alright /Pol/ try come up with an ACTUAL critisism of Anarcho-Capitalism.

>>136455209
Ur property is mine

Can you explain how an anarcho-capitalist society would function? Like thats a genuine question

The US is the prime example of the failure of amarcho capitalism. It was tried here for 150 years and finally had to be stopped with antitrust and emvironmental protection regulations.

>>136455209
its literally not anarchism?
there are zero anarchist theorists who were capitalist
some good names to check
Mikhail Bakunin
Peter Kropotkin
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

also Max Stirner not honestly an anarchist but he killed the "muh property right" "muh NAP" stuff before it was even spawned

>>136455716
But USA was basically the best country for those 150 years?

What is stopping lower class people in an AnCap society from forming a group committed to their common defense, which eventually starts collecting taxes and such for the groups benefit and turns into a state, then that state takes over all the "warlords" and it becomes just like before?

>>136455596
Removal of the state In favor of Voluntary were you are free to do any you wish as long as it doesn't use force against another(except for Self defense). Due to this freedom, Companies will provide services under the free market

>>136455767
This.
The libertarian right is the future.

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>>136455767
>there are zero anarchist theorists who were capitalist
keep holding onto that myth

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>>136455209
How did the Wild West turn out?

>>136455840
what if I decide to use my freedom to form a state and subjugate others?

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>>136455863
remember hearing this when bitcoin was a dollar?
I do

>>136455877
>literally who?

>>136455863
no

>>136455813
Alright forming a state violates the NAP as states are inherently NAP breaking. One of two things will happen; At best you will be ostrisised from society, At worst you'll get lynched by millitas and Private millitary

>>136455922
more civilized than today
you could actually have a "no coloreds" policy

>>136455922
Good?

>>136456013
what if you buy the best private militaries and hire militias to defend the state you're forming?

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>>136455992
>who?
lmao as you list Bakunin Kropotkin Proudhon
literally whos outside of your little bubble m8

>>136456013
>"muh NAP"
literall dosent exist in realit and in anarchist thought its just a spook

>>136455840
how would u get rid of the state without violating "muh NAP"?

>>136456124
then tell me who he is then so i can read some works he put out?

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>>136455922
Perfectly fine?

>>136455800
If we forget the trusts that were formed to rig prices, the wholesale dumping of industrial waste in rivers, etc.

>>136456230
they did nothing wrong.

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>>136456181
>how would u get rid of the state without violating "muh NAP"?

>>136455551
This.

By what authority do you claim this property? You stole it from me and I will kill you to take it back.

>Queen owns all of England, her property her rights in some ways.
>Land ownership is either subjective which makes things complicated, or based on who can hold it which means we are already in anarchy
>Inconsistency in how the law would be controlled. Might be Legal to kill a baby a day before being born in Cuckicorp, while "abortion" is illegal in Natcorp.

This is why its just better to have a constitutional republic made off very small income tax or just import tax.

>>136455209
China is ancap

>>136456332
not a response killing people i guess?
heres a more interesting thought
>AN-CAPs get their utopia and gov is abolished
>group of AN-COMs immediatl start seizing propert cuz no police force is in affect
>inB4 private police
im talking immediate after the revolt
so tell me how would u stop it from becoming catalonia-aragon in a few hours max?

>>136456461
More like natsoc. Very corrupt natsoc.

>>136455209

NAP is nonsense that doesn't actually do any useful work.
>this land belongs to me because my daddy and grandaddy worked it and left it to me, so git off of it afore I shoot you!
>this land belongs to the people because ownership of land is a fantasy, so get off it before we arrest you!
>WAAAA MUH NAP!

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>>136455209
>anarchic ideology

>>136455596
Somalia

>>136455209
what about minimum wage?
what about monopolies?
what about National Defense?
what's to stop slave labor?
what is pedophilia?

>>136456842
this

>>136455209
new states would pop up in like months if not weeks

How would you build a unified, motivated, and well-equipped military against an invading force? Do you expect all of the private military companies to suddenly unify in times of crisis? Who will fund national defense? An invading force doesn't care if it is destroying property of those who fund those efficient private military. If an invading force attempts to carpet bomb an entire city, won't those who pay for the private military to defend the city essentially subsidize those who choose not to pay?

>>136456906
>>136456842
Somalia is a bunch of warring governments

>>136456815
this

>>136455209
the ideology that u promote didnt exist till the internet and has literally no theory and practice behind it
its just a full of a bunch of spooks like "muh NAP" and "muh property rights"

>>136456846
>minimum wage?
cancer
>monopolies
if you make a product that stomps out everything else by legitimate competition you should be rewarded not punished.
>national defense
wouldn't need any supposedly as you'd be able to have your own nukes
>slave labor
theres nothing to stop this because the laws would be all over the place. "subjective" or "controversial" laws like these are why ancap would fall apart imo

>>136456966

So THAT'S bad, but a country with no state that's torn apart by civil and private conflict, that would be a-okay?

>>136456966
which is the inevitable outcome of ancap
>hurr durr real ancap hasn't been tried
where have I heard this one before..........

>>136456966
answer the question here......
>>136456576
so?

>>136456013
but what if they just do that
what if they just step right over your NAP
what if most people agree and support not abiding by the NAP
most people don't have autism

>>136456966
what is the mafia?
governments, of sorts, would form in the AnCap worlds. alliances warring against other alliances.

>>136455209
First you have to show is an advanced civilization that didn't have a state

>>136456946
Imagine you turn the ancap button on. Normal people (who aren't excited about sex slave and drug fantasies) are going to be scrambling for a central authority to protect themselves and their families.

>>136455209
People are too lazy and dependant on the state to transition to a truly free society. Ancapism assumes that people are rational, moral and also thorough in their application of rationale and morality.

People are fucking sheep, ancapism is an unrealistic pipe dream, much like communism

>>136455209

>MUH NATIONAL CULTURE

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>>136457029
as if natural resources would be shared.
what is communism?

>>136456846
Preface: Violates the NAP means, A private security firm has the right to arrest you and send you off to forced labor camp(private prision)
what about minimum wage?
Not paying someone for a service means it is not voluntary
what about monopolies?
Unnatural monopolies are only achieved through coercion, and guess what coercion; A violation of the NAP.
what about National Defense?
Private millitary organisations. Since they only act in self defense they have all that time for training. Since theres no Taxes they are cheap and efficient as hell. Since War is expensive private millitary has little reason to go to war
what's to stop slave labor?
Violates the NAP
what is pedophilia?
Violates the NAP. Children can't consent

I think the problem most have is due to the inherently globalistic nature of Lassiez-Faire economics (free labour markets and all). But then again the Fascists and NS can create their own psuedo-states in AnCap society based on freedom of accociation. So as a fashy - I have no problem with AnCaps really - I believe that we can engineer the perfect libertarian society through centralized rulership, instilling morality and tradition back into a nation as well as mandatory eugenics - then we can roll back restriction on society. I know this model of mine is heavily idealistic - and makes millions of assumptions but the truth is, I'm struggling not strawman in defense. However:
>>136456846
>what about minimum wage?
Inherently bad idea for the economy as this kills small businesses and ruins competition:
>what about monopolies?
thus making the economic conditions for monopolies (obviously its not the only one condition for monolopies to be able to fester)
however in AnCap society such monopolies would struggle to form - and if they did they would be economically necessary in situations were only a specific group of people could provide such a good or service etc.
>what about National Defense?
Private Security.
>what's to stop slave labor?
Private Security - unless voluntary slave labour lul
>what is pedophilia?
Whis is the big problem however - there is truth to the "what if the child consents" meme.

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>>136457332
u assume the "NAP" would be actually enforce itself and people would actually uphold it
how can u guarantee it is?
do u not understand "muh NAP" and "muh property rights" are spooks of the mind?

>>136457061
Ancap actually hasn't been tried.

How did natsoc go for you buddy

>>136457029
And what stops monopolies from buying armies and taking over
>muh NAP
Because laws stop people
>Buy your own nukes
Because we want anyone to have those

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>>136457332
>Unnatural monopolies are only achieved through coercion, and guess what coercion; A violation of the NAP.
without government whose to uphold these AnCap
it sounds like AnCap needs laws, sounds to contradict a core principle of AnCap.

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>>136457548
>>136457061
From Vox Day:

>>136457332
alright so all the security companies in the area collude and shake down the companies for tribute. what prevents this?

>>136457629
> so all the security companies in the area collude and shake down the companies for tribute. what prevents this?
>what is strawman

>>136455209
Culture?
What about people who seek leadership?
What about Niggers?
Why should A care for Bs freedom?

>>136457499
>private security
Russia, China North Korea,
not to mention the spic and coon gangs
give AnCap a test run in Chicago

>>136457629
Not that this will fucking happen. People in Ancap have access to anything under a Weapon of mass destruction. You are fully justified to use any of these in self defense

>>136455934
the magical hand will prevent it because all people always act in perfect self interest and knowledge and are immune to deception

>>136455209
>hurr durr REAL capitalism hasn't been tried
Where have I head this argument before? Truth is that the free market is going to put a few people and corporations on top, and they are going to use their power to ensure that they remain on top. If there isn't a government they'll make one. If the markets aren't free they'll make them unfree.

>>136456400
I bought my house from its previous owner and youre on the other side of the fucking planet

fuck off

>>136457714
>Authentic image of innocent angel job creators saviors of humanity being exterminated at the hands of ebil violent weak statist libtard AN-SNs catalonia-aragon spain 1936

>>136455209
"Say what you want about degeneracy but at least it generates something."

-Japan-anon 2017

>>136457805
Yes and businessmen are going to fight mercenaries instead of paying tribute.

>>136457805
>>136457922
answer the questions i provided here.....
>>136457503
>>136456576

>>136457499
>there is truth to the "what if the child consents" meme.
even after all the pizzagate shit. the mark dutroux shit. people believe an ancap society could magically carry out more pedophilia than what the state currently does, using the power of the state
germany and italy have AOC of 14 and 16
dont know if you fascists are aware, those are little kids il duce was fucking

an ancap society will just inevitably lead to becoming a city state.

>>136457832
foreign armies against mall cop level militias
militiaa!?...fucking militias are organized,,, AnCaps aposta be organized.

>>136457756
ok fair point, at this point society becomes dog-eat-dog.
Better stick to my Capitalistic - Fascism/Monarchy

>>136457805
Would you please answer to this? >>136457753

>>136457931
just like those goat farmers paid tribute the US these past 12 years
oh wait we wasted trillions

>>136457706
but what prevents it?

>>136457985
most people already follow a form of the NAP and it literally is just common sense. There are many ways it can be instilled into the population.

As for establishing it. pretty much The NAP doesn't apply untill Ancap is achieved

>>136457714
damn afghanistan just becomes more and more relevant

>>136458045
>il duce
yea fts - makes me lean to Monarchy - Tradition and Faith being the extra layer of checks and balances

>>136458168
You think ancap mercs are going to play nice like the US and do you think these capitalists have the religious and nationalistic zeal of mudslimes in Iraq?

>>136458073
monarchies are inevitable in AnCap land. spergs like Molymeme would want to be overlords

>>136457753
>Culture?
American commercial and liberty culture taken to autistic levels
>What about people who seek leadership?
Start a bussiness
>What about Niggers?
Dumb ones die off due to lack of gibs. Smart ones integrate into society
>Why should A care for Bs freedom?
Because its the right of every human being

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>>136455716
Anarcho-Capitalism doesn't have any government, dumbass. The US had small government at the time, ANCAPs don't believe in Government all together. Nice Strawman you came up with, dipshit.

>>136458184
welp such is the nature of the straw man - i cant defend AnCaps here.

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these could be converted to AnCap?

>>136458374
>why should A care for Bs freedom
Also because both A and B are counterparties to the same contract that created said freedoms in the first place, and a threat to one of those parties is a threat to all of them

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>>136458603
Yes because they turn into these
>bencarson.jpg

Stupid fucking nazi.

>>136458374
>American commercial and liberty culture taken to autistic levels
ok so what about the Christian values which are the roots of Western Civilization? Is society to devolve to consumerism? Or is this last question a strawman too?

>>136458603
They can indoctrinated and turned into meatshields for actual ancaps

>>136458603
yes and they wont survive

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>>136455209
under complete ancap, people you complain about today of manipulating corrupt government, the shitty "not real capitalism" system we have today, to try and get their way and to make puppets out of our gov't and debt slaves out of us all, like Soros -- they wouldn't need to bother with those games, as they would own their own private armies and would rule you directly and physically enslave you or eliminate you if you didn't tow the line

>complete and uncompromising ancap is a fantasy for basement-dwelling NEETs who can't compete in the current system, but use the "it's the corrupt gov't man, if only there was no rules, then I could really succeed" as a delusional excuse
if there was no gov't, Tyrone would be eating ramen out of your polished skull by evening

>>136458374
>right of every human being
There are no human rights because rights must be enforced by some kind of power. (a gun, police, or military)

By "people who seek leadership, I meant those who dont know what to do other then survive. That isnt a minority.

Comercial culture is nothing compared to acctual european culture.

>>136458376
>>136458374
how come u just dont become AN-COL/COM/SN? u get to collective own the business and the landlord dosent kick down the door and u dont have to worry bout "muh gulag" whats to hate?
like logically its better then "AN"-CAP at least
>inB4 muh coercion
anarchist philosophy cares little bout coercion unjust hierarchy is the true issue at hand

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>>136455922
>"""""Wild""""" West.
You read too many novels and not enough history. Just look at how little crime was committed during the Gold Rush when miners could walk to the bank with 20 lb of gold and not get robbed.

>>136458748
lol no one "runs" it - shit meme

>>136458671
Complete freedom of religion and movement. If you wish to start a community that is only from hardcore Christians you have the right. if you wish to start a commune its your right. As long as it doesn't violate the NAP your good to go.

The mainstream culture will likely be mostly consumerism, yes

>>136458669
go to Chicago and street preach your ways, see how that turns out.

>>136458671
If you want a space for christian values, pay for it. Otherwise fuck off like everybody else.

>>136458700
Wrong. The government has literally shut down in the United States and nobody cared. Even if you want to argue there will be a chimp out, there are already chimp outs and AnCaps give property owners better legal right to defend themselves than governments do.

>>136458878
>mainstream will be consumerism
You think thats desireable? Its literally animal tier.

>>136455209

how do you regulate the consistency in the value of currency? if youre using metals as the backing source, how do you know the metals are actually pure and not counterfeit?

what happens if a counterfeit operation has gone unknown for a length of time, say a decade?

how do you enforce citizens from not using infrastructure they havent paid into?

how would you handle another nation who is not ancap delcaring war upon you?

how do you handle advanced education (surgery, engineering, advanced technology)?

how do you handle violent terrorism?

>>136458878
Hmm ok im on aboard - my own psuedo-state. How quaint.

>>136455209
>People will act in their own self interest
Yet many communist revolutions happened
>People will act in their own self interest
Leftpol exist
Tattoo on face
Dindu behavior

I think some populations can handle the responsibility of libertarianism but most cannot. Any sub 97 iq population cannot.
Any sub 90iq population needs a boot on the neck.

>>136458893
I didn't say I was going to teach the animals, I just wanted to point out that even niggers can behave like people. As opposed to nazis and communists.

>>136458813
the technology was different.
no long ranged missile, just cannons and revolvers. the best transportation was trains and ships.

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>>136458748
That is literally me. Funny. However, everyone else is described by: "when you think not watching a few episodes of deadwood and not putting 200 hours into new vegas qualifies you enough to run an economic system" so only a fool would laugh at that

>>136455209
Its almost as retarded as communism. There will always be states.

>>136455209
Child labour will become a thing again because they consent. Nothing inherently wrong with that, I mean child actors are a thing if some ten year old wants to make five dollars an hour making bead jewellery go ahead. But it'll lock the proletariat into their class indefinitely.

Everything would be so wonderful. Honestly, nothing could possibly go wrong and we'd all live in peace and harmony. Only an idiot wouldn't know that.

Anarcho capitalism is what we have all been working toward, it's just that evil mainstream media has pulled the wool over our brethren's eyes with their cowardice lies.

Soon we will be free, and we will live together like brothers, in perfect harmony, almost like family, except we're way cooler than that. This is the coolest ideology evahhh xx

>>136459142
>proletariat
Fuck off commie

>>136455209
Whats the difference between corporate tyranny and government tyranny?

most if not all AnCap fags are silver spoons who are set for life, even when your parents croak

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>>136459142
Do you even white, retard? Child labor is an r-strategist thing. Whites don't do that shit. The wealth enabled by capitalism ensures that people get to make choices in such things.
Admittedly, you may have pointed out a problem with nigger an-caps, but whatever. Better their children work than starve. You're shitty at this larping an-cap thing.
As for locking the proletariat into their class indefinitely, that's what free handouts and heavy regulation are for. Block entrepreneurship that would lift them out, hinder employment that would lift them out, and make it seem pointless to try to rise on your own.

Pic unrelated, but thread-relevant.

anarcho capitalism is a regressive ideology

no nation state has ever been seen to be progressing when it changed to a more free market / ancap state. It has always been a devolution, and usually causes much suffering.

>>136459211

seriously ancaps are just as autistic as marxists.

someone comes into your dwelling and kills you and your family.

>"but muh NAP"

too bad faggot youre dead and do you really think someone is going to pay privitized police to find the murderer of some faggot they have no connection to?

>>136459015
>>136459015
>>136459015

still waiting for one of you dumb shits to answer these points, especially the first two

>>136458374
Rights are a product of government

>>136459015
>currency
Bitcoin
>people didn't pay for the road
Then they pay the fine or you can put leans on their assets, like their fucking car, exactly how toll roads work
>how do you handle war
With a self-defense force organized from voluntary recruits that's privately managed and contracted for self-defense. Maybe multiple firms.
>who pays for it
People who want a fucking self-defense force in a contract labelled "self-defense force".
>advanced education
private colleges exactly how its handled now
>who pays for it
corporations that want tech patents
>violent terrorism
nobody said you had to let muslims in and there's still private "police"

>>136455209
What if powerful guy gets an army and claims everything

>>136455767
Who is Lysander Spooner, and Benjamin Tucker?

>>136458948
>Wrong. The government has literally shut down in the United States and nobody cared. Even if you want to argue there will be a chimp out, there are already chimp outs and AnCaps give property owners better legal right to defend themselves than governments do.
HUH???
are you just replying to the argument you would like to reply to in your head? or did you confuse my post with someone else's?

>>136459505

>bitcoin

LOL -THATS- YOUR SOLUTION?

>Then they pay the fine or you can put leans on their assets, like their fucking car, exactly how toll roads work

what about back country roads?
what about long stretches of highway?

>nobody said you had to let muslims in and there's still private "police"

how are you going to regulate who comes in?

isn't breathing air an act of agression?

people are freely using a product of the trees on your property.

>>136459456
>someone comes into your dwelling
Shoot them. They're trespassing on private property in violation of the NAP, presumably trespassing in a menacing or violent manner
>i don't have a gun
get one cuck.
>where are the police
Did you forget to pay your McPolice subscription? Well you're fucked because you're a dumb nigger. Otherwise, they were already here because they're hyper efficient and customer care is extremely important to their brand name.

>nobody will pay private police for crimes unrelated to them
>hurr durr i don't get flood insurance because it didn't rain yesterday
They don't fucking know the crime isn't going to be against them before they pay, ingrate. It's insurance, the police are fucking INSURANCE.

>>136459015
I honestly can't answer the first two

>how do you enforce citizens from not using infrastructure they havent paid into?
Private security and Access passes
>how would you handle another nation who is not ancap delcaring war upon you?
First, Diplomacy would be tried. If that fails, CEOs of private millitaries can decide if they want Involvement in the war. If this country somehow invades us then good luck fighting an entire nation of people armed with military tech.
>how do you handle advanced education (surgery, engineering, advanced technology)?
Private education. Either a potential employer tests for competency or a separate Record keeping company provides the infomation to them.
>how do you handle violent terrorism?
Private millitary and security,

>>136456966
Exactly what would come out of AnCap. What is to stop one cunt from getting a lot of resources and making his own private army, and forcing government onto others by force?

ok lets use a thought experiment to describe how intrusive "private police" can be
>two societies one AN-CAP one AN-COL/COM/SN live next to each other
>a man breaks a contract and since he cant afford the fine gets an arrest warrant issued at the hands of a private court
>to avoid arrest he flees and escapes to the AN-COL/COM/SN side of the border
>the workers militia at the border refuses to return him on the grounds contracts are hierarchical anti-worker and just a spook propagated at the hands of the AN-CAP system
does the private security have the right to launch a raid on the AN-COM/COL/SN side to retrieve the man?

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>>136455209
>alright /pol/ come give some ACTUAL criticisms of Anarcho-Faggotry
>just make sure not to use any of these perfectly reasonable talking points, if you do you get thrown out of a helicopter

Actually retarded. I just realized ancaps are just as retarded as fucking communists. Opinions permanantly discarded.

>>136459688
>bitcoin
Yes, it's actually a rather elegant solution.

>back roads highway, etc.
If you need the road, you and the others who use it should pay for it. if that's not enough to pay for the road, it wasn't worth building and you need to move. Why should other people subsidize your gas guzzling habit of living in the middle of nowhere?

>regulate who comes in
>private property
>give me your McVisa or out the door you go
>thatsit.jpg

>>136459841
>>just make sure not to use any of these perfectly reasonable talking points, if you do you get thrown out of a helicopter
I said that because, those points have been done some many fucking times they are basically dead memes to us

>>136455922
Tbh I'd love to take a time machine and fuck around in the Wild West around the 1800's.

Wow an "ideology" with only nihilistic beliefs is impossible to logically defeat. Imagine that.

anarchists are so dumb.

>>136455840
>Companies will provide services under the free market
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>136459702
This is actually a pretty valid argument, but suffice it to say that the cost of producing oxygen is minuscule compared to the cost of producing food, and the cost of metering how much oxygen people consume is prohibitively expensive compared to what you could charge. In space, you would definitely charge for oxygen consumption and breathing air which you weren't authorized to breathe would be a violation of the NAP.

>>136460026

these people are honestly fools

just like socialists theyre trying to break down a (mostly) working system in favor of their utopia.

theyre a fucking blight upon society, and half these neets wouldnt know how to survive without welfare autism bucks being thrown at them in the comfort of their parent's house

>>136459820
This is referred to as an extradition treaty, and both jurisdictions would have to previously agree beforehand that whatever the man is indicted with in the original country is a crime under the extraditable offenses of the host country. Supposing it was, an extradition trial typically happens where the police bring the subject in for an extradition hearing, they extradite him to the original country for his trial, and then if convicted he is jailed in the original country.

If there's no extradition treaty, then you're off the hook.

>>136459936

so what, if you dont have a smart phone or computer you cant purchase anything?

and as far as physical bitcoins, that doesnt answer the counterfeit question.

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>>136458188
Reminds me of commies saying "most beeple r already margsist for exemble charidies:DDDD"

>>136459818
whats stopping the US from being able to officially end the engagement in iraq and afghanistan
>they havent won yet

>>136459643
>Lysander Spooner,
ill give u that
>Benjamin Tucker
individualist anarchism isnt capitalist or socialist it simply states that whatever economic model the individual should have final say

>>136455922
literally perfect

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>>136455209
The simple fact is that the NAP is a prescriptive and not a descriptive theory of property and human cooperation. In other words you're prescribing private property as the only form of property that should exist in a society, but in reality we know that people retaliate and punish others (look up altruistic punishment) who impose damages/cost on what they *empirically* consider to be their property (it's still property irregardless of the fact that it's intangible).

It's impossible to preserve genetic/normative/institutional/social capital under the NAP because you can't bring someone to court for damaging an intangible form of property, and as a consequence spirals of retaliation between people would continue to occur and cooperation would be impossible.

>>136458878
Why did you stop answering
>>136458962
>>136458725

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>>136459841
all of hitlers power is now under angela merkel
statism did not help the nazis

>>136458962
Its not Ideal, But its necessary

>>136460321
Yes, if you're a fucking neanderthal you'll have difficulty purchasing things. You're probably going to get a digital wallet that looks like a credit card when you turn in your (((fiat))) at a currency exchange, and the bitcoins on that card will work just like any prepaid debit card. This already basically exists with just an app and QR code as well.

>>136458725
>>136460401
>There are no human rights because rights must be enforced by some kind of power.
ross ulbricht has a right to keep his bitcoin from the government. they threw him in prison for life because they were unable to overcome that right
all of his treasures continue to sit out of their reach. who is enforcing this magical barrier?

>>136460314
> both jurisdictions
And how do you decide which corp has the exclusive rights (aka monopoly) to make treaties with another countries? What makes this corp different from a government then? How and with whom do you make treaties given an AN-COM neighbouring "country"?

>>136460314
well i think we can safely assume that the AN-COL/COM/SN society would never sign said treat so i guess quite literally anyone could just jump the border and be A OK

>>136460369
>can't bring someone to court for damaging intangible property
>whatthefuckislibel.jpg
Really, anon? We can fucking put a numerical fucking value on how much intangible value was lost, you moron.

>>136460631
how do they work now? like that but not paid for by taxes (aka theft and the whole thing that makes something statism ya dummy)

>>136459505
>bitcoin
you need the internet for that
what is comcast, google,....
a home computer (only available pre-AnCap), manual generator and an antennae won't give you the internet.
Side note the Internet was invented by the Government.

>>136460557

so by neanderthal you mean someone who doesnt want to pay for internet, phone service or a phone?

so if someone wants to be a farmer and live off the land they -have- to get technology just to participate in your economy?

whos going to enforce the bitcoin standard and how?

this sounds like the opposite of socialists browbeating the bourgeoisie

>>136460751
Millitary funded by tax payers*

>>136460631
>be me
>decide to be AnCap
>hurr durr let me shop for my citizenship
>ooh, this looks like a great place for faggots like me
>cool, i can be a citizen for a low low fee of $20/month and get all these legal protections and shit, and i even get a free t shirt and bumper sticker
>cool, I'm a citizen of Faggotland now, let me go commit a crime in NormieVille
>sorry anon, Normieville has extradition treaties with Faggotland
>ok, let me go commit a crime in Africa
>nice.jpg
The point is you get the ability to freely shop around for the exact set of laws you want, and people are free, within their economic capacity, to create new sets of laws exactly as they would prefer

>>136460630
human rights and rights in general literally dont exist u are only truly free when u tear the whip from the masters hands and beat him with it

abstract concept as flimsy as "rights" dont honestly matte to anyone

>>136460480
You are my role model, taking on all these statist shills. Take a new AnCap deeper into his understanding of AnCapitalism.

>>136455840
So I could pee in public and get away with it? AnCap sounds freaking awesome

>>136460751

these people are incredibly dumb. they claim to have this worked out but there are so many glaring flaws that only take a few seconds of brainwork to uncover.

civilization as we know it would have to be completely restructured, and they think all their luxuries will just magically carry over into this wild west utopia.

>>136460817
who's doing the taxing?

>>136460707
> how do they work now? like that but not paid for by taxes (aka theft
Why would this corp bother with establishing treaties and enforcing them if it's not getting paid for it? Who is going to pay for their services and who isn't, given that everyone benefits? If you say only those who want will pay, why would ANYONE want to pay, given that they benefit regardless of it?

>>136460894
There is also the possibility of your insurance company handling your safety and assuring a due process if you are accused of any crime.

>>136460995

PRIVATE BUSINESSES BRO THROUGH THE MEANS OF BITCOIN AND PRIVATIZED MILITARY DUH

>>136459979
And yet you never found a solid way around any of them. You believe Anarchy can be achieved as a permanent state of being for a territory, not that it's effectively just a reset that results in a new government anyways. Ancaps want to create a state where they actually have no idea what will happen, completely ignoring basic human nature and expecting some metaphysical concept to stop things from going to shit. What makes you think any group of people with common interests wouldn't form an alliance to create a new corporate state, which in a decade just evolves into a state like the one before?

>>136460630
Lol what? Thats a prime example of the absence of human rights, he isnt free right now, is he? And he cant use the wealth he has.

>>136460480
Its necessary? Well no. A society with a consumerist mainstream is a worthless society witch only worships freedom(?) and wealth. But what do they use it for?

Life is a strugle for power but what makes us higher is that we can use this power for certain creations.

Capitalism is certainly the best economical sytem but there must be a person who people follow to achieve things.

>>136460640
They're not going to let people freely move in between those two states then.
>>136460751
>need the internet
Ok, private ISPs.
>need a good internet
Ok, host data transmission over a blockchain and pay people to move web traffic around, boom P2P internet.
>need home computer or cell phone
Buy one
>internet was invented by government
So was bitcoin.

>>136460776
>doesn't want internet or phone service
If you want to live in Africa just move there.
>be a farmer and live off the land
Ok, now sell your fucking wheat and cows for bitcoin like everybody else
>bitcoin standard
Most of it is already hardcoded, there is a non-profit organization set up for further development. There's also nothing stopping the creating of new cryptocurrencies for each state, multiple within a state, whatever.

>>136461145

so you have multiple forms of cryptocurrency.

who regulates how much these are worth?

how do you handle inflation?

who gets to decide all of this?

how do you do business with another nation that doesnt use bitcoin?

>>136461094
businesses aren't anarchy; they are small governments that natural would expand into large companies.
RIP AnCap
nickels and dimes don't make nukes.
people like molymeme would refuse to fork over an bitcoin.

>>136461282
I'm guessing the answer is that you'll exchange them on the market

>>136461145
where are you buying this computer from in your AnCap world?

>>136460751
There are bitcoin debit cards already, even if you can't afford a smartphone, most people will most likely use a bank issued bitcoin debit card of some kind for convenience anyway.

>>136461049
Not everyone benefits. You have to prove you're a shareholder/citizen/whatever and that "corporate citizenship" gives you legal standing. You choose what you're willing to pay for as far as rights, etc. and subscribe, and that's your citizenship. If you want to live in a shitty nazi state and pay high taxes so autistic neets can shitpost online with their welfare money, go ahead.

>>136461385
already, that means in the non-AnCap world

>>136461282
Do you honestly believe some government worker decides all that or have any power to affect it?

>>136461298
>>136461360

hey stop being fucking logical, were in the magical land of dreams here

>>136461336

who oversees the market to make sure there isnt corruption?

>>136461385

how do you handle theft of said card and unlawful charges?

>>136461282
free. fucking. market.
>inflation
bitcoin is deflationary, some cryptos are inflationary, all cryptos have the release schedule set in stone from day 1 so no (((central banking)))
>who regulates worth
free market
>who decides this
free market
>how do you do business with others
exchange your memecoins for petrodollars or gold or RMB like every other fucking international settlement

>>136461477

no but who regulates that things are being done in a proper manner, as in not scamming the customer?

>>136461134
>Thats a prime example of the absence of human rights, he isnt free right now, is he? And he cant use the wealth he has.
that was not your claim. you said you need states to enforce property rights
disproven

>>136455209
>Anarcho-Capitalism.
I won't bother because under that system of "a proposition nation" I can have simply you knocked off since I probably have more $ than someone so insecure in their beliefs. So it sounds REAL good to me. I also seek to repeal all the constitutional BS so YOU and your gay lover can be thrown out of a helicopter, or worse. I wish there was a REAL political ideology, something more realistic that didn't exceed the realm of reality, one for us sadists and wanna be child murders and organized criminals who aren't jewish.

>>136460667
How the fuck am I supposed to bring someone to court to perform restitution for their non-willingness to follow of a set of norms? I can't. It's impossible, because under the NAP it was a voluntary act and didn't impose damages/costs on life/private property.

>>136461439
Indeed, and the government had no involvement in its creation.

There is nothing that would suggest that the internet would disappear because of the abolishment of government, its just too convenient.

>>136461484
>how do you handle theft of said card and unlawful charges?
How about you keep your passwords to yourself?

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>>136455209
Ancap is not a solution or problem. People have always been the problem. Criticizing a political theory is fruitless.
Would you rather live in a county with:
A. full blown AIDS AnCap, and the average IQ is 80?
B. full blown AIDS Communism, and the average IQ is 120?

What is the IQ requirment/prerequisite for AnCap to be most viable?

>when AN-CAP goes into effect and massive bill gates level millionaires keep their current wealth an form a despotic luxury class over the plebs
oh shit if only we could allow people to purchase goods without having to deal with the accumulation problem? oh wait
protip:
labor vouchers

Just to clarify some things.

The government violates the NAP by forcing you to pay taxes which go towards things you don't use as well are other various things therefore self defense is allowed.

Taxes are you literally paying the government corporation for services you may or may not use. By allowing the free market to do whatever the government is doing it allows you to get a better product as well as you not having to pay for something you don't use (e.g. boogies healthcare).

The NAP would be enforced by a Union of Businesses whose vested interested ultimately calls for law and order. Literally everything can be dealt with by the free market.

>>136459015
>how do you regulate the consistency in the value of currency

Not at all.
Use gold. It doesnt use value anyway

.not at all. U know that that will happen before u begin and take that into consideration when calculating (feasability study), ofcurse.

Defend yourself. Use incentives and sanctipns wisely. And especially kooperations and alliances, of wgich u will have pllenty, cince u are open, nonagressive, but very cooperative, honorably, busiy and solutuion and win win orientated. U have a very good reputation thetefore and ppl / countriws like u and value u.

>>136459015
>how do you handle advanced education (surgery, engineering, advanced technology)?
Handle? Not at all. Ppl will use it or wont. Their choice.

>how do you handle violent terrorism?
Kill the terrorists

>>136455209
Simple.
How do you enact it?

>>136455209
>he doesnt see muh warlords, muh feudalism, muh nukes as a positive
>he doesnt want to ride around in a bombed out wasteland in sex slave attire in frankensteined together contraptions gunning people down for moldy expired cans of dog food

feel bad for you fampi

>>136461574
Trust, like its been done for millenia.

You don't buy the shares the nice guy from canada offers to sell you cheaply, do you? You use a trusted broker with a good reputation.

>>136460409
Actually it did. If Hitler hadn't brought the German people together like he did, the country would have gotten rekt by a Soviet invasion. A bunch of unorganized corporations and factions over a territory is much more ripe for the taking than a singular fascist state. It's the stupid war that killed the Nazis. There were no Nazis left to prevent Merkel, they had no hand in this outcome.

>>136461360
From fucking China, like you do in your nazi world. As if companies like google and samsung wouldn't fucking flock to the ancap state to take advantage of tax havens.

>>136461484
>he honestly believes computers can't be made unless the government exists
>who oversees the market
You get to fucking pick man, if you want to trade memecoins and penny stocks on pajeet servers you're allowed to do that, if you only want bluechip value companies with financials going back 10 years available publicly you're gonna have to pay for that, but you'll get it. That's what we call having a "free market" with "free exchange of ideas" and "fair competition" and not being a fucking nazi scumbag with a failed socialist ideology from the 1930s. You'd be better off asking how the fuck the nazis would make computers.

>>136459102
>>People will act in their own self interest
>Leftpol exist
Because government
>Tattoo on face
Because stupid , ergo will out themself from genepool
>Dindu behavior
Because government

>>136461605

i would rather live in an authoritarian nation than deal with this ancap bullshit desu

>>136461675
>people will or wont use it their choice.

so you get hit by a car. hit and run.

how do you handle the medical procedure?

does the doctor perform a life saving operation on you without your permission?

>>136461394
>You choose what you're willing to pay for as far as rights, etc. and subscribe, and that's your citizenship
You already do that in the modern world. Nobody forces you to pay your "high taxes". If you don't like them, you can just "subscribe" to a different set of rights for a different price by going to live in a different country.
In your example, the "corporate citizenship" selling corps are essentially microgovernments, there's just (supposedly) more variety to choose from than now.

>>136456400

>You stole it from me and I will kill you to take it back.

>People think it will deter other people instead of the obvious solution of not only taking your property, but killing you as well.

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>>136461600
>set of norms
Supposing you have a binding contract and the person breached, you bring them in to court on a breach of contract claim and sue for restitution. You can bring them to court because they voluntarily submit to being bound to the terms of said contract, which I assume if you had a decent lawyer had a choice of venue clause which stated that in the case of dispute, the laws governing your citizenship would be used.

Try again, statist.

>>136461773
>AnCaps having to buy from *non-AnCaps*
so...which one did the fucking up?

>>136461801
>>136461675
>people will or wont use it their choice.

so you get hit by a car. hit and run. youre unconscious for several days from brain trauma.

your brain is bleeding

how do you handle the medical procedure?

does the doctor perform a life saving operation on you without your permission?

if you dont opt in for insurance do you just die?

if you couldnt afford insurance given the chance previously do you just die?

does the doctor have any obligation to save your life, and use the company's resources despite the risk that you might not be able to pay?

>>136461801
These are fucking legal questions that are already answered today. Yes the fucking doctor performs life-saving operation because you can't give permission because you're dying, you most likely would give permission, and even if you wouldn't have given permission because you wanted to commit suicide a US court will still rule you owe the doctor payment for services rendered because we don't want a fucking faggot autist like you to fuck up a system that normally saves lives.

>>136461605
This is bait, historically all the intellectuals with money were killed with the founding of communist states, whom only want Cletus as citizens.

>>136455209
How does defense from outside forces even work in ancapistan like do you crowd fund missile defense systems or what?

>>136461956

exactly.

what if youre glorious ancap nation doesnt have the resources to produce advanced electronics?

>>136462079

what if someone doesnt believe in war?

are they entitled to the protection they get from others funding a military?

>>136457029
>if you make a product that stomps out everything else by legitimate competition you should be rewarded not punished.

Tell me again, why do we hate niggers and jews then?

>>136461828
All governments are coercive in their taxation; this is backwards. The corporate state should be bending over backwards to WANT me to be a citizen of it, by providing the best services possible at the cheapest price possible. To that end, moving and changing citizenship is difficult, which "protects" the government "monopoly" on legal claims. If you think of "law and order" as a service, government maintains a monopoly on that service and the AnCap argument is simply that we should have a free market for "law and order" services.

>>136455922
The "wild" west was actually an extremely civilised era, certainly more so than most places in the current US e.g. Chiraq. Thanks to spaghetti westerns and hollywood, everyone thinks it was rife with corruption and dysfunctional - couldn't be further from the truth.

>>136455209
The issue I have with Anarcho-Capitalism is your definition of freedom. The colloquial AnCap definition is "being able to do anything you want". The problem with that is if what you want to do is enslave another individual, then that individual isn't able to do what they want to do, ergo it's paradoxical. The better colloquial definition of freedom is "being able to do what you want, provided it doesn't infringe upon the personal or property rights of others". We achieve that by means of law enforcement - i.e. a government, albeit a very restricted one.

>>136457706

>Strawman

It's literally one of the first things that usually happens when govt starts being impotent.

>>136461956
First of all China is pretty damn close to AnCap except for CCCP legacy remnants. Second of all, you just completely ignored the fact that major software and hardware companies have huge incentive to literally move their headquarters to AnCap. Third, computer chips are practically a fucking commodity on the world market you're basically asking where are you going to get apples from if you can't get Washington Red Delicious?

>>136462079
the question's been asked
AnCap fags are saying tax people for bitcoins and militias will do the fighting
they haven't answered who will enforce the taxes.

>>136462119
>>136462079

>>136462119
>>136462079

what if a small sect doesnt believe in war or hasnt paid for some sort of enforcements.

are ancaps saying they would let their neighbors die in a terror attack, riot, gang attack or war?

doesnt this go against the 'goodness of humans' that they all seem to preach?

>>136458374
>Start a bussiness

Throwing buzzwords is not an argument, mate.

>>136461637
>keep their current wealth
lol you commies can never suppress your jealousy can you
nothing is stopping you from your labor voucher plan mr tucker. we both know why you havent done it though

>>136461912
ok let me give u scenario
>an-caps get wish government destroyed
>before "private security and courts" and "muh NAP" is implemented a group of AN-COMs begin collectivizing property and forcing landowners out
>whenever the NAP is cited the AN-COMs simpl call it the spook it is and continue collectivizing property
>becomes new catalonia
so how would u stop it from becoming catalonia-aragon in a few days fuck a few hours t b h

Anarcho-capitalistm is the default state of mankind. Such a free system would cause degeneracy to destroy itself.

Single motherhood is a good example. With no welfare system, being a single mother wouldn't be a viable option. Niggers would be shunned for fucking women and leaving. Coalburners would be shunned for giving birth to criminals and not being able to give their kids financial support. They would be excluded from society by non-violent means.

It's the same with fags, trannies, jews, niggers and retards. In a world where there's no (((government))) to protect them they would die off on their own.

>>136462119
>what if youre glorious ancap nation doesnt have the resources to produce advanced electronics?
The only reason USA can't do it is because of government laws that forbids any mining of rare earth metals because of the presence of radioactive elements.

Meanwhile China doesn't care about that and have become really fucking good at removing those elements and basically rule the rare earths market.

But hey at least you can buy your computers from the glorious peoples republic of china that is clearly superior to pig capitalist america!

>>136455209
When the whole argumentation of Ancaps is:
a) Muh NAP
b) "Start a business"
c) Be wealthy and powerful

The arguments you presented are justified.

>>136461576
No, I said there must be a power to enforce a right.
The right to own his bitcoin was granted by the power called state or security codes or whatever.

But the state restricted his freedom, so he has no way to use the bitcoin.

So where is his right to own stuff now?

You also didnt answer to the cultural question, I assume you have no answer and encourage you to read Nietzsche for instance to understand my position better and drop your incorrect view.

>>136462317

would this give the militia the right to throw them in a prison for not paying?

who pays for prisons?

who pays for jails?

who pays for medical expenses of prisoners?

if the prisoner is broke but has a condition such as diabetes, what do you do then? let them die?

>>136462317
>who will enforce taxes
What the fuck do you mean, enforce? Who the fuck enforces you pay your internet bill? Nobody, if you stop paying you stop getting service. There are already fucking ancap memes about forgetting to pay your subscription for Bronze-tier insurance and you morons are still stuck on enforcement because all you nazi larpers do is think about how many different ways you can "enforce" your cock down some shitskins throat

>>136462334
>nothing is stopping you from your labor voucher plan mr tucker. we both know why you havent done it though
well im one fucking person who would i trade em with muhself? hah
it worked decentl in CNTalonia but oh wait capitalists and stalinists teamed up to fuck em....

b t w
>the fact an immediate oligarch will form isnt a legit criticism

>>136462317
B-but taxation is theft?

>>136455922
well

>>136462484
see.....
>>136462336
so?

>>136462024
This fucking faggot won't even reply to my post because he was so thoroughly BTFO.
>These are fucking legal questions that are already answered today. Yes the fucking doctor performs life-saving operation because you can't give permission because you're dying, you most likely would give permission, and even if you wouldn't have given permission because you wanted to commit suicide a US court will still rule you owe the doctor payment for services rendered because we don't want a fucking faggot autist like you to fuck up a system that normally saves lives.

>>136462317
Property owners in cities would cooperate for the defence of their property, and pay for it from the rent of the people living there.

>>136455209
>criticise my ideology, but don't use any arguements on why mental retardation is retarded.

>>136462484

if someone breaks into your house or is actively trying to break in, how does the police know youre a paying customer?

if they cant validate your information do they just let you get robbed or murdered?

what if its an error on their behalf?

>>136462552

how will a court system work in an ancap society?

what if you didnt want the doctor to save your life?

who pays the fees of a court system in an ancap society?

who pays the jurors in an ancap society?

>>136462544
You shoot them or wait for the inevitable collapse of their collective.

>>136462460
You stop getting service if you don't pay. If you use something you haven't paid for, it's theft.

Private police is a business which benefits from protecting people by throwing criminals to prisons and jails. They pay for prisons and jails, because other people need them and are willing to pay for them. Same with medical expenses of prisoners.

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>>136455209
Capitalism only works in the public interest if it's contained within an ethical framework. Things like vigorous antitrust, ethical consumer and worker protections, and an economic model where private gains are reasonably enjoyed by workers as well as executives are not natural to capitalism (they are socialist devices), but we see them as important parts of a sustainable capitalist model. Without them, in the long run, only the financiers and owners in the economy profit from unbridled capitalism, and at the expense of a consumer class unable to leverage any political power to buttress the public interest

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>>136455209
>Ancap using Helicopter meme
You'd have been thrown out of a helicopter too, you fucking retard.

>>136462172
>The corporate state should be bending over backwards to WANT me to be a citizen of it, by providing the best services possible at the cheapest price possible
The real-world "non-corporate" states already do that, if you have a lot of value (money, talent, or even a profession that is in demand in this particular country). If you don't (as in, you can't "pay" the government either with money (tax-paying businessmen) or the possibility of getting it money (scientists, actors, etc)) - the AnCap won't sell the citizenship to you either (you can't afford it).
> the AnCap argument is simply that we should have a free market for "law and order" services
Yeah, and my point is, we already have that on a planetary scale, because different goverments (aka law-order-enforcing corps) with different taxes (aka subcription fees) sell different rights. And they DO compete with each other on a free-market basis for getting the most promising citizens.

>>136462336
How do you just wish the government is destroyed? You can literally get to AnCap with a series of modifications to the U.S. Constitution, you can't get to AN-COM like that.

Supposing government is literally gone tomorrow morning, i don't think you're going to avoid something akin to a zombie apocalypse no matter what the fuck you try. This would be true if nazi policies were implemented as well.

>>136459643
Cucker is not a fucking capitalist.
He is a individualist anarchist.

>>136462694

who pays for an increase in imprisoned people?

would the rate go up for all users of that company?

is it fair to raise the prices for everyone if a few users were responsible for a majority of people incarcerated?

what if customers stop paying for service?

do the rates for imprisoned persons go up for everyone else is paying?

what if hypothetically everyone stops paying for service?

do the criminals get set free?

>>136462119
>are they entitled to the protection they get from others funding a military?
it's really irrelevant as you saw with the Paris commune and other dumb commie separatists if you can't defend yourself you will be steamrolled by outside forces

>>136455716
>US
>Ancap
>Government

You're a fucking retard

>>136462663
>how will a court system work in an ancap society?
Insurance companies would seek to ensure a just and fair trial for their clients.
>what if you didnt want the doctor to save your life?
Leave a note along your ID.
>who pays the fees of a court system in an ancap society?
You or your insurance company.
>who pays the jurors in an ancap society?
See above.

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>>136462761
>You can literally get to AnCap with a series of modifications to the U.S. Constitution

The Constitution presupposes the existence of the state, genius. You'll have to rewrite the entire fucking thing

>>136462682
>You shoot them
AN-CAPs are an extreme minority even if the AN-COMs went full catalonia most people would just side with them anhow

>inevitable collapse of their collective
fucking proof?
>inB4 catalonia lost to stalinist and franco
so an external factor is somehow indicative of an economic model

t b h an-cap land would collapse sooner

>>136462484
penalties keep people paying their bills and penalties come with consequences. net companies can take a person to court for unpaid bills, under our legal system.
in AnCap land they could likely threaten to break your legs.

>>136457189
It requires educating the population prior to getting rid of the State.

>refute my ideology but only in this predefined set of rules I have erected that favors me and disallows my arguments biggest flaws

>can't do it huh guess i win

unironically you OP

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>>136462697
ethics dont exist, only morals do
morals come from god and his human form jesus christ. deny this and you are a godless sociopath like all the other jews and muslims
>n-n-no y-you're the sociopath for denying my ethics that are based upon nothing!
your body is not ready for the christian NAP

>>136462172
>The corporate state should be bending over backwards to WANT me to be a citizen of it,

Should, but wouldn't.

>by providing the best services possible at the cheapest price possible.

Nah, just (((coincidentally))) fucking you over if you step back from the good guys and good companies. Also, don't confuse "providing the best services" and "shitting your ears with advertisements telling you that it's the best services possible".

But I bet you think that Iphone7 is fundamental change for the best from Iphone6.

Goyim like you are the fucking best.

>To that end, moving and changing citizenship is difficult

Funny, how, when I bring difficulty to the "moving away from bad kulak" as justification for what happened in USSR, you suddenly start reeeeeeing.
It's difficult, mate, but not impossible.

>AnCap argument is simply that we should have a free market for "law and order" services.

You know what is "free market" definition of law and order?
Racket gangs.
And considering that most... influential racket gangs in Russia were consisting of chechens, I will give you a wild guess that "Law and order" won't be provided by some White Law Enforcement McCompany, but rather Bloods, Crips, and Las Zetas.

With an interesting showdown when their interests collide into conflict.

>>136462892

if you let separatists get steamrolled, wouldnt that hurt businesses in the area due to a lack of income?

>>136462915

please refrain from using logic, it we're above that in the perfect ancap world

>>136455209
The Jews on top have no restrictions.

Ancap can only work if it is 100% white people who are already a stable and functional community.

>>136462761
Holy FUCK....
u just ADMITTED that "an"-cap isnt anarchism u realize that right?

>>136462663
>actively trying to break in
>they literally have this fucking technology already
>they literally know if you've been paying your subscription by the street address the security monitoring system is pinging
Come on now, this isn't worth my time. Even if you could come up with your what if scenario where an unpaying customer is in need, the police will probably just deal with it anyway to protect the brand name and then attach a fine which any court would enforce if the police were actually necessary.
>how will courts work in ancap
Explained before, but you choose your set of laws. Subject to those laws, you can both be held liable for damages and have standing to sue others also party to those laws
>what if you didn't want the doctor to save your life
Now i know you're not even reading what I wrote.
>who pays the fees
You pay via subscription service because you're never gonna know when you get into legal trouble
>who pays the jurors
The people who fucking sign up as citizens of whatever AnCap society / set of laws they chose. You're never going to understand this because you are just too fucking stupid and/or unwilling to read.

>>136462880
If there's more people to be imprisoned, the demand is higher. Prices raise exponentially. If people stop paying, criminals are set free.

Also, when it comes to crime there's not really a lot you can get jailed for. You have a right to shoot a trespasser or a burglar. Punishments are personal, if somebody violates your NAP you have a right to call the private police at the expense of the wrongdoer or yours.

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>>136463008
>God and christisn values will prevent the ills of capitalism from ruining the greed-driven system
Remember, no strawmen

>>136462663
I fucking answered your question before you asked it and you didn't even have the god damn courtesy to read my fucking post before you hit reply you fucking ingrate
>even if you wouldn't have given permission because you wanted to commit suicide a US court will still rule you owe the doctor payment for services rendered because we don't want a fucking faggot autist like you to fuck up a system that normally saves lives

>>136462921
>AN-CAPs are an extreme minority even if the AN-COMs went full catalonia most people would just side with them anhow
They are also never allowed guns because goverment fear their people. An-cap would also never happen if they are an extreme minority.
There is no proof that people would rather go along with communism than capitalism, we know enough from history books to know the horrors of communism.
>>inevitable collapse of their collective
>fucking proof?
History
>t b h an-cap land would collapse sooner
Proof?

>>136462334
AnCap is basically communism if it doesn't become feudalism. you AnCap fags imagine people sharing resources while they work in harmony starting businesses to keep you world progressing while your god, named Free Market smiles down upon you.

>>136462904

so you only get just representation if you pay for an insurance company dedicated specifically for court related issues?

seems like all these little expenses here and there add up to way more than what were currently getting taxed, you people do realize this right?

>>136463175
someone is jerking off to you and your six year old daughter, while they are on their property enclosed with a chainlink fence.

would this violate a law?

>>136457332
>Private security firm kidnaps you on false charges, slave forever, nobody helps you, no trial
Oops.

>>136463064

It won't even work there.
You seriously underestimate the desire of "your closest one" to JEW you and fuck you over.

>>136463130
how does it feel to know that fucking egoism is more logical then the ideas that u hold?
like fuck im pretty sure even he would be confused with these high level autist mental gymnastics to ustif "muh imagined property rights' and "muh NAP"

>>136462509
RIP AnCap land

>>136463271
No, but I would certainly make sure that everyone in the neighborhood knows how much of a degenerate he is and would hire private security.

Also thanks to freedom of association I would probably live in a neighborhood where such behavior is illegal.

>>136458962
In a truly libertarian nation, no one gets to decide what is desirable. If you wanna make money off porn and stuff yourself with chicken wings, that's your decision. The difference would be that nobody would give a fuck about your fefes, unlike now.

>>136462959
>we've got to brainwash the people before the system can function

I wonder what this sounds like.

>>136463262

ancap is just socialism with bitcoins set in the dark tower universe apparently

>>136463307

didnt pay your insurance fees
get falsely accused of rape or sexual assault
put in jail forever

ha ha this is such a great system!

>>136462959
rhymes with 'shmautism'

>>136463214
>proof?
well at the least AN-COL/COM/SN societies have actually existed more then a whole five minutes even if external forces caused them to eventually perish
lets see the places "an"-cap existed.......
.........

>>136462751
>planetary scale
Yes, and the idea of AnCap is to take it down a few notches so rather than having to move across the fucking planet you can move a few dozen miles.

>>136462915
The constitution pre supposes the existence of MANY states, which are supposed to be independent. It's the exact same type of framework you would use for AnCap society, except the current USA is fucked because of democrats and statist cuckservatives like you.

>>136462922
I don't get why this is bad.

>>136463068
Semantics and you seem to think anarchy means without rules. No, anarchy means without government, as in there is no sovereign authority you must answer to.

>>136463271
>so you only get just representation if you pay for an insurance company dedicated specifically for court related issues?
If you can't afford it, you could always appeal for charity.
>seems like all these little expenses here and there add up to way more than what were currently getting taxed, you people do realize this right?
There really is no comparison to the bureaucracy of government when it comes to costs, inefficiency and corruption, so it literally won't. But it also allows choice.

>>136462915
>You can literally get to AnCap with a series of modifications to the U.S. Constitution
>The Constitution presupposes the existence of the state, genius. You'll have to rewrite the entire fucking thing
He's not wrong.
Here's how:
>pass 28th Amendment
>"The document, [THE US CONSTITUTION] its effects, and institutions created as a result thereof are hereby nullified and dissolved, and further addendum or modification to it is prohibited.

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So we abolish the state:

>people are truly free
>some people gang up because safety in numbers and all that
>a group requires a leader
>merge or absorb other groups
>group grows in size

And we're back where we came from? Also, why do you think everybody would refrain from using force to achieve what they want? Might is right after all. This on the other hand leads to a cycle when people want to prepare to "defend" themselves.

>>136463453
Thats why I dont want a truly liberterian nation.

>>136463519
Its a relatively new ideology, based on the most successful ideology of all time: Capitalism.

In comparison the short time communism have existed it has been to extreme suffering and the death of hundreds of millions.

>>136463605

its the same argument that destroys any form of anarchism.

groups multiply
create their own rules
enforce it
suddenly GOVERNMENT

>>136457245
This.

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>>136463453
What about my cofefes?
DRUMPHFTY BTFO

>>136463050
it would depend on those separatists now wouldn't it if they were a burden to the businesses around it it may simply be more profitable to physical remove them thus the nap is retarded

>>136455922
By now you should all know that this is fucking bait

>>136463529
>Semantics and you seem to think anarchy means without rules
never said that in fact i agree with some forms of anarchy
>No, anarchy means without government, as in there is no sovereign authority you must answer to.
having a constitution is one of the main parts of the government and countries ability to function to destroy the state the constitution must go

>>136463036
The fucking communist has the best objections to ancap. Further proof nazis are inbred rednecks.

>iphones
It's your job to have the mental capacity to not be a good goyim. If all you can do is what the ads tell you to, a fool and his wealth are soon parted.

>moving in the USSR
Nigger grow enough food before you try to make nukes.

>Racket gangs
I don't want white law enforcement McCompany, I would probably honestly rather trust the bloods. Or Sikhs.

>>136462586
>Property owners in cities would cooperate
that's a foolish assumption no one willingly cooperates that's the same reason communist societies fail. Capitalism runs on greed, that's a reality.

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>>136455800
> bascially the best

Lmao. Nice free society you cucks think you have. At least here we know what our government is doing

>>136463262
Not an argument.

>>136463847
>Capitalism runs on greed
And thats why they would cooperate, to ensure nobody takes their property.

>>136463811
ok lets just assume i ascribe to posadism and i believe nuke war needs to happen along with a keen interest in aliens

if im on private property what stops me from just constructing a large amount of nuclear weapons and firing them at Major economic areas?

>>136463773

i understand its easier than typing it out every time, but all these acronyms really make it sound like theyre trying to be more intelligent.

>>136463847

seriously. all these people are under the assumption that everyone is secretly some sort of closeted leave it to beaver do-gooder, and all that is needed to bring that out in people is some radical new system.

i highly recommend everyone sits down and reads some mises or solzhenitsyn

>>136464064

YOU CANT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE NAP THOUGH

CHECK.FUCKING.MATE. HAHAH

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>>136457029
> thinking monopolys form from a good product

Take a basic business class you dolt.

>>136463271
>lots of services
You should bundle your services and save, anon. Flo from progressive can help.

>somefag jerking off to my daughter
Build a fucking fence. Close the blinds. You also can't do shit to this guy in the United States unless he's in plain sight and you get bullshit public exposure shit. Maybe if you're lucky you could stick him with sexual harassment if he was literally fapping in his lawn.

>>136463387
I never take australians seriously because I can't tell if you're pretending to be retarded.

>>136463516
I don't understand why you think the government is so good at providing these services but as soon as we privatize them it's bound to be fucked. Literally everything you guys are complaining about are legitimate criticisms of US police today.

>>136463786
Call it a "social contract" then.

>>136455209
>>MUH ROADS

Yeah, those idiots think roads are needed. Everywhere is private property so there is nowhere they can go without paying tolls so roads are not needed.

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>>136457548
> A N C A P H A S N T B E E N T R I E D

Landing on mars in a treehouse hasn't been either. Just because it hasn't been tried doesn't mean it can't be mocked

>>136464177
im not joking even egoism has better grasp on how society would work without gov then u

b t w.....
>>136464064
answer!

>>136464064
With what resources?

I'm not sure you know the costs of just centrifuging enough plutonium.

>>136464162
Don't be more of a retard than you already are.

>>136464064
Good fucking luck constructing a large amount of nuclear weapons. Frankly, if you can amass that amount of resources then fuck it, the free market was right and it's time for humans to go.

Realistically nobody with the resources to build nuclear weapons actually plans on firing said nuclear weapons because it's a suicidal.

>>136464064
Nukes are expensive you fucking retard. I'm sure you're way too retarded to accumulate enough resources to ever do any damage to someone

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>>136464177

because no matter how shitty it is, youre still given a state appointed attorney as a right.

>>136464228
>roads are not needed

so ancaps have devised a way to teleport goods from point a to b?

>>136456220
He hasn't exactly put out any books, but I heard he was completely against government.

>>136455209
what are "checks and balances"?

>>136463605
>>136463694

anarchy is shit because it might end up back where were are?

JUST

>>136464064

>every reply is
>NUKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR RETARDS LIKE YOU

gg no re. you got them

>>136455209
>/Pol/
>Pol
>Po
>P

kill yourself shithead

>>136455209
Hundreds of millions of people who didn't consent to being born were born thanks to government redistribution programs and they would die if you instituted ancap.

>>136464332
>so ancaps have devised a way to teleport goods from point a to b?

Just go from point A to point B without roads, you fuck. Roads is just a meme to take money from us. Just use the field or either pay someone to do it for you.

>>136464412

because you have to literally tear everything down to get BACK to where we are. we're not complaining about the system. YOU PEOPLE ARE. and your fucking ideas lead in a circle

>>136459505
Private education is shit.

As an American surely you know that your grades are some of the least valuable?

A C grade here is an B-A grade there.
Public education is the only system that's sole purpose is quality, not profit.

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>>136463991
kek

>pay to send children to no-rape private school
>Armored convoy arrives every day to pick up my children
>Roadside bomb, convoy destroyed
>Illuminati charge me 10 Bitcoin for the video of my children being raped and sacrificed.
I love ancap

>>136464486
>Just trespass on someone else's property

Good to know ancaps only pretend to believe in private property :')

>>136464486

>Just go from point A to point B without roads, you fuck. Roads is just a meme to take money from us. Just use the field or either pay someone to do it for you.

how do you deliver PRODUCTS from point a-b, you vapid bitch?

>>136455209 (OP)
>>MUH ROADS

>Yeah, those idiots think roads are needed. Everywhere is private property so there is nowhere they can go without paying tolls so roads are not needed.