how was "to catch a predator legal?" Why isnt

>>136341307
Damn, that is a great defense. I'm gonna have to use that one.

>>136342082
Doesn't work on single digits Mohammed

>>136341307
What about,"i knew it was you chris,i just wanted to meet you in person"

>>136342156
>I didn't know she was 07 I thought she was 70!
>>136342182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4afOMEJvLM

>>136342182
Doesn't work if you bring condoms, mikes hard lemonade and porn dvd's.

It wasn't. That's why the show was cancelled and all the cases were thrown out of court.
It was literally Minority Report thoughtcrime.

>>136342236
I know about that

>>136342236
;_D

The best one was that guy that came in naked and the next day is caught again trying to set up a date at McDonalds.

>>136342292
>all the cases were thrown out of court
Did that actually happen? I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

>>136341307
>how was "to catch a predator legal?"
How it wasn't?

>>136342292
nigga they were literally going to houses with condoms and other shit where they thought they were gonna meet a little boy/girl get the fuck outta here.

>>136342578
For example, cops aren't allowed to try and sell you weed and then arrest you when you buy it. Question is whether that sort of thing was going on here or not. Show claims it wasn't. Not sure if I buy that.

>>136342516
Yes. Most of the judges said there's no case here. We can't convict someone of a crime they didn't commit.

>>136342726
>Not sure if I buy that.
Well, USA courts did.

>>136342687
>what is scripted reality
You think real pedos would consent to getting that shit broadcast to make sure if they go to jail they get raped to death?
>american flag
Oh nevermind.

>>136342726
>cops aren't allowed to try and sell you weed and then arrest you when you buy it
Wrong. It's not entrapment if you were going to buy it anyway.

>>136342741
uh no they went to jail almost all of them or they literally vacated the country in order to avoid their court date.

Yeah idk, think most of them ended up confessing in the end though like idiots. I mean the best thing would be to play stupid and not admit anything but of course they're pedos and they aren't very smart

Thankfully he started doing the show again, we need more baiting criminals into crime in order to clean shit up once we're in power.

>>136342830
I'm pretty sure some were blurred but some took the money and let them show it, I used to watch it a lot.

Many of these "people" had a history of grooming or abusing children. That goes a long way to at least press charges and take it to court. The cops aren't judges, but they are empowered to arrest people without a 100% certainty they are guilty.

>>136341307
>how was "to catch a predator legal?"

You commit the crime as soon as you attempt to solicit a minor for sex.

You don't even have to turn up at the house, they'd already committed the crime once they'd formed the necessary mens rea (intention) and acted on it by asking the kid for sex.

>Why isnt dyslexia a good excuse?

Because every man and his dog nowadays has dyslexia and it isn't enough of a disability to cause your mental capacity to drop low enough to as to constitute you lacking the necessary mens rea. If you plead insanity, you're sectioned theoretically forever which is far worse than a year or two in prison.

>>136341307
They serve a lot less time because their defense lawyer can make the case that he wouldn't have done it if there was no sting operation. Law enforcement agencies have to be very careful with operations like this, so that it can't be considered entrapment. If the idea is put into the suspect's head by law enforcement, it's entrapment. For example, an undercover cop can't come up to you and ask you if you want weed, but he can hang out in an alley where dealers typically sell weed wearing a shirt that says "I sell weed" and wait for you to come up to him. This is how they do it online, they make a profile of some teenage girl and just wait for the creeps to come to them, in order to find the ones who are going out of their way to find kids online.

>>136343003
No, but they can arrest someone if there's enough probable cause. The chatting with someone they thought was a kid was the intention. Not sure just how much time they got though

>>136342882
>It's not entrapment if you were going to buy it anyway.
That's what makes it complicated. If I am walking down the street and some cop randomly asks me if I wanna buy some weed, and I say yes. Who can prove I was going to buy it anyway? You seem to be confused.

Same deal here. If these guys just went in the chat rooms or whatever. Then 13 year olds start talking with them and flirting with them, there's no guarantee they were hunting for underage kids.

Just read an article about it:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19486893/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/da-refuses-prosecute-catch-predator-cases/

note the part:
>As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

>>136341307
intent is clear enough that peoples disgust allows them to pass judgment on the sickos

the problem is they caught a government agent forgot which branch who had a bunch of weapons in his trunk on the show 1 time and the supremecourt said after that they had to have a actual little girl type the stuff in order for a crime to be committed which was clearly to get 1 guy out of trouble for being a pedo. so they started using a little girl to type shit on the show and it was legal again

the funny part is Chris Hansen is the actual predator who lies to people, endangers children-himself-and-the-'pedo', lures people into his bodyguarded dungeon, takes them into cells, tries to give them kangoo courts of doctored discription and the case goes on and on. Literally a vigilante

At least he showed his true colors to all of his fans by scamming and lying to them. I think he threatened to sue people for libel at one point

John Kennelly

I'm more amazed that these people signed the release forms necessary for broadcast on TV

>>136342726
>cops aren't allowed to try and sell you weed and then arrest you when you buy it.
Except that's wrong. Cops are allowed to do stings such as this. What they can't do is entrapment by forcing you to commit a crime.

>>136343181
>Same deal here. If these guys just went in the chat rooms or whatever. Then 13 year olds start talking with them and flirting with them, there's no guarantee they were hunting for underage kids.

You haven't watched the show, have you?

They make clear that the volunteers are just sitting in the chat room and the predators actively seek them out. It's not like the volunteers just start speaking to them first. It isn't soliciting a minor without the solicitation part.

>As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

They only have to reach "beyond reasonable doubt" in evidential terms.

>>136343428
>What they can't do is entrapment by forcing you to commit a crime.
Wikipedia: In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal offence that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit.

It's not about forcing someone to do something. If they encourage you to commit a crime that you probably wouldn't have done, had it not been for them, it's entrapment.

>>136343539
>They only have to reach "beyond reasonable doubt" in evidential terms.
Well, obviously they didn't in this case.

>>136343599
>If they encourage you to commit a crime that you probably wouldn't have done, had it not been for them, it's entrapment.

But they're not doing that. The volunteers don't encourage them at all. The predators seek them out and solicit them for sex. As soon as that occurs a crime has been committed.

>Entrapment!
>I only came over here to tell her I wasn't going to do anything!
>Liking a 14 isn't pedophilia, it's hebephilia...
>Chris Hansen is the real predator! He's preying on people who clearly have mental disabilities
Every thread on /tv/ without fail

>>136343599
By that reasoning, a prostitution sting would be entrapment if the officer who was soliciting was attractive

>>136342741
>what is attempt to commit a crime
Also plenty of the guys from TCAP went to prison. Many of them on additional charges also, some had cp on their computers, some had weed in car.

>>136342287

or does it? ;)

>>136343268
Pedo spotted

>>136341307
They already broke the law, just showing up at the house - the intent is what gets them illegal. The people doing this know what they're doing, and have legal reps working with them to keep it all on the up and up - Hansen worked with the website Perverted Justice to do his segments, they (the site) work with cops and lawyers all the time. If there were room for entrapment, they'd change their tactics immediately. It's also why they're only doing these shows in certain states.
These guys can say anything they want to, when they're having cookies with Hansen. It's the transcripts of the chat sessions that gets them put in jail. They initiate sexual comments, talk about having sex with a minor, knowing they're a minor, and then drive to have sex with a minor. Busted. Same as if you proposition an undercover cop for prostitution - just the act will get you busted.

>>136342182
Wouldn't be there, without a session with an alleged minor in a chatroom - even if you're goofing around, it's still illegal.
Keep in mind, these guys have cops waiting for them, and if they don't go in the house, they get busted anyway.

>he didn't spend hours binge watching To Catch A Predator and everything else great that Hansen has done. He's the comfiest investigative journalist alive and is still underrated.

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>>136341307
I'm just on my way to the beach.

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>>136341307
lmao, Anyone else remember that one guy who they caught twice? Showed up naked each time if I remember right.

>>136342292
>all the cases were thrown out of court
Hah hah hah hah you wish. One town had all of the cases dropped, because of politics, but all of the other busts went through, and most of them, I think the number was 98%, served time.

The only reason the show went off the air is because that DA they caught killed himself. Perverted Justice, the site that Hansen worked with, is still in operation, nailing pedos and sending them to jail.

>>136342292
Only for one town, stupid. Been chatting to 12 year olds in chatroom? Think you're safe?

>>136345007
Ooops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrbsTWv9eU

>>136341307
This show will be very problematic in the future when child brides are legal.

>>136341307

It was a gray area, and many of the cases were voided when challenged. They also lost a lawsuit and the incident led to the cancellation originally.

>>136342726
>For example, cops aren't allowed to try and sell you weed and then arrest you when you buy it.
Wrong, asshole. That happens every day. They can offer it to you, too. Decoy cops get druggies and people looking for whores every fucking day.

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>>136342516

No.

Most pled guilty. On a few occasions it was challenged, some stuck, some like those in a Californian sting, were struck down AND the channel and police were left open to civil suits.

>>136342741
Nope. Only one town. All the other towns, the arrests held and the pedos served time.

Perverted Justice has jailed hundreds of pedos. They didn't stop after the show did.

>>136345007
There was also one rabbi they caught. It is said in the Talmud that a Jew can harm the goy but must do in annother city to not be caught.

>>136344851
>"I'm cute though, built good."

These people deserve all the jail time they can get.

>>136345248
get denino out of here

>>136345007

There was the retard guy. That was in the pre-cop era. He just kept showing up. He was literally retarded though.

Ray Romano was my favorite;

>You are going to jail for a long time for child sex offences

>Yeah, that's okay, but I want everyone to know I ain't gay, okay?

It's not illegal if they go along with it.

I'm more concerned about how child porn means anything they want it to mean these days. Drawn images and stories count, as well as images of 18 year old so if they were taken by a studio who also photographed younger women. All a out "drying up the supply" of companies raided 13 years ago or whatever.

>>136343086
One thing to consider - they're now on the sexual predator's list. That's a big fucking deal. They get extra penalties if they try this shit after being on it, and you're on it for life. They have to notify their neighbors of their status, and can't get hired anywhere children are, or near schools.

They may not serve as much as they should, but their lives are over. Several teachers and military members were caught on the show - how much fun do you think a court martial for attempting to fuck kids is going to be?

>>136345414

In Australia they changed the title to "child exploitation material" and it literally means whatever the fuck they want it to mean. You can go to an art gallery and there are faggot pedophile erotica photogrpahs on display, but some guy gets caught with a copy of a legal to purchase book like Lolita (not joking btw) and he's done for CP because of "context".

>>136343268
Oh, look, a pedo chimes in!

How many kids have you tried to fuck?

>>136345487

This.

I'd rather do 5 years in jail than get no jail time but go on the pedofuck register for life.

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>>136342726
That's entrapment, and as far as I understand the authorities must initiate it and coerce the suspect into the crime. On the show, they even state they can't do that, and always wait for the perp to make the suggestion/first move.

Notice how all pedators are white males.

>>136341307
That's dyscalculia

>>136344851
I liked the fat black dude who asked for a ride home.

>>136342292

Wrong. It was cancelled eventually because some idiot committed suicide and his family sued the show or whatever.

>>136342741
thats completely wrong, they only fucked up on a few cases

>>136345222
Not even close. The show was cancelled after they caught an assistant Attorney General, and he killed himself.

You're lying. Why? You're probably chatting up 12 year olds in chat rooms.

>>136341307
America doesn't have entrapment laws. The funny thing is that we do and people caught by Dark Justice get charged. People keep saying "it isn't entrapment because they tell them how old the "girl" is before they meet". What they don't seem to understand is that, whether they initiate contact or not (if they do it's 100% entrapment right away), they speak to them on 18+ sites. If they met them on somewhere like Habbo it would be completely different because you could argue they were going out of their way to find minors, but that isn't the case here.
I remember about 10 years ago some cops (undercover obviously) asked some guy if he wanted to burgle a house for them for X amount of money and he agreed. It was immediately thrown out though because it was the police who had put the offer on the table, which means he wasn't looking to break the law and potentially never would have done if the police hadn't made him the offer. It works exactly the same way.

>>136345604
At least two were black, that I remember, and a couple sleezy arabs, and at least one asian dude.

>>136345751
This. Also it was only one town in Texas or something where the police fucked up all the procedural shit due to shoddy record keeping so all the evidence was invalidated. Furthermore Perverted Justice became increasingly difficult to work with because they were rumoured to have become super corrupt and had a lot of infighting that led them to overstep their legal boundaries and get into trouble themselves.

>>136345884
You mean muslims. I recall that episode.

>>136344851
Can someone post the Evangelion edit of this guy?

>>136345751

I'm not lying. The incident you just listed is precisely the incident I'm talking about. The family of the AG sued and won.

>>136345007
John Kennelly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xju0MHWJnbs

>>136345227
>pirate
You are a type of pirate, aren't you.

>>136345007
Found the guy I was thinking of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baEHSmGAWe4

>>136345982

No, it was in California. The judge ruled it entrapment and voided the prosecutions.

>>136345783
I think we're gonna see some laws about this shit in the US soon. Predators are using social media now, and also sleazing around places like Minecraft servers, and grooming kids there. My brother and sister have locked down anything online for their kids, after some creeps approached my neice on Roblox. Now they have a rule, they can only contact people they know, and their parents know - no friends of friends, or anything like that.
That's why I love TCAP - all pedos must burn to death in fire.

>>136346179
Right, read in a /tv/ thread that it was Texas. But it was only one of the sting towns.

>>136346136
All right, in that case, you're right. I'm used to pedos losing their shit in these threads, and making shit up.

>>136346171
Aw, is someone upset?

Good.

>>136346140
Beat me to it. This dumbass has always been to one guy I remember from the show lol

>>136346270
>14 posts by this ID.
>Aw, is someone upset?
>pirate.
keking pretty hard here.

>>136346180

>Predators are using social media now

This is as old as the hills. Cops here use instagram, facebook (and controversially) tinder to catch guys all the time.

They don't even decoy anymore. They simply get tons of referrals from parents.

>>136345495
You've noticed this too?

The most degenerate shit gets plastered on television involving actual children but you go after some dude with an image of a big breastfed blonde he got off bittorrent and do the whole song and dance about "I can't believe... in our community... He was my friend... these charges... wow...". So stupid. Of course you can't say this in real life or your pedo.

I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ0V9qYMyfg

>>136346180
>Now they have a rule, they can only contact people they know, and their parents know - no friends of friends, or anything like that.

The weird thing is that this used to be standard and was taught in schools as Internet safety. The problem is that the technology has moved on. Everyone gives out their information on social media like it's nothing nowadays. I remember being taught never to meet strangers you only know over the Internet and never to get in a stranger's car. Now there's an app to summon strangers' cars over the Internet so you can get in them. Weird how stuff changes so quickly.

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>tfw you were just asking questions

>>136346220

It wasn't procedural. It's just that most of these perverts don't challenge it.

Prosecutor gives them a plea bargain, they take it, or they could end up getting REALLY fucked.

Most of these guys will get minimal jail sentences, then get whacked on the registry.

If they try to fight it and lose? They can be looking at VERY long jail terms.

>>136346220
No, the assistant to the DA who shot himself (not the assistant AG, I remembered wrong) was in Texas, as well as the cases in another town that were thrown out, because the DA claimed Perverted Justice didn't have enough proof - which PJ argued wasn't true - politics were obviously at play there. They dropped 29 cases there because of that.

>>136346362
Very, very upset.

>>136343063
>year or two in prison

yeah, no
even sexting a 16 year old girl over the phone can get you 10-20 years in prison. if you get a really good lawyer and know the judge you can get off on reduced charges or whatever, but most men would get hard time soliciting a minor.

>>136346390

Yeah, I'm not sure about the U.S., but here it's never just random - Generally they'll have a guy busted for other sex offences or real CP, and they tack it on.

For instance, they'll bust pedos already in jail for drawing porn or writing porn - Stuff that wouldn't normally be something you'd get arrested for, but they do it so that it fucks their parole and keeps them in jail.

It's like whenever people bring up the Simpsons porn thing in Australia - The guy ALSO had a bunch of actual CP. They used the Simpsons porn to tack on extra charges.

>>136346483

There was also the Californian cases that got voided because the judge ruled entrapment.

>>136345248
P A U L D E N I N O

>>136346625

They all usually got short sentences (and the register, which is worse) for co-operation.

They had some guy on the news who refused to take a plea on CP charges, so the judge smacked him with life in jail, no parole.

>>136346569
You do seem it, yeah.

>>136345543
9, married them too.

>>136342156
KEK

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>>136346393
Funny to watch them try to weasel out of this when they've been caught red handed. Also funny to listen these guys read the chat logs out loud.

>>136346898
The voice actors on TCAP kill me.
ya...

4 relz??

>>136346757
>life in prison
he better have been producing it or had a SHIT LOAD of it to warrant such a crazy charge. or it wasn't his first offense.

look i hate pedophiles too, but life in prison for CP should only be for like 3rd offenses or selling crazy amounts of it etc.

>>136346423
THE INTERNET AND REAL LIFE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

WHAT IT SAYS ON THE INTERNET.. DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT I REALLY THINK

>>136347021
What's wrong with that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waV7J6bfmQU

>>136346636
I delved deep into this stuff when my best friend was arrested. I still cant get over it. He was the nicest dude. He's a fucking dumbass for using p2p software at all in <current year> though, even if he didnt mean to magically re-rape somebody or whatever.

I've seen a lot of absurdity examining other cases besides his.

>>136347351
>still can't get over it.
>he was the nicest dude.

well what he did was illegal and immoral, but don't let it eat you up too much anon. it's not like he was Hannible or something. most people have problems and do immoral things sometimes.
>alcoholism
>drug addiction
>gambling addiction
>ETC

i'm certainly not defending your friend (what he did was wrong and illegal) but don't beat yourself up too much. this might have been the best outcome for him believe it or not.

perhaps getting caught doing this will help him give up the habit. in reality, this could have prevented him for getting arrested for something worse (bigger CP charges ) etc. keep your head up and have some faith.

Statatory rape is not that bad of an offence. They need to bait out more offences.

A few of the guys where serial killer tier and didnt get enough of a punishment, but some of the other dudes where just doing statory.

>>136348128
>Statatory rape is not that bad of an offence.
Don't agree. Rape is a crime that should have harder sentences than they currently get. I don't care if it's a kid, or a teen, or an adult. Rapists need to be locked up - their recidivism rate is too fucking high to trust them.

>>136349805
>forcible rape on a good woman is the same crime as a stacy fucking her whole highschool and a 22year old man with a 4 inch pecker

>>136346998
Sounds like you're trying to justify something to me...

>>136341307
Those people should be shot on the spot, without trial or anything. Just a bullet in their head.

>>136345550
Agreed
>>136350069
I think statutory rape is a pretty good principle, but I also live in a state where the age of consent is 16, with the stipulation that your sex partners cannot be more than four years older than you until you are 18. I consider this to be much more reasonable than 18.

>>136342292
It was cancelled because one guy wouldn't come to the house, the police decided to go to his house with a swat team and while they were kicking the front door in, he an heroed himself.

>>136351025
the crime should be exponentially increase for the age of the girl, so 16 is slap on the wrist, 15 weekend, 14 couple mos jail, 13 years jail, 12 who knows how long,

>>136352999
I disagree. A lot of people that age aren't mature enough to make those decisions. Not all 13 yr olds are sexed up stacies but most teens are very curious about sex and should only experiment with other teens. 16 or 17 should be the age of consent with a minor.

14 to 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe.

>>136353180
years in jail is a punishment, treating all similar crimes the same only invalidates the severity of the worse

>>136353405
Preying on preteen and teen children as an adult isn't something that should be normalized.

To clarify:

No, the show did nothing illegal for most episodes, but they did engage in extremely questionable ethics. Entrapment was not the issue and was not something they committed. The issues were:

1. A private, unprofessional vigilante group coordinating with police AND media to bust these guys.

2. Police depending upon this private vigilante group for evidence(with PJ handling all of the chat logs and essential evidence)

3. Police working in tandem with the media(allowing Chris Hansen an interview before arresting a suspect, which is just unusual)

4. Allowing Chris Hansen to seriously abuse and blur the lines regarding the law about impersonating a police officer where Hansen is frequently happy to give that impression(and omit correcting them on it and allow them to assume) while giving authoritative commands("Keep your hands out of your pockets") and asking drilling, police-esque questions.

So while the entrapment part doesn't fly(these people committed the crime of solicitation through their own free will), much of it is questionable. To the guy who mentioned officers that try to sell you weed can be entrapment, you're partially correct. But in those instances it's when an officer confronts someone in a parking lot with a choice to buy weed, where a person may feel pressured into buying it where it becomes entrapment. That doesn't apply here.

>>136354152
i'm not talking about a set term limit here, just that people who fuck 12 year olds are going to jail for longer

I remember that one of the decoys did an Q&A on reddit, did anyone there ask if they ever captured any 17 (or younger) year olds?

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>>136342830
American laws are different and carry by state. In most cases, the fact that the recordings were made as part of public law enforcement activity, and within private residences, was enough to not require consent for showing the images.

Also, you can easily look up the fact that these people were real, really went through the court system, etc.

>>136342156
Also doesn't work for repeating digiteridoos

>>136347351
Don't sweat it too much anon. I had a friend since middle school try to kidnap an 18 yr old girl at gunpoint. When they searched his computer and room they found a bunch of stuff about necrophilia. Thank god that girl got away, jumped out of a moving car in fact. Just goes to show,you never know what the fuck people are thinking.