is this meme accurate?

>>135802731
>ancap
>not anarchism
i stopped reading there
go back to 8gag and take your shitty chart with you

>>135802861
Literally not an argument was made

>>135802731
It's hard to differentiate different sects of mental retardation from other sects of mental retardation. So no, a single chart will not differentiate anything because anarchy is all the same thing: Mental retardation.

y i get no mutualist flag?

>>135802731
>ancap is racist
This is bad somehow

>>135802731
>1. Not anarchism
Yeah, AnCap isn't retarded enough.

>>135802731
Ancaps don't believe in governments or states. They're as anarchy as it gets.

ancoms however think that communism, which requires a state to redistribute the wealth, is compatible with anarchy, which is the lack of a state.
Tell me which one is the retarded one.

>>135802731
you need to be thrown from the fucking helicopter OP

>>135803394
I don't understand this either tbqh

>>135802731
>no u
why can't they meme, /pol/?

>>135802945
sorry i guess i'm just too much of a mental midget to refute such eloquent points like "wears a fedora" and "not anarchism"

>>135803285
>>135803394
You have no fucking clue what the concept of anarchy even means. It's a leftist cult that wants to eradicate hierarchy and all forms of identity in every single way, they're a bunch of degenerate no life retards that spend their time getting high and listening to shitty music.

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>>135803837
Oh I almost forgot.

>>135802731
>racist
>hates trans
>hates animals
Why would those things matter if you are an anarchist?
Anyone is free to think and do whatever they want in a true anarchist society

>>135802731
No. You're a cunt for even considering that it might be true.

>>135803837
not all forms of anarchism are the same
>select all images with roads
rrrrrrrrRREEEEEEEEEE

>>135803987
Wrong, you aren't allowed to dislike trans people. Their feelings are more important than yours, you transphobic prick.

>>135804038
I don't give a shit if they're the same not the same, they're all retarded bullshit fad ideologies, if anyone genuinely calls themselves and anarchist they're just plain retarded.

>>135804199
>fad ideology
>nazi flag
oh boy here we go

>>135804147
Then it's not an anarchist society

>>135804199
>When you hate socialists, but you're also a socialist.

>>135802731

No Syndicalism?

>>135804373
It doesn't matter what kind of society you live in, you cishet trash are always going to be less important than brave trans people.

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>>135802731
Kill yourself you retarded cucknarchist.

>>135802731
I don't think you understand the definitions of either anarchy or capitalism

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>>135802861
>>135803285
>>135803394
>>135804002
How embarrassing

>>135802731
Ancoms were the original anarchists, that doesn't mean you have to be anti-capitalist to be an anarchist. Literally everyone except some ancoms understand anarchism to mean no government (which is in and of itself retarded, but that's not the point).

>>135804511
close enough to ancom to whoever mde the chart i guess
>individualist communism
a laugh every time

>>135802731
All idealistic philosophies depend on the individual to make the "right" choice in every situation.

The problem is that what is considered right is not universally agreed upon.

One groups like Christian morals. Another groups wants to rebuild Sodom. A third group wants to wage wars of conquest for profit. A fourth group thinks their King is the living direct link between this world and God.

It is a noble thing to try to do right for the people, the problem is like I said above. Doing "right" is not universally agreed upon.

>>135803837
Wouldn't a lack of government not only allow, but likely encourage individuals to create a community based along identity? Isn't it likely (without affirmative action and what not) that companies would only hire what race works best for the job, not to mention being allowed to bar people from your business based on race?

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>>135802731
>Individualist communism

>>135802731
Missing the classical anarchist philosophies of Bakunin and Proudhon.

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>>135805059
wtf? Proudhon was a mutualist.

>>135805059
>Proudhon.
Mutaualist flag is up there.

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>>135802731

As if ancom were even possible without a strong central state to enforce it.

>>135804462
>When you can't tell the difference between (((socialism))) and socialism

Next you'll tell me that capitalism with fiat money is still capitalism.

>>135804721
not acurate. Anarchy is about not having some windbag tell you what to do. It's about "NO RULERS" NOT "no rules". the rules are common sense and universal to all humans. and ancoms are NOT "original anarchists".

>>135805939
How is national socialism not socialism? Not even considering the name it has all the normal aspects of socialism, with the only difference being that instead of ownership being director held by the state it's de facto held though laws and bureaucracy.

>>135803094
IRK. WTF "mods" who made these fucking flags anyway? and why ancom is labeled "anarchist"
>no circle A. wtf.

>>135804286
>>135804462
ono look at this! Allahu Akbar!
>>135804947
A lack of government is exactly what would allow identity to crumble in the first place. That's why they want it.

>>135802731
>the inevitability of private tyranny emerging within anarchy makes it not anarchism
hurr durrr

>>135802731
I want Anarchy so I am free to force my views on to people with violence.

>>135802731
Well fuck, what do we do now?

>ANARCHISM HAS NOTHING to do with the exploitative, rule-based and oppressive system of capitalism. Yet there is a part of the anarchist movement calling themselves “anarcho-capitalists.” Some argue this term is simply an attempt by conservative, big business forces to hijack the concept of anarchism, some argue anarcho-capitalism is rather a state-minimalizing classical liberalism

http://anarchism.net/anarchism_anarchismcapitalismandanarchocapitalism.htm

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>Is this a proper way to differentiate anarchists from "anarchists"?
Why differentiate when you can just hang them all?

>>135802861
Literally this.
Sage OP, slide thread

>>135807139
Anarchy doesn't work like that, sorry to dissappoint you. Read a damn book , nigga. READ A BOOK!

>>135802861
feudalism is okey if we get to it by capitalist means :) and its anarchism

>>135803083
>says the natsoc

>>135802731
The proper definition for all anarchists is useful idiot.
Sure, I'll be an anarchist with you but after that I'm shooting you in the back and me and my buddies are taking over and making laws.

>>135810561
How do you force people to be commie under anarchism?

And in history that's literally how anarchism worked, like every time

>>135811932
This is what happens to every anarchist movement by the way.
You are useful idiots and nothing more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBonRs-E-4A
Here. For you kids that can't be bothered to READ it.

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>>135802731
fixed
ancaps are leaving all other (((anarchists))) in the dust since inventing bitcoin.

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>>135802731
>anarchist society
>you don't even have the freedom to sell your labor and time
No thank you, I'll pass on your "anarchism".

>>135812362
my.
sides.
>puts "mutualsim" = "not anarchy"
>puts "mutualsim" = "supports tyranny"
>puts "mutualism" = "has nothing to do with anarchism"
BAKA. Fucking Faceplam. You kids are hopeless.
>>135812363
YES, YOU DO! THAT'S THE POINT!! YOU ARE YOUR OWN DAMN BOSS!!!
at least TRY to pull your head OUT of your ass.

>>135813623
mondragon changed their business model to one of surplus "theft"
and mutualists still support them

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>>135813623
>YES, YOU DO!
So anarcho-communism is no functionally different from anarcho-capitalism then?

>>135813623
>YES, YOU DO! THAT'S THE POINT!! YOU ARE YOUR OWN DAMN BOSS!!!
Yeah except if you become too successful, then the commune takes your money away and prevents other people from working for you.

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>>135802731
Anarchists are just confused edgy teens

>>135803083
It's always natsocs speaking truth to faggots

>>135813840
sorry, i'm not familiar with that story. please elaborate for me. and bear in mind you stated:
> changed their business model
and which "mutualists" are you referring to. the point of "mutualism" is that those involved directly act in agreement to mutually support each other.
also, what surplus what stolen?
thanks.

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>tfw ancap is retarded because private property is a spook
>tfw ancom is retarded because morality is a spook

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>>135802731
Real anarchists are economists who figured out you can replace almost every compulsory government service.

"Anarchists" are delusional little children. Who make vague grandiose statements while fantasying about getting free shit.

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>anarchists
The economy and civilization can work just fine without the government, in fact, possibly better.
>"anarchists"
COSTS WUNDT EXIST, SCHOOLS WOULD BE BIGGER BETTER AND FREE, MEDICINE WOULD BE FREE, EVERYTHING WOULD BE FREE

>>135815835
How are you going to have private property without goverment?

>>135814236
just because someone puts a prefix before a noun doesn't mean it's the same thing. and the post i was responding to stated "anarchism" not communism calling itself "anarcho" for flavor. nor capitalism calling itself "anarcho" either.
and I could use the same template you used to present ideal capitalism and crony capitalism, and come to the same final pic.
lastly your assuming the violent end when the truth would be more like: the "workers OWN the means of production" and if yellow owns the means and can actually find workers that are willing to work "for" him instead of "with" him then it's their choice. and they compete with the reds who mutually own then means of production and already agreed to provide goods/services. so yellow is the odd man out and would either undercut (not likely) or recondition himself to go back to the majority red style. notice how your top pic is everyone shrugging and going 'OK". well that's the same in red's, you just presume that they would kill yellow for wanting to start a business instead of just laughing at him and letting him fail on his own.

>>135812362
How is mutualism bad? It shares the goods of Socialism and capitalism with few to none of the downsides

>>135802731
is tyler durden a night person?

>>135804038
>not using legacy captcha

>>135816102
private property has existed for millennia longer than the state

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>>135816129
>if yellow owns the means and can actually find workers that are willing to work "for" him instead of "with" him then it's their choice. and they compete with the reds who mutually own then means of production and already agreed to provide goods/services
So then why don't you just do that now? There is nothing stopping ancoms from forming communes and coops in our capitalist societies.

>>135816525
>private property
>without a state
Not if I'm stronger than you and willing to take it.

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>>135816102
How do you plan on invading my property without a backwards degenerate government to protect you would be a better question.

>>135816129
>you just presume that they would kill yellow
he doesn't presume, that's what they want to do now
there is nothing stopping you from making an employees-owned business. They exist, they have a legal status. There's a handful of them. And yet they are incredibly anecdotic. Yes, most people would rather work for someone than join some weird hippie company.

>>135816878
>le police actions didn't exist before the state maymay
You do know state police was inexistent during the middle ages? Cities had their own polices.

>>135814556
posts:
>"elect them before hand"
and assumes that mutual agreed upon commitees cna't be a thing in short-term "emergencies" just because you misunderstnad "anarchism".
>posts or just gravitate around the more "COOL HEADED" people - "AS LONG AS the NEED for them is UNDERSTOOD"
exactly, it's more like this. when the problem is solved, you dissolve and go back to whatever the fuck you were doing before.
>posts "These kind of engagements require cohesion"
right, NO SHIT! Natural Law creates and even requires and equilibrium to be established and maintained. Each going their own way until they need or WANT TO help each other. It's real fucking simple. Do you get along with your neighbors? then That's anarchy, in a nutshell.

>>135817240
You're not an anarchist if you believe in polices.

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>>135816878
>steal from one person
>99 nearby people see you as an enemy that needs to be caged
>game over at life
Good thing the normative for human beings is to not live a destructive risky lifestyle and our hatred towards disrespect made us systematically brutally stone people who think like that so often that we established morality into our gene pools.

It's no government that establishes private property, it's literally everyone. It's the 90% of the population who'll dedicate their lives to fuck you up if screw them over. If your house gets looted, the government won't even notice.

Go back to plebbit, you kike

>>135815835
you don't actually have to "choose" you could jsut be fucking smarter about it all and blend to two strengths into a cohesive whole. "/pol does it for free" even though this board "costs" resources to run and maintain itself. those who can contribute, do so. in an emergency, a call to arms is announced and a collection is asked for and taken until the need is met and then it's back to defcon 5. business as usual. not everydamnthing needs to be "monetized" damnit. there IS a thing called the COMMONS, and teaching and socially reinforcing responsible behaviour that is commonly expected is each individual's RIGHT, PRIVILAGE, and RESPONSIBILITY.

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>>135817629
>You're not an anarchist if you believe in polices.
That's where leftists start to expose how retarded they are.
You think the government is the judiciary, you think government means laws and objective morality. You think anarchism is nihilism, it is no morals, no laws.

"anarchists" don't hate the government. They hate consistency. They hate the law. They want "freedom" from a world where their actions require consistency and respect towards others. That's why real libertarianism and real freedom from government is so spooky to them.

Without the government, the law would be even more objective and clear, not less. It would be a nightmare to leftists.

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>>135802731
Can someone explain to me how exactly anarcho-communism is supposed to work?
>anarcho-communist state
>some guy has a potato surplus
>"if you guys help me work on my house, I'll give you some potatoes"
>this kickstarts a barter system which eventually evolves into currency
Who is going to be around to enforce the communist portion if it's anarchistic?

>>135817629
top fucking kek m8

institutions can and have always existed without a state

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>>135818121
Haha, well memed my friend. Stirner is a sure thing to go to when you have no arguments. Everything is a spook! Haha.
>stealing investments is my best interest!
>destroying the economy is my best interest!
>any real economic knowledge that would explain why I'm wrong is a spook
Haha, well done my friend. Another debate won by you.

>>135816267
it's not bad. the only one's QQ'ing are greedy kikes.
>>135816690
>So then why don't you just do that now? There is nothing stopping ancoms from forming communes and coops in our capitalist societies.
they do and they work extremely well when they are scaled properly and don't try to exceed rational logistics. the only way they fail is if they get sabotaged.
>>135817240
>he doesn't presume, that's what they want to do now
no they want to stop "EXPLOITATION" of workers. period. and since the PTB refuse to and even callude with oligarchs/industrial monopolists. then yeah, they fell that thay CAN'T get real "JUSTICE". so fuck burn it down then if TPB won't even abide by their own rules.
>there is nothing stopping you from making an employees-owned business. They exist, they have a legal status. There's a handful of them. And yet they are incredibly anecdotic.
proving my point that they work. period.
>Yes, most people would rather work for someone than join some weird hippie company.
WTF is a weird "hippy company" no such creature exists (nice strawman though). I'ts the individual worker who chooses to be exploited by an "employer" rather than strive to accomplish alongside like-minded individuals for mutual benefit. But don't be suprised when you get kiked.

>>135802731
Anarcho-communism is an oxymoron and OP is a massive faggot

anthropomorphizing political ideas is right up the ally of feel good larp sjw loser kids.
Like fuck it's not a goddamn fandom. Its not some cute character. This is why people hate you.
Because you can't touch anything without infecting it with your stupid fanfic hugbox billshit.
Fuck I hate tumblr.

>>135815835
Option A: Jewish ideology that is completely unfeasible on a practical level and can only lead to the destruction of society and slow extermination of your ethnicity
Option B: Jewish ideology that is completely unfeasible on a practical level and can only lead to the destruction of society and slow extermination of your ethnicity

Hmm, this is a hard fucking choice now isn't it.

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>>135818579
Your question is too complex for it to be ever answered by a communist.

Just look at >>135815835 to see actual ancom writings and manifestos. They literally conflate fantasy with reality. "The communist wages would be the double of the current wages after market exchange is prohibited because communism!". It's a child-like ideology.

>>135819056
>proving my point that they work
but they don't work as well as regular businesses, is the point
anything can "work" on an anecdotal level
anybody, right now, is free to seek employment in one of them. And yet the overwhelming majority of employees go to work in proper businesses because they actually pay

>>135818579
ok, so in this pic, again, you forgot about the FACT that it's 1 guy against the MANY. the MANY have agreed to SUPPORT EACH OTHER and the 1 is going HIS OWN DAMN WAY. to FEND FOR HIMSELF, I believe you call it "forever alone". IF he survives, fine. if NOT , then when he's dead, and noone else is using his "property" then the MANY can come and claim it to be utilized.
2nd. you didn't even consider the possibility that maybe the MANY could RATIONALIZE with the 1 and convince him to CHANGE HIS MIND. hmm, there's a thought (rational discourse INSTEAD of violence).
3rd, it's not a SINLGE collective, it's a series of them in proportional scale. they communicate amongst each other and work out solutions to issuses. not top down "authoritarian" bullshit. it's like you didn't even try to understand this shit. CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT! WTF happened to your brains? it's like you INSIST on being psychopathic parasites. how the fuck did you guys manage to meme trump into the white house in the first place. (retorical question)

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>>135819056
>they do and they work extremely well when they are scaled properly and don't try to exceed rational logistics
Okay, so we can both agree that working towards more economic freedom is beneficial for both of us then? I don't mind people forming coops and communes of their own free will, just as I wouldn't want people telling me I couldn't form a business or hire people of their own free will. So while our ideas of what works may be different, our goals for reforming society are the same.

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>>135820781
You are so insane I'm not even sure if you are trolling or not.

Reminder that ancap is just privatized government

>>135820781
>HIS OWN DAMN WAY. to FEND FOR HIMSELF

very likely it will be him and his immediate family, humans are not born out of the soil

your 2nd and 3rd point assume that no resource conflict not solvable by dialog will ever arise, which is insane

>>135818579
also:
Can someone explain to me how exactly anarcho-communism is supposed to work?
>anarcho-communist state
>some guy has a potato surplus
>"if you guys help me work on my house, I'll give you some potatoes"
>this kickstarts a barter system which eventually evolves into currency
Who is going to be around to enforce the communist portion if it's anarchistic?
1st you are dealing in solving mutual problems and exchanging solutions (ie. tangible good/services directly, not fiat kike tokens with arbitrary "value")
2nd you HAVE A SURPLUS you greedy horder. what are you going to do with it. sit on it until it ROTS and NOBODY can use it?? come ON!
3rd. nobody said 'no trading" they said "TO each individual ACCORDING to his NEED (NOT "WANT" ya' NIGGER, YOUR NEED) and FROM each individual ACCORDING to his ABILITY (is this guy/girl fit for this task and capable and competent to achieve it, if NOT then find something ELSE to DO)
fucking shit! rustles my beanbag when I hear this nonsense. *breathe slowly* ok, sorry for yelling, I hope this answers your question. thank you.

>>135802731
>Anarcho-Primitivism

Sounds comfy to me tbqh. Let's start going that way.

>>135821736
>hat are you going to do with it. sit on it until it ROTS and NOBODY can use it?? come ON!

No, but i am going to ask for valuable services in exchange for my surplus

Why would i give it away for free?

>>135821736

> FROM each individual ACCORDING to his ABILITY

again, who is going to force the capable to give his stuff for free to the needy?

>>135802945
the argument is (1) you're a retard and (2) kill yourself

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>>135821736
>you HAVE A SURPLUS you greedy horder. what are you going to do with it. sit on it until it ROTS and NOBODY can use it?? come ON!
No, not really. I would see how much people would be willing to pay for it and sell it. Otherwise, it's worth more to me as fertilizer and animal food.

>pastes entire post you are replying to when it only talked about 1 thing
>caps lock at every phrase
>*breathes slowly*
I would bet that you are not even above 18.

>>135821675
it literally cannot be considered a government if its private

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>>135821736
>you HAVE A SURPLUS you greedy horder. what are you going to do with it. sit on it until it ROTS and NOBODY can use it??
I will store and refrigerate it for later use.

>TO each individual ACCORDING to his NEED and FROM each individual ACCORDING to his ABILITY
This is the biggest problem. You separate work from reward. In a just society, it would be "From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution". Instead you choose to make it based on need, and in so doing you create no incentive for people to actually work.

>>135820071
>"regular business"
you mean the ones that fuck over years-long employees for bonuses for "executives", that shit on quality when they don't need to, exploit "cheep" labor instead of rewarding the faithful "hard working" ones, come now child, don't pull that wool over MY eyes.
>"actually pay"
ay what? tokens to "buy" resources,. resources that you could have direct access to yourself without middlemen. your issue is that your arguing for the status quo and IT'S FUCKED. period. too many "rotten apples" not only spoiled the bunch but the disease is infection the whole damn grove. if you can't or won't see the forrest for the trees then I cannot "help" you.
diagnosis: ternimal bluepill overdose poisoning.
beep BEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP.
he's dead jim.
>>135821022
>I don't mind people forming coops and communes of their own free will, just as I wouldn't want people telling me I couldn't form a business or hire people of their own free will.
exactly, it's basically a matter of the right tool for the job. but the hammer that can build a house can also smash a skull. so it's all in the PEOPLE. that's why it's "WE the PEOPLE" and "POWER to the PEOPLE". plus, if I can go to the collective and they make a widget that's wroth a fuck, and is quailty made, why would I waste time getting "bitcoin" to "buy" yours? is it the same, better different, lot's of variables that aren't being taken into consideration here. jus' sayin'

>>135823280

> tfw not sure if trolling or mentally unstable

>>135819878
>the guy who answered him can vote

feelsbadman.jpg

fucking utopian reatards

>>135821695
>very likely it will be him and his immediate family,
so what? the pic didn't say that. I was going off the pic and the 1 is figurative.
>humans are not born out of the soil
you sure? ever hear of "cabbage patch kids". *sigh* come now, let's not start down this road.
2nd point was about the assumption of EITHER OR left/right dialetic drivel. there's ALWAYS A MIDDLE WAY, the dao.
3rd point doesn't factor into your criticism since it's an explaination of how the MANY would operate amongst themselves, if a resource is scarce then a concesus is achieved or the resource is not consumed and the collective goes without, IT DEPENDS on WHAT IT IS and HOW badly it is NEEDed. "N.E.E.D." not want.
these type of comments usually derive from a selfish individual who projects selfishness unto others and thus fosters selfish behaviours and loss of trust. this is how community breaksdown and the cycle has to start all over again. "death of the republic from within" was the warning. it's what the soviets used as a scare tatic to shill thier tyranny and it's what usa is ignoring even though it's blatant in your face every day. somethign HAS to change.
>>135821534
I'm not crazy, i'm just ahead of the curve.

>>135821890
right, you can ASK, and that's all you CAN do. so where's the issue? there is none. and you COULD give it away for free IF you WANTED to. Otherwise you could ask and ask and if noone gives a fuck about YOUR problem, then it's YOUR problem, anarchist.
Why would I give a fuck enough to even TRY to explain this to YOU any way and not try to ASK you to PAY me instead? BECAUSE it's more valuable to US ALL to discuss this topic and work out the issues, look for flaws and concensus on solutions / plans of action that are viable.
How long you think you can hang onto a "potato" for anyway before you either eat it, produce vodka, plant it, or throw it away as squandered waste cuz it rotted? you have options. and a brain, and choice, that's the point.
>>135822097
OMFG frenchy, how did your country form a revolution that "WE" took inspiration from, and still ask this question, there IS NO FORCE, except nature and humanity. IF you got a MONOPOLY, Then that CAN'T EXIST in this system. period, IT DON'T WORK. People will do what job they want to according to their desire. But shit don't get done unless someone does it. these "Africans" SURVIVED in shit conditions FOR MILLENIA! I'm pretty sure "WE" can figure it out. don't be this dense.
>implying literal shit-tier niggers are capable but somehow anarchists aren't. pfft.
>>135822388
>No, not really. I would see how much people would be willing to pay for it and sell it.
From your ability To their need.
and if there is no BUY and SELL, then you simply have MORE than YOU can USE. and is a burden to offload to whom it is not a burden.
>Otherwise, it's worth more to me as fertilizer and animal food.
Then you DO have a USE and a NEED for it and your question is redundant. you answered your OWN question and are looking for validation. FINE VALIDATED. YOU are NOW an honary ANARCHIST. pro tip: you always were, just didn't know it till just now. you are the enlightened buddha. *bow*

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>>135821736
>*breathe slowly* ok, sorry for yelling, I hope this answers your question. thank you.

>>135822699
so you'd just let your elderly parents fend for themselves till they die off. nice, i'm sure they'd love to know that after they raised you, you wouldn't give them what they need because they "didn't contribute enough" to "earn reward points" in your "work ledger". *sigh*
you failed anarchism 101, try again, "read moar".

>>135826889
work HARDER goyim, your kike boss needs sheckels to pay your mother for sex.

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>>135827184
>so you'd just let your elderly parents fend for themselves till they die off
Obviously I share my food with them, just no one who isn't family.

>>135827352
>implying you wouldn't need to work even harder to keep up with the decaying economy in an ancom "utopia"

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>>135804704
You can have libertarian back if you give back liberal.

>>135827602
then you are the 1 who seperated from the MANY, and will have to fend for himself. And should hard times come upon you, then having made your decision, the MANY would ask of you, "what have you contributed lately" according to your own logic. and, having contributed nothing, you shall recieve it, in abundance. (i.e. you didn't sow with US so you can not reap from US).
that's what you're proposing? I just want to be clear that I understand you properly here.
btw: why is "charity" and "peace on earth" and "goodwill toward men" not on the table just because the word "anarchist" is being discussed? wtf you guys?

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>>135802731
>muh "anarcho"-communism that kills people if start to exchange freely goods and services they produced themselves
>literally the opposite of anarchism, collective tyranny
>literal 19 yr old cuckolded faggots that have never worked / nor touched a woman in their lives
Ancapism is the only true anarchism

>>135828237
>btw: why is "charity" and "peace on earth" and "goodwill toward men" not on the table just because the word "anarchist" is being discussed? wtf you guys?
Charity is perfectly compatible with anarchism you stupid fuck

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>>135828237
>and will have to fend for himself
I will trade with others who are like minded. Should hard times come upon me, I would not ask for the help of others. People are free to help me if they wish, but I would consider it charity and not an request that I help them in the future.

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>>135828393
no man, in a collectivist anarchy everyone is utopianly happy and the few who want to act like normal human beings get fucked and literally no one sells excess production in exchange for something he wants

>>135827886
(YOU) would,as here drying vag is worth less and less, (YOU) have to make up the deficit in value. pfft. just stop this /bant, please. most "an-cap"s just don't want to pay their taxes while they swindle everyone within arms reach.
>>135828175
>>135804704
and THIS doesn't help either, the co-opting and misappropriation of terminology leading to misunderstanding of concepts and ideas, leading to flase conclusions. (read as: too much kikery damnit)

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>>135802731
You forgot to add that Ancoms are Bolshevik bitches 'till the end; when they're put down like the dumb dogs they are.

>>135828537
THAT WAS MY POINT
"YOU STUPID FUCK"!!! you jees are arguing about getting PAID for potatoes and shit and selling things. FUCK OFF SHILL!!! go mine some digital kikecoins or else contribute something usefull.
>>135828627
>I will trade with others who are like minded.
then what the fuck are you ON about? your IN or your OUT. the communes are nothing BUT "like-minded people" sheesh. come ON.
> Should hard times come upon me, I would not ask for the help of others.
1st you already have a duty to preserve yourself as an individual.
2nd, if you ain't asking for help in hard times then by definition THE TIMES AREN'T HARD! fuck.
>People are free to help me if they wish, but I would consider it charity and not an request that I help them in the future.
that's strictly between YOU and THEM period. Are you gonna sit in your squalor like a bum and just wait to see if someone notices you even exist? FINE. iIf they give a fuck about your sorry ass then that's on THEM and their Feels. Nobody making you work, nobody making jothers bail your ass out, nobody giving a fuck about you ESPECIALLY if you don't give a fuck about them. (joining into a collabrative community)
ya' know I can only assume a THIS point, that you kids are fucking with me on this, because we all just described this board system that we don't pay for on a network not build by us, having a discussion that we are free to participate in, selectively respond to / ignore, and leave at any damn time.

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>>135815212
Why do people use that caricature of Sterner when photos of him exist?
I've always wondered.

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>>135829876
>then what the fuck are you ON about?
If I decide to not be part of these communes, then others will as well. I will trade with these individuals and ignore the communes.

>if you ain't asking for help in hard times then by definition THE TIMES AREN'T HARD
Well then I'll just never go through hard times then. If your idea of hard times is times so desperate that you must either ask for other's help or die, then it wouldn't be that hard to just avoid such hard times through frugality and common sense.

>that's strictly between YOU and THEM period
Of course it is. If someone decides to help me, they should not automatically expect my help in return. Maybe from one of your communes, but not from me. By the same token, when I decide to help other people, I do not expect any help in the future from them. I will accept help, and give it, on the basis on Christian righteousness, not with the expectation for future reward or some kind of "social contract" such as in a commune.

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>>135802731
>ancap: racist

Lemme guess, this chart came from Reddit?

>>135830564
1st. all you're saying is that you want YOUR OWN communes. that's it. 'nuff said. nobody's gonna come beating down your fucking door or take away your shit. You don't want to help fine. You be the grasshopper, we'll be the ants. No Problem.
2nd YES! That's what anarchism is about common sense and frugality. now you're getting it.
3rd you're conflating the issue, anon. calm down. what you're describing is exactly WHY the commune works. problems get solved. you see a child fallin down you just going to walk around them? NO. you're natural instinct is to pick the child up and check for their needs. Natural Law is Universal.
I'm not even sure what (if any) argument there even is here; but it looks like you got it pretty figured out, honorary "anarchist". *bow*

All true anarchism collapses eventually into either capitalism or tyranny, for if there are truly no rulers, there is nobody to ban capitalistic acts between consenting adults.

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>>135828175
We never were liberals though

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>>135831322
>all you're saying is that you want YOUR OWN communes
If a "commune" has private property, money, and capitalism, then sure, I want my own capitalist communes.

>That's what anarchism is about common sense and frugality
So then there'd be no reason for me to worry about getting into hard times. After all, that's half the reason I'd store and refrigerate the food, instead of just handing it out to the collective.

>you're natural instinct is to pick the child up and check for their needs
Sure. But I do not expect any future help from that child. If I never see that child again, that's fine with me.

>but it looks like you got it pretty figured out, honorary "anarchist"
Well I mean, you're basically an anarcho-communist who's arguing for anarcho-capitalism, so we're pretty much on the same side I guess.

>>135802731
>Is this a proper way to differentiate anarchists from "anarchists"?
Yea, not all of the yellow ones get gassed.

>>135831045
>anarcho-pacifism
Didn't know that one. Is there one for war? Like some perpetual war against each others, kinda like what the Orks have.

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>>135802861
Ancap is the stupidiest ideology because it is self defeating. You need a state to begin with to enforce private property rights.

>>135832920
Individuals enforce property rights with violence, which is literally all the state does.

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>>135832920
>implying you can't defend your own property

>>135806289
>the rules are common sense and universal to all humans
you know, except for sub-saharan <70 iq NIGGERS

>>135804462
>when you're still stuck in the cold war and don't realize that what you're shitting on is what we call keynesianism today

I think it's a silly bit of gay ass chauvinism on the part of lefties to bother saying "AnCaps aren't anarchists reeeeee"
They believe in no government. "Anarchy" was just considered a state of chaos that arises with no King back before people started calling themselves "anarchists".

Should lefties have monopoly on the term "terrorist" as well?
>hurr you didn't blow up nobles or banks that's not propaganda of the deed gtfo non-terrorists

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>>135833044
Look at history. This is why the police came to be, to protect private property and shut down labor unions. Without a state and police force the workers would simply seize the private property. It's entirely self-defeating.

>>135828175

>>135806416
>it has all the normal aspects of socialism
lol wut?

>>135831492
excpet the mobs of people who got fucked over and physically remove the unfair "capitalists", or simply refuse to deal with them entirely.
>>135831549
again, he's bitching about "capitalism" only because it gets exploited and leads to tyranny (kikery).
>>135831815
1st. if you want to treat your little piece of land like a "business" that's fine. but if there's noone else around who meets your standards of "trading partner' you'll have to deal with that reality. basically your a homesteader then. good luck. ;)
2nd. *sigh* again you conflate the issue. you hand out what you can contribute and recieve back as well, why is this point so difficult fo you to grasp? symbiotic give AND take. like a penny tray. have a penny? leave a penny. NEED a penny? take a penny. real. fucking. simple.
I never said that there wouldn't be any surplus or storage of said surplus. everyone helps to manage the ebb and flow. season to season. been doin' it for a LONG TIME.
3rd. you're missing the point, anon. You're like a guy who reads an aseop fable and gets hung up on "why are animals talking" and "how can a pig learn to talk to a sheep" instead of focusing on the moral of the example set forth.
4th I'm an "anarchist" period. there is no anarcho-communism nor anarcho-capitalism, It doesn't exist in and of itself. I meerly described, tribal human commualism that's existed naturally, since the dawn of man. It's how familys work dude, the non-dysfunctional ones at least. Trading tokens or keeping a ledger of materials, or using a "blockchain" it's all the same shit. Y'all getting hung up on the most miniscule shit and arguing just to argue. It's no wonder there are hooded rabble throwing m80's at ya. Can't have a fucking conversation with getting shit on. Even with "race" and "gender" and "location" being factored out. I'm just a man like you dude. I'd rather not be your enemy, so don't make me into one.

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>>135802731
Tell me more ancombro.

>>135833395
see
>>135833505
It's not that ancaps don't believe in a stateless society, it's just that in a stateless society capitalism will collapse. It's just not a valid ideology.

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>>135833505
>Without a state and police force the workers would simply seize the private property
They can try.

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>>135833846
And they will and then you'll have ancom society.

WTF I love ancap now

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>>135833674
>but if there's noone else around who meets your standards of "trading partner' you'll have to deal with that reality
I don't have standards other than "hey, are you willing to give me money for what I produce" or "are you willing to sell me this for this amount of money". As long as there are people who will want what I have more than I do I'll have someone to trade with.

>have a penny? leave a penny. NEED a penny? take a penny.
I think I'd prefer just keeping my pennies, that way I don't have to rely on the goodwill of others when I need a penny.

>>135833707
Oh, I fully agree that it wouldn't be functional, at all.
But it's still just wank to say it don't real.
I mean I imagine a capitalist equivalent to when a King would die and the lords would slaughter each other for a few years til one won, only there wouldn't be winning, it'd just be a chaotic failed state forever.

Hmm, I don't think capitalism would necessarily collapse without a government though I really don't understand who's supposed to be defining the value of money?

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>>135834083
>implying a minority of unarmed commies is gonna beat the majority of well armed capitalists
Good luck with that.

>>135805569
>free territories of Ukraine
>Paris commune
>CNT-FAI
all are instances of anarchy with some kind of socialism in place and were all pretty lit ass places to live at the time and would've continued to be fucking lit if it wasn't for statefags ruining everyone's fun.

>>135802945
Ill take the bait. Isn't anarchism the idea that man doesn't need imposed rules? And isn't capitalism the same idea, but posed economically?

>>135834401
I don't think the Spanish ones were as good or as likely to last as the Paris commune may have, but I do need to read more about both.

>>135803394
Anarchism goes back to Bakunin. It was always against wealth and privilege. Since the state is the main enforcer of wealth and privilege, anarchism is against the state too.

Anarcho-capitalism was invented much more recently by people who did not come out of the main branch of anarchist thought.

Read Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, and Berkman before you tell us more about what anarchism is and is not.

>>135834288
???
After working in factories with abysmal conditions and earning pennies for wages, the majority of people would become communist (just like in almost every fucking communist country)

>>135834503
Anarchy is life without government or rules, anarchism means "no rulers" meaning no hierarchy.

>>135802731
>anti-capitalist
>market economy

nigga what?

>>135834728
Communist or some version of the far-right (which may or may not be a socialist variant)

>>135834569
Didn't the Paris commune just last a month? And the CNT lasted around 3 years, same as the Ukraine.

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>>135834728
>just like in almost every fucking communist country
Just like in every unarmed 3rd world country, you mean.

>>135834796
Capitalist being the class of people that are just investors and don't actually do physical labor. It'd be businesses run by workers who share the income equally

>>135834288
The amount of capitalists you need to run a factory is one. The amount of workers you need to run the factory is hundreds, you do the math.

Also, without the hired goons and thugs of police capitalism would collapse in ancapistan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_violence_in_the_United_States#19th_Century

>>135835018
I was thinking of the autonomous regions that popped up during the Civil War, whoops

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>>135802731
>Is this a proper way to differentiate anarchists from "anarchists"?

The one's being thrown from my helicopter are the bad ones.

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>>135834733
Not exactly, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YitdjMORoU

>>135802731
Why did the black flip with the anarcho-communism flag?

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>>135802731
If I wanted to debate communists I would. I don't though so, into the bin this goes and helicopter rides for everyone.

>Captcha was helicopter

>>135835050
the countries were 3rd world before they became socialist, and the Bolsheviks fixed the fuck out of Russia, not to mention that a lot of socialist governments in shitty 3rd world countries are very authoritarian, which as I'm sure we can both agree on will always corrupt someone.
Just to clarify I'm a mutualist, I still think there should be markets and I hate the USSR and DPRK just as much as anyone without autism does.

>>135835109
>It'd be businesses run by workers who share the income equally
>income

so there would be capital

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>>135835128
>The amount of workers you need to run the factory is hundreds
Actually with automation that number has gone way down, and just wait until we get warbots and the capitalists won't even need to worry about their security force turning on them.

>>135834659
Anarchism goes back to Proudhon, who hated communism, and his true successors were individualist anarchists, doesn't it?
They loved wealth and natural privilege.

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>>135835477
>the countries were 3rd world before they became socialist
I know, I'm just saying that you're not gonna have a non-shithole like the USA suddenly embrace communism if the government collapses. They've got little reason to embrace it.

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>>135835476
Looks like the ancap baby is all out of arguments
>Huh----HELICOPTERS
Kek stay BTFO

>>135835522
So then you have fewer employed workers and a handful of starving unemployed workers all the while the rich capitalist is living like a king.
>Kill everyone who doesn't own private property
This is how psychopathic ancaps truly are. Funny thing is you're also probably just a regular prole defending capitalists for no good reason.

>>135836041
you're probably posting this from a phone at the moment, aren't you

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>>135836041
>So then you have fewer employed workers and a handful of starving unemployed workers
They can form a business or coop if they wish.

>>135802731
Non-capitalistic anarchism is a fantasy world that never could exist. AnCap is at least possible, although, I don't think it would be that great and the the tendency toward state organization would always exist but it is possible. Anarcho-communism, is an absolute joke and I say this is an ex-commie.

>>135835510
Yes, but not capitalists. Capitalism to the socialists means rule by the capitalists, usually, not "people use a thing to stand in for value"

>>135836309
as*

>>135835651
>"We did it guys, we've finally over threw the government! Now what?"
>"Instead of doing what was done before to make most of the western world (the globe desu) a complete shit house, let's agree that sharing is caring but let's also have some markets, also no one can tell anyone what to do"
>"Sounds like a plan!"
And so, the anarcho mutualist free territories of America was born, and everyone was united with the fruits of their labor and stayed past their bedtime.

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>>135836473
Sure, some people might do that, but a lot of people are gonna disagree. There will be some coops and communes, but there will also be a lot of private enterprises.

>>135835277
So... rather than "without rulers" it's "without unnecessary rulers with too many special privileges"?
I mean obviously the ideology's more complex but I'm just trying to compress it to a sentence.

What books would you recommend on the subject? I understand Haymarket Publishers is a good source on most things Lefty

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>>135803394
>ancoms however think that communism, which requires a state to redistribute the wealth, is compatible with anarchy, which is the lack of a state.

>implying you wouldn't need a state to enforce property rights

>racist

AnCaps want unlimited immigration for god's sake.

>>135836863
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>>135836863
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>>135833707
Says the kike with an ideology that collapsed under internal contradictions every time it was tried. Anarcho-capitalism evolved from the displays you dinosaurs gave us. If you'd evolved yourselves, you'd have founded paradises in every communist country. They just wouldn't have been communist.

>>135836715
And those folks can kindly move on over to ancapistan, that freely trades with mutualistan and unite together to fight off the statist cucks and prosper together for eternity without masters or kings.

>>135836978
there can't be immigration if there isn't a state to immigrate to

>>135836978
No, they do not. That is propaganda used by globalists to falsely conflate us with them. It's purely a lie. You want to get into ancapistan you'd better be able to afford your own real estate at the least - and it's not the moneyed immigrants people bitch about, but the broke criminal asshole immigrants.

>>135837071
what an aesthetically displeasing idea

>>135833505
right, they were instituted to enforce the will of oligarchs against "whom the fuck ever", even against each other if need be. Legalized gangz is all it is.
>>135833064
The nigger-mind has been coddled for far too long. We tried and failed, Simple as that. make a correction and move on. If you want to be humanitarian about it, it's actually cheaper to move them to some african region and tell the local govm'nt there that they'll get gibsmedats for taking them off our hands, fuck we do it in MI with canadian garbage; leafs PAY US to bury THEIR garbage. Same fucking thing. Tell the nigs here that their 'job" is to educate thier fellow country men. They're all child like and will sort it out amongst themselves. the end.
>>135834168
>I don't have standards
then proceed to tell what your standards ARE. BAKA.
Why do you think you need to bother trading tokens of percieved value back and forth?
>I think I'd prefer just keeping my pennies, that way I don't have to rely on the goodwill of others when I need a penny.
you assume that the communal tray will be empty. that nobody would notice it and say "hey I got some extra I'll put in the tray".
Not really making an argument against what I'm talking about. But that's fine. Don't worry about it. I'm not.
>>135834221
>when a King would die and the lords would slaughter each other for a few years
Lords didn't do shit, it was all the goons and hopeless fools that were promised something IF they succeded, and IF they lived to collect and IF the Lord was actually gonna pay up like he said. (By whatever definition that was, depending on the shill, shilling it)
>I really don't understand who's supposed to be defining the value of money?
which is why it's actually worthless and a waste of time to deal with, and causes nothing but problems eventually.

>>135837291
Fuck off with your joke of an ideology, can't decide if nazism or communism is edgier so you
picks the middle ground, piss off

>>135806289
if someone is dictating rules to you, who is that person and how is that anarchy?

>>135802731
All anarchists belong concentrated in camps.

>>135806570
>A lack of government is exactly what would allow identity to crumble in the first place.
if your identity is based around some state, you should kill yourself

>>135836719
Anarchism as a political theory that also advocates for the abolition of private property.

Proudhon was the first to call himself an anarchist so you could start there. Read the works of the Russian anarchists Bakunin and Kropotkin like The Conquest of Bread. Bookchin is also good.

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>>135837071
Ancapistan will be within the "Mutualist Free Territories of America", there's no borders or police to kick them out, so they'll be setting up shop right next to you.

>>135802731
All anarchism is short-sighted. People will naturally make powerful allies, establish group motives, create and fund organizations that keep them safe (military, security, police etc.) and if the common folk get benefits from these things, they will be taxed for the services.

Create anarchism and the natural conclusion of it will always lead back to government.

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When the only form of anarchism that is actually realistic is one of the most jokes about.

>>135802731
No. Anarcho-primitivism is the only useful one, and even it has its problems.

>>135837794
Fuck you catch this molotov then nigga

>>135837465
This post is rude.

>>135835109
capital is meerly resources (raw materials and access to those materials) and the means to process them (tools, machinery). Labor (skill, ablility, knowledge) is what is needed. for example:
I got a lawnmower (capital) and my neighbor doesn't and need to cut his lawn. It's in my interest for him to have a cut lawn, but he can't do it with out my capital, I provide the mower (invest in his labor) and he cuts it (produces a cut lawn) and I reclaim my mower (initial investment) plus i now have the benefit of a neighbor with a cut lawn (he benefits as well).
make sense?
I could also say: I have mower and time and ability (capital venture) and proceed to cut his lawn while I'm cutting mine. (investment in future gains of goodwill and possibly a risk of reward) securing a cut lawn for both myself and my neighbor ( which I also benefit from. )

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>>135837866
I'll be packing much more than molotovs

>>135837465
>>135837866
damn you sure are angry on the internet

>>135806416
Marxist socialism is based around class struggle while National Socialism is based around national and racial struggles. NatSoc isn't about making everyone poor it's about making everyone united under history, race, and culture.

>>135838033
But it's done with the understanding the the neighbor will also provide you with use of his goods and services if you need it

Otherwise you're just being a lawn cuck

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>>135837465
Bannon is Nazbol.

We're going to create Juche for white people. Prepare your anus.

>>135838214
first one was the truth and the second one was a half joke. Also hang yourself libcuck you people give the left a bad name with idpol
>>135838127
Your citizens will eventually realize how exploitative and stupid your system is and defect to us

>>135838360
He's rude, don't respond except to tell him he's being rude

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>>135838360

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>>135838481
>he's taking the joke flags this seriously
slow your roll there homeslice you might break a hip

>>135838481
>first one was the truth
Excuse me friend but it was not

>>135838496
I'm only rude because of what you did to the Black Army, that was very rude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPpuSo2txU

>>135830678
from some anarchist forum

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>>135838481
Your citizens will eventually realize how exploitative and stupid your system is and defect to us

>>135838716
That was not me, and was not NazBols, either.
NazBols sat in Germany at that time, smelling their own farts over how much more enlightened they were than SPD, KPD and NSDAP

NO. ACTUAL WILLING ANARCHISM WILL NEVER BE A THING YOU TURDOMUNCHERS.

PEOPLE WILL NATURALLY MAKE POWERFUL ALLIES AND SEE TO THEIR INTERESTS.

>>135802731
anarchism is about having no centralized power you dumb commie

>>135838597
>implying I'm upset based on the fact that I used too many bad words
>>135838622
Yes it was no one take NazBols seriously they're a meme
>>135838801
>"no u xdd"
>>135838903
same shit different asshole, statists in general get the bullet

What about the people who just want to blow shit up and don't care about the money or politics of it? Like you want to blow up buildings because you think they're too tall.

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>>135839208
>im not mad im not madIM NOT MAD

If it takes a totalitarian single-party state and a massive police force to enforce your anarchism, how can you call it anarchism with a straight face?

>>135802731
>anarchism
ah, i was also 15 years old. so cute.

you'll realize soon that humans are not ants, we cant be communistic. we all need a carrot and a stick to get shit done

>>135839208
>no one take NazBols seriously
Yes, and then WWII, Cold War, and the """"War on Terror"""" happen

>>135803394
Because ancaps internalise all of the functions of the state, with each household becoming the bloat of bureaucracy and industry.

Anarchists are basically just the opposite, believing (something like the liberal concept of being born naturally good) that all of the empathetic functions of society can be internalised and the negatives discarded. This can mean temporary organisations, a federation of unions, or spontaneous redevelopment of traditional structures. In some sense they take the concept of communist struggle and apply it to all forms of domination, and that's where you get nihilists.

Ancaps are really just applying usury to anarchism, hoping that enough tax on the state will allow them to buy up all the bureaucracies and turn even more profit.

>>135839480
I don't really understand what you're saying, are you trying to say that WWII the Cold War and war on terror were all wars on NazBols?

>>135839707
No, they're all wars that never would've happened if everybody would've just sat down, thought it over for a few minutes, then went full NazBol

>>135837506
>if someone is dictating rules to you, who is that person and how is that anarchy?
you missed the post. NO PERSON! If it's not a mutual agreement without violent cohersion it's not anarchism. period. The 'Ideal" would be like the smurfs. kinda. wise men you take advice from and learn but YOU are YOUR OWN responsibility first. same as it is right now.
>>135837576
#notallanarchists pfft
>>135837846
you just described a commune dude. and "taxes" is bullshit way of not trusting people to contribute voluntarily. BAKA. how were Islanders able to survive before whitey sailed by? come on now.
>>135838259
I invested to get the result (product). The next product needed / produced is distributed, and so on. I still benefit from his lawn being cut. If he aquires the means of production (owns a mower) then he produces it for himself and I also benefit from his labor. If mine breaks down (until I can repair/replace) he would be wise to use his capital (or loan to me to do as an investment) to cut my lawn to our mutual benefit.

>>135812363
>freedom to sell labour
In other words, anarchists believe that being a cuck for hire means you're less of a cuck. Or not a cuck at all once you pass enough Ziocoins on to Monsanto!

>>135840053
>how were Islanders able to survive before whitey sailed by
Sacrifice to volcano god

bottom line is: you're all bascially anarchists right now on this board, wether you realize it or not. this board is "anarchist" and the participants in it's various forums are engaged in a form of "anarchy". I'm really not sure how else I can lay this out for you. You've seen the threads that happen, so you can figure out how and when the "mods" make adjustments to filter out naughty things like CP and create boards like /pol (to meet "market demand" for a "need") and /bant. the guy who made this (From his ability) gave public access and expects a certain "code of conduct" and fixes problems and makes new containment boards (To those in need).
see?
"Anarchy"?
'You're SOAKING IN IT"!
That's been my /rant for the evening thank you all for your time, be sure to drop a penny in the tray on your way out. GOOD NIGHT!

Ancaps: Stalin would have been awesome if he had hired Goldman Sachs as his advisors. Double-awesome if you had to throw coins into a child's mouth before boiling them.

>libertarian socialism
>individualist communism

>>135840687
Anarchy is LITERALLY 4chan for mayor

Now, how do we deal with the fact that most of those who want to implement anarchy are cucked fags whose "little adjustments" would be banning "hate speech", forcing us to pretend trannies are wombyn, making us ask "please" before every thrust during a sex act, and shoehorning niggers into everything?

>>135818577
How backwards can one person be?
You literally have this completely opposite to reality. It is the ancaps who believe that the state is merely its government and the individuals who work there. Leftists, for all their faults, attempt to look into the deeper structures which make up the state, and how the state is a separate, often diffuse, function of political rule. Governments are just an overt political system within the state, which ancaps believe can be privatised to magically solve the problems of the state.

They are literally just half-assed anarchists or, more commonly, marxists.

CUZ WE WUZ ECONAMISS N SHEIT!

>>135834503
yes, but capitalism is evil and thus it must be crushed or something

>>135802731
Wew, this shit is as about as retarded as "agnostic atheist". Just stringing words together that don't make sense together in an attempt to create some sort of snowflake ideology.

>CORPORATIONS ARE TYRANNICAL CUZ THEY WON'T PAY MY WELFARE
>ALSO DEY RAYCISS

fuck off m8, forcing people to hand over their money so that everybody gets their "fair" share is not anarchy

>>135841255
well, the technology behind it is open and available for one. so you could for your own collective (chan) and go from there, exercising responsibility for the content and perhaps finding a filtering solution that's applicable.
Maybe the mods want this content on here to rustle jimmys like yours? *shrug*
perhaps a concerted sage campaign?
appeal to mod authority?
shut it down?

>>135818579
Not that complex. The potatoes would be distributed by the union to another area that needs it, made into vodka, donated to an allied nation, etc.

Pretty simple to think through for even non-communists.

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>>135804147
>>135804597
You aren't good at bait.

>>135841689
So just start a racist commune and kick the weirdos out.

tiwib desu. Why does the far left never think to reach out to the socialist-leaning parts of the nationalist movements?

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Authoritarian collectivism at this point is just fundamentally and profoundly retarded. A more stringent and abusive central government is not going to solve the problems western society is currently wrangling with. You people are too fucking myopic and impressionable for your own good.

>>135842056
>So just start a racist commune and kick the weirdos out.
same as any other cult, ever. LOL. excpet cheeper and probably easier to maintain. in theory.

Primitivism does nothing wrong

The world needs to become beautiful once again. We should live in overgrown ruins

>>135819612
Because exchanging hypothetical gold while skimming off little bits for yourself isn't a Jewish concept.

>>135828393
Anarchists left capitalists alone, they just would not have access to the commons (essentially any service or union-distributed surplus).

>>135838592
i think nazbol gang may be the worst thing we've acquired from the leftypol raids

>>135835277
would you faggots stop redefining everything and think of your own terms for once? the fact you're so hopelessly uncreative is probably what led you to believe in the communism meme in the first place.

>>135842294
Tbh I've long imagined everything just going hyper-segregationist in the event that any sort of communism/anarchism won out, as long as it wasn't some massive state communism run by angery resentiment-fueled blue hairs and problem negroes.

The division of the far-left and nationalism is fking redundant.

>>135842468
ever heard of "earthships"?
https://earthship.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship
https://www.ecowatch.com/40-incredible-photos-show-why-earthships-make-the-perfect-home-1882045152.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efI77fzBgvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0leds8YBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGFc_NxDrc
The Garbage Warrior - Michael Reynolds - Earthship Biotecture

>>135842981
> massive state communism run by angery resentiment-fueled blue hairs and problem negroes.
there's a new web-series that needs to be made.
like the current year's version of that movie "Brazil". *shudder*

>>135842951
And it's rudeness again

Anarchism is something of a rejection of the nature of the conglomeration of humans. The state essentially functions as an organism composed of its citizens, with the theoretical ideal of efficiency, similarly to the biological organs. Anarchism attempts to restructure the form of the state, calling the rose by another name. In the case of social anarchism, collective democracy in political and economic decision-making is something of an attempt to de-monopolize the centralised authority of the state, only to validate the opinions of the mobs. Alternatively, anarchist capitalists desire to do what social anarchists desire, but with money. The state is just a collection of goods and services sold to the highest bidder, unrealistically hinged on the notion that all shall fall in accordance to certain values without the need for coercion.

>>135802945
It's not an argument, it's a statement. Kill yourself.

>>135802731
>meme author and OP are both FAGGOTS
>retarded shit

>>135833395
Anarchism means 'without rulers'. The important difference here is that in the modern era rulers tend to not just be functionaries of the state - rule has effectively escaped its traditional territory and functions in a manner that many do not even realise.

In a more nihilistic sense you could say that authority has runaway with itself and the fact that the rate of change exceeds the grasp of most people (future shock) makes anarchism a natural part of such a destructive society. I don't think there are any anarchists who realise this, but they are effectively a loyal opposition. As extreme liberals they continue to rebel against the remaining monarchist structures in society. And the reality is that (I know all the Natsoc alphas here will disagree with this) an opposition needs to be allowed to exist.

At the very least, this shows a level of true authority in that one will not stamp out all those in disagreement with cruelty. But what anarchists offer is not just opposition, but a reminder of the fine line between protest, free speech, and the riot; an opportunity to form opposition against traditions or structures which are no longer necessary (after all, liberalism is opposed to monarchism and traditional hierarchies of domination as well); an opportunity for destructiveness which will not be blamed on the state; and an extremity which quickly brings the gestalt of opposition into open rumour.

Chaos is really the natural state of the modern world (I know, you think you revitalised Kek through collective will alone, but even if that were true it was a chaotic mess). And having an apparent enemy representing chaos is the perfect situation for rulers today. People believe that chaos is at once order and disorder, an ally and an enemy, their personal interest and the other interest which they must overcome. Structured chaos is the perfect ideology for a society that feeds on itself and must destroy everything in its path just to claim ownership of it.

>>135802731
>Individualist Communism
It's a meme 100% nobody could believe in something so illogical.

>>135802731
They're all retarded so it makes no difference

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>>135819056
>the only way they fail is if they get sabotaged.
As a child, were you raised to believe that anytime you lost a game it was because the other player cheated?

AP seems based

>>135835510
>Capital and income are literally the same
wew
[spoiler] inb4 not an argument. Capital generates passive income [/spoiler]

>>135802945
How can a nongovernmental ly regulated trade be against anarchism yet forced property distribution is A O K?

>Nationalism+Mutalism= National Mutualism?
Does national mutualism exist?

>>135836244
Not if they don't already have capital

>>135847287
no, of course not. I played enough games with cheaters to spot them out and know it's better to either not play with them or have them removed since they will not under ANY circumstances play by the established "rules of conduct".

>>135848657
I get dropped in the forest. no capital. how do I survive?
the people on the "mayflower" came here with no capitol, how did THEY survive?

>>135819056
>I'ts the individual worker who chooses to be exploited by an "employer" rather than strive to accomplish alongside like-minded individuals for mutual benefit

You clearly haven't been in a group project in school. Protip: most people are lazy and mooches. There's never a group of people with equal skill putting in equal effort. Essentially 10% of the people carry the other 90%.

>>135849040
by exploiting minorities which you are against so what the fuck

>>135849390
yes i have. plenty. and i'm not disagreeing with you point. I deal with that kinda shit ALL the time. And it doesn't matter if I get a paycheck or not, because it turns out exactly the same. so the money is beside the point. you couldn't pay me enough money to put up with that bullshit again. even in school, even in college, even in work. FUCK THAT!
>>135849463
listen to you "exploiting minorities". ok so now cry harder about the kikes exploiting "hard working white men" and fucking them out of pensions and shit. come ON now. *sigh*

>>135802945
kys nigger

If I need a state to enforce my property rights, what is the AK sitting on my lap right now for?

>>135850587
Getting your dog killed by ATF.

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>>135849040
>the people on the "mayflower" came here with no capitol, how did THEY survive?
Communism, by working together. Communism, not capitalism is human nature

>>135802731
Anarcho-fascism/monarchism is the final redpill.

"The anarch is to the anarchist, what the monarch is to the monarchist."

>>135850903
It would take someone that attended a federal school to post a picture as ignorant of history as this.

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There is only anarchy.

>>135849849
>ok so now cry harder about the kikes exploiting "hard working white men" and fucking them out of pensions and shit. come ON now. *sigh*
>he still doesnt know about bitcoin
lmao

>>135851105
Not an argument lol

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All "anarchism" is contradictory hypocritical bullshit, but ancaps are SLIGHTLY less stupid than syndicalists because the idea that private economic relationships are entirely voluntary theoretically makes sense. Realistically they're not, but you can see how the individualism and flow-chart like method of applying the NAP to real-world situations could appeal to political autists.

"Anarcho"Syndicalism is so obviously contradictory and stupid, I honestly don't understand how people can even see it as "anarchistic" when the plan is basically to take the state and replace it with The Worker's People's Commune That Does All the Things the State Used to Do but Now Everyone Magically Agrees With Everything It Does and Totally Isn't the State Now

>>135802731
not all anarchists

>>135802731
They're all equally fucking retarded.

>>135814556
Don't forget the pedophiles and junkies.

>>135803394
>which requires a state to redistribute the wealth
Read a fucking book you cunt. AnComs believe in voluntary cooperation. No wealth, just the sharing of resources (not capital) within a tribe/commune.

>>135852999
except when confronted with the question of "what 'happens when someone has something the 'commune' wants and isn't willing to share" comes up AnComs inevitably revert to "UH, THEN WE'LL JUST STEAL IT BY FORCE BECAUSE HE CAN'T STOP US HAHAHA!"
>>135818579

>>135853837
dats right whiteboi, and what are u gon do about it?

>m-muh NAP

hahahahhahahaha

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>>135802731
ANCRUX REPORTING IN

>>135827602

I want to give her a hug, and help her escape from the police, and stop her suicide... Help her start over, and give her the love that those shallow classmates never did... Teach her to channel her rage in a sexual manner as my Dominatrix. She is the real victim here. They bullied her one too many times. I see no wedding ring on her finger, I'd marry her... If only she did that to a school full of niggers instead.

>>135802731
>Libertarian Socialism
???????

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>>135802731

who cares they're all fucking retards

>>135803394
>tell me which is the retarded one
Both

If you haven't grown out of anarchism by age 19 you're fucking retard. Anarchism in all its forms is literally the edgy kid who hates everyone ideology

>>135830393
He looks like such a weeny and even, though that caricature is kind of teenage edgelord looking, it's easier to take him seriously as a man with when not actually looking at an accurate representative of his weak face

>>135804199
To be fair there was an anarchist army once during the Russian civil war who spent all their time running around burning villages raping and looting and living in palaces/churches they took over just because "fuck you we can and nobody can tell us we can't" (until the red army came and put them down) roaming around aimlessly with absolutely no direction taking out your anger on random defenseless shit. That's what anarchy looks like

>>135806289
>anything being universal to all humans
This is where you fail

>>135855930
no it literally is NOT what "anarchy looks like" nice try kid. that's what barbarians and mongols and various stormtroopers did as well. and it's the farthest thing from anarchy.

>>135856107
not quite.
just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean they don't exist.

>>135856233
Only thing universal to all humans is they can be killed in the same way

I fucking hate post election /pol/

We went from trying to spread NatSoc to seriously entertaining the idea that any form of anarchoretardarion might actually work

>>135802861
Fpbp

But seriously, anarchism is a foolish pipe dream in general because not everyone is equal or thinks the same. In an "anarchist" society, there is no centralised authority to disallow the pursuit of capital if you want, it's actually inherently impossible for a large scale anarchist communist society to exist because you need everyone on the same page ideologically and to deny people their right to self actualisation you need some kind of authority to prevent it, and that only really leaves violence.

>>135856338
and they have to live in the same way as well. get sick, etc.etc. don't be dense.
>>135856448
what's the matter? you got kiked, your meme president is a mascot for the jewish mafia (should'a voted for ronald mcdonald), and yes, now the left has become the monster that they fought, and "nat-soc" has yet to make sense, let alone define it's own ideology properly. you're going to have to either adapt to this environment or up your game son. me, I win either way. make the world a better place, or watch it all burn down, with the hope of renewal, like a forest. ;)
protip: that's natural law. forest fires that make way for new growth.

>>135857106
it's a series of small scale co-operatives. you're right, it can't be too big. that lesson has been learned. regonalism will be a thing. an areas that want nat-soc can exist. as long as they keep to their own, when they agress then agressors gonna agress. it's not an all-in-one. you're not thinking ahead, you're looking back. combing the relevant parts that work and discarding the shit that don't.

>>135819056
>they do and they work extremely well when they are scaled properly and don't try to exceed rational logistics. the only way they fail is if they get sabotaged.
So I guess the (((Kibbutzim))) were sabotaged then, even though they needed government aid to work, and their future generations decollectivized and adopted currencies.

>>135857642
So basically a barter economy with co-operators instead of family or individuals. As has been proven, people still prefer money, possessions, and privacy over bartering shared goods.

>>135802731
This thread = anarcho communists BTFO but keep arguing anyway because that's what they do even when they get proven wrong time and time again

>>135857376
Actually you're wrong there. Different people are prone to different diseases/problems etc

>>135859331
There's no autists like this other than the ilk of Obama Fucking Leaf.

>>135858728
why not mix and match when appropriate. why does it have to be an all or nothing thing??
>>135858134
I wouldn't know off the top of my head, i'm not a kike and never lived ina (((kibbutz))) so, yeah, knowing what i know about kikes, it would not suprise me to find out they sabotaged themselves, just like they let "6million" die to secure their paletine land grab. ;)
>>135859550
that's why in anarchism you adapt to the situation and conditions. DUH. you think i'm some kind of drone that only percieves reality in 1 way? pfft. let me know when Hitler's ghost signals the 4th reich, comrade. ;)