How do we solve the fat problem? Do we punish the fat or

I hate raisins so much, my god. Gimme a bowl of weetabix or porridge or something

>>136242820
Why? German raisins are too sweet or something?

even though living a healthier life is reward already, I really don't see why people who live healthy lives can't get some tax credit, afterall, they're not sagging the country in medical bills vs. fat obese people.

>>136242569
Don't pay for their medical expenses when they need procedures, since their condition is self inflicted

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>>136243129
Healthcare in here is free for everyone.

>>136242569
>Eating fruit.

Never gonna make it.

>>136242569
Swap that shit out with some chocolate cheerios

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Taxpayer money for "free healthcare" should never go to fat people medicine and procedures.
Or just make the whole system go away, really.

>>136242569
In America at least we'd have to take on things like the sugar industry.
>>136243240
It obviously isn't, it's paid for in taxes. You could levy tax increases on people who were overweight.

>>136242986
>Take money to pay the unhealthy
>give it back

Sounds like a losing proposition to me anon.

>>136242569

Don't worry about it man, I'm writing a piece of brain training software for it. It will retrain the brain's reward centers to dislike fattening foods.

>>136242569
We already punish the fat. Or at least pretty girls do.

>>136242569
we don't, fuck socialism and fuck all socialists

>>136244002
So what the US used to have before leftists ruined it.

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ex-fattie here. lost 150 pounds in the last 2 years.

there is basically no hope. there's just too much abundance, too much sugar in everything, and it's all too cheap. the population will continue getting fatter and fatter until the next depression/world war.

>>136244221
NLP is cancer and pseudoscience.

>>136242569
i actually was fat as fuck and ate junkfood like a pig but lately I've been depressed as fuck and can't even eat much. Lost like 15 pounds.

>>136244305
>lost 150 pounds
Wait, how fat were you?

>>136242569
make healthcare illegal

>>136244388
I wish I could get depressed. I can't because nothing fucking matters compared to the scale of the Universe.

>>136242569
BMI analysis to receive public benefits

>>136244221
Tell me more. I study Cognitive Science. What are you planning to do?

>>136244453
my top weight was 306 and i'm 150 now.

There's nothing wrong with fat, it's sugar.

Drinking skimmed milk wont make you thinner than if you were drinking whole milk.

>>136244469
>I wish I could get depressed
Trust me you don't want it. I sometimes even lose the will to move and just sit there like a statue while dreaming with my eyes open sometimes even for hours until some passerby revives me.

>>136242569
>How do we solve the fat problem?
Ignore it and mind your own business, most of life's problems go away when you stop worrying about others and worry about yourself instead.

>Do we punish the fat or reward the healthy?
If it was such a problem wouldn't people be rewarded and punished for being fat or not?

>>136244002
>Taxpayer money for "free healthcare" should never go to fat people medicine and procedures.
Even if the care they need is totally unrelated to being fat or not?

>>136244556
How is it like to be a bat?

After finishing CogSci I must inform you that this field is a meme and you just lost 5 years of your life.

>>136244388
>i actually was fat as fuck and ate junkfood like a pig but lately I've been depressed as fuck and can't even eat much. Lost like 15 pounds.
You are still fat as fuck then.

>>136244556
I did the same for my brother back in the day but I didn't know how to code so I hid pebbles in his donuts, cakes, red meat. I spray painted his loaves of bread. etc.

Trained that fucker right up he is vegan now and in great shape.

>>136244584
There's nothing wrong with sugar, it's fat.

Eating sugar free cookies wont make you thinner than if you were drinking whole cookies.

>>136242569
You'd think sex and self-respect would take care of this on their own, but somehow they don't

>>136242569
Cut sugar intake to 20g a day.
People aren't getting fat eating meat and vegetables. They're drinking coke with 40g of sugar in a can and eating cookies that are like 50 cal each.

It is not portion sizes, it is not abundance. It is sugar.

>>136244587
Feels, I just lay in bed all day until I work then go back to bed. Fuck life but suicide is just retarded. Maybe if I could get someone to kill me.

>>136242569
Do both.

The worst thing is that being fat literally turns you retarded. We need to start making obesity in children a punishable child abuse offence.

We simply don't help them. You get no government support for health problems that are caused by your obesity.

After that, they will be bred out. Obesity is essentially a genetic problem stemming from poor self control, which is why it is most common in groups that lack self control in general, such as blacks and spics. Once you allow natural selection to take place and root out those genes, you will see the obesity epidemic start to disappear.

fat people get diabetes
one of the major symptoms is significant weight loss in a short amount of time.
AIDS also has the same effect.
coacaine and meth amphetamines.

start putting amphetamines in the water to suppress appetite.

>>136242569
Just start to implement real fatshaming, make it normal to laugh at and insult fatties. Give them less rights, for example they aren't allowed to become teachers or even take the bus. Also military style phys ed all throughout school to prevent it from happening.

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>>136244928
Pepdi Max has no sugar, right?

>>136244845
https://lowerthought.wordpress.com/complete-notes-to-good-calories-bad-calories/

please read this book. Here are the notes. The best researched book ever on the topic of health. Great just for the historical view on why the government says what things are healthy and what isn't. Your view never had any evidence gathered for it. The attack on fat is pure dogma pushed by a few people, historical accident, and horrible government bungles.

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>>136242569
I think the most reasonable thing to do would be to punish the parents who overfeed their children. Enforce a certain healthy menu for all school cafeterias. It might be almost impossible to fix the older generations, but if you raise children with healthy habits, not addicted to sugar, there is a chance to reduce the number of obese people eventually.

Deregulate medical care! Expand the offering of hazardous treatments! Let people take risks with their own bodies, and trust in their rationality. The ones who are worthy of your trust will rise from their actions, and the ones who are unworthy of your trust will sink from their actions.

>>136242569
Easy, stop subsidizing corn and disband the AHA for pushing debunked 1930's propaganda about fat=bad

>>136244295
That's the right attitude brother! Greetings from Denmark :)

>>136245346
This too

>>136245236
Yes, but it is still junk that will destroy your teeth with its acidity.

If you lack self control so much that you need to guzzle fake sugar water to keep your mouth full, you probably shouldn't be alive in the first place.

>>136242569
Punishing the fat sounds way more fun, and is probably less expensive than rewarding anyone for anything.

>>136244845
The 80s called, they want their nutrition advice back

>>136245385
I need to stay awake for 2 days straight you moron. Sleep deprived brain need more sugar to function normally. It loses its efficience. Same goes for the rest of the body. You need more and more energy to keep the same level of performance.

>>136244707
I already have the same realisation. Gonna go into science journalism instead.

instead of a fiat currency based economy

make an economy based of of the calorie
or maybe a lipid/fat based economy.
one dollar garuntees you a pound of fat. and vice versa

>>136242820
Same, love juicy grapes not some dried up bullshit

>>136242569
Make cross country mandatory in high schools

>>136242569
Punish the fat. Lazy people don't care about rewards.

>>136244102
Refined sugar is arguably a drug. Sort of like alcohol, most people here become tolerant to it at a very young age, but remember when it made you go psycho? Little kids and tribesmen who've never had it do the same thing.

>>136244305
>too much sugar
you're a retard

>>136245604
I went into Comp-Sci and Bioinformatics. Humanities is shit when it comes to wages. Respect yourself. Get a well paying job.

>>136245583
You need 20 g of carbohydrates per day to function properly and not feel like shit, everything else can be drawn from fat

>>136245583
try caffeine.

>>136245748
Not if you don't sleep for more than 24 hours.

>>136242569
>Do we punish the fat or reward the healthy?
Neither, the universe already does both.
Just let nature take its course.

>>136244582
are you all saggy?

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Make people want to be healthy. Have society shift towards becoming more social and encouraging social encounters.

Malls were originally designed for this: to bring communities together and help the Brownian motion of society improve people. Obviously this was bad for kikes because it stopped people from becoming cattle, and malls died in favor of Walmarts and Costcos.

Pokemon GO is a good idea of what we should be striving for: giving incentive for normalfags and manchildren to both congregate and interact with each other. Pokemon GO is a bad product but the initial impact it had on society is what we need to keep having.

Get fat fucks to go walk more, get them to make friends who like walking, encourage them to explore their town and society. Then people will start getting fit, they'll start interacting with each other, they'll start improving their ideals and physique to better impress their peers, compete with friends, and meet the goals their incentives require.

>>136245783
Believe it or not Pepsi is all about caffeine.

>>136245884
>Have society shift towards becoming more social and encouraging social encounters.
How do we ban the Internet?

>>136245884
>Have society shift towards becoming more social and encouraging social encounters.
I'd imagine social drinking and eating contribute a lot more to the problem than some walking around

>>136246043
Not mentally, people who do anything social in real life have an advantage over people who conduct the majority of their social contact online regardless of literally all other factors.
Even if they're SJWs, they have the edge by bouncing around other people constantly instead of sitting stagnant in their safe-space room.

A chart with:
- Height
- Weight
- Gender
- Fat/Muscle ratio
- Healt condition
If you have a good stat you pay less taxes, for a bad stat you pay more.

captcha: piazza place

>>136242569
If you think that meal is healthy, I have bad news for you anon, check the sugar content of those raisins, then check which is the real enemy of the health conscious.

Is that coco powder in there?

been bulking for a while and finally managed to grow some meat on me. doesn't look pretty but it sure beats being a malnourished skeleton. what works for cutting, just fasting and avoiding garbage? should I do some kind of cardio or just sit-ups?

>>136246822
Sports

>>136246883
what if I hate socialising with other people? I've had my fill of footy

>>136246768
Real Coco powder without sugar and honey.

>>136244701
No just remove their coverage brought on by their unhealthy lifestyle.
Like heart disease or diabetes.
Do the same for smoking and alcohol abuse while we're at it. You should pay for your own poor choices.

>>136244388
Fucking jealous. I wish I could starve when depressed. I always eat when I'm sad.

>>136242569

you can just chew food and spit it out once you taste it and never get fat. god is a retard he should've put tastebuds way at the bottom of your throat.

>>136242569
Why not both?

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Put images of the effects of what happens if they keep eating unhealthy food, just like how it was done with cigarettes.

>>136247674
Sounds like you are a retard. You need tastebuds in your mouth to detect whether the food is fit for consumption or if its spoiled or poisonous. You can't spit out something that you've already swallowed.

>>136245729
He isn't wrong.

>>136248082

durr what are eyeballs for. do you just eat your borscht without looking at it?

>>136247953
So you are one of those faggots who think this a good way to make things happen?

It's not just smokers who have to deal with those fucking images, I have to much those eye-drains whenever I get with someone who smoke.

At least the original packages had cool designs.

>>136248247
Not every food has telltale signs of spoilage.
Besides, it was probably far more relevant in pre-historic times, when people were discovering new types of food.
We didn't evolve much since then.

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>>136247674
>taste rotten food
>its at the tip of your tongue so you spit it out
>have tastebuds at the end of your tongue
>taste rotten food
>swallow it
>die
american education

>>136245346
This.

>>136248794

>eat 1000 cakes and spit them out
>don't get fat

god is dumb

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You privatize healthcare.

Alright, now wait.

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>>136242569
punish the fat so when they get healthy their reward for being healthy is not getting punished.

It has to be physical punishment though or no one will care

sincerely,
a fat person

>>136246936
Just run or bike. Get a music player or something to stave off boredom.

>>136248980
you can also put a finger down your throat and throw it up. You see, this system is faggot proof. so if you want to do that you cannot be gay because of all the deepthroating. god is smarter than you think

>>136242569
You change these things the way you change anything - by shaming them. Why does degeneracy run rampant? Because nobody is ashamed anymore. Why is nobody ashamed anymore? Because people don't get shamed for being degenerates. It only works on weak willed people though.
It works on sluts because being sluts they need to feel needed/wanted hence why they're sluts. Fat people have absolutely zero willpower and that's why they're fat. Etc.
It doesn't work on people who aren't cucks. Note the people who try to "shame" white people (I know, it's completely fucking moronic to try and shame people for being the best, but we're talking about Jews manipulating weak willed people). They're either weak white cucks or people absolutely buttdevastated they'll never be white. They try to shame whites for being whites and the only ones who fall for it are cucks. They try to shame Trump for being a nationalist, but he isn't a cuck so it won't work. The more you try to shame strong willed people the more they embrace it. The more you shame weak willed people the more the shy away from it (in their mind if someone is being shamed for something then that means the majority don't do it and, because these people only ever follow, they drop what it is so the majority don't abandon them).
It's literally that straight forward.
How did people suddenly go from being "racist" to being "anti-racist"? By shaming "racists" as "uneducated bigots". You'll find it literally everywhere there's been a dramatic shift, you just don't notice it because you aren't looking for it, but that's what it always comes down to.
Shaming people is the easiest way to make anyone change. How often have you seen "X said I was Y so I did Z"? Shaming people is just basically being critical of them and making people take notice so they'll change their ways. Now remind me what happens when you criticize a Jew?

>>136249233
Enjoy your bulimia

>dont eat whitebread
>dont eat processed food
>stay away from SUGAR (except honey, fruits)
>oh and dont eat anything that has wheat in it
Pretty easy fix

>>136242986

Im working in hospital several years and i can tell you there is little difference between fat and fit person there are too many diseases which dont care if you are fat or fit like superman. Both should pay more if they have diseases. Im pro banning free health care in my country so only strongest and rich people can survive which will make next generations much more stronger.

>>136249605
im pretty big, i dont throw up. i like feeling strong, and with a little bit of extra food reserves i feel more energized and strong than without.

>>136242569
>How do we solve the fat problem?
get rid of farm subsidies

no more cheap corn syrup, no more land whale diabetes

>>136242569
Healthcare shouldn't be paid by people's tax money. It's not just a waste of money, it actively destroys the nation.
If you abolished healthcare and forced people to pay for their own health, you would see people become fit and healthy, or die.
A lot of tax payer money is spent on healthcare, imagine if you could take all that money out of healthcare and invest it in something else, like public gyms and free martial arts training.

>>136249233

that erodes your teeth i like my way better

>>136242569
fat taxation.

stupid fucks will have to pay for other people healthcare

>>136250179
If people who need the most healthcare have to pay more for healthcare, don't you think the entire idea of ''healthcare'' is fucking ridiculous and we shouldn't be forced to pay for other people's healthcare in the first place?
What next? People who break their legs a lot doing stunts need to pay more? People who smoke need to pay more? Women who get pregnant a lot need to pay more? If we are going down this slippery slope, why not let every individual pay for their own healthcare depending on their own needs?
This is a complete waste of tax payer money.

>>136242569
>why not both.jpg

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All the foods that are easy to make or easy to get are extremely high in calories. The best thing to do is to regulate these industries. If they want to sell processed food at the expense of public health then they should either make their foods healthier or face fines.

Doing away with democracy would do wonders for the human race.

>>136242569
Have a free market of health insurance where people save shitloads of money by being healthy

>>136242569
The healthy are already rewarded with an attractive, fully-functional body, while the fat are punished with disgusting, immobilizing bodies that forever leave them uncomfortable.
I certainly don't want more government gibs going out to over half the population just because they aren't fat sacks of crap, so the next best thing is punishing fatties.
If you are obese, then you should be considered a strain on society; any welfare you might receive will cease, and you will be given orders by the government to start losing weight within the next 30 days or face sterilization.
If it is shown you haven't made any progress losing weight, then the government will come to your house and forcibly sterilize you, and you'll be given further orders to lose weight within the next 30 days or face euthanization.

>>136242569
Neither you clubfooted polish fuck

The only way to heal a situation that exists in the minds of everyone involved (that is to say, peoples will to either over eat or be healthy) has to be practically invisible

We don't talk about the things that go right, giving other incentives for being one or the other only causes other problems you can't even imagine yet.

Being healthy has to be the biproduct of a better society, not the thing that you think MAKES a better society.

Theres way too many angles to approach this from on a country to country basis that any half bean dip shit brained ideas I might have will probably for sure not work in a country like Poland.

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>>136251139
BULLSHIT!

>>136251749
You had to peel that and then prepare all the other ingredients to make a meal. All of this would have taken 10-15 minutes to an hour including cleanup. Americans would rather drive 5 minutes and back to get a Big Mac meal from McDonalds.

>>136252644
You can eat them raw mate.

>>136253338
He's a yank, he probably thinks they're apples mate

>>136253338
Americans would rather have a passable burger rather than vegetables.

>>136245310
CC stop seducing that pupper and go back to being 2D.

>>136245240
>https://lowerthought.wordpress.com/complete-notes-to-good-calories-bad-calories/

I have read that book. This discussion is about weight, and weight is exclusively determined by calories in and calories out apart from the inefficiency created by ketosis, which isn't relevant for more than a tiny sliver of people.

The very idea that a person who occupies himself with "research" on the topic of health being capable of upending all of physics is absurd on its face. My point to you is both your statement and mine are incorrect.

>>136245455
I'm sure we were wrong then but right now, right? The idea that one calorie source is somehow inherently better than another for the purpose of managing weight is absurd on its face. The only possible argument lies in trigger for satiety, but actual results refute it.

>>136242569
Rewarding the healthy isnt going to change the flawed eating habbits of unhealthy people.

People are just dumb, thats why they're fat, they don't care, have no will power, give up too easy, are greedy, they are a lost cause desu, if someone doesnt want to lose weight and actually want it instead of just saying it, then just let them die

>>136255074
Calorie intake is exclusive determined by behavior and hormones. You're taking a complex piece of biology and trying to reduce it to physics. Just because biology has some physics in it doesn't mean it's physics.
Hunger is one of our strongest urges. If you allow the population to eat shitty foods that throw their hormonal balance off, they'll have an urge to eat more of that food. Food companies know this too. Why do you think foods are so carb heavy these days?

>>136251139
What faggot you cant just nibble on a head of cabbage

Or a carrot

Or a broccoli

Or any of the hundreds of other vegetables that are cheap as fuck and ready to eat with zero preparation

>>136255738
Foods are carb heavy because it makes them less expensive to produce, and last longer without refrigeration. This means their total delivered cost is lower.

You are conflating biology and matters of philosophy. If it were a matter of biology only you'd find obese animals all over the place in times of abundance, yet there are few. In humans any attempt to restrict calories for the purpose of weight reduction requires self discipline more so than tricks. This is why the pace of obesity in the west continues undisturbed regardless of the prevailing nutritional advice.

Fad diets are not new and nearly all of them "work" for weight reduction if they are followed. Also most all of them are sales pitches intended to sell people something, whether we are talking the early 1800s high fiber diet pitched by the guy who invented Graham crackers, the Pritikin Longevity Center saying fat and cholesterol is bad, eat-a-grapefruit-every-meal, raw food, 40-30-30, veganism, paleo.....all of it "works" if the necessary self discipline is in place.

>>136242569
>How do we solve the fat problem?
redpill everyone on the anti-fat meme promoted by the sugar jew

>>136242569
doesn't life already do both of those things though?

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>>136244305

>>136256886
like a rabbit.

>>136242569
restrict and monitor HFC and other food additives would be a great start.
That shit has been proven to have highly addictive properties, and we in the states still spam it in everything, and look how fat we are

Obesity is natural selection, and we are in the middle of a population bottleneck worldwide.

The lazy people who lack the basic impulse controls to not eat all day long or gorge themselves on sugar will not produce healthy children, if they manage to produce any at all.

It is a problem that is in the process of solving itself.

>>136258063
can confirm. when mc donalds did their 2 bigmacs for 5 buck deal I started getting them for me and my gf. normally I never go to mc donalds because you can get better food for the same price elsewhere. we were hooked within the month. I still crave the fucking things they are like cigarettes.

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>>136242569
eat this healthy food

>>136242820
t.germanic autist

>>136259071
hello payek

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eat monkeys

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>>136242569
>Do we punish the fat or reward the healthy?
Both.

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>>136259071
Protip : soup won't make you fat.

>>136260778
are you sure? I've been making Italian zucchini and sausage soup for a while and its a treat. I didnt think it was good for me though.

>>136261429
No meat in the soup. Stick to vegetables only.

>eat whatever I want
>usually choose healthy stuff because it tastes better
>if I eat too much I fast the next day to reset everything
>never gain weight, healthy and active

>fatties
>eat everything whether they want it or not
>then eat some more
>shove it down and push in more
>keep eating
>snack between eating
>wash it down with a constant supply of beetusjuice and starfucks 1,000 calorie sugarbombs
>roll around, burp, eat even more

Fatties have to actively work at eating as much as possible to get to be these 400 pound landwhales.

Just let them be fat. The free (dating) market will take care of it. Less competition, and the natural trash gets fat so it's like a neon sign of a shit person. I think it's great.

>>136261983
I thought you would say that.

Lock them up in fat prisons.
In prison, you have nothing to do but exercise.

>>136262842
oh bullshit. its been forced down their throats. every place you go that's not a gourmet restaurant has huge portions to justify the price of the food. When big macs are $2.50 and a half sandwich from Panera Bread costs $8 dollars it makes it really hard for people to choose to eat healthy.

>>136263604
to be clear I'm not saying panera bread is gourmet just that it seems eating healty in the fast chain industry comes at a premium.

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>>136263013

>>136243129
Theyre rewarded with cheaper life insurance

>>136263604

Hey, retard. You can, get this, you can COOK YOUR OWN FOOD OR PACK YOUR OWN LUNCH YOU LAZY STUPID FAT FUCKSTAIN.

>b-bub-but-butub-buububut

At very worst, just skip lunch and eat when you get home. Oh, right, fat people think they're literally dying if they skip one single meal.

>>136264384
They're starving mate, it's not a good feeling. It's much harder to get skinny than get fat.

>flag

I skip breakfast and even lunch most days. the food is that fucking bad. I'm not obese just overweight.

>>136264560

>skips one meal
>is "starving"

Your ancestors should rise from their graves and honor-kill you for shaming your family with such weakness. I've gone three days without eating, it's literally nothing. I've worked 18 hour shifts with no food at all. Stop being a baby.

Stop feeding them and conjuring up fake illnesses to keep them eating

>>136266529
people like healthy food. its just that it isnt profitable for fast food. its changing though there are healthy fast food chains now and they are catching up fast.

>>136266239
>being this poor
Sad.

>>136268263

Rather be poor than fat. I look better in a ten dollar goodwill outfit than a fatass could in brand and gold.

>>136249708
>>136249708
Im working in hospital several years and i can tell you there is little difference between fat and fit person there are too many diseases which dont care if you are fat or fit like superman.

That's a load of bullshit. It might be different in the Czech Republic, but I've worked in hospitals as well and the costs are night and day.

Fat people are more likely to have CV issues and be there in the first place.
Fat people are more likely to require poly-pharmacy, as they are more likely to have several diseases such as CV and diabetes
Fat people get better slower
Fat people waste my fucking time, because they are a pain in the ass to dose medications with. Thus they waste even more time and money.
t. Pharmacist

>>136242569
Can't be solved. Obesity is consumption, the fuel of capitalism. Therefore no real solution will ever be allowed to be passed.

>>136245729
Are you dumb?
There IS too much sugar in everything.
Go through your cabinets and look at your food. Look how much sugar is in it.

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>>136242569
>eating raisins and dirt for breakfast

>>136249613
>>oh and dont eat anything that has wheat in it
That's dumb.

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make healthy food that doesn't taste like cardboard.

We need a Fat Tax
You pay more for food if you're fat, and less if you're skinny. Literally just proportional to how much a person buys. That's and cheaper health care.

>>136255074
>The idea that one calorie source is somehow inherently better than another for the purpose of managing weight is absurd on its face.
All the macros are totally fine, it just depends what type they are.
Healthy fats are good, and saturated/trans are bad.
Complex carbs like 100% whole wheat products are fruit are fine, but sugar is bad.
Protein is pretty much protein, but you should watch the source for large amounts of saturated fat.

But the bottom line in terms of weight lose is calories.

>>136269407
how about you tax the companies instead of the people dipshit.

>>136242569
Force people to pay for their own health care.
That totally works in America.

>>136266239
> I've gone three days without eating
Skipping meals (even breakfast) really isn't a big deal.
The WHO even redacted the statement that breakfast isn't the most important meal of the day.
But you really shouldn't go 2-3 days without food, as your body retards your weight loss and starts taking it from muscles.
Fasting every other day isn't as bad, as your body is still in the "fasted" state.

>>136268720
Nobody cares how you look bud. I'm glad your chiseled abs got you some thots but anyone worth a shit is going to be more concerned about your body dysmorphia.

>>136244102
>In America at least we'd have to take on things like the sugar industry.
Artificial sweeteners are linked to obesity and diabetes as well. It's the mainstream burger food industry as a whole, designed to create unhealthy populace. Monsanto the FDA and other food/chemical companies are trying to engineer a better goyim.

Reminder ~90% of free healthcare doesn't go to 'children with cancer', it's used by fatties with CVD who can't put their burgers down or go for a walk. If we continue to live in a careless 'live and let live' society that number will just get higher.

>>136242569
>if you way X or above, you no healthcare
Problem solved.

>>136270558
it would make it cheaper for insurance aganecies but it wouldnt help people. I'm conservative on most issues but healthcare should be available to all especially the working poor because they are working the worst jobs which cause a lot of health problems. Bad back etc.

>>136245236
>Pepdi Max has no sugar, right?
Artificial sweeteners might well contribute to obesity and diabetes though. The liquid jew is poison, regardless of variety.

>>136242569
Tax sugary products, make that shit harder to obtain than cocaine.

>>136245240
>The attack on fat is pure dogma pushed by a few people
Yup, they demonized the kinds of fat that are actually probably really good for you; then pushed (((vegetable oil))) and trans fats, some of the worst possible fats.

>>136256931
>Foods are carb heavy
and nutrition depleted. People eat fast food crap, their stomach is full, but they don't get the nutrients they need. People overeat to obesity and still don't have the vitamins and minerals needed to function properly.

>>136258312
>I still crave the fucking things they are like cigarettes.
Standard American Diet has been crackified: deliberately engineered to be addictive, while vitamins and minerals removed.

>>136263604
>it makes it really hard for people to choose to eat healthy.
Yes anon, things worth doing in life take a lot of work (are hard). Cooking good food and sharing it with someone that appreciates it is one of the simple pleasures of life.

>>136272294
I believe it. the science needs to get done so we can start letting people know.

>>136271484
>Artificial sweeteners might well contribute to obesity and diabetes though.
They don't at all.
Artificial sweeteners have no calories (no obesity) and they don't spike your insulin except for a slight jump when they touch your taste buds (no diabetes).

Still shouldn't be drinking that shit, as it trains you to want sweet stuff. And it stops you from drinking something like milk, tea, coffee, or water.

>>136268263
>>being this poor
I've gone about 2 days with almost no food when I was a teenager just because I was busy and didn't think about it.

>>136272566
gf works and I work we dont have time for cooking. its not like we dont cook for ourselves on the weekends asshole. we cant afford chefs faggot.

>>136242569
>that thing
>healthy

you realize that that meal is gonna spike your blood sugar to like over 9000 and give you diabetus

>>136269105
>>>oh and dont eat anything that has wheat in it
>That's dumb.
Common wheat harvest protocol in the United States is to drench the wheat fields with Roundup several days before the combine harvesters work through the fields as the practice allows for an earlier, easier and bigger harvest.

>>136242569
Is not have diabetes reward enough?

>>136242569
Remove welfare.

Neither

>>136272645
>>Artificial sweeteners might well contribute to obesity and diabetes though.
>They don't at all.
There are differing opinions, I never bothered to really research, tea drinking master race.

In USA,better food regulations. No HFCS, trans fats, and many, many different artificial ingredients corporations put in food, in order to preserve it and cut costs, or to make it overly sweet or addictive.

In Europe, discourage living off beer/potatoes/bread. However, Europe doesn't have nearly the problem US does.

>>136272867
>Common
It's actually not. Monsanto are a bunch of kikes, but round up practice isn't as common as you'd think.
And it goes back to the whole thing of
>how much of X is okay

I haven't seen any studies suggesting the health effects of what you say.
A source would be good if you have it.

>>136260778
What is this shit

>>136272699
>its not like we dont cook for ourselves on the weekends
seems like you don't cook extra to put in the frig and freezer to eat for the week.

>>136242569
Give them hard labour but don't give them raisins. Cruel and unusual.

>>136273065
If you're referring to the fact they want you to eat more sweet stuff, because that's what you're used to, then sure.

They don't have calories or glucose in them, though.
People thought they might contribute to metabolic disease (precursor to diabetes) via insulin spikes, but direct comparisons through RCT suggest otherwise.

And it's literally impossible for they themselves to cause obesity because they don't have calories. That part is settled.

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>>136244845
>There's nothing wrong with sugar

Spoken like a true addict.

Weak, pathetic untermenschen desperately tries to convince himself that his weakness is okay; others laugh.

Go eat some more fatty, it's not like you're ever going to change, you lack the capacity to do so.

lmao

raw food life style

animal products are a jewish tradition

>>136273257
>leftovers is living well
come on man.

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>>136245236
Artificial sweeteners are obesogens, endocrine disruptors, they fuck with your metabolism and store calories as fat instead of burning them efficiently.

Stay away from all sweeteners apart from Stevia.

>>136273832
No, they don't. You're completely talking out of your ass.
Post a source before spouting such garbage.

>>136273616
>And it's literally impossible for they themselves to cause obesity because they don't have calories.
Sure, but drugs that are reliably associated with weight gain don't directly cause it, they affect appetite. It's almost impossible not to eat if you are getting signals indicating starvation.

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>>136245711
>arguably a drug

It literally is, no argument needed.

I love how much it triggers the weak, obese fake-rightist anons on here when you tell them that their pitiable sugar addiction and resultant fatness marks them as weak, dependent untermenschen.

>>136273911
Who even needs a source? I think I'd rather consume real sugar than man-made chemicals that are literally thousands of times sweeter than the thing it's trying to imitate. Something's just not right with that picture.

>>136273941
Yes, that's why the operative phrase was 'they themselves' as in directly.

You are correct in that they can affect appetite and preference.

>>136273706
>>leftovers is living well
>come on man.
Aaah kids, some things are shit reheated. Some things like chili and some other soups tend to be just as good if not better. I think eating quality food made by someone that cares about my health is far better than low quality food made by some fucking burger teenager or incompetent middle age woman that hates life.

>>136274155
>appeal to nature fallacy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3296669

They don't affect blood glucose and they don't possess calories.

>>136273706
There is a difference between leftover and mass producing meals for a week.

>>136273706
>>leftovers is living well
French toast and pancakes are better off the griddle, but even microwave reheated with a bit of organic grassfed butter, and soaked in organic maple syrup... If that's not living well, I can't be bothered to put forth the effort to do much better.

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>>136242569
We need to punish them via healthcare. If you are obese you pay more. If you can't afford it you die. Maybe give a flat predetermined account of healthcare based on a healthy person of the same age, and if you exceed that, you pay out of pocket.

The problem is obese people have always been a drag on society, and even more now that obesity is being classified as a disability. We need to punish those who are obese, not support them endlessly. Once they start seeing other fat people dying they will either get the hint and get healthy, or die themselves and stop dragging us down. There's plenty of problems in society that need help, people being fat isn't one that we should be wasting resources on.

>>136245884
Dint malls die because of the internet making online shopping better than mallshopping in every way other than speed?

>>136274350
Fair enough but I'm still not touching that shit.

>>136273244
Water, Tomato and some green things.

>>136242569
i honestly think there should be reprecussions.

the fatties are the biggest drain on the health care system in my country, which is socialized.

its not fair that i work out, spend a significant amount of my time and money in order to stay in shape. im no where near as much of a drain on the healthcare system as them but they pay the same as me and use way more of the resources.

There should be a mandated fitness test to be eligible for the national healthcare system. if you don't meet the basic minimum requirements then you are out and have to find private health insurance.

You would see obesity levels drop drastically.

>>136242820

> 1.) Mince 1 cup of raisins, and kind.
> 2.) Heat up 2 cups of water to a boil in a pan.
> 3.) Stir in 1/4 cup brown sugar until dissolved.
> 4.) Add raisins, cover, and reduce heat to low.
> 5.) Cook for 15 minutes, or until liquid has reduced.
> 6.) Let sit for 15-20 minutes uncovered, or until cool enough to move to a food processor.
> 7.) Process using a blade attachment by pulsing and then running until the mixture is a thick paste.

Now add this to your oatmeal, and eat yer damn raisins.

>>136242569
punish the average so they take their anger and frustration out on fatties

How about we have people pay for their own health care?

>>136274554
>Fair enough but I'm still not touching that shit.
Me either, I trust my taste; which tells me it's wierd chemical shit to be avoided. Same for that HFCS crap. Real sugar, that I've got a bit of a habit; that requires willpower for me.

>>136274554
Which is also fair enough.
The common thing people seem to get confused when I talk about this (not saying this applies to you) is that they think I'm promoting artificial sweeteners.
I'm not doing that at all.

In a perfect world you only drink water, milk, tea, and coffee ( with no sugar in any of that).
But for the weaklings that need their fix the fake stuff is better for them than the real stuff. And it's a lot better.

Again, it's better to just use neither.

>>136274826
>In a perfect world you only drink water, milk, tea, and coffee ( with no sugar in any of that).
>But for the weaklings that need their fix the fake stuff is better for them than the real stuff. And it's a lot better.
>Again, it's better to just use neither.
Some of the tea I drink has stevia leaves in the mix. Gives it a note of sweetness; I'm good with that, anything more is definitely degenerate.

>>136274826
>In a perfect world you only drink water, milk, tea, and coffee ( with no sugar in any of that).

That's exactly how I drink all of the above.

Once you get used to them plain, your taste buds will find adding sugar repulsive...a flavor that does not belong.

Same with milk.

Tea...Medium, plain.
Coffee...Bold, Black.
Milk...Plain, only with PB&J sandwich.
Water...Ice, no lemon.

>>136244587
ive been there, i couldnt even gather enough energy to kms

>>136275080
>>But for the weaklings that need their fix the fake stuff is better for them than the real stuff. And it's a lot better.
My personal belief is that it is better to get my sugar fix by making my own sweets with high fiber, probably lots of cinnamon and spices, and healthy ingredients(aside from pile of sugar). Sugar with no fiber to buffer it is diabetes fuel.

>>136275080

>im a faggot but it doesnt count

Degenerate scum

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>>136248247
>durr what are eyeballs for

I hope you're just a fat shitposting retard and don't actually believe the crap you type.

Jesus fuck.......proud of his ignorance. What an untermensch.

>>136245236
it's old news at this point that diet soda and shit is actually worse for diabetes

all this soda shit is poison stay away from it faggot

love, anon

>>136242569
Shame then, tell them how much larger their carbon footprint is by binging a disgusting fat slob.

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>>136273911
>fear

Fix yourself, obeast.

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>>136274602
THREADLY REMINDER THAT IF YOU'RE FAT, YOU'RE A DE-FACTO LEFTIST DUE TO YOUR DEPENDENCY ON THE STATE.

ALL FATTIES ARE LEFTISTS, NO EXCEPTIONS.

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>>136242569
pic related is how you defeat fat people

water defeats fat people and niggers, I love water

>>136244995
How exactly is suicide retarded, but having someone kill you is not? What's the difference there? Are you hoping you wouldn't be considered a pussy when you're dead?

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How can you expect a country's population to be healthy when their leader isn't?
Pic related, it's no coincidence that Canada's obesity rates are far lower than America's.

>>136275901
>ignorance

Educate yourself, dunce. >>136274350

>>136242569
Fat shaming

>>136247674
Enjoy your eating disorder. Might as well start vomiting your food.

>>136272949
This, including the welfare in the form of farm subsidies to farms that grow corn.