Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded

He literally just hated communism that much.

>>136362536
I don't know if this movie is cucked or not. It depicts German soldiers as normal guys but at the end they shoot the nazi commander and defect. It also heavily plays on the whole "those commie russians are just like us ;_;" shit

>>136362536
Easy. Oil fields in the caucuses was literally the entire point of Stalingrad.

>>136362536
>Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia?

Because they were preparing to invade him but would not be ready till ~1941-1942 so Hitler and the German command decided to gamble an early preemptive invasion of their own and caught the red army with its pants down.

>>136362536
>>136362648
He hated communism, but I think the primary reason was oil. When the Soviets advanced Hitler began running out of oil, thats why 'merica could advance that easily. Germany was basically cucked after the blitzkrieg because almost everything was gone by that point.

>>136362536
Hitler knew England, and U.S. were planning on getting rid of him. So he struck first.

Both were expansionist authoritarian regimes that would never coexist in the long run. The Nazis rose to power partially on anti-Bolshevism, so the USSR had to go sooner or later, as the people very much didn't like the leftist uprisings earlier in Germany, and also saw the bad things in like Ukraine. The Marxist ideology of the USSR was also internationalist, so eventually Germany had to become commie as well. Plus Lebensraum and stuff, but the sooner the Germans invaded the better for them as the Russians were still recovering from the purges and rearming and stuff.

>>136362648
>tfw if (((Americans))) didn't love communism so much we could have defeated the eternal Anglo.

>>136362680

There is a little bit of that I noticed. All and all it gives them more humanity than any other Hollywood WWII movie. In Dunkirk they do not even show the Germans that captured the british pilot, and they barely even shown the Luftwaffe, even though they shot down alot of British planes.

Stalingrad just captured the futility and despair of being trapped by the horrible conditions of the Russian winter.

>>136362905
>tfw Reds dropped their pants later in Ostpreußen

>>136362536
>Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia?
Why don't you hear it from the man himself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

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>>136362536
russia was in (((their))) hands after their successfull coup against the tsar
>The destruction of the Soviet Union by military force, the permanent elimination of the perceived Communist threat to Germany, and the seizure of prime land within Soviet borders for long-term German settlement had been core policy of the Nazi movement since the 1920s.

>>136362536

Bolsheviks were killing and raping innocent people dangerously close to his territories

Russia didnt sign the Geneva convention until 1949, they were basically a rampaging horde of slavs

>>136362536
The thing that i don't understand , is how did Hitler underestimate his troops so immensely. And the argument that "it was cold" , isnt one, due to having napoleon's example.

>>136363062
You retarded CSA rebel this was not a production of Hollywood and if you knew anything about WWII history you'd know the primary reason was oil you Dixie dick eating redneck homo.

>>136363012
If we backed Nazi Germany they would've invaded us too and fucked us over. Plus the UK would declare war on us. Why fight brother wars?

>>136362536
Oil. Russia was the closest oil rich country and Germany had very little fuel. Germany was forced to use lots of donkeys and horses for transport for this reason.
Everything is literally about that black gold.

>>136362536
The russians had already planned to invade Germany and then the rest of Europe--I shit you not. German intelligence got word and they decided it would be best to Blitz them before all the troops and supplies had accumulated at their border

>>136362536
At the time, invading Russia seemed simple judging from the Russian attempts to invade Finland. Hitler severely underestimated the Russian industry and potential manpower, thinking they could organise around 100-200 divisions, instead this number was 500 divisions. He also thought that the Russian railways were the same as in Germany, and little new infrastructure would have to be developed in order to supply the frontlines, but they didn't, thus creating a logistical nightmare

>>136362536
baisically this >>136362813
oil, romanian and then caucasus
germany didn't have the means to power the war machine without that

>>136362536
Hitler would have done anything for Germany, attacking Soviet Union would have secured enough resources for Germany to be unbeatable in European theater of war. He wrote in his book that he though a race to survive it either had to be as big and as resourceful as Russia, USA or many colonies like UK. He even wrote about possible alliance between Russia and Germany against UK if Germany would decide to challenge British colonial supremacy. Since Russia was communist and Germany was already crippled naval power it did not seem possible. This is what is my interpretation of Mein Kampf

>>136363325
Awright, why enrage your good friends and colonial masters. Explains why you stick with the royal measurement system :^)

>>136362536
he literally saved the world from the commies

>>136363233
It wasn't the cold.

It was the mud.

Communism and natso. couldn't co exist since hitler hated commnuism. I really don't know how much truth there is in the lebensraum version where he wanted to exterminate everyslav. But i'm pretty sure most historians agree that he did want russia for "lebensraum" where he could grow crops and have germans live in. They also needed the oil that russia had.

But then you also have versions like, russia was going to invade germany, and it was a pre emptive strike, etc. But I don't think any big and respected historian agrees with that theory. You can blame the jews and what not, and say that they can't really tell the truth. But I trust someone like anthony beever or sönke neitzel (just named 2 to use as an example), rather than some conspiracy video on youtube made with unreliable sources

>>136362536
Ignoring the soviet expansionism that happened before the war, there was a minor ideological dispute between jewish communism and the German national socialist government. The soviets may or may not have been gearing up for an invasion of europe.

>>136362536
Simply, people are incorrect when they say Hitler did nothing wrong. Invading the USSR before taking over western europe was a wrong move, it was his most costly mistake

>>136362536
because he needed material for war against the americans

and of course the hatred for communism helped that invasion

>>136362680
>It depicts German soldiers as normal guys but at the end they shoot the nazi commander

How is that cucked, do you really think the Wehrmacht-Soldiers were literally fighting to the last man?
I actually live in a village which is full of old greves of both sowjet and nazi soldier in the woods and there are still some people old people around who either witnessed shit first-hand or were told by their parents.

One of the graves that told to one of old villagers about is that of a wounded Wehrmacht-Deserter. Apparently he ran into some sowjet patrol while fleeing west. Since the Sowjets couldnt be arsed to treat his legwound they just shot him in the middle of a cropfield. Later on some of the villagers buried him.

Ironically enough the grave is only 200 metres away from that of a sowjet deserter who got shot some weeks later when he was found by a different sowjet patrol fleeing east.

>>136362648

Communism is not true reason. Just like democracy isn't either.

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There is factual evidence that stalin was planning an invasion of western europe.
Hitler knew this and decided to attack first.
Some believe he saved all of europe from commie russia with that move but it cost him his own victory.

>>136362536
manlet rage

He invaded USSR because it was his function. I mean THEY created him for this - he had no choice.

>>136364435
How has that stopped the Bolsheviks? Half of Europe is controlled by commie Jews now.

Stupid people believe in regimes.

Defeating Soviets wins war for Germany. Winning war = commanding the world.

Assuring commodities, assuring military power.

Pushing US from every border, dismantling its trade.

>>136362813
>>136362919

Nope.

Stalingrad was the important hub of the South, You don't need Stalingrad to go to the oil fields. In fact part of the reason they hesitated was because of the delays in gathering additional forces to continue the operation, that changed goals twice. Not sure if it was Hitler's fault but the end result was that the delay gave enough time for the Russians to prepare the defenses.

>>136363167
It was the core doctrine of German Imperialism since late 19th to early 20th century. Nazis didn't pioneer such thoughts, they merely applied them.

>>136364730

Control trade = establish reserve currency = rule the world.

>>136363469
It's like asking Russia asking Germany to fight Austria

>>136364092
Normally I'd agree but they painted that nazi commander to be a literal asshole in the movie, shooting little kids and punching POWs for no reason. It just seems kind of one-sided to portray someone that way, no doubt every war has its shitheads but why did they have to kill him?

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>>136364857
The day might come when we have to put Germany out of its misery. But it's not because we hate them.

>>136364769
They needed Stalingrad to take the fields. Like you said it was the hub of the South. They couldn't advance into the cacauses without having logistical support and defenses from an occupied city like Stalingrad.

How would they take the oil fields and defend them if they left Stalingrad alone?

>>136362813
The Germans had already captured most oil fields in the area and cut pipelines to the north.

They wanted to destroy industry there and to cut the Persian Corridor to deny lend lease materiel.

>>136363233
The German flanks were manned by Hungarians who were shit. Soviets didn't have a chance against the Germans so they just attacked the Hungarian flanks to cut off the 6th army in Stalingrad.

>>136362680
at that point they'd been left to die
>>136362536
and to Op at the time it seemed like a completely logical thing to do, every country and their respective spy networks believed that germany was guaranteed to win "kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down" was widely believed

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Some people still believe WW1 started just because of .....

>>136362536
Because Britain defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and Hitler thought that the only reason the British didn't make peace with him was because they were hoping the Gommies would attack the Nazis from the East. So Hitler figured that if he preemptively attacked the Soviets and defeated them, the Brits would lose hope. He certainly would have defeated the Soviets if he had just let his Generals do their thing, but Hitler was an absolute dunce at Grand strategy, so the Nazis lost.

>>136364699
Because it exhausted the soviet forces severely without them there would have been nothing at all blocking the soviets from going all the way to Brittany and Gibraltar.

>>136363251

>>136363325

You think? The entire fucking movie was German you faggot, I am well aware the movie isn't a Hollywood productiion. I was just comparing it to the other Hollywood tier WWII movies that never portray Nazis in any kind of positive light, you nigger loving yankee cuck. Kys.

>>136365300
Where can I read more about this?

>>136365300
the hungarians were shit but the germans knew this and they knew they werent properly equipped with anti-tank means

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>>136365814
read this, really well written

>>136365990
Danke Australian

>>136365182

It was matter of choice. Take the fields or take the city. Either choice would present it's own advantages and disadvantages. The issue was that time and manpower constraints meant that a choice was imperative. Take the city first and wait for the next summer to move on to the oil fields or take the oil fields and immediately deal a several blow to Russian mechanized operations while possibly (the fields are captured intact) even get that much needed fuel for your badly depleted stocks.

Don't take what i said literally as the fact, i added some of my own theory crafting and deduction.

>>136365690
I think you're being a little unfair, there were other factors in the failure of the Germans in the east besides besides Hiler meddling in the strategy, i don't know what exactly he interfered with there. The main factors to the failure of the wehrmach were delayed start of the invasion due to italy in the balkans, weather, logistics and underestimating the soviet capabilities.

>base literally your entire rise to power calling out communism
>wtf why did he invade communists

>>136366135
*severe

>>136365300
The German flags were manned by poorly supplied Hungarians and Romanians with little to no AT and anything but Bolt Action Rifles, the German High command did not supply them with anything in terms of weapons and they were lucky if they got some German rations and munitions. The German high command knew this but still went ahead with it even though Romanian and Hunarian recon were reporting Soviet armored build up across the river

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>>136364699
the ideology is still alive,yes.
Cant say the same about the soviet union and the red army thanks to uncle Adolf...

>>136365990
Thats a good book. Well sourced.

>>136365068
This is kind of poetic..

>>136366337
You should come to Vienna on 8th of may. Vienna cucks are literally celebrating being raped by Soviets.

>>136365735
whyd you quote me i actually live in georgia

>>136366195
Tbf the way Hitler structured his upper command, with no direct second in command was a double edged sword. It mean't no direct successor ergo less likelyhood of an assassimation attempt while the elites would vry for control, power and influence by impressing him.

On the other hand it meant a messy af chain of command where Hitler had to have the final say and sometimes the Eastern Front could be waiting days for a response only for Hitler to say 'no' to his generals strategy that could have maybe worked. I.e he declined a breakout to the Sixth Army.

>>136365182
They had already captured the Rostov oil fields to the south. Stalingrad is to the east of the caucus oil. The Germans wanted to take Stalingrad because there was Soviet industry there and the majority of lend lease materiel came up through the Persian corridor and shipped up the Volga to Stalingrad

>>136362536
they invaded because the soviets were at their weakest point, and the two countries could never realistically coexist for long. It's better to finish your enemy off when he's unprepared rather than wait for him to regain his strength.

>>136365735
Well then learn to craft sentences properly you Nascar loving, PBR drinking, sister fucking, loser-traitor.

>>136362536
There were multiple reasons.

Hitler felt the Molotov Ribbentrop pact was tenuous at best and believed that the Russians would step up their aggression. He suspected that the Russians were planning an invasion of their own (this in itself is often the discussion of much debate in academic/military history communities).

The Germans also recognized that the Soviet military was relatively weak at this point in time. Despite their massive manpower and their huge air force, they were completely unorganized thanks to Stalin's purges and were in the middle of a complete reorganization.

Also Hitler fucking hated bolsheviks.

It is almost universally considered to be a preemptive strike at an inevitable soviet push west like they tried in Finland and Poland

>>136366829
The majority of Land lease made it's way through the arctic. I'm pretty sure of it. For any land lease to make it's way to the Caucus, it would have to go past neutral Turkey, which makes no sense.

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>>136362536

He saw the USSR as a major threat to his ideals because they were, as he saw it, a barbarian race ruled over by evil jews. Basically a super villian.

Also, Russia was supplying over half of Germanys oil and was rich in natural resources. Even today, Europe gets most of its natural gas from Russia.

Most importantly, Hitlers whole utopia was a completely independent and self sufficient Germany and wanted russian territory for his thousand year empire.

want to know anything more, just ask

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uwot

>>136362536
In the secretly recorded finnish tape where Hitler speaks in a private train, he says something about the Soviets and Molotov forcing his hand into an invasion. Something about troop deployments.

I've been curious about this for years, but never got an answer to what he was talking about.

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>>136362648
Yeah thats why he allied with Stalin and conducted joint military operations in 1939.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk

Both Stalin and Hitler wanted a Pan-European empire made of Western European industrial base and Eastern European space and resources. Together they removed troublesome states in between by 1940 but both knew what the other empire wants in the end - both halves of Europe. Hitler attacked first because his empire was in its peak and Stalin just purged the army. Stalin won and he would have taken Lisbon by 1946 if it hadnt been for the US Army and nukes, which gave Stalin quite a scare in 1945 (stalin only got his bomb by 1949 and its no fyn when the other side has them too)

>>136367118
The Soviets got 16 million tons of shit from the US, 12 million tons of it came up through the corridor

>>136366703
That's true, the krauts were not the most efficient in most things. Yea not allowing the 6th army to retreat from stalingrad was just as autistic as stalins not one one step back bullshit, then again i'd say the war was lost already at that point.

>>136365990

great book and a must read for anyone who wants a good understanding of the eastern front

>>136362536

Germany was at war with UK and leftovers of France, Germany was vulnerable to a USSR attack and saw it's self as stronk.
USSR was communist, so a natural enemy.
Hitler was an imperialist as well.

Those are the 3 reasons.

>>136367230
Russia was lining it's troops up to invade Europe after they had been weakened by war. Germany had to strike preemptively, before the Russians were ready.

Literally everyone knew Russia was gonna do it.

>>136367252

Thank god FDR died before Potsdam. He was a fucking cuck who was getting 4D chess played on him by Stalin and would have probably given up all of europe to him.

>>136366307
flanks*

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>>136367320
Give me pasta anon.

>>136362536

>"20 minutes no rush k?"
>starts building a tower push outside your expansion
>opponent is literary Stalin
>Hitler hates (((Bolsheviks)))
>White Russians begging for help against their genociders
>Cossaks literally being genocided. Antisemitism illegal

Stalin was 100% planning on building up huge numbers of tanks, planes, and disposable men and zerg rushing across the north european plain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy

>>136363233
It wasn't the cold. Oh sure, a lot of men freezed. My Opa did and almost had to have his foot amputated. He survived fortunately. Rather it was the mud that came with the late fall and early winter that stopped it. German army was actually within spitting distance of Moscow in 1941, so close that soviets were marching in the red square from their barracks right to the front. It was the mud that stopped Germany, and that's because they were delayed to save Italian fuck ups in yugoslavia

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>>136367529
maybe gommunism would have shielded them from cultural marxism and millions of muslims niggers like us xd

>>136362536
>hatred for marxism
>loves to conquer
>Russia has large amount of oil to further fuel the Reich.
>Distrust
Hitler needed to invade Russia, it was crucial. He was very close and if he succeeded things may be very different. Several nations had to band together on two separate fronts to defeat Germany.
Hitler admired Britain. And needed them intact to actually control Europe and its colonies.

>>136366307

Also the only Geman panzer division sent to defend the northen flank lost most of it's tank before the battle do to rats eating the cables.

>>136367621
Nigger learn to read. I was questioning the land lease material coming trough the Caucus. Not that it came at all or that it didn't matter.

This >>136362813
Oil in the caucasus region

>>136367567
The Allied supply efforts were enormous. The Americans alone delivered over 16.3 million tonnes to the Soviets during the war, via three routes, including Arctic convoys of World War II to the ports of Murmansk and Archangelsk. Also, Soviet shipping carried supplies from the west coast of the United States and Canada to Vladivostok in the Far East, since the Soviet Union was not at war with Japan at that time (until August 1945). The Persian Corridor was the route for 4,159,117 long tons (4,225,858 metric tonnes) of this cargo. However, this was not the only allied contribution via the Persian Corridor. About 7,900,000 long tons (8,000,000 metric tonnes) of shipborne cargo from Allied sources were unloaded in the Corridor, most of it bound for the USSR.


Murmansk and Vladivostok were far away from the bulk of the action in the Eastern Front which was centered in the south and into Ukraine. The corridor was closest to the action.

>>136368100

Danke.

>>136362536

The USSR was gearing up to invade the rest of Europe, starting with Germany. Communists started violent uprisings in Germany in 1918, as well as Hungary, Romania, Poland, etc. The USSR attempted to invade and annex Poland in 1921. It also did the same to Finland in the Winter War and Continuation War. Polish communists, allied with the Soviets, led the slaughter of 50,000+ ethnic Germans in Poland, which was the main reason Germany invaded Poland.

Stalin was massing troops on the Russian border in preparation for an invasion of Europe (fun fact: Germany had trouble getting decent maps of Russia because the Russian troops they defeated just had maps of the European countries they intended to invade); Hitler had to not only knock out the Soviet threat before they had their forces ready for invasion, he also needed to secure the oil fields in Ukraine if he wanted fuel for his military. Germany had a chronic fuel shortage throughout the war due to lack of access to oil.

>>136365051

you mean shit that they actually did?

inb4 "nazis dindu nuffin! I know because this neonazi youtube video said so!"

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>>136362536
Tod der Marxisimus!

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>>136368466
>It also did the same to Finland in the Winter War and Continuation War

This was part of their deal with the Nazis.

>Polish communists, allied with the Soviets, led the slaughter of 50,000+ ethnic Germans in Poland, which was the main reason Germany invaded Poland.

this didnt happen and it wasnt even the official propaganda reason the nazis gave to justify their invasion

>>136363325

WHO would have invaded us? Not a single country on the planet was capable of doing so, which is why America became a superpower: our industry and population were completely untouchable, so we could keep cranking out tanks, planes, and troops until the enemy died of exhaustion.

Germany didn't even have the means to invade Britain, much less cross the Pacific, face the might of the US navy, and invade a country the size of a continent.

>Army Group South was selected for a sprint forward through the southern Russian steppes into the Caucasus to capture the vital Soviet oil fields there. The planned summer offensive was code-named Fall Blau (Case Blue). It was to include the German 6th, 17th, 4th Panzer and 1st Panzer Armies. Army Group South had overrun the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1941. Poised in Eastern Ukraine, it was to spearhead the offensive.

>Hitler intervened, however, ordering the Army Group to split in two. Army Group South (A), under the command of Wilhelm List, was to continue advancing south towards the Caucasus as planned with the 17th Army and First Panzer Army. Army Group South (B), including Friedrich Paulus's 6th Army and Hermann Hoth's 4th Panzer Army, was to move east towards the Volga and Stalingrad. Army Group B was commanded initially by Field Marshal Fedor von Bock and later by General Maximilian von Weichs.[14]:915

I think I have discovered an instance of Hitler doing something wrong.

>>136362536
Very very simplified: Russia was amassing troops and military equipment at the border and was planning to enter the war on the side of the allies. Germany's intelligence knew about his since 1940. The entire attack against the Soviet Union was a pre-emptive measure that was initially very successful. Some of the secret Politburo speeches are a good point to start looking into it.

>>136363325
This was one of the propaganda lies that got Americans into the war. The entire invasion fear was utterly absurd and not even plausible. But Roosevelt kept repeating the lie.

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>>136368882
>WHO would have invaded us?
Implying the unchecked immigration from Mexico isn't exactly what the Germans told them to do in the Zimmermann telegram....
Fucking newfags

>>136369163
>This was one of the propaganda lies that got Americans into the war.

No, Pearl Harbor and Hitler declaring war on us is what got us into the war

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>>136368863
>this didnt happen and it wasnt even the official propaganda reason the nazis gave to justify their invasion


no dude if you were redpilled you would know we gassed 6 gorillion Germans in polish death camps and thats why hitler dindu nuffin.

And Germans didnt have propaganda and never lied - only the allies had propaganda- biggest redpill.

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>>136368466

And USA, UK basically handed Europe in a silver platter to the soviets. The allies meant well but they were utterly wrong when it came to choosing the lesser of two evils.

And now we are paying the bill for that.

>>136369356
the amount of supplies and what your merchant navy or whatever it was called suggests that you were in the war long before you made it official

>>136369356
I said one of the. And it WAS one of the reasons why America had basically already been at war with Germany since 1940. The fear the invasion propaganda instilled into Americans since 1940 and really waaay before that with the unnecessarily hostile economic stance against Germany made it very easy for Americans to line up and go die in their ancestral homelands fighting someone who didn't want to fight them.

>>136369612

nice retarded appeal to emotion there buddy.

>fighting someone who didn't want to fight them.

Is that why Hitler declared war on us? Also, Im cajun, so my ancestral homeland was France, a country invaded by Germany. Youre deluded and operating from a stance of ignorance, paranoia, and internet conspiracy theories

>>136362536
Russia was very underestimated and had the resources Hitler desperately needed to continue war with the Allies.
Seemed like easy grabs, instead ended up fucking up Germany damn hard.

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>>136369792
>instead ended up fucking up Germany damn hard.

>>136369792

This. Hitler had just BTFO Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, and sent the Brits back to their island. And he did all those countries in the about a months time each, so why wouldnt it take around a month to conquer russia? Especially when it was economically weaker than France or Britain and their military was in disarea due to Stalins purges. It was a easy pickings

>>136369791
You can't argue with history. Hitler declared war on the United States because the United States had declared war on Japan and Germany was faithful and old school noble in pretty much every regard and that included alliance bond. France had declared war on Germany first, and from that moment on every single military confrontation was legal and obvious. Germany came first, France would have done the same thing against them if they had more time. Germany did not want a single war or world war, especially not in the West. No one remembers the countless times Hitler appealed to reason with France and England.

>>136369791

False. USA was already engaged in war activities like supplying UK with armament and harassment of German U-boats before the declaration of war made by Hitler.

Even mainstream (((scholars))) admit to this being a fact. USA had been gearing up for war it was just a matter of foirmalities at that point.

Hitler had been under pressure by his navy to retaliate against clear US violations of neutrality. His declaration was justified and the US probably expected as much, since they, in the same vein did their best to provoke Japanese retaliations prior to Pearl Harbour.

>>136366565

It was an accident sorry.

>>136370247
>Hitler declared war on the United States because the United States had declared war on Japan

after Japan had declared war on us and bombed our navy in a surprise attack. Why are you being such a worm and conveniently leaving out shit like this as if you are going to fool anyone?

> Germany was faithful and old school noble in pretty much every regard and that included alliance bond.

more deluded appeals to emotion based on ignorance. Hitler delcared war on us because he thought doing so would make the Japs end up invading his number 1 enemy, the USSR, from the east. It didnt work.

>France had declared war on Germany first

again, after Germany invaded Poland in an unprovoked attack. Poland, who Germany had a non aggression pact with at the time of their invasion. Second time in this post you do this shit anon.

>Germany did not want a single war or world war

except for the fact that that is what they did? war monger and push the world into the bloodiest conflict in human history?

>>136370271
>Even mainstream (((scholars))) admit to this being a fact.

weasel words

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>>136368882
Kek, Murica became a super power stealing, selling, and getting in the war the last to rob from the corpses.
Murican domination was cimented over the ashes of the british colonies, the spanish colonies, the french colonies, the ashes of WWII Europe, and post-war Japan.
You're the true jews of the world.

>>136371028
Americans are literal Jews and good goyim who mutilate their kids as a blood sacrifice to their overlords.

>>136371028

>you defeated us after we fucked ourselves up do to our own retardation!

lol. Reminder that America spent billions of dollars building up europe after Germany destroyed it.

>>136370776
>Leaving out the fact that US froze japanese assets and sent japanese US citizens to concentration camps.

>Germany declared war on US after countless breaches of neutrality by merchant and war navy of America, sending war material to the UK and harassing U-boats that were hunting UK merchant ships.

War is politics trough other means. Pot calling the kettle black at this point.

>>136370917

That you can't disprove with your pedestrian education and arguing.

>>136362536
SPECULATION based on stuff I read:

1-German high command saw the USSR as a long-term threat (not inmediate).
2-They were inebriated by stream of victories in Europe, they thought they could get Russia to capitulate like France and considered the war of attrition scenario unlikely, or within acceptable risk margin
3-With Stalin purging the Russian army commanders every now and then, they thought it would be much easier to demoralize and crush them. Being opportunistic and unafraid of war, it looks feasible.

>>136370776
>after Japan had declared war on us and bombed our navy in a surprise attack.
I thought this was obvious and left it out lol. You probably have zero idea about the economic black mail you guys inflicted on Japan and encroached on their pacific area in obvious attempts to provoke them. And Pearl Harbor was known hours before it happened.
>Hitler delcared war on us because he thought doing so would make the Japs end up invading his number 1 enemy, the USSR, from the east.
Find me proof for this. This is post-war concoction.
>again, after Germany invaded Poland in an unprovoked attack.
Unprovoked lol. It was the only thing left to Germans after Poland was playing tough guy against a superior country, because they were backed by us and France PURELY to fuck with Germany. Hitler and his staff were surprised by the declarations on September 3.
>except for the fact that that is what they did? war monger and push the world into the bloodiest conflict in human history?
Germany didn't declare war against anyone first. The were declared war against.

>>136371230

Except the majority of the damage was made by US carpet bombing. That extended to areas were such procedures were of little to no value (Monte Cassino to name a few).

They even tried to rope in Portugal into the Marshall plan, which to me speaks volumes of the actual intent of that plan. Salazar refuse the US "aid" program because he knew very well what was implied.

>>136371230
>America spent billions of dollars building up europe after Germany destroyed it.
Yeah, and all that was because you're good guys, is not like if you were making deals with the URSS to control Europe you filthy kike.

Watching this movie now, it’s Bretty gud, just watched 2013 version last night and it was TERRIBLE. That is all.

>>136371307
>>Leaving out the fact that US froze japanese assets and sent japanese US citizens to concentration camps.

Yeah, we stopped trading our oil to Japan after the refused to end their aggressive and war mongering ways against the Chinese. Its hilarious that you would think this is some sort of heinous crime. Also, the japanese camps didnt happen until after Pearl Harbor and it widely regarded as a mistake, all the while you lot continue to imply germany dindu nuffin in their extermination camps.

You continue to call out the horrible crimes of america like not selling our oil to fuel the aggressive and borderline genocidal Japanese invasion of China, yet say nothing about those very Japanese crimes.

>>136371898

The extermination camps (if we can even call them such) were not a thing until 43-44 which is way out of your convenient timeline of lies Isaac.

Nice try though.

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>>136371618

>a bloo bloo bloo bad guys!

as if such a thing even exist, or as if your country wasnt doing anything different when the Spanish empire was at its height. The difference is America is the most benevolent power to rule this world.

>>136371307
>That you can't disprove with your pedestrian education and arguing.

you made a bogus claim with nothing to back it up, so I can just as easily discard it. Notice how you failed to provide a source and shut me up? Its because youre full of shit and know it.

>>136371591
>Except the majority of the damage was made by US carpet bombing.

kek what universe are you living in buddy

UK was the one terror bombing we didn't even get involved with bombing until late in the war

>>136372100

So its okay because operation Rhinehardt didnt happen until 1943? lol what are you even trying to argue at this point anon? Why do you think America is the big bad guy because we wouldnt give our oil to a genocidal war mongering empire, yet that empire who was committing wanton slaughter did nothing wrong?

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>>136372168
Shut up treacherous jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Spain_and_the_American_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

>>136371028
Spoken like a true Marrano

>>136372362

wow, completely unrelated wikipedia articles and a canned jew remark!

Thank you for admitting you lost the argument and have nothing to articulate. Just remember that America ended the war and then spent billions rebuilding europe, all shit started by Germany and europe in the first place, and all you can do is bitch about us because one more shitty idea you europeans have that ruins europe

>>136372168

Going full fedora now? Fucking hell mate, put some effort into it. The latest books and documentaries on WW2 by regarded authors that you people constantly quote have admitted as much.

>>136372196

South of France says hello.

>>136372340

So you are admitting to a massive fallacy here anon. You are talking of issues that if even proven as a fact bore no impact in the decision of the US government to engage in war activities.

And yes please make the usual burger appeal to morality when you showed no restrain, in any war you were involved in, to control your "collateral" damage.

>>136372196
>we didn't even get involved with bombing until late in the war
Dresden. 43.

>>136372577
Yeah, totally unrelated to your kike ways
>France and Spain help you to gain your independency
>Steal from France
>Prey on our dying empire while we fought other powers
>>136372519
Whar are you? A negrata or a panchito?

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>>136372637
>The latest books and documentaries on WW2 by regarded authors that you people constantly quote have admitted as much

more weasel words and literally not an argument. Protip, the moment you only start using personal insults with no actual argument, you basically just admit you lost the argument.

>So you are admitting to a massive fallacy here anon.

youre the one who brought up concentration camps anon, not me.

>You are talking of issues that if even proven as a fact bore no impact in the decision of the US government to engage in war activities.

no, Im pointing out your axisboo hypocrisy where you cry about this shit that axis powers did to a much greater degree. Also, you were the one, once again, trying to imply japan attacked us because of jap camps, even though those didnt exist until after pearl harbor, not me.

Germany and Europe dragged us into this shit, and you are such a typical eurosocalist fuck that you are unironcially trying to place all the blame on America.

>yeah germany might have committed genocide but america didnt sell oil to japan so whos the real bad guy huh?!?!

>>136373137

yeah because you totally cared about american ideals, which you constantly shit on, and TOTALLY werent praying on the falling British empire.

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>>136373168
>concentration camps
>muh six gorrillions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7VpLDLZYeY

>>136373552
If not for Anglo propaganda nobody would have minded Polish death camps because everbody hated faggots, gypsies and jews.
It would have been tolerated and secretly celebrated much like Guantanamo Bay today.

>>136364435
Hitler could of had easily defend against stalin if he had attacked. All he had to do was defeat the uk and secured the western border.

>>136373270
>Muh freedom fighters
USA is the biggest war criminal of our time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#American_grant_of_immunity

>>136373552
"muh eisnehower death camps!" is a bullshit claim based entirely on ONE(1) book called Other Losses which has been debunked by real historians

>Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was a severe food shortage in 1945, there was nothing sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million" were old men and young boys in the Volkssturm (People's Militia) released without formal discharge and transfers of POWs to other allies control areas. Maj. Ruediger Overmans of the German Office of Military History in Freiburg who wrote the final volume of the official German history of the war estimated that the total death by all causes of German prisoners in American hands could not have been greater than 56,000 approximately 1% of the over 5,000,000 German POWs in Allied hands exclusive of the Soviets.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html

There was a panel of 8 historians as well that all called the book out for its shitty made up history as well found the book to be bullshit

>Historians Gunter Bischof and Brian Loring Villa stated that a research report from the panel "soundly refuted the charges of Other Losses, especially Bacque's fanciful handling of statistics."

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1266


>"Bacque misread, misinterpreted, or ignored the relevant documents and that his mortality statistics are simply impossible." -R.J. Rummell

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP13.HTM

>"That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months immediately after the war […] is beyond dispute. All in all, however, Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate" -S.P.MacKenzie The Encyclopedia of Internment and Prisoners of War pg. 294

go fuck yourself

>>136374088
Let's archive that

>http://nytimes com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html
https://archive.is/kdbW

>>136374047

So I just called you the fuck out and all you have to go back on is the typical "wahh! american war criminals why cant they be more like nazi germany!" line? lol

>>136374188
>Anglos bomb women and children in Dresden just for fun
>muh Nazis were so evil

>>136364435
true

but prior to the invasion Soviet troop movements would have suggested that Russia may have been preparing to attempt a move against Germany primarily. General N.I. Biryukov, then commanding 186th Rifle Division claimed that 9 days before the German invasion, ‘all the divisions in the Ural Military District’ were instructed to ‘move to the western frontier’ in secret. Viktor Suvorov, a former member of the Soviet General Staff, also states within his work ‘the whole Ural Military District, including the commander, his staff, and all the subordinate formations, secretly began to move westwards’, and that this was also the case within other districts as Westward movements started ‘simultaneously taking place in all the internal military districts of the Soviet Union’ before the German invasion actually came into fruition

http://www.e-ir.info/2011/06/22/how-important-a-factor-was-soviet-involvement-in-the-affairs-of-the-successor-states-in-hitler%E2%80%99s-decision-to-invade-the-soviet-union-in-1941/

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>>136374301

>NAZIS DINDU NUFFIN! DOT FORGET THE 6 MILLION INNOCENT GERMANS KILLED AT DRESDEN!

>>136369163
That's because roosevelt was a commie fuckhead.

>>136362536
Primary Reason: The Reich had not had a continental military defeat in nearly 2 years. The invaded in the summer, and reckoned if they finished by Winter, they'd have an enormous amount of resources, and remove an eventual enemy, when they were at a compromised position. Germany was also in a lull stage of the war after conquering France, Lowlands, Norway etc, in a matter of weeks each.

Second Reason: Oil. the Baku Oilfields were some of the largest in the world at the time. Things were turning down in Africa, and they needed to secure oil supplies.

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>>136373983
Pretty much, unsurprisingly no one gives a fuck about modern america concentration camps all over the wold.

>>136363325
You backed French/Brits because of their debts. That's the only reason.

>>136374479
see
>>136374088

>>136374088
>Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate
Do you understand that they doubt about the numbers and not the facts, Do you?

>>136362536

Soviet Union was controlled by a government that was 85% kike. That was the whole point of the Bolshevik revolution - to topple the government and put Jews in total control of the country.

Germany's fascism was a defensive measure. Bolshevik Jews were trying to topple Germany in the same way they destroyed the Russian Empire.

Russia was going to attack Germany. The Jewish government was going to make it happen. It was just a matter of time. Hitler struck first with the hope of seizing enough of Russia's oil to neutralize their ability to project force into Europe proper.

If he hadn't tried this, Russia would have gathered it's strength and crushed Germany from the east in one swift strike, while Hitler's full forces were concentrated on the Western front.

>>136374684

Thats the point Im making anon. Youre ridiculous claims of a death camp have literally NO basis in reality what so ever. How utterly fucking stupid are you to actually try to switch this around as if you were the one making my argument and vice versa? You are a testement to the low IQ, emotionally driven, online conspiracy theory, imbecile that is the axisboo.

>>136374446
The war was already "won" (Europe lost) and the bombing of Dresden served no strategical purpose whatsoever. It was pure barbarism.

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>>136374860
>Soviet Union was controlled by a government that was 85% kike.

>>136374620
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/13/usa.terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

>>136374923
>The war was already "won"


Hitler refused to surrender because he wanted the german people to suffer and die. Keep shilling for him because youre a directionless cuck in life anon, but don be retarded and make up shit about history to fit this pathetic world view you have

>>136362536
Europe is shit for resources. Germany couldnt feed its people or produce oil. If they didnt end the war quickly the country would starve to death just like the first war. They couldnt invade england, so an invasion of russia was the only choice

>>136374898
You know how that is called? Damage control.
Only retards like you believe in Jewishwood """Good guys"""" propaganda.
You have the facts in front of you and you still don't believe it, talking about being a brainwashed imbecile.

>>136362536
>muh lebensraum
Yeah as if Poland wasn't enough. If it was for material reasons it'd be oil and other critical war materiel. Other explanations are that he expected the Soviets to attack and wanted to preempt it and strike before they were ready, or that he just wanted to rid the world of Bolshevism that badly (this is the most unlikely)

>>136362905
THIS