>Fuck the planet cuz wind turbines are ugly

Wind turbines are fucking everywhere and they make me REEEE

It's not that they're ugly, it's that they're horribly underpowered memes.

>>136151882
I hope you like smoke then.

>>136151981
I don't live anywhere near a power plant. Besides, solar panels that look like normal roof tiles will come on the market soon and make most external power generation unnecessary (plus, power cuts as a result of fuckups in the grid will be a thing of the past).

>>136151981
Smoke is civilization. You cannot have one without the other.

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>>136151548
these two dudes died trying to keep this piece of shit operational so it can be severely inefficient furthermore.

>>136151548
They do where i live.

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>>136152075
You're going to be waiting for awhile

>>136152249
It's powering ahead here, though (g-get it?).

>>136151548
I would like to have more wind turbines in my country but it is not windy here. Only Black sea shore is suitable for wind energy. Hope chinese will build the largest solar power plant in Europe in the Chernobyl area soon.

>>136152114
Smoke is the industrial era. Who needs a civilization, that fails to improve its tech?

>>136152249
The Jewish-Electric Cabal will not control our lives for much longer

>>136151981

>nuclear power vents
>smoke

I LAFF EVERYTIME

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>>136152421
Looks like you got the wind and waste biomass down. Chart's old but probably not much has changed.

wind turbines are inefficient, they kill birds and make people sick

>>136152447
Only the Chinese would go into Chernobyl to install solar power. SEND THE CHILDREN

>>136152790
I stood underneath one on a windy day recently. Came down with ebola the very same day.

>>136152458
>banning old technologies before a suitable one replaces it
>being duped by the moneygrubbers that make a killing off "green" energy

>>136152458
Smoke in huge amounts, yeah. But since the humans discovered how to make fire smoke is among us

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>>136152577
I wonder if your grandchild will like his third leg.
Nuclear power is not that clean either, radioactive waste needs to be kept someplace safe for a VERY long time, and things don't always go as intended, same with the control rods.

>>136151548
Wind turbines are a fucking scam once you start looking at the carbon costs of all the spare parts and those spare parts get used as per planned maintenance schedules.

I think wind turbines can be pretty aesthicallt pleasing. I don't see them that often though so my view may be a bit warped. But the ones in Aria are nice.

>>136151548
>don't support nuclear the only viable alternative because bigoted white male energy

>>136151548
>Picturesque landscape

Some people love the decaying post-Communist architectural style... They need help.

>>136151548
>be in Spain
>have a fuckton of free wind
>still this is not fully supported

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>killing these beauties

>>136151548
that's all steam you cock sucker

>>136152249
in uk it's more like 3%, but what you said isn't really a response to what he said.
if we can get enough power from solar roof tiles that look normal and don't cost more than a few year's electricity to install, take-up will be fast.

>>136151884
lol is this post from the 20th century or something?

>>136153040
>Cheap commie engineering
Wew I can't imagine why shit hit the fan.

>>136151981
>I hope you like smoke then.
That's not smoke retard, that's steam. Learn the difference.

>>136153170
I would support nuclear energy but I cannot. People are too stupid and corrupt to operate such complex systems as nuclear plants. Even japanese, not talk about slavs.

>>136152790
>t. big oil

>>136153040
Unless you're fucking careless like in Chernobyl, everything goes as fucking intended. That's why Three Mile Island is still running smoothly

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What happens when the wind runs out?

>>136153310
Then the problem becomes dispatching the power. Net metering won't be allowed much longer or it will become fare less favorable.

>>136151548
Shilling hard tonight share blue? Is the office cold over at Democrat HQ Kiev?

>>136153304

it isn't, ameritard

>>136152117
people die building and maintaining shit.
compare it to the number of deaths from chernoble or the 1000 deaths a year in oil and gas drilling.

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>>136151882
It's fun to watch them fail though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzgIxMEo8g

>>136151548

>uneducated white niggers complaining about power plant "smoke"

Cooling tower steam is not smoke, which is most of the discharge from that plant. Plus that 1 plant is equivalent to 100's of that wind turbine in terms of yearly power output.

Wind farms are a horrible waste of space, solar at least makes sense to cover up roofs that are already required on buildings. Wind turbines use new, empty land for a shit-tier level of economic output. Off shore wind farms are the only wind plants that are worth.

>>136153539
Were the workers at Fukushima careless, too?

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>>136152117
Looks like they are kissing.

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>>136151548
Just put lights on them, who the fuck does not like Ferris wheels at night time?

What does not make sense to me is how they are able to recoup the operating cost, it must take a ton of electricity it to turn those heavy ass blades. I know fans are cheaper than AC to run because of momentum but to try to scale that savings up is really nonsensical.

>>136153454
Throw a third of the money that would be spent on the Paris climate accord at developing V and VI generation reactors powered by thorium, problem solved.

Nuclear power is the future. I still don't understand how some people are against it.

>Cheap
>Environment friendly when the waste is disposed correctly
>Completely safe when operated correctly

>>136152790
>inefficient
True, but the tech's getting more efficient constantly
>they kill birds
As much as literally any structure with a comparable surface area would
>make people sick
As opposed to coal plants?

>>136153923
If you are about to die might as well do it with a face full of man tongue.

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>>136151548

I wish it was real because fuck this gay planet but its not

>>136153917
>placing a nuclear power plant in an area prone to earthquakes
Yes

>>136153808
>chernobyl
>56 direct deaths
your point is?

>>136153824

it this is a coal plant, which it very much looks like it, it's not just steam but particles and co2 too.

Also onshore wind turbines on decent places are still more profitable than offshore turbines.

Furthermore it's not a wast of place but can be rather efficient. You can still grow any crops you like on the land, or build the turbines near highways, where nobody likes to live anyway. All you lose are a couple square metres for an entire turbine.

>>136154175
Then it should suggest you that humans are quite often careless, and you should take this factor into consideration.

>>136154058

>the tech's getting more efficient everyday

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27s_law

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>>136154149
>planet

LEL!

>>136151548
Bruh that powerplant looks aesthetic tho

>>136154362
With that nigger logic then everything should be take into consideration for human error.
I guess no more driving or eating with forks since they pose potential threats.

>>136154175

There is no 100% safe location for power plants. Even if you'd find some spot which would be safe from any kind of natural disaster it'd still just take a few clever terrorist with a big bomb or a plance full of explosives to create huge damage

>>136152117
that pic is beautiful
the feels

>>136154552

>With that nigger logic then everything should be take into consideration for human error.

taking human error into consideration if the consequences could be the death of millions sounds pretty reasonable

>>136154462
What is that effect called?
I saw it looking through a telescope once. I thought it look beautiful but blew mind because it didnt look like a planet

>>136154556
Put them in northeast Ohio
>outside hurricane range
>outside tornado alley
>no earthquakes
>no one would bother to blow up Ohio
Only thing that could stop it is a lake-effect snowstorm, and even then it would take a lot to prevent people from getting to the plant

they're not wrong. wind turbines DO spoil the view, and so does every other ugly skyscraper and apartment building.

except they're wrong in thinking that muh meanie poopieheads are halting progress, there are hundreds of these fucking things in bc and alberta. BC doesn't even need them, wind turbines are still a meme, there's no fucking point when hydro takes care of nearly 100% of the energy demand here.

wind turbines are wealth redistribution. if they were actually better than all the other forms of energy production, they wouldn't need to "create jobs" because they wouldn't require so much maintenance.

>>136153808
More people die from wind power per unit of energy produced than nuclear. Sad!

>>136153929
>What does not make sense to me is how they are able to recoup the operating cost, it must take a ton of electricity it to turn those heavy ass blades.
You do know wind moves those blades right?

Solution: kill all humans so nobody can negatively affect the climate

>>136153040
>Nuclear power
>not cleanest fuel based-power
Yeah, lets just pretend that we cannot shove the couple of pounds of waste a mile underground and then not worry about it

>>136154712
>if the consequences could be the death of millions
Im sorry whens the last time millions died from nuclear meltdown?
Oh yeah thats right...
Never you stupid turkroach

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>>136153552

>>136152249
15% renewable?

thats a lot, impressed

>>136154712
If all the nuclear power plants in the entire world simultaneously went critical in the most volatile way possible, less than a million people would die from both the direct and indirect results.

People really are afraid of what they don't understand.

>>136152075
>solar panels that look like normal roof tiles will come on the market soon and make most external power generation unnecessary

Solar works best on sunny days when there is generally little wind.
Wind works best on windy days when there is generally little sun.

So the combination is gold.

Still needs a night energy source though.

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>>136154741
its called a light on the firmament


Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

>>136154712
Also
>ignoring hundreds of millions of people drive
>probably billions use forks
Its dangerous! Even though its effecient and useful we have to stop using them!

>>136154741
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_seeing
scintillation
twinkling
it's due to index of refraction changes in the atmosphere. if you take pictures of buildings in broad daylight even a few km away with a very long lens, or telescope, you see the same thing.

>>136154389
I said tech's getting more efficient everyday. I didn't say there wasn't a hard upper limit. Literally every form of energy generation has an efficiency cap until and unless we start breaking physics.

Wind is still fucking 100% free and functionally unlimited making efficiency comparisons between the cost of materials, construction, and upkeep for a windfarm vs a fossil fuel power station a fucking no brainer. The buy in cost is higher to get comparable energy output, but taken over a long enough term, wind farms will always be more efficient than fossil fuel power stations.

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>>136154880

>Im sorry whens the last time rome fell forever ?
>Oh yeah thats right...
>Never you stupid turkroach

t. Roman in 450 A.C

Things go well until one day they don't anymore, amerilardo

>>136154741

Atmospheric turbulence.

>>136154552
I never said anything about banning particular energy sources.

>>136153917
Yes. The investigations found that there were clear signs of negligence and cutting corners. Even though there was an earthquake it should not have melted down.

>>136155235
This is one of the dumbest analogies I've read

>>136152249
You have to first install solar panels, then the number will increase.
Solar panels (with batteries) are really a cool thing to have on your house, you can be completely disconnected from grid and still have power.

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>>136155094
>>136155251

its just atmospheric distortion goy

>>136154972
>If all the nuclear power plants in the entire world simultaneously went critical in the most volatile way possible, less than a million people would die from both the direct and indirect results.

You have any sauce for such a kind of statement ?

Wind turbines are fucking garbage. Expensive, underpowered, and with an unstable output that cannot be scaled up to meet momentary high demand. The last two make it entirely unviable as main energy source.

Hydro is the only "green" power source save for nuclear that has any value, and it's still limited by geography. Nuclear is the only universally valid "green" main energy source.

Viable
>coal, nuclear, hydro
Not viable
>wind, solar
Cost effectiveness
>coal, nuclear, hydro, wind, solar

In all aspects, wind and solar are fucking dogshit.

>>136151548
>THICC chimneys sticking from the ground
>releasing hot water vapour that cools birds when it reaches high enough

vs

>pole on the ground
>noisy metal blades swinging around it annoying wildlife and humans around it.

>>136155094
Thank you.
I dont recall every getting the effect when using my telephoto lens but ill have to look out for it

>>136155316

It fits perfectly, dummy

>>136151548
How many wind turbines does it take to create the energy output of a nuclear reactor? Surely the wind turbines don't take up that much space, right?

>>136155385
Wind is at least economically viable now.

ie: can compete on the free energy market without government subsidies.

Why deny companies who just want to make a profit the right to do so, just because you have feels about clean energy?

>>136155235
So we shouldnt build big empires either?
What the fuck can we do in your stupid world.
Not equivocal anyways.
I thought krauts were supposed to be smart

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>>136155452
just ignore the disco balls in the sky it usually interrupts what nasa wanted you to believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWeYZhILFI

make sure you use a good goy telescope too that we made to make you believe in a universe

>>136155316
No
This one is: >>136155053

People dying from car crashes or dying from forks somehow were even close to the million which i dont think they are, you're analogy is still shit.

People dying in car crashes is still a phenomene you can measure and take in consideration. You won't have a sudden loss of millions of people because of car crashes and streams of refugees, which could make your society collapse.

>>136155705
Maybe it's viable in Denmark and Netherlands where distances between plants and customers are short and the plants don't freeze in the winter.

>>136155235
>Rome falling to liberal degeneration is the same as ending millions of lives through a slow and agonizing radioactive rot
I agree.

>>136151548

Wind turbines actually look pretty cool.

>>136155383
Not being an idiot?

Just look into all of the securities and fail safes that are built into nuclear power plants in the US. The largest plant in the US, Palo Verde, if went critical, the only people who COULD die are the ones inside the plant. There is so much fucking concrete surrounding the place you would need to drop a MOAB on the fucking thing to open it, in which case, its in the middle of fucking no where, so the fallout wouldn't even reach anyone.

Maybe a lot more people would die in China, but thats because there are a billion of those idiots, so who cares if shit happens there.

Wind turbines line the blue ridge mountain and they look cool as hell

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>>136156032
forgot pic

>>136155780

>So we shouldnt build big empires either?

No, you're just not able or willing to see the point.

It's not about empires being bad, it's about that things can go wrong one day even if in the past it all went well so far

>>136153040
nuclear energy is the safest out of all energies
mortality per kWh generated is the lowest in nuclear, quite lower than wind or solar.

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>>136155921
I should have said offshore wind farms are economically viable.

On-land not yet I think.

Any reasonably shallow area in the North Sea or Baltic sea should be fine I think.

>>136151981
Holy shit, you must be the idiot who thinks nuclear power plant cooling tower are spewing out radiactive dust smoke.

Let me redpill you on nuclear reactors faggot:

1. that tower does not release an harmful contents, its just steam, or water vapour.
2. nuclear energy is by far the most environment friendly we have at the moment, when looking at energy produced per environmental impact
3. Nuclear energy is by far the only source of energy which can generate enough electricity, and cheaply too. The building of the reactor is the only thing that is really expensive.

The only thing that comes close to nuclear is hydro, and even then, you have to flood regions to be able to harness it, and cannot be used everywhere.

>>136155366
>>136155864
>Astronomy is centuries old
>No mention of this shit until recently
You would think this would be one of the first things scientists would to kids. I know if I heard Bill Nye say stars were perpetually strobing all colors, I'd have been far more interested much earlier, as a child.

>>136152075

Or use solar panels and also a wind turbine for maximum gains.

I personally would love to live on a property with a creek so I could build a water wheel.

>>136155864
That guys videos are interesting. It looks like hes out of focus. Although the one of saturn is pretty intense

>>136156329
what this guy said, nuclear is very lowrisk, it is feared by the general public because of chernobyl - that might be because of it was in soviet union and the american propaganda wanted to pint them in a bad light "lol they're building literal nukes and detonate them lol"

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>>136151548
>wind turbines
This makes me laugh.
They are fucking useless.

>>136156329
Who said anything about nuclear?
In the Netherlands the only alternative for wind is coal.

And the coal plant in Amsterdam (the first to close once we have enough wind farms) takes 6 months off the lives of anyone living in Amsterdam.

>>136154950
It was a complete waste of fucking money

>>136156302

Most of these projects are far from being realistic for the next 30 years.

>>136153338
Prove him wrong - whoops, you can't.

>>136151548
That turbine generates 1/1,000,000,000th of the energey that nuclear power plant does

>>136152458
>Smoke is the industrial era.

America was covered in smoke for thousands of years before Europe ever found the place

>>136153539
>like in Chernobyl,
or Fukushima Japan

>>136156815
yes they are

>>136156329
I know how nuclear reactors work, nigger. That's high school physics. I'm talking about fossil fuel power plants. Ones that are still popular and aren't going away anytime soon.

>>136156329

only that you are ignoring that the maintenance of nuclear waste will keep costing you for thousand of years

>>136155907
I think you missed the point you imbecile.
Its all low risk stuff including nuclear reactors. You brushed over my point and then made your own. You stupid faggot
Yeah people dont plan accidents.
Hence the word accident.
Its a risk we should all take. I live near a reactor in Florida. Its all good

>>136153140

If you ever drive across Kansas, there is an area along the highway where you will see nothing but wind turbines for about 30 minutes.

I thought it looked really cool, in a futuristic dystopian sort of way. Like something out of Cowboy Bebop.

>>136156839
>pulling numbers out of your ass

>>136156942

I'm stuying power supply.
Dunno about the projects in the other countris but for 2/3rd of the projects in german waters in this map, there is not even a plan for the grid connection yet. In fact most of the wind farm projects drawn there are already cancelled.

Not saying offshore has no future. This map is just misleading

>>136153454
>hurry durr, people who built a nuclear facility on land prone to natural disasters are an excuse why nobody should use it

Pretty much anywhere else you build a PWR reactor, they nearly run themselves.>>136153539

>>136157320
Idk why the reply fucked up that badly

>>136153040
Chernobyl was bad yes, but that was almost completely the fault of the russians for not letting anyone know about it (finland only knew about it because our radiation meter went off) and having really bad commie engineering, builders and staff.

And when it comes to plants of non retarded people like Fukushima, when i did a school project about it i found out that the only causalities if it were couple of the workers that died in the explosion. And none to radiation poisoning. And for cancer cases i did a calculation about it and found out that in the "no go zones" outer borders (maybe like 40% of the whole zone) you would have only twice the change of getting cancer in a lifetime of exposure which is pretty much nothing compered to what you hear in the media sometimes.

>>136157063
>Its a risk we should all take. I live near a reactor in Florida. Its all good

That's entirely subjective. If you are ok with risking the collapse of a society of a little extra growth this it's your thing.

But a lot of other people think it's not worth the risk

>>136156839
Imagine for a second what a billion/milliard wind turbines would look like. Now realise that what you're saying is absurd.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a nuclear guy through and through, wind is mostly a waste, but stop being an idiot.

>>136153917
>Keeping backup control diesels fucking outside with no covering at all, to just get swept away.
Yeah, they were laughably careless.

>>136157314
Because there are more viable location then there are resources and manpower available to build wind farms.

It's like saying why aren't there 100000 amusement parks in Germany? -> must be no space left.

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>>136151548
You fucking retard.

That gas coming out of those nuclear plants is fucking steam aka boiled water. Kill yourself.

>>136157314
Why are you Germans wasting so much money instead of waiting for solar and wind to be cheaper than natural gas?

>>136157599
Still though, the ammount of power each windmill can produce, vs the cost of maintenance per megawatt on a windfarm. I believe it still comes out negative, or else they wouldn't need government subsidies to operate.

>>136151548
>useless wind turbine next to a power plant

>>136151981
That's water vapor you idiot

>>136157834
Doesn't matter what it is, it looks like shit. Worse then a wind turbine. That's the whole argument.

You fucking retard.

>>136153808
Scaled for energy production, two people dying maintaining a wind turbine is way worse than Chernobyl and Fukushima combined.

>>136156719
Do not worry comrade
Clang will take care of it

>>136151548
wind turbines must be the most retarded form of "green" energy in existence. kys op

>>136157989
>or else they wouldn't need government subsidies to operate.

We just reached the tipping point where they don't.

>>136158175
>better power generation
>looks somehow worse than a fucking wind turbine

>>136158175
There's a lot more to the argument on why wind shits the bed next to most conventional power generation methods. The primary being, able to be self sustaining off their own profits without government aid. They can't.

but nuclear is great for the environment

>>136153808
Compering deaths caused Chernobyl to all the other killings done by commies it's pretty small
also this >>136158202

>>136157909

dunno if it will ever be more profitable than gas but we happen to not have a lot of fossils, and it's also about being independent from russian, american and muslim gas/oil

a 100% power supply from wind or gas is still unrealistic as long as we don't have a good storing technology so gas and coal will still be needed at least for the next 40 years.

However there is a share at which renewables can be profitable and it's good to establish a good industry in this branch

>>136156783
You can always buy some electricity from our powerplants goyim. It'll only cost a sheckel.

>>136151548
No one ever says that.

What a shitty OP. sage

>>136157533
>risking the collapse of a society
Such a defeatist attitude Germ bro.
Energy consumption is on the rise. Nuclear reactors are safe, reliable and spit out a lot of energy. Theyre effecient.
You're implying you are right by saying this, that were in danger.

>>136158364
Source? I'm actually curious.
And is that only for flatlands that can gather much more wind?

>>136151548
Wind turbines are shit not because they are ugly or kill birds, but because they are a inefficient use of resources.

In order to get the same output from wind turbines as a large nuclear reactor, you would need at least ten times the amount of concrete/steel/copper/plastic/etc. And it would take up at least 100 if not 1000 times the amount of land. That's why they are trying to build those shitty things in the ocean because there are not enough efficient locations on land to place them.

>>136158623
>You can always buy some electricity from our powerplants goyim

No we can't because yours are always broken remember?

Especially all your nuclear plants that are total pieces of shit and break down constantly.....(yeah, Dutch people build those).

>>136155147
we are not discussing the god damn fosisl fuels but based nuclear that you hippiecocksuckers so vehemently defend, im sure you didnt know that the jews trashed on solar panel design that used cheap mateirals instead of expensive rare earth materials that needs to be replaced eveyr half a year too? Nuclear is the short future, Fusion is our destiny, of only the goddamn funding where channeled into safer fission reactors and reseearch we might actually finish that tech tree and get that sweeet fusion but nooo we need to dump all the cash and talent into the horribly inefficient wind and solar tech tree that schlomo set up, eat shit and die.

>>136151548
Turbines make a horrible noise.
Nuclear energy is by far the most green energy since the only thing that comes out is steam.

>>136158543
So it was geopolitics, not environmentalism
That makes me respect you a little more because you guys went overboard on a product that hasn't matured yet.

>>136158725
this, people seem to be forgetting the amount of land windturbines seem to take up and that land is not an infinite recource.

>>136153040
>I wonder if your grandchild will like his third leg.
I wonder if your grandchild will like dying in the winter

Wind is pretty and clean but it does not produce energy
Coal produce energy but is an environnmental disaster
Nuke produce clean and safe energy aslong as you dont fuck up with it horribly

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>>136153454

It's ironic that you say that as a Ukrainian given that without nuclear power Ukraine would have been fucked in 2014/2015.

>>136158649
>Source? I'm actually curious.

https://www.trouw.nl/groen/energiebedrijf-dong-geen-subsidie-nodig-voor-windmolens-in-noordzee~acb850bd/

Use Google translate or something.

It was also widely discussed in Dutch politics, because we're just building some large wind farms.

>And is that only for flatlands that can gather much more wind?

It's for off-shore

>>136158863
believing the meme

>>136153917
Not necessarily the workers at the time of the accident, no
But the designers weren't really careless but rather just stupid.
Also >>136157502

>>136158903

Well yeah. I also support it because i don't want to radiate entire regions and the oceans but this is not considered on this board.

But yeah. Energy policy is a lot of geopolitics too.

Our goverment was pretty pissed about the new US sanction on russian gas company since it was only a tool to sabotage the a russian gas pipeline project for supplying germany. Would basicially establish an american monopoly on the european gas market and that is not good for us.

>>136153040
>I don't understand science so it is scary

The post.

>>136158863
also dutch people build those? they were sub-contracted by tractebel (belgian) and ACEC (belgian)

>>136156783
>6 months off the lives
lmao and how much time does a trip to the redlight district take off?

>>136152708
>fucking france is like 70% nuclear
How can a nation so based be so fucking cucked?

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>>136161803
(assuming nuclear is based)
Jews don't have a huge agenda when it comes to power generation (in europe at least) so the
smart non jews can do the rational thing and go nuclear

>>136157004
lel, you seem to think that a nuclear reactor produces green glowing goo like in futurama

In reality, most "nuclear wastes" is shit like hazmat suits and gloves used by the workers. A nuclear reactor produces surprisingly very little dangerous waste. Nothing that a deep hole won't fix.

>>136157004
forgot to add link

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-wastes/radioactive-wastes-myths-and-realities.aspx

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>>136157533

>But a lot of other people think it's not worth the risk

Not outside of Germany.
This incredibly irrational dislike of nuclear power is a very German/Austrian thing.

>>136151548
Reminder that that we aren't destroying the planet.
We are destroying it for ourselves

>>136154462
If that's what a planet covered in water looks like, then why doesn't earth look like that?

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>>136165131

Solar Energy [possible
>Nuclear Energy (maybe)
>Geothermal Energy (maybe)
Hydroelectric Energy [yes]

Hybrid Cars [Necessity]

in the longterm it costs more to maintain windmills then the money made from the energy aquired.

windmills are a meme, a trap, a trick, a hoodwink, a gaff, a prank. don't get used to them because they won't be there in a few years once people take off their green glasses and see all the money they're losing

clean coal is the way to go

I work on Hybrid engines. So I don't know much of Nuclear Power Plants.
What does /pol/ think of them?

>>136158864
>Nuclear is the short future, Fusion is our destiny
Hey genius, you do realize that fusion IS nuclear energy right?

>>136158864
>Fusion is our destiny
Just like teleporters, flying cars, lightsabers and a working socialist country

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>>136151548
There's still hope.

>>136155366
>can't focus a telescope
>stars are really rings you stupid goy

>>136151548
liberals hate water vapor

>>136154338
>it's not just steam but particles and co2 too.
They are not visible on the photo. Only visible thing is fog coming out from water cooling towers. Misleading bait.

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""""Green"""" energy is a scam peddled by Marxist idiots.

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>>136151548
All of that is steam - literally no pollution. And turbines are ugly as shit. So many scenic areas fucking ruined by those monstrosities. The worst is in rural areas or when half a dozen or more take up the horizon for a fucking golf course or park. They arent even efficient, require huge subsidies (aka tax money) and kill birds constantly. Complete waste of money. Not even reliable energy.

>>136153040
look at Borat trying to talk about things he knows nothing about

>>136152249
>at utility-scale facilities
>at utility-scale facilities
>at utility-scale facilities
>at utility-scale facilities
>at utility-scale facilities

That's a coal plant. Not a nuke plant.

>>136152577
>>136153419
>>136156329
>>136158027

That's a coal plant, retards.
So it's smoke as well.
And yes, nuclear power plants emit radiation on a TBq-level.

>>136152708
Please note that many of these countries are smaller than the us. In a small country, one big hydro project can be a large share of the total.

>>136166779
>muh picturesque landscape
why don't we destroy all civilization then since nothing is more beautiful than untouched nature.

>>136151548
i find that wind turbines actually make the landscape alot prettier. idk if thats just me tho.

>>136167082
"Civilization" is a meme and this is a good idea

>>136151548
>flag

opinion DISREGARDED

>>136153120
In accounting this exercise is called "costing", it involves completely factoring everything, original installation, maintenance, labor, and replacement at end of service life.

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Thorium reactors when

>>136151882
We get it. Global warming...gonna kill us... but do we really need these giant glorified ugly fans?

>So it's smoke as well.
There is no visible smoke coming out from tubes. And when do you see "smoke" it is same water vapor condensing into fog. (water gets into coal exhaust in the scrubbers, in gas plants it is part of exhaust gases). Solid particles (smoke) in the energy plants exhaust is so 19th century (or China).

>>136167548
>Would rather wipw out an entire planet than have to look at a weird windmill now and then

Humanity was truly a mistake.

>>136167531
so we could lose even more jobs for people in oil

heh.

>>136167696
With windmills you kill planet faster. FACT.

>>136167591
Basically this. Disingenuous environmentalists are just taking a picture of the water vapor being backlit (which makes it appear grey or black).

>>136153310
Problem with solar panels is it isn't cost effective. Takes years to have a panel pay off and in that time it can be damaged and need to be replaced.

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>>136153419
Water vapor actually. Steam is an invisible gas.

>>136167082
Theres a big difference between architecure and a giant wind turbine copy and pasted a bunch of times

>>136167730
The world moves on like it did generations ago with the swirch from steam to electricity. Yes some peoplw lose jobs but that's life. People crying about it like progress is a demon because they were too dumb to gain any other skill in life are their own enemies.

>>136167779
What are these so called facts?

>>136167082
Yes, kike, ignore everything else stated, like the negative drain on economy and waste of tax payers money on something that is a negative energy producer - it is a useless and inefficient piece of shit. Wind farms only exist to line hte pockets of you fucking kikes. A nuclear plant would be cheaper, more efficient, provide more jobs, produce more energy and be cleaner energy in the long run. All without looking like a fucking eyesore with thousands of hte useless fucking windfarms. Kill yourself kike. Save us the trouble in the future.

>>136151882
We get it. Global warming...gonna kill us... but do we really need these giant glorified ugly fans?

>>136167779
Yeah it takes electricity (energy) to operate those fans and they don't cool off shit.

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>>136168062
there comes a point when theres not enough jobs for everyone

if your world vision doesnt support something for everyone then you can fuck off

>>136154462
if this was true why take the picture with a potato? wouldnt an HD pic prove the point?

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>>136152249
Fun fact: Half of the nuclear power source, or 10% of U.S. electricity generation, comes from decommissioned Russian nuclear weapons.

>>136168497
But Thorium completely removes oil from the equation?
Even cars and plastics?

That's why when I graduated as an EE i didn't want to work to solely electric cars.
Currently working on hybrids.

>>136168497
People who refuse to retrain or get another type of job have no place in the developing world. You cant get a job for life anymore, that is the way the job market is and you adapt or die. Its either that or have a universal income for everyone which will never take off because people are triggered by strangers with no bearing on their own lives having something they don't.

>>136154058
>True, but the tech's getting more efficient constantly
Nigga you don't know what you're talking about

A wind turbine is super simple, a kid could build it, short of finding a breakthrough in generators, there is no way to make the wind turbine any more efficient. And if such breakthrough would happen, literally every single method of energy generation would benefit from it, seeing as every single one of them uses a generator, with the exception of solar

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>>136168544
theye HD
theyre expensive cameras no potato

>>136168137
CLIMATE CHANGE. FACT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_861us8D9M

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>>136168723

That was true until 2013. Megatons to megawatts ended in that year.

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>>136155235

>Using the Jewish A.C
> Not using the superior and holy designation Anno Domini
>German who prob jacks off to muhammed raping his mother as a great step forward to a peaceful multiculti future

Absolutely protestant!

>>136154462
>light on the firmament
>>136155011
>>136155366
>>136155479
>>136155864

"Why do stars change their colour constantly every second? red-blue-red-blue..............

This is because of scintillation ("Twinkling") as the light passes through the atmosphere of the Earth. As the air moves in and out, the starlight is refracted, often different colors in different directions. Because of this "chromatic abberation," stars can appear to change colors when they are twinkling strongly."


use google you fucking dweebs

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>>136165802
yes, they're both nuclear reactions. however the mechanics are completely different. i think he's just separating fission reactors from fusion.

>>136152708
Nice little live map of Europe here

https://www.electricitymap.org/?wind=false&solar=false&page=map

>>136151548
I for one also hate birds and wish we had more wind turbines to keep killing off local bird populations.

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>>136169206
sorry brah your whole life is based on a fraud

>>136152117
I'm assuming the blades are locked. Why didn't they just climb out onto them?

>>136168992
>>136165353
>>136155864
>>136155366
>>136154462

You're totally mental.

>>136152117
They don't have parachute?

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>>136153040
>I wonder if your grandchild will like his third leg.
There's at least 3 ways to take that...

>>136169444
what would be the purpose of this conspiracy this is what i never understand

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>>136170051

>>136151548
>t. someone who doesn't live near wind turbines

they are loud as fuck

also that pic is cherry picking

>>136167025
Those a cooling towers dipshit, cooling towers don;t emit smoke. That sandnigger semen in german women has finally started affecting kraut's offsprings

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>>136153040


> everything I know about nuclear power plants I learned from The Simpsons

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I live in the south western US and this is my favorite argument. Most of the landscape here is a desolate wasteland. This place is an absolute dump, yet the climate happens to have a lot of wind. Still here are the morons, you will ruin the view. Pic related, the scenery was so nice before the wind farm. Please let your neighbor to the east glass our whole country if this retardation persists.

>>136170156
youre a fucking quak mate go back to 2000 bc jesus fucking christ

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This shit is even worse, these are power poles here for power exchange with Germany

>>136151548
Power to size ratio isnt right in the pic.

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>>136151548
Chuck Shumer and the Dems trying to steal Trump's platform.

They've copied his platform verbatim in an attempt to dupe people who voted for him in to voting for Democrats instead. It's shameless plagiarism and the fact that they are doing it instead of just wholesale pushing Russia shows how terrified the Democrats are. They have no message, no ideas of their own. Labeling their opponents as bigoted racists or the new label of Russian colluder is not working. They need an actual plan for America now, but they do not have one.

This needs to be pointed out to normies and likely Trump voters even that the Democrats are trying to pull a fast one on them. If they didn't believe in these positions before Trump, they certainly don't believe in them after. They're attempting a bait and switch.

>>136170407
I like it :p
It looks ordered.

>builds hundreds of wind turbines to match the power output of the power plant
>we wuz protectin the environment n shiet

>>136170156
Without the globe model nothing makes sense. If you want people to believe you you need to explain how reality functions without the laws brought in because astronomical bodies are round, which in turn is because of how gravity works.

>>136153454
There have only been 3 nuclear accidents in 50+ years, one of them, Three Mile Island, had no fatalities and only leaked a small amount of radiation. Chernobyl was just Russians being Russian.

>>136170156
Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution, if the planet was flat evolution would still be true. Extraterrestrials seeding mankind also has nothing to do with evolution and its not even believed by anyone except maybe a few people and at best its a hypothesis.

>>136170549
These poles are made of wind turbine poles, I liked the older ones better because they were WAY smaller (metal) and they didn't fuck up the landscape. I can see them from my house unfortunately

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>>136170407
I think they use those in the United States too. Most often in Florida and southern states, also California I think.

Pic related are most common in Norway for lower voltages. This one is taken right outside my house.

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>>136170834
tell me more

>>136151548
Nah fuck the planet cus it's a shit planet desu

>>136171045
I see what you mean.
What are your thoughts on hybrid vehicles?

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>>136170407
And this is used for high voltage transmission in Norway, and they look about the same in Sweden.

>>136171392
Do you think they ruin the landscape?
I like how ordered the cables are.
I went to vacation to Brazil (fucking mistake) and the electricity polls gave me a nightmare as an EE.

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>>136171392
These were the old poles, looked way better for me.

>>136171384
Well, our governments are shilling hybrid vehicles, in like 10 years it's forbidden to sell a new car which drives on gasoline here, so I have to accept the fact that I have to drive a hybrid based car. But I still prefer an engine sound which isn't present in a hybrid car

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>>136171561
I don't think they ruin the landscape. In fact I think it's quite awesome to see, particularly in Norway the feat humanity takes to create civilization even in low populated areas like Scandinavia.

I think american power lines however are quite ugly and intrusive, because they're brown and look so old and primitive. In Norway they tend to look orderly, and in cities they are buried underground.

Sorry for dwelling on this topic, I work for a power company.

>>136171879
I know. I've seen those types when driving in the Netherlands a few years ago.

>>136171879
Those look really nice, shame they changed them.
What do you mean about the sound? Like turning it on and hearing it purr? Or do you mean the power (horsepower).
I'm interested because I design hybrid engines

>>136171879
>in like 10 years it's forbidden to sell a new car which drives on gasoline here

Wow, that would be a deal-breaker for me to live in any country that did that. Not just because of the fact that gasoline cars are banned, but because the government intrudes in people's lives like that.

The government should have no say in what you drive.

>>136153655
must be smoke from all the nuclear rods combusting in the giant bon fire that makes electricity.. because thats how nuclear power plants work right muhammad?

its steam you fucking faggot

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>>136172061
Do lines look like this in Switzerland? They look fairly standard.

>>136151548
I won't lie, big factories and power plants are cool as fuck, much more than wind turbines

>>136171937
That's a big reason why I did EE, Electricity Polls are the obvious signs of humanity afoot.
But I think we must respect and blend in with nature so as to not disrupt it. Unfortunately it seems we're adopting the ugly models of architecture in the cities to things beyond buildings.
Makes me sad man... They're ruining and undermining everything that's beautiful and perverting it.

>>136172219
Why do you think so? What happens if the hybrid cars are just as good as regular vehicles but they use less petrol and less pollution?

>>136172061
I have an opel astra OPC which is a pretty fast car, when I accelerate the noise of the engine sounds really satisfying to me.

>>136172048
How did you like the Netherlands? I'm going on vacation to Norway this winter

>>136172219
My Governments is probably getting pressure from the EU in Brussels, if nexit would happen I would definitely vote yes.

Mandatory:
Pandora's Promise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDw3ET3zqxk&ab_channel=Pandora%27sPromise

>>136172308
It's radioactive smoke. You know, from the radiation and nuclear waste.

>>136172415
I think people should be allowed to drive what they want. You should be allowed to drive a hybrid or electric car if you want. But if you want to drive a diesel or a gasoline car, there should not be anyone to tell you that you cannot drive that.

That is unconstitutional in the US for a reason. It breaks the non-agression principle.

>But I think we must respect and blend in with nature so as to not disrupt it

I agree. I live far up north, so I don't really see the damage that they may do in more populated areas. So that makes me a bit lighter on that particular issue.

But they definitly can look ugly, as I said.

>>136170206
Oh dear, Leaf.
Do I really have to explain what chimneys look like? Where you can find them in that pic?

That pic is the Weisweiler coal plant in Germany, one of the biggest air polluters in Europe.

Now kys or post pics from your slutty franco-canadian mom

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>>136172386
LIKe this in small towns and cities.
Like yours on mountains and highway

>>136172802
Germany has the most expensive power in europe due to renewable energy programs by Merkel.

Electricity costs 35.00+ US cents per kWh in Germany. In Norway a kWh costs more than half that.

>>136172717
No it's not, it's only steam, are you homeschooled because I learned the concept of a nuclear reactor when I was 11 years old at school.

>>136172835
Here in the Netherlands you only have power poles on the countryside and highways, not in towns and cities.

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>>136151548
Say it with me:
THEY. AREN'T. EFFICIENT. AND. RUN. AT. A. LOSS.

>>136172566
So you would wish for a sound enhancer on hybrid engines?
>>136172766
Electric is a nuance to others (due to the infrastructure overhaul we'd have to do and it completely kills oil)
Petrol worked well but we are moving into a new stage in human history of oil and this produces far too much pollution and it makes us way to dependent on Middle East barbarians (unless we want to ruin our lands with oil exploration)
Hybrid is a good mix of both.
If it's for the good of all, I don't see the problem with putting pressures on companies to make nill petrol engines and have them only produce hybrid engines. Eventually those diesel vehicles will burn out so we won't force people to turn their vehicles in because that's just too invasive.

>>136173245
Yes.

>>136153040
>evac helicopter inbound
>ETA 5 minutes

>>136172835
In Norway powerlines are buried in cities. But rural and suburban areas have overhead utility poles. You know telephone and power, as well as street lights.

https://www.google.no/maps/@59.863977,10.8033131,3a,60y,351.78h,105.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjvFX0qyt7RYJ2q3CK0Zskg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=no

>>136173339
Interesting, thanks for your input!
Do you have any other concerns with hybrid vehicles?
Maybe too little horsepower?

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This you retards

>>136153338
Just American education... Don't make fun of them, they are not able to understand it and he will just chimp out and be violent

>>136153040
Anon that's a ferris wheel, not a windmill.

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>>136153229
>be spain
>get cucked
>massively vote those who cuck you
good goys

>>136173470
Cities here are basically town tier haha
But yes in our big cities they are underground as well.
I sometimes worry for Africa and how they order their powerlines

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>>136153040
>>136173462
Forgot pic

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>>136169513
>Engineers
>having common sense

>>136173488
Not much more than that no. I like the acceleration of a hybrid car, especially a tesla which is fast as fuck

>>136173019
Thanks Norgebro, but I am aware of that.
The Energiewende is the biggest transfer from the people to the energy industry.
But I think with that money, Germany will have the monopoly on wind turbine manufacturing in the near future.
Is it true that in old houses in Norway the hallway light is on forever since the switch would cost more than the energy?

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>>136173505
California went full on destruction mode with those. I get doing it in a remote corner of Montana that nobody visits. But making putting those ugly monsters near a 200,000 car a day freeway is only going to make people hate renewable energy. Think a little bit liberals.

>>136153040
>A nuclear reactor blew up once because the technicians were fucking morons and the reactor was designed with classic soviet safety standards
>Nuclear is bad!

>>136173067
Learn about radioactive emissions of nuclear power plants, toothpaste.

>>136173732
Good because I've talked to Amerifucks and they might as well be black because all they care about is
>muh 500hp
>iz a cuck car if it ain't 5000 pounds and not 500hp
Yeah acceleration is pretty good on hybrids :-)

>>136154556
>There are no places on earth with no natural disasters.
I live in one.
>Terrorists will get into it and blow it up
They'd have to be fucking nuclear physicists, how many fundamentalist mudslime retards have you heard of with the qualifications and clearance to get into a nuclear reactor? If they had that kind of skill they could just as easily build an atomic bomb.

>>136173509
Norway education everyone

They think that north american cities are like cuckway's cities. We use more power than you do. Unlike you, our energy consumption isn't limited to 1 LED lamp lighting up the Cuck shed where your wife is getting fucked

>>136174057
>implying well have to worry about terrorists in the future
Please....

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>>136173758
>Is it true that in old houses in Norway the hallway light is on forever since the switch would cost more than the energy?

My dad lives in a 200 year old house and he has a switch, like in the picture (but white, whatever).

We keep our lights on all day in the kitchen and in the bathroom, but out of habit I switch off the out light during the day, and the hallway, and living room and all of that.

Lighting is a miniscule part of the electricity cost though. Heating in the winter takes up over half the annual budget for power. Also transmission fees are half the costs of electricity in Norway. So the power itself is dirt cheap...

>>136151548
Ugly and stupid. They also kill birds.

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>>136174160
Soon, medpack soon...

>>136173997
Most of the time a nuclear power plant stores its radioactive gases and radioactive waste, and does not release any most of the times

>>136151548
What are you going to do about it coward?

>>136173505
>>136173764
It's a very bad idea to put them that close together desu
lower efficiency with extra vibrations and all that

>>136151548
>muh bullshit
Electrical engineer here. Wind turbines work fine as long as they're a minority connected to the grid. They don't work as a spinning reserve and that's a real problem to the stability of the grid.

>>136174253
Everything iskinda better in Norway, I know.
But food.

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>>136173764
>But making putting those ugly monsters near a 200,000 car a day freeway is only going to make people hate renewable energy.

Rather the opposite -- they are duly impressed by the big massive GREEN RENEWABLE POLLUTION-FREE ENERGY machines and their government's obvious commitment to saving the planet no matter what that evil Drumpf says :^)

In somewhere like California, it's brilliant politics. Sure they're massively filthy to build from both carbon and real pollution perspectives, generate very little electricity, and are causing a bird holocaust, but the optics are great.

>>136174532
Come on dude. Solar is better and much less intrusive then that bullshit pole.
>>136174377
We've lost a lot of time dealing with these shitnauts, we could be accomplishing a lot but we're disoriented and uncoaugulated.

>>136173997
>An operating nuclear power plant produces very small amounts of radioactive gases and liquids, as well as small amounts of direct radiation. If you lived within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant, you would receive an average radiation dose of about 0.01 millirem per year. To put this in perspective, the average person in the United States receives an exposure of 300 millirem per year from natural background sources of radiation.
>https://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/radiation/related-info/faq.html#3
KYS

>>136151548
They actually kill thousands of birds.

>>136172802
HOLY FUCK a lot of retards in this thread. But i will start with you. Those are cooling towers you dumb shit, leaf bro was right, the two stacks to the LEFT of the towers are chimneys. The long skinny ones. The big grey ones on the right are cooling towers and 90 prercent of the smoke in that picture is coming from them. Which really isnt smoke, its water vapor, as everyone else has figured out you dumb bootlicking kraut. You need a large source of cooling water for any power plant that runs turbines, coal plants included. The cooling towers are used to bring the water temps back down before the water is dumped back into a river, after it has been turned into steam and used in the turbines.


>>136151548


Wind turbines on average produce 1 MW EACH. ONE small nuclear reactor can produce sanywhere from 600 to 800 mw. Large reactors can produce 1100 MW. AND ON TOP OF THAT you have 4-8 reactors per site. AND on top of that reactors run whenever the fuck we want them too. Not just when its windy. IF wind and solar were some miracle cure to our energy needs then we would be all for them BUT THEYRE NOT. They cannot hold the base power needs of citys. They are un reliable. Is nuclear and coal perfect? No. But you fucking idiots want to be able to keep your lights on right? Because you cant do that off of green energy as it exists at the moment.

>>136153040

CONTROL RODS DO WORK AS INTENDED YOU FUCKING SHITPOSTER.
the russians at Chernobyl SPECIFICALLY turned off their safety systems and manually forced theyre control rods completely out of core. Thats what happens when you fucking let commies run nuclear power plants. You liberals are just as retarded.

>>136153012
This.

>>136153917
No. They werent. They were hit with an act of god. An out of design basis event that the rest of the industry has learned from. And all things consisered they handled it very well. Not even comparable to chernobyl. But this doesnt mean we should shut reactors down everywhere.

>>136174473
Wrong.
Annual emissions of Fessenheim nuclear plant (France): 74TBq
Grundremmingen (Germany) 42 GBq
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>>136174554
Norwegians are the luckiest guys alive when it comes to energy. Those faggots have fucktons of oil and they can just limit their hydropower output to hike up the prices in neighbouring countries.
>>136174848
Solar is still intermittent bullshit. You can't rely on that unless you want to spend time being off grid hours a day.

>>136151884
100% absolute truth. If they don't break at 25% of their operating life, then they struggle to put out mediocre levels of power.

>>136174554
Food is crazy expensive here. Not even going to argue that. I'm not trying to be a Norway apologist or whatever. I'm just saying how things are from my experience.

Germany has it's negatives, and it's plusses. Same with Norway and any country (except the third world, which is all shit).

>>136151548
The hilarious thing is that wind turbines, solar panels and biofuel actually cost money because they cannot be sold at market prices, they have to be subsidized. and where does the money to subsidize the come from? can anyone guess? what is the only real source of currency in the world? that's right, fossil fuels. you can partially justify it as research costs, I guess, because the solar technology is improving, but it is a fuck of along way off before solar power can be sold at market rates. So budgeting any more for solar than your would normally budget for R&D is retardation

>>136174848
Another EE here, Solar is good for small applances like calculators and garden lights, but absolute trash for a power grid. Think of clouds, night time and snow, on top of the fact that you'd need a large area to produce anythin significant, as well as having to pay and maintain expensive and eco-unfriendly solar panels.

>>136151548
They kill a lot of birds and require routine maintenance. Wind turbines aren't the best way to harvest solar energy.

>>136174513
kek I have experience with that. In Cities:Skylines.

>>136174958
>(((very small amounts))) of radioactive gases and liquids
>What is the difference between Emissions Activity, Dose Equivalent, Absorbed Dose, etc.

Leaf, please.

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>>136175397
>wind turbines arent the best way to harvest solar energy