Was the Soviet Union actually a success? Would the Soviet Union

>>136453917
In terms of culture it would have been closer to the 50's in the US and Nazi Germany than to our multicultural utopia of 2017

>>136453917
seeing as it didn't even last to this day I'd have to go with no on both

>>136454046
but don't you think it collapsed because it was frozen out of existence by kike banking?

yeah they ate their kids and shit in the 20s but by the 80s it looked kind of comfy, poor but comfy.

>>136453917
there are several position ways to spin it

>>zero percent unemployment
>>guaranteed housing
>>strong national identity
>>death to degenerates


but there are issues. mostly with implementing these in a way that isn't a total fucking nightmare.

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post pictures of the USSR

>>136453917
>all of our marxist professor types, antfa types, SJW types, jew media/banker/politicians would be killed
>homogeneous society
>even though the USSR started all this shit
Are you retarded?

You read about class divide in the USSR and how that was such an indictment of it. As the political elite had their comfortable lives and drove around in Volga GAZs and got to eat fish and the rest had ladas and got a bit of sausage


the differences between the underclass and the political elite was really not that large

one got slightly better food, slightly better car, etc.

Not that big of a deal when you think about trading that off for a homogeneous society.


And there is talk about how everyone was miserable, this is only from everyone thinking their lives would be better if they had more stuff like in the west. We are probably more miserable today with so much more material possessions than people in the USSR in the 1970s/1980s.

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>>136454249
You don't know anything about communism do you?

>>136453917
Of course not, what kind of question is this? And they weren't as conservative as you'd like to think, ethnicity was irrelevant to the government. Look up movies like Circus from 1936 for example. Communism is inherently degenerate, it's been that way since it's inception, It's not a modern thing.

>>136454176
>zero percent unemployment
Zero percent unemployment meant that the government either created useless jobs or they put the jobless/homeless in jail for 'evading work'.
>guaranteed housing
Who told you this? There were no such thing (not in communist Hungary anyway)
>strong national identity
Unless you mean strong national identity for the Soviet Union, I don't get it. Strong national pride for your country was not welcomed.

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>>136454525
National (((socialist))) thinks he's an impartial source on communism.

Opinion denied.

My grandfather almost got sent to a gulag for being abducted by G*ermans, which is why I'm on this god-forsaken island.
I spit on the USSR's corpse.

The starving to death part seems kind of unpleasant.

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>>136453917
Of course a NS stormfag could only adore the soviet union.

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gwyHNo7MI

>>136454475
You honestly believe the communist government wouldn't jump at he chance to turn the workers into a retarded and rootless slave class (as opposed to the retarded and rootless consumer class of globalist capitalism)? The only reason they didn't was because they collapsed before they could, but things were already being pushed, state approved racemixing propaganda. Not to mention the fact that they forced thousands of Vietnamese into my country.

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>>136454792
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>>136454846
These pictures are less staged.

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>>136453917
>>136454145
>>136454228
>>136454475
>>136454525
>>136454746
You're not fooling anyone with that flag.

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>>136454899

>>136454145
The USSR economy was basically entirely reliant on oil. When the oil price crashed the soviet economy tanked. Modern Russia is still like 70% petroleum products I think. Shit economy

>>136453917
any commie/socialist society is doomed
simple reason is negative selection = best and brightest are punished, dregs are rewarded
totally non-darwinian and regressive
can only work using totalitarian terror

SU wasn't homogenous at all, many t*rkshitskins and assorted sandniggerkin out there

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>>136454879

>implying we do care about khokhols

Nothing wrong with it, they were dumb and useless

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>>136455021
>implying it was just hohols
>implying Russians didn't starve either
Also, Hohols are just Russians with an identity crisis.

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Threads like these are becoming routine on pol lately.

Commie/nazi/statist starts a thread shilling their retarded ideology.
Bunch of AnCaps and Libertarians arrive at the thread and BTFO the commies with facts, logic and history, the statists whine and cry and end up leaving the thread.

Pretty much exactly what happens to communist regimes in real life too. Sucks to be a statist.

You know how if you go to a rural Russian village it looks like some shitty middle aged village without the comfy aspect but instead muddy tire tracks? Thats not because it deteriorated after the soviets falls, its because thats what it like was over a century ago when the soviets first took power. And it never grew. Cherrypick city pictures all you want commie, compare the average commie to the average 1st world country and see what you get.

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Marxist professors are leading us into that kind of society you dumbass.

>>136455277

>Thats not because it deteriorated after the soviets falls

it actually is, we were fucked up in 90`s

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>>136453917
>>homogeneous society

yes, thx, now 26.9% of my country's population is this kind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAlLXeN0Iu0

>/pol/ claims these 'people' are White

>>136454879
>>136454899
>>136454924
>>136455121


did this sort of thing exist after the 1950s though?

>>136455420
thank you for posting this document of slavic culture

>>136455420

Кaк дoмa пoбывaл, eбaниcь

>>136455542
Life was still shit, and this damage had already been done. I mean, if you think it was worth the millions of dead Russians, Ukrainians, etc, then sure. Most of us aren't insane, though, and don't think that.

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>>136455279
>Marxist professors are leading us into that kind of society you dumbass.

You have no source for that quote because he never said that. It's a fake quote.

>>136453917
>The USSR was a success
>Can't even afford to put the car on the police car on straight
L A R P F A G
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>>136455542

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassk_massacre

>>136454145
>start running entire country exactly how the kikes want the world to be run
>they punish you
ah no, that is not credible.

>>136455722
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassk_massacre


A riot where 62 people were killed is a little bit different than people eating their kids

>>136455775
the USSR was started by kikes, they ate their kids when the kikes were in power, then they started killing all the kikes and then the society started looking much more normal after that

hmmm...

communism is for insects not men.

>>136453917
if it were a success, it would still be here.

>>136455788

>The riots were a direct result of shortages of food and provisions

May i remind you that this was in 1962 when the socialism was supposed to be in full swing. They just fielded the KGB against MUH WORKERS and straight up gunned them down.

>>136455788
Again, the fact that people have to eat their kids before the "progress" can be made is in itself good enough reason to despise it.

>>136454228
>being so poor you have to buy off brand letters

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>>136455870
yes but the mere fact that one thing happens after another thing is not evidence of causality.

that's like the worst logical fallacy on the list.

surely you can think of a better way to remove all the coincidences from the halls of power. lord knows we have already explained it to you (pic related) and even gotten started applying what we know (bitcoin)

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>>136453917
of course not. USSR betrayed everyone, both Marxist, as it was not even real socialism putting proletariat under authoritarian rule of bureaucracy and it betrayed capitalist/libertarian ideas been authoritarian state. USSR didn't fulfill anyone dreams and its reformation was logical and inevitable.

>>136453969
>In terms of culture it would have been closer to the 50's in the US
pls. Core of US culture was personal freedom in USSR you couldn't even go to another city without your janitors approval or have party in you house without neighbors approval because you live in the communal apartment. Soviet people had ants mindset and 'culture".

>>136454475
>and the rest had ladas
AHAHA. Pls. Rest had bus. USSR had minuscule automobilization rate like 5 car per 1000 people. Personal cars were things from movies fro common people.

>>136453917
>toilet paper was a luxury item
>fruits were a luxury item
>having a car meant you were someone special
>getting a florescent marker or some crayons from west Berlin made you the envy of your class
>Clothing or boots from Germany was mind blowing quality compared to anything communist produced
>line up to get bread
>Getting hold of a watermelon for the family is like some kind of amazing thanksgiving treat

Real utopia.
Chernobyl literally happened because or communism.

>>136456514
Remember that the reason why gopniki wear tracksuits is because Adidas was seen as luxury too.

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There's a good Russian show about life in the USSR in 1961, it's on Netflix and it's called Fartsa. It's about the black market and how they sell Western clothing, music etc. to Russians at exorbitant prices, because it was banned back then. Really interesting show, all the actors are blonde hair blue eyed, not a single minority not even a churka on screen, and it makes 1960s Moscow look really comfy, almost exactly like the US in the 60s, with just a lot more police presence and rules. I highly recommend it.

Here's a trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y13BbUGdPC4

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>We had NOTHING.
>t. an elderly acquittance who was a doctor for military

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>>136453917
Change you flag (((nazbol))) lefty/pol/ kike shill

>>136453917
Simply bringing back the NEP after Stalin died would have fixed pretty much every problem the USSR had.

>>136457486
>NEP
Not compatible with Marxism by definition it is like suggesting for Christians to acknowledge that there is no God but commandments are still good idea.. And if you reject Marxism there are no reasons to not go full Capitalism mode what eventually happen after every attempts "needs more marxism" failed.

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>>136456279
>USSR betrayed everyone, both Marxist...
what a bullshit. USSR was as marxist as possible. Communism is not an idea to make proletariat lives better, It's all about creating authoritarian state which will let communists rule forever by propaganda and terror. But the only way for it to last forever is to get rid of borders, which means creating one global country. Funny thing is globalist, who happen to be communists are after getting rid of borders. I'll let that sink in

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>>136457989
>USSR was as marxist as possible.
Nope. Marxism implies dictatorship of proletariat during transnational period before state is dissolved. Soviet proletariat was disarmed, removed from authority positions and kept in ignorance about state of affairs in the USSR (all relevant economical, social and political information was secret). Exact opposite of what Marx suggested, Great Soviet Perversion.

In true Marxist state like in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative worker directly take place in the management , there are should be no professional managers class, or police class. As they are parasites of capitalists society who produce no added value, only workers do. But USSR dissolved into class society with proletariat working, bureaucracy ruling and mercenaries enforcing bureaucracy ruling.

>>136458708
how do you imagine "dictatorship of proletariat" in practice? Isn't it like... democracy?

Other thing is it doesn't matter what your goals are, what matters is the effect of your actions. Creating communist society is only possible after revolution and the slaughter of bourgeoises becouse no sane capitalist will give all his wealth by peace. The revolution wont only devour capitalists but politicians and every opposition as well, which will allow to set up authoritarian communist government becouse there'll be noone else to rule or oppose. Thing like disarming of societety is just a mean to maintain power. Communism can't be achived by peace(democratic way) becouse every left ideology is an economic disaster and will end with protests and revolution, that's why communists need terror and gulags. USSR and North Korea is as communist as possible in any different way it would collapse.

At least there was a sense of country and unity. Things weren't all bad I assume

>>136460626
Country and unity means nothing when you're starving and have to eat your children.

>>136454926
to be fair that hasn't really changed...

Communism is good on paper, but a shitty concept in real life

>>136453917
No. They're behind no-fault divorce and international women's day and were very pro-multicultural. Commies are bad, always. Sage.

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>>136460626
My country had all that going on before we got invaded and our nationalists and most productive members of the society in general ('kulaks') got shot or deported.

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I have a question, if commy russia was jews
>I believe it was jews, but at the same time, it seems they plenty of low tier bussiness/land owning jews very unhappy of the commy procedures, thus making them leave russia and finally imigrating to israel and together with the german zionist be some of the most hardcore zionist jews and forge the israel state

And US was jews, then what the fuck whas the war fought between us and russia around the world for territory collonies and resources?

Something doesn't fit in the autism puzzle. I mean US jews where sionist for sure, but russia... what about them in the midle east and hm fighting the jews? Something is fishy here please explain.

The Soviet Union was the subversion of Russia by foreigners. Jews, Staline, ukrainians fucking shit, etc...

>>136457329
I like that cat.

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>>136453969
Oh ya goyim! The US Totally had minefields to keep their subjects IN and were shot if caught escaping.

>>136454792
Good point.

The Soviet Union should have been dismantled by the 1950s, but you can't expect that one and only party would betray itself and invite others to govern. See: Vietnam, Cuba, China.

Trotsky would have tried to overthrow everything in his reach at least, France could have been turned commie, then India, more meddling in Latin America. That's something. Soviet commies are plain boring. Oh pls respect us, mr. capitalist.

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>>136464010
nobody solving the autism puzzle? jewmunists vs jewusa?

>>136455662
You're britcucks, looking at the state of your country it's clear that you're insane.

>>136455197
/pol/ have always been natsocs. Commies anarchists and lolbergtardians all have one thing in common: they don't give a fuck about preserving the future of their race

>>136454786
>implying this isn't a shillpost

>>136456232
The kike has been a plague on everything from the beginning. The way to defeat him is to not play his game but instead exterminate him like the rat he is

>>136457989
Every ideology that wants borders gone or globalism is a shit one

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>>136464010
USSR was taken from the Jews for awhile by Stalin. He was never supposed to take over (((trotsky))) was. Now Stalin wasn't a good guy at all and basically did the same thing the kikes did but the kikes were pissed that a lot of the power in the USSR was held by randoms for their own personal gain rather than kikes for the purpose of globalism

Also pic related. The Jews always create multiple ideologies that pretend to fight eachother and give an illusion of choice but ultimately lead to the same place

>>136467358
>borders

borders arethe imaginary separation from 2 villages
Nationalism comes from the Noble owning the land, and it's peasants living in it, in his castle/walls
So to say, we have to pay Mr. Noble man for deffending us from invasions, with grain, labour, our lifes and death during battle... and the virginity of our women when we marry

I for one say, fuck Mr. nobleman, this is our village, we will have our own, alliances will be made with the next village as they are most likely our brothers, so we won't need walls, and when the invasors come, we will sound the horn, and people from all the villages around will gather, to deffend our glorious homeland, but still
cough (((Mr. Noble man)))

>>136467838
oh the final part
>what's ur ideology breh?
>let's genocide eachother
>never mind (((those other guys)))

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>>136468165
forgot the sick pic

>>136454145
The country was literally invented and run by jews you dirty kike.

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>>136453917
No it wasn't

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>>136468165
oh yes borders are bad we're all equal and have each other best interests in mind

>>136472370
jew racemixing inmigration importing into the west is real but
>my neighbour is my enemy
>never mind (((those other guys)))

stay bluepilled faggot

>>136453917
OP is German.

>>136472742
well, i'm glad that there's a guarded border between us and these >>136455420 subhumans. not all 'white' ethnic groups are equal and mixing them together can be genetic degradation.

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>>136460231
>how do you imagine "dictatorship of proletariat" in practice?
Everyone must work on productive job, factory or field. Only those jobs are paying off. Those who don't work on productive jobs literally don't eat. Management, policing and country defense are done by proletariat parallel to their jobs during spare time. Governing and management is directly done by workers committees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hig4zwidQV4
>inb4 CEO job is more important and produces more value than job of 1000 workers

>>136473400
I understand your claim, you are glad, and with the shit that is going on, I don't blame you, it's hard to turn poverty and missery into possitive inmigration, and most of the times, the best answer is fuck off we are full, and already fucked as we currently are

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>>136453917
it was okay
it just lost the competition to the part of the world that combined had 3-5 times the population, 50 times the money and all of the technology

if East and West were close in the amounts of resources they commanded, quality of life would have been pretty similar.

instead, it was was it was. yeas it was a succes, but it couldn't forever compete with a hostile society half an order of magnitude more powerful on average by any metric

>>136473690
Sounds like a recipe for corruption and stagnation, Ivan.

>>136460231
I know
>but that's not real communism
is a meme here, but it really is true. There HAVE been multiple attempts (honest and dishonest) by various individuals to proceed to communism, and yes every attempt following the Marxist doctrine does involve and condone violence, since violence is the ultimate equalizer and the ultimate ingrained right of a person. Violence is condoned against what is seen as a tyrannical society, any form of government is seen as tyrannical, nobody, without your explicit consent (birth in an area does not count) can hold any form of power over you. Of course cooperation through communions or 'soviets' is possible to maximize efficiency.

The naivety comes in when the only way to transition a society into communism, where each is his own master based on his own productivity, is that all sectors of life must, for a 'transitional period' be collectivized and given to an absolute authority. This is where Marx just took an easy way out and called in a dues ex machina on his ideology. This is where all socialist/communist revolutions get stuck.

The USSR was marxist in that it followed its philosophy up to a point, before perverting itself into a bureaucratic empire, with a half-heartted and disrupted (WW2, industrialization inadequacies, rivalry with half of the world led by industrialized empires) societal transformation.

It was all a lie, and when the gun barrels of the state organs were pointed away people revealed their true selves.

>>136454863
This. It was already coming, its just unlike here, your ass wouldn't be shitposting about it on the internet and any riots against it would be dealt with KGB death squads. Russians were more open to racemixing/foreigners during USSR (technically had to appear to be, but private life didn't exist so it made no difference) than today.

FUCKING
NO

Every single thing I hear about communism and post communist Poland from family is absolutely awful.

>>136474381
So why did it import so much food from us?

>>136474381

If nazis won ww2 and cold war was about Germany vs America, it would be an entirely different game.

>>136477213
> poland
there's your problem
they're just bitter they live in a country Stalin has given them and pretend that they'd "resist" if they were in their parents' shoes

classic Poland. silly "nation", petty people, nice German architecture.

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>>136477319
all went into industry
once they've built homes for 300 million people in 10 years, caought up in the nuke race and prevented the deaths of millions, beat the whole combined West to space they still found themselves under siege from countries an order of magnitude more powerful

could have went farming instead, but somebody must have figured out that you can't eat irradiated bread while living in a twice bombed-out ww2+"ww3" ruins

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>>136453917
1) Yes, but there were triators among ruling elute
2) Yes, if it would have done a lot of modernization

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>>136477426
literally every single soviet related thing in poland was garbage, starting with the buildings that were made after the germans.

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>>136477803
Funny because I read that the worst (real) genocide in human history was committed by the Soviets against the Ukrainians, whose soil was so fertile that it could have fed the entire world...

>>136453917

I would rather live in the USSR than this shit hole.

Gorbachov is a traitor, and he needs be hung by the neck, until he is dead, dead, dead.

>>136478110
> starting with the buildings that were made after the germans.
..and ending with the Polish government
yeah I know
Poles aren't exactly the best resource to werk with, but we all are what we are. And never forget, there's nothing non-Soviet related in the whole of Poland. It could have been Greater Germany or Greater Ukraine SSR. It's only called Poland because Stalin made it so

>>136454899

Was caused by western sanctions.

>>136478110

What did Germans build?

>>136478729
The "Soviet" Space Program.

>>136454563
>not in communist Hungary anyway
Which brings up another issue. There were basically slave states propping up the Soviet Union and it failed anyway

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>>136453917
>soviet union
>homogenous racially
Topkek

>>136478358
cut down on fiction and start reading history
Ukraine wasn't the only country with the famine or economic troubles in the late 30es

Phlillipines, for example, saw real intentional atrocities around that time I think

>>136478882
Well, at least neither Korovel nor Tsuolkovsky before him was a "Vernor"

>>136479218
It would be interesting to an argument from the Russian government about how the sky is actually green, not blue.

Whether the 7 to 10 million deaths in a single country, Ukraine, were deliberately murdered or the communists were so incompetent at planning an economy doesn't make a difference to those people in the end. Even under the Russian czars, Ukraine was a major exporter of food, but under the Soviets, they needed to import food!

>all of our marxist professor types, antfa types, SJW types, jew media/banker/politicians would be killed
lmao they literally had race-mixing programs at east and south.

>>136479449
I'm not saying that Russia didn't have rocket scientists, however Russia did get the first people into space by taking the Nazi rocket scientists from Berlin.

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>>136479484
It doesn't make a difference only when you're arguing on the internet. People on the receiveing end of a genocide of the sort Anglos were perpetrating during the holodomor times would've probably chosen to live a few months longer.

As to soviets being incompetent, it isn't a surprize, they're fucking workers and farmers turner rulers, olmost overwhelmingly. What's surprising is communism enabled them to fight the entire Western civilization (former Russian elite included) almost to a standstill.

People bred into power, with all the money in the world, with all the science, technology, with half the world turned into a colony, were scared shitless of a country built from scratch and run by a bunch of workers and farmers and former small-time gangsters

why? communism.

no I wouldn't have wanted to live like that because I'm almost middle class
but at least I'm not denying the obvious, that it's an alright way to run a country, especially when you're an underdog with half the world against you.

>>136479827
Russia took mid-level engineers and blueprints. All higher-ups and key names like Von Braun were similarly used by the West. spoins of war weren't split equally here either, and, well, Tsyolkovsky Equation isn't just called that because he was just some Goddard-tier enthusiast "rocket scentist".

>>136480179
>>136480478
Ok, thanks for your thoughtful responses. Peace.

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>>136480552
almost glad to fill in the gaps in whatever passes for history books in the good ol' US of A

>>136453917
I'm not actually a fan of killing people with opposing opinions. It's a good way to keep yourself honest but this new generation of leftist could go. The loud obnoxious ones. Every liberal isn't represented by them though. Most of the closer to center liberals can't stand the leftist nazis though. I've talked to a few of the life long liberals I know and they're really pissed about about the social media situation. They understand how dangerous it is. So to see them killed off would be a shame.

>>136477803
Fun fact: soviets had no way to measure GNP, as their value units (prices) were arbitrary numbers reflecting Party's opinion.