Does anyone here honestly expected people who lived as tribes

They're Marxists up until Marxism becomes actually a good theory to justify why Africans live in shit.

Of course

>>135974212
We don't expect those tribes people to ever learn anything.

>>135974363
what the fuck are you on about

>>135974445
Everyone was tribal at some point but it takes time to learn how to be advanced.

>>135974363
>They're Marxists up until Marxism becomes actually a good theory to justify why Africans live in shit.

This sentence demonstrates why your ancestors were sent to the newly discovered prison continent.

Not even clear what your point is beyond disliking Africans and Marxists.

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>>135974212
>Does anyone here honestly expect
NO, STUPID NIGGERS, WE EXPECT YOU TO DIE!

>>135974212

THESE GUYS ARE SMART

https://youtu.be/F5yb_WvWHHs?t=20m

>>135974623
Why are niggers the only one staying behind? How did chinks advance so much faster?

>>135974515
Marx believed in what's called dialectical materialism, or a study of how materials or capital relates to wealth.

He believed in stages of society, which is actually a plagiarism of Hegel itself a plagiarism of Plato's republic. Such that:
>hunter gatherers
>communistic agrarian
>feudalism
>capitalism
>socialism
>communism
Supposedly society must move in that order.

Therefore purely using Marxist reasoning if Africans were only just being introduced to agriculture it should be unreasonable to expect anything other than tribalism and primitive societies.

Lefties, only Marxists when they can use it to promote violence against anyone further right than them..

>>135974633
Neither.

I was about to explain it better, but my 4chan client autoposts if no captcha is necessary, that's why I ended with "of course" and no full stop.

>>135974952
Read germs, guns and steel.

>>135975469
no, really don't.

>>135974212
>oldest peoples on earth
>Hurr Durr you expect us to be civilized!? Are you racist?

>>135974952
china wasnt that far behind. the russian empire was a backwards as china was but you would never make that same argument against them.

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>>135974952
Genetic intelligence. Niggers stayed in africa and interbred with dumbfuck proto apes. The smart ones GTFO and made a better home elsewhere. Africa is like your shitty brother who never moved out of his mom's basement.

>>135975632
Read Germs, Guns and Steel. Maybe there was no pressure for them to change. Well, there the bantu expansion and things like the Mali Empire but now that Europeans forced them to become nations, changes are going to happen. Simulate in your head what kind of people is going to succeed and who is going to breed with whom. Do you believe that natural selection has stopped in there after the major changes?

>>135975779
Russia is also far closer to the rest of Europe and had Peter the Westaboo who began the westernization of Russia. Either way, the Rus are white and thus were destined to succeed.

>>135974984
Why the fuck you obsessed with Marxism?

That's not even the strawman you're meant to be attacking this thread.

Get yourself a better "4chan client" or better still fuck off.

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>>135975779
I think you missed his point. He's saying China has advanced much faster than Africans. Russia used to be an advanced society before commies took over. Pic related, world's first light machine gun.

>>135976161
Did you mistake my intent and then assume I was posting dumb shit? You can use Marxism to justify the African condition, you can also use Marxism to justify changing it, but earlier Marxism says it's inevitable that things only move slowly.

I'm obsessed with Marxism because it's the real evil, at least certain theories descended from it, but it all umbrellas under Marxism

I just want to give Marxists free flying lessons, is that an issue? It's free.. how can you not accept my deal?

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>>135975957
Guns, Jews, and Goyim is multicultural propaganda. EVERYONE on earth is more advanced than Africans. Hur Durr no pressure is no excuse. There's always pressure to live a better life, or create for it's own sake. That is unless you're a low IQ subhuman ape. Mali and the Bantu just go to show Africans are sadistic fucking demons. Their biggest societies could only imitate what they'd learned form arabs and meds, while being solely structured on brutal slavery.

>>135975957
>implying (((Guns, Germs, and Steel))) is an accurate and not heavily biased account of history

>>135976198
Wait, wasn't communism responsible for the industrialization of Russia? Weren't they like a bunch of peasants in a rural country? A big ass farm.

>>135976198
my point was that china had far less ground to cover in comparison with africans. china is the oldest surviving civilization. african have had none.

>>135975957
Didn't other civilizations need to deal with their own hardships? You seem to be very intent on making excuses as for why Africa is still a complete shithole.

>>135976435
>>135976453
If you go back enough whites were apes so what's your explanation for whites becoming whites and please instead of just saying it's propaganda point the flaws of the book and present your own explanation of why things like they are.

>>135975469
debunked retard or ... is this bait

>>135976435
>>135976453
Africans might be dumb but they are far from apes like you people say. You also ignore nutrition which has been shown to affect IQ and you also ignore education which people say that has no effect on IQ but have you seen white people without education and how they sound?
Also those IQ numbers they show are flawed. They weren't even tested in Africa.
>The datum that Lynn and Vanhanen used for the lowest IQ estimate, Equatorial Guinea, was taken from a group of children in a home for the developmentally disabled in Spain.[92]

Honestly when I watch footage of Africans I see people who are not very smart but I don't see an ape like you people say. I've seen Africans who have learned more than one language. Languages like Chinese. How do explain that? Even a lot of white people have trouble with that.
There are Africans billionaires. So even apes can manage to become billionaires?

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>>135976644
White skin is an adaptation to repetitive farmer diets, so no whites were always civilized.

>>135977037
I wonder if people who are against the book have even read it or just are following memes.

>>135977079
Holy shit kill yourself nigger. I'm not going to waste my time with you. Take your affirmative action niggers with you.

>>135977119
wtf are you talking about? white skin is an adapation to low sunlight. IIRC whites weren't even the first to come up with farming. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>>135977213
You sound really smart. I'm talking about natural selection and you somehow come up with affirmative action.

>>135974984
The idea that hunter-gatherers can't move straight to industrialized nation-states isn't marxist, it's that they don't have infrastructure. Slovakia's able to function because there's a common culture, roads, factories, and it's easy to collect taxes. Compare that to african countries with like 19,000 different tribes, dirt trails, huts, and fucking untraversable jungle.

>>135977119

you're stupid

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>>135974212
>Does anyone here honestly expected people who lived as tribes not so long ago
Why did they live in tribes and never advance while having abundant resources and good climate? Never discovered the wheel or created an alphabet? It's simple these people are just inferior.

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>>135977225
>IIRC whites weren't even the first to come up with farming.
If you're talking about the fertile crescent they were caucasians.

>>135976435
>the Bantu just go to show Africans are sadistic fucking demons

>lol what is Indo-Europeans

>>135977432
So what? Someone with a nazi flag talking about caucasians. Somali people are caucasian and I see people like you saying they're a plague in white countries.

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>>135974212
What I found rather funny is the fact that the entire African Union, with around 1.1 Billion people living in it and all the natural treasures Africa has to offer (mind you, this does include the North of Africa, with Marocco and Tunesia, both of which arent faring that bad) have a combined GDP that is about a Third of Germanys, 2/3 of Frances and around that of Russia, a land that has been communist for the better part of a Century.
What is also noteworthy is, that the GDP per Capita is 1/40 of that of Germany and 1/6th of that of Russia.

Now, can anyone explain to me how the fuck Africa is going to achieve anything other than SuperAids in the next Centuries, let alone achieve any form of First World level, when the entire, gigantic Continent of Africa, from Egypt to South Africa, has a total GDP of 1.971 Trillion USD, compared to Frances 2.463 Trillion.
An entire continent, whos GDP is probably boosted by the Richer States to the North, with the Actual Sub-Sahara Africa being in even worse shape, has a GDP less then a European Country with a failed Economy and an Industry in Crisis. This is the product of over half a Century of foreing Money and Donations.
The entire Continent of Africa is a burial Ground of international Aid at this point.

>>135977349
> while having abundant resources and good climate?
Maybe that's exactly the reason.

>>135977349
>abundant resources
Africa's rich in metals like bauxite and tungsten, but that stuff's difficult to get even with modern mines.
>good climate
Tsetse flies. Drought. Lack of domesticated animals.
>wheel
You're right on that one.
>never created an alphabet
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroitic_alphabet
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez

>>135976537
Every post by you gets more retarded

>>135977809
If you believe that gorilla koko has an higher IQ than a human, you're the gorilla.
btw
>The datum that Lynn and Vanhanen used for the lowest IQ estimate, Equatorial Guinea, was taken from a group of children in a home for the developmentally disabled in Spain.[92]
Watch a video of that koko gorilla and then someone from Africa. Your brain is rotten if you don't go like "bullshit".

>>135977594
>Somali people are caucasian
I don't think anyone understands what the fuck are you on about. Why did you make this thread? Are you a butthurt negroid or SJW with a bone to pick with /pol/? It's okay some niggers can rise above their nature and have intelligence comparable to a white man, but you must understand that's an exception.

>>135977963
I always love posts like these. Instead of SHOWING me that I'm a retarded dumbass nigger. You just say it instead of explaining. I love you smart you are, man. I wish I were smart as you. How can I even hope to be smart like you with all your display of intelligence?

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>>135977993
Somali are put under the Caucasian category. It's not my fault you're not aware of that fact.

>>135977964
>The datum that Lynn and Vanhanen used for the lowest IQ estimate, Equatorial Guinea, was taken from a group of children in a home for the developmentally disabled in Spain.[92]

Source please. I found several IQ sites who used similiar numbers, if this assumption is wrong I would be happy to educate myself.

>Koko has a tested IQ of 70 to 95
There are, for a fact, people on this Earth who have a lesser IQ than both these numbers.
What point are you trying to drive home?

>>135978086
Holy shit >>135977963 was right

>>135977946
>Lack of domesticated animals.
You can't possibly be serious if you're saying there were no animals in Africa for the Africans to domesticate. You think mouflons turned into sheep by magic?

>>135978318
>source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn#Reception

>>135976537
Kinda yeah

>>135974984
Marx was fat and lazy. Have you ever meet fat and lazy people? They are psychopathic lairs, and usually get jobs making up stories for Hollywood. Its just a tool belt of excuses to steal from Engels.

>>135978409
>Corrections were applied to adjust for differences in IQ cohorts (the "Flynn" effect) on the assumption that the same correction could be applied internationally, without regard to the cultural or economic development level of the country involved.

Retarded, as neither cultural nor economic development has an influence on capability in IQ Tests.
If you have taken one you will realise that they tend to test abstract thinking, logical thinking and in General do not require a ton of knowledge, evidently proven by the fact that several areas in developing countries performed better then some in developed countries, with the latter having had better access to education and other luxuries.

>>135978330
So you're saying that Stalin didn't industrialize the country?
>But considering Russia’s growth from a largely agrarian economic backwater into an industrialized power that was competing with the United States and putting humans into space in just a little over four decades, it’s worth considering whether the same result could have occurred had he never come along. The authors attempt to do this by developing a counterfactual model of how the Russian economy might have developed if it had continued on the same path it was on prior to 1918.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/04/05/would-russia-have-industrialized-without-stalin/

>>135974212
egypt was never tribes

>>135979252

you arabs are not related to ancient egyptians.

we driven out of egypt to sub-saharan africa by arabs.

>>135977946
>Africa's rich in metals like bauxite and tungsten, but that stuff's difficult to get even with modern mines.

Africa also has Gold, Diamonds, Oil and any other Mineral under the Sun, not just the super special stuff.

>Tsetse flies. Drought. Lack of domesticated animals.

Boer Farmers have managed to produce whooping Food output for Generations, nevermind these obstacles.

>Writing System
Meroitic Alphabet was based on Egyptian Hyroglyphs, as the areas in which it was used were a part of Egypt.

>Nsibidi
Kinda Cave-Painting tier, my man.

>>135979320
HOL UP

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>>135979320
kek, we have very few tribes in few places in Egypt, do u know what we call them? ARABS.
Pic related, If u are stupid enough to not get it then u dont even worth a reply

>>135979120
Of course Stalin further industrialized the country, the point is that Russia wasn't a country full of fucking farmers until Stalin. Russia's industrialization occurred under Tsarism between ~1850 and 1900 after the Crimean War when they got their shit handed to them and realized they couldn't keep relying on Western tech. By the time of the revolution about 40% of Russian workers worked in factories.

>>135974212
Umm yes
Majority of european peoples were 'tribal' not that long ago
I guess we had the luxury of not being complete fucking retards

>>135979881
>not so long ago.
Wtf? Germanics were being teached how to become civilized before christ and it took a long time until they became powerful

>>135980028
*taught
Pardon my mistakes. English isn't my first language.

>>135976198
It wasnt the first LMG it was the first Assault rifle
But i take your point

>>135980028
>took a long time until
Clearly not as long as it is taking Africans.

>>135980028
Germany was powerful, but decentralized. Where are Africa's castles and scientific monks.?

>>135976644
Divergent evolution

>>135980028
>BC era
What were we being taught, exactly?
We were getting our assess kicked and the Romans didn't try to assimilate us until way later, and it blew up in their faces

>>135980490
Dude, scramble for africa was in 1881 and 1914. Congo achieved independence like 50 years ago. Look at this and see how long Germanics were in contact with the superior civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Wars

>>135979482
>Gold, Diamonds, Oil
Like gold and diamonds are supposed to help a society get industrialized, kek.
>based on hieroglyphs
You do realize all european writing systems come from the middle east, right?
>Nsibidi
Ideographs are still a writing system, friendo. Unless Chinese doesn't count either.

>>135979320
Not true, my nigga. The Coptics, the people most related to ancient Egyptians, are middle-eastern, and ancient Egyptian was related to Arabic as an Afro-Asiatic language.

>>135980613
Romans took some of the Germanics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminius
>Arminius (18/17 BC – AD 21) was a chieftain of the Germanic Cherusci tribe who famously led an allied coalition of Germanic tribes to a decisive victory against three Roman legions in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD. A former auxiliary lieutenant to the Roman general Publius Quinctilius Varus, Arminius used his knowledge of Roman tactics to ambush and outmaneuver the legions.
Imagine this guy was an african who were trained by the french and did something similar
>Niggers got no loyalty
>You can try to civilize niggers and they'll turn on you

>>135980613
Caesar sound just like pol but instead of black people his target was germanics.
>Caesar described the cultural differences between the Germanic tribesmen, the Romans, and the Gauls. He said that the Gauls, although warlike, could be civilized, but the Germanic tribesmen were far more savage and were a threat to Roman Gaul and so had to be conquered

>>135980824
>Like gold and diamonds are supposed to help a society get industrialized, kek.

Having access to only one of these things and exploiting them can make a nation rich. Arabia turned from Sand Huts to what it is today with the help of Oil.

>You do realize all european writing systems come from the middle east, right?
>The Middle East is Africa lmao

Jokes aside, there have been several Alphabets in Europe. Also the Phoenician Alphabet, which is probably what you are referring to, was that of a Mediterranian Culture, more European then what we today know as the Middle East.

>Ideographs are still a writing system, friendo. Unless Chinese doesn't count either

I wasnt talking about it being Ideographic, friendo. I was talking about it being on the Same Level as Cave Painting, in terms of Use, abstraction and material it was used on.
Also Chinese was a bit more advanced, dont you think?

>>135980716
Scramble for Africa? Are you telling me Africa had no contact with Europe before 1881? How do you explain South America being centuries ahead of Africa? How do you explain the slave trade, or the Ottoman Empire?

Eventually you're going to run out of excuses for your African friends.

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>>135974212

>>135975957
Stop shilling that book you mong.

>>135974212
>Does anyone here honestly expected people who lived as tribes not so long ago
>honestly expected people who lived as tribes
>people

Well that's a bit of a stretch

>>135981389
I think that Africans are lower IQ but not so low that they are animals. I think they have a spectrum of intelligence. You can see Africans who can learn languages like Chinese. They for some reason weren't forced into a pressure to become super smart. They got colonized and turned into subclass citizens. White people built infrastructure and everything but they didn't educate the tribes. They got power. Now we have people who lived as tribes not so long ago and what I think will happen is the smartest people will rise to the top and breed with the smartest with time obviously will still have the shitty people but you'll have a smart elite on top of it. Anything can happen in between: wars. diseases etc.. The smart elite will survive through all of it. Also you've got the Chinese who are marrying africans. IIRC I saw news of Ugandan men complaining that their women were fucking Chinese men.

>>135981536
Be honest. Have you ever read it? If you have can you point the flaws?

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I wish it were culture, I really do.

>>135981050
>>135981374
Yeah. We were jungle savages
But we were better savages than these mud savages ever were
We were competent metal workers. Africans could only ever figure out stone spear tips and wooden shields

Face it. Nigs are just fucking plain stupid, and don't know how to manage resources

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Here, have some Rhodesian history while I'm here

>>135981942
I didn't read all of that shit but the richest man in Africa is worth 16 billion dollars and he only invests in his country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRBGX59O-gg
He only seems to be investing more and more and diversifying his shit. If that's an ape I want to be an ape.

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>>135974212
We were conquerors not the red cross, why did you expect us to bother teaching people who can't even shit in a hole properly ?
They should be grateful for what we've left them with, if they were any smart they should've asked for some kind of subjugation/satellite status instead of full independence to continue having support and grow like other states in Asia, but of course niggers are fucking stupid.

The basic prescription for African countries to dig themselves out of hell is the same as the basic prescription for every country that wants to dig themselves out of hell. Do not control each other, do not steal from each other, do not use social pressure to extract gifts from people, do not use bribes to extract favors from people, do not lie to people, do not harm people who say things you don't want to hear.

>>135982309
I just watched that documentary today. I saw that many people there were dumb but the African who was following him seemed to be very smart. He speaked French, English, Chinese and Swahili while that chinese guy only seemed to complain. The African guy also seemed to win arguments against him all the time and he also seemed to help in negotiations. That Chinese guy also talked to Eddy like he was the sole responsible for the shit that happened in Congo. Everytime Eddy pressed him he caved. Like when Eddy said people were saying he wasn't efficient.

>>135974212

No, they either shouldn't have been colonised at all (my opinion) or they should have been colonised for at least a few centuries

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>>135974212
japan did it.

they even beat the russian empire in the russo japanese war over 100 years ago.

>>135982309
Continuing:
You can't expect people who lives as tribes to be smart. If you were smart you were realize this. Infrastructure is useless if people don't know how to use it or take care of it. Nowadays Chinese are being rough but at least they are TRADING with them and also trying to educate them even if they have only their interest in mind. Europeans went there and took it and then left without trying to better the people. Btw the image you posted is after he accepts that Eddy was doing his job but the guy on the other end isn't answering the phone. Every time he played tough with Eddy and Eddy came back with arguments he looked just like that.

>>135982567
It wasn't about intelligence but difference in values, the chinese have a strong work ethic and want to get the job done as efficiently and fast as possible, all the while the locals just wanted to work the bare minimum required for their wages and drink all day.
Even his translator was way more eager to team up with the locals and fuck with Chinaman even more than to actually take his side and tell the guys to fucking take this seriously.

>>135981381
And they are exploiting them. Many countries in Africa are experiencing record economic growth right now. Just you see.

Phonecian, though, comes from the Demotic script of Egypt, which comes from hieroglyphs.

About use and abstraction, I agree with you. On material, fuck, they didn't have papyrus my friend.

>>135983108
That wasn't what I got. I got that the translator was one the side of the Chinese. See that scene where he makes sure the guy is Kenyan instead of Congolese and tells the guy that if he fucks up he is going to get deductions. He also says "This is a fucked up placed. It's not like back home" When he bad mouthed him I think he was just playing to negotiate to gain the trust. He even says "he is seems grumpy but that is only his personality" about the chinese in the beginning.

>>135983094
Educate them ? Everything that required specialized work they've brought a specialist for, the locals were just used to dig holes and carry rocks.
Not any different than the sort of work they would be doing under colonial rule, only this time they're being paid for it.

it needs to be balkanized

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>>135977169

It's not taken seriously anymore because it's outdated. Books like Why The West Rules For Now cover the same topic but way more in depth.

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>>135977432

They were Semites you dumb nazi faggot.

>>135974515
tribalism is similar to communism

>>135983906
It basically already is considering the majority of it is uninhabitable.

>>135974212
ITT OP pretends to actually understand Africa in hopes that /pol/ will do his homework for him.

>>135976430
Cause OP is a retard who actually believes that some sort of Flynn Effect is going to save Africa from itself (it's not, they're subhumans)

>>135974212
Research "Flynn effect debunked"
Africans will always be niggers. Get over it. The only reason they're marginally better now is whites are propping them up. They can't even move beyond wood as a primary resource when we spoon feed them why it's bad to rely on heavily, and give them the alternative sources.

>>135983108
Cultural values are downstream of intelligence son....

>>135977594
>Somali are Caucasian.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. You need a bullet to the skull, kid

>>135986118
Caucasiod != white
just because they are not white doesn't mean they are negroid

>>135974212
>Does anyone here honestly expected people who lived as tribes not so long ago to magically learn everything there is to running a country in less than 100 years
I don't

I agree it can hardly be expected that they can do this when they have lived in tribal societies before colonialism

>>135974212
>tfw now i can pinpoint exactly where on the map Chad is.