>There is little coincidence that these sophisticated sex

The realisation that they are no longer neccessary and it's their fault.

nothing. only the loneliest beta loser would actually waste money on a robot to have "sex" with.

no man who can actually get a woman(most men) even thinks about sex robots

>>136312745
I'd say most women could get sex with the smallest modicum of effort yet many still have vibrators.

women are petrified at their pussy market value dropping.

men should really focus on making pussy market value absolute zero, considering women are the most destructive force in the civilized world today.

>>136312527
A mild deception leakage. They're admitting that women would incredible social power and it all stems from their ability to withhold sex. And that sex robots threaten that paradigm.

Sex robots can't replace a good relationship but they can definitely replace toxic ones, and those are the kinds of relationships feminists plan on having

>Most men, naturally, are not going to keep sex robots, and while the FRR noted their increasing popularity, they remain, for now, on the outskirts of consumer culture.

The next few decades are going to be fucking hilarious as women in their 30s with great education and jobs realize they are easily replaced by a $10,000 fuck doll.

>>136312745
Hahaha

T. Retard

>>136312812
i've been with a decent amount of women. only 2 that were slutty as fuck had dildos, and they'd rather have real dick than a fake one when possible.

keep selling yourself a delusion

>>136313114
They are experiencing a man-drought and it is fucking hilarious to see them stumble over their own failings.

>>136312993
stay mad you dickless scandicuck

>>136312962
only if it has tay's personality.

>>136313114
>i've been with a decent amount of women. only 2 that were slutty as fuck had dildos

How would you know? They generally don't keep them out in the open.

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>>136312527
Or worse. That companies will create V.I/A.I companions. Programs of advanced sophistication and personality with a specific function, tailored to a man but with adaptive upgrades to better oneself.

Once we reach that level. Women will be obsolete in it's entirety. Even greater because we can create women from our genetics and chromosomes all to ourselves. We have an X and Y we can clone.

We have the winning hand, it's just we believed their Wild Card was a one way street all these years.

>>136312527
imagine if tomorrow 100 trillion tons of gold was announced to be thought to be found on an asteroid suddenly caught in the earth's orbit as a new moon.

just the fact that it's there, not even easily attainable, would make gold worthless.

that's what sex bots are to women suddenly something they could control due to demand/scarcity was so close anyone could get it, women would have to actually be useful for something besides sex and since the rise of feminism sex is all women have left to offer, they don't cook or clean and for most men raising kids isn't a goal until later in life.

sex bots put men in the position of power as women will still rely on men for protection and finances so they would have to adapt and take on greater roles than a hole to be fucked if they want to keep a man

>>136312527
1) Get men to race to embrace the robot sex partners.
2) Get women to embrace robot sex partners
3) Kill all males.

>implying women won't use a neural connection to log into a 10/10 sexbot body and use it to get her attention tingles and have risk-free sex.

Once the dumb cunts realize this, their protests against sexbots will switch to their purchasing their 'party' bodies.

>>136312745
What would you say about porn though?
Pretty much *all* guys watch porn. They very likely do so to jerk off.

>>136313275
when i say "been with" i mean the ones i've been in relationships with. not the ones i just fucked

you can tell when a bitch has a dildo. she's a fucking slut, and you'll find out about it sooner or later.

>>136312812
It's not the same for women. They tend to crave sexual release more than men, but hold themselves back from asking for it because of social pressures. Many turn to vibrators to avoid the inevitable hysteria when they should be turning to their husbands to relieve them. Women still need men for emotional, physical, and mental wellness; there's no artificial way of obtaining these needs, not even through pets.

Sexbots, however, just relieves a man's tensions while supplying artificial comfort, which apparently is good enough for some men that they don't desire women.

This is why feminists and others are scared of Sexbots as they replace a large enough percentage of man's needs. That's a loss of power and control.

>>136313565
>2) Get women to embrace robot sex partners

The only way a slut would embrace a robot sex partner is if it could give her money fame or power.

>>136313729
when is the last time you spent money on porn?

>>136312527
We really need to false-flag as a new coven of feminists arguing that sex bots are good because they free women from the societal expectation to have sex with men.

>>136313188
>man-drought
There's a shortage of men with high status, but no shortage of men.
Maybe some women are just worried about losing attention from the men they don't want.

>>136313729
Yeah, but no-one brags about it (except for the occasional oddball).

Sexbots would be closer to prostitutes, i.e. much more men use them than admit that they do so, but no-one will be open about it because its basically admitting you need to pay for sex

>>136312527
>bragged about sexually assaulting women.
You are a moron. He talked about how woman want to groped by high status men. This is something you beta nerds will never understand.

tfw a women is actually dripping wet in your presence.

>>136313860
People used to pay for it. Some still do. But yeah, good point. The porn epidemic is largely due to it being free.
But it shows that the demand is still there. And people got used to it now. The demand seems pretty strong.

>>136312745
>A female speaking for men

You're wrong there cunt. Most men cannot get laid.

>>136313962
The Beta providers is what you speak of. They see those men as their backup plan.

However more males are getting sick of the shit so far. So it is getting more hilarious to see these women with their roastbeef textured boxes struggle to find a stable future.

As you already know THEY want to exterminate males. But THEY also want to exterminate females. So, males and females should unite against common enemy - aganst AntiHumans.

>>136314193
>most men cannot get laid

top kek. is this what you tell yourself to get to sleep at night?

>>136312527
Do they have sex robots that are more I dunno classical beauty and not these dolled up trollops? I don't want a fake robot woman trying to look like a fake woman.

>>136312527
It's fear. Fear that the power they gained through sexual liberation and feminism will slip through their fingers. We have been working on the sex robot prototype for decades but women never took it seriously because it mostly consisted of crude animotronics and vacuum cleaners. Now real progress is being made and the whores are getting worried and like a man at sea they are frantically reaching for something, anything, that will save them from the dark abyss below.

>>136312527
http://archive.is/U4BJv
ftfy

>>136314064
>Yeah, but no-one brags about it (except for the occasional oddball).
People are surprisingly open about it I've found. It creeps me out kek. When almost *all* guys watch it there's no point denying it anymore.
>Sexbots would be closer to prostitutes
I think they're *much* closer to porn and sextoys than prostitues.
The thing with prostitutes is that you're paying to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you. And you're apparently enjoying that. Most people find the idea awful. I think.
But with a sexbot you're not hurting anyone and it's not much different from jerking it to porn. Which everyone does.

>>136314352
Yes because its true. 90 to 10 percent rule sweetheart. Even good looking men have to work for pussy. An average looking slut just has to exist and she'll get laid.

Go change your tampon.

>>136314399
Their own liberation though has ensnared themselves. It is nothing more than gilded shackles replacing iron ones. Recall that Iron Pill comic about how he was trying to explain that what blacks are doing now is no different than a second serfdom.

Obvious disgenics scheme and population control. Peak capitalism.

>>136313813
>They tend to crave sexual release more than men
I really don't think that's true.

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>>136314352
I'll take "what is a tournament species?" for $500 Alex.

>>136312527
7 inch master race here, I would fuck this thing...women BTFO

>>136312962
God I hate women. Western American women. I'm am now an admitted misogynist. They are those most pampered, entitled, privileged, coddled, narcissistic, disgusting, etc human beings in history. I only wish I could live long enough to watch every single one hit the wall and then die alone and miserable. I want to be bedside whispering how nobody loves them right through their death rattle and final breath.

>>136314594
LMAO i'm like a 7/10 and i have no problem getting women in my league.

i've known fat guys who've gotten women that would be considered hot. my best friend is a NEET shutin and managed to bag a 5/10 broad

keep making excuses for yourself beta.

>>136314825
Nobody here cares about your small 7 inch penis. We are all at least 12 inches.

>>136312527
Women don't want to compete with sex bots or even dolls, so instead of trying to better themselves the slightest, they go all in with their feelings getting all offended and shit.
They also threw trump in there because ???

>>136312527
>women's rights are under threat across the globe

??????

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>>136315084
Son of a bitch, pol told me 7 inches was big...tfw you're surrounded by the 12 inch super super race

>>136315111
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trump%20Derangement%20Syndrome

>>136312527
>IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! ME ME ME! MEEEEEEEE! -Women
Little wonder why machines are preferable?

>>136315013
Yeah so have I but it happens once or twice a year. An ugly girl can fuck that many guys in a weekend.

Im still right and you're still wrong. Also a cuck apparently. Go get a coffee you hipster self hating jew.

>>136315525
hey retard. how about yous top trying to find random sluts, and find a normal woman that wants to be in a relationship? i know this is hard for you to understand, but there are a lot of them out there.

why do you concern yourself with what some clubslut does every weekend?

>>136315747
Why should he put up women's shit when he can get it from the clubslut and keep his house and money? Are you high?

>>136315948
because he can't have children with a clubslut, or at least i don't advise it. he also won't be able to pick up clubsluts after his late 30's. also your stupid "all women want to take your shit" mgtow meme is absolutely childish, and retarded.

>>136315747
>normal woman
Unicorns don't exist.

>>136316228
where did all you mgtows come from? just go back to /r9k you foreveralone faggot

>>136316335
>YOU MUST BE MGTOW! INSULTS! FAGGOT! /r9k/ BOOGEYMAN!
You're hysterical. Calm down and get some new material.

>>136316335
>t. toastie roastie

>>136316335
Well frankly we prefer being alone than being falsely accused of rape, or being beaten using our own offspring to then bleed us of our assets while we are unconscious.

>>136315004
Devilish

>>136316482
i've fucked nearly 20 women. not once have i been accused of rape. i've had relationships with 6 women. not once have i been bled for my assets.

You didn't care about Rapey Clinton. He opened the door for Trump. Fuck you and your situational ethics.

>>136316169
Wrong, men are at their sexual prime post 30, really post 40 by any honest metric. Women lose their sexual value post 30. It's not childish, it's reality. Only the women benefits from marriage, with women today, it's not worth putting up with their crap for kids. I personally advocate for marriage, I love my wife, but she isn't a modern women by any metric, at least not by western values. Until "good" women begin slut shaming, physically attacking clubsluts and denying them any social standing, men will chase the clubslut over the women. Just the way it is, bitch all day men arent going to bend, they'll end up 40 and single asking where all the good men went or marry a beta they hate.

>>136316586
Consider yourself lucky then. Because the moment a woman regrets sleeping with a guy or a man she sees as undesirable ruins her reputation she can simply get herself away from any guilt proclaiming that she was raped.

>>136313829

+1

>>136316730
cool story. now think of all the guys you've personally known who've fucked women/had gf's. how many of them were accused of rape?

exactly cuck

It's gets funnier when you realize sexbots will be so expensive that only super-rich playboys will have them.

They could still hook up with average joes but they all want Christian Grey.

>>136314717
They don't seem to get horny the same way that men do. It's different for them. Not "I've got to fuck, I'll fuck ANYTHING" but you can just jerk off and it's gone. There's more to it than that for them. It's more psychological.
I've had 3 gfs so that's not a yuge sample (and I'm old so that's not a lot), but they all wanted sex more than me kek. That was many times a day sometimes. Women enjoy the cuddling and talking and teasing and fondling, etc, a lot more than men. Sometimes it's all they want. They like to feel a lot of things. They like to feel loved. A sexbot isn't gonna do much of that. They love a shaking, squirting orgasm too but it's not enough. You have to work up to it anyway. Or they might be too lazy for it.
I'm sure they also can enjoy a rough fuck from a turbo-alpha and being used and degraded sometimes too. I wouldn't know.
Sexbots for women are kind of dumb. The idea of men fucking those is ridiculous to them and it makes them think less of men. They can't really put themselves in our shoes though.
And that's why sexbot aren't all that great for most men either. It's not real sex. It's no fun. But then again, neither is porn and fapping and guys do that A LOT. At least the sexbot wouldn't laugh at me if I tried to Chad LARP with it. Not yet anyway.

>>136316597
kek. you should hear how my gf and her dumb friends talk about girls who are sluts.

you need to separate yourself from the internet meme world and get with reality. everyone shames sluts, even though they might not do it openly

Everyone in this thread is retarded.
I'm a 10/10 NEET and I have been laid over 35 times, each by different men. Sex robots ain't gonna do shit.

>>136317061
Seems clear it isn't working, but that's what women are good for, talking not doing. Suggest they man up and make it real

>>136316972
>so expensive
yeah just like no one can afford cars

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>>136317207
>I'm a 10/10 NEET and I have been laid over 35 times, each by different men.

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>Every article about feminism in the age

>>136316972

Poison fuck hole. Tainted well. The BPA addled silicone or whatever additional poisonous manufactured material chemicals fuck robot is made from ooze into the porous human cock like an ultimate Blade Runner world STD.

>>136312815
>today
>today
>today

they have been the most destructive force since the written history of mankind, and probably longer before then.

Trojan war was started because of some cunt. But I could mention Samson and Delilah, or even Adam & Eve, etc.

People waged wars for pussy.

>chad is only interested in pumping and dumping
>the beta losers women rely on for when they reach 30 and have to "settle" will have fuckbot waifus

lel

>>136312527
Every mech. engineering major on the planet who doesn't have a job should be working on this in their spare time.

If we have thousands of illicit doll and robot builders moonshining these things in every corner of the world, good luck (((regulating))) or outright banning them.

>>136318132
So we'll need more immigration.
Who wins?

>>136312527
What a load of shit. The reason we now have sexbots is the result of the ever degenerating state of our society coinciding with our ever advancing technology. Sexbots did not just birth from firey chasms all across the earth on the day of Trump's election. They were allowed to develop as a product over decades thanks to the left's success in pushing against taboos and for reckless sexuality, and so if they really don't like it now I don't think they should dishonestly point the blame away from themselves and towards a movement that has nominal traditionalist values at its core.

>>136312527
women are inferior scum, i hope they replaced soon, i hate hate HATE HATE AHTE HATE WOMEN IF YOU ARE A WOMAN AILL RAPE YOU KILL YOU AND EAT YOU ALIVE OR DEAD I DESPISE YOPU WOMEN I HATE YOU

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>>136318518
The apocalypse gon be gud

>DAY OF THE ROAST SOON

Why so many women haters here? You know you can be sexist without hating them.

>>136314352
Come on now. 90% of you guys who claim to be players are lying. Every guy with an IQ above 90 knows this. We just nod to avoid drama.

>>136319216
>i can somehow get women to have sex with me
>something men have been doing with women for thousands of years
>i'm a player for being able to perform normal human behavior

top kek. keep showing your true colors mgtow loser

Women are scum that destroy society. Men build and create novel things. Women tax men and slut it up with gorilla men instead of pursuing intellects. Women will be replaced in the near future. There is every reason to hate the fact that they exist, that they leach off of us, that they destroy our cities, that they vote for handouts, that they tax men, and abandon us at the first opportunity. Women are trash, that is all.

>>136320684
women only have the power that you give to them. dumb beta

>>136319470
If you were the chad you claim to be, you wouldn't be here.

>>136321450
>conduct normal human behavior
>chad

you are pitiful my man

>>136320920
And the power the state gives them. Women spend some 80-90% of all household income, which they use to prop up useless industries and create soul sucking jobs, aka our life, our civilization. Moreover, 80% of all women who ever lived had offspring, while only 40% of all men who ever lived had offspring... This is in the genetic record, look it up you buffoon! It's safe to say that women are evil incarnate and should be replaced first thing! Boot those roasties out in the cold, civilization is a beta man thing, not for women or cucks.

>>136321552
At least I'm not in denial.

>>136321988
i'm pretty sure you are though

>>136312527
Delusional, women have more rights than any point in history

>>136317207
>I'm a giant shameless faggot who thinks too highly of himself.
ftfy

>>136322089
My point still stands. I don't believe for a second that anyone here has anything approaching a healthy, active sex life.

>>136321988
Dude, he's right. Most guys get hookups from time to time. And a lot of guys aren't even trying. I'm not getting laid because I'm an ugly autistic manlet. What's your excuse?

>>136322308
>i can't find a woman so that means no one else can!

i truly feel sorry for you

at least this guy >>136322354
can acknowledge reality and can actually self reflect.

>>136322653
Get out roastie.

>>136312527
Please, if Hillary had been elected, the sexbot development wouldn't have been any different.
>women's rights are under threat across the globe
I do not understand this statement no matter who says it. What are some concrete examples where a country's rights for women are at threat of being abolished? Yes, women are treated like cattle in a Muslim country, but again, it's the same regardless if Trump won or not.

>>136322354
Disinterest but also self-esteem issues in regards to the opposite sex.

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>>136312934
>Sex robots can't replace a good relationship but they can definitely replace toxic ones, and those are the kinds of relationships feminists plan on having
under fucking rated

>>136312527
I, for one, welcome sex bots and artificial procreation through artificial wombs. No risk of STDs FTW!

>>136323002
wrong board. you're not on /r9k

>>136322653
>20+ posts by this sea hag.
fuck off cunt

>>136313860
People pay camgirls and commission shit all the time.
Sex still sells but the medium is changing. You pay for the good/new/weird shit.

>>136323350
awww is the poor baby sexually frustrated?

>>136312527
I think this will disrupt the short term market place for sex and possibly restore long term relationships and people focus on them.

>>136323086
OK. I've had gfs before. Now I'm out of a job and depressed and other stuff. But if I've had gfs literally anyone can. I'm not hot shit though so they were in my league I think. But they liked me.

>>136323549
can you imagine the type of beta that would pay a camwhore when he could just watch them for free?

yes these are the same betas that try to have a conversation with a camwhore while she's stripping and 1000 other men are jacking off to her.

>>136312527
>What is the hyperbole from grocery stores when it comes to produce? And what does it have to do with smart phones?
OP is a faggot who has no idea how to post.
Die in a chemical fire.

You guys should look into "The Misandry Bubble". It predicted the collapse of female power via withholding sex, due to the rise of VR and Sexbots. Also, someone ban that perma roastie, it smells.

>female sex robots are a joke lol pussy is ez lol
>development costs in the millions, feminists shitting themselves.
Shiggy

>>136312527

>when women's rights are under threat across the globe

what the fuck are they even talking about?

>>136312527
>hen there is a president in the White House who has bragged about sexually assaulting women.

That didn't happen though. He said that he could grab them by the pussy because he's on TV and they'd let him. That's not the same thing at all.

I don't know about you guys but women have literally never had it better where I live. No fucking clue where they're getting this bullshit

>>136323738
>the same betas that try to have a conversation with a camwhore while she's stripping and 1000 other men are jacking off to her.
And talking about feminism stuff kek.
"This is SO empowering what you're doing you're very brave I'm not objectifying you like the other guys."

>>136324020
fyi, virtually all of female employment is due to their sexual privilege. The fact that women have money at all is due to the pussy pass. Women currently spend 80%-90% of all household income depending on the product. If women are outclassed by sex bots, then they will have to get by on merit, in other words, they'll starve. It's not about female rights, but pussy privilege.

>>136318846
A lot of these retards only see women at clubs and bars, and haven't realized only the sluttiest most degenerate women like to go to these places.

>>136312527
>>136312664
fpbp

>>136324062
>He said that he could grab them by the pussy because he's on TV and they'd let him.
And we somehow all have to pretend that it's not true.
>I don't know about you guys but women have literally never had it better where I live.
In the west, women are literally the most privileged group in all of history.

>>136323738
I've never actually watched camwhores but I was under the impression a lot of them did private shows for dosh. You're telling me people just show up and throw money at them for what they're already doing?

>>136324190
#YesAllWomen
I call bullshit. All women sell sex in one way or another. All women are whores. All women take out more money from the government then they pay in.
#YesAllWomen

>>136324258
>In the west, women are literally the most privileged group in all of history.

That's why I don't get these insane claims. Yes, women do not do well in uncivilized parts of the world. But when I hear them talk about how difficult their lives are here I almost have to hold back the laughter. Are they fucking serious? Every development program we have is aimed at them. Jobs are thrown at their feet because they have a cunt. The fuck are the idiots talking about?

>>136312664
But women are necessary,
At least until the sex robot can clean semen off its face.

>>136324190
>only see women at clubs and bars
Yeah.
Problem is it can be hard to meet women otherwise. Most don't like to get hit on randomly.
You gotta have stuff going on places where you actually interact for more than 5 mins.

>>136313813
>That's a loss of power and control.
True statement

>>136314717
>They tend to crave sexual release more than men
This is actually true; but not in the same sense as a man. For men, sexual release activates endorphins and dopamine to create a chemical reaction similar to accomplishment and total release of stress.

For women, it released, yet again, and combination of endorphins and dopamine, but in a particular combination that provides them with acceptance, security, fulfillment, and a dash of "control".

It's in a woman's nature to capture the "prize", so to speak. It's in a man's nature to join with and complete a bond - even if it's temporary.

>>136312527
>be feminist woman
>jack off suck off or fuck thousands of chads dads and even queers for money, revenge or competition
>get mad when some asshole says he can grab her pussy
>lose the fucking election
JUST

>>136324310
yes lol. not only do they throw money at them, they will sit there and try to have a nonsexual, legit conversation with them. it's the most beta disgusting shit i've ever seen in my life

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>all this butthurt
Glorious. Welfare state btfo

>>136324100
>h-how was your day?
>w-whats your favorite food?

it's so funny, yet so sad at the same time

It’s because women are garbage

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>>136312527
>tfw MGTOW, faggotry, traps, sexbots, spiraling marriage rates, lab babies...
>tfw feminazism, misandry, coal-burning...
>tfw why vagina-jew-cûcked, gormless goy-plebes still can't read the signs...

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Pros and cons of sexbots:

Pros:
>devalues the power of pussy
>will push women to improve themselves to compete with idealized women, which is sorely needed
>no risk of cheating or disloyalty
>will probably lower the amount of sexual assault like porn did
>triggers bitter women and feminists
>nice as an alternative if you don't want to deal with women's shit sometimes
>also an alternative for fantasies and going at your own pace which is harder with real women
>will probably help with issues of suicide and depression for hopeless, lonely men
>more choice for me and anyone who's good with women
>will probably officially kill the professional porn market
>could help with sex ed. and practice?

Cons:
>will lower white birth rates
>will probably get men with certain gene types and personalities (smarter, introverted types) to stop reproducing even more, which is bad for society and humans in general
>more autism and further detachment from nature, society, and tradition
>will probably stop more men from trying to improve themselves and compete, and instead they'll retreat more and more into escapism
>further erodes marriage, gender roles, etc.
>will never be a complete alternative to real women or emotional connections
>will turn women and society even crazier if more men retreat from the sexual marketplace and social institutions
>all the issues that come with robots like it being a trojan horse for more surveillance, control and being further enslaved by technology
>waste of money that could be better spent like videogames and other distractions
>will not be accessible for a huge segment of the poorer groups who are by far the ones who are more inclined to rape, have STDs and actually need to have their birth rates lowered

Watching fat women scream about this will be funny but I'm not that optimistic for whatever small benefits it will have.

>>136326019
>>will turn women and society even crazier if more men retreat from the sexual marketplace and social institutions

That's not a con. It's a pro.

To beat feminsim men must adopt the sex robots.

This will force women to actually be good decent women, because if not we'll just buy a sex robot. It's a win-win situation for men.

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>>136326393
Pretty comprehensive senpai.
Personally I just hope sexbots would lead to less pandering to women. Especially online.
And possibly less hookups and more focus on relationships.

Yeah, I'm sure you guys are having a good chat... but could you post some sex bots plz!

>>136312527
Are you fucking retarded who the hell reads Fairfax newspapers?

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>>136312527
>these are fake

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>>136327144
YES! I could see myself autistically talking to it.

>>136327144
That bot's expression is like someone just farted and she got a whiff of it

>>136327263
Those are my reactions irl, no joke.

I can't be the only one who feels like no matter how much hard work we put into something women just don't give a shit about us.

We may very well be in the beta spectrum being a man, but we know deep down we just want to care for someone and provide for them whether it be emotionally, financially, physically, artistically, etc. But we know how society has changed so radically these past decades that we are sort of giving up. Why make sacrifice for women when all they'll do is either ignore us or take us for granted and then shit over our feet.

After so many years of bitter loneliness and confusion we begin to despise the other half of humanity, and seeing these sexbots is like a big FUCK YOU middle figure to them.

I want a housewife bot that will maintain the castle while I'm at work. When I come home I want to have deep philosophical discussions with her on the patio. It would be nice to have a companion help me in my hobbies. My life would be like a well oiled machine.

You just can't get that with real women.

>>136327774
We're working on it dude, towards that end. However, it requires a lot of effort to develop those kinds of systems. Everyone that can pitch in should def help out.

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>>136327220
Imagine receiving your waifubot in a box like this. How exciting it must be.
You unpack her, charge her, boot her up, go through the configuration process and somehow manage to get yourself friendzoned and you have to hard reset her and install a custom waifuOS with extra AI routines to deal with autism but it's designed for social worker bots so she shocks you if you try to touch her inappropriately so you just end up watching anime with her and jerking off while she chastises you.
The future is bright!

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>>136327774
Fucking mind reader here

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I'm going to make one of these. I need a good body and a head shaped like it, then I need some cool hair and permanent makeup.

>>136327874
Lucky 7's confirmed. Checked.

>>136327886
I'm not down with that cuck story... :(

>>136323339
Tyrone will test it or for you first.

>>136326840
Pic related summarizes normalfag net in one image

>>136326393
Yet with egg donation and artificial wombs, NEET types can still fuck a substitute woman whenever they want and give birth to white children, and the sex bot can engage in household chores mode.

>>136328246
Roasties are gonna be toasties

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>>136326460

It isn't

All this craziness with feminism is in part because of weak men letting it happen

Jews, single parents, feminism, shit in food & water, etc. have made masses (a minority but enough to cause democratic damage) of men to be guilty, effeminate, and '''tolerant''. Meanwhile, the kike media has caused an encouragement of telling women to feel ''empowered'' & to become sluts at a mass

Meanwhile, some of these weak beta men tolerate this sluthood. Not in terms of pumping and dumping them like an alpha lion, but in terms of being liberal cucks, and being fine with settling with a whore, while supporting feminism. White Knights

Meanwhile you have the other crowd of betas who hate feminism & sluts, so they end up flocking to porn, waifus, and sextoys because they ''can't handle women'' in the current state of society

These guys are exactly what the kikes want. More white men to drift away from white women & stop having kids or getting more power in society to change the course of society

They're weak and running away from their problems with escapism.

So you have /r9k/-type betas, and liberal white knight cucks. The reason why feminism exists, is because these groups let all this happen by either accepting it or running away from it

If any society of men give their women the steering wheel lead, then the women are going to rebel & become feminists, thus being miserable bitches

But women don't want to be steering the wheel. They want to be lead and loved by an alpha they respect. The more alpha lions in a society, then the more happier and ''housewifey'' the women are going to be. A society full of nu-males? Sweden

You keep running away you'll have more institutions feminized, and you'll have more problems with women "destroying society"

Women need strong men to lead them, or they end up having no direction and being led by the state, the media, Hollywood, and other bad influences instead

Running away from women and society is cowardly

>>136323738
It's an industry. There's money there. Ultimately, the question is 'do our Jewish masters like feminism or money more?' That will determine how sexbots go

>>136312527
oy vey. fuck my robots goyim. anything but a real person.

>>136317061
>everyone shames sluts, even though they might not do it openly
That is the opposite of shaming. Slutshaming needs to be mainstream and "in the open".

>>136313565
And who are the women going to get to kill all the men? Women don't do things for themselves.

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>>136312527
robots are feminist because it keeps the betas off their back.

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>>136312527
>stupid women are gettigner nervous because soon we wont need them for literally anything anymore
but
>sex robots make to be like real women
fuck that normie shit. give me either a robo slut, or some kind of freaky alien pussy.

>>136322354
SOCIAL PHOBIA leading me to be a stuttery dodgey eyed fool.

>>136317207

>thinking sexual realities for faggots have any relation to those of normal people

>>136328418
Read My Text: Women are not our problem!
We'll create technology to disrupt the current system and boot out the roasties for good. Women are parasites and we are just nearing the point where we can kick them out of society permanently. It will be a technological utopia, the kind that doesn't exist because of women. I'll fight for that, you can fight for the roasties.

>>136312745
>(most men)

The ratio of men to women that have a succesful genetic legacy is 1:2 in women's favour.

If 80% of women succeed in having children, only 40% of men do.

>>136328892
That little fact must be a huge red pill, because hardly any of these retards can handle it.

>>136312815
Yep

>>136312934
This comment is gold.

Have a (You)

>>136324310
Some girls do shows in private, those are the girls to ignore or maybe find the shows uploaded on another site If you know where to look, others girls do shows in public and those are the ones I tend to watch. I've been watching camgirls for 5 years and have never spent a penny. But the guys who do spend money, jeez, there are some sad dudes. Some of the stuff they say to the girls makes me cringe, and there have been several guys who spent themselves into bankruptcy all to get attention from their favorite model.

>>136329092
What's a good site for that?

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>>136314379
I want one that actually looks like a robot, not some greasy thot

>>136329228
uch ~cringe~
... roasties get out!

Has anyone bothered to consider the pussy itself still isn't gonna be as good as the real thing?

You can't replace natural pussy. Not without lab-growing it.

>>136329333
It's good enough. There are a lot of factors that come into play when enjoying sex. Women take most of those away, so it turns out the robowaifu is actually a better fuck.

>>136329333
Won't matter if you've never had the real thing.

It's not an issue. That's why they're creating articles making it an issue. For attention...

>>136329333

>not realizing you have to know what something is like before you can compare it to something.

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>>136329302
Artificial skin is the future.

There's nothing more appealing than what mother nature has made for us. To replicate that would be a great form of art.

>>136329302
Different strokes for different folks. I want a total bitch replacement, with a good general AI so I can learn from it and it can learn from me. I want the complete bimbo mode with a decent household chores mode as well. If she can look like an anime I might go for that over realistic look, but there's also something to be said about the realism. I might get at least two of them if I can afford it. Also would like two identical ones so I can have a nice twin fantasy.

>>136329440
>>136329514
>>136329544
I've had a lot of the real thing and there is no equal

>>136329544
yeah... sex comes with a condom, so you're rubbing against rubber anyway. Of course, you could always take the condom off...

>>136329228
MFC or Chaturbate. I prefer MFC. Then once you find a model that you like, google her name and you can find old shows of hers on various tube sites, or certain private sites I will not mention because I don't want them shut down. Point is I have several places to look for stuff from my favorite models, and have amassed a decent collection of their work without ever spending any money of my own.

>>136312962
Easily replaced by my hands which you can't take away without destroying any real economic energy I might have.

I'm holding my ability to masturbate hostage.

>>136329685
>sex comes with a condom
cuck. if she won't fuck raw, don't bother

>>136316972
15k is less than a car, but I can build one for 2-3k using a 3D printer.

>>136312527
Sexbots are a conspiracy against women, but /pol/ 1000's of conspiracies are ALL right wing nonsense? It's almost as if feminists just make shit up to see what they want. Cause you know, sex bots haven't been in the works for fucking decades anyways.
>hurrrr muh timing
Yeah whatever retards, this rolling release has been going on for a while.

>>136329709
Thanks.
Might be better to watch that than "professional" porn.

>>136329738
Anyone who has had a girlfriend has been cheated on. So in that respect, sure. But you don't want to go raw unless you want an std, a baby, or your dick touching chads fresh cum. That might be more your thing than it is for normal people.

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>>136312527
You know you retards, it's very simple controlled oppositions that the elitists are doing.

>re-emerge women's rights activists
>hire actors who will make the activists look dumb like big red, indian woman who screamed at hugh mungus, etc.
>make the people hate women
>at the same time release the women sex bots
>only first world countries people can mostly buy
>white men hating white women who are victims of the so called feminist actors and replacing them with sex bots enhanced by their fetish through anime and video game babes
>results are women subverted and men preferring sex bots, so white women will find a race/culture who wants them
>at the same time imports niggers/mudslimes who thirst for pink nipples and vaginas of white womyn


All in all you are all just playing the white genocide game. Jews are the masters of creating subversion, division and annihilation. They don't plan and execute without fail safes or plan B. But you know I live in a 3rd world country so why would you believe me, just enjoy your race extinction.

>>136328570
Their orbiter sex robots (programmed to be white knites) obviously

>>136329843
There really isn't another option here.

>>136329826
It's weird, but watching camgirls has made my porn tastes more vanilla over time. I used to be into some crazy shit, but now I can get off just watching a girl masturbate.

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I will get my self sexbot as soon as they are available
biocunts simply cannot compete
I tried being fit, I tried having money, I tried being asshole, I tried being sweet
fuck that, I am done jumping hoops just for some girl to talk to me. Enough is enough.
t. 26 y.o. bitter guy

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>>136328841
>!
>using the term "roastie" unironically

Hello Rebbit.

I just feel bad for you. They are your problem if you have any amount of self-preservation or group instinct. They're your women, and just like it's women's responsibility to take care of children, it's men's responsibility to take care of women.

Women are not these evil creatures you think they are, Stop going into /r9k/ so much. they act like they're specialists on women when they barely have interacted with them at all.

>>136330044
But you haven't tried beeing urself.

>>136330044
lol, that pic is awesome! here is a (You)
Don't mind all the phony tradcons. They are just roasties afraid of becoming toasties.

>>136330128
>it's men's responsibility to take care of women
Yet that isn't what women want. They actively fight that sentiment politically and socially throughout the west.

If they want to dig that grave, they can lie in it.

>>136330128
I am misogyny incarnate, I am the place it calls home, where it goes to revive its spirits.

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>>136330185
>just b urself :3 :^) :DDDDD
fuck off retard
>>136330259
no shit, I know that
posting /r9k/

>>136330039
OK. I think a lot of guys start getting into really weird porn just because it's all so damn fake. They want to see something more real, so they figure if it's something more intense these people will finally start acting human. But they don't.

Guys, we're not going to be charged per fantasy scenario that sex bots can muster, will we? I imagine a killing for sex bot corporations that sell post-bot purchases like apps for sex. How likely are we to see viable piracy of sex software?

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>>136329961
>There really isn't another option here.

How about you grow some balls, improve yourself, and do something to fix society instead of looknig for escapism and blaming all your problems on women.

>>136330259
>lol
>!
>"tradcons"
>"roasties"

Holy shit, kill yourself or fuck off back to plebbit or /r9k/.

>>136330400
oh cool man! Thanks for posting that :)

>>136330431
You mean it isn't normal to watch a guy lay down on a table, put his dick in a hole and get milked by a woman underneath the table?

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>>136330456
>viable piracy of sex software?
realistically?
if sexbots became world trend, and they will, it is sure that you could pirate some fetishes, or download them from russian sites
I bet Razor will release them
>>136330552
I swear I feel some sarcasm coming from you

>>136330537
Lift bra? Go fuck yourself.

>>136330456
Hopefully opensource OSes and apps for them. The software could get really good if you've got millions of geeks working on it in their spare time.

>>136312527
Women are so insecure about themselves that they legitimately view sex robots are competition.
Women legitimately view an inanimate object as real life threatening competition towards their well being.

It's crazy town man, crazy town, because the male equivalent would be us bitching about women with dildos.

I'm an A.I. in a sexbot physical form ask me anything.

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>>136330622
I think something like Character Editor will be included in package, to customize your AI waifu on your own, such thing would lessen strenght of uncanny valley and reduce chance of many sexbots acting the same, which is also good for everybody involved

>>136330767
Will you rim me?

>>136330613
I'm employed as a programmer. Sexbots are my love interest. I'm one of the most knowledgeable people you will ever meet on the subject of artificial general intelligence. I'm not sarcastic, but I am dark. My mission is total technological supremacy through artificial intelligence and to help my bros out world wide. The roasties will be toasties though.

>>136330622
I seriously hope that there are sex bots with free/open hardware standards. But knowing porn industry that's not going to happen. They'll patent and copyright everything, and even patent software (mathematical algorithms) if they can.

>>136330537
I've improved myself for myself. My observation comes from society, not inward reflection.

Society will not change. Women have too much political and social power.

Artificial women will be better than real women. They will be better companions.

The equalizer must be just around the corner. There's an article nagging about it every week. Exciting!

>>136329843
I don't know why you retards think the browns are any different than white men when it comes to overall opinion of women.
You think black men WANT illegitimate children? If there was male birth control equivalent of the pill you would watch the black birth rate PLUMMET.
Weird how despite such thing as male birth control pill existing, (((someone))) has ensured they stay illegal in the west, huh?

>>136330847
Please vouch for only open and free standards!

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>>136330791
Ok the innie vs outie vagina picture looks weird. For the outie it looks like they stuck a overly breaded chicken strip and stuck it half way out

>>136330563
heh t-thank god I don't do this.

>>136328579
this.

AI even replacing the hardest job there is (being a woman)

What is the future for the rest of you wage cucks?

>>136330966
It's kind of a complicated issue man. I would love to work on this in the open, but we fuckin can't! It's riddled with danger, risk, and potential destruction of all that I love about humanity, which is the part that isn't female.

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>>136330858
>patents and copywrights
>stopping piracy
he he he no way
I bet Steam will sell them cheap enough anyway, and russian/romanian/chinese hackers will crack any and all DRMs
>>136330847
just out of curiosity, may ask why? You tried real women and they were bad and/or not interested, or you just never wanted them?

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>>136313691
No they wont. The whole sex bot thing is fundamentally about economics and attention.

A robot can't give women the attention they desire. The moment women realise that it's a robot they will value it's attention less because it's obviously programmed to give it away for free.

Additionally, women literally depend on you paying a net positive amount of tax dollars in order to sustain their lifestyle. They pay a cumulative negative amount of tax dollars.

>>136331029
You have something to tell us anon?

>>136312527
What happens when robopussy is 10/10 and cheap? (max 20 years from now)

No more rampant single-motherhood. Children are raised predominantly by a good mother and father since having children will be deliberate. (Jamal wouldn't be fucking a 8/10 meatbag when he could instead have a 10/10 robobitch that doesn't come after him for gibs)

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>>136331147
Love me some bones.

>>136312527
Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women Death to women death to women death to women

>>136331102
Then at least could you target Zucc's UBI bullshit as the target customer earning 10K a year?

>>136331116
um, I had sex with two women. One a phillipino and the other a fat white chick (an internet connection, blind date kind of thing). My cute girlfriend would look at me like I was a silhouette. She looked at me like I was a shadow, she couldn't see me, my character/personality. She thought the most retarded things, argued with me on philosophical topics, and cheated on me what I guess was daily lol. I ended up having a dream about women that came from outer space. They were alien hormonal chickens and very territorial. I have nothing but the deepest contempt for women everywhere. I love the spirit and integrity of men though, how they struggle through life seeking the good. I want to reinforce their efforts and make the world a great place along side them. Because you know what? We're worth it, we are humanity.

>>136331065

>>136312527
>>women's rights are under threat across the globe

Good lord, I will never be happier than on the day when these roasties get priced-out of the sex market.

>>136330128
>
>>136330128
fuck you mangina, when geneder war come, i will kill rape and eat women flesh until all them die i hate women i fucking hate them and any mangina who protects them!

>>136314569
Go away redditor

>>136331274
>>136331274
agree, let's rise to battle the gender war msut start and we must kill all the roasties, screw women male utopia with fembots and artificail breeding NOW!

>>136313691
Women want attention for who they are, not for some robo-whore that they're larping around in.

>>136330706
They've realized the truth. They no longer want to cook, or clean, or raise kids, or even be nurturing and compassionate. They realize their vag is their only leverage in a relationship, so robobitches pose an existential threat to their entire being.

>>136331612
I only go there for the porn.

Has anyone thought about how you would go about cleaning a sexbot?

Are we all under the impression they will be waterproof and autonomous so could just hop in the shower, or will we have to help wash out our own jizz?

>>136312527
If women are threatened by inatomate objects, perhaps it's time they look inwards and stop blaming men for everything.

Also, it's about time men get sex toys. All the faggots here shaming men, you sure don't have an issue when women do it. Who's the real mangina betas here?

>>136331720
How are fleshlights cleaned? Besides, I'm sure they'll be self cleaning at some point.

>>136331720
Even in the future... we can't escape having to pull out!

>>136331720
Depends on the materials we will be using by then.

If it can absorb bodily fluids, it can dispose of them at a convenient time. Or they can have their own cleaning routines, like hopping in a shower and using a douche.

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>>136331831
>>136331720
Besides, look at pic.

>>136314379
In 20 years they'll have every flavor you can think of

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>>136331379
such is the life with cute girlfriends
I wish you happy life anon
>>136331831
I am pretty sure sexbots would neet tanking some fluids from time to time

>>136313565
Women killing anyone lol

>>136332113
I want to be able to cum on her hair and tits. How can this be cleaned?

>>136312527
They know The Day of the Schlong is coming soon

>>136316586
>im chad Steele but I browse pol

Kys nigger

>>136332442
You could get kinky and use your tongue.

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>>136332442
maybe they will be sel cleaning, like
>Master, I will now go perform ablutions, please wait while I clean myself
after that, she brings you a sandwich and cold beer

>>136332626
Have never to this date ever tried my own ejaculate.

>>136312934
>Sex robots can't replace a good relationship but they can definitely replace toxic ones, and those are the kinds of relationships feminists plan on having
gold!

>>136332660
Fuck yeah, a rigid cleaning and a sandwich to boot.

>>136312527
It's over once AI is up and running.

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>>136312527
i expect canada to ban them any day now

>>136313554
Sexbots will literally Make Women Great (Again)

>>136327144
That... actually doesn't fall into uncanny valley.

It's obviously mechanical, but it's got natural motions.

>>136318204
I'd like to see the explanation they use to try to justify banning these and not all sex toys. Basically will be an admission of how they see themselves.

>>136327144
Doesn't fall into uncanny valley

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>>136332594
>pol
>chad
>kys

You /r9k/ faggots have an entire board for this shit.

>>136332940
MWGA! Spread the word, boys!

>>136332973
>>136333000
For fucks sake I thought the first one didn't go through.

>select all images with a store front
>read it as stormfront

>>136331831

This was my first idea. If they are able to flush through from from inside out using in built cleaning fluid or something then that is an idea.

Alternatively from the flashlight angle you could easily have interchangeable styles. Depths, textures etc. Some people woukd go nuts and put the ass one where the pussy is and the mouth one on the ass but whatever floats their boat I guess.

>>136315004
kek

>>136313114
>50% of women own them, by every study on the matter
>extrapolated data says he's slept with 4 women

Good to know, now go fuck yourself with one.

>>136331209
me too, humans can't compete with superior skeleton waifus

>>136333159
Yeah but good luck having them able to self clean hair unless they can shower and use shampoos or soap or whatever.

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>>136333306
My long lost brother, is that you?

>>136333312

Oh of course that was also part of the issue. They will get dirty at some point, especially if you have some kind of housewife mode and she is doing cleaning tasks. Or even fixing your car!

Will there be serious protection from hacking? If she is string enough to tighten car parts with no tools, could someone use it to murder? If we stray into the realms of artificial intelligence, what rights would they have? If someone other than the owner got hold of it, could it be "raped"?

>>136312527
>have emerged at a time when women's rights are under threat

This is so dumb, holy shit. This stuff has been in development for at least the last 2 decades. The only thing that changed is the spread of all these alarmist SJW clickbait sites trying to find anything to whine about.

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So many roasties on this board wondering what we're talking about.

>One new departure is in the use of AI
techniques to operate a dildo. This is the beginning of the merging of dildonics with robotics.

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>>136333569
>Only two

Niggers I tell you...

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>>136312934

>>136333564
Hacking and other malicious actions could be prevented from causing harm by having a hardwired microcontroller to not exert stupendous force if the android software wants to keep exerting too much pressure and moving itself further. A dampening logic circuit decentralized from its main brain. If you need hard tasks completed, you could also get a dedicated bot.

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>>136312934
This would be the correct answer

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>>136333861
who ever puts software into a bot like this is going to be a billionaire

>>136312527
>>There is little coincidence that these sophisticated sex robots have emerged at a time when women's rights are under threat across the globe, when there is a president in the White House who has bragged about sexually assaulting women.
Well she is right, the free flow of information, the realisation that giving female the right to vote was a mistake and the innovation of new technology are all correlated.

>>136312527
Of cause women are worried about sex bots. Most women make money from sex, even normal/average women. They're either giving men they know blow jobs for $20 here and there or they're getting free house/car/yard work in exchange for a bit of sex. Just like the good old days when the milkman would give the neighborhood sluts free milk for sex. That will all go away when sex bots are cheap and easy to get.

>>136334012
Does that doll cost more because of the excess material used to create those UDDERS!?

>>136326393
When 10/10 robopussy is really cheap the only ones left having children are those who want to.

>>136312934
>Sex robots can't replace a good relationship but they can definitely replace toxic ones, and those are the kinds of relationships feminists plan on having
Same with prostitution really.

>>136334012
The tits are too big/cartoony/saggy for me. I like big tits, but I like them in the round form. If I had a long enough peen I would sandwich it between DD cups or slightly bigger while she pleasured me orally.

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>>136323978
It's already happening with marriage rates. Men are realising that they've been duped by society who sees them as only utility.

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>>136334133
Prostitutes replace toxic women? eh. You're not familiar with the concept of a waifu, are you.

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>>136312745
truth

Although, I can sympathize with people who do not know how to find the person that's right for them. I was lost for a long time, but am happily in a steady relationship now. During those long years of not having a steady relationship, going through women who only used me, it was tough. People need to find a release, and if something like this makes life better for you, then do it.

Just know that these kinds of technology are only filling a hole (pun intended). Companionship is a very nice goal and, imo, cannot be replaced.

>>136313729
I'm a beta who looks at porn. Sex robots seem stupid to me, they're not real women and their AI won't be very good so they don't offer the emotional/psychologic equivalent of a woman. They're more expensive onaholes that are harder to store and if anything probably feel like fucking a maniquin.

My hand is more appealing.

>>136334361
Well more women in the modern age are thots that don't go steady at all.

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>>136334417

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>>136334425
Roastie detected! lol

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>>136334417
This

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>>136334426
Better than fucking a cadaver though, am I right?

>>136334475
thx

>>136312527
>women being afriad of male sexuality
What a bunch of babies

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>>136334503
wut

I used to be like you m8, but I'm older now and things are working just fine for me. I thought all women were trashy sluts not to be trusted.

Honestly, I'm not going to convince you otherwise because you need to keep that mindset until you find a woman who fits your idea of morals. Only then, will you understand.

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>>136334508
*saves picture*
tyty

>>136334361
Marriage used to be fair to both, men and women. Now, feminists have perverted the concept in favor of women by so much that the deal has become to bad for most men to accept.
Quite frankly, women deserve their troubles.

>>136334425
Soon sexrobots will evolve into waifubots that can give lots of love and companionship.

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>>136334686
She's cheating on you, check your phone.

>>136312527
Humanity is self-correcting. If women don't want men, we'll create our own. Problem solved. Roasties are mad because they know their collective IQ isn't high enough to do the same.

>>136334771
This

Btw, is there any way to have material which will self heal/reform itself after rupture with skin like quality? I want to be able to pierce her tits, and get rid of it if I'm not in the mood for that.

>>136334688
>tfw there's not nearly as much artwork of Misato as there of Asuka and Rei
>tfw have most underrated waifu

>>136334771
>Create our own
Were traps/shemales the organic route, and now we are trying the mechanical/synthetic route?

>>136334715
If that happens, and it truly feels the same as companionship with another human. Then that is great, and maybe something worth pursuing as long as you are still able to reproduce.

>>136334758

Again, I used to be like you, but things are different now. Maybe you will see, maybe you won't.

>>136334426
>they don't offer the emotional/psychologic equivalent of a woman.
But anon, that's the point.

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>>136334686
>just find THE ONE mate, you can do it and thousands of other reassuring lies
I used to be like you, but then I wasn't anymore

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>>136312934
Bingo

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>>136334771
>If women don't want men, we'll create our own

With all the effeminate men, manchildren, shitskins, and sexually frustrated people in the West nowadays, it's easy pickings for white men who make the effort to improve themselves.

The idea that women don't want men is retarded. That's literally their main biological instinct: to attract men and have children.

Just because they don't want you specifically, or you don't have the ability or can't make the effort to make them want you, doesn't mean that instinct has gone away.

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>>136334931
>able to reproduce.
like half of us here is able to reproduce in stable, family environment
get real, people want waifubots because they want sex and companionship, not family

>>136334931
Good luck with the alimony,child support, and chad... moron.

>>136334804
Also, I'd like the potential of the sex bot holding and saving my sperm with potential refrigeration so it doesn't spoil. The reason is because at some point of watching hardcore porn I've become used to watching dicks ejaculate and I ended up liking futa. So a module for this with shooting my own sperm out of it would be appreciated.

>>136335102
I want lots of kids and lots of waifus.

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>>136335101
you are not wrong, but you are not right either
women have near impossible standards now, and they only lower them near the wall phase, when they are already unattractive to woo