Name 1 thing that Stalin did wrong. >Defended his country

>>135763403
>Holodomor
I remember learning about that during school and when I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state instead of starving themselves to death everyone looked at me like like I was retarded and it's stuck with me all these years.

>>135763762
Don't you know?
You must oppose evil governments unless they are our allies.

>Annexed new territory to ensure the security of the nation
You are retarted.
>Brought back traditional values that Lenin tried to eliminate (outlawed homosexuality, allowed a limited amount of religion, etc)
You are retarted.
>Sent all the undesirables and shitskins to the gulag
Physically eliminated all of his (potential) enemies. That is a sign of a great leader. He fucked over people who whorshiped him.
>Increased the living standard of the average soviet citizen x10 if not more as well as 100% literacy
Tbf the living standarts were pretty low in the 1920s. WW1 was a catastrophy.
>I remember learning about that during school and when I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state instead of starving themselves to death everyone looked at me like like I was retarded and it's stuck with me all these years.
How did they not think of that.I guess they were pretty stupid, lol!
>There is absolutely no proof of stalin was going to invade Europe
Yeah, I guess Hittler opened a new front because he was stupid. Jeez, if only there was a 14 year old edgelord to tell him winters in Russia are harsh.

>>135763403
>because they were punished for it

So in other words, the government starved people?

Good job proving yourself wrong retard.

>>135765787
>>135765973
>So in other words, the government starved people?
people exist to starve for their government

>>135765973
Yes, just like Americans were punished for dodging the draft for example.
If your actions endanger the existence of the nation you will be generally punished in any country.

He didn't kill all of the Russians.

>>135763403
Let's see:
Oppressed his own people, killed dissidents, people that wanted freedom from his grip and anyone that dared to speak negatively of him, was a massive fucking hypocrite, a liar, and all around the whole soviet union was like a huge prison with cheap propaganda speakers around every corner with only a small percentage of people believing in this shit ideology whole thing either just shrugged it off and try to love to their best extent.

>>135766406
No, it's not just like that. There is a spectrum of evil governments. 1930s USSR and 1960s USA are not comparable in the evil they've done to the world.

>>135763403
Also, I sincerely fucking hope every single commie that exists dies. They are massive hypocrite, blind to reality and if to be honest, they are leeches on they working class they oh so "desperately" want to "help".

>>135763403
I take it you don't accept anything described in the gulag archipelago as fact then. Stalin was insanely paranoid of his own people. He saw enemies everywhere, persecuted thought crimes, and raped the concept of innocent until proven guilty to death. Don't forget the tribunals that operated without oversize and controls from any official government departments.
Stalin was a piece of shit who cause the collapse of his own country. Once the filthy commies uprooted the bourgeois, they mercilessly attacked the upper tier of workers. Scores of engineers and land owning farmers were swallowed up by the system. All accused of "wrecking.". One by one, they discover each class that they considered higher then themselves. Them they started to capitalize and attack their fellow comrades. With all sincerity, get the Fuck out of here win that shit. For all the shit the world gives Hitler, Stalin was millions of times worse.

>>135767079
It was necessary for the industrialization that was vital to the survival of the state.
Sometimes you must sacrifice to ensure that your children have a country in the future.

Also, I sincerely fucking hope every single commie that exists dies. They are massive hypocrite, blind to reality and if to be honest, they are leeches on they working class they oh so "desperately" want to "help".

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>>135763403

>>135767585
Fucking phone auto-correct....

>>135763403
>Defended his country against invading barbarians
>his country

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>>135763403
Continued breathing after he was born

>>135767595
You want to sacrifice shit? How about I sacrifice your dirty lying fucking ass to Satan you fucking dipshit leech.
The only thing commies do is pretend to help the working class, while just sitting on their ass all day and be "part of the party effort comrade" while leeching off of the people's work, basically demoting everyone to the pleb class while they become the new elite class they pretend to fight.
Commies deserve no mercy, because they won't give you any if it was the opposite situation.

>>135763403
Was expelled from Tbilisi seminary for being a retard.

>>135767766
>>135768038
>ran out of arguments so resorting to memes and rhetoric
>>135768335
>Commies deserve no mercy, because they won't give you any if it was the opposite situation.
I'm sorry but that's not acceptable in a democratic and tolerant society.

>>135768280
This

>>135768280
Georgia is rightful russian/soviet territory.

>>135763762
>people starved themselves to death

of course the leaf is a fucking commie

>>135768443
You're first post is meme. You commie bastards really did fuck up when you abandoned the Socratic method in favor of critical theory. Go eat a dick and ask yourself why you are such a faggot to learn what I mean.

>>135763403
Being a communist is enough to do everything wrong.

>>135768443
OH fuck off, you're fucking weasels, just like the fucking Muslims. Lying through their teeth, crying victim everytime anyone dares to criticize or see through their lies.

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Stalin was the next best thing to you know who, pol. He opposed them more viciously than any German could. When the USSR began, it was full of them. Stalin massacred everyone, especially them, until his government was full of Stalinmen. He crushed banking in 1/3 of the worlds landmass, opposed the ((West)) and was merciless towards traitors, capitalists, and hardcore leftists like Trotsky. He slaughtered Trotsky and his globalist ilk due to disgust. Stalin may have been a commie, but he ruled like a king. He hated globalism, even though he treated most races equally. The USSR was Russian, and it would stay Russian, with Russian culture, strong men, nuclear families, and undying patriotism for the Motherland. The filthy subhuman socialism in the West today is the poison of Trotsky and Lenin, basically what Stalin did the opposite of. The USSR is so smart that they used Trotsky's incompatible communism to destabilized the West even after their own collapse. The greatest false flag of all time. Stalin is hated by them because he was right. Without him, the USSR did not defeat the west, until now. He did literally nothing wrong.

>>135763403
He killed 9000 trillion ukrainians.

>>135768612
Said who?

>>135765787
>You are retarded
What an amazing argument, OP BTFO, surely he will never recover from this

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His death should be a damn world wide holiday.

>>135766406
>Yes, just like Americans were punished for dodging the draft for example.

No one was starved to death for dadging the draft. You just said that Stalin didnu nuffin while in the same sentence claimed he was punishing them. Thats how retarded you are anon.

I shouldnt be surprised considering the low IQ required to actually shill for a failed meme of an ideology that is gommunism

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>>135767079
>>135767575
>>135767701
>>135768335
>>135768944
Good job, shlomo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>135769755
You get send to jail for it.
>attempt to sabotage the nation
>some starve
>the rest get sent to jail for doing it
Somehow Stalin is the one in the wrong here.

>>135769551

fun fact: the first person in the west to hear of his death, including before most of Russia, was an american airman stationed in Germany who was monitoring radio chatter from soviets. That Airman was Johnny Cash

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>>135770093
>You get send to jail for it.

yeah, which isnt starvation. Yeah! your little pea brain is finally on the verge of learning!

>>some starve

7 million people, due to direct action of the government, as you yourself stated. Seriously, how fucking stupid are you to claim the government dindu nuffin and in the SAME SENTENCE claim the government was punishing people?

>>135763403
>1 thing

Falling for the "Sea Lion" gambit of Hitler and the OKW. Watutin, Timoshenko, even Zhukov and many of agency information told him that Germany's army was mounting for a preemptive strike against Stalin's Red Army deployment against Germany since summer 1940.
By March 1941 intel should've convinced Stalin to pursue defensive measures. He didn't order them, he pressed the offensive deployment and hundrets of thousands young Red Army souldiers paid this with their lives and 3 million went into POW internment.

bye lefty

>>135770268
The starvation was not the punishment, they starved due to their own decision to burn the food because they didn't want the government to take it.
>The nation requires food to industrialize so you can get better standards of living in the future and a strong army to defend the motherland
>REEEEE you can't take my food you damn commies *burns crops*
>starves
>wtf Stalin why didn't you help me

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>>135763762
>I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state that already starved millions through forced collectivization
Gulag yourself.

>>135770588

So in other words, Stalin starved 7 million people as punishment for not submitting to his will. Also, the idea that Stalin starved 7 million people is western lies? hahaha got it.

>>135769023
OH wow, Stalin massacred Jews because reasons, he wasn't a total hypocrite for doing that while having a whole party of the country dedicated to Jews exclusively.
Look up Jewish autonomous oblast in Russia.

>>135766406
>If your actions endanger the existence of the nation
But nearly every other country on earth allowed the ownership of private property and pursuit of free enterprise. It clearly wasn't a "threat to the nation" and you're a disingenuous retard if you actually believe the Soviet economic model was anything other than a complete disaster. There's a reason that shithole collapsed and it isn't "muh cabitalist sabotage."

>>135767595
Every other european country industrialized without the bullshit that the soviet union put its own citizens through. You're an imbecile.

>>135771195
>>135771340
Every other nation was not in the state that Russia was in during the early 1900s.
It was literally 50+ years behind in terms of industry, technology, education, etc. The imperial government did not collapse for no reason.

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>>135767079
>>135767575
>>135768335
>>135768944
Wtf I support Israel now.

>>135767079
>>135767575
Based Jew :DD

>>135763403
Marx and Bolsheviks weren't pro-gay either, they just allowed private homosexuality, since how do you punish something that you don't know about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism
>Marx and Engels were personally homo-phobic
Difference is that Stalin punished homosexuals, while Lenin punished only public display of homosexuality.

>>135763403
Didn't save Roosevelt from Churchill and avert a 50 year cold war

>>135771442
It collapses because of because of jewish bolsheviks.

>>135768944
This.

I fucking hate commies. They show no mercy to their foes, yet expect them to be merciful. A shame Batista didn't execute Fidel and the Tsar didn't execute Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin.

>>135763762
It's not like the state was the reason they were starving in the first place or anything.
I mean, who did the Soviet gouvernment truly force to yield all property. I mean come on, they didn't do that. Surely you know this and completely agree.
Come on.
You know it.

>>135770093
>sabotage the nation
Holy shit commies really are fucking pathetic. Is a group of poor farmers who think that your government isn't the best are fucking terrorists trying to assassinate the whole ruling elite?

>>135772479
It was royals who ruined economy and demographics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution
>leading to the overthrow of the Tsar
>was replaced by a Russian Provisional Government under Prince Georgy Lvov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
>The February Revolution had toppled Tsar Nicolas II of Russia, and replaced his government with the Russian Provisional Government. However, the provisional government was weak and riven by internal dissension. It continued to wage World War I, which became increasingly unpopular. A nationwide crisis developed in Russia, affecting social, economic, and political relations. Disorder in industry and transport had intensified, and difficulties in obtaining provisions had increased. Gross industrial production in 1917 had decreased by over 36% from what it had been in 1914. In the autumn, as much as 50% of all enterprises were closed down in the Urals, the Donbas, and other industrial centers, leading to mass unemployment. At the same time, the cost of living increased sharply. Real wages fell about 50% from what they had been in 1913. Russia's national debt in October 1917 had risen to 50 billion rubles. Of this, debts to foreign governments constituted more than 11 billion rubles. The country faced the threat of financial bankruptcy.
>Leon Trotsky who told them "You are pitiful isolated individuals; you are bankrupts

Tsar was betrayed by his own kind who then failed in economy like Tsar and they were removed all-together by new non-monarchy revolution. Russia had many revolutions because of poor conditions.

>>135771442
Russia economy has tripled from 1870s to early 1910s.

>>135773451
Big whoop. There wasn't any going down from the shit the Tsar pulled and anyone with a college degree could've fixed it. If it weren't communist, it would've still industrialized and the economy would've grown, just slower since with commies everyone was a slave to the state.

>>135772775
Yes, even worse they are trying to kill the people and threatening national security by stopping weapon production and industrialization.

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Hope you goyim are enjoying this thread, just remember, it was brought to you by Jews.

>>135773713
>just slower since with commies everyone was a slave to the state
If it was any slower Germany would have won WWII.

>Didn't kill off poles
Weak

>>135773783
OH NO, THE SLAVES DON'T WANT TO BE SLAVES ANYMORE! THAT'S OK, WE HAVE A LOT MORE, KILL THEM!

>>135773979
Or you know, if we had capitalistic democratic monarchy in Russia we could skip the WW2.

>>135773979
>implying you didn't lose because of your volition
What is the west supplying all of your weapons and resources to make your own weapons

>>135773826
>Anglo sources
The eternal Jewish Anglo who wanted Israel for 1000 years is saying who is Jewish.
Now make up your mind now, was religion banned or not. If it was, then no Jews can be in positions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
> Most of the 5,000 synagogues functioning prior to the Bolshevik Revolution were closed under Stalin, and others were closed under Khrushchev. The practice of Judaism became very difficult, intensifying the desire of Jews to leave the Soviet Union.

You got it reverse, American/Anglo lies that Jews are a race have origin after Socialism ended. Nobody though of Jews as race, so we can no label everybody a Jew. Bolsheviks didn't do anything Jewish, they removed synagogues and banned circumcision, unlike USA or England who build Synagogues, enabled circumcision and created Israel, all in name of Jesus.

>>135763403
>put political dissidents in gulag
>not completely fucked up
>similar totalitarian actions as Hitler
>somehow, Nazi's are "barbarians" Soviets aren't
lmao the cognitive dissonance is huge here.

>>135774540
>believing the German pretext of we invaded because communism
They just wanted territory and would have invaded anyways if any extrimist came to power which was pretty much inevitable due to Versailles.
>>135774594
A meme, most of the weapons used by the soviets were soviet made and most of lend lease was sent to the UK.

>>135772836
The Tsar deserves blame for hurting the economy with WWI but it was the democratic regime and the pre-Stalin soviet government that really ran the place into the ground.
>>135773451 Is right, before WWI Russia was industrializing and strengthening, not declining.

>>135775036
Stalin is the man who stole the soviet union from the jews. That is certainly something.
Now of course the KGB-funded subversion in the west included this liberal narrative that soviet totalitarianism was acceptable whereas western one wasn't.

>>135768612
lol, are you fucking retarded? the russians as you know today weren't even bred when the North Caucasian peoples dwelled in their mountains

>>135775036
Monarchy were dictators too, but biggest dictators are democrats, since they pretend they do good, but only create problems and steal money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombs_in_the_Vietnam_War
>By the time the United States ended its Southeast Asian bombing campaigns, the total tonnage of ordnance dropped approximately tripled the totals for World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France
>By the late summer of 1944, soon after the invasion of Normandy, women in Normandy began to complain about rapes by American soldiers.
Hey kiddo, it's just democracy, 5 war per decade, it's democracy, nobody died, btw did you know that Soviets killed 300 million? Here's my American anti-Communist explanation on YouTube.

Stalin was a monster but still better than (((Trotsky))).

>>135775460
The tsar was in the jews' sights since some Alexander I derailed the Rothschilds attempt at creating a NWO by rejecting their central bank and establishing the holy alliance.
They never forgot this and always sought vengeance.

>>135775460
It literally says it wasn't Soviets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
>Russia's national debt in October 1917 had risen to 50 billion rubles.
Next question.

>>135763403
>>135776070
all commies are amoral religious zealots with no regard for human life, emporical evidence, or even good economics

You're the moral equivalent of a neonazi worshipping Hitler

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>>135776521
Do you know what GDP is? That's monetary system of international central banks and their stocks, nothing to do with Soviet Union. What has salary and GDP even got to do with how much you can buy? Lets see a more realistic representation of wealth than GDP nonsense. If you can't buy you have personal debt, now picture related we see who doesn't has money even when they have 20 times higher salary than some others who can buy everything.

>>135763403
Seized power in a country to create a totalitarian regime and fucked his own people in the process.

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>>135776110
After the revolution Russia continued to weaken. You guys lost territory and had massive famines up to at least the 30s, until Stalin's industrialization.

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>>135777048
t. economic illiterate

GDP measures productive output, not income. Household debt measures household debt. On its own it doesn't say shit about either the productive capacity or the income of a country.

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>>135777344
>until

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>>135777344
Ukraine isn't known for fertile grounds, never was, maybe we should look at previous famines before revolution or were they even noticed or name famine? Probably not, kings didn't care about such thing, but we can look life expectancy.
Of course kingcucks will claim everybody lived less because of death births and some hocus pocus, but at same time claim that Soviets didn't improve medical system. So pick now your option: did Soviet improve the system to cause less dead births or not. Maybe it was king's famine.

>>135777525
>GDP measures productive output, not income.
Arguable.
The only thing GDP really measures is the turnover of existing money.

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>>135777909
>Ukraine isn't known for fertile grounds, never was,
>who are the kulaks? don't remember genociding them for being capitalist pigs :^)

>>135777982
>arguable
Not really, especially not when PPP is adjusted for
>measure the turnover
not only does it measure things bought and sold, it also measures things produced

>>135775926
WWI was caused by anarchists assassinating Franz Ferdinand
WWII was caused by Nazis and Soviets invading Poland.
North Vietnamese deaths was 1/16 (6.25%) of population, less than Germany (8%) in WWII, and less than the Soviet Union (12%), and less than Poland (17%).
The Vietnam war killed fewer Americans than the American Civil war did.
Yea sure, democracy clearly kills so many more people and causes all those wars. You sure showed me!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

>>135777525
You are literally retarded. So by your logic the most top bank on this planet produces.
What do they produce? Money? Is printing money and imaginary credits production? All your GDP aggregates to central bank, which means the central bank has the highest GDP. By your logic the boss of Microsoft produces GDP. No, he produces jack shit, he's only the boss. Banks only decide how big GDP is, how much something is valued, maybe they can value your shit to billion dollars, that doesn't makes it more valuable by actual production, it's only more valuable by GDP.

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>>135775926
>>135778428
hey retards
you can't really blame the economic or political system for wars. They're more an expression of the will of the leaders of those countries.

>>135778428
Not to mention it isn't like the Communists had any blame in Vietnam or Korea! It's not like they were fueling the wars with arms or anything!

>>135778223
Lets pick now an option:
a.) Nazis genocided Jews in Ukraine
b.) Ukraine starved to death
c.) Staling deported Ukrainians
d.) they gone to gulag and died there
e.) Stalin killed them directly in Ukraine
f.) it was not Jews who died there, it was Christians
Now pick one option or fuck off.

>>135778408
PPP wasn't adjusted for in your charts but regardless, GDP is usually defined as c+i+g+(x-z), which does not measure production, thus making the turnover of existing money in the economy a more accurate description of GDP.
Add debt growth to that and you get new money.

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>>135778662
You're incoherent, or what you're trying to say is retarded on its face

The central bank doesn't actually produce anything other than money and they certainly don't produce anything of real value. They have a lower GDP than Microsoft

The "boss" of Microsoft actually does contribte to GDP. He is offering a service to the board of directors, who pay him as much as they see fit. And I guarantee you he works twice as hard or even harder than yor average poor single mom McDonalds worker.

Marxist economics is retarded and is trivially debunked via the LTV

>>135779318
Oh i know, lets take that 3 billion worth stocks and wipe my ass with it. That imaginary inflated crap. So we print more money, pull money out of ass, we have more GDP, we just have to exchange those stocks, imaginary plastic into dollars as central bank says.

£1 billion in 1947 had the same buying power as £31 billion in 2017.
$1 billion in 1947 had the same buying power as $13 billion in 2017.

We created so much more, yet we have less money.

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>>135777909
I already stated that the soviets (eventually) improved things Vlad. But life expectancy improves due to industrialization, all those kings you're butthurt at lacked the means to plant and harvest food at the level we because they had not yet reached the level of industrialization you stupid illiterate mong.

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>>135779173
>which does not measure production,
It measures the final market value of all goods and services produced. If a good is produced but not sold, it is accounted for in I and calculated by inventory changes.

>>135779062
Well in any case Ukraine was fertile enough for some serfs to become independent, and Marxist RETARDS (like you) back in the day said "oh hey look they're being way more productive than most other farmers. Let's murder or reassign or gulag them for being capitalist pigs!"

>>135780033
No, life expectancy improves when you send university educated and rich people to gulags, because you burn down their imaginary stocks and GDP houses and take ownership over everything + Soviets urbanized aka created cities. Monarchy only created mansions for themselves and castles, which monarchyfag peasants of today think they lived in 1900.

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>>135779962
>duuuude what is money, it's just, like, paper and shit

>>135763403
He didnt kill enough jews

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>>135780399
>yeah send educated and productive people to gulags
>finance and shit? that stuff is fake lol let's just abolish it
>that'll improve quality of life :^)

>>135780489
Ancaptards: i am against governments, but please central banks of not just my country, but worldly countries unite and govern over me and tell me how much my sammich is worth this year, it was worth 0 dollars, but after 10 years it's worth 100 dollars, my capitalistic brand made it better, when same salami is inside like 10 years ago, GPD retards.

>>135781006
im not an ancap, I don't support the Federal Reserve as it currently exists

good incoherent commie drivel though

>>135780288
>and services
And that's exactly the main problem with GDP, it was created in a ~post WWII time when services took up a very minor part of the economy.
GDP and PPP are still relatively good measures for measuring the economic activity in countries where manufacturing remains the main sector of the economy but they are becoming obsolete very fast in modern countries.
I feel like we have gone off topic and I can't even LARP as a communist anymore but w/e.

>>135780746
>production is revaluating what was already produced
Do those bank GDP retards control time to produce some extra value after the thing was physically already produced? They go back to past and add another slice of salami or what? Somehow oil prices gone up, but the shit is inside the earth for million years, somehow mr. Ancap Shekelberg decided they produced more oil.

Start sageing this thread, can't believe you faggots give these pieces of shit a place to keep talking, especially since we've debunked all of their bullshit a long time ago

>>135781300
>a very minor part
>so let's just not measure it that would be better
are you retarded?

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>>135781323
>dude what are prices
>what is inflation
>GDP is for retards. I prefer to use uhh... debt as a percent of income!
t. economic and English illiterate

>>135781525
That isn't my point, my point is that GDP is inaccurate for measuring the service sector which makes up the majority of the economy in rich countries.

>>135781254
Capitalism produces only if it can sell it, which means you can be top producer and not producing a goddamn thing and no GDP will be coming from your ass, especially not if you are illegal, no taxes from you. Maybe GDP value your illegal drug industry first, so you can see what you missing.

>>135781714
>dude what are prices
Dude what is gold? Is it money? IMF magically decided USA doesn't has enough dollars in circulation, printed bonds and sold them for money to countries who needed dollars. That's what prices are in GDP land, a big scam.

>>135781746
>That isn't my point, my point is that GDP is inaccurate for measuring the service sector
I saw no indication of that in your previous post. In what way is it inaccurate?

>>135781765
that's a good thing. Who cares if I produce 1000 tons of utterly useless garbage? It's not productive unless someone's willing to pay for it.

>>135782002
>what is inflation
>what is real GDP
Jesus christ dude take ECON101

>>135782206
Here you have your "real" GDP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights
>he XDR is the unit of account for the IMF, and is not a currency per se.[2] XDRs instead represent a claim to currency held by IMF member countries for which they may be exchanged.[3] The XDR was created in 1969 to supplement a shortfall of preferred foreign-exchange reserve assets, namely gold and the U.S. dollar.

So to sum up:
a little pleb religious Judean-Christian tard decided that gold should be a stone of higher value than in Communism, so they sold them for money and when they sold them they figured their dumb heads don't have any gold left, so then they just printed an imaginary money and sold it for more dollars so they can buy more gold, which they can sell again.
>WE WUZ PRODUCTION AND SHIIIEET
No, you are just circulating money, you didn't create gold, you didn't dig out gold, you didn't transport gold, you only added your dumb GDP value to gold. Workers do the work, GDP morons don't work, period.

>>135782089
>And that's exactly the main problem with GDP, it was created in a ~post WWII time when services took up a very minor part of the economy.
Take for example financial services which take up a significant portion of the (modern) economy, they are not directly paid for by fees and by extension are difficult to fit into the GDP and while recently economists have started to calculate it via a sort of rate to risk ratio it is a very difficult task to calculate risk accurately.
Also grey/black markets and unpaid services such as a stay at home wife, etc.
It's a measure that was accurate during post WWII times but it is in serious need of reform.

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>>135782739
>Judean-Christian
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>>135783094
Measuring the financial sector is always tricky. I think GDP does an adequte job.

most GDP alternatives aren't very far off, although it's obvious that GDP places a higher weight on finance than GNI or GNP.

>>135782739
incomprehensible

retarded anyway

>>135783871
Meh, I just dislike it as someone with a decent education in econ, it does the job better than most alternative but it does not mean we not strive for something better.
Regarding finance there's also the whole issue of demand generated by debt growth and how you measure that.

>>135763403
Katyn?