>G-Germans had best technology and tanks in WW2 Umm...no,

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>>136006746
>Germans had best technology and tanks in WW2

But they did...For a majority of the war there planes and tanks were massively superior and a lot of weaponry made after WW2 were based of German designs...

>>136006746
I wish threads like this got banned on sight.

>>136006898
Not a single relevant post-war tank or airplane was based on German designs. Ignoring that Argentinian jet.
Only thing where Germans had advantage was rocketry.

>>136006958
Why? Because there isn't enough room for the 30 Seth Rich breads in the catalog at any given time?
>muh everything I don't want to discuss is a slide thread.

>best tanks
you mean italy?

>>136006898
>For a majority of the war there planes and tanks were massively superior

lmfao no they weren't dude

name 1 (seriously, just ONE) piece of equipment that germany used that was "massively superior" to its allied equivalent

I've got literally all day. let's hear your idiotic response.

>>136006746
>Toasters
>Good tanks
Ask any veteran who served in armor in europe at that time.
Even my grand grand soap said those tanks wete shit.

The Tiger was overengineered and inefficient. A lot of early German equipment was taken from the Czechs and Poland's smoldering corpse. Tactics, you fucking idiots. Mannstein, Guderian, and Rommel.

>>136007030
What is the turbine jet engine?

>>136006898
Not entirely true. They had the better tank doctrine in the early war. One on one the french char would have beat a pz2, but it was one on one hundred. Once they developed the panther, then they had the best tank in the world. But they switched places with the French. For every panther that rolled off an assembly line 20 shermans or 20 t-34's rolled off.

>>136007268
Sherman was the best medium tank of WW2 in field, followed by T-34 variants.
Ronson meme started AFTER WW2. Shermans later literally had wet stowage for ammo. They rarely burned. There were some incidents with Brits because they stored ammo improperly, that's it.

>>136007260
Panzer mark 5 Tiger.

Average KD ratio 1:15 vs Sherman

Average KD ratio 1:25 vs T-34

>>136007260
Luger > 1911

>>136007268

Sherman crews had the highest survival rate of any armor on any side in the whole war

but ok go ahead and peddle your idiotic myths that you got from your granddad, I mean really who cares if it's contradicted by all available evidence? your grampa said so, therefore it must be right!

lmfao

>>136007260
The French literally took the german 7.5cm gun off the panther and used it on their postwar tanks. That gun was one of the finest in the world for the next 20 years.

>>136006898

So...

They built tanks which were at the start of the war inferior mechanically to the Allies (much better deployed, however), and by the end of the war were either outgunned, or so mechanically unreliable that they couldn't be deployed properly.

They built rocket fighters which were more likely to kill you on landing than enemy fire was, no heavy bombers to properly carry the war to Britain, and never could design a fighter which could serve in a long-range escort role, forcing them to piss away their Bf-109s.

Such geniuses, designing a wealth of over-engineered weapons for the wrong war.

>>136007436
youtube.com/watch?v=xBCZrMVVI2M

>>136007439
Numbers pulled out of your ass. Provide sources.

>>136007515
>Sherman crews had the highest survival rate of any armor on any side in the whole war
Yeah, because it's a lot easier to claim wounded when you're advancing past the destroyed vehicle than retreating from it.

Use your fucking brain.

>>136007439
>Panzer mark 5 Tiger.

ok so you're literally retarded

I won't go into all the reasons why the Tiger was bad because some other anons on this thread are already doing it. when your example is already being independently trashed by several anonymous strangers on the internet before you even mention it, it's time to maybe rethink your decision to live

also, the tiger was the VI. the panther was the V. retard. lmfao

>>136007260
The Panther Tank

>>136007066
No, it's fucking annoying.
>um no sweetie
>she's right, you know
>(something) does not exis-

>>136007710

all of the criticisms of the tiger (just read the thread) can be copy-pasted for the panther

if you had just read a book about this subject before pretending to be an expert then perhaps you would not have embarrassed yourself this badly so quickly

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>tfw the T-44 never saw real action
People look at the Soviet tanks and think "lol those are shit" without realising that the Soviets had fantastic tank designs that they just decided weren't worth the production costs of switching over manufacturing for.

The USSR has virtually always had superior land weapon platforms to the West, it just lacked the economy to deploy them en masse.

>>136007710
well armored and well armed, but useless and expensive.

it ate it's own drivetrain for breakfast.

>>136007710
>can't even turn its turret if it's not on flat ground
And unlike the KV-2 it didn't even have the excuse of carrying a fucking field gun.

>>136007837
It was cheaper to produce than a Panzer IV though.

Which boggles my mind, honestly.

>>136006898
nope.jpg

Germans had better leadership and tactics at the start of the war, planes were average and the Panzer 1 and 2 were basically not even tanks, they were infantry support vehicles. The Panzer 3 an 4 were while better thought out designs than the French and British tanks, there was nothing particularly special about them outside of crew communication, in the sense of 1vs1 the only thing that really defined them were how they were used.

The late war German tanks were based on matching Soviet designs.

>>136007636

here's a hot tip - when you're trying to argue with someone and disprove their assertion, you are not supposed to immediately admit that their argument is correct. that makes you lose the argument.

>>136007996
It was slightly more expensive (117K-103K RM). It was a good design, but suffered from reliability issues and quality of production.

>>136008067
>measure crew survival rates by casualties divided by destroyed vehicles
>OH GEE WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE SIDE WITH THE INFINITELY BETTER ABILITY TO RECOVER CASUALTIES HAS HIGHER CREW SURVIVAL RATES, I GUESS THIS MEANS THEIR TANKS ARE BETTER.

The Germans were autistic, rather than designing a plane or a tank and then slowly working on its flaws and improving it, they decide to just design everything from scratch and completely fuck up their production.

>Germans
>Have to make many separate parts for individual tank models
>Everyone else
>Replacement parts can be used on many different tanks since they all share similar features

>>136008050
I remember that the early T-34s didn't have radios, but what about British and French tanks? Did they all have radios?

>>136007996

surprise surprise, germans couldn't figure out how to produce things efficiently. that's what you get from a nation of autistic, scat-obsessed cocksuckers whose main focus is wallowing in how superior and intelligent they are instead of just, you know, getting stuff done.

they were just mentally unequipped to actually wage a total war - they said they wanted one and then did fuck-all to supply it. their enemies by contrast were actually serious about it and this is why we burned germany to the ground and not the other way around

>>136006746
>mememan

lel

Try harder.

>>136008221

another tip - don't continue to angrily assert that your opponent is correct. not only does this make you lose the argument but it also makes you look retarded and possibly insane

>>136008276
Nope. Soviets appreciated radios, but they couldn't make enough of them and those they built had shit quality. But even early 30's T-28 had radio.

>>136006746
The ruskies did (T34's). Shermans were inferior to German Panzers/Tigers b t w.

umm bad thread sweetie, try harder maybe
bye hun

>>136007066
Lmao he admits he's sliding Seth Rich threads
Holy fuck its not a shill in the classic sense, its high level leaf trolling because he knows what upsets us.
I can smell the leaf and the non white on you. What could cause a person to hate this community so much...

>>136008360
It's clear you're incapable of understanding the point I'm making and labouring my way through explaining the statistical trickery you're falling prey to will achieve nothing except embroiling me deeper in an argument you're not equipped to have.

Here's an actual pro-tip, not just a condescending dig: statistics are very, very easy to manipulate. If you just divide casualties by vehicles destroyed to get crew survival rates you are considering every single thing that goes into casualties and vehicle destruction. You're considering not just the tank but medical facilities, ability to reach casualties, the kinds of weapons that are being used to destroy the tank, how the tanks are employed (whether they're being hit in the thick frontal armour that might cause crippling damage and "destroy" the tank but do less damage to the crew than, say, if the tanks were commonly being hit in the side), and so forth.

The statistics aren't designed to be misleading. They're just not able to be applied in the way you want to apply them. They simply cannot be considered to measure nothing more than the worth of the tank.

Do not expect further reply.

>>136007451

a shitty 9mm pistol with an ancient operating principle that NOBODY uses anymore, VS a handgun design which has been in continuous use by hundreds of millions of people for over a hundred years lmfaoooo are you fucking kidding me nigger

>>136007531

the french used that shit because they had literally nothing else and no ability to design or build it. read a book.

the french kept divisions of panther tanks around for decades because they could not make their own tanks. did any other nation do this? no.

>>136008498
No they weren't. Sherman was better than anything Germans fielded before Panther, and in practice it was better than Panther too.
Tiger was a heavy tank, it can't be compared to a medium tank like Sherman. But even with that said, Sherman had around 90mm of frontal armor, while Tiger had 102mm.

>>136008498
A lot of what made the early t-34 good was the sheer number they could field thanks to millions of tank crews. It wasn't a "good" tank but they knew how to play to their strengths. Later T-34's and the -85 got pretty good though.

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>>136007634
why is this fun for you ? if you want to know why come to /pol/ you could watch any youtube video and see army generals and tank crews themselves have said that they couldn't kill german tank without losing six sherman tanks.

>>136008284

Ah, come on, man. I'm not a retarded Wehraboo, but Germany did pretty good with what it was given, even though it shouldn't have been trying for a war in the first place.

Erich von Mannstein had some good ideas to actually reform Germany's industrial processes, and was summarily ignored. Germany's command was an odd mix between brilliant military leadership and inept morons.

>>136008749
Sources.

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Sherman is underrated and was wrongly maligned, especially once it was equipped with the 76mm. Though the best armor of WW2 is the above.

>>136007439
>Panzer mark 5 Tiger.
What are you even talking about the Panther or the Tiger I? Also those kill ratios lol.

>>136007260
The sturmgewhers gas system was copied wholesale by the ak47

>>136006746
A fucking cuck tank

>>136006746
SLIDE THREAD

DNC MURDERED SETH RICH, NEVER FORGET RUSSIA GATE AND HAITI EARTHQUAKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING

>>136008899
Nope.

>>136008733
This took too long to reply. What a butthurt post.

I shot with both and the 1911 suck.
We have 1911 in the army and they are the worst fucking handgun ever.

I shot multiple kind of old handgun, even the shirt TT-33 and it was more precise than every 1911 I shouted with.

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Forgetting the King Tiger man sloppy

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>>136006746

>>136008715
>It's clear you're incapable of understanding the point I'm making

No dude I understand you perfectly, it's just that what you're doing is repeatedly stating that I was correct while also pretending to disagree. stop doing that.

>>136006898
You could not be more wrong.

>>136007268
kek, give that man a village of african jews

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Michael Wittman

Wittmann is known for his ambush of elements of the British 7th Armoured Division, during the Battle of Villers-Bocage on 13 June 1944. While in command of a Tiger I tank, he destroyed up to fourteen tanks and fifteen personnel carriers, along with two anti-tank guns, within the space of fifteen minutes.

>tfw you will never anally annihilate a column of mudslime armor and vehicles singlehandedly

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>>136007926
THIS
H
I
S

Look at "Stilet" or "Szhatie" projects - A FUCKING LASER TANKS! But soviets couldnt afford them, so there's 1 or 2 of those in museums.

>>136009031
Hitler's boner for big tanks cost them the war. The king tiger was a terrifying opponent, but when one showed up sherman crews just went somewhere else.

>>136006746
Ok, reality check time.

Germany was completely fucked by lack of access to oil. They didn't build diesel engines and much more heavy tanks because they were forced to use synthetic petrol. That was very expensive and very bad (especially in extreme cold and hot climates) This literally cost them the war.

>>136007260
TOW Missiles

>>136008899

false

>>136008769

try reading my post again, you seem to have misunderstood me

>>136009027

leaf, you're a leaf. your opinions about things do not matter. your country is led by a homosexual and the only good thing in your future is dude weed lmao. you don't get to be taken seriously about anything.

>>136008276
I believe the British tanks did but not at the start of the war, and the French I don't really know but it is doubtful. The real problem with the French was that the tanks were assigned to infantry companies, they were spread out and worked to purely support the infantry they were assigned to, the Germans on the other hand had tank divisions that were trained to work together and independent of the infantry in groups.

The Russians also had the problem with having the commander also working as the loader I believe, could be wrong about what role it was exactly but it meant that there wasn't much communication between other tanks either, a huge problem of this was even though their tanks mid and late war were on par the Germans would designate targets and the Russians would end up overlapping their shots sometimes all focusing on the same target.

>>136009027
Don't bother replying to him. You can tell by his posting style he's fresh off the boat.

I mean just look at this shit:
>lmfaoooo are you fucking kidding me nigger
He's a fucking child.

>>136009205

you're not a real german, you have a sense of humor

>>136007260
>name 1 (seriously, just ONE) piece of equipment that germany used that was "massively superior" to its allied equivalent

Tiger tank and Me262 jet, faggot. Kill yourself.

>>136008739
comparing armor is stupid you have to compare protection(armor vs guns they were set against)

also what people tend to forget is that german design made sense in the situation that german was in the same for the soviets. the only one who could really just produce whatevery they wanted was the us.

the soviets kept the t34 not because it was great but because the production loss caused by changing the tank model wasnt justified.

the germans used the tank engine to rotate the turret in the panther not because it was better than an electrical driven one but because they were lacking copper i think

>>136009227
>DON'T EXPECT ANY FURTHER REPLIES
>continues to reply

>>136009209
>leaf, you're a leaf. your opinions about things do not matter. your country is led by a homosexual and the only good thing in your future is dude weed lmao. you don't get to be taken seriously about anything.
Pay attention children, this is how you lose the argument.

>>136009220
The french tanks had the problem of making the commander do literally everything except drive.

>>136007030
You dumb faggot. Ever hear of the F-86 Sabre? Compare it to Messerschmitt's P.1101. Numerous other examples, too.

>>136009252
>tiger

read the thread nimrod

>me262

piece of shit that killed more german pilots than allied ones

>>136009031
>Porsche turret
Nice shot trap, idiot.

>>136009252
>me 262
>good
lmao

>>136009294
Loud American children are the fucking worst.

I wish the 2016 election never happened. The memes were not worth this lingering suffering.

>>136009252
Should have said the FW190.

>>136009252
Add the FW-190 D9 to that list

>>136006746
Stg44, precursor to every single assault rifle in existence.
Bf-109, for years one of the fastest aircraft with some of the best high altitude performance.
FW-190, heralded the best all-round aircraft of the war.
U-boot, the best submarines of their day.

Now there were many problems with Germany in the war, but don't pretend that because of that a tank that couldn't even dent the Tiger's armour was better than them.

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>>136009209
>He is so assmad he relies to leaf memes not even replying to my points.

*breath in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Luger is still better than the burger pistol.

>>136008476
They had radios yes but they didn't use them for intercrew communication, they hardly used them to work with other tanks in their group once combat started either.

limited to no ressources.
still pulls some amazing tanks, jets and stuff out of there asses.
even when shit at maintaining allied forces shit their trousers when they saw a panther or tiger

>not superior

ok

>>136006898
Germans having good tanks is a myth invented by the French general staff to excuse getting completely BTFO by the blitzkrieg. French and Czech tanks were significantly better than pre-war German tanks, the Germans just had better military doctrine

>>136009368
>DON'T EXPECT ANY FURTHER REPLIES
>continues to reply

>>136007030
The AK based on the stg44, the minuteman/atlas ICBM's based on the v2.

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reminder that germans had UFOs
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/133881235

>>136009499

false

>>136007260
horten ho229

>inb4 we also got jets like these!!"!!!!
yeah but they didnt work well and were useless militarily.

>>136009401
>>136009410
didn't stand a chance to griffons or p-51s or tempests

>>136009368
>I wish the 2016 election never happened. The memes were not worth this lingering suffering.
You're damn right, Ozbro. I wish they'd fuck off again, I'd post that chart showing mobile traffic if I had it.
>>136009479
He isn't even talking to you, you screeching inbred.

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love these threads
idiotic wehraboos like>>136009467 come crawling out the woodwork to defend muh kruppstahl

>>136006746
>>136007030
>rocketry and a majority of aerospace engineering
>linear computing with the binary system and cryptography
>MG42 was so frightening that the allies made training videos on it for their troops
You're posting with technology that was furthered greatly by the scientists in the NSDAP, retard.

>>136009499
the AK's functioning was inspired by the STG-44, but the internal workings and design are completely different

>>136009571

also trash

>>136009607

he's talking ABOUT me you illiterate fucktard

he's actually written more posts discussing my posts than replies to my post at this point

>>136009621
dont forget the warships and subs.

how is that hms hood going for ya?

>>136006746

All your technology is bought or stolen. Not to mention you are the weak link:

>Analysing the genetic make-up of 20 Americans of European ancestry and 15 African-Americans, researchers found that the former showed much less variation among 10,000 tested genes than did the latter, which was expected.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/02/22/whites-genetically-weaker-than-blacks-study-finds.html

You are a disgrace Amerifat!!

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Rate the pinnacle of WW2 Hungarian tank development.

>inb4 Panther
Yes, it was 'inspired' by it.

>>136009588
Maybe because those planes were built to counter them?

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Rear shot.

>>136006746
Germans had shitty tanks, very slow, consume to much fuel, engine failure, hard to maintain, hard to build, very complicated and expensive. Cavemen design, just boxes any retard could build.

But germany had decent planes.

>>136006746
Who cares about better tech? If anything this just shows the superiority of the Wehrmacht and their tactics.

>>136007030
except for... every single jet-engine plane ever

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>>136009723
*teleport behind Bismark*

*launch torpedo*

pffft...nothin personal...kid

>>136009588
Bullshit P-51 was shit tier. The only reason they're so revered was because of being able to go long range against noob German pilots.

Tempest was a ground attack aircraft.

Griffin is a powerplant, not an airframe retard

>>136006746

Russian KV-1 was superior to any German tank until 1943.

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>>136009830

The Pz4 was a decent platform, even by the end of the war.

>>136009787
>germans build a shit plane
>allies build a better one
>"Well, the plane is actually SO GOOD that the allies were forced to make even better ones, proving the superiority of the german design!"

get the fuck out of here child

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>>136009781
Hungary had native tank production?

I like the Sentinel, but maybe I'm biased.

>>136007392
Not entirely true.
The French had more tanks but they used them as infantry support like they were in the great war rather than tank divisions with infantry support.
The German tanks had an extra crewmember which makes a big difference in combat.

And a Char B1 beating a Panzer 2 is an unfair comparison, but the Char B1 was shit for WWII style warfare so even then it's possible the Panzer 2 could beat it.

German armoured divisions continued to be highly effective even into the later years of the war, they must have been doing at least a few things right.

1. Stg 44
2. Rocket Technology

That is about it. Nothing else had longevity after the war in terms of its tech. Basicæly everything else died after the war. Thats not really a good sign that they were superior now is it.

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reminder that pic related sank germanies most advanced battleship before it could finish it's first mission

>>136009499
>the minuteman/atlas ICBM's based on the v2
That's like saying Iowa-class battleship is based on Greek trireme.

>>136009474
This is only partially true. The French had better tanks, but the design itself was idiotic. The same person who drove the tank was in charge of the main gun so they weren't very mobile like the German tanks were.

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>>136009499
>The AK based on the stg44

Dude

>>136009781
looks like t 34

>>136009966
It's like an amd/nviditard argument

>>136009869
a lucky shot heh.

and even after the bismarck had to bounce after it kicked massive assesand sustained quite the damage not to mention it needed to restock fuel and ammunition.

anglos were so buttmad about the hood they took almost the royal navy to pursue this monstrosity of a ship.

>>136006898
French had better tanks in the beginning of the war and Russians had more economical tanks towards the end.

Tigers were the 'best' tank but on a cost benefit analysis fell far behind even most American tanks, which were considered shitcans by even the Russians who considered the M3 a coffin on tracks and the M4 not much better.

Americans looked at the T-34 and first wondered how the fuck they fit four guys inside of one and then said the transmission was so badly designed it had to be sabotage. T-34s would roll into battle with a second transmission bolted on to the hull to replace the first when it failed. But once the mechanical jank was worked out it was by far the best workhorse tank design.

If the Germans ditched the tiger memes and focused on panthers they would have done much better.

>>136009958
>Pz4
weak armour.

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>>136010022
don't forget the jerrycan!

>>136008733

>>a shitty 9mm pistol with an ancient operating principle that NOBODY uses anymore, VS a handgun design which has been in continuous use by hundreds of millions of people for over a hundred years lmfaoooo are you fucking kidding me nigger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_92
The Beretta 92 pistol evolved from earlier Beretta designs, most notably the M1923 and M1951. From the M1923 comes the open slide design, while the alloy frame and locking block barrel, originally from Walther P38, were first used in the M1951.

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*shoots down ur zero*

>>136010158
>jerrycan

this is genuinely the only piece of equipment that was better.

thank you hitler!

>>136010175

show me a modern pistol with a toggle lock

>>136009499
Ak is just SKS

g3 is stg44

>>136007360
japs did that faggot

>>136010123
Your Navy was destroyed by Orville and Wilbur Wright experimenting with boxkites.

>>136006898
honestly
ww2 was just a corporate war
the US corporations wanted German tech and didn't want to pay the g*rms for it

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>>136010088
>>136010144

Well, the T-34 was another inspiration. But then again, the Panther's precursor, the VK 30.02 was pretty much a direct copy of it.

>>136009982

Indeed, we did. We also had radar and anti-tank missile designs.

MG34 and MG42. Pioneers of the squad support weapon, are they not?

MG42 is still used today as the MG3 and it was also copied by the Yanks to make the M60.

>>136009166
>the tanks running away are clearly superior
>strategic 4d chess retreat
>if I kill the big scary tank, it wins

Seriously though, if the Sherman was best tank why didn't the us win more tank battles against the germans?

>>136010386
so was pearl harbour
what's your point?

>>136008715
so what you're saying is that sherman crews had high survival rates?

>>136006746
In tanks, the US outproduced the Germans but overall the Allies were more technologically advanced.

>>136009808
T H I C C
H
I
C
C

>>136010071
the ak is just a simplified nigger-rigged version
it wouldnt exist without the stg

>>136010510
I'm saying that whether they did or not is irrelevant in a discussion about the merits of specifically tank designs.

>>136010301
>Ak is just SKS
Rotating bolt, tilting bolt, no provision for automatic in SKS, really what's the same besides the cheap plywood stocks and caliber?

>>136007634
>company of heroes

>>136010626

you really need to stop replying now

>>136009696
>he's talking ABOUT me you illiterate fucktard
That's not a reply now, is it?
I'm not particularly surprised that you can't understand that concept, really.

>>136007030
France built prototypes off the King Tiger, and the Panther was the standard by which the post-war tanks at least in the west were judged.

>>136006898
>there planes and tanks were massively superior
No. Early-war, their tanks were inferior to both the English and French, and the bulk of their experience-refined battle-tested designs were still inferior to the basic Soviet design at the start of the war.
Even the German tanks that overpowered individual Russian tank designs were not "superior" in the sense of how they could be fielded, because there were never going to be enough of them to overpower weaker but easier designs. And even then, when the Soviets built overpowered heavy tanks, theirs were still better than the German equivalent, eg: IS2.

It's Western propaganda to play up the Germans as having "wunderwaffe", because they want to excuse A) losing, in the case of the UK and France, and B) building knowingly inferior tanks, in the case of the Americans.
That said, the Sherman isn't that bad. It was perfectly fine for 1942/3, and peripheral theatres, but it was too tall, too weak, and too combustible for combat in Europe, especially in an environment like Normandy.
If they'd been supplemented from the outset with a heavy tank of their own, like the T34s were by the KV1, then their weaknesses would have mattered a lot less.

>>136007926
Looks a lot like a T34-KV hybrid.

>>136007360
something they stole from the brits?

>>136010604
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS#/media/File:SKS-M.png

>>136010604
>the ak is just a simplified nigger-rigged version
>it wouldnt exist without the stg
Right, because the Soviets had shown no attraction to hard-hitting high cap submachineguns until they came up against the StG

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Literally the best tanks of the war were Australian

>>136010675
>what is half automatic ak 47

>>136010713
>That's not a reply now, is it?

lmfao were you born retarded

he is making a reply to other people. that's a reply. he said he would not reply. he is replying. and in his replies he is talking about me.

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The most successful design we had that we actually deployed in combat was the Zrínyi assault howitzer. It might have been riveted, but it was reliable and performed well both as an infantry support weapon and a tank destroyer. Zrínyi crews usually had high morale, even by the end of the war.

It wasn't particularly advanced technology-wise. But it worked and it worked well.

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>>136010733
>Looks a lot like a T34-KV hybrid.
Yeah, you can clearly see how it blends Soviet mediums and where it evolves into the T-54, but it's still got that distinctive WW2 style.

I think it's one of my favourite tanks.

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