time believing this senpai. Maybe in some respects. I don't think there was a Chinese person on the level of da Vinci or Newton a few hundred years ago

>>136519920

Chomsky is a linguist. His work on the modern media is fantastic.

His work on politics, history and economics is idiotic and conspiracy theory tier.

Also, he unironically supported Pol Pot.

>>136518084
A standard of living higher then anyone else's in history?

>>136523834
>Chomsky is a linguist. His work on the modern media is fantastic.
I've always wanted to read his linguistics, but his other stuff really put me off. It's as you said, quite literally as bad as Alex Jones

>>136523602
So the choices are steal all the country's wealth for a couple hundred years, or leave them completely untouched? If you run across some rich guy on the street, is your first inclination to just take all his stuff?

>>136524179
>So the choices are steal all the country's wealth for a couple hundred years, or leave them completely untouched?
Didn't they give back more than they stole? What's the other option, convince thousands of Englishmen to do charity work pro bono?

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>>136516320
>the Chinese and the Indians were far superior to the West in economic culture and technology

In 1492, the Muslim empires of north Africa still sat in Spain. In 1529, Vienna resisted a siege of the Muslim Ottoman empire.

Westerners have a funny view of things, but during the Dark Ages, the west was way behind the Muslim countries, the Indus Valley civilization, China etc.

It was only in the past few centuries the west began pulling ahead (and starting in the 20th century, the lead of the west has been shrinking every year).

> the backwardness of these two countries is largely a result of Western imperialism

England purposefully wrecked the Indian textiles industry when it colonized India. With China there were the Opium wars etc.

I mean you can see it in Europe - Poland and Ireland were colonized countries and the colonizers saw to it that all advancements happened in the imperial centers, while the farm work be done in the colonies. I mean England still has troops stationed in Ireland, they might put up border walls in a few months (which will sooner or later if they try to put the internal border up in Ireland probably revive the IRA).

>>136523810

Of course there was. Their list of inventions is not Kangz tier.

They had advanced mechanics for the time, but as an anon pointed out, they would sell these to the west and refuse to use them at home because their feudal system was terrified of progress.

At one crucial point they had ships that were more advanced than Western ships in some ways, and began rapid exploration and expansion...only for the Emperor to burn all the boats and make it a capital offense to build or sail them. He believed they should stay at home and work and not concern themselves with the rest of the world.

China had movable type printing in the Song dynasty, around the same time as the Guttenburg Press...and of course the Chinks forbade it's use among most people.

>>136519043
>Then when it was flat out fucking genocide and the entire American zeitgeist was horror over the episode

What a laugh. From 1979 on the US fought for the "Khmer Rouge", whatever that is, to retain control of the Cambodian seat at the UN. The US began arming the "Khmer Rouge" in the mid 1980s. "American zeitgeist in horror over...the genocide" - what a laugh, Reagan was bankrolling and arming the "Khmer Rouge" - it was reported in the times, Peter Jennings did reports on it from Cambodia.

Chomsky is one of the only real dissidents left in the West.

>>136524568
Great stuff, but it's not at all relevant to the thread which, if you'd bothered to read, is concerns itself with the past 200-300 years.
>It was only in the past few centuries the west began pulling ahead (and starting in the 20th century, the lead of the west has been shrinking every year).
Mainly as a result of Eastern peoples learning from the West. It's not as if there is some great oriental country making progress on its own.
>>136524666
Who's the Chinese Newton then?

>>136524568

Opium Wars came after China's stagnation and collapse.

England ruined India's textile trade by inventing superior technology and producing better and cheaper products.

Most of the Islamic scientific dominance stemmed from preservation of European knowledge. If it wasn't for secularists like Attaturk, Islamic nations would still be in the dark ages.

>>136516320
In Europe, there was a scientific revolution in the seventeenth century, followed by the proliferation of different scientific disciplines in the eighteenth, and an industrial revolution (mainly in Britain) which resulted in a huge number of technological innovations and a definite advance over any other existing civilization.
Nothing comparable happened in any other civilization ever, but before this complex sequence of events, economical and technological superiority in China and India is believable.
In short: we did not "steal" technology, but invented new technologies along with a scientifically oriented culture which strongly supports inventions.

>>136518842
"white bois" didn't conquer any of asia, they used rival kingdoms and basically backstabbed their way to power in India and then used that influence to weaken china and the surrounding nations

>>136516320
Old socialist is socialist.

He does tell a lot of truth in among his lies, Chomsky is a waste of time. Read the material he cites, not his opinions.

Also anyone from the old media can't be trusted

>>136524932

Dunno. Someone like Su Song I guess. Another flaw in Chinese civilization - no one seems to like individuals taking credit for their work.

>>136524932
>Mainly as a result of Eastern peoples learning from the West. It's not as if there is some great oriental country making progress on its own.

It's a bizarre notion that all innovation spilled out of the west, and nothing spilled in. As I said, at the turn of the 16th century the west was a basket case, with Muslim empires at the gates of Seville and Vienna. The west was importing its knowledge from the Muslim world - like algebra (an anglicization of the original Arabic word for it - جبر ).

Beating back the Muslim invasions at the turn of the 16th century, the Renaissance and Enlightenment etc. were a turning point, and for about a century and a half, the west did grow in power. That began changing at the beginning of the twentieth century and for the last 70 years the lead of the west has been shrinking.

>>136516589
>asia was incredible advanced way before the west.
No, Asia was simply behind the West chronologically, and progress in the West's medieval period is underappreciated.

If the Roman Empire somehow existed on another continent from medieval Europe, until it was conquered by modern Europe, people would be saying that Romans were way ahead of Europe. It's superficial thinking, believing that Europe went backwards, and then a miracle happened and suddenly they had science and modernity out of some culture lottery. Europe threw things out that weren't working.

The West evolved beyond the stultifying primitive large-empire stage, to a more dynamic and competitive system of organization, which maintained long-range order through the Church while letting local cultural, technological, and genetic evolution move forward.

At the dawn of modernity, Asia looked about like Europe had a thousand years before.

>>136522581
holy shit I didn't know bongs could be this dumb

>>136516320
It's insane. The Chinese under the Qing were stagnant, same with India under the Mughals. The social stratification that both employed didn't help matters. The fucking Qing were still using swords and spears as their main weaponry in the mid-1800s. The Japanese also went about modernization much better: after the Restoration most of their government went on an 18-month world tour, they did everything they could to learn from western governments and military and incorporate them into the Japanese culture. The Qing didn't really do that.

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>>136516320

>>136516320
So smart they got raped.

>>136516320
>Did we "steal" the technology of the glorious eastern kangz,

Guns were made from Chinese fireworks

>>136516320

He's the high elf of jew-marxist propaganda. His life's work could be summed up by saying "this man got famous and rich by writing about how shitty his local country is, while the citizens of that country gave him money."

When he dies I'll celebrate desu

>>136525611
>The west was importing its knowledge from the Muslim world - like algebra (an anglicization of the original Arabic word for it - جبر ).
The word "algebra" is from Arabic. The concepts, however, were nearly all developed in the West. What was imported from the Muslim world was a distant echo of ancient Western teachings, preserved from when they conquered parts of the Roman Empire, in the lands where the air is dry and written works keep through longer periods of neglect.

The Muslim world was importing its knowledge from Europe. They could threaten Europe only because of European defectors, who sold them things like cannon technology in order to be rich and be able to have things like sex slaves.

>>136517136
Ancient Rome was a TON more productive then china in GDP and real production. Steel production alone was greater in Rome by a factor of 10.

>>136525611

The lead of the west isn't shrinking. It's growing. Western nations are being challenged by Eastern Nations adopting Western culture and technology.

Ironically what is hurting Western nations is the all encompassing domination of it's culture.

Also, Algebra came from persians who dervived it from Greeks who derived it from Babylonians.

>>136516320
Ever heard of the Vimana? Asians had flying machines while chalkies were just fucking sheep in a cave.

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>>136521520
While i wouldn't describe it as a "tome of cliches", i think that the value of the book is overrated a tad. Although it is much less quotable, i found much more value in "sowing the dragon's teeth" which is a translation of 2 Roman military documents written in the 9th and 10th centuries.

>>136526030
retardation, algebra came from india

>>136525705
that's because you're Canadian. Canadians lack basic comprehension ability, and hence fail to judge levels of intelligence.

>>136522930
ah yes, what about the other 99.999% of the country?

are you seriously going to suggest that that vast, vast majority of India was - even if populated - populated by small villages, who controlled essentially nothing?

The Indians and Chinese are perfectly capable of producing great civilisations. I do not believe there is a significant IQ difference between the three groups (including Europeans).

The elephant in the room is the African continent, whose swelling numbers are going to cause the entire planet a headache in the years to come.

I think a lot of intellectuals like Chomsky are ironically relying on the industrial capital of the East to colonise African markets and have its native population toiling in the sun for Chinese financial domination.

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>>136516320
>(((Noam Chomsky)))
>listening to a kike

Fucking kill yourself, OP. They were so advanced that we completely BTFO'd the entire world. We've won some and lost some, this is our time now. Whites have built the greatest civilizations known to man. Fuck the pyramids, fuck ancient China, and fuck the fucking niggerkangz. How anyone can make the claim that Whites aren't unequivocally the champions of earth is beyond my comprehension.

>>136526259
>INDIA WAS JUST TRIBES WHO THOUGHT OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T EXIST DURR
that was enough for me to completely ignore anything you say
they sure as hell weren't britian level of tech when they came but the country had a huge history of various empires and wars you fuckward
take a history class before you talk about it

>>136516589
The anti white Chilean back at it. No Europe did not steal everything you cucked fuck.

>>136525773

Only the Japs at the time understood tje ramifications of globalization and western superiority.

The Turks came to it very late after WW1 when Attaturk (ironically hated by most Muslims) undertook the same plan as the Japs. Chinese had to wait for Deng Xiaoping in the 70's.

Although they all have some weird takes on the West.

The Chinese for instance are obsessed with the notion that Christianity is a key success factor.

>>136525545
>Dunno. Someone like Su Song I guess. Another flaw in Chinese civilization - no one seems to like individuals taking credit for their work.
Yeah, I admit freely enough that there were great Chinese in remote times. But in the past 500 years, I don't think there has been a single Newton or Shakespeare in China.
>>136525611
>It's a bizarre notion that all innovation spilled out of the west, and nothing spilled in. As I said, at the turn of the 16th century the west was a basket case, with Muslim empires at the gates of Seville and Vienna
This is stupid simplification.

The rest of your post reads like pre-prepared cliches about the the Islamic vs medieval worlds.
>Beating back the Muslim invasions at the turn of the 16th century, the Renaissance and Enlightenment etc. were a turning point, and for about a century and a half, the west did grow in power. That began changing at the beginning of the twentieth century and for the last 70 years the lead of the west has been shrinking.
The West has been preeminent in learning since 1600 at least. The West has given the orient 100x what the orient has given the West, including most of what the orient gave the West in the first place.

As for recent achievements see>>136525796
Of course, 90% of modern oriental progress would be impossible without the west.

>>136525620

>At the dawn of modernity, Asia looked about like Europe had a thousand years before.

Pretty much just look at how 1 billion Chinese fared against 10 Britons with a canon.

>>136525796

Yes I note here 1400-1950 are the dates mentioned. As I said before, in 1492 the Muslim empires were in Spain, Muslim armies were at the gates of Vienna in 1529. So the west was not so advanced in 1400.

And obviously, the west's lead has been falling behind since World War II, perhaps even before that.

So looking at all world history - from 8000 BC to 1500, or from 1945 to now, this must be cast out of mind, and all focus must go to when the west was very dominant worldwide, which I'd say was at its height at the end of the 19th century.

>>136525937

It's actually a great example. The fractious and competitive capitalist nature of Europe drove innovations, building endlessly on scientific discoveries. China's relative peace resulted in stagnation.

>>136516511
>Bobby Kennedy.
Comparing this Jew to a GOAT Kennedy

>>136516828
Lmao! You're delusional. Jews were fairly late to the intellectual scene in Europe; in fact the Jewish enlightenment didn't occur until the late 1700s / early 1800s. By that time the goys had already invented analytic geometry, calculus, physics, probability theory, the scientific method, evidence based medicine, hell we were at the dawn of the industrial revolution.

>>136526535
>Yes I note here 1400-1950 are the dates mentioned. As I said before, in 1492 the Muslim empires were in Spain, Muslim armies were at the gates of Vienna in 1529. So the west was not so advanced in 1400.
That doesn't follow.

>>136526239
Study up on it a bit. The ancient Greeks had most of algebra as we know it. Most of the rest, the advanced stuff, was added by early modern Europeans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra#History

Persians added a little salami-slice increment to what was known in the ancient world, basically just restating it in a slightly different form. People have no real argument for the Persian contribution aside from the fact that we use the name "algebra". Indians didn't make a significant contribution to the European understanding of algebra.

You're maybe thinking of our modern numerals, which originate in India and passed through Muslim territory to us.

>>136526730
This, the Muslims where already in sharp decline at this point. This brief resurgence was caused by the Turks who themselves would start a long period of stagnation and decline fallowing the death of Suleiman the magnificent (1566).

>>136526469

Kind of hard to gauge a Shakespeare.

Their scientific advancement peaked way before Newton.

>>136516320
> Explain Japan
Chomsky is a propaganda agent.

"The United States"
>Noam Chomfag school of why things are bad

>>136526535

>Lead

But that's not really true.

What's happened since WW2 is that the West now completely dominates the entire globe.

Chinese culture isn't retaking ground from Western Culture- the Chinese are simply becoming Western at greater rates.

The horse, the wheel and axle, the silk road, was brought to China by white men.

>>136522843
its literally the country equivalent of the "fuck you dad" phase

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>tfw too superior to not get BTFO by the west

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>>136526184
WHITEY BTFO! Traveling with his own two legs while we wuz navigating the skies!

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>>136526432
I would personally double check everything you claim to have invented, because you probably stole the credit for it like an 18th century Bill gates.

>>136516320

He's got it all mixed up, the middle east and europe have always been on top in terms of cultural significance and power. Poos stole all their technology from persia and the levant. The middle east could've dominated the 2nd millenium but they got cucked by islam and over-arabization.

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>>136530015
>Muslim Golden age of conquering Persians and Anatolians
>Chinese and all of Asia cut themselves off from all of civilization for centuries
>What is meiji restoration
>What is the (literal) Indo European Indians
>All of this is always ignored by you just to counter signal the Mediterranean
Why? What do you gain out of such blatantly false presentations of history

>>136530015
you are a champ at this

>>136516320
>especially coming from one of the most respected men in academics.

He's not. He hasn't been relevant in his academic discipline for decades.

He's a /leftypol/ redditor with a larger platform.

>>136516320
The Chinese are the oldest continual civilization on Earth. I'm proud of my European heritage, but I also recognize the Chinese were doing wonders in science, especially in navigation and naval expedition, long before Europeans did. Eventually, the Chinese got arrogant and bored and went to sleep, while the Europeans took the knowledge gained from the East and Middle East and basically ran with it. It's not so much that Europeans weren't inventing anything, it's just that they were too busy trying to survive harsher climates and megafauna while everyone else was creating basic algebra and engineering. Once we got a hold of it, the knowledge of all sciences took off exponentially. We also took the arts and built upon it so much better than any other civ did.

>>136516320
>literal gommie
>talking economics
op wyd

>>136516320
If Chinese and Indians are so superior, how did they get colonized by Western powers?

>unironically watching some kike talk in circles and come up with fuck nothing at the end

kys jew op

>>136519186
I know.
He was making the valid point from the Colonialists own books.

>E.G re: Dhaka, Lahore, Delhi, Agra, Calcutta

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>>136530015
>> your flag

>>136523427
>They educated them enough so they could be useful.
Hurrr sounds like every education system ever

The - Chinese did not lose their advances in "Sciences, Technology, Innovations, Industry, Weaponry, Literature, Poetry, Inventions, Philosophies, folk-religions," etc. Because of Western-Imperialism. The English, French, etc. We're only able to subdue the Chinese because they had closed their empire off from the rest of the world for over 400 years. After the 14 and 1500s following the great period of Modern-Chinese Maritime-Trade in the 14th and 15th centuries that reached its zenith under the Chinese - Admiral "Zheng-He," during the "Ming - Dynasty," (1368-1644). But after China's closed it's borders in the late 14 and early 1500s Chinese society began to drastically decline and it was no-longer a society that was vastly wealthier and powerful than Greece or Rome but now a dying state. The Chinese did of course invent gun - powder and fire - arms (guns), around the 1100s maybe as early as 900 A.D., and the Mongols after invading and conquering China and setting up the Yuan - Dynasty in China adopted the technology for their own needs.

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>>136531438
Marichiweu.

The Mongols spread gun - powder and fire - arms technology to the West and Islamic-World during their conquests of Eurasia. This is why the Ottomans used Cannons to destroy the city of Constantinople walls and the Byzantine-Army, why the Ottoman-Empire also used Cannons to conquer western-iraq from the Iranians, this is why the Russians were able to spread out across the frozen-tundras of Siberia starting under the reign of the Russians Tsar Ivan IV the Terrible, against the nomadic - tribes that lived there, it is why the Mughal-Empire expanded and conquered rival Hindu and Muslim Kingdoms examples being the Hindu-Rajput Kingdoms of Northern - India and the Islamic Dolhi-Sultanate which were both defeated by the Mughals. And why the Mughal-Empire under their emperors, "Babur, Akbar the Great, and Shah-Jahan," were able to conquer with cannons and rifles the neighboring rival Islamic and Hindu-States. It is why the English, French, Spanish, and Dutch conquered the Native - Americans between the 1500s and the 1800s a period of over 300 years. But as the Western - Europeans I.e. "(Spanish, French, English, Portuguese, Turkish, Dutch)," etc. Continued to modernize their army the Chinese stuck to their own ways and thus were easier to take advantage of. And as a result 4,000 years of Chinese-Innovation, Empire-Building, and Military-Power, came to an end. And now the "British, French, Russians, Germans and Japanese," could begin to Carve up Chinese-Territory in the late 19th-Century.
It was the Chinese fault that they fell behind. And it's good on the Chinese today that they are innovating and becoming powerful once again.

>believing that Europe went backwards, and then a miracle happened and suddenly they had science and modernity out of some culture lottery. Europe threw things out that weren't working.

That's an accurate description of most European history. Before the 1500s, there was nothing really special about Europe, it was on par with any civilization here. Something odd did happen in Western Europe, it was the discovery of the New World, changing marriage pattern, the rise of capitalism which led to the renaissance.

>>136526469
>including most of what the orient gave the West in the first place.

That's because Europeans got lucky with the positive feedback loop they had. Stop this little ego trip, European success ironically came from the things invented in China.

>>136516320
rule of thumb for chomsky:
anything about languages, based AF
anything about politics, batshit crazy
source: my compilers professor at uni

>>136533284
>European success ironically came from the things invented in China.
>The Greeks and Romans had little idea what China even was

Uighur please

>>136533044
>Before the 1500s, there was nothing really special about Europe,

Apart from magnificent cathedrals, frescos, the troubadours, the poetry of Dante and Petrarch and Chaucer, polyphonic music, scholastic philosophy...

>>136530937
>while everyone else was creating basic algebra

Algebra was known to the Greeks, e.g. the Pythagorean Theorem

There were many Western-Europe an and other Westenr-Sinophiles, "Arthur-Schopenhauer, Voltaire, Nietzsche, Fredrick the Great, Catherine the Great, Ottoman-Sultan Abdul-Aziz, Maria Thresea, Mustafa Ataturk, Leo-Tolstoy, Benjamin-Franklin, Mark-Twain," etc. And Arthur-Schopenhauer even said after China's disastrous defeat in the Opium War against the English in 1842. 'That though China weighs low now it will become the giant one day once again that might be 150, 200 or 500 years but it will happen, and perhaps China will once again I've take the West as it had done before.' I think we're seeing an era of Chinese Secular and Economic Reform which made it a Modern-Chinese superpower. It will continue it reminds me of the "Meiji Restoration in Japan (1868-1912), the Russian-Reforms of Tsar Alexander II (1861-1881), and the Ottoman-Reforms of the Tenzimat (1832-1876).
China will become a super - Power once again and just like some guy said earlier adopt tactics very wisely from the Modern-West. Including Eugenics. Black Pigeon Cuck for once has a good video on something and it's about the Chinese starting Eugenics - policies to improve the average IQ of a country that's already something like 105.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrXHsg_d1Hw

>>136533284
>have everything europe has
>europe is only better because they have it
lol

>>136527926

The wheel was invented in Mesopotamia.

In conclusion,
On my point of Chinese Rise, Fall and then Rise again.

Noam Chomsky is retarded!!!!!
And once again has proven he has no idea what he's talking about.

>>136533822
>That though China weighs low now it will become the giant one day once again that might be 150, 200 or 500 years but it will happen, and perhaps China will once again I've take the West as it had done before.' I think we're seeing an era of Chinese Secular and Economic Reform which made it a Modern-Chinese superpower. It will continue it reminds me of the "Meiji Restoration in Japan (1868-1912), the Russian-Reforms of Tsar Alexander II (1861-1881), and the Ottoman-Reforms of the Tenzimat (1832-1876).
>China will become a super - Power once again and just like some guy said earlier adopt tactics very wisely from the Modern-West.
This is what we need to avert. Chinese superiority would be a disaster

>>136533713
>Apart from magnificent cathedrals, frescos, the troubadours, the poetry of Dante and Petrarch and Chaucer, polyphonic music, scholastic philosophy...

All of which are just as or less impressive then whatever other civilization was offering at the time. And even far less impressive compared to what would come later which is why nobody mentions those things except for what happens in the Renaissance.

>>136533817
lol, if that counts as discovering Algerba that I guess Kerala discovered Calculus first.

>>136534355
>All of which are just as or less impressive then whatever other civilization was offering at the tim
>The orient had a poet superior to dante
my sides senpai

>>136534355
>All of which are just as or less impressive then whatever other civilization was offering at the time

Which was...?

> why nobody mentions those things except for what happens in the Renaissance.

The things I listed are very well known to educated people. Haven't you ever read Dante, for example?

>if that counts as discovering Algerba that I guess Kerala discovered Calculus first.

You can't even spell algebra, let alone bring yourself to admit it was invented in Europe. The greatest failure of Western civilization was to bring the scum of Asia to our shores to hoot and jeer at us like monkeys.

>>136533838
Yes, which is why its so less impressive then you think it is. Because the same thing would have happened regardless of who discovered it first thanks to the positive feedback loop.

Also, why are you acting like all of Europe is part of it. Eastern European never underwent the same genetic/cultural changes that Western Europe changes, which is why all these things happened in UK, France, Italy and Germany.

>>136534650
Correction: The Orient and the Persians had better poets.

>>136534693
>Yes, which is why its so less impressive then you think it is. Because the same thing would have happened regardless of who discovered it first thanks to the positive feedback loop.
Then why was there a concurrent flourishing of the arts?
>Also, why are you acting like all of Europe is part of it.
I said the West.

>>136534963

Honest question: why are you even in the West at all? Why not go back to your ancestral country, if you consider it superior?

>>136534682
>You can't even spell algebra, let alone bring yourself to admit it was invented in Europe.

Because it wasn't invented in Europe, and you have to be a fucking idiot thinking Greeks knowing the Pythagorean theorem means the same thing as discovering algebra. If that's what counts as invented algebra, then I guess calculus wasn't invented in Europe because a bunch of Indian mathematicians understood the principles of calculus first.

>>136520013
He is right about the Beatles and Ravi Shankar, anon. Shankar was trained in the traditional Indian style and became a primary influence on Paul McCartney. You can't say the Beatles, and therefore their primary influences and all the history that led up to that, are irrelevant.

It's one small facet but it's at the top of a pyramid of balancing and influencing and transmitting knowledge over thousands of years. The odds are slim to none that you or anyone you know will be able to say you contributed to something as significant as the Beatles.

>>136519043
If you actually listened, you'd see that he condemned the Khmer Rouge multiple times in the past several decades.

>>136534963
>Correction: The Orient and the Persians had better poets.
Oh, lord. And let me guess, they also had better musicians than Vivaldi?

>>136519648
>millionaire
Source? Even if he is rich, that's not unusual given that he's fucking 90 years old and has been working for 65 years.

>>136534682
>The greatest failure of Western civilization was to bring the scum of Asia to our shores to hoot and jeer at us like monkeys.

Not hard to jeer at a faggot nordic crying that I'm not buying into his "WE WUZ EVERYTHING"

>>136535494
>Shankar was trained in the traditional Indian style and became a primary influence on Paul McCartney. You can't say the Beatles, and therefore their primary influences and all the history that led up to that, are irrelevant.
You're talking about a small aspect of culture, pop culture no less.
>
It's one small facet but it's at the top of a pyramid of balancing and influencing and transmitting knowledge over thousands of years. The odds are slim to none that you or anyone you know will be able to say you contributed to something as significant as the Beatles.
kek

>>136535423
>If that's what counts as invented algebra,

It is algebra, you dumb Asian fuck, you just can't bring yourself to admit it.

>then I guess calculus wasn't invented in Europe

You suck at logic as well. "If you say a true thing I don't like, I'll just say an untrue thing you don't like! So there!"

>>136535548
Uh no, because Vivaldi came after the 1500s, which is the true exceptional part of Europe and the only part people REALLY care about.

>>136535729
>Not hard to jeer at a faggot nordic crying that I'm not buying into his "WE WUZ EVERYTHING"

1) I'm not "Nordic" and 2) I'm not saying we invented everything, only that we invented most things -- which is still true no matter how much it makes you stamp your little brown feet in frustration

>>136535548
They can listen to a quarter tone, we westerns only can hear half a tone, they also hear an extra note than we can't neurologically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n6n45bHUyM

>>136535928
>Uh no, because Vivaldi came after the 1500s, which is the true exceptional part of Europe and the only part people REALLY care about.
True, no one cares about Dante or Michelangelo. How did you get past the captcha, by the way?

>>136534355
>polyphonic music
led to
>music theory and modern musical notation
led to
>inventing the harpsichord/fortepiano/piano
led to
>developing tunings and temperaments
led to
>the development of equal temperament
which is now how every single musician the world over (outside of historical chamber ensembles) tunes their music. The West is the best, get over it.

>>136535860
>It is algebra, you dumb Asian fuck, you just can't bring yourself to admit it.

No it isn't fucktard, and there is a reason people tend to credit algebra to a muslim, and why algebra derives from a arabic word. Because it was them who actually founded algebria and recognized the differences between it and arithmetic and geometry. After all, even Ancient Egyptians understood the Pythagorean therom and did algebra. They didn't discover it.

Fucking retard. Jesus christ.

I also ain't Asian, just a non-white Spaniard.

>>136536016
You're saying that greeks invented algebra you stupid faggot. If that's not "WE WUZ" I don't know what is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_algebra

>>136517946
>tfw 2 digit iq chilean monkey tries to argue

>>136523599
>China was superior very recently
flag checks out

>>136536642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhqm5nCrFSs

>>136516320
Yes they are.
Their economic culture of disposable human life is definetly way more efficient than ours.

>>136536436
>Rhetorical algebra, in which equations are written in full sentences. For example, the rhetorical form of x + 1 = 2 is "The thing plus one equals two" or possibly "The thing plus 1 equals 2". Rhetorical algebra was first developed by the ancient Babylonians and remained dominant up to the 16th century.
>Syncopated algebra, in which some symbolism is used, but which does not contain all of the characteristics of symbolic algebra. For instance, there may be a restriction that subtraction may be used only once within one side of an equation, which is not the case with symbolic algebra. Syncopated algebraic expression first appeared in Diophantus' Arithmetica (3rd century AD), followed by Brahmagupta's Brahma Sphuta Siddhanta (7th century).
>Symbolic algebra, in which full symbolism is used. Early steps toward this can be seen in the work of several Islamic mathematicians such as Ibn al-Banna (13th-14th centuries) and al-Qalasadi (15th century), although fully symbolic algebra was developed by François Viète (16th century). Later, René Descartes (17th century) introduced the modern notation (for example, the use of x—see below) and showed that the problems occurring in geometry can be expressed and solved in terms of algebra (Cartesian geometry

Chomsky needs to just start writing for someone else because he is impossible to listen to for very long.

>>136516984
So it's a shit hole either way.
What value does it allhave if you can't preserve it ? None.

Isn't this the guy that defended the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot killing a third of the population of Cambodia

>>136516320
Red pill incoming:

If the Chinese invented everything, why didn't they rule the world instead of Europe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEbW23Zx6P4

>>136538235
>Why aren't engineers dying in the first row of every army.

>>136516320
You wouldn't happen to have a link, or perhaps know the name of the lecture. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'd like to hear it for myself, in context. Think what you want about Chomsky, but he gets misquoted and taken out of context a lot

>>136539718
I distrust anyone who takes a defensive tone when discussing Chomsky, but here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4GHrT_hhmg

>>136516320
We didn't steal anything from them. This man is a liar. They held themselves back because of their class systems and shortsighted leadership. That was all on them not us. This man is a traitor trying to sell white guilt to idiots who tell themselves they are smart.

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>>136516320
China was certainly taken advantage of by a number of European countries, but this was due largely to their poor military performance, which resulted from a lack of technological enterprise and a manufactured addition to opium by the British.

The Indians, on the other hand, actually thrived very well under colonialism (as did Hong Kong, which was the only part of China to have had become a British colony). The influence of colonialism helped develop infrastructure that, when the British left, remained and was used by the people in those regions. To date, I believe that only African / black colonies have failed to uphold and build on the infrastructure provided by the Brits. Can anyone else confirm or correct this this last point?

>>136518932
Best post in weeks

>>136517874
>muh scarce resources
when will this meme end

>>136516320
China had the majority of the ancient global population. Europeans discovered civilization, it is the best of all.

>>136516320
The Chinaman and the Indiaman will ALWAYS be low test beta provider providers, even their own women don't want them.

>>136517874
>But by the time we got to them they had essentially stagnated for about 2000 years, and still hadnt even thought about the possibility of toilets.
And India still hasn't

has this guy ever lived in asia and truly experienced the culture?

filial piety is a shit system at odds with the scientific method, so no. seems like just another bleeding heart who will never criticize those who claim victim/oppressed status. the reason asian academia is so shit is because they are still far too concerned with who says an idea rather than the idea itself.

>>136540936
I didn't hear anything remotely controversial there. He's talking about China and India being more advanced in textile manufacturing and shipbuilding in the 1600's. He then goes on to talk about power shifting from one region to another over time, and that at some point in the future it may find it's way back to China. What exactly is "batshit insanity" in that clip?

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It's interesting to consider what would have happened if China remained in a bubble with no contact with the west, say another reality with no Europe. China 2017 would probably look like this.

>>136516320
Indians shit in their holy river because whitey makes them

>>136525461
Wut? They fucking crippled the largest nation in the world with opium and pirate ships.

>>136519478
>And nothing in his tome of cliches tops the great military commanders of the West.
that's nice but it's mandatory reading at Point West and beyond that the lessons are appied to other aread of life. It's also required reading at Wharton business school(best business school in the world) and Trump suggests it as well. It's one of the most influential works in history. Don't know how you can deny that.

>>136542945
>I didn't hear anything remotely controversial there. He's talking about China and India being more advanced in textile manufacturing and shipbuilding in the 1600's.
No, those were just examples of their superiority. His statement was that they were the world's foremost commerical and industrial centers
>.He then goes on to talk about power shifting from one region to another over time
He also suggests that China's present predicament is a result of le ebil colonialism.

>>136543917
The Opium war was the original act of making a cuck of a nation. The British drug pushers not made junkies of an entire nation, but went to war when the Chinese resisted the flow of smack and forced the losing China to pick up the tab for the destroyed drugs.

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>>136516320
douchebag marxis professor at MIT

>>136517682
Whites are "better," yet their countries are being taken over. American children are already mostly nonwhite.

Really makes you think.

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>>136516320
>Did we "steal" the technology of the glorious eastern kangz, or is he losing it?

I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's saying war with colonial powers was too costly for them, and they're still recovering.

>>136544942

He's an anarchosyndicalist. Not a marxist.

>>136545225
Now you know why the Nips call you a filthy gaijin behind your back after a day of teaching English.

>>136517946
Literally the basis of the Western World.

>>136544708
>No, those were just examples of their superiority. His statement was that they were the world's foremost commercial and industrial centers
In the 1600's they were
>He also suggests that China's present predicament is a result of le ebil colonialism
It would be hard to argue that colonialism had nothing to do with power shifting away from China and India. I'm still wondering what he said that is "batshit insanity"

>>136516589

fpgp

china also had a bad emperor that killed all smart ppl and destroyed all books to hold onto power

>>136545225
not by force , only by breeding. if whites wanted to they could of taken the whole world by force. now they are just being passive and being out bred. if you think about it .. it just shows how inferior the other races really are. what is happening is everyone is just sitting around doing nothing but having sex and sex is the only way they can take over.

>>136546129
>In the 1600's they were
Really? India had better industry than all of Europe?
>It would be hard to argue that colonialism had nothing to do with
Then it's a good thing that no one argued that. Again, his suggestion that China has been "recovering" from colonialism all this time, and that the atrocities of Mao and others were necessarily a part of that is batshit crazy.

>>136547092
I don't think he's saying (or suggesting) that China has been recovering from colonialism this entire time. He's saying that colonialism led to power shifting away from them.
I think you're looking for a reason for this to be batshit crazy based on who is doing the talking

Chin India have millions of high iq & don't miscegenate. They'll reseed Europe through mother Russia brics baby

>>136516320
China was legitimately a pretty great ancient civilization. The problem is they had a ton of civil wars and that inevitably ended up with China having a gaping weakness that WAS taken advantage of by western imperialists such as the UK.

A reason for this is that "China" doesn't really exist. Chinese people used to never see themselves as "Chinese" before the West gave China that name, they instead saw themselves as belonging to their respective regions and small kingdoms within the territory we see as China.

>>136545335
>anarchosyndicalist
so a communist
lmao get fucked

>>136548320
Not everyone is out to slander your God Chomsky.

In the first place, it's a little bit crazy to say that Europeans "stole" technology from the orient. And it still seems to me that he's implying China was somehow on its way to becoming a world power before those colonial villains retarded their progress. And I just don't see how someone who screamed at the top of his lungs about Vietnam and Trump can coolly discuss the "benefits" of china's modernization as well as its dangers.

>>136543758
underrated

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>>136516320
Standard leftist oikophobic narrative construction. He's a rhetorical demoralizer, that's his skillset as a subversive: he teaches gullible idiots to see history as one long list of white crimes against humanity to suppress and exploit superior virtuous non-whites.

www.paulbogdanor.com/chomskyhoax.html

https://youtu.be/aR4MvD9IEAE

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>>136549452
>implying China was somehow on its way to becoming a world power
lol no asian power was hegemonic on a world scale, or even a regional scale -- they were all essentially stagnant for thousands of years

>>136524859
>real dissident
>prominent post at top university for decades
nigga you trippin

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>>136516320

>>136516589
>He's exagerating but asia was incredible advanced way before the west.
Compare Gutenberg and the Chinese printing press if it can be called that.

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>>136552304
Compare the latin alphabet to any of the chinese ones.

>>136525461
You mean started trading with agreeable Kingdoms and Principalities before entering into defensive and Military alliances to maintain and expand their income until they subsume the role of the government as literally every aspect of society gets assimilated due to weak leadership?

>>136516320
its true tho

only reason u guys got away because we are peaceful people and want to avoid conflict at any costs

>>136525611
>16th century the west was a basket case, with Muslim empires at the gates of Seville and Vienna. The west was importing its knowledge from the Muslim world - like algebra (an anglicization of the original Arabic word for it - جبر ).
Mate the 'Golden age' of Islam (conquest and regulation of the great learning centers of the world was way before the 16th Century. It was the 16th Century that cracks in the Muslim world appeared and was filled by the Ottomans desire for Hedonism, slaves and conquest.

>>136553061
lmao

>>136533044
Ffs people need to stop with these bullshit rationalization and excuses. Whites needn't Admit inferiority to anyone. Capitalism is not some magic system. Seriously, most of the world operated under a "free market" system for most of history, and yet only Europeans have the nations they do today.


The Aryans invented the wheel and domesticated the horse, what are the Greeks, the Romans? We are not a fluke

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>>136531438
Get off my patagonia you fucking leech indio niggers REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>136516320
>most respected men in academics.

mostly by communists and idiots.

>>136516320
Yeah.. they're coming back from western influence by having market economies, western style institutions governments and societal models

>>136516320
One of the most respected (((communists))) in (((academia))) you mean

>>136516320
What does this guy do apart from pass on old news reports, basic understandings and generally talk about geopolitics?
Everything he had to offer is now just general knowledge.
His assesment (as well as that of Naomi Klein, oh look another Jew) of the Trump admin deflects from the genuine establishment.

He talks about the methods by which an establishment holds power but fails to then apply that to those that are the establishment, the Cosmopolitans, NGOs, The UN, Pope Francis, "the deepstate" etc. He adds to the establishent narrative that white people are to blame and once you get rid of them or representations and representatives of them then everything will be great. The corporate-edutainment complex.

>>136531106
>If the roman empire was so superior, how did they get destroyed by a bunch of barbarians?

>>136557398
True tbqh

I don't really care about the opinion of a guy who can't even speak. Mumbling boring mother fucker.

>>136516320
he lost me when he started shilling the 9/11 official story.

>>136517478
> the west didn't really advanced until the industrial revolution
... We colonised the world BEFORE the industrial revolution.
>>136526366
Exactly. This is the WE WUZ bullshit that CONSTANTLY fails to consider the social structure.

>>136560914
This. He said it didnt matter who did 9/11 which is a reasonable point but then he gets aggressive when people question the official story

how come faggots like this guy always just dont mention the mongolians?

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> Hey, bro! what is the shittest staircase you can imagine that wastes time and resources?
>>136530015
> Niiiiice. Lets go chop down all of the islands trees to roll giant stone heads into place.

You are focusing on grandiosity instead of viability. Don't fall into the trap of judging by these arbitrary symbols of greatness.

>>136516320
>one of the most respected men in academia
Among leftists. Everyone else knows he is a crackpot old fool and a zionist shill.

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>>136516320
Of course he's wrong, and for a fucking obvious reason. If the Chinese and Indian cultures were superior to European ones then they wouldn't have been fucking conquered by them. For a long time they were "superior", but then starting about 500 years ago europe shot beyond and outpaced them and eventually conquered them. To pretend european cultures wetent superior during this period odds at best wishful thinking and at worst subversive. As to why he would say something so foolish/subversive, well we all knpw why.

>>136557868
because the barbarbians were goths? easy a for stupid q.

>>136564045
>barbarians
fucking hell

>>136516320
Just remember you live in a country with no history or culture while the history of China and India is thousands of years old

>>136516961
only like 1/25th of India looks like that

>>136562724
Nice manhole cover. Japan wins again.

>>136564316
this
Americans are subhuman

The only real American culture was the Confederacy

>>136564860
At least we're not a bunch of inbred fucks with shitty teeth who hide behind Shakespeare.

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>>136564805
Exactly. It is the ability to create viability through the utilization of understandings and technology and make that your own through vernacular involvement in it's implementation. Thanks for the (You).

>>136517949
Lmao Laozi was a shit head.
The only reason people even care about him is that he wasn't as suppressed by commies as Kongzi.
In terms of raw population, yes he might have the edge over Aristotle. But that is literally only because China is overpopulated.
All of modern science and technology is owed to Aristotle, so in reality he was a far more inferential philosopher.

>>136565409
Aristotle even invented what we'd consider philosophy of mind. Still relevant if you wish to understand the mind - I was reading a collected anthology of A.I and brain science, Neurocomputing (MIT Press) and the first thing in it was Aristotle. A founder of AI and inventor of neural networks, Minsky, called Aristotle one of his main inspirations.

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>>136553055

>>136516320

>far superior to the West in economic culture and technology.

This is a trillion percent false. You know this...right anon?

This statement is a fucking joke. Unless I'm unaware of a specific context he is making this observation in, it is absolutely a lie. An antagonism, Its a sound bite or a headline from a man who has made a career of shameless self promotion and mediocre ideas.

I'm not going to go through the process of deconstructing his statement. If you don't outright reject it for the nonsense it is then you're too stupid to have it explained away.

>>136525773
Yes the chinks froze in time, due to their extreme absolutist rule. Europe was similar in the earlier middle ages. But countries like England accelerated rapidly after black death. When there was very little peasants, they could make demands, improve their social status and generally moved towards more free society. this led to people opening businesses and improving economy and technology as well.

Russian tzar Peter the great visited England and Netherlands in the early 18th century, and when he saw the wealth, he said he wants that in his country and started some marginal reforms. But he was also hardcore absolutist and didnt want to give people any freedoms, so nothing improved.

Generally when people arent fucked over by the state and are allowed to work for their own benefit, the country advanced gradually. In absolutist regimes, the country stagnates to the point that situation is unsustainable, and suddenly either one englightened ruler comes to power and overturns everything quickly (Peter the great in Russia or Meiji Restoration) or the old regime wants to keep status quo indefinitely and they are just overthrown (russian or chinese commie revolutions). Of course such great leaps forward often cost many lives and the results are often shittier than with gradual progress

>>136516589
stfu u fucking cunt, your country is full of niggers now :(

>>136517478

Jesus that statement is so fucking wrong

>>136518346

4chan its self is western culture. World music is western, world sports are western, most tv and film is western. even curry, pride of india was heavily influenced by the British.


People act like the west have no culture because western culture is all they know.

>>10898839
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I want to see this Jew bitch cry when the Chinese kill his precious ice caps

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How the fuck can he think that western imperialism is the reason Indian people still shit in the streets? Do any other countries that experienced western imperialism have designated poo streets? I don't think so.

Do any other countries cremate their dead, shit in and bath in & let dead bodies fester and bloat all in the same water?

This guys cooked

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It was China's fault for closing all borders and not having explored the world like we did (to be fair they did make an attempt, but never to be reiterated.)

Colonization of India is a modern development (18th century at the earliest). China was never really colonized. Europeans sure have been perfidious during the Opium Wars, but it doesn't explain the chronic failure of China to have a stable, modern state (do you know how many Chinese died in civil wars just for the 19th century alone ?)

The technology that China and India are using today is entirely Western (invented by white people, then copied by Asians). In today's world, modernizing means in fact westernizing. What's originally Asian about Science and Industry ? I think it's more of Whitey's invention, Noam !

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