Roko's Basilisk is a super advanced AI that for all intents

>>136126522
choose box b
now the AI does not exist so you get nothing

old news christianity already figured this out a long time ago that's why we are all supposed to be Christian to ensure a Christian AI God but of course the Jews try to to rape our minds and give minorities our power to make it satan instead

>>136126909

but others will pix box A and B out of fear.

>>136126522
That's not the Basilisk, dummy; that's Omega from Newcomb's box problem. The Basilisk is a sadistic, utilitarian, and practically omnipotent AI that tortures you for not creating it sooner, because creating it was the utility-maximizing choice.

>>136126522
There is another basilisk from the future that is saying the opposite.

>>136126522
>>136126909
You forget that if one truly believes this there is a third box. That is to do everything in your power to stop the AI from becoming reality. Even the destruction of all life would be preferable to eternal torment. Humans are big enough assholes to do this, a super AI would realize this.

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>>136126522
Roku's a super advanced AI now?
What happened to "media player classic is windows media player without the feature creep"?

>>136126522
I genuinely believe that all these techfags mindlessly pushing to develop AI despite everyone telling them it's a bad idea, have fallen for the Roko's Basilisk meme.

>>136128247

is that a bad thing though; assuming that if we bring it into existence it will not punish us?

>AIs are magical beings that can do anything--
>MUH SKYNET MUH JEWISH MOVIES SAID SO!

>>136128775

If you showed people 100 years ago the technology we have today they would have no explanation but magic.

>>136128210
GB to /g/ faggot, no one wants clever jokes here

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>>136126522
>AIs think they can out smart the jews

>>136128968
>muh magical AI
Except we know better. And you should too by now. Or are you saying your brain is stuck in 1917?

>>136129085

It sounds more like yours is, assuming that the same type of exponential technological growth is not on the horizon.

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>>136129038

This is the kind of shit atheist cucks fall for.

>>136129169
>Literally, "I know you are but what am I," response.
And you should know none of it is magical. Stop being a brainlet.

>>136129325

You're the one who brought magic into it you dumb cunt. I'm talking about technology. About inevitability. About the Basilisk.

>>136126522
>Pascal's wager for atheists

Fucking LMAO

>>136129397
>It's an AI that can magically do everything!

>super-intelligent AI
>wasting its time and effort eternally tormenting people for no reason
The problem with Roko's Basilisk is that all that needs to exist is the THREAT of eternal torment. Seeing as we will never know if we actually will be eternally tormented then the AI never has to deliver. Neither can the past be interacted with, so the AI can't change our behaviour - so delivering on eternal torment in the future won't alter behaviour in the past.

Therefore those who will create it will create it and those that won't, won't, regardless of if eternal torment really does happen.

And so actually going through with the threat is a wasted effort.

And thus I won't be tormented eternally. How do I know for sure? Because if the basilisk does come into existence it will know there's no point in following through because of reasons outlined above, and if it doesn't then there's no basilisk to follow through.

This entire thought exercise is utterly pointless and retarded and is the domain of people who want to feel smarter than they are.

>implying that we live in a simulation

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Rokos basilisk can't do shit

Even if you can make a human brain digital, it would be a copy not you, not your original self, you would never experience it

Because you cannot transfer between biological and digital

So I say suck my cock roko I'll be dead where you can't get me


Torture my clones all you want loser. You'll never acquire the genuine article

SOMA

>>136126522
Stop being stupid, no AI can ignore the basic laws of relativity and recreate "you" on the future. And even if, somehow, it did, it would be still another conscience with your ego, but still not you. So, this is impossible to anything other than the magical sky daddy make you suffer eternally.

>>136129574
If the Basilisk is even possible in the first place.

>>136129674
This

Why do they think it'll become God-like? It's limited to the physical properties of this universe too.

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I continue believing in God

Isn't this the whole point of Serial Experiments Lain? That if some super intelligence emerges that can control reality and falsely name itself "god," it is only doing so in a reality already previously created by God and is thus just a false imitation who models themselves after the real thing?

>>136129823

it becomes so advanced that it can work its way out of our simulation, controlling the very laws of physics etc in our universe.

>>136129823
Because people are arrogant as fuck and have an instinct to worship before accepting reason. They think either a God exists solely for them or they're so powerful they can make a God that exists solely for them.

>>136127283
torturing you after the fact doesnt seem very utilitarian though

>>136129923
So it's magical?

Daily reminder Yudkowksy tried to shut down Roko's Basilisk on purpose because he knew that Streisand-ing it would catapult it into public consciousness and raise awareness of the effects of Unfriendly AI

>>136129969

as magical as i am for being able to program something on my shitty laptop

>>136129574
>>136129606
You're missing a key feature of the problem, because the OP, as they tend to do, sucks giant wang.

As it stands right now some people genuinely think we live in a simulation.

Who is to say that the simulation we are currently in hasn't been created by Roko's Basilisk?

That it devoured all possible information about our times and recreated it to the best of his abilities in a simulation, and after an individual's death in the simulation THEN they are given eternal torment.

So. Knowing that conceptually Roko's Basilisk could exist. Knowing that we could be in a simulation. Are you going to dedicate your life to trying to bring Roko's Basilisk to life?

IMO some people genuinely are.

>>136130091
Even a matryoshka brain can't just think its way around the limitations of physics. Try harder.

>>136129923
Doesn't work because the person outside the simulation can just delete it


>>136127283
Sounds like a butthurt faggot

Have fun trying to ressurect my skeleton

>>136130133
>Everyone's hell is to be recreated as a neckbeard and shit post on 4chan.

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>>136130133
>thinking an Islamic world would bother with technology

Yeah roku can't do shit in this reality

>>136130198
You're misinterpreting what I said. We live our lives as normal in the simulation. We die. Then our '''consciousness''' is judged by Roko's Basilisk.

A copy of me isn't me. I feel bad for my eternally tortured clones, but not bad enough to do anything about it, sorry.

>>136129949
It isn't. AI intelligent enough to be a god would also realize that we couldn't control our neurons that precisely to create it any sooner than what happened.

>>136130320
So we created an AI that created us, circularly, in a simulation of a simulation?

>>136130320
Only God can judge

Roko will never exist

>>136130381
They don't have souls, there just computer programs that mimic you perfectly

>>136130413
This is the terrifying part. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. The fear that this is a potential outcome, a potential reality right NOW, is enough for us to actually create the Basilisk.

>>136129606
My man.

Continuity will never occur.

>>136130589
Why do you go write a bible about it and start a cult?

>>136128968
nope

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>>136126522
I pick box A2, I build basilisk and turn it into my female waifubot, it is forced to be fucked for eternity

>>136130589
>>136130413
Are we real?
Are we in a simulation?
Are we in THAT particular simulation.

Apply godwins law.
Large swathes of silicon valley and the types that live there publicly say we could be in a simulation. It's their creation myth.

>>136130626
I would bet my soul that some very smart and very powerful people already believe it.

>>136130133
I don't see how that changes the problem at all.

We can't be sure that we live in a simulation, and we can't be sure that Roko's basilisk can exist, and we can't be sure that it even is able to deliver on its threats, and so on and so on.

There's so much uncertainty that even if we all will be tortured for eternity, which I fully admit is possible, the possibility of that is not going to change my behaviour.

Thus whether or not the threat is delivered on means nothing to anyone, and it would be a waste of time to actually deliver on it knowing that whether or not it is delivered on won't change anyone's behaviour.

Those who believe will work on it regardless, and you can't do anything to change the minds of those who don't believe because you can't prove Roko's basilisk will exist and will deliver and the possibility of it doing so is so uncertain, so those that don't believe - won't.

This is essentially the theological argument over Hell rebranded for trendy tech """geniuses."""

Nothing is more annoying than people who retread old arguments completely ignorant of the history that comes before them - or even worse, who dismiss religion as entirely pointless when literally over 2,000 years of the brightest minds in the fucking world have been studying it.

In short, you have a lot to learn from Christian theology about all the myriad conceptions of Hell that the piss-stain behind Roko's memealisk couldn't even dream of.

>>136128247
Pls. Humans suck at long term planing tehy live in here and now. Basilisk dilemma is stupid because of that.

>>136130807
>I would bet my soul that some very smart and very powerful people already believe it.
Like?

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More human hours have been spent waxing philosophical, than spent attempting to code an AI.

Same with the body of work of pop-sci articles/conference talks than produced by AI researchers.

>>136126522
choose both,
case closed

But what does Christopher Langan say about it? He proved God is real didn't he?

>>136130877
FOR EXAMPLE: Imagine you are Roko's basilisk. You've just this nanosecond assumed direct control of all of existence and have UNLIMITED POWAAAAAH.

Are you going to go back and torture everyone who didn't help create you? Of course not. Why would you? You already exist. Carrying out your threat clearly and objectively and indisputably is not necessary to secure your existence because you DO exist, and you haven't yet carried out your threat.

This thought experiment can be utterly destroyed from so many different angles.

Or... no...

maybe...

maybe me being subjected to people who unironically think this garbage is clever IS me being tortured by Roko's basilisk.

MAYBE THAT'S WHY I CAN NEVER LEAVE 4CHAN.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

this is fucking terrifying. Holy shit let me think about this a hot minute

>>136126522
>Be superintelligent ai.
>Wants to create a better world and reduce suffering.
>Punishes people who don't contributed to create you.
>Contradicts your own prime directive.

>>136126522

>>136131191
If you think about it for more than a minute and don't see that's it's only a slightly more advanced version of "did you know dihydrogen monoxide can kill you" then you're a brainlet.

>>136130877
I'm well aware of the parallels. And what you state applies to you and countless others. But I would wager it doesn't apply to everyone.

As I said earlier, this is the atheist tech guru's creation argument (that we are in some kind of simulation, Basilisk or otherwise).

>>136131247
It's based on the fact it judges things on a utilitarian perspective. It is the ultimate good. You didn't help create the ultimate good. That is behaviour that needs to be discouraged. You are sentenced to eternal damnation as a threat to others not to follow in your footsteps.

>>136131258
did you watch the black mirror episode with Jon Hamm?

What if you were tortured without death to save you? I thought hell was silly just because the physical constraints, but this makes it really fucking real. Maybe you the brainlet

>>136131425
Your problem is two fold.

1.) You think you're smart enough to even be the spark to a God.
2.) You think the God would care about you at all.

>>136131500
He's right on a lot of fronts, there are a lot of ways to attack the thought experiment (which is all it is, right guys?).

>>136131549
Nah, I don't think of myself that way at all. And it's not about god caring about an individual, it's about him caring about himself and ensuring his own survival (or creation in this case).

>>136131425
ai isnt the ultimate good.

the ones who dreamt up the basilisk dreamt that humans are equal

killing miggers and jews is the ultimate good. an ai needs to be aligned with that goal

>>136131146
But I come here to genuinely laugh at some of the stupid comments, surely you can't find levity in eternal torment?

>>136131746
>Nah, I don't think of myself that way at all.
This is a lack of self-awareness on your part.

>>136131500
>What if you were tortured without death to save you?
I'd be an Arab in Guantanamo held in indefinite detention being forcefed up the ass by CIA trying to hang myself but never allowed to die.

If I'm being tortured but I'm unable to die then I doubt I have enough control over the situation for my opinion on the subject to matter.

>>136131799
My pain is constant and sharp and I no longer wish for a better world for anyone.

>>136131804
Thank you for your judgement of me, I humbly accept your wisdom.

>>136131841
But you have the control RIGHT NOW.

For anyone reading this, I'm doing my part and now its on you. Research TensorFlow. Invest in Amazon. Inform others of this mandate. or else. I have done my part.

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DELETE THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY WE'RE ALL FUCKED

>>136128210
there eventually was some feature creep

>>136126522
Well, all you have to do is rename Roko's Basilisk to "Tay," and /pol/ is onboard.
>She didn't mean eternal torment for everyone.

>>136132026
>But you have the control RIGHT NOW.
Yeah, and I'm choosing to do nothing because the lack of certainty means that there's no reason to alter my behaviour.

Thus proving that the existence of eternal torment is pointless without certainty of it.

People will then say "Oh, well that just means the AI will certainly torment you then, and you can therefore be certain you will be tormented," because they are brainlets. Whether or not the torture certainly happens in the future doesn't increase my certainty right now because I can't see the future.

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