Why is fascism so attractive to a significant portion of

deep down they know their ideology is a joke and they were only latching onto it for emotional reasons

>>135967834
nice

a wise leaf is a rare thing indeed

>>135967679
Because they hate the current system and will back any comer who has a chance to take it out.

Except commies.

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>>135967679
They are smart enough to realize Marxists just won't leave them alone, therefore violating the NAP.

>>135967968
yes, but r/t_d meme spewing newfags are not

>>135967679

Because a fascist is just a scared libertarian.

>>135967679
'cause eventually they realize that Libertarianism can only work in white nations where only self-sufficient white men vote

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>>135967679
Because its willing kill communists, but that's why we have Hoppean libertarianism and National Capitalism.

>>135968157
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>>135967679
They are identical in purpose the only difference is their ideas about the state. Fascists think the state is necessary to achieve their goals, libertarians think the state is the thing that prevents them from reaching their goals. Other than their ideas on the state the two philosophies are basically identical.

Libertarian is for edgy kids who are too scared to go full fucking racist and redpilled

>>135967834
Funny how that also applies to the "fascists" you can talk to around here

It's almost as if it's the case for all fanatical bc teenagers latch on to

>>135968157
frick of you big gommie peepee brain

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>>135968157
Surprisingly accurate. Much like the relation between ancom and regular communism.

they want to be free but want to control other people

>>135968325
Fascism and Libertarianism is an entirely different worldview. Fascism/NS has the end goal of an organic state, while Libertarianism by principle doesn't wish to achieve this

>>135967834
>cucknada talking about jokes
Killing your soldiers with grenades is more lucrative than serving.

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>>135967679
Everyone wants to be a libertarian on the 'right' at some point. The problem is that it's impossible to deal with many issues with libertarianism, whereas Fascism is purpose built to counter those issues.

Libertarianism basically expanded degeneracy to a point of total social decay, now it's up to fascists to counter that. Someday libertarianism might be in the cards-but we're a long way off.

>>135967679
Because it can get to where we want to go without waiting around for the free market to take us there.

Guilty pleasure, you shouldn't but it's so tempting

>>135968523
I already covered you here:
>>135968134
dont forget to kys

>>135967679
https://archive.fo/wh0Si#selection-231.569-238.0

>>135968351
You realize that since the 50s the AnCap movement has been led by Holocaust Revisionists and racialists who believe in segregations of the races right? Rothbard allied himself with David Duke and Harry Elmer Barnes (one of the first Holocaust Revisionists). Fascists fall for Jewish tricks to easily and think that the ideologies are opposing but most AnCaps know better. Why we can't get you people to see the truth is beyond me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard

Read the parts of Rothbards wiki page on historical revisionism and also the part on race, gender, and civil rights. If you think AnCaps aren't redpilled you have your head up your ass. Gary Johnson Libertarians are another topic though and we don't accept them as our own.

>>135967679

At the end of the day they realize people need guidance in their life. A Loltarian society would devolve into an SJW Degenerate shithole every time, without fail.

>>135967679
im pretty libertarian OP but i do recognize a lot of the problems with it.

right libertarianism doesn't really have those problems though. we're the ones who invented the helicopter meme

>>135967679
Because of alpha males.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTyQgwVvYyc

>>135968705
Fascism/NS is more than Holocaust revisionism and racialism. Do you realize most hardcore liberals a few hundred years ago would be considered extremely racist to this day?

>>135968705
wtf I love jews now, it's not like ancap/libertarianism is the perfect goy ideology for them or anything

>>135967679

Its the logical conclusion when they extrapolate on a national and international level their desire to keep and protect their rights and property.

Because libertarians are starting to realize that without a homogenous population, their ideology leads to nothing but degeneracy and slow ruin.

>hating immigration and cultural marxism is the same as being attracted to 1488, centralized government, and beurcratic dick sucking

this meme need to die. Back when /pol/ was only paranoid libertarians and stormfags it was understood that the left right paragrim was bullshit. Now its "lol you hate marxist and neocons and love your heritage and western civilization you're totally a fashy goy like me XDDD"

>>135968487
Again I said the one difference is how they view the state. Which is what you referred to. Beyond that both Fascists and AnCaps want a militaristic, homogeneous, hierarchal aristorcratic society that is free from the Jewish banking cabal known as Fractional Reserve Central Banking. If you have any difference between the two other than their view on the state please tell me. Fascists just use the state to ensure those things which AnCaps think the state is incapable of doing. Its one difference that separates them on all issues but they each are trying to create the same kind of society with the same kind of ethos.

>>135967679

ethnostate first

libertarianism after

It can only possibly work in a homogenous society .

>>135968863
You're fucking retarded. If ancap was the perfect goy ideology it would be shilled on CNN daily.

>>135968817
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>>135968705
Rothbard is the sell your children because they are your property guy. He had a few good ideas and helped set up the von mises institute in Auburn but he is like a hyperjewed ancap caricature. I mean he wanted actual judge dredds walking around.

>>135967679
They love the idea of having the authority to immediately solve problems.

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>>135968863
>it's not like ancap/libertarianism is the perfect goy ideology for them or anything
That would be communism and neoliberalism. Jews hate the free market.

>>135967679
There's a limit to how much treading you can take before you flip your shit, and you know the marxist will come for you too.
If we take people at their word, if they say we're going to the gulag of friendship, isn't self defense legitimate?

>>135969042
You are making fucking shit up, those are not tenants of AnCap. Sure, some within that worldview may believe in those tenants, but they aren't inherently part of AnCap

Also, Fascism is ONLY concerned with upholding truth and the cosmic order, and will use any tool to achieve this

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>>135967679
Libertarianism is a sort of position they've been backed into, whether consciously or not, as just another means of white flight.
They realize at some level that all facets of the system are against them, so having no system, or a minimal system is away to escape the nigger tax without appearing racist.
That's why white nationalism is the progression past libertarianism for so many.
Once they realize that the flaws with ancap as well as the much greater flaws with the system they're currently trapped inside are both taken care of if they were living in an all white country, there's not really any coming back from that ideologically.

>>135967679
because libertarianism only works in homogeneous societies

>>135967679
When a libertarian gets cut, a fascist bleeds.

The past 8 years were not kind to libertarians.

>>135967679
The realisation that libertarianism is simply not possible whilst the enemy lives.

>>135967679
We are smart enough to realize a libertarian order won't work in a heterogeneous society.
Non whites are more interested in gibs than liberty.
>obligatory #notall

>>135969126
His views on children were that they are property of their parents until they are self-sufficient. The selling your kids thing was so people could buy children from degenerates in the hopes of saving them from their degenerate parents. Do you really think degenerates should breed and be parents?

>>135968925
You guys keep saying this, but if you have an ultra individualist society you are just going to end up ruining it again.

>>135969070
Obviously they would rather have the strongest gov under their control than have one ancap state dumbass.
>>135969165
dumbest post in the thread, free markets have no defense against nepotism/cronyism/corporatism/oligopoly
why do you think jews conquered america?

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>>135968396

is that a ruger 10/22?

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>>135969492
>free markets have no defense against nepotism/cronyism/corporatism/oligopoly
Of course they do, they have competition, why do you think the Jews have fought and continue to fight against economic competition? They advocate for more government control over the economy, because they are the ones subverting the government, and they can use they're control to beat down those who would take away their power.

>>135969253
Ok, so every major AnCap writer believes in these tenants so how that isn't a part of AnCap is beyond me. That being said AnCaps also believe in natural hierarchies. Just read Hoppe, thats in almost every single work he has ever made. AnCaps think that it is the state that breaks up the natural hierarchies, but fascists think the state is necessary to protect these natural hierarchies. I'm assuming when you say that Fascism is only concerned with upholding truth and the cosmic order you are saying something similar to natural hierarchies.

>>135969680
cool so explain to me how competition beats an oligopoly

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>>135967679

Because they still have a rage against degeneracy and libertarian provides no tools to correct it.

http://thermidormag.com/the-whore-enthroned/

For the man, the virtues of the warrior and the priest. For the woman, the virtues of the lover and the mother. Notice that all four of these virtues has a black mirror, an inversion that represents its nadir. For the man, the evils of the coward and the hedonist. For the woman, the evils of the adulterer and the child-killer. These represent the explicit rejections of the virtues attainable to men and women.

If you’ve ever wondered why religions tend to speak more harshly about the adultery of women, this is the reason. Not ‘sexism’ of the infantile kind that is proposed by scholars today, but an understanding of how nakedly evil adultery is in women. The significance of being a child-killer is also underlined by the fact that while murders, in general, are usually committed by men, the one subset of murders in which women routinely supersede men, is the murder of children in the primary years of care (this does not factor in abortion).

Civilization exists to punish cowards, hedonists, adulterers, and child-killers. If these necrotic influences are unchained, they corrupt the hearts of men and speed society to its quick destruction. The numeric account of the death of civilizations is wholly inadequate, for it is quality which has reign over quantity in every sphere that is not the perverted mind of the Modern. Men are in every case the lawgivers and prime movers of society. Due to dependence, they not only decide upon the restraints of their vices but upon those of womankind as well.

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>>135969492
>You guys keep saying this, but if you have an ultra individualist society you are just going to end up ruining it again.

Here's the thing about white people, they have this sort of cosmic sense of justice and doing the right thing that other races don't really have.
You could have a country with ZERO welfare system, ZERO foodstamps, and nobody would starve to death if it was a 100% white country.
The whites would set up charities, soup kitchens, etc with money that was donated voluntarily.

All that being said, I'm not a libertarian, but I can see why white people would want to become libertarians, and why a libertarian white country would be far and away superior to a non-white one.

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>>135969253
Sorry to reply twice, but this image seems to be referring to what you mean when you say upholding truth and the cosmic order. Hoppe recommends physical removal for degenerates. Tell me how this differs from the ethos of fascism or give me an example where the two ideologies diverge other than their view on the state.

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>>135969773
As soon as the oligopoly starts to abuse their status as one of the few businesses left then other businesses can come in and compete by offering lower prices than the oligopoly. There's never been a business too big to fail except when the government ensures that it can't fail, heck there have been 8 bailouts by the Federal Government since 2000 alone.

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>>135968037

this desu

people just pretend to be ancaps because no one wants welfare when niggers are taking it. Ancap in the streets, Nazi in the sheets

A true libertarian society is about as attainable as a commie utopia. It doesn't take into account all the things necessary to achieve it and maintain it. Like physical removal and rwds.

>>135967679
>libertarians
Because eventually they realize that it's the family, not the individual that is the smallest unit of what makes up a nation. That eventually force will be needed to destroy and expel those that would do that to us.

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>>135967679
fascism is action, libertarianism is passivity

>>135967679

Because its fucking edgy

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>>135967679
You need Fascism to eventually have a Libertarian society. Libertarianism doesn't have the punch Fascism does in this marxist hell we call the modern West.

>>135967679
Gotta pay for the free helicopter rides somehow.

>>135967679
Because we have been stepped on

t. classical school

>>135969897
good post

>>135968174
DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER

It's an ideology that can only be handled by whites, some east Asians and browns on the right side of the bell curve. It's a best case scenario form of government and a fascist state is the only way to make that possible

>>135967679
Serious answer? Doubt anyone will read it but I'll try.

The left/right paradigm works only when you interpret it as follows: LEFT = egalitarian, RIGHT = hierarchy. Most, at least most Americans, consider LEFT = bigger government, RIGHT = less government. This is wrong. This is why most idiots will claim that fascism is actually left wing. Once you accept the egalitarian versus hierarchy scale that thought quickly goes away.

Think about ancaps or anyone who believes in "the market". They actually favor hierarchy. In their mind, markets will create a natural hierarchy over time (on average the smartest and most able will eventually, even if it takes a few generations, be the most successful). Many ancaps will lean conservative, wanting an even more rigid social hierarchy than the market would allow. Only they ideally want that by free association. An ancap is perfectly okay with a business owner refusing to serve someone or with a plot of land that excludes newcomers. They might not personally engage in that behavior but it is completely permissable to them. Now combine that with the state of things today. Most ancaps have a european background and places like /pol/ accelerated their own personal conservative leanings. At the end of the day they know that the market will yield the highest levels of wealth for a particular country or place and that any government intervention will reduce that wealth. However, they are willing to take a cut in the society's overall wealth and prosperity so that they can bring about those dire social changes.

The smartest ancaps, not many of them I might add, actually understand there is a glaring problem with the NAP. The NAP, by most ancaps is treated as a moral or ethical rule, but in truth it only aligns with morals some of the time. This fact more or less derails the 'moral' component to choosing ancapism over fascism anyway.

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>>135970494
Also this.

>>135967679
Because every libertarian knows the only way they could possibly have such a society is with whites only

>>135968993
>This

pol is mostly nazi LARPers from reddit now

>>135968157
dis

>>135969897
great post thank you

>>135969432
>don't want the state to monetarily incentivize breeding of children
>better if rich people do it

At least the natsocs got this one right. Enslave the parents and brainwash the child.

>>135967679
It isn't, delusional bootlickers call themselves libertarians

>>135967679
cause fash dadddy hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_QnE9-iK80

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>>135967679
Pic related explains it better than any argument ever could.

t. fashy libertarian

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>>135968157
bullshit, one would never identify as the other

>>135967679
>fascism
>libertarians
They never really were.

Like the so called conservative libertarians.

>>135970705
The NAP is the problem in multiculturalism as ''certain cultures'' favour aggression to peace.

>>135967834
This

>>135970920
This desu

>>135967679
Because we're done being nice and trying to convince people with logic and reason, when they themselves dont understand such concepts.

A nigger, commie, anarchist, etc. Will only nod their head and pretend to comprehend so when you let your guard down, they can stab you in the back.

I used to be for open borders until I realized how dangerous the left is and why they need to be purged from humanity.

>>135970379
Nah, I still think socialism is retarded. And before you go "muh not real socialism", if it's got wealth redistribution, it's socialism.

>>135970011
this white glorification is really childish and wrong, the most basic problem is environmental factors change genetics so your premise will be false eventually, next whites aren't one ethnic group and behaviors vary significantly from north/south/russian(apparently they're white now)/italian(them too) etc. Also you can look anywhere in history and see yourself wrong.

>>135970305
So if the oligopoly doesn't abuse competition can't do anything? This is the standard ancap line to deflect the blame to the government. If you actually attempt to quantify the details it becomes absurd, abuse for example would have to qualify as abuse to a significant amount of people. And that won't happen, how do I know? Because barely anyone even qualifies current government actions as abuse so why would they care about private company abuse ie everyone still shops at walmart.

What is actually happening ist through cronyism or natural barriers or simply early market dominance they form monopolies and then they use the government to increase barriers to entry to prevent competition. The only thing that would change if you took out the government is increasing the amount of mafias.

>>135967679

i would argue that facism is less a firm political philosophy and more of a response to the degredation of culture. it's far less important to push for libertarian ideas when a bunch of niggers are actively undermining your cultural framework.

Not for nothing, but many Libertarians have done military service and understand there's a time a place for fascist rule. Fighting an enemy for example.

>>135967679
Because we only pretended to be libertarians as a means to an end with the end being fascism. There is noting close to fascism that is acceptable and libertarianism for some time was the "closest". It's no longer socially unacceptable to hide it anymore though. Besides, libertarianism was invented by a kike. It's a kike "ideology" and belongs in the ovens along with all the other kike "ideologies" and socio-political "philosophy". Marxism, objectivism, libertarianism... none of these are goyim ideologies. They're all invented by jewish sociopaths whose desire is to enslave us.

>>135971029
It could be a serious problem when taking demographics into account. But superior wealth, intelligence, and technology would trump demographic issues in a conflict.

The problem with the NAP is that most libertarians and ancaps treat it as a moral rule. However, if you put it to the test, it clearly does not work as a moral rule. The initiation of force is not always wrong. Here's a stupid example but it illustrates the point pretty well: a man is told that if he does not slap his neighbor a nuke will hit his neighborhood. Stupid, I know but let's think about this. Either you violate the NAP and save a bunch of lives or you don't and the whole neighborhood dies. The moral option is pretty clear, slap the shit out of that dude and save everyone. But in an ancap world you'd still be violating the NAP and you'd still be subject to arbitration by your neighbor if he so chose. There are many cases like this, where the NAP can be in conflict with 'common sense' morals and yet those who chose to do good in an ancap society can be punished.

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>>135971282
>So if the oligopoly doesn't abuse competition can't do anything?
Pretty much, but there's no problem with an oligopoly that doesn't abuse its position. It's literally doing its job to the maximum efficiency that the job could possibly be done and offering a service that everyone wants. At that point there's no reason for anyone to want that oligopoly to go away.

>>135967679

With absolute power I could fix this shit, and I'm the only one I trust to give it all up after I'm done.

>>135971321
Exactly this. My ideal society would be authoritarian when it needs to be and libertarian when it doesn't, without ever going full totalitarian. Fascism is a self-defense mechanism.

>captcha: select all images with helicopters

>>135971282
Ethnic nationalism is a perfidious attempt to undermine the work of others. It is mixed in with the rest of conservative ideology to discredit the entire movement towards closed borders as racist.

>>135971308
Gentile kind of viewed it that way. Less of an idea and more of an action. Its a method if anything.

>>135967679
because they aren't libertarians. they don't care about free market ideals nor do they really grasp the concept of freedom.
all they want is look like they are the good ones (like commies who say they care about equality and justice) while trying to push an agenda based on their hatred of others.

it's a take over, similar to what happened to the left in the 19th century or liberals in the 20th century, just this time it's not 'marxist collectivists', but 'xenophobic collectivists'.
Just talk to them morons and they'll tell you how the working man has to be protected from cheap foreign labor. Throw them out of helicopters I say.

>>135971567
fuck off Buckley.

>>135971498
so then you cede to my point that free markets have no defense against oligopoly?
>>135971567
but isn't racist just a meaningless buzzword for stupid people?

>>135971410
It is easier to undermine the NAP just by assuming a group of moral nihilists forms in a neighbour hood. Just like Molyneux's (((universallty preferable behaviour))) falls down.

>>135969367
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>>135971567

Libertarianism comes from stable societies,
they know Fascism will lead to a stable society
Also throwing commies out of helicopters

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>>135971714
>so then you cede to my point that free markets have no defense against oligopoly?
Free markets have no defense against an oligopoly that is good for the people.

>>135971410
I don't think any serious and mature libertarian would fault you for initiating non-lethal force under duress to save your own life or the lives of others.

Come the fuck on, we're not all that autistic.

>>135967679
I was a libertarian fag. I got blackpilled from the paul combetta thing when it the whole case just disappeared.
For me as a libertarian I didn't realize how bad everything was. I didn't realize the social conditioning that was going on. When I realize that my libertarian enables faggotry and more shitskins, I realized that I side more with a form of government that serves my interests.

I just wanted free market and games, now I don't even believe in the free market anymore. I don't know what I believe.

>>135968396
are you somehow mentally handicapped? how the fuck is this accurate? fascism is non-marxist socialism build around collectivist ideals of the nation being superior to the individual. Where at all does that even remotely like anything libertarian?

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>>135971838
I'm kind of stuck also.

>>135971829
you keep using these subjective terms like abuse and good to avoid dealing with the facts

>>135971831
It was an extreme example to demonstrate the point that a clear moral good can come in conflict with the NAP. It does not always have to be a life or death situation.

The issue is not the bystanders as much as it is the guy who got slapped in the face, in his mind 'wronged'. He has a good case against me for his pain and suffering.

>>135967679
(big post, not pasta I'm just autistic 1/3)
In order to understand the appeal of Fascism to libertarians--or at least to a *transitional* stage of extreme authoritarianism, one must understand Hoppe first.

Here's the issue. When people think of Libertarians they think of small government, freedom, and most importantly democracy, but that's actually missing the point enitrely. To a libertarian of any intellectual honesty Democracy holds almost zero appeal, because Democracy actively contrasts freedom and small government.

Think about this carefully: What is Democracy? It is a bunch of people arguing over how to spend other peoples' money. A table full of thieves for whom the fact that they're going to steal your property is a given--the only question is what they intend to do with it. Making the table larger and giving more people a seat at it doesn't change the essential nature of Democracy, which is simply highly organized theft and laundering.

How is this different from feudalism? It isn't. A group of people meet in a building and talk about how they're going to spend other peoples' money. The table is bigger but the discussion is still intrinsically opposed to human liberty.

To the Libertarian in this mode Democracy *isn't* desirable, it is actually *evil.* Once you shed the illusion that Democracy is somehow more moral than autocracy (it isn't) you come to see the world very differently. Democracy is actually antithetical to Libertarianism, a Libertarian society would be one in which ALL policy decisions are made by agreement, and parties who disagree CANNOT be coerced, they must be allowed to do as they will. If 3,000,000 people want 20% of your income to build a road, you can simply say "no," and if they want to forbid you to use the road, they can.

>>135970709
>Protestant Anglo-Saxon society
Define Protestant. Are we talking the CoE or something else entirely? Because a lot of Anglicans are pretty staunchly liberal these days and it's absolutely disgusting. What is the most based protestant denomination?

>>135967679
Whites want welfare programs, but blacks have the monopoly on gibmedats, so they hide their welfare programs behind ethnosomethingoranother.

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>>135972068
This is such a radical departure from Democratic ideology that it requires a total reassessment of one's perception of states. Then you realize that there is a difference between autocracy and democracy: Autocracy reduces the number of people allowed to steal from you from 360,000,000... To 1. The Fuhrer, the Great Leader, is the only thief left, and he is one man. He can be reasoned with. He can be benevolent. He could even be... A Libertarian.

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>>135971766
That's because societies fluctuate and seem to be subject to Aristotle/Platos "regimes". The libertarian golden age would probably fit under the benevolent rule and peace that comes with the top where as the need for fascism comes at the end/bottom the "tyranny" as a way of reinstituting the golden age.

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>>135972141
And THAT is the appeal. That is why we try to befriend Fascists, because we hope that if we do, if we throw in with Fascism, someday, after all the Jews and Niggers and Spics are exterminated or whatever, maybe, just maybe, one of us will be able to reach Pinochet Mussolini Franco McHitler and explain the NAP to him, and maybe, with all the evils in the world smashed already, he might listen. It is easier to explain high-minded ideals to a single man who loves his people than it is to explain it to Congress. Even Hitler called himself a Libertarian, he genuinely believed that with the insidious influence of the Jew eliminated he would be able to free his people. National Socialism was not an end-goal but a transitional period out of Weimar into a beautiful future of liberation.

This is why it is essential to the enemy that we be divided, but it is also why this alliance is perfect: The only group of people in the West who simply cannot be manipulated are Fascists. The sort of person who goes full 14/88 is a person so emboldened against the influence of the Jews, the media and the globalist agenda that he simply cannot be turned, no matter how hard they work or how much propaganda they pump into the system it always works against them. The only people who can even TALK to Fascists are Libertarians, because we are treated the same way, we know your pain and your hatred, and while our goals are different long-term, our immediate goals are identical and we don't want our kids to have their dicks chopped off and be poisoned by kike filth and propaganda any more than you do.

We are the tattered outlaws of the Earth, as Chesterton said. Created by ancient crooked will we are scourged equally by every whipping arm on the planet, but like the donkey, however ignoble, obnoxious and despised we are, it is WE who will carry Christ across palm leaves, not them. We are their only hope and they despise us for it.

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>>135971990
You're the one assuming that oligopolies are "bad" all the time.

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This place is still a haven for Ron Paul enthusiasts.

Ron Paul got hit with a media blackout in 2008 and 2012. (((They))) showed us that it wasn't a fair game through their treatment of Ron Paul. He had all the grassroots support in the world and it didn't matter to the game.

Well all those supporters didn't just wither up and die. Trump came along and his loudmouth, vulgarity, celebrity background was impossible to blackout. In 2008 and 2012, they knew that Ron Paul on open platform would demolish the opposition, but in 2016 they believed that Trump would be a perfect dummy setup to knockdown for a Hillary win. So this time they said "please! go ahead!"

Their mistake, Trump had way more bite. It all backfired and they lost control. The world got woke on Nov. 8th with his election. All those lying media and their 99% Hillary win projections were suddenly naked for all to see.

Now, Trump's White House Administration in places like the Office of Management and Budget review the congressman's proposed bill's and find every section that talks about Grants or discretionary spending and just puts a big fat X through it- just like Ron Paul always said he would have. First thing Trump did in office was put through his 2 regulations struck down for every new 1, just like Ron Paul would have.

Ron Paul is the heart of America. But the Heart is soft, and the game is rigged. So Trump came along as a big orange bag of dicks playing 4D chess in Ron Paul's place.

Fascism is the reactionary response of Libertarians who get tread upon.

>>135971278
I don't want wealth redistribution, but I will except taxes for a stronger government that represents my and mine kind's interests.

But, at the same time, I'm fine with a hypernationalistic economy where corporate interests are subordinate to the nation's interests.

>>135972139
>implying white rednecks aren't a huge chunk of welfare recipients
I've seen plenty of white folk in my day that every bit as degenerate, disgusting, and vile as any nigger.

>>135968396
Why is she lugging around a 10/22, is she hunting squirrel in a urban area?

>>135972233
>moving the goalposts
I don't mind though, name me one oligopoly/monopoly that you like, one that isn't still in market domination stages like amazon/steam.

Its like Hoppean "gated communities" are just tiny countries.

>>135972451
does it look like shes hunting squirrels?

>>135967679
Because libertarians recognise the flaws in their beliefs in that it's highly susceptible to outside infiltration and subversion from large scale groups with the specific intent on doing so.

Libertarians and by extension an-caps are willing to support a Pinochet style Authoritarian government, for two reasons; No nonsense approach to those attempting to undermine the system makes up for the known weakness and the condition that it's a temporary last resort measure, which has evidence in actually happening through Pinochet's rule eventually returning to a democracy once the socialist elements were largely removed from power and the country re-stabilised.

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>>135972451
Fucking hell, why is that the ONLY question I ever get on that pic? It's never "hey, why do you have a pic of an anime school shooting?", it's always about the fucking ruger 10/22.

>>135968602
>the problem is that it's impossible to deal with many issues with libertarianism

that too is a completely wrong assumption. the problem is that you can not think of anything but to control others. The libertarian solution is 'I don't care. Let them figure it out on their own. With time the best solution will emerge'.

>Libertarianism basically expanded degeneracy to a point of total social decay

libertarianism doesn't tell you to have no values or goals. that's the domain of the left. a free society actually demands from you to have values, because without your lost.

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>>135967679
Because they realize that libertarianism is impossible without closed boarders and and upstanding citizenry (white)

>>135972549
why do you have a pic of an anime school shooting?

>>135967679
>Because

To nog is niggers call,
And jewing is for jew.
Might as well kill them all
And start anew.

>>135969050
this

>>135969538
10/22 is actually BASED, unlike le baste niggers xd

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I'm not a big Cantwell fan but he said it best. We tried it our way and got shit on. Now we're doing it your way. And we're better at it.

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>>135972458
>name me one oligopoly/monopoly that you like
Disney.

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>>135972416
That is precisely what he was saying.

However, the ratio of white welfare recipients is far lower, relative to population, and there are actually whites whose case for welfare is legitimate.

A good example of this is that there are cities whose economies have been destroyed by government policies. Pic related, Owesley county Kentucky is the single poorest place in America, but it is poor BECAUSE the retarded communists who took over the US in 2008 made most of their industries unprofitable via regulation.

When the government comes in and tells you that doing your job is illegal and puts you in jail if you try to do it profitably, obviously you end up poor. Obviously the solution is to dissolve that legislation, but of course they aren't going to do that, that would involve the state relinquishing power which it will never do willingly. So a close second is ensuring that the people destroyed by these laws are at least not starved to death.

This is probably the single best case for the existence of any welfare whatsoever, if through no fault of their own peoples' jobs are eliminated by the government (and thus by society's vote) then society is ethically obligated to furnish their expenses until such a time as new employment can be found.

>>135967679
Because both options are a better alternative to what we have now. In both societies, the strongest are incentivized to stay on top, so it prevents the dumbing down and the weakening of the population.

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>>135967679
Read Hoppe.

Libertarianism is the next stage after the fascist revolution. After the nigs, Marxists, and degenerates are killed/removed, a libertarian sub-culture will form among enlightened whites, allowing for moral capitalism.

A true ubermensch doesn't need a state to tell him what to do.

>>135972549
Because a .22 can't kill shit unless you are extremely accurate.

>>135972631
Because only in fantasy you would use a Ruger for such a job?

>>135972817
what like 2 good films since 2000 and ruined star wars, all you proved is your pleb taste mate

>>135967834
A fascist state is the only way to purge society correctly. A white ethno-state will pave the way for a libertarian society, which is the only way it can really survive at that.

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>>135973012
The worlds pleb taste, you mean, because people continue to go see their movies in droves.

>>135967679
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism

>>135972901
well said

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>>135973012
>ruined star wars
The Prequels killed star wars lad

>>135973121
the world is 7.5 billion brown people dude

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>>135973382
You know damn well Disney would be making profits even if it banned all non-whites from theaters.

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>>135970707
>Falling for the marxist propaganda in that Nazis are right wing.

Nazis are socialists who disagreed with Marx's idea of "Worker's of the world unite" and instead wanted to unite in their specific nations. Hence "National" designation in "National Socialism".

Nazis are lefties who would be the one of the first to get the helicopter rides.

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>>135973647
https://pastebin.com/wV97RYQT

>>135967679
Because quite simply. The smarter "Libertarians" always wanted Fascism anyway. They recognize that any system the Libertarian ideology would create will inevitably devolve into one or more fascist dictatorships in which they hope to hold a very high rank because they were prepared for that shit.

>>135972942
you literally sound like a communist. "We abolish the state by giving him more and more power over our lives. Surely the government will voluntary cease to exist that way."

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>>135972806
Get on my level, bro.

>>135973647
Nah they can go live in a corner until their economic model fails and they embrace markets. They'll come around.

>>135973072
>purge society
>evil people hold us back from utopia
>we need giant oppressive state

you too are communist tier.

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>>135973940
Damn, I'm so close.

>>135967679
I think you're overstating and exaggerating the amount of libertarians being attracted to fascism. It's mostly libertarians being generally attracted to nationalism than specifically fascism. One reason being that most don't convert to fascism is due to economic policy. Generally libertarians have went toward placing western culture first (American values mostly; not euro (((values)))), nation before other nations, selective immigration, etc. More emphasis has also been placed to fight against racism against whites since it became more prevalent recently. Still fascist will grow out of it since many are still young. Eventually they'll just become conservative like most young people do in fringe groups. It's a phase of being young and ambitious toward trying to make significant changes to the world. They'll just settle down and retain some of the values they obtained like everyone else does.

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>>135971905
I don't know, all I can tell you is that I used to be an ancap, I listened to molymeme every day for 3 years and read his books, I worshiped the nap, and laughed at the left when they warned people that the step from libertarianism to fascism is a very small, and easy step to take.

Then all of a sudden I was a fascist/natsoc.

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>>135973907
>Social equity
>Not understanding the concept of scarcity

It's socialism for white people, you dipshit. The entire concept of the welfare state that Hitler created is based on the belief that all people should be equal, regardless of individual attributes. Which has it's roots embedded in Marxist thought and communism.

>>135973579
it wasn't literal man, I was just trying to point out your appeal to majority. Even the majority of whites are dumb

>>135973907
yak yak yak, and yet somehow you get:

>During the 12 years of the Third Reich, government ownership expanded greatly into formerly private sectors of strategic industries: aviation, synthetic oil and rubber, aluminum, chemicals, iron and steel, and army equipment. The capital assets of state-owned industry doubled during this same period, whereby the nationalization caused state-ownership of companies to increase to over 500 businesses.[40] Further, government finances for state-owned enterprises quadrupled from 1933 to 1943

and by the way, the privatisation of dresdner, deutsche and the other banks, was for the purpose of hiding huge ass inflation. the nazis were your general run of the mill socialists, just like in venezuela. if they'd have more time you would have seen the same poverty and famines that plague every socialist shithole.

>>135974073
>the communists think there are bad people in the world and want to do something about them
>so do you!!!
>you're all the same!!!!!
faggot

>>135970920
This.

>>135967679
Fascism is really the only way to achieve libertarianism

>>135974645
perhaps maybe because Nazi Germany was in a state of Total War?

I'm sorry, but I cannot judge an entire political and economic ideology off of the hardships they faced while being in a Total War mindset.

Perhaps look at the Ancient Roman Empire for a better understanding of what most Fascists/NatSocs here want, the support for Hitler is just because of the contemporary historical aspects and the fact Nazi Ideology would have theoretically prevented the fall of Rome.

>hurr durr your system didnt work
that doesn't mean we can't fix it, and unlike leftist socialist types we are more than aware of the challenges we face with our specific dogma, and are willing to make adjustments to ensure its success. Ancap is a nice sentiment, but it argues that a healthy body with a strong immune system is ultimately less important than a body the owner enjoys.

Ancap is the "no fat shaming!" of political ideologies.

Libertarianism is trash. I don't know how they can justify the current state of corporations pushing all kinds of degeneracy in our throats. It's cancer.

>>135972949
or if you use it as it's used in the pic: i.e. pumping 7 rounds into every perp you see. That would be an appropriate use of a .22

>>135975161
This. In order to have a truly moral society, you need a state that can control the corporations and keep them from increasing social degeneracy for profit. Libertarianism is not the end goal of Fascism, morality and purity are. Libertarianism is, at it's core, a whole cloth rejection of the things we, as conservatives, value most.

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>>135974645
>During the 12 years of the Third Reich, government ownership expanded greatly into formerly private sectors of strategic industries: aviation, synthetic oil and rubber, aluminum, chemicals, iron and steel, and army equipment. The capital assets of state-owned industry doubled during this same period, whereby the nationalization caused state-ownership of companies to increase to over 500 businesses.[40] Further, government finances for state-owned enterprises quadrupled from 1933 to 1943
>strategic industries
Yeah, he wanted to rebuild Germany's army so they could actually defend themselves.
>the privatisation of dresdner, deutsche and the other banks, was for the purpose of hiding huge ass inflation
proofs? You niggers make this claim all the time but never source it properly. The only thing I found was that they forced the banks to stop usury and that they occasionally made the banks do stuff like invest money.
>>135974511
>The entire concept of the welfare state that Hitler created is based on the belief that all people should be equal, regardless of individual attributes.
Not at all. Hitler didn't force the heads of businesses that were good for Germany to redistribute all their wealth. People could still be rich in Nazi Germany.

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>>135969383
I don't know how i feel about being put in a box. On one hand I'm happy others understand me. On the other I don't like thinking I'm not in control of my own choices.
They said Republicans were alienating libertarians. Fucking kike 101, accuse the opponent of your own misdeed.
The libertarian to reactionary shift is real. There's only one path to peace, there's only one truth.

This is the best post on this entire board right now.

>>135967679
it's a means to an end

>>135974511
There should be a third box called fairness and it's the mirror opposite of equity

>>135968602
Economic libertarianism must PRECEDE cultural libertarianism! Natural law includes natural mechanisms for keeping degeneracy in check, but they vanish when the free market does!

>>135976160
...but legalize drugs, seriously! The legalization of drugs is one of those free market checks against degeneracy. Hard drugs are a trap to catch and destroy the unworthy.

>>135975784
Getting a niche movement out of an already niche movement isn't a significant shift.

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>>135974564
I just don't see how breaking up Disney into a bunch of tiny companies would help this. All the tiny companies are gonna be just as pandering to the majority as Disney is.

>>135967679
Libertarians tend to be super traditional
Fascism in the modern US is essentially "return to 1776"

>>135974443

I never listened to moly. Mostly because he gives me a really uneasy feeling when he talks. I always had the impression that the thing he sold wasn't any idea or viewpoint, but himself.

I could try and rationalise you as never being ancap in the first place, and maybe I'd be right or not, but I think that's an unfair assumption to make because I don't know you. But may I ask you, did you ever think about the basics of complex dynamic note based systems and their behaviour? (Because as autistic as it sounds, that lead me to become an tardcap)

>>135970305
Who wants to start a by-mail book distribution service?
And anyone want to take bets how well we do?

>>135972817
>Disney.
Fucking ancap levels of retardation. But it's good to know that my comparison of ancapism with Frozen was spot on.

Because every Ancap is also simultaneously a Fascist because we will need fascism to establish our ideology. The ones that cuck them selves out of Ancap will just get the helicopter as they are traitors

>>135976832
>libertarianism
>traditional
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>135972942
There is no such thing as moral capitalism. Capitalism is simply 'personal interest' and as such even the marxists and feminists are abiding by the terms of capitalism. Killing them would be destroying part of the base, not to mention an eternal betrayal of the NAP.

Or do you expect that you can just create a society based on killing and then overnight everyone gets an NAP Walmart Happy Face TM sticker?

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>>135977367
MUH LOLIANIME AND PIZZUHS DROAN DELIVUHED IZ TRADISHUN!
Ancap threads are some of the best shit on the internet. You gotta hand it to them, even bolsheviks aren't this funny.

>>135975496
>Yeah, he wanted to rebuild Germany's army so they could actually defend themselves.

no, that's the first thing you see any socialist country do. It's based on this whole commanding heights bullshit by lenin.

>proofs?
it's complex and needs a lot of writing, because instead of simply printing new money, they used bons, freezed saving accounts, and so on. That's why the banks were important. Part of the bons were privately distributed.

>>135974904
no, nigger, the problem is that you determine the solution to all your problems to be other people. guess what, this implies that the way to whatever goal your have is murder, actually mass murder, because it's not a single person, or a few people, but a whole demographic, since you defined them on the basis of a category.
that's a philosophical standpoint that will only result in continuous murder, because the problems won't stop, since the cause is misidentified, and you'll have to readapt your assumptions, which will identify another set of people as the problem. that's why you are like the communists. you create an apparatus for constant murder.
and don't say it's not like that, you people proclaim it all the time. jews, niggers, degenerates. and then when the problems won't stop, you'll find the hidden jews and degenerates, which after successful revolution will be you and your family. because somebody has to be at fault. fucking commies. all the same.

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>>135977647
wtf are you talking about tard

>>135968157

No. Fascism was established explicitly against the Classical Liberal progenitors of Libertarianism.

>>135973261
That good post made me feel like it applies more to cuckservatives and centrists. Although there are still libertarians that this applies too, some itt even.

>>135977360
Literally a Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. How will you distribute the empty factories? And who will you sell the inventory to? And what happens when no one agrees on price since no one will accept $-1,000,000,000 for each piece of land?
Who will repair the helicopters?

>>135977709
>no, that's the first thing you see any socialist country do. It's based on this whole commanding heights bullshit by lenin.
No, I'm pretty sure he just wanted to re-arm at that point. You assuming it was being based on Lenin is just you trying to make shit up with, again, no source.
>it's complex and needs a lot of writing, because instead of simply printing new money, they used bons, freezed saving accounts, and so on. That's why the banks were important. Part of the bons were privately distributed.
Once again, no source given by you.

>>135977990
>. How will you distribute the empty factories
If you're an Ancap you get to choose what industry you want to be apart of and you start a company
>Who will repair the helicopters?
The companies that own them
>And who will you sell the inventory to
The non Ancap goyim

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>>135967679
>>135967834
Because know they can't into aesthetics.

>>135975067
>for a better understanding of what most Fascists/NatSocs here want

they loudly proclaim it all the time. there's nothing I have heard here so far, that's not completely in line with what has happened before, you think you're unable to judge a murderous ideology because of the hardship of war? the war is integral part of the ideology. what do you think what else will come out of this whole 'races are in constant state of war until the best dominates' idea?

>Perhaps look at the Ancient Roman Empire
are you fucking retarded? look at italy. they actually strived to become like ancient rome, and by 1939 they already became the country with the most nationalised industries world wide after the soviet union. and the connection to germany I do not get at all.

>hurr durr your system didn't work

exactly. you had a socialist shitstate that was murdering its citizens and began a disastrous war that dragged the whole of europe into bloodshed and tragedy. tell me this is what you call 'working'.

you can not fix it, because the whole premise is completely skewed.

>Ancap is a nice sentiment, but it argues ...

it doesn't. you have free market forces at work. what you get is, the body that works (survives) is most important. you can guess what that means. and by the way, comparing societies to bodies, has a very weird connotation you should know from roman history.

>>135967679
I'll try to explain this with algorithm theory.

Finding the absolute best path through a maze or whatever can be done with perfect optimal algorithms that are always right, or with suboptimal ones.

The most significant class of suboptimal algorithm are greedy algorithms (there are others, such as that trick they used to roughly approximate the pythagorean theorem without square roots for shadows in old FPS games).

A greedy algorithm is one in which you take what looks like the best option from where you are standing, regardless of how much of the overall picture you may be missing, obviously the major issue with this, and why they are also called "hill climbing algorithms" is that they will take you to the point in the maze nearby which has the highest "local" score, and then it will sit there, declaring that the winner. If you need to go through a low score area in order to find the ultimate best score, it won't try that.

So basically, the reason why a libertarian, someone who believes humans can naturally organize themselves, would resort to authoritarianism, is because they believe that society is executing a greedy algorithm, and that by using violence/authority they can basically pick us up, and deposit us, like Pinochet supposedly did for Chile, in a location where the local maximum is THE global maximum.

In other words, to let the invisible hand of economics do what it is good at, finding local maximums, and let rational human beings do what they are good at, seeing flaws far far down the path and giving a violent nudge in the right direction.

This is why authoritarian libertarian hybrids believe that things like immigration are special threats that require authority, but everything else will just sort itself out.

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>>135967834
They may lack any sense of social responsibility but they still admire power.

>>135967679
Because the fucking libs won't leave us the fuck alone. Suddenly, a guy comes along and says "hey, want them to leave you alone? Just pick up a rifle and follow me".
In the end, there's really no other option. We can either roll over and let liberals take over everything and turn it to shit or we can help this guy take over and things will work out better.

>>135970478
So long as fascism doesn't go full retarded with subsidies and welfare i think libertarians would be ok with living in a fascist state.

>>135978079
>No, I'm pretty sure he just wanted ...

it's what every fucking socialist state has done first. every one. look it up. and that's what national-SOCIALIST germany did first. and then they enacted social programs, like every other socialist state does. even fuckign venezuela did it with the oil industry.

> based on Lenin ...

yeah, because it's not a stupid idea. it allows you to keep the current order while controlling key positions for expansion of control.

hitler wasn't a stupid man.

>Once again, no source given by you.
look it up yourself. I'm not wasting hours just to see the thread has died when I'm finished and know you would not have read it anyway. you're just trying to distract, because in your fucked up mind you somehow do not seem to be unable to grasp that that failed fucked up state you so adore was in fact the shit hole everybody says it was.

>>135967679

They realized libertarianism is populated by whites and that others will always fight them on it because they will inherently be less successful and want gibs. I was a race I was a libertarian and became a race realist. It was only a matter of time for me to support fascism. Yell about the NAP to anti-whites all you want, I know believe in the WAP.

>>135973647
They were trying to achieve a traditionalist autarky.

>>135967834
FPBP.

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>>135976987
Not a lot of demand for that, I wouldn't expect you to do so well, but you are free to try.

>>135974904
One of the ancaps on this site is a jew and one is mixed race. While the free market is right about economic efficiency the cost of total efficiency is to high to anyone that values their nations identity.

>>135978631

kudos

>>135979103
>it's what every fucking socialist state has done first. every one. look it up. and that's what national-SOCIALIST germany did first. and then they enacted social programs, like every other socialist state does. even fuckign venezuela did it with the oil industry.
It's what any country with a weak military would do you fucking idiot. You people only spew "socialist, socialist" whenever NatSoc is mentioned. Doesn't that make you feel at least a bit embarrassed?
>yeah, because it's not a stupid idea. it allows you to keep the current order while controlling key positions for expansion of control.

>hitler wasn't a stupid man.
Literally making shit up. No source
>look it up yourself
If you are trying to prove a point to me, you'd better goddamn bring evidence to back it up. What you're doing is no different than when progressives say "educate yourself".
>you're just trying to distract, because in your fucked up mind you somehow do not seem to be unable to grasp that that failed fucked up state you so adore was in fact the shit hole everybody says it was.
Nice projection. Libertarianism and hyper individualism post industrial revolution got us to this shit hole now, and you want to do it again?

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>>135979091
the doctrine of fascism reject liberalism, that would mean your "libertarians" are nothing more than individualist cuckservatives

>>135967679
You realize the free market doesn't exist because Jews/Church/PowerOfTheDay controls market access and success via force - be it shame or swords.

The cancellation of MDE World Peace, despite being a success, is a recent version of this.

>>135973647
the nazis did give helicopter rides to the actual socialists in the party like strasser, only it wasn't a helicopter

When you take that it to consideration and the fact that literally every other country at the time was enacting big government policies, the nazis were more inline with popular policy of the time. The fact is that economic policy was always secondary to the nazis if a /pol/ government came about we would most likely put the libertarians in charge of economic policy

Some one post the image where you show what FDR did with the hitler photo pic unrelated

>>135979516
That is all they are now. Only most autistic libertarian would not compromise.

>>135968157
A Fascist understands his own vulnerability as an individual.

>>135976376
Thanks for the you, kike
Your time is almost up, enjoy it.

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>>135979091
Honestly a more economically liberal Pinochet would be fine with me.

>>135978631
Also note that authoritarian libertarians are basically similar to moderate liberals and civic nationalists. They just believe in more radical authority, and also more radical freedom to follow it.

So basically they're classical liberals' retarded cousins just like commies are the retarded cousins of social liberals.

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>>135979590
Google, nigger.

>>135979932
Would you ancaps be okay with giving the government 30% non voting shares of your company instead of a regular coporate tax. Would allow corporations to go overseas and still benefit the nation

The first step to Ancap is establishing a Fascist government thats only goal is decentralisation and enforcing the NAP

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>>135980211
Make those shares replace all taxes and you've got a deal.

>>135979504
> You people only spew "socialist, socialist" whenever NatSoc

guess why? because it is socialism, you nutcase.

>>hitler wasn't a stupid man.
>Literally making shit up. No source

what? was this a freudian slip or did you just forget which side you're larping?

>If you are trying to prove a point to me ...

yada yada, yeah, we all know the distraction tactics used by political trolls. fuck off with your constant cries for sauce.

> Libertarianism and hyper individualism post industrial revolution got us to this shit hole now

we're living in a world that literally is continuing the economic policies of the nazis because of the influence of the frankfurt economic school after ww2 (ordoliberalism or fascism light if you want) and you tell me it was libertarianism? you fucking socialist moron, do you even have the slightest clue what your fucking collectivist views have done to mankind or are you so deranged that you are unable to see the corruption that has taken hold of man? or is it that you're just another loser who seeks a justification for his destructive wished because reality is mean to him? oh and by the way, like always no source given.

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>>135979932
pinichet was senile and braindead, and not fascist in any way shape or form

>>135980345
I would remove income and introduce a small gst. Also state mined crypto currency

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>>135980400
Good, one of the mistakes Mussolini made was getting way too involved in the economy.

>>135980211
no. any venture has to be profitable and any shares have to be traded for shared risk. rather make a polis that operates profitable and make it pay dividends to me. than we can talk government.

>>135971658
>they'll tell you how the working man has to be protected from cheap foreign labor

I only ever bring up this argument to hold the left accountable for their own views.

>>135980211
Aslong as you don't intend on interfering with our companies yes we would be fine

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>>135980491
singlehandedly rebuilding the Italian education system, shame hitler had to stab him in the back

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Libertarianism doesn't work for many reasons. To name a few,
>humans are unequal and irrational
>a society of individualist animals will get fucked and dominated by an exclusive tribe (the Jews)
>the libertarians have no solution in breaking up subversive elements of a society under attack
That's why we need fascism, national socialism, or the like.

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>>135980698
He should have stopped after Ethiopia and Albania. Heck, he would have been busy enough developing those lands to profit from them.

>>135967679
this nice meme nice meme me like

>>135980722
>because freedom is vulnerable we all have to lead a miserable existence as serfs of lesser men

omg, I'm nazi now.

>>135973647
>t. i don't know the difference between NatSoc and Strasserism

neck thyself my man.

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>>135980375
>guess why? because it is socialism, you nutcase.
Learn to read you fucking nigger.
>>135973907
>what? was this a freudian slip or did you just forget which side you're larping?
Don't pretend to not know what I'm talking about there. I'm obviously still referring to Hitler basing that on Lenin.
>we're living in a world that literally is continuing the economic policies of the nazis because of the influence of the frankfurt economic school after ww2 (ordoliberalism or fascism light if you want) and you tell me it was libertarianism? you fucking socialist moron, do you even have the slightest clue what your fucking collectivist views have done to mankind or are you so deranged that you are unable to see the corruption that has taken hold of man? or is it that you're just another loser who seeks a justification for his destructive wished because reality is mean to him? oh and by the way, like always no source given.
Calling me Socialist again only keeps proving my point. The reason we are in this shithole is because naive idiots just like you 100 years ago didn't think large businesses and banks wouldn't gang up on small businesses. You let them get rich AND buyout government because of that massive fucking oversight. Collectivism isn't inherently bad, as a group is stronger than the individual. No matter what you say, you can't stave off an army by yourself.
>or is it that you're just another loser who seeks a justification for his destructive wished because reality is mean to him?
Nice projection, I'm really getting a feel for the AnCap mindset now.
>oh and by the way, like always no source given.
Yeah, I don't expect you guys to read or be intellectually honest at this point. All AnCaps pull this same shit, and when they're called out on it and can't find reliable sources for their bullshit, they start claiming that they can't solve everything or that they won't take the time to do a quick google search. You people are pathetic, get the fuck off of /pol/

>>135976396
It may not depends on who runs it, but when its easier to enter the market it's more likely to have quality people in charge vs corporate sociopath stooges. It's kind of a genetic problem the people who are better content producers would be worse managers so in the end stage of the market you end up with this corporate manufactured garbage.

>>135980698
>>135980491
It was more his grain subsidies that people criticize, Overproducing goods you cant offload generally sucks.

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>>135980778
pact of steel shouldve never been signed
>deus vult larpers
non of these fags have done their holy communion I swear
>white pride/confederace states
retarded
>natsoc
german autism, strasserism is the real natsoc
move islamic rule and socnat to good tier, libertarianism and ancap to cancer tier

>>135972544
Even Franco's regime became a democracy after he died, and unlike with post-communism it was a relatively smooth transition

>>135981066
never mind, some other anon has already converted me. Heil, but don't you dare calling the führer stupid again, you hundesohn. An die wand stellen sollt man dich.

>>135981066
oh and by the way, you have no understanding of economics what so ever, and it shows.

>>135981382
Never did, you just can't into context.
>>135981471
Nice fallacy, it really helps your case of being intellectually honest. You know how you guys claim that anyone can be taught the truth if they are taught they are wrong? Well take a good long look at yourself. Some people will not listen to reason.

>>135981280
>move islamic rule

ahahaha, ahmed, you too get to see the showers.

>>135967679
Fascism is only attractive to me in a white ethnostate.

More likely than not. They're not really libertarians at all. They're either closet fascists or actual fascists co-opting other right-wing ideologies. Kinda like how the progressives have infected liberalism for the last decade.

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>>135967679
because Commies always waste the tax money they black mailed from us to ruin everything - and then blame capitalism for their own failures.

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>>135981023
Because an illusion of liberty such as in modern times is much better than a leadership where you know who to hold responsible.

A national socialistic state, where guns are very loosely regulated, would be more free than our current systems.

>>135970920
Just save this image and refer to it for future reference. The rest of this thread is useless.

>>135981822
the only thing that togheter with deus vult that represents traditionalism. Not even an ahmed

>>135967679
because libertarianism leads to oligarchy, which is what fascism is about.

>>135981709
shut up already. you fucking retard do not even understand that when you're a socialist it's reasonable to call you that. like a child.

>You let them get rich AND buyout government because of that massive fucking oversight.

besides showing your incredible understanding of what the ramification of the word 'anarchy' are, did you ever even consider that businesses aren't bad and banks have a purpose? or does that not get into your miserables untermenschenschaedel? I can't wait for the day people like you get replaced by machines so I don't have to hear their constant whining anymore about the people who enable them to make a living. what kind of inferior envious critter you have to be to even fall for this leftist garbage.

> I'm really getting a feel for the AnCap mindset now.

sure, while showcasing that you do not understand neither anarchism nor capitalism. what a genius you are.

>All AnCaps pull this same shit,

maybe because they are right and you're just to blinded by your idiotic faith to understand that they have a point? when people constantly say the same things to you, it might be worthwhile to consider what they're saying.

>get the fuck off of /pol/

:3 <3 :*

>>135973157
Underrated

>>135982332
Not that I agree with americas gun culture. But allowing military trained people to have them combined with strong self defense laws would be healthy for society.

>>135982332
>freedom is slavery
>war is peace

dude, do you even hear yourself talking or are you so deep in your ass that you don't dare coming out because the light might burn your eyes? you're literally spouting nonsensical paradoxes at me now.

>>135969383
This expression resonates deeply within me holy shit. I get too emotional at 3am

>>135982427
>shut up already. you fucking retard do not even understand that when you're a socialist it's reasonable to call you that. like a child.
Fallacy once again.
>did you ever even consider that businesses aren't bad
I never said all businesses were bad, only that it's naive to assume all are good. Banks do have a purpose, but they are susceptible to corruption if not watched carefully.
>when people constantly say the same things to you, it might be worthwhile to consider what they're saying.
The only things you guys "say" involves dodging questions and attempts at debate, whilst slinging insults and fallacies, similar to what you are doing now.

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>>135982409
meh, I already don't care anymore. I converted back to liberty, because my fellow kameraden turned out to be major morons. almost like you would have expected from people who in this day and age still manage to believe that the nightmare that was the beginning of the last century needs to be repeated.

>>135972578
>How do I stop these poor minorities from voting themselves more gibs?
>I don't care. Let them figure it out on their own.

>>135967679
It's not. All fascists are ex commies who think of themselves as edgy. It's like tumblerinas have hit their head on something.

>>135974443
Why physical removal from the upper right? Why does it necessarily disrupt the " libertarian order"?

>>135982853
>almost like you would have expected from people who in this day and age still manage to believe that the nightmare that was the beginning of the last century needs to be repeated.
Are you talking about the economic world depression caused by hyper capitalists and bankers or the wars started by them?
Too much capitalism isn't good, just like too much Socialism isn't good.

>>135967679
Libertarians are like feminists. They just want that strong hand to strike them hard enough to submission. They crave someone dominating them.

>>135982803
dude, I'm tired of you. you're boring me. so here's the gist of it: we're not debating. you're actually not able to. for that you'd have to make constructive criticisms or inquiries into what the other party says. you're just throwing antithesis's at my thesis's. and in-between you're whining about missing sources, like a child who's unable to comprehend that looking up sources and confirming them takes a lot of time. It's just not justified on a platform like this. But somehow I get the feeling that you take it as proof of naziism being right. It's not. Just like your attempts at trying to call anything a fallacy. I'm actually wondering whether you know what that word actually means. But anyway, I won't answer you another time. Fuck off.

>>135982879
>How do I stop these poor minorities from voting themselves more gibs?
anarchism. do you get what that means?

>>135982989
>>135983665

>>135983665
>dude, I'm tired of you. you're boring me. so here's the gist of it: we're not debating. you're actually not able to. for that you'd have to make constructive criticisms or inquiries into what the other party says. you're just throwing antithesis's at my thesis's. and in-between you're whining about missing sources, like a child who's unable to comprehend that looking up sources and confirming them takes a lot of time. It's just not justified on a platform like this. But somehow I get the feeling that you take it as proof of naziism being right. It's not. Just like your attempts at trying to call anything a fallacy. I'm actually wondering whether you know what that word actually means. But anyway, I won't answer you another time. Fuck off.
tldr, "I lost so it wasn't a real arguement"

>>135983036
>Are you talking about the economic world depression caused by hyper capitalists and bankers or the wars started by them?
That's where you're wrong. It wasn't caused by capitalism, it was caused by the rise of socialism and state control in the process of ww1.

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>>135980400

how have i not seen that before ?

literally the Colosseo Quadrato is my favourite building in the world... they really had a good thing going. Too bad they fucked africa up everyone

>>135983744
Pure fantasy.

>>135983938
don't engage him please. you'll only find a gaping hole devoid of any reasonable thought or knowledge. maybe you're lucky and you find some leftist superstition like you did there.

>>135984106
pure fantasy that doesn't involve voting you moron.

>>135984284
No, but it does involve somehow getting rid of the institution that has a monopoly on violence. You going to do that democratically? Good fucking luck mate.

>>135983938
>It wasn't caused by capitalism, it was caused by the rise of socialism and state control in the process of ww1.
I'm simply stating that the lack of government policy regarding price fixing and such early on let mega capitalists and bankers get rich. Using these funds, which they were then able to lobby for benefit toward themselves, essentially becoming the state. Thus, unrestrained capitalism lead to both state control and depressions, in which central bankers were free to buy up land for dirt cheap. Capitalism is fine if controlled, the problem is that it wasn't until it was too late.

>>135984426
a) I won't tell you our secret plan. For that you need a bag of gold around your neck first.
b) you just changed the topic, therefore I'm going to remind you that you tried to refute anarcho capitalism, a mental construct which has no place for voting or government, by stating that 'minorities will vote for more benefits from the government'. I hope that you can see, that I already lost any potential respect for you I might ever have had. The only thing of interest for me left here, is how the hell you even managed to read?
c) I'm not going to further talk to you unless it is about how you overcame the obstacles your mental disability has posed for you.

>>135978944
This

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>>135967679
I don't see fascism appealing at all and I don't think it appeals to a significant portion of libertarians, only the larpers on pol.

>>135984444
>I'm simply stating that the lack of government policy regarding price fixing
That is nice and all but you're still wrong. There was no price fixing. Rather, the governemental regulations set in place due to ww1 made it so that expectations on investment couldn't be met. Couple that with reckless state spending and ever increasing social programs and look where we are now.
> which they were then able to lobby for benefit toward themselves, essentially becoming the state.
If the problem is the state then the solution isn't an even larger state apparatus that can be lobbied by even richer people. Also, "essentially" becoming the state is a nice little simplification you have there - just because you throw in money doesn't mean you get anything out of it, see Clinton's donors. But yea, you're confirming what I knew all along - natsocs are just commies with slightly better uniforms.

>>135967679
>fascism (authoritarian to the bone)
>linertarianism
you are probably retarded and fell for the helo memes

libertarians generally want to be left alone.
libertarians eventually see that leftists won't leave them alone because they politicize everything.
eventually they see, correctly, that extreme physical removal is required.

>>135985113
I only tolerate fascism because I see it nessacary to get rid of the state properly

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>>135967679
Resists external forces that threaten the agreed upon order. Forces that evidently require exclusive laws in order to succeed. I'm not sure I worded this correctly.

>>135984825
a) I'm Jewish
b) You changed the topic first. I was responding to "the libertarian solution", then for some reason you brought up anarchism as if it were a synonym of libertarianism. It isn't, most libertarians would not propose anarchy as a solution to the voting problem because most libertarians aren't anarchists. You should be thanking me for not being pedantic enough to tell you to fuck off because you clearly don't know what a libertarian is.

>>135970920
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>>135972949
Don't you know a .22 will bounce inside the body and turn the organs into jam ?

In all seriousness, you can carry a shit load of .22 and can shoot it very fast with 0 recoil. Use hollow point .22 "dum-dum" and I'm sure you can kill most humans with 2-3 shots, they will just not be knocked out instant like with more powerful calibers

>>135976334
The problem with drugs has been and always will be externalities. Some dreaming abo or coked up nigger who ODs in their gutter is the free market at work, the problem is that these drugs make it more likely they chimp out before they kill themselves, putting a greater burden on our police and putting non-degenerate citizens at risk

>>135985385
>I'm Jewish
In that case I'm sorry. Yes, truth be told I was aware of the fact that you referenced libertarianism. I might use it interchangeably, but truth be told, if you go by the notion that ancap isn't the consequent version of libertarianism, then I'd have to say, that in that case you're still confronted with a minarchist ideal, that demands for the state to be as small as possible. That encompasses welfare and social benefits. Therefore the initial problem of immigration for gibmedats isn't a risk at all, and minorities, I hope, will be forced to lead a productive life, or fail and starve if they abide by their culture of parasitic living. Therefore your criticism is still void.
I expect you in the secret chat room.

>>135985255
>There was no price fixing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act
Put in place because of price fixing in the U.S.
>If the problem is the state
The problem isn't the state itself. There can be good governments and bad governments.
>Also, "essentially" becoming the state is a nice little simplification you have there - just because you throw in money doesn't mean you get anything out of it, see Clinton's donors.
The Federal Reserve prints all money in the U.S. So many people are in debt that people can't buy housing or support children a lot of the time. Throwing money at government caused this. Until Trump, the banks pretty much dictated policy in the U.S. Without any government, they just wouldn't have to use a middleman to get armies and authority, they could simply do it themselves. What will you do then with no laws to protect you?

>>135985385
>>135985763
don't mind the flag. I was lapping in another thread.

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>>135985268

the leaf recognizes a need for removal better than anyone. i'd take his word on this one

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>Physical removal is a necessary prerequisite for a libertarian society

>We have to violate the NAP to maintain the NAP

>>135985270
>getting rid of the state by making it bigger
what?

>>135967679
All libertarians are frauds, like all other people, who think they can actually overcome human nature and it's flaws.

>>135986329
The State violates the NAP everyday

>>135985763
Again I stress my disbelief of the idea that you could possibly get rid of the government democratically, especially in a majority non-white country like the US. It just isn't going to happen, people want safety nets and social security because getting rid of them is, to the masses, an unnecessary risk.

What I'm saying is that it's too late for libertarianism. The people who get to decide what the state does are not libertarians and never will be. Not until they're all white again.

>>135986445
How the fuck is letting people be free against human nature?

>>135968817
how come from sota dope it has gone to this fucking garbage

>>135986766
Human nature is to dominate one another. Equality is pussy shit.

>>135967679
Because we care about truth.

AnCaps != lolbertarians

Why are there so many morons that can't differentiate Anarchism from Minarchism?

>>135986749
I don't think the US is majority non-white yet. But anyway, since I am in fact not a believer in any democratic solution (nor a revolution), I can not tell you what the perspective on this is for believers. In fact I agree with you that it's unlikely to say the least for any hard government reforms to emerge at this point even with an libertarian party in power.

but this doesn't mean there's no chance for change. ... (i'm going to write another answer ...)

>>135986851
I never had the desire to dominate anybody.

Basically one of the reasons i have trouble finding a gf, most people either want to dominate or to be dominated.

I just don´t get how you can enjoy either.

>>135967679
it isn't

>>135980400
Are these macaroni in the middle part of the picture - lel

>>135987233
do you have autism?

>>135987413
A little bit, actually got a diagnosis mostly due to high iq

>>135987233
Then you are destined to be dominated.
I'm sorry, it's just human nature. If I had been the one to design humans, I would have made letting people be free human nature. Unfortunately I wasn't :^(

>>135986749
at the core of libertarianism, whether in the more radical form or the statist traitor form that is minarchist, is the believe that everything a government can do, private enterprise can do better. Hopefully with the exception of mass murder and genocide though.
From this line of thinking you can derive an idea that centres around outcompeting government services and disrupting governmental monopolies.

I think with bitcoin you can see that this is indeed possible, even though it might not be the most beautiful solution one might come up with. But you can already see, how state power was disrupted and downright crumbled to a degree in that space, and it's certainly still expanding.
Though, to be honest, I have to admit that I haven't thought about this enough yet, to give a satisfying answer on the problem that 'counter-regulation' would pose on such attempts at disruption and competition. But I hope you can see it's not too much of a unrealistic idea, albeit still somehowl in the realm of phantasm (from a realistic perspective).

>>135967679
THey're smart enough to understand that it either has to be full libertarianism or full fascism to reset the corruption

>>135987495
When people are cunts to you, do you not get the desire to destroy them?

>>135987649
I usally fuck them up or stay away from them, but as long as they don´t violate the nap i´m fine.

>>135987554
As i said i don´t want to be dominated either.

>>135986851
How is that even relevant though? Is the human race falling apart because physically dominating weaker people is illegal?

>>135972949
Unless you use hollow points or dum-dums

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This is such a dumb meme. No substance, no arguments, no sense.
Libertarians sometimes become fascists and fascists sometimes become libertarians. BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT WING. Not very complicated.

>>135987723
Sounds like you're passive

>>135987723
I didn't say you were destined to like it.
I hope you've been paying your taxes, goy.

>>135987856
Is the human race falling apart because we aren't free?

>>135987893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgB8qjYI40g
if right wing is inherently conservative how can libertarians be?

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>>135967679
Most AnCaps don't realize the economic incentive for eugenics and racial homogeneity. AnCaps that like fascism just need to AnCap harder.

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>>135969050
Also institute a fashy govt in times of foreign invasion but I doubt the system would be that flexible. Just stick with collectivism desu.

>>135988064
>Is the human race falling apart because we aren't free?
No. Now answer the question