I thought Trump was supposed to be a Christian, so why does he

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>>136208187
No wedding rings on Eric or Jared. Why?

Can't scam a scammer

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He's a fucking Alpha. When you're an Alpha you don't need no stinking ring!

>>136208187
Maybe because it is stupid. Trump virtue signalled to Christian's that he was a Christian. He had to do this. But in reality he does not give a fuck. You are dumb If you think he is a man of God.

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>>136208187
I don't wear a wedding ring, why would I? Don't buy the Lear Captial Jew.

>>136208187
My parents have been married for 40 years and they don't wear wedding rings.

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>>136208187
(((Jew)))elry is for women and mental unstable.

Its actually a Saturn cult ritual. This is interesting. What about Melania and Ivanka? Are you sure that the images aren't just flipped?

>>136208624
>What about Melania and Ivanka?
Not sure, never really noticed on them.

>>136208624
>Are you sure that the images aren't just flipped?
I've looked at quite a few pics of the males of the family and have never seen a ring. I think early on, during the campaign, one of the sons wore one, but once Trump became President I have not seen any of the males wear one.

It just seems odd. I know some men have reasons not to wear a wedding ring, and I know it is a symbolic gesture to wear one, but how odd that not one male in the family wears one.
I just don't get it.

>>136208494
But does every married male in the family not wear one? That is most odd to me. I can see one, perhaps two males in a family not wanting to wear a ring, but all of them? Seems like something else is going on.

>>136208990
If your family doesn't emphasize the tradition, then why would the children? Redding rings are stupid desu. Personal family heirloom rings with precious stones are better imo.

>>136208402
This was true during the campaign. However, in office, and really ever since Pence became Trump's VP choice, Trump has actually embraced Christianity. It's mainly because of Pence's influence. There are multiple reports about this.

>>136208624
Do you not have eyes? You never noticed the friggin huge rock that Trump bought Melania for their 10th anniversary?

Also, most high powered business men I've met don't wear rings, some don't even wear watches.

>>136209227
>Personal family heirloom rings with precious stones are better imo.
Absolutely. Makes it so much more special.

>If your family doesn't emphasize the tradition, then why would the children?
Well, what about the women the men married? And Jared comes from a Jewish family, so I don't know what their tradition is but he does not wear a ring.

>>136208187
> Christian
> Divorced three times and married a woman who appeared naked in magazines.
> Ran and starred in a "reality" TV show.
> Ran Miss Universe.
> Makes fun of handicapped persons on live TV.
> "Grab them by the pussy"

Yeah, christian all right.

>>136208187
Trump is married to America now.

>>136209537
>Also, most high powered business men I've met don't wear rings, some don't even wear watches.

this

some people just hate wearing metal

>>136209767
>> Makes fun of handicapped persons on live TV.
unironically fake news

>>136208247
Do their cumdumps wear rings to signify ownership?

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Here is a pic of Trump on his honeymoon with Ivana and he is wearing a wedding ring, but in all other photos I found of them he is not wearing a wedding ring. He is wearing a wedding ring at his marriage to Marla and in a pic of him with Marla and toddler Tiffany, but other pics of him and Marla he is not wearing one.

I guess it is no big deal. I just think the fact that both sons and son-in-law Jared also being wedding ringless is a bit strange.

>>136209767
>Jim Bakker
>Jimmy Swaggert
>Ted Haggard

Trump seems in line with other Christians.

>>136209921
lol remember the Simpsons "America you can be my ex-wife"

In my case my knuckle swells..I tried a few years and when the wife said it was OK I took it off..I do wear it for special shit and I'm not into ink so the Fake ring shit is out..

>>136209404
The whole reason he picked pence was to secure the Christian vote. His daughter is a convert Jew and I highly doubt Melania is very religious. He never cared. He still virtue signals to Christaians because if he didn't he would fall from political office. The guy is on Twitter all day I'm pretty sure he does unchristian things everyday. Not that I care you are just wrong.

>>136209767
Wanna know how I know you've been indoctrinated by fake news?

>divorced 3 times
wrong.
>ran and stared in a "reality" TV show
was persuaded by CBS, got good ratings so he stayed
>makes fun of handicapped persons on live TV
>persons
>plural
nope
>"grab them by the pussy"
this is literally possible when the whores are throwing themselves at you. women have zero self-control when a decent looking millionaire is near.

>>136210284
Interesting. I guess I am old fashioned. And growing up Catholic everyone wore rings when married so it is just odd to me to see married men not wearing them. I should not have assumed everyone views the wedding ring the same.

>>136210381
>the wife said it was OK
Nice when both spouses agree that it is fine.

>>136208187
There's absolutely nothing Christian about wearing a wedding ring. Fuck off kike.

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>>136210590
>I highly doubt Melania is very religious
She seems the most religious and genuine of them all. She had the Pope bless her rosary and she lit a candle at Notre Dame. She also had Barron baptized. I cannot find any info on if any of the other Trump kids were baptized.

>>136208187
Show me in the Word where it says you have to wear a wedding ring.

>>136210949
She can't be that devout of a Roman Catholic if she married a so-called Presbyterian.

>>136210949
Bible is stupid. It is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than threading a camel through the eye of a needle. Stop this kike faggotry. Trump is connected with plenty of kikes. Hitler would be disappointed

>>136210863
>Fuck off kike.
WRONG. I am Master Race Catholic. As I stated in another post, I grew up around men who always wore their wedding rings so seeing married men without them is new to me and surprised me. I just assumed everyone viewed the symbolism of the wedding ring the same. I was wrong, obviously.

>>136211004
I can't because as far as I know, there is nothing in the Bible or Catholic teachings that says you must wear a ring. Again, it was my thought that you had to when married, and always being around married men who wore them, it surprised me to see so many married men today not wearing them. I thought you were supposed to if Catholic and Christian, but now I have found out that is wrong. My bad.

But still, come on, how weird is it that every man in the family, including the son-in-law, does not wear one?! I have never seen that before.

>>136208187
>why does he not wear a wedding ring? In fact, not one male in the family wears a wedding ring

Jewelry is for women, kikes, and non-whites.

Why do you think the english world jewelry has 'jew' in it?

>>136211080
Also, she did not baptize Barron in a Catholic church but in an Episcopalian church, if I remember correctly. Of course, that could have been a compromise with Trump, who knows. At least Barron is baptized.

>>136211226
>want a wedding ring when I get married
>don't want to pay some heeb 6 grand for one

is there any alternative?

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>>136208187
Protestants conveniently ignore Jesus' strict prohibition against divorce even though it is a quote directly attributed to Him in the Bible.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I just find it amusing that the sola scriptura crowd completely ignores Jesus' strict prohibition of divorce which is clearly written in the scriptures.

>>136211226
You think Hitler was a devout christian or Catholic??? I am a fan of Hitler but you are retarded if you think he was doing (((gods))) Jewish work. Hitler virtue signalled to Christian's just like Trump did. Read a history book kike

>>136211393
>is there any alternative?
Getting a ring passed down from your or your spouse-to-be family, a family heirloom. Or buying a beautiful antique ring for much, much less at an antique store or estate sale.

>>136211391
at the Trump rally I attended a baptist preacher introduced him. I looked into him and he's said some pretty fanatically anti catholic things. Although he won a majority of the catholic vote I wonder if trump is personally anti catholic because the vatican definitely doesn't like him

>>136208187

He's a Mason. He's married to Satan.

>>136211226
The Puritans didn't wear wedding rings either.
Trump might be stepping outside of Western norms but that has nothing to do with his Christianity or Roman Catholicism.

>>136210949
yeah, and appeared naked in magazines.

>>136211636
*or Melania's Roman Catholicism...sorry

>>136211534
good ideas. Because there's no way I'm paying for brand new jewelry. It's such a racket

>>136211662
The left everyone!
>Slut shaming
>forcing people into gender binary relationships

>>136211662
>let he who is without sin cast the first stone

>>136211512
>You think Hitler was a devout christian or Catholic???
Hitler? WTF??! Why are you brining Hitler into this conversatioin??? What the heck does he have to do with anything? Do you have a hard-on for him or something?? Bizarre.

>>136211512
>you are retarded if you think he was doing (((gods))) Jewish work
What are you talking about???? I never brought up Hitler or the Jews. Freak.

>Read a history book kike
I read plenty of history books spaz, and I already told you, I am Catholic. So shut up and leave me alone freak.

>>136211226
You are going crazy about a tradition literally invented 100 years ago by Jewish diamond merchants to increase the value of their mines in south Africa. STFU

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>>136208187
It is because marriage, in his eyes, is a legally binding document. Nothing in the contract says he has to wear a ring, so why would he?

Not defending his heresy but it could be his reasoning.

>>136211226
Wedding rings aren't Christian. In fact wedding rings were created by pagans, it doesn't surprise me that a papist idolatrer would so fervently defend them.

>>136211546
>he's said some pretty fanatically anti catholic things.
Really? Very interesting. Puts a different perspective on Trump. Thanks for the info.

>>136211798
>Hitler? WTF??! Why are you brining Hitler into this conversatioin???

Godwin's law

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>>136208187
in my honest opinion, A wedding ring is simply just showing you've married someone. It doesnt show how much of a massive Christian you are. If you bring a blessed rosary everywhere you go then I'd call you a Christian. If you show me your wedding ring, I wouldnt ask if they're Christian. I'd just ask who they married.

t. A country that's 95% Christian

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>>136211563
Proofs?

>>136209767
> Makes fun of handicapped persons on live TV.

VERY FAKE NEWS

>>136211897
what I meant is the man who introduced Trump said anti catholic things. Just making sure you understood that

>>136211636
>that has nothing to do with his Christianity or Roman Catholicism.
Yeah, I am finding that out. I always thought you had to wear a wedding ring if you were Catholic and Christian, but now I know that is not true. Learn something new everyday!

>>136208187
>Is it a satanic thing, since marriage is a sacrament and a gift from God?

when your grandpa ran whorehouses you never wear a wedding ring

>>136211798
You were the one who said
>Catholic master race
Kys faggot who worships Jewish middle eastern kike god. Your Pope's are pedophiles bitch

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>>136208187
fuck off shareblue

>>136211736
I have seen some beautiful antique rings with lovely stones on them, including emeralds, for very reasonable prices. Good luck!

>>136208187
It's not like he takes marriage vows seriously. He's had four children by three different women. He's probably going to divorce again pretty soon and get an even younger and hotter wife.

>>136212115
*or
Roman Catholics anathematize the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Just 3 months wages on a ring goy

Just a wedding ring goy

Just a ln engagement and weeding ring goy

If you love her 6 months wages for a ring goy.

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>>136212261
>He's had four children by three different women.

five. Get your facts straight if you're going to talk shit

>>136211165
>Bible is stupid because I cant understand it

>>136212057
Yes, I did get that. But since Trump invited him to speak makes me wonder about Trump. And Trump seemed really put out and flustered when Melania said the Lord's Prayer at that one rally after he became President.

>>136211938
Thanks for your info. Yeah, this thread really opened my eyes. Guess my thinking is really outdated and old fashioned, and wrong, about wedding rings.

>>136208187
In all my life I can recall only maybe one guy who specifically wore a wedding ring and I only noticed because he was showing it off because it was made of indestructible tungsten carbide or something.
He's since divorced though so I don't know what happened to his indestructible ring in the end.

>>136212425
>Worships a Jew
Went to Catholic and Christian's schools. Studied religion constantly. You worship a Jew who says give up all your worldly possessions for the kingdom of heaven faggot.

>>136211511
That looks comfy af also digits

>>136210381
Same.

>>136212399
hmmmm.....interesting.

>>136212429
Trump is one of the last WASPs so I wouldn't really be surprised if he turned out to be anti catholic. As a catholic who voted for him I don't really mind. I think he's doing great and it isn't like he's going to send the gestapo on catholics just because he might not like them. America is fundamentally anti catholic. Our only catholic president ever had his head blown off in broad daylight

>>136212278
>Roman Catholics anathematize the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Yes, I have thought of that. Always a possibility.

>>136211546
>Although he won a majority of the catholic vote I wonder if trump is personally anti catholic because the vatican definitely doesn't like him

I have a suspicion that the majority of catholic voters don't like the current Vatican but are keeping it on the down low

>>136208402
That pre election episode frontline did showed that trumps family had a long relationship with this NY church for elites. The usual jesus wants you to be rich bullshit. So its pretty well documented hes a churchgoer, just one of those churches designed to make rich people feel good about themselves

>>136208187
Marriage predates religion.

>>136212784
Not sure about the whole Mason and Satan thing.

>>136210705
Even Catholic priests fall into temptation. Call me old fashioned, but aren't they supposed to married to the church or to Jesus or something? Despite that fact, they tend to cheat on the church and/or Jesus with their sexy little altar boys in numbers too great to ignore. This isn't an attack on your faith. I'm just trying to point out that we shouldn't be holding people to arbitrary standards because of the religion they follow. People fuck up a lot, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.

>>136212555
>In all my life I can recall only maybe one guy who specifically wore a wedding ring
Really? Completely different than my life. It has been only in the past few years that I have come across males who are married that don't wear wedding rings. That is why it surprised me so much to see Trump and his male family members all married but ringless.

>>136212951
you're probably right. I don't like the pope but I'm too timid to ask other catholics what they really think

>>136211393
Get a moissanite ring. Cheaper than diamond and more refracrive. Just slightly lower on the hardness scale.

>>136212900
Check out the Council of Trent.
CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."
I believe that St. Paul wrote the exact opposite of this. I could break out some scripture if needed.

>>136212951
>the majority of catholic voters don't like the current Vatican but are keeping it on the down low
I don't like this Pope and I have read on Catholic blogs many other Catholics, and even Priests, say the same.

>>136213059
Yeah, it is hard to brooch the subject. Very touchy, especially if you end up talking to a liberal Catholic.

>>136211563
Part of this is true, and part of this is not. i recognize this technique.

>>136208187
>Is it a satanic thing, since marriage is a sacrament and a gift from God?
Yeah, that's a sensible conclusion.

kys

There is no god. Nigga, just find a priest who will say on the record that it's fine. Bribe the Pope if you have to.

>>136212794
>America is fundamentally anti catholic.
That was actually a huge red pill for me a few years ago. I was reading a bunch of American history books from old (dated in late 1800s early 1900s) and was shocked to read of the anti-Catholicism. I had never been taught about it. Also, in England, recently learned they actually banned Catholics for years, and that no Catholic is allowed to marry into royalty. Yet, all I hear is how Jews are the ones discriminated against.

>>136213014
Me neither. I am just not sure.

>>136212611
Pagans are lower than goat vomit

>>136213702
Religion is for plebs

>>136209767
Jews literally do all of that too, yet they're still considered religious

>>136213045
>aren't they supposed to married to the church or to Jesus or something?
Yes, Priests and Nuns are married to Jesus - the Church.

>People fuck up a lot, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
Absolutely. And I don't mean to be judging, just trying to understand. With all the crap going on in the world, and the horrors of pizzagate and spirit cooking, I just wondered if there is perhaps a reason behind the non-wedding ring wearing Trump family. But as many have kindly informed and educated me, wedding rings are just a symbol and many chose to not wear them and it is perfectly o.k.

>>136213209
Why would St. Paul write the opposite of what the Council of Trent wrote? I never knew he did.

>>136213471
yep. Protestants loath so called papists. But we don't get museums built for being oppressed and have PR groups that make hit lists of our religious opponents

Wedding rings have nothing to do with true Christianity

>>136213994
Thanks. Just learned this tonight in this thread. See, even /pol/ can be educational somethings.

>>136214123
>somethings.
s/b sometimes.

>>136214123
you can learn a lot here. It's quite easy to spend too much time here and then get information overload

>>136214123
Painting easter eggs have nothing to do with a Jew hanging on a cross.

>>136213912
His letter to the Ephesians seems pretty cut and dry.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>>136209537
>most high powered business men I've met don't wear rings
I'm part of the investment class and I never wear one. I don't know what Trump's reason is though because I'm not a kike like the (((Trump))) family.

>>136208187
They don't make rings nice enough for his blood line to wear.

>>136208472

Yes, good goy, buy from Rosland Capital instead!

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>>136214298
Of course not, but there is great symbolism and significance in the egg at Easter and it is a wonderful tradition that all enjoy. Continue to be a hater, see where it gets you.

>>136209404
>Trump has actually embraced Christianity.
Anybody who is proud that their daughter renounced Christ is not a Christian.
>>136210590
>The whole reason he picked pence was to secure the Christian vote.
Yep.
>His daughter is a convert Jew
In order to convert she had to move from saying Jesus is Christ to saying he isn't. This literally means she denied Christ and Christ will deny her to God. Trump[ is proud of the fact his favorite daughter is going to hell. The thought of him being Christian is retarded.

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>>136214569
Thank you. Touching verses.

>>136214569
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God
Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Romans 3:23-24
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Romans 5:15-17
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

I hope this helps. Come out of the Catholic Church, my dear brother. Believe on a Gospel that can save you, not damn you.

>>136208187
I ain't even a Christcuck

I don't give a fuck

>>136214892
>Continue to be a hater, see where it gets you.
We are all going to die in the end, bro.

>>136209921
Tell me I'm your national anthem senpai

>>136215053
Exactly. I recall during his campaign someone on /pol/ posted a short video of him at AIPAC I think it was (or one of the other Jewish conventions) and Trump said something about how proud he is of Ivanka being Jewish but that is now what he had planned for her but oh well. I was surprised he was so blunt about it. I am paraphrasing, of course, because I cannot remember exactly how he said it. But basically he said he did not plan on her becoming Jewish or marrying a Jew but oh well. I found that interesting.

>>136208187
Aristocrats dont wear wedding rings, only females.
Its tradition.
Nobody in the male british royal family wears wedding rings either.

Men should not wear jewelery.

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>>136215303
True that, but die and go to hell to burn in agony for eternity, or die and go to Heaven in bliss and love for eternity.

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>>136208187
Anyone who is smart would never wear a ring

>>136209767
You don't have to lie and be a total faggot to prove he's not a Christian
>>136214780
See? Was that so fucking hard?

>>136208187
The idea of needing to buy diamonds for wedding rings is literally the Jewiest fucking scam in the past few hundred years.

>>136211546
Catholic And not feeling the current direction of the Vatican right now. Pope came for trump during the campaign and no man of God should be speaking that way.
Tldr popes a globalist

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>>136215192
>I hope this helps
Thanks, those are good verses.

>Come out of the Catholic Church
Thank you but no, I love my Catholic faith. I am obviously still learning a lot about it, but so far I am very happy. Of course, I follow pre-Vatican II traditional Roman Catholicism, since Vatican II is when Satan really took over the church. It is almost completely infiltrated by evil now.

>>136215459

A fine timepiece is acceptable though, as well as cuff links.

>>136215192
I don't mean to sound patronizing but between the satanic jews, tipping fedoras and ravening mohammedans, we no longer have the luxury of infighting among Christians.

>>136215832
Touche

>>136215541
Nah, I don't believe in your jewish stories. Once you die it's over.

hes a grifter who fucks hookers and has a mail order wife you simpleton

>>136208187
he's a known germphobe and sweaty areas underneath jewelry harbor germs

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>>136215459
>the male british royal family wears wedding rings either.
Not sure what I think about that or the British Royal Family, but in this photo and others, Prince Charles is wearing a pretty big ring on his pinky finger.

>>136215832
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

>>136215832
Amen. Ignore the (((shills))). Ultimately, Christians killing one another only makes Satan howl with laughter.

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>>136215939
>Once you die it's over.
Sad belief you have.

>>136208187
Evangelicals are the biggest gullible imbeciles that's why.

>>136215939
It doesn't matter whether it's real or not. Christianity gives an unshakeable moral backbone to a society and inoculates it against virulent memetic plagues such as Islam.
It doesn't matter if you don't believe it. We need you, brother.
We need your help to stand against the demons in this world now.

>>136211662
So what? It's not against Christian values for a woman to express and show the world her beauty. All of her shots were very tastefully done. She never appeared in porno either she was very soft core. And beautiful too it would be a shame to not show that body to the world.

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>>136215832
Well said and absolutely true.

>>136216182
>Christians killing one another only makes Satan howl with laughter.
This.

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I'm not married, and I wear a wedding ring. Women everywhere won't stop flirting with you when you have a wedding ring on. It's something about it being a sign that some other woman out there finds you desirable so they should find you desirable as well.

>>136216181
I will not compromise my beliefs for an Earthly struggle. I'm giving him the Gospel. We can be allies who disagree on theology.

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>>136211662
Many beautiful marble statues from old are of naked men and women. I think if the artist is respectful of the naked human body and the art work is tasteful, then it is fine.

>>136216362
Yeah, stop being gay and allow your people to murder their enemies. The Government and their policies of punishing people for killing caused all shit we are in today. PC culture? SJW? All governments fault.

>>136216441
>Women everywhere won't stop flirting with you when you have a wedding ring on
How times have changed. My grandpop and dad always told me that if you took off your wedding ring then you would get hit on. They would sometimes wear a wedding ring just so they would be left alone. And both my mom and grandma said when t hey would go out they would check a guy's finger to make sure he did not have a wedding ring before they would flirt with him.

Weird how times change and now it is completely opposite. What the hell happened to women to make them so degenerate now?

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>>136216314
>We need your help to stand against the demons in this world now.
Amen. So much this.

>>136216915
> What the hell happened to women to make them so degenerate now?
Check out who owns the media.

>>136208187
wedding rings are a sign of being property
traditionally for thousands of years only women wore wedding rings
and then around ww2 American men started wearing wedding rings as well
and then the rest of the world started doing it from then on

>>136216024
Thats the official signet ring of the prince of wales.
Thats not jewelery, its a symbol of authority.

>>136216461
Fair enough.
Just keep in mind that Muslim infighting and the Sunni/Shia schism has mired down the Mohammedans in their conquest of the world. And remember that Jews regardless of Zionist/diaspora and orthodox/reformed/whatever still put their Jewish Nation (i.e. the borderless, rootless nation of which every Jew is a citizen) first when dealing with the goyim, although they outwardly present a divided front.

>>136217147
>Check out who owns the media.
I know, it is obvious.

>>136217473
>Thats the official signet ring of the prince of wales.
Cool. thank you. I had no idea.

>>136217460
>around ww2 American men started wearing wedding rings as well
Interesting history. I wonder if it was more of a traditional Catholic thing, then, for men to wear wedding rings. Anyway, neat to learn this history. Thanks.

Wedding rings are a much more recent trend than Christianity you stupid fuck.

>>136208187
How did Trump acquire this loli?

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>>136218467
>you stupid fuck.
Nice.

>>136218675
It is his granddaughter Arabella, Jared and Ivanka's kid.

>>136218807
>Arabella
>Arab ella

>>-ella
>Word Origin
>1.
>a suffix used as a formative in taxonomic names, especially genus names of bacteria:
>chorella; pasteurella; salmonella.

what did he mean by this

>>136219662
creepy

I don't wear my wedding ring either. I've always thought rings were effeminate. Just never felt right.

>>136210610
Sounds more like you have mate. So you agree then that he is divorced, WAS in a reality show, did make fun of a disabled person and did say 'grab them by the pussy.' Nitpicking a few minor details doesnt detract from the main argument.

>>136208187

not really a Christian tradition.

Also, noblemen are not supposed to wear jewelry.

Fear that russians or chinese will switch rings at jeweler with one laced with radioactive isotopes... according to theories.

Microwave beams?