Why does /pol/ pretend that socialism doesn't work when

>>136072321
>Are still around

Like all the African countries that were made in the 20th century?

Go suck Hitler's dick you fucking kraut.

>>136072321
DPRK exists because it has nukes; I can't speak for Cuba.

>>136072609
>Like all the African countries that were made in the 20th century?
lmao, seriously kiddo? Those countries had over dozens of regime changes and are pretty much failed states.
>>136072673
>hitler was a socialist
burger education, everybody. Anyway, putting commie flag on for clarity

>>136073197
But are still around...

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>>136073905
I should have been clearer then. "Arround and not internally dysfunctional". African failed states exist only but on the map, African societies are deeply tribal, and often you see ethnic conflicts in Africa masked as political conflicts. It's a mess. Guess who did an amazing job fixing Africa before fascists paid by France killed him? A socialist, Thomas Sankara.

>>136072321
But that's not real communism. Funny how socialists only claim it's communism when there's something good about it.

>>136072321

> Korea lost half their country and cant recapture it for 60+ years loser. fags

>>136072321
> cuba lost guantanamo bay and cant recapture ITS OWN BAY for 60+ years. how the fuck are these fag countries successful?

One thing that commies forget to ask themselves, is if the countries that are closer to communism/socialism improved their standard of living by implementing more socialist policies, or by implementing capitalist policies.

Almost every time you see a country doing well, even if you call them socialist, they improved by becoming less socialist and more capitalist.

>>136072321
Are you thinking of moving to Venezuela too?

>Lose my virginities, loose women help

>>136072321
>are still arround
Wow such achieve very impress

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>>136072321
>existing while your citizens eat their pets & can't afford toilet paper is the same as being a prosperous nation with a successful economy

WEW. Ask the Venezuelans how well all that socialism is working out for them. Or the North Koreans how all that freedom feels. I'll wait.

Fuck off, you disgusting Russian rape baby kike. Gas yourself.

>>136072321
>being still around
That's a pretty low standard.

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>>136075618
I'm a Marxist-Leninist. It is real socialism.
>>136075788
Their infrastructure got bombed to shit and the USA besieges them since ever.
>>136075867
Oh so you are underage.
>>136075878
>Almost every time you see a country doing well, even if you call them socialist, they improved by becoming less socialist and more capitalist
Untrue. USSR had an unprecedented rise in living standard under Stalin after WW II which destroyed half the country. So did every socialist country, Mao also achieve a massive rise in living standards. It's revisionist policies (giving managers of firms more freedoms) that lead to debt, corruption and shortages.
>>136075904
Now there is a case where it really isn't socialism. Venezuela has 2/3rd of their industry in private hands. Venezuela was an attempted populist social democracy that overly relied on oil and refused to diversify its economy - you know, something that Marxist-Leninist countries ALWAYS do.

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>>136077312
>Now there is a case where it really isn't socialism.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. #notrealsocialismwhenitgoeswrong

>>136072321
so by this logic an 80 year old homeless person is successful. i can't wait to tell those old successful bums to fuck off.

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>>136077196
>talk about DPRK and Cuba
>strawmans me with Venezuela
Unhealthy obsession with that country, buddy. Stop watching Molyneux videos.
>MUH FREEDUMZ
You can't hide the fact you are a burger. The alphabet soups know more about you whenever you purchase something off Amazon than the North Korean secret police ever will.

>>136077312
>Untrue. USSR had an unprecedented rise in living standard under Stalin after WW II

Those are fucking lies, stalin create a police state of terror that killed almos one third of their entired population closing russian doors to everysingle other country so those statics are bullshit and make up

You just lose all your points saying "Stalin rose living standars"

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>>136077645
Unlike in burgerland, homelessness is unknown in Cuba and North Korea. You BTFO'ed yourself.
>>136077587
So wait, privately owned industry is socialism now? Even the fucking Wikipedia defintion disagrees with you.

>>136077312

>Untrue. USSR had an unprecedented rise in living standard under Stalin after WW II which destroyed half the country. So did every socialist country, Mao also achieve a massive rise in living standards. It's revisionist policies (giving managers of firms more freedoms) that lead to debt, corruption and shortages.

They were able to do it for a incredibly short time only.

Any commie can increase government spending and improve the country for a while. But it doesn't come for free. after spending so much money inflation comes and the supposed miracle gets debunked. It's nothing but a pyramid scheme.

>>136077312
Forgot communism was your trigger word. Can't wait for you to take power and try your pure, infallible form of socialism only to have it fail and then have your successors claim that it wasn't real Marxism or Leninism or socialism or whatever you thieves and murderers disguise it as. You know it was Stalin who coined the term Marxism Leninism, right?

>>136074313
I appreciate commies like you who don't use cheap tactics when trying to debate. Bringing up Thomas Sankara is a smart move. I'd be cool with socialist Africa. It'd be perfect. Abundant gibs for niggers in their homeland. They'd never have a reason to leave. We could have a global NatSoc paradise and send the undesirables to permanent summer camp in Socialist Africa.

But you're wrong about socialism/communism on every other continent, unfortunately.

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>>136077658
>MUH FREEDUMZ

Actually enjoying the freedom to access the world wide web is something i'm glad i have. Sorry if that rustles your jimmies, Jew rape baby. Not everyone wants to live in a world where you are completely cut off from other civilizations and endless amounts of information. But you filthy rat kikes would love nothing more than to keep us all in shackles slaving away for your degenerate destructive ideologies which are in reality serve the exact same purpose as unbridled capitalism. When will you faggots realize you are just the other side of the same Jewish coin.

>>136072321
DPRK has such a big famine problem that people don't grow taller than 5 feet from malnutrition. But since they are still around, must be great.

>>136077893
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606365/Cuba-Pope-visit-homeless-social-cleansing-communist-government-Commission-Human-Rights/amp

I'd rather be homeless in Burgerland than a slave to a socialist regime.

>>136078073
>It's nothing but a pyramid scheme
That's literally fascism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills
Socialist economic systems don't have accumulaton and reinvestment cycles. It is not a capitalist economic system. Show me where the great debt crisis is in Cuba or North Korea. It's is fucking funny, capitalism continues to crash since two centuries based on debt crisis yet you think socialism suffers from captialist boom and bust cycles?
>>136078074
Communism is a stage of history, not an economic system. Socialism is the transition to communism. I'm just using correct terminology. I know it was Stalin. So what? Stalin did nothing wrong and was a faithful successor of Lenin.
>>136078160
Well considering that socialism still somehow managed to lift supposedly brown and yellow people out of their miserable living standards it is probably going to be a blast for white people then, right? Marx was wrong about a revolution in the first world though. Imperialism and Social Democracy pacified the workers in the developed countries.

>>136072909
Cuba had fucking nukes in the same way Turkey had nukes. That's why.

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>>136077893

>tfw your shit-tier ideology gets permanently BTFO by fresh produce that isn't potatoes

>>136078404
>shills for lolbert shit
>fascist flag
kek
>>136078463
I admit that, this was in the 90s. I literally adress this in my OP, imports of fertilizers and pesticides from the USSR stopped after 1991, and North Korea is not exactly very fertile land and remember, they can't trade with anybody. What do you think happens to Luxembourg when you cut down all the food imports? Still, they have overcome that, and the next generation probably won't have the issue of malnutrition.

>>136079023
>yeltsin
Are you trolling? Yeltsins laissze fair market capitalism was a fucking diseaster.

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>>136074313
>Thomas Sankara

"government eschewing all foreign aid, pushing for odious debt reduction, nationalising all land and mineral wealth and averting the power and influence of the International Monetary Fund (((IMF))) and (((World Bank)))."

/ournigger/

REDDIT GET OUT!!!!!! You are a bluepilled cuck who swallows the Lugenpresse's cum if you think Kim Jung Un is an (((evil dictator))). Kim will fuck your bitch any day of the week, no doubt about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZu1-4fZOck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGfTguMf8NY
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>>136079783
Accumulated links:
https://www.rhizzone.net/articles/songbullshit/

https://www.liberationnews.org/my-trip-to-north-korea-13-misconceptions-corrected/

https://vngiapaganda.wordpress.com/pro-dprk-propaganda/

American Think Tank (so it can't be accused of propaganda) with sometimes good insight into North Korea:
http://www.38north.org/

Take the Juche pill

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>>136079332
>shills for lolbert shit

WEW
>implying fascism means no access to internet
>doesn't realize fascism was created by Mussolini who was a radical socialist, but realized socialism & Marxism were fucking retarded so created his own ideology designed to help the common man
>shills for Jewish control of the Earth while complaining about one of the few ideologies designed to protect people from Shekelsteinrothsberg

kys or gtfo newfag

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North Korea is a national socialist ethnostate.

>>136072321
Both countries are shitholes worse than their non-commie counterparts.

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REDPILLS FOR NEWFAGS

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>>136077587
This fucking gif always slays me

>>136080375
>EU
>defending totalitarian gommunism
Really makes you htink

>>136080516
90s as fuck.

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>>136080169
Haiti is definetly worse than Cuba. South Korea? Didn't get its entire industry bombed to shreds and still managed to get outcompeted by the Norks in the 60s and 70s only until they get propped up by billions of burgerbux and implemented a state run economy with literal 5 year plans.

>>136080066
There is Internet access in Cuba. In North Korea, they have their own intranet and recently started distributing their own brand of smartphones.
>jews
Literally no Jews in Cuba or North Korea whatsoever

>>136080588
See >>136079783
North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world, an can only trade with China. Still, their country has a standard of living on par with yours.

>>136079429

Russian capitalism wasn't done right.
Problem: Russians are brainless to manage a country on their own. USSR was only moderately successful because of a large Jewish intelligentsia.

>>136080718
>Haiti is definitely worse than Cuba
That's because Haiti is full of niggers

explain Venezuela, g*rman. I want to laugh at you.

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>>136077312
>Now there is a case where it really isn't socialism.

You people are fucking delusional, lmao

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>>136080718
>Doesn't know the difference between Internet and intranet
>Doesn't question why he's never seen a single Cuban poster on 4chan other than the occasional tourist once per year posting on a smartphone

You're not the smartest lightbulb in the crayon box, are you kiddo?

>>136080718
Cuba used to be one of the best Latin American country, now it only competes with centracas. There's Cuban diaspora living in most LA countries, yet no one wants to emigrate to Cuba.

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>>136072321
>Cuba

You mean, the nation where the average age of an automobile is 60 years and people can't even get proper eyeglasses to be able to read because they're so fucked?

>DPRK

I won't even dignify that retarded statement with a snarky answer, it's so fucking stupid.

>>136081072
So after your logic Somalia is a good example why capitalism doesn't work. Right? You can't say "not real capitalism" now.
>>136081167
>basing my entire worldview on the fact whether or not I have access to the internet
>fucking 4chan being in any way representative
Leave your basement once in a while.

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Alpha as fuck.

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>>136072321
>Still around
>Population is literally starving

You're a special kind of stupid nigger aren't you?

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>>136081204
Wrong. There are even American students who study there because they can't afford it in the US and Cuba has one of the best medical systems in the world. Also, those diaspora Cubans are getting gibsmedat as fuck from the US which usually treats immigrants like shit solely for political reasons.
>>136081308
Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the US, try again.
>I won't even dignify that retarded statement with a snarky answer, it's so fucking stupid
So you don't actually have any arguments against what I said.

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>>136081308
Oh just wait, he spent all his time talking about how great it was before, but now that you pointed out how bad it is he'll come back with "It's not real socialism".

lmao you can't make this shit up. The goal posts never stop shifting.

>>136081582
Oh you're right. I guess i should just bring up the concentration camps, how no one has access to decent food or healthcare, everyone lives in squalor except for the party members, etc... But no, if i do, then it's "not real socialism".

>>136081925
>Population is literally starving
Not true. There used to be a shortage in the 90s for obvious reasons which I stated already (ardeous march) but not anymore. Fox News bullshit.

>>136081931
Cubans are the most successful Hispanic group in the US, try again shill. Not even Brazillian commies want to go to Cuban hospitals, kek.

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>>136081944
Except I didn't do that. Also, it was you who kept shifting the goalpost. You are absolutely dishonest and Mussolini would have hated you.
>HURR DURR CONCENTRATION CAMPS
I'm not gonna make any more comments on the fact that you literally post with a fascist flag but I'd like to see those alleged concentration camps. USA has more people in prisons than the DPRK right now, and penal labor exists in most countries. But once there is penal labor in a socialist country, it's suddenly a concentration camp? Just admit you are a liberal at this point dude.

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>>136082113
Nominal GDP: $25 billion
Per capita: $1000
That's actually starving. Why are you communist shills so fucking retarded?

>>136082506
>Believes what the (((mainstream media))) says about North Korea.
Let me guess, you don't think the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag either? North Korea is national socialism.

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>>136082420
Yeah no shit the way the US pampered them.
>Not even Brazillian commies want to go to Cuban hospitals, kek
Tell me Ronaldo, don't have Brazilian hospitals this thing where you pay upfront otherwise you get fucked? You country literally imports Cuban doctors from Cuba because it is unable to provide them with medical care:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2015/06/08/cubas-most-valuable-export-its-healthcare-expertise/#6bd43275195e
Also:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/30/cuba-first-eliminate-mother-baby-hiv-transmission
Yeah sure sounds like bad quality healthcare to me, lmao

>>136080938
Lol, competed against the most powerful empire on earth while having a major material and population disadvantage.
Continues to BTFO America at every turn after major political and economic turmoil and a complete turning of the system.

Largest nation on earth.

Tell me again how they're incompetent. (Reminder, burger, that the state of your dragon's tail empire is largely due to underestimating your enemies.)

>>136072321
all those empty office buildings

>>136082730
Remember to archive
>https://forbes com/sites/billfrist/2015/06/08/cubas-most-valuable-export-its-healthcare-expertise/#6bd43275195e
https://archive.is/WGiJU
>https://theguardian com/society/2015/jun/30/cuba-first-eliminate-mother-baby-hiv-transmission
https://archive.is/bAhXY

>>136082798
Thank you.

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>>136082761
At least its not full of disgusting advertising and shit.
>>136082798
S-Sorry

>>136082730
>Tell me Ronaldo, don't have Brazilian hospitals this thing where you pay upfront otherwise you get fucked
No, you're clueless. Cuban hospitals look like dilapidated crackhouses and that doctors deal was a money laundering scam. I used to work at a federal court and tens of such doctors applied for asylum in Brazil.

Anyways, I don't feel like discussing with leftypol trolls, have a good night.

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>>136083564
>Anyways, I don't feel like discussing with leftypol trolls, have a good night
So you got extremly buttflustered once I stated the fact that your country literally needs to import doctors from commieland to provide healthcare to people. Shouldn't have brought up the topic then, out of all things you could critisize about Cuba you literally brought up their strongest suit out of everything - not a good debate tactic.

>>136072321
North Korea is known to have a canabilism problem due to lack of food. Cuba doesn't have an economy for consumer goods, such as cars for example. You would consider these successes? Fire up the helicopter boys.

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>>136083941
>North Korea is known to have a canabilism problem due to lack of food
Now where did you get those horror stories from? Post proofs billy.
>muh sports cars
Obviously since no car corporation actually exports stuff into Cuba. I can't speak for Cuba but the USSR for example could have had amazing sportscars (they were a spacefaring nation) if they wanted to. They just decided not to do it and use resources in different ways. In socialism, commodified status symbols like cars and watches become obsolute because it is more of a meritocracy where scientists, poets, artists and philosophers are revered and not decadent chads who drive arround in daddys Mercedes. It's an economy with production for use - not for exchange, which is the case in capitalism.

>>136072321
Cuba sux dik

HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_QnE9-iK80

>>136079429
>Decades of gommunism
>Suddenly adopt fullblown capitalism

Should have converted it slowly, of course it caused total chaos.

Any way KYS commie faggot.

>>136082730
we didn't import those ""doctors"", the socialist government did (amid protests from the entire country). It was revealed later that many of them were officials from Cuban military. Gee, thats strange, right? Why a socialist government at its peak would bring military from other countries and send them to regions controlled by the MST paramilitary group?

>>136072321

It's true, extremely centralized authoritarian governments, led by an aristocracy that regards the populace as their slaves or livestock and maintain their power through fear and cult-of-personality are quite stable. However, most of us aren't landed gentry, likely to obtain such positions of luxury and unaccountably, but rather occupy a position in the slave class.

In short, it doesn't "work", not because it is unstable, but because most people would prefer not to be slaves.

If that isn't clear to you, try knocking your brain loose with a hammer, and think it through again.

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>>136084743
>Should have converted it slowly, of course it caused total chaos.
It did, since 1956 when Krushchev denounced Stalin. Capitalism is just general shit.
>>136084764
Wait, are you claiming Rousseff was a socialist? topkek
>>136084785
>It's true, extremely centralized authoritarian governments, led by an aristocracy that regards the populace as their slaves or livestock and maintain their power through fear and cult-of-personality are quite stable
I don't like the US and Clinton as well.

>>136084407
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269094/North-Korean-parents-eat-children-driven-mad-hunger-famine-hit-pariah-state.html
First result from a quick google search.
>2017 and we still can't search for what should be common knowledge on the internet

Who needs cars, right? Or watches. Those things are useless. Clothes? Phhhht. It's warm down in Cuba, they'll be fine. Public transit? Nah. People should learn to enjoy where they are. Why have nice things when we can focus on science and art instead!?
Name one world famous Cuban scientist. I'll make it easy for you and accept an artist instead. What about Cuban public works? Any great architecture or culture coming out of Cuba these days? What about science? They got a space program nobody told me about?

>>136080130
Wow, so NK is basically everything to which /pol/ aspires. WTF I hate /pol/ now.

>>136085193
yes, she was a former Guerrilla, owner of a trash store and Lula's puppet. But she was also a dumbass.

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>>136085302
Lemme check the sources in this article quickly
>South Korean state-run Korean Institute for National Unification
literally "Kim fed his uncle to feral dogs" tier.
>Who needs cars, right? Or watches. Those things are useless
They have cars and watches. It is a difference whether a consumer good is a basic necessity or a status symbol. The latter is caused by capitalist commodity fetishism.
>Why have nice things when we can focus on science and art instead!?
Cuba is a fucking small country which isn't as debeloped as Switzerland for example. Let's make it a fair game, name famous artists and scientists from Haiti and the Dominican Republic! The USSR had plenty of inventors, scientists and artists. Tarkowksy movies are one of my favourites and Shostakovich is my favourite composer.

>>136085925
Maybe. But she didn't implement anything particulary socialist so it is rather bold to claim that Brazil was socialistic under her rule.

>>136085193
>since 1956
It was during the Perestroika reform that there where "market-esque" systems build.
And that was during the 80s.
Until then nothing near similar to capitalism in the USSR.

>Capitalism is just general shit.
I rather take this shitty capitalism than your meme ideology.

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>>136086322
>It was during the Perestroika reform that there where "market-esque" systems build
Wrong, Krushchevs reforms abolished quotas on enterprises and gave managers economic freedoms which made them proti-capitalist. The USSR between the 1956 and 1989 was leaning more and more towards some degenerated from of market socialism instead of Marxism-Leninism. Market forces appear whenever there is production for exchange which leads to commodity production, whether they operate in hiding or openly.
>I rather take this shitty capitalism than your meme ideology
I bet a supporter of feudalims in the end of the 18th century would have said the same when some people advocated for capitalism and democracy.

>>136080773
>on par with your living conditions

Sure except yknow, the whole food thing.

>>136086930
We had it during the 15th century called mercantilisme.
Even defeated France under the Burgundian.
To convert to this system and abolished serfdom.

It ushered in a golden age.

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>>136087245
Did you know that breadlines where invented in the US?

>>136086930
Good point, if those protocapitalist moves were never made the Union wouldnt have collapsed in the 90s.

>>136072321
Why do communists pretend that capitalism doesn't work when the whole fucking world BUT Cuba and DPRK are still around after centuries of continuous growth and improvement of the standard of living?

>>136086319
the Brazilian state is socialist - it is based on socialist values, has lots and lots of bureaucracy and has socialist institutions all over the place. Saying it was or was not socialist at a given moment is invalid
Dilma promoted socialism heavily. She went from trying to indoctrinate kids on homosexuality to force affirmative action on universities and public enterprises. On economy, she increased taxes on imports, gave power to the central bank so it would have a bigger influence over the economy, lent money to allied businessmen via BNDES and her minister Guido Mantega tried to take steps towards nationalization, plus he released false data about key elements like inflation. Now the economy is crumbling, not like Venezuela because of the opposition and the fact that our institutions are solid, but crumbling nonetheless.

>>136087403
>famine was invented
>in 1930

Easy there retard.

>>136072321
lol I visited Cuba on a trip for school in 12th grade, it's a fucking shit hole. All of our tour guides had a script to read from where they had to praise Castro. People lived in houses made of dirt with no doors on them. Gangs own all of the big hotels in Havana.

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>>136087365
Mercantilism is the transitional stage from feudalism to capitalism, but it isn't fully capitalistic as yet. Capitalism is defined by private ownership of the means of production and wage labor.
>It ushered in a golden age
We Marxist analyze that capitalism is definetely and improvement from feudalism but do has its own contradictions, such as monopolization and falling rate of profit. Yet in this golden age child labor and the social question were massive problems which eventually gave birth to the labor movement. Unemployment and all that didn't exist before, you know. But in any case, what can you do to revive 19th century capitalism again? You'd have to literally break up all the trusts and oligopols and try to rest global capitalism. Good luck with that. Those times won't come back.

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democrats are wrong about everything

if we had kept monarchy in 1800s to now we be 400x as rich

if we kept capitalism of 1800s usa which ended slavery and child labor, 100,000x as rich

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>>136087756
Dude, homosexuality and and high taxes aren't socialism. Literally consult a dictionary. Socialism = collective worker ownership over the means of production. This isn't "not real socialism" it is the commonly accepted definition which is different from - what you just described - a regular social democracy.

>>136072321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-XS4aueDUg
yeah cuba looks like a great place to live in

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I'm going to call it a night. Hope some people may reconsider their view about what socialism is and don't get their info from alt-right youtube channels. Remember always to be critical about what the mainstream media puts out if you want to be truly politically incorrect.

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>>136072321
Pyongyang only
North Korea people want the end of their government

>>136078970
Aaaah but that's the kicker isn't it, it elevates non-whites and oppresses whites. I don't think whites even need communism desu, their countries are well-developed enough as is. And it always collapses and makes way for (((them))) to install their central banks.

>>136088886
>North Korean people want the end of their government
Ah, just let me respond to this very quickly:
http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/how-popular-is-kim-jong-un/
Kim Jon Un has higher approval rating amongst North Korean defectors (!!!) than western head of states

>>136072321
The are completely isolated, it doesnt count.

>>136088782
Weird.

If a communist tells you to be politically incorrect, is whatever he wants you to become still politically correct?

Friendly reminder polcor is a communist social mechanic.

>>136088233
oh we have those "collective worker ownership over the means of production", they are called "cooperativas", literally from cooperation of the workers. 60% of them are used to mask violations of the labor law 30% are made by wealthy farmers as a legal sort of cartel, and the few remaining doesn't give wealth to the workers.

As for your point, the State apparatus has grown a lot over the past years, and it supposedly is 'public', as to mean 'the workers have the control'. Which is a lie ofc.

>>136089152
>According to surveys conducted by the North Korean government, the NK government is the most POWERFUL and PROSPEROUS political entity in modern history. Glory to the great leader!

>>136088782
Any system that thinks that the state is the best organism to control the economy.

Should really reconsider its believe.

>>136088782
commnuism is for shitheads
now fuck off

>>136080938
>capitalism werks
>oh, but only in this few cases that I pick! commies BTFO!
Holy shit, why are all the pseudo-capitalists (that applaud every literally communist policy like QE and command economies) always this retarded?
>>136084743
Communism never really existed in the USSR, it barely became state capitalism that actually was an oligrachy, just like present day Russia is
>>136080130
This is what a lot of people don't get about DPRK
They aren't communist, they're Juche
>>136080944
Cuba is full of niggers too, and their (((whites))) were """"exiled"""" after Castro took over
>>136081204
Cuba has the highest HDI of the Caribbean, isn't a debt ridden shithole like Costa Rica, and outperforms most LA countries in most metrics
It outperforms the fuck out of the US in healthcare metrics
>>136082506
>believes everything it's equally expensive in the DPRK to the US
wew
>>136082798
Thanks based norbro
>>136085302
>dailymail citing literal propaganda entities
top tier sources senpai
>>136089531
If you had at least read the source you would know that they're quoting western institutes literally funded by South Korea, not the DPRK
Keep that reddit tier arguing though, dumb burger

democracy is commnuism
crony communism is socialism
20th century huge fail
21st needs to be free market and massively cut government spending

>>136072321

They are funded by charities and international aid groups. The only thing keeping communism around is capitalism.

>>136093364
They literally aren't, specially DPRK with all the sanctions imposed
You could at least say something credible like pretending their entire economy runs on money laundering and drugs

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>>136072321
Before and after Castro.

Successful failure is still a success I guess.

You should go there.

>>136093535
>Literally lying to make communism sound better

https://food-aid.org/cuba-receives-57024-meals-from-food-aid-international.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-humanitarian-aid-goes-to-north-korea/3692811.html

>>136093657
>1 million in food aid
>guise this 1 million powers the 25 billion NK GDP's! everything else is lies!
Keep lying kike leaf

>>136093814
>Communism is working
>Yet is requires billions of dollars in aid from the UN and United States in order to prevent people from starving to death.
Sounds wonderful.

>>136072321
Lots of foreign aid. Look it up.

>>136072321
You're going to use two of the most horrible countries on earth as examples of socialism working?
I take it you're larping as a commie in order to discredit them.

>>136093560
Anyone can cherrypick senpai
>>136093657
>58k meals totally feeds 11 million persons!
>>136094030
>billions of dollars
>just 1 million
wew, keep lying more dumb kike
It's 1.3 billion, not even billions, over a span of 13 years which covered most of the post-USSR dissolution period that destroyed every country that wasn't aligned to Israel, I mean US interests
Even South Korea propaganda centers like the Institute of Peace and Unification Studies are barely positive about DPRK, and profit oriented SK entities like Hyundai are quite positive about them
Keep swallowing that kike propaganda from 2009 though

>>136072321
Pic related is the national equivalent of a myspace angle.

capitalism in 1800s made usa no1

usa should go back to 1800s level of government spending and regulation

hek it ended slavery

>>136072321
Western humanitarian aid

>>136077893
my point was that you set the bar pretty low for success.

>>136095807
What?
USA didn't come anywhere close to number 1 until WW1, and that was because of the economic boost from war mobilization, not capitalism.

>>136072321
Fake city. Fake. Fake. Fakety Fake Fake.

>look at all this facade
Is this what a German defines as development? Had Hitler won, would the grand design of his envisioned capital have also been such a farcical facade?