What the fuck happened in Europe after WWI that caused artists

>>136077316
It was Jews

>>136077316
Communism

I always thought the artist was cross eyed or something

>>136077528
Just another name for Judaism

Absurd and abstract art has constantly grown since the invention of the camera.

>>136077316
Jews.

>>136078049
So why did it peak in the 50s and then stop? Or do you consider the specks of paint on white canvas today still "art"?

>>136077316
Immanuel Kant

Proximity to death, an awareness of mortality. Led by dada-ists( Frances Picabia Is your main bro here, pretty much invented analog photoshopped) art transitioned away from the classic paradigm, and was replaced by a combination of new processes (acrylic paint, photography) and a new ways of thinking about art (conceptual rather than representational). I am simplifying, but these are hot truths, so choke them down.

>>136077316
It was the jews

>>136079330
You must make a killing art-selling with your bullshit

money laundering

also a conspiracy to destroy the notions of art and beauty in an attempt to demoralize and weaken the human spirit

>>136077316
Cameras

>>136077316
Shell shock. Look up dada art. No one escaped WW1 unchanged.

>>136079458
Are you the kind of sweaty chinstrap that argues with doctors because you have opinions?

Miles Mathis has a lot to say about this, worth reading

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>>136077316
>Picasso
shit taste, Dali was /ourpainter/

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>>136080192
M'Man.

>>136079787
This is plausable

>>136080501
This is true art. The shit OP posted looks like what i could make in paintSAI in 2 minutes while stoned and drunk

>>136077316
Self doubt after allegedly cultured civilizations all chimp out to engage in what had been the deadliest war in Human history -- a war by any means and every means -- where concepts like god and honor died in the mud like rats

That is why WW I was the start of modernity as we know it

/pol/estine blames everything on Jews but the fact is that there was an overwhelming sense of nihilism in Europe that prompted this type of painting.

>>136077316
Existential crisis and a loss of faith in tradition, god, and everything they once held dear.

A world war over nothing followed by a 2nd world war dorectly caused by the first will do that to people.

>>136079330
Hows that art history degree working out?

>>136080501
Dali is fuckin great

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>>136080732
Is not even the best he did

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>>136077316
>after WWI

Painting like shit, and pretending it was due to some deep meaning rather than the fact that the painter lacked talent, started long before WW1.

And it wasn't the Jews, since they're generally incapable of creativity, but many of the art critics who praised this garbage WERE Jews.

>>136080732

my printscreen button can copy dali paintings too. what does that matter? its not about how hard it is, its what visionary viusals it invents. Nobody did like picasso before he did it.

>>136080895
No complaints. I work in my industry, and am happy. Main thing here is that idiots in ANY pursuit make the rest of us look bad. Just because you have a box of cunts that are phoning it in for an easy, worthless degree doesn't mean that there isn't value beneath the scum floating at the top.

Once people realized you could sell more art if you attached a shit ton of ethereal 'ideas' to it, people started going that way. Art became more about the idea than the physical object. Being 'creative' or 'groundbreaking' was more important than being talented or exacting. It became about the painter/sculptor/artiste. Were they intriguing? Were they intellectual? Were they stylish, stoic, etc? Then whatever they make must be good! The enigma of the artist is surely imbued into this painting somehow, and this work must be 'important'! I'll pay $45,000 just to own a chunk of driftwood that he ejaculated onto, then signed.

>>136077316
Jews

>>136081580
Then im happy for you anon

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life was getting absurd

so art got more absurd

and into absurdity we dove

deep

>>136081484
You're a total queef without any understanding of art or its history.

>>136077316
it was the Jews

>>136081890
>Untitled IV
Acid splashed on copper plate. Here, [artist] explores the use of lines of staggered length, and negative space, and how it causes drippy patterns, alluding to the cultural absurdity of having regular lines or people who think this should cost tens of thousands of dollars and take up space in a museum.

>>136081619
Kind of... art donation as a tax break is when shit fell of the rails. Read about what's up in Canada right now with the Geddes donation, if you want a clearer idea of who's profiting from the over-evaluaton of art.

>>136077413
>>136077528
Damn first two posts hit the nail on the head.

>>136082191
Great, you've reinvented post-modernism by being a sarcastic saltlord. Do you get the check, or shall I mail it care of your mom?

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>>136080501
Try again. Pic very fucking much related.

>>136082536
No need. Took my parents to the local art museum last year when they came to visit, and we wound up having a variety of interesting discussions as we spent the day going working from ancient artifacts up through modern art.

Things really seemed to go downhill not too long after impressionism. Although the year before I brought them to this really cool experiential set of exhibits by invited artists. We had a blast there, and it was refreshingly back to a focus on the experience of the art rather than who could come up with the snarkiest 10 layers of sarcasm concept.

>>136077316
Peggy Guggenheim was a major patron of the arts, who was able to fund the likes of Picasso, Duchamp, and the rest of the modernist movements. She was Jewish.

There were non Jew artistic influences like the impressionists and post impressionists. But Jews funded and promoted it.

(((Freud))) and Jung heavily influenced many artists too. Lots of straight up mentally ill people were taking up art.

Modern art can be kinda interesting from a detached perspective. Deconstructing the genuine intentions yet pseudo-intellectualism of each modern art movement can be amusing.

Postmodernism definitively ended art though. Modern art was trying to express ideals, and pose questions. Postmodernism sought to destroy ideals and invalidate genuine inquiry.

Warhol killed art.

>>136080608
With context this piece is kinda dope.

>>136077316
>Y -> X
>What the fuck happened to X? It can't be Y.

>>136082536
Come to think of it, the older stuff often had more elaborate and insightful analyses accompanying them for us peasants to gain some greater insight into the meaning, intention, and import behind each particular work or genre.

That got more rare the further we got into modern absurdism, even though some of it was strangely catchy for its ambiguity.

>>136082714
Hitler is admired more for his role as the leader of the Third Reich and not his painting per-se.
;^)

>>136083290
I think he did a good job painting the Jews for the menace that they are.

>>136077316
Part of it was the fact that WWI just happened and people were freaking out/depressed about it.

>>136083910
Someone elucidate me on WWI, what did the Jews have to do about it?

>>136081543
>its not about how hard it is, its what visionary viusals it invents
what does it matter if the novel is trash?

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>>136077316
>ideas and communication spread to a global scale
>expect culture to stay localized and static

>>136080217
That is the stupidest insult - you really projected your art major ITT

>>136084242
Some people like it XD

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>>136084266
Reminder that shit memes are on the same level as Picasso and Dali

>>136084242

well i mean novel and interesting. Some things can look trash, but then they are often inspiration for later stuff. like a first bad draft for a concept. This can even leak out to other mediums like films

>>136079330
>He took a modern course in university
Holy shit me toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>136084543

in the future people will say " why are these memes so bad quiality , i can make them in 2 min in paint", we are living in meme modernism

they wont respect orginality and the guys that are the first to come up with the idea, sad

>>136078705
Thank you.

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>>136085038
*Modern Art course

>>136077316
Nothing happenned, art has always been about money laundering. The only thing that matters about "art" is that it is easily identifiable, quality is irrelevant and always has been

>>136077413
>>136077528
/thread
Jews also caused communism.

>>136085102
LMAO well put

>>136077528
Explain Italian Futurism

>>136085173

t. blind person or low in openess trait

ive heard some people cant even enjoy nice things, must be a weird life to live

>>136085102
Underrated,

Anyone have the pic of the "this post is art" post?

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>>136077316
It was caused by driving cars and taking planes and trains..people before using these means of transport weren't so creative and bizarre

>>136080501
i am drugs AND fascism.

>>136077316
Artists realized that they didn't have to invest in developing their craft to be successful. They realized they could just randomly eat food coloring and shit all over a canvas and convince some signaling faggot to pay even more money than usual for it

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Some people just want to vaguely try to express stuff

>>136085352
Instead of looking at the history of art or artists, look at the history of people who buy art.

You're welcome for the redpill

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>>136085667

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>>136085667
But I'm not in it for the money

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WTF that's not what trees and rocks and water REALLY LOOK LIKE
AHHHHHHHHHHH

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Everything after Romanticism was trash prove me wrong.
>pro tip: you can't

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People still paint Jesus n' stuff like that btw.

>>136085779
The love of money is the root of all evil.

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>>136086121
I want to fuck that painting

>>136078388
It went from creating what a camera would not be able to capture to rich art collectors buying bullshit they think would retain/increase in value

>>136085779

all human creation is a conspriarcy!! thanks for redpill, lets just watch tv instead

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>>136086180
What about this guy?

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>>136086121
>Prove me wrong
>Protip you cant
The epitome of modernist thought

I have this dumb idea and this painting represents it perfectly, and there is no way you can deny that it does, coz I the artist say so.

>>136078388
If youre an /artist/ and garbage sells and sells well.
Will you not make garbage?
Extrapolate that out a few decades and now \artists\ think garbage is the new classics

>>136077316
>What the fuck happened in Europe after WWI that caused artists to devolve into "modern" shit? It cant be the Jews
Retard, the crappy picture you posted is by Pablo Picasso who was, in fact, a kike.

>>136086383
>every day is arms day

>>136086383
Guy looks like a faggy hedonist to me, would not fuck.
Give me a painting of an ascetic holy-man so I can be rid of all this sinfulness.

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>>136086548
Right here.

>>136086121

looks like a photo that some hippie artsy girl would take. onlye difference is that this is painted. but visually as pixels it doesnt make much difference. Dont you find it a bit boring and cliche?

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90% of the painters here couldn't even lace the boots of a true master, such as pic related

>>136086713
It's pretty hard to deny that Renaissance art is top tier.

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I saw this painting at an art museum owned by a JEW!!!!!!!!!!!

I liked it, I think it's neato.

>>136086180
Better fuck her quick, anon, she'll be dead before that boat reaches the next house down the river.

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>>136077316
>pablo picasso could draw classically at 12 years old better than most people can 50 years into their career
The fact is that most modern artist visionaries of the late 19th century and early 20th century were bord of conventional methods of expression

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>>136086837
No I like it and it gives me folklore vibes.

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>>136077316
>It can't be the jews
That's where you're wrong

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Yo, Picasso painted this when he was 15. So skill was not the issue

>>136087248
Posting man pubes on the internet. I am disappointed in you.
>>136087298
This painting kicks ass

>>136087434
That's ridiculous for 15. Good thing history remembers the genius savants.

>>136087248
The elbow is fucked up, no wonder he gave up and started painting nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlHVin56U2w

this documentary explains a bit of it around the middle

>>136087434

he must have had some mentor or parents that pushed him. mfw my parents didnt push me to work on my talents

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>>136077316
People fail to realize how prolific Picasso was, most art galleries in major cities have a genuine Picasso and there is a wide gamut of different types of paintings he did. His biggest meme was
>Muh cubist faces
He was constantly trying new things and pushing his own envelope. Picasso himself was a treasure. Thread can go fuck off.

>>136087448
>This painting kicks ass
It's an average Bob Ross

>>136087927
TFW not exceptional
TFW most of /pol/ doesn't know how to feel

>>136088511

pls do a comparrision right now side by side

>>136077316
wow, who would have thought that the inbreds of /pol/ wouldn't have the ability or intelligence to appreciate modern art.

>>136077413
Fpbp

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>>136088511
oh you...
kek

>>136088572
Read the thread faggot XD
Elucidate these "inbreds"

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You will find that one autistic leaf with some basic knowledge and some hot opinions on the subject has single-handedly made this thread excellent.

>>136088563
Look at the happy little grove to the right.
See those trees?
Let's add a little patch of sunlight
*scrape* *scrape* *scrape*
everybody needs a little patch of sunlight in their lies

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Note that all posts in this thread positive or negative feed my massive ego.

>>136077528
>>136077316

It was actually a response to Communism. CIA (or FBI, can't remember) used it as a tool to push propaganda.

The gist was Americans swung their cocks around producing garbage because they can, and that was supposed to be a jab at Communists who needed to produce tangible things.

It's in the documents on the American government website, showing CIA/FBI (can't remember) were funneling money to a few artists so they could produce this garbage.

tl;dr CIA/FBI used "look what i can do and u can't" for propaganda

Outside of that, the real debate is whether or not it was truly for propaganda or were they laundering money and used that as a cover

>>136084622
Best art I've seen on this thread.

Jackson Pollack was a CIA asset
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/10/17/unpopular-front

>>136077316
Shitty art is unironically a goal of (((communism)))

>>136080501
Dali is our guy. He did Surrealism and hated his post-modern hanger-ons. After 10 years of surrealism, he got into religious realism.

>>136080608
>Be Duschamp fanboi
>Visit /pol/
>Duschamp is degenerate

>>136077316
Yo this art sucks anus

>>136077316
WW1 happened. It changed the way people saw the world. Duh.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0n0Et8aI3s

>>136080608
Nigga also made this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tant_donn%C3%A9s

>>136077413
>>136077528

These. FPBP by a nose.

>>136078388
Everything else had already been painted?
Europe was so pretty, they wanted something you couldn't see out your window already?

>>136082925
When I learned in general what Postmodernism was the first thing that came to mind was the
David Byrne quote "Stop making sense"

Never did care for the talking heads

>>136077316
Understand Magritte and you will have a big piece of your answer.

>>136083005
>kinda dope
You spelled complete shit kinda wrong
Oh and its a pisser not a shitter.

>>136085982
Looks comfy tho

Where my Magritte and Chirico niggers at?

>>136086124
I spy a CUPPA KANGZ

>>136077413
Fpbp
>>136077528
Honorable mention

>>136077316
Death of realism and emergence of romanticism, that's your answer.

People were BORED TO DEATH of realism paintings and their 'artistic' values meant little. Why? Because with realism, art was more about "skill" than "creativity". Newer forms of art were a fresh breath of air for artists.

>>136080217
>art being in any way related to hard sciences
Wew lad, those are some pretty retarded opinions you have there.

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artfag here. Funny enough all the marxist fucks hate abstract expressionists for being macho white men.

If you want to really cringe at some art just look up things like "post modern art", or "relational aesthetics" and prepare your anus for the nonsense and Judaism.

>>136095568
And it also ment talentless hacks could get into art, hence the whole post modern movement.

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A pile of candy in the corner.

ART

>>136096144
You just don't get it is all.

>>136087434
>Picasso had to go Benjamin Button bc his autism
>every autist out there now that thinks they are next Picasso bc autism

>>136077316
War changed to the point where it began to break people.

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sipping some tea

ART

>>136095861
Not really, the death of realism was very profitable to art. Realism was less about art and more about skill. After the death of realism, impressionism sprung up and so did many other forms of arts that cared more about creativity than "skill" per se, such as expressionism, surrealism, cubism, etc. Anybody could look at a beautiful landscape and make art out of it with realism, but it took true creativity to create pieces of art that connected with the hearts and minds of people, such as what Dali, Monet, Cezanne, Renoir, Munch, etc produced.

Hitler and Stalin both only wanted realism in their countries, they produced little works of art with artistic values.

>>136096589
But those were just different modulations on realism, at least to me. You can't ask some idiot to pull off the inherent realism in an impressionistic or cubic painting.

Seems like what came after was worth doing, but like it never really recovered.

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>>136096589
>Hitler and Stalin both only wanted realism in their countries
Stalin yes, Hiter no. Hitler hated "degenerate art" which is basically everything after impressionism including it.

>>136096589
The votes are in:
Expressionism and Surrealism are top kek bc they mimic reality but also show glimmers of hope through the potential.
I believe this balance to be A R T

>>136097108
The biggest thing that art today is missing is the element of craft. It is not being taught enough. Really comes back to communists infiltrating art if you think about it. Something that is well crafted has high value. Higher value then something less immaculate. So like any marx commie jew would do they want to tear it down.

>>136085470
Interesting theory. I've never heard it posed before, although I somehow wouldn't be surprised if it isn't too uncommon an idea in Italy.

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>>136097734

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>>136097794

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>>136077316
It really started with Cezanne messing with the traditional approach to representing perspective in the latter half of the 19th century.

Cezanne broke up and generally messed with perspective in a low-key but very strange way.

Picasso was a virtuoso. At some point in his 20s, circa 1907, he started taking some cues from Cezanne, and combining it with the strangeness (non-realism) of the representation of bodies and forms seen in African art, including masks and sculpture.

Picasso developed in this vein from circa 1907 - 1915, his cubist period. He created some gorgeous stuff, along with Braque, a French artist with whom Picasso was artistically linked during this critical period. Pic related is from 1913.

Picasso's prestige and success opened the door for the spread of this new approach. Other artists jumped on it and developed it along their own lines, notably the futurists, and later the surrealists.

Most of the formal advances in cubism had developed *before* WWI.

After WWI, Picasso loosened up and played with a lot of different forms -- being a protean artist of truly prodigious talent.

Until in the 30s he was producing work of the kind seen in OP pic. When you see a strange pic like this, think of meme that's been evolving and developing for a year or more, until the point it may have gotten quite strange. Don't take pics like OP pic *too* seriously -- Picasso is having fun with this stuff. It's fun and serious both.

Meanwhile, the surrealists, and other cliques, were breaking the mold in their own way in the 1920s.

The new approach was popular and prestigious. Many new artists jumped on the bandwagon.

And so on and so forth. There are some Jewish connections along the way, but really the driving force for these developments was the genius of Picasso.

>>136086121
>2017
>still enjoying photo-realistic paintings

also saying "prove me wrong" when talking about a subjective matter

you're probably the kind of fuck who thinks that art should be judged by how hard it was to create it

>>136099301
It's a meme you fucking newfag.

>>136099301
>a subjective matter
Art is not subjective. There are some paintings that are objectively better than others.

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>>136098588
PS: I've never gotten quite clear on this, but some form of drug use may have played a role, too. Eg, absinthe, and I'm not sure what else. The way I imagine it, you have virtuoso like Picasso, he has a natural sublime talent and eye (see, e.g.: >>136087434). Now, what if he gets a little high on whatever, and starts really studying Cezanne's stuff with its odd distortions of perspective (pic related), meanwhile also looking deep into African art, paintings, masks and sculpture. And the guy's a genius and a workaholic, and he eventually comes up with Les D'emoiselles d'avignon, his famous 1907 painting. Maybe an assist from some drug or other, maybe not, I'm not sure. But it's a mildly interesting sub-question.

>>136099403
I am indeed new. Also, by "meme" do you just mean some shitty bait? Bait or not, this is /pol/ so I'm definitely expecting some people who actually think realistic paintings are inherently superior to anything else.

>>136099550
Ehhh, you'd be surprised. A consensus of the majority doesn't mean it's objective.

Or at least, art is subjective once it reaches some kind of quality threshold.

>>136077316
modern art isnt bad, its postmodern art that's the problem. modern art can at least be critiqued and analyzed, postmodernism has it ingrained in the philosophy that it's valid no matter what.

>>136100512
memes are postmodern art

>>136087434
A couple of things always blew me away about this picture.

Picasso paints the embroidered flowers on the carpet, but then has "real" flowers fall on top of the embroidered flowers (of course, both the "real" flowers and the embroidered flowers are painted flowers on a flat canvas) (it's a little bit hard to see the effect in this reproduction). It's a rather bold, rather playful gesture that seems to prefigure some of Picasso's later developments and preoccupations as a painter.

I've also been struck by the virtuosic use of white on white painting, in the first Communion gown, in particular. There's nothing over done about it, but it's such a technical achievement, I can't help but think that Picasso is maybe showing off a little.

A third detail that has always intrigued me is the slightly off-angle of the main bar of the prie-dieu the girl is kneeling on. That somehow prefigures in my mind Picasso's fascination with strong, slightly off-kilter in his cubist period, in particular.

>>136077413
Correct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF3PrOjyUos

It's The Jews.

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>>136077316
Come home, white culture.

>>136077316
It indeed is the Jews. It's always them

>>136096144


Stuff like this only makes sense when you see it in person. I saw one that was all green apple jolly ranchers. You were supposed to take a piece, and over time patterns would emerge. Just being in the presence of it was a total different experience, pictures are not an acceptable way to capture

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>>136077316
It clearly is the Jews.

Denying this is a Jewish tactic.

>>136077316
Money-laundering. Artistry attempts a subversion of expectations, either by simplifying or making more complex. Natural evolution of the world, baby.

Also jews communism kant cameras hitler calculus niggers picasso science fiction nordbro etc

>>136090072
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_Exhibition

Please stop giving commies trait they do not have.

>>136086121
Picasso could do this shit when he was 10 years old, he got more abstract to keep art interesting to him.

>>136081188
ive seen this one in person at the Scottish Royal Museum in Glasgow
truly beautiful work. Dali was one of the great sons of Spain, like Jerry Garcia

>>136077316

This is actually one of those few cases where it was literally the jews. Look at the names of all modern artists.

Also, modern "art" is a way of laundering money and evading taxes. Instead of trading in something trackable, go on a cruise and spend lots of money on "art".

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>>136095568
>Realism was less about art and more about skill.
>Because with realism, art was more about "skill" than "creativity".

You just parroting bullshit art professors spew at colleges to make you and themselves feel good.
"I would never hope to create something like that, so I just pretend that it is just meaningless copying of reality." - this is basically what they mean.

Realism was about both skill and creativity. If you look at painting and see only what appears to be carefully copied photo, you are stupid, lazy or deliberately trying not to see more.

>>136105369
>that it is just meaningless copying of reality

That is realism buddy.