Non-bait gun control thread. If we want to reduce gun crime,

Why? Because fuck you, faggot. I like my guns. I like the Second Amendment.

The overwhelmingly majority of people harmed by violence in America are minorities which is to say I don't give a single fuck.

>>136052053
>Non-bait
>gun control thread
Pick one.

>>136052053
OP is the biggest faggot alive.

>>136052189
They all ready tried this shit in Chicago and you know what shit did not work. Crime went down once people were allowed to carry their own handguns.

>>136052241
seems to be a common bait thread, figured a goid faith attemp couldnt hurt

>>136052336
i bet this is the guy posting 'gun owners are bigots' threads.

>>136052053
With that image surely this should be a thread full of love for based Texas

>>136052053
So say they ban handguns overnight, what happens?
Homicides stay the same. You know why? Jamal won't give a shit about your new law.
We gave lots of handgun crime here and the law tells me my cz75 doesn't leave my home unless it's on a direct path to the range or gunsmith.

So how do we have crime with laws like that op?

Because why the fuck would criminals hand in their guns?

And even if we did manage to magically get rid of all guns, we'd just be regressing to a society where the big and strong can do whatever they want with no consequences.
6'7" Jamal doesn't need a gun to rape 5'3" Stephanie.

>>136052189
nice edge there. you're paying for all that black ER care so, y'know, fuck off. Everywone is better off when half the country isnt a bullethole ridden ghetto.

>>136052402
ty, a serious reply. i guess the problem is that one city isnt a big enough area, obviously pistols arent going to disappear overnight. i'd consider it a good data point though, if not a damning one.

anything positive, ie a good reason to own a pistol?

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>>136052053
SHALL NOT INFRINGE

>>136052053
Ok I'll bite. Putting aside 2nd amendment issues, it's because concealability goes both ways. Defenders need to conceal their own weapons for a number of reasons as well. Not all encounters occur in homes

>>136053012
Because I'm not strong enough to fend off a mugger or a rapist with my fists.

>>136052053
>Ban pistols
>all other forms of murder go up

Wow you're a genius. It's almost like we don't have a gun problem but a minority problem.

>>136053012
>you're paying for all that black ER care so, y'know, fuck off.
So we give up a right and cripple our ability to defend ourselves because a bunch of stupid niggers kill each other? Instead of the obvious solution which is getting rid of or otherwise dispossessing niggers?

Nah, fuck off, leaf.

>>136052053
God damn I love Texas.

Also fuck you leaf you faggot cuck shill. Go prep your chinks landlord for tonight's session with ur girl

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>>136052053
>tfw proud to be Texan
Where the rest of ya'll at?

>>136052053
Why not ban black people instead?

>>136052855
>>136052896
Nothing happens overnight. Slowly pistol supply diminishes, faster with cash4gunz programs. Pistols never dissapear entirely but get priced out of tge range of the kind of trash that use them for muggings and street volence. Dumb people commit crimes with knives and their fists instead, which are much less lethal.

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>>136053471
>Jesus Flores
>Anon says ban blacks
Checks out.

>>136053587
How many gun crimes are involving black people?

SHALL

Niggers will never follow a gun ban. Look at Chicago. Start enforcing current gun laws and locking up the criminals instead of treating them as victims. Time to build ultra mega prisons and lock up every single nigger criminal.

>>136052053
Based. Feminists should be all over deadly self-defense for rape, but they'll probably be against this.

>>136053868
NOT

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>>136053723
Oh I'm not against banning niggers; I just thought it was funny that the go to response is ban niggers even when it's a spic.

>>136054023
BE

>>136053184
Dont people mostly use mace for this even where concealed carry is legal? This is a good argument though, i respect guns for being the great equalizer. Not 100% convinced though, a pistol wont save you in a wide variety of scenarios and a 50% higher chance of your assailant not having a gun might serve you better.

>>136052053


U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 241
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
US Code
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

>>136052053
You lost, all gun threads are bait threads. Trump is expanding concealed carry nation wide, and giving people nation wide stand your ground. Its over, forever. Shoot to kill policy on coons.

>>136052053

Fun fact: they already tried that.

Originally FDR wanted to see all handguns banned with the National Firearms Act, but they were unable to get that done, so that's why we have SBR laws today. They couldn't ban pistols outright, so they targeted short rifles and shotguns.

Suggesting that pistols be banned is promoting socialism, and socialists should be lined up and dispatched by a firing squad.

>>136054137
Mace is a fucking joke and anyone who trusts it to stop an attacker is retarded. If you're threatened enough to mace someone, and you have time to pull mace out of your purse, then you'd be better off shooting them or running.

>>136054236
ty, will have to look up the details.

I'm not a gun grabber btw, just open to having the discussion so long as the spirit of yhe 2nd amendment is intact.(chilling effect on tyrants IMO) And the current state if the debate ("asssult weapons") is pants-shittingly retarded.

>>136052053
Do what you want in Canada. Pushing any further on gun control in america will lead to, at the very least, politicians getting recalled. At most, a full on revolt where gun grabbers get dragged into the street and shot.

Don't. Fuck. With. Our. Guns.

As a matter of fact I'd like to see silencers and full auto weapons de regulated. Semis are more lethal than full autos anyway. Precision fire>spray and pray all day.

>>136052053
Based dad!

>>136054023
BE

>>136053564
>get priced out of tge range of the kind of trash that use them for muggings and street volence.

They don't buy them.

>>136052053
No gun bans at all.
Ban niggers to reduce gun crime.
Fucking die leaf.

>>136054492
Need to make it stronger then. In milkbagville we have bearmace and it'll fuck you up, pure capascin is no joke.
Not to be pedantic, but wouldn't you need to pull your gun out of your purse too? Or alternatively have a quickdraw mace holster?

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols?

>implying the majority of gun crime is done with legally owned guns

I really don't understand why some people just don't get the fact that criminals don't obey the law.

Why is it that the fuckers who are so dedicated to this always trying to frame the issue as "what guns or gun owners can we ban"?

But for this specific case, it's trivial for even an untrained retard to take a long gun and cut it down to handgun size. See also Sawed off shotguns, Obreezes. AR pistols.

>>136054137
If you're really going to give this much of a fuck about this issue, you should do basic research on self defense.

>>136054662
Look after your own house first. Canada had a case recently, where a man used firearms to defend his house against people with molotov cocktails. You think it's Canda's laws that are the difference maker and not the culture? The lack of equivalent of Detrioit? No, surrey doesn't count as anywhere close.

>>136052053
You would have to pass a law to register the weapons, then a law to ban the weapons, then a law to seize or buyback the firearms. Nothing will get through Congress. No American will register their guns, there is no way to know who has what, it will never work. And.....
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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>>136054940
Jokes on you us pajeets are immune to capsaicin.

Keep the pistols for day to day self defense

Keep the rifles for civil war (and also hunting)

Don't end up like the UK

>>136054833
>>136054117
INFRINGED

>>136054082
spics are included in niggers

>>136054858
Yes, criminals do purchase guns
Illegal firearms with untraceable serials or imported from another country are much cheaper than legal weapons
More worrying however is actual licensed dealers who traffic in illegal firearms

>>136052053
>overwhelming majority of gun crime is niggers
>niggers are 50% of murders
>its blacks shooting other blacks with stolen $50 Jennings pocket pistols
>HURRRR LETS PASS GUN CONTROL AND PUNISH THE WHITE PEOPLE

You cannot effectively legislate if you're afraid to call a spade a spade. There is no gun problem. There is no need for gun control. America would be damn near a paradise if niggers quit destroying our inner cities.

>>136054858
If your stolen gun is worth $5k you dont rob a kwikEmart, you fence that shit.

>>136054934
Deporting all undesirables is always just as impractical as it would be effective. (inB4 gas em) Anyway this is a gun control thread, your liberals will keep bringing it up so it doesnt hurt to have a strategic retreat planned in case it becomes politically neccesary.

>>136052053
Look at the U.K. They banned guns and now all the attacks are people getting stabbed or cars or acid so if we ban guns we should also ban all of those as well

>>136054226
I hope so anon, I really do

>>136052053
Gun control doesn't work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHAO8oxwioU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-m0RRbfvh4

And if you don't know the technical know how to make these, I'll do it for a price and there are thousands of people like me all over the US who would do the same.

If you try to ban guns in the US you are fucked, people like me will make sure of it you filthy commie leaf

>>136052053
Why are Texas and Florida the only non-cucked states?

>>136052053
Why not just create a gun registry and ban private transactions? That way decisive criminals will have a much harder time getting a gun, and normal people can still buy whatever they want.
This way you don't even break the 2nd amendment

>>136054940
actually using it on humans even in self-defense is illegal in canada.

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>>136052053

OP is a shit posting faggot AND a leaf

sage goes in the options field

>>136055589

>implying nigs know what shit is worth
>implying it's easy to fence the type of unique firearms that would fetch $5k on the normal market

Also, here's an article:

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/01/chicago-crime-guns-chart/

Most of those guns are ex-police guns, likely from CPD and surrounding areas. Notice how the article talks about a large number of sales coming from a handful of gun stores outside of Chicago. $10 says they get a lot of police trade-in's. That give you a Glock at 300-350 versus 450-500+ Same for the older S&W's.

>>136054965
Guns gotta come from somewhere. Constrain supply and even criminals run out.

>>136055029
Yeah that case was fucked up. As for doingy research, i guess its a bit lazy but im not arguing for a pistol ban, just posing the hypothetical.

Modifying long guns for concealibility is a damning point though. If it really is that easy, then yeah a pistol ban would be pointless.

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>>136052053
>>136052053
>non-bait.
>gun-control.
Ha!!!

Here, since you stayed to post have it from Vice:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zhx_fdOvnrI

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>>136052053
OOW WHAT ARE YA DOIN', PAUL?! GET THAT OUTTA THERE BETWEEN THE CRIB BARS!

>>136052053
Indeed, handguns are typically more used for crimes than the scary "assault" rifles that the left is so intent on trying to ban. Why is that I wonder? Because handguns aren't as scary, because politicians don't actually give a shit about what's going on, and just set their eyes on a target they need to ban, before moving on to something else. In the EU, after semi-auto rifles will be banned, handguns will be right next. And then hunting rifles, that our politicians consider like military snipers that need to be take out of the streets, and finally shotguns/black powder/antiques/air guns/paintball/airsoft and anything that remotely looks like a gun and/or can propel a projectile.

Now you can fuck off, leaf.

70% of gun homicides are committed by Democrats. Want to reduce gun crime? Reduce Democrats and you will.

>>136053458
Howdy friend.

>>136053012
No one values the opinions of a snow nigger leaf.

>>136056390

>Constrain supply and even criminals run out.

Not true. Australia has had major gun control for over 20 years and what has happened? Now over 10% of all firearms recovered are cottage built machine guns.

Today, guns in the States are legal, at least in most places. I carry 2-3 guns daily. If tomorrow guns were illegal and stiff penalties came with possession/carrying, am I going to stop carrying? Fuck no. I'll just upgrade to something more powerful.

If the penalty for carrying a regular pistol is the same as carrying a machine pistol or cut down rifle or grenade launcher, why not upgrade?

>>136053587
>>136054082
It's a step in the right direction.

Some one tell me why what his father did was wrong?

>>136052053

Why do people who want to talk about reducing violent crime always defer to guns as if they somehow make the nature of the crime worse? Look at the UK, very little gun crime, quite a lot of knife crime, blunt weapon crime, and even recently an increase in chemical weapons crime. So why guns? I legitimately do not understand the focus. All it does is force criminals to either resort to a) illegal firearms, or b) alternative means. People will always commit violent crime, particularly in highly heterogenous areas.

A comparison we can make to this is hate crime. What is the difference between an assault, and a racially motivated assault? In both scenarios we have some person beating another senseless, but if it is tried as a hate crime, suddenly the perpetrator gets an additional few years tacked on to his sentence. Do those extra few years make the victim any less beaten? No, of course not. It's an arbitrary appendix to make people feel better about themselves without actually generating a greater amount of restitution. It's just one more thing bogging down the justice system needlessly.

It's people like you who remind me why Canadians ought to be fighting tooth and claw for a second amendment of our own.

>>136052053
>why not just ban pistols
I have a right to carry a handgun.

Anyway banning niggers would be much more effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8

Nothing better than seeing a pedophile get banged out

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>>136052053
If only texans could walk-in on these.

Also sage for the bad idea.

God Bless Texas.

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>>136052053
All OP did was manifesting my deep hearted hate of everyone and everything from Canada.

>>136055547
So crack down on arms dealers. Legalize pot and put all those DEA goons to work.
Again, just make concealable weapons expensive by reducing the supply and you get less bodies in the ER on the public dime.

>>136056951

Prosecution was mad as fuck when he didn't get the punishment they thought he deserved for capping that molesting faggot, too.

FUCK MY KID, I POP YOUR LID

>>136056390
A gun is essentially a fairly precise hammer, with springs and shit to get the next round into place. A magazine, is a metal box, so a ban on magazine sizes is trying to control the size of metal boxes.

Banning specific guns doesn't really work well.

Banning all guns has the issue of smuggling, and internal manufacturing, as guns aren't that complicated to begin with. Maybe if your'e a small island it might work.

Canada, Switzerland ect have lots of guns, but they also have law abiding citizens who care for their society. So any gun law is going to be much more effective there than New Jersey or Mexico.

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>>136056530
Howdy!

>>136056951
See, that's exactly what's missing in western countries nowadays, and especially in Europe. How do all those British, German, Swedish, etc fathers can look at themselves in a mirror? They could kill their children/wives/mothers/sisters' rapists, but no, they just watch them get a slap on the wrist in court and rape again as soon as they step outside.

>>136056703
>>136057182
At least i didnt use some shit proxy flag.
Honestly i like you burgers just fine, never change.

OP should keep in mind that the Gun Control Act of 1968 already banned the import of small caliber crappy pistols, AKA Saturday Night Specials which were a huge problem. They still are, with .22 Jimenezes and Phoenix Arms and Bryco crap still plaguing our streets. Problem is those are made in the USA. Still very popular with low level street garbage.

>>136053251
You're all Americans.

>>136052053
Based Texas

>>136054082
It doesn't say which arms. OP never said ban all guns.

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Canadian ultimate cuck shill, fucking fix your country cuck. America is on the right path! MAWA!!!

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>>136052053
Fuck off leaf
Can't wait for the day of the rake.

>>136053564
Are you going to eradicate the knowledge of gun smithing? It's not as hard as you think it is.

>>136057882

The path to being 10% white.

>>136056835
I'd love to own some long guns t.b.h.

>>136056796
interesting. i bet there really arent all that many garage tommyguns down under, though. Who can be arsed? Most gun crime has minimal forethought, lacking a gun-in-hand morons will just use a knife or bluff with a passed note.

Re: upgrading, wat? Banning pistols doesnt incent people to buy grenade launchers, thats bizzare.

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>>136052053
based texas, even if he wasn't in the law he'd've walked. Cops should've given him a medal for performing a citizen's execution

>>136053012
>nice edge there. you're paying for all that black ER care so...

Well worth not handing in my guns.

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>>136052402

We have fun with the success of the gun ban.

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>>136053458
Checking in

>>136057615
Met a dozen Cucknadians - all douches. Entitled+incompetent women, submissive men (who see themselves as lumber chopping ice hockey players). Thought, well just got unlucky with the leafs.

But with spread of internet, I realised you are just a bunch of self-righteous pricks.

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>>136053471
Agreed pic related

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>>136053723

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime,
I dont

>>136052053
then all the gun crime would escalate and become war-tier

>>136052053
Assuming this isn't bait.
I used to think that to. the problem is no matter what, people WILL get them somehow, either by buying them illegally, or by making ghetto ones. Even THEN it might reduce the number of gun deaths, but it will do nothing to the total number of murders. people WILL find a way to kill someone if they want to, I mean fuck look at sweden with grenade and machete attacks.
Honestly the best way to deal with a criminal with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. because guns are the great equalizer. a old lady is just as dangerous as a teenager. so if some hoodlum broke into your grandmothers house, she would stand a much btter chance if she had a gun.

>>136052053
Go away leaf. No one is falling for shills.

Again, I ask, What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand?

We will never cede this power. The government has no grounds to remove a right they never had power or grounds to bestow in the first place. The genie is out of the bottle.....literally....the cancer of islam must be fought with weapons eventually

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>>136059474
>Pic related

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols? I seem to recall something like 80% of all gun crime uses pistols

Want to get rid of 50% of all murders?
Want to get rid of 80+% of rapes?
Want to get rid of 80% of all assaults?

Then ban niggers.

Why blame inanimate objects for the actions of niggers?

>>136052053
Sage, fuck off leaf with your bait thread

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>>136058718
Only Texans get it.

>>136056835
Based leaf?
Welcome

>>136056835
The focus is on guns because it's the most effective means for the average citizen to protect themselves from tyranny.
The first thing any dictatorship and socialist government does is take away guns because without them it's far easier to force them into coherence.

>>136052053
I think the issue most people have with attempts to limit guns is, like you said, it doesn't really stop crime.

If a terrorist wants to get an automatic gun to shoot up a mosque or something, they'll smuggle it in no matter what the law says. It's easy for a gangster to hide a handgun.

Most of the gun rules California implements, for instance, don't really do much to stop gun violence. Banning silencers or whatever new craziness they've done is an appeal to emotion, not reason; and attempt to look effective without actually doing anything.

That said, there are gun measures which I think most sides would agree make sense. It makes sense to not let known violent criminals or people with certain mental illnesses buy guns.

I think the self-defense angle a lot of gun nuts focus on is the wrong way to go about it. It often borders on the fetishistic and is kind of creepy.

First and foremost, guns are tools. There's no reason for the government to restrict the use of tools, especially when those restrictions wouldn't stop crime or be a benefit to society.

>>136052053
you can take my gun from my cold dead hands.

>>136056069


Because, like every other thing involving bans, criminals will not care about it. If we ban private sales, that does nothing to the two black gang bangers from buying and selling stolen guns from each other.

Bans
Don't
Work


Here's what we need to do:
Require the reporting of stolen or misplaced guns within say, 72 hours.

Make possession of stolen or misplaced guns, it guns with destroyed serial numbers a mandatory 2 or 3 year sentence.

Make failure to report a stolen gun punishable by up to 1 year.

Don't ban private sales or transfers (ie, selling your gun to your neighbor or lending your friend a gun). Average Joe can't do a background check and I feel you should be able to lend your gun to a friend or family if you want.
HOWEVER
If the person you give the gun to commits a violent crime with said gun, you are charged as an accessory to that crime. The reason for this is because it stops thugs from copping out of selling guns to their friends and feigning ignorance. And, this law would do nothing to interfere with legal and normal private transactions.

>>136052053
Because the guns don't cause the crime.

The solution is to ban gun criminals.

>>136052053

god bless america.

I love my state.

Here's to hoping we become a stand your ground state soon.

>>136062340
Are we not???

>>136062076


Adding on to that, we seriously need mandatory minimums for gun crimes. Armed robbery with a gun? 4 years mandatory minimum, and 6 years mandatory minimum for each additional armed robbery afterwards. This would be separate from any other charges, such as robbery, and consecutive. Say you get sentences to 1.5 years for armed robbery. Your total sentence would be 5.5 years, 4 of which is mandatory.

Attempted murder with firearm? 15 years mandatory minimum

Home invasion with a firearm? 5 years mandatory minimum, etc.

Felon in possession? 5 years mandatory minimum

And so on.

>>136062611

I assumed you were talking about Texas.

>>136052053
SHALL

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>>136053458
north DFW checkin in

>>136052053

please fuck off

>>136057472
hey, go leafs go.

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>>136060383
Awesome

>Flag
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>136052053
>ban
SHALL

>>136063385
Not

>>136052053
How about instead of banning guns, we just punish people who commit crimes?

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>>136052053
>tfw you live in California and everyone shit talks Texas and you join in because you need to make friends but deep down you know Texas is the shit

>>136052053
Why not just ban gangs? Might as well get at the root of it.

>>136052053
>If we want to
>we
Stop right there, leaf.

>>136063602
be

>>136052053
Posting an image that's more interesting than what you're talking about


Man fuck you


That man deserves a medal

>>136052053
I'd consider a ban on concealed pistols if I can open carry my rifle with no limits

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>Ban pistols (unless you get a CCW permit with it or something)
>Require knowledge of how to safely operate a rifle
>Unban all semi auto military grade rifles, standard cap magazines and military grade body armor
MAGA

Rifles in the hands of responsible americans, pistol supply dried up for criminals

You can mug people in public with a rifle or sneak it into a building

>>136067196
What if pistols were banned unless you applied for a CCW? Also all counties would be required to issue them by law of the land

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>>136064089
>needs to make friends by parroting lies back at them
You really are Californian, you pathetic normalfag. Stay in your containment zone.

>>136067730
And the requirements would be purely skill, knowledge and criminal record etc. No sherrifs with these friends lists only

>>136067196
>ancap would consider a ban on CCW
Why do you use that flag?
>>136067730
What if "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" were taken at face value, you fucking weasel? The Constitution is a legally binding document, not a metaphor.
Jesus, this is a terrible thread.

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>>136053458
helotes checking in

>>136056528
Democrats is just code for niggers ain't it?

>>136052053
>He thinks bans work

>>136052053
in the us, we are past not having guns. the second amendment is sacrosanct. if guns were to start being confiscated on any kind of large scale, we would immediately have the opportunity we need to right the ship.

>>136052053
why dont we just ban criminals from society?barely any crimes involving guns are committed by first time offenders. how about instead of being a liberal dicksucking faggot you just put the trash behind bars and keep them there until their execution date the next month?

>>136052053
>Not bait I swear
>We should ban some guns
>Bans work! Ignore alcohol, marijuana, and 1000's of others
>See this article about a guy beating someone to death with their bare hands!

.... Ahem.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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>>136053458
hill country

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols?

Because people who break the law are not inclined to follow the law. Also, why bother? It's not like it really changes anything in terms of the amount of violent crime. Honestly, if people used knives to attack people rather than handguns you'd probably end up with more dead people also.

>>136052053
>why not just ban pistols?

Because then only criminals will have pistols.

Note that the US - with massive, porous borders to the north and south - can't be compared to a small island state like England, where the banning of firearms is a much easier task simply as a practical matter.

As a practical matter, it's impossible in the US, given the border situation.

>>136052053
>that image
Beautiful. Pedos deserve to be beaten to death.

>>136052053
That pic is why guns and deadly force are needed.
Fuck up leaf.

nigga just make murder illegal if you want to reduce killing


oh shit wait...

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>>136052053
your pic is why i love my state
don't mess with texas

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols? I seem to recall something like 80% of all gun crime uses pistols,

Because that's not how logic works. Most people who are obese eat a lot of sugar, so just ban sugar and you solve obesity.

>>136053458
permian basin checking in

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols? I seem to recall something like 80% of all gun crime uses pistols, with mass shootings being statistically invisible.
80% of all car accidents happen within 5 miles of your home. Why don't we ban driving within 5 miles of your home?

Think for a second.

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>>136053458
NE Texas checking in.

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>>136053458

>>136052053
not just texas. most states offer "defense of others" as an affirmative defense

i suppose if you were an insufferable pedant you could argue that at a certain point the daughter was no longer in danger and he could/should have stopped the beating, but no DA is dumb enough to put that before a jury

>>136052053
I wonder if he had a gun and just didn't want to use it

>Not bait I swear!
>We need more gun control

Yeah that is straight fucking bait. Fuck off. Saged and reported.

>>136053458

Florida here, chiming in because we also have based stand your ground / castle doctrine laws. They actually made it even more bulletproof recently. The prosecutor has to prove that the dindu was a good boy who wasn't going to hurt anyone now.

>>136052053
>LITERALLY beat a man to death to save his daughter
based texas

>>136052053
You still at this? Pass all the gun control you want. America won't be joining you.

Remember to sage Canadian gun grabber.

GARY WHY

>>136067617
Gun grabbing kike shill

>>136052053
Prohibition is always and will always fail. You are 300 years too late with your bullshit.

>>136075858
lots of things are currently under prohibition in the US, with varying degrees of effectiveness. Generally the price just goes up, which ive argued would be beneficial. (less thugz with nugz, your favorite 50 cal anti-materiel rifle is unaffected)

>>136052053
Arent pistols banned in California?
Also most guns are banned here, but criminals still have guns.
Gun control is useless.

>>136052053
Pistols are the best for self defense and most gun crime is committed by niggers so better just to ban them.

>>136052053
Lmao. I'm loving all these gun threads. Keep reinforcing the second amendment.

And remember:
RIGHTS.
EXSIST.
WITHOUT.
GOVERNMENT.

>>136052053
>we
If you want to do that in your communist shithole then go ahead.

>>136052053
>if we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban niggers?
ftfy

>>136076839
statewide bans on anything in the US are very weak, interstate borders are all but nonexistant. Smuggling will always exist but a national ban, or heavy restriction like here in mooseburg, really can bring numbers down and prices up. (unless as one anon noted, people just cut down long guns without ruining them)

>>136053458
Houston checking in

>>136076839
Cali here, no, BUT it's hard. You need a permit and there's a 10 day waiting period. I brought mine in from AZ though and it's been grandfathered in. They also will do background checks to purchase ammo (no joke) and limit ammo to 500 rounds a month (I blow through 200 just going to the range once a month). Overall z it's fucking bullshit out here, I'm trying to move back to AZ. I do like the range I go to though, they let my 13 year old shoot there without her having an ID (state law) but they know me, great guys, they also kick out the potheads that come in and want to shoot, haha, fuckers don't put up with that shit which is a good thing around guns.

>>136077351
And the Hispanics.

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>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime
I don't. I want to reduce ALL CRIME.

"Reducing gun crime" won't reduce the total crime rate. It will just shift the means used to commit crime over to alternative methods.

Even with that said, the NATIONWIDE violent crime rate is at a significant low and continues to drop. All while gun laws across the country are becoming more lenient.

Gun law stringency does not correlate with gun homicide at all anyway.

>>136052053
If we want to reduce drug crime, why not let junkies OD?

>>136053564
>Nothing happens overnight. Slowly drug supply diminishes, faster with cash4crack programs. Drug never dissapear entirely but get priced out of the range of the kind of trash that use them and street volence. People Get hammered with alcohol and huff paint instead.

>>136071099
ayy canyon lake? hitting it up in a couple weeks. I'm 10 mins from medina lake so been hanging out there instead

>>136052053
I would only support this if gun advocates get something in return.

Remove the restrictions on barrel length, and allow civilians to own full auto weapons.
Then we can talk about banning handguns, as long as there is a permitting process for competition shooters and collectors

>>136053458
Tampa FL reporting in
Gunshine state still strong

Show of hands though, how many of you would actually use your gun for self defense? Like, someone is acting threatening in your hood or starts busting into your house? Because, IMO, the hassle with lethal force is that you'll have a court case and shit at the minimum (never mind the fact that most people wouldn't have the nerve to kill another human). Why not go non-lethal for home defense? After all, tranq darts, tasers, bear mace, bear traps, etc can be very effective.

anyone who rapes a 5 year old doesn't deserve to live. It shouldn't be imprisonment, it should be immediate execution

>>136081517
>Why not go non-lethal for home defense?
because im not a faggot, cops around high congratulate people for shooting crooks

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>>136053458
972 checking in

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>>136052053
What part of:
>Shall
>Not
>Be
>Infringed
do you limp wristed fairies not understand?

>>136081517
If you kill them, they can't testify against you. Your chances of getting 0 time are nearly 100%

>>136052053
Exponentially more people are killed every year by pools than guns, and way more than that by heart disease. If you really care about people dying, ban pools.

The actual purpose of guns is to discourage the government from stepping over boundries that would result in revolution. If you look at any society in recent history that has collapsed to despotism, you see that they disarmed the population several years before. Venezuela banned guns in 2012 and take a look at the result of the governments actions after that point.

Safety is a smoke screen for disarming your population to make them easier to control. Its literally saying "you can not be trusted to defend yourself and decide your own fate".

>>136082129
lol, mate, the people cannot oppose the government. This is LARP-tier fantasy land bullshit.

>>136081745

But you didn't answer the question. Chances are, you're not professionally trained, so it's doubtful you'll be able to shoot someone, because the average person doesn't want to kill, but would be able to injure.

I dunno, lol. I have armed security where I live so it's a non-question for me, I just don't think it's that easy to just shoot someone.

>>136052053
>non-bait
>gun control

Kill yourself.

>>136082025

I mean off the top of my head, ZimZam got into shit for it.

>>136081517
I had a nigger come up to my window while stuck in traffic. I told him to gtfo and he got mad.
>wutchoo gon do white boy?!
>punches my window.
So I pulled my revolver and pointed it at him as I rolled down my window.
Stupid nigger ran away.
Believe me, I wish he had pressed his argument because I was looking to end the argument with a bullet. One more dead nigger is cool by me.

>>136053458
College Station here.

Gun owner = small dick and identity problem

>>136052053
>knives kill people
>cars kill people
>electricity kills people
>brass kills people
>guns kill people
Ban it all, I can't handle these rights!!
Ban the internet because it also can lead to suicide or murder.

>>136082415
Okay, fair enough. Maybe some people can, I'm not saying anything. Nor am I pro-gun control. I just think that non-lethal makes sense (and in some ways, is better, because it's usually painful af, which is better for being an object lesson).

>>136082529
Nice 1990's argument against firearm owners.
You guys on the left are so obviously lame now that you don't have a monopoly on entertainment.

>>136052053
>attackers name was Jesus.
Somebody is indeed doing the raping. Or was.

> Ban handguns
> BUT THEY STILL HAVE HIGH CAPACITY CLIPS AND ASS HAT RIFLES!!!
> Ban rifles
> BUT THEY STILL HAVE KNIFES
> Ban spoons
> become brit

>>136052053
>If we want to reduce gun crime, why not just ban pistols?
No.
That's the only debate you get from me.
You can thank the anti-tobacco freaks. They showed exactly what would happen if we give an inch (they go for a mile and then some.)
No. <- transcript of the debate.
t. non-gun owner

>>136081106
This sounds reasonable.

>>136082529
>larp flag
>talking bout identity problem

>>136052053
Simple we sterilize the nonwhites

>>136082213
I don't blame you for thinking that, the hardware and organization of a military make them extremely formidable.

However, the end game of a revolution is not a total and bloody victory, its to replace leaders or at least convince and oppressive government to stand down. Guerrilla forces have won in many underdog stories, the country was founded by outgunned guerillas and its the reason they put the second amendment in in the first place.

If the second amendment was actually followed to the spirit of the founders, everyone would be allowed to own fully automatic assault rifles.

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>>136083078
This is what happens when disorganized rabble wielding homemade weaponry and farming tools goes up against an actual professional trained military with a centralized command structure.

>>136082660
I'll add that after one visit to the strip club I found a nice, large folding knife in the parking lot.
I took it home and cleaned it off with alcohol. The knife is noticeably used and I keep it in a rolled up towel and never touch it. I keep it in my house for the sole reason that I would use as a plant if I had to shoot anyone in my house. Don't even have to touch it, just unroll the towel and let the knife land near the body as I call 911.
I have zero hesitation to end someone's life if they want to fuck with my shit.

>>136058280
>Re: upgrading, wat? Banning pistols doesnt incent people to buy grenade launchers, thats bizzare.

it most certainly does, when weapons need to be imported to sell on the black market they are not going to bother importing jiminez .25acp throwaways they are going to go literally full autos and destructive devices

banning guns makes the weapons the criminals are made available more dangerous. rather than a beat to shit single shot shotgun they will be buying a luty homebrew or a mac10 or an uzi

>>136062611
Texas is Castle Doctrine. Stand your ground, but only in your home.

>>136082213
>>136082213
That's before you even factor in that the military wouldnt be behind a revolt, it would be split down the middle if not split more towards the people, as soldiers are people. Not even the government would be fully in favor of squashing insurrection. At the end of the day, "The Government" consists of a few thousand humans in Washington DC, they are not infallible, and they are not invincible.

>>136052053

yes, great idea, lets permanently limit personal freedom for the safety of a small population.

>>136083292
>AD 60
Are you even trying?

>>136083591

In Texas your vehicle is considered an extension of your domicile.

>>136057650
we are all Mammals, Kangaroo abortion rights now!

>>136083749
This is representative of any number of battles the Romans, Greeks, or Persians fought against unorganized rabble. The end result was almost always a completely one-sided massacre

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>>136052053
Because if people are committing crimes anyway, it's not that hard to cut off the barrel and stock of a rifle and have essentially a pistol. Meanwhile, people who conceal carry for protection will get shafted by the law as collateral damage.

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>>136053458

R.. Reporting in from San Diego

Why do leafs always care about our gun laws fuck off

>>136083890
These are nearly 2000 year old examples. Humans haven't changed but technology definitely has and it makes a world of difference.

>niggers dying is bad
don't care

>>136053564
Black markets you nigger.

>>136052053
Fuck i read about a guy in canada that was home invaded by 4 men, armed, he managed to wrestle a gun away from one and ran them off, shooting one of them in th eporcess. Now he is being charged with a littany of crimes for defending his property fml.

>>136084506
Remember how the Bundy Ranch stuff ended? When those LARPing militia members decided to try and occupy a federal building in Oregon?
Remember how that ended?

They ended up sobbing and begging on livestream. They didn't fire a shot, and were quickly arrested

>>136052053
If we want to reduce drug crime, why not just ban drugs?

Wait...

>>136052053
>ban handguns in Chicago, DC
>crime rate immediately spikes in both cities
>handgun crime continues unabated
The problem isn't the guns, it's the African gentlemen using the guns to commit crimes; primarily gangsters shooting up other gangsters.

>>136083527
i follow your logic, but grenade launchers are still massively more expensive than disposible revolvers.
handgun possession penalties are stiff in canada and we're not drowning in RPGs and A-10 warthog cannons. We just dont have many handguns, though yes of course crooks still have them.

>>136052053
Guns are a problem why dont we just ban x part so crime stops. I mean it worked with drugs right? It's not as though the people using the guns for crime are going to break the law to get a gun! right? duh. I'm really tired of autists arguing gun control. You can't fix the gun crime problem without addressing the specific groups of people that are being criminal. It's not gun owners it's gangs and shit you mongoloids.

>>136084798
The difference lies in what the men are willing to do. The Bundy fucks wouldn't have fought if one of their men were beaten senseless in front of them while another trooper grabbed his wife by the pussy. A group of farmers and factory workers who are about to have their home's taken from them for "the good of the commune" is definitely going to start murdering people left and right. The difference is with guns, the latter is likely to put up a good enough fight.

>>136085342i definitely appreciate that you can create perverse incentives with this kind of thing, but realistically people wont get a grenade for their concealable mugging weapon, theyll use a knife. its not like making theft punishable by death leaving thieves no reason to not kill their targets, the reasonable alternayibes to a pistol are downgrades.

>>136053458
burn austin to the ground when?

>>136056833
He killed a Mexican who had a sexual emergency.

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>>136085342
Nice samefag.

Its a proxy leaf. All you bait biters go home.

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>>136053458
>>136053587
>>136058718
>>136073479
>>136081871

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>>136086086
>the reasonable alternayibes to a pistol are downgrades.
thinking criminals committing armed robbery is in any fashion is "reasonable" is moronic

>i follow your logic, but grenade launchers are still massively more expensive than disposible revolvers.

wrong also, its a fuckin tube with even less parts than a revolver. whatever weapon are smuggled in are whats going to be sold on black market, and they arent gonna waste their time smuggling revolvers

wouldnt think that sweden would be having many grenade attacks, but there they are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

lastly everybody knows youre the same douche leaf making these thread 50 times a day

>>136052053
Venus

>>136086204

Most of Austin is built on plentiful limestone. Good luck burning it.

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Brilliant. Why not ban crack, meth, and heroin while we are at it?

>>136087347
leaf loses again, can mods ban this spammer already?

>>136052053
https://youtu.be/Qt2r3zDufcQ